*1) OKITA SOUJI ALTER:* Okita Souji is summoned by the Counter Force to take down threats. This is vanilla stuff. What makes her special is that she is meant to be used a single time in the grand finale similar to a nuclear bomb. This means that her powers are constantly suppressed in order to save them for the right moment. When she is first summoned, she doesn't even know how to talk. That's how much her saint graph is being suppressed. It wasn't until she absorbed the holy grail that she finally unlocked her final ascension and defeated Akechi Mitsuhide. Her NP is "able to annihilate or remove from the world what which was not supposed to exist, or even what cannot be allowed to exist." *2) GOD OF MAKUZU:* This is just a copy paste of Maxwell's Demon's True Fuhrer from Fate/Koha Ace (which was defeated by Okita Alter too). He is stronger than Naga Kagetora, Demon King Nubunaga, and pretty much any other servant in GUDAGUDA 4. Even servants as powerful as kagetora can't move in his presence unless he lets them to. That's how powerful the mana surrounding him is. It took Kagetora's NP, and Demon King Nobu buffed by Maxwell Demon, along with the support of many other servants to weaken him enough so that Okita Souji could rip apart the Holy Grail from his chest acting as its anchor to the world. *3) DEMON KING NOBUNAGA:* Demon King Nobunaga is regarded as the only servant that could possibly rival God of Makuzu, placing her a tier above any other servant in GUDAGUDA4. She was defeated by the combined efforts of regular Nobu and Kagetora, so people should hold their horses while wanking her lol. *4) AKECHI MITSUHIDE (DEMON KING OF THE SIXTH HEAVEN FORM):* Even the combined efforts of Nobunaga's, Sakamoto's, and Hijikata's NPs did absolutely nothing to him. Although Nobu says she would likely solo him if she was at full power, she was likely bluffing considering no else could do absolutely nothing to him, and that Nobu always states contradicting stuff in the same event without even flinching. *5) ARASH:* Okita, Nobunaga, and Mash fought him, and the moment he started charging Stella they said there was nothing they could do to survive and decided to flee. Although Nobu wasn't at full strength, Okita was. since Okita is a rival for Nobu, and Okita + 2 servants couldn't beat Arash, Arash would likely just STELLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Nobu and call it a day. Oh wait... *6) ODA NOBUNAGA:* Defeated Sakamoto Ryouma. *7) SAKAMOTO RYOUMA:* Just like in Fate/Koha Ace, his NP pushed survived Nobunaga's Three Line Formation and pushed her to use Demon King of the Sixth Heaven. *8) SHIBATA KATSUIE (EMPOWERED BY DEMON KING NOBUNAGA):* He is a tank that grows stronger with every step he takes. Kagetora eventually states that she can't defeat him, even if she used her NP. Oryou on the other hand just stated that she "might have a hard time against him." This implies Sakamoto and Oryou can beat him high diff. Meaning Nobunaga > Sakamoto > Shibata > Kagetora. *9) NAGAO KAGETORA:* Even with her NP she wouldn't be able to defeat Shibata. She does well against Nobunaga, but that is only because projectile weapons don't work against Kagetora due to her "Armor is on the Chest" skill. *10) OKITA SOUJI:* Even after stage 2 Okita Souji Alter defeated Li shuwen, nobu still said she was nothing compared to the real okita. She has some other good feats such as destroying God of Makuzu's holy grail core, but since she is never shown using all her NPs she isn't higher. *11) MORI NAGAYOSHI:* He survived a direct hit from Li Shuwen to the chest. With his armor, it gets more ridiculous, to the point he could survive Nobunaga's Three Line Formation. *12) LI SHUWEN:* He defeated Okada with 2 blows iirc. *13) HIJIKATA TOSHIZOU:* Sakamoto implied Hijikata would have killed him and Oryou had their fight not been interrupted. Sakamoto wasn't using his NP, so that's as far as he goes. *14) OKADA* *15) ODA NOBUKATSU*
Tho I wouldn't put Arash too lower I would argue them Running away from Stella shouldn't be a reason to put him high on the list Cause even if they couldn't do anything but run away, remember that in the end who survived? Arash or the gang? , even in a normal battle suppose Nobbu or Okita would just run away and survive while he explodes missing his mark And the battle is won by running away lol
if they hadn't ganged up on him he wouldn't need stella in the first place. he would have just taken them out with regular arrows each powerful enough to piece through lancelot's armor and fast enough to tag lancelot/arthur level servants. Artoria even says she only lost to them in cqc cause she hadn't had much food at breakfast.
@@guesswho8556 I checked Arthur and Lancelot, both Saber form have B Agility While Okita has A+ Agility, she could also just Teleport near Arash and take him down because I don't think Arash has any CQC prowes, he's an Archer for a reason That's my thought I could be wrong But still, I would be okay with your placement just change the reason to Arash just being stronk without Stella
@@fatemadman9688 first of all, don't use parameters. They are not consistent. Second of all, lancelot's stats are ranked up whenever he has arondight, so if anything, it would be A rank, not B. Third of all, Arash can fight in CQC, he did so against Lancelot, and lancelot was forced to use arondight overload against him. Even then, Arash survived that attack, so okita has no way of ever taking down arash.
The Demon king was regarded as an unrivaled servant within the final honnoji singularity. The priest of makuzu said that with her gone, no one would be able to rival God of makuzu. She is supposed to be a tier above any other character in that event. As for whether she can beat arash or no, that's my personal opinion. There's no way to tell
@@guesswho8556 she bluffed like she bluffed/ avoided her true identity in the beginning. She's a crafty ( and too some extent a bit sinister) being, just like the entity she was an avatar of ( Bishamonten) and it's also hinted in the flashbacks of her past.
@@uselesshero.official there's no evidence she bluffed. She states it numerous times. And when she did people already knew her true name and that she was Ana avatar of bishamonten
Well.. Im quite disagree about the scalling. Maou nobu should be at first place. I actually can Explain why, and Fyi okita alter cant erase someone from existence, she just obliterate them. And its only looks like EE, but its actually not the "True" one.
@@guesswho8556 Of course "YES", And sorry, i think you maight be have some bias on your scalling. The one that got Supressed power is Mao nobu not Okita "Alter". Even with Holy grail + Fame boost her (Maou nobu) power still lack and weak, its because the world it self see her as a threat and supressed her power just like Guda3 to OG nobu. Cause of that too her saint graph is faint and easily got beaten by (OG) Nobu and keshin combine power.
@@ultimareality1859 I didn't say anything about okita alter being suppressed. I don't know where you got demon king nobunaga's power was suppressed by the world. That has never been stated. The fact is that the demon king even while BUFFED COULDN'T defeat god of makuzu.
@@guesswho8556 sorry late to reply. Btw, Ahh.. ehmm... Maybe you can check your own pinned comment there. You actually said that. It is stated, one of her skill explain that: *Like a Vain Dream* : " Because of being under a constant assault of a correction force from the World due to her great power and mixed existence, Demon King Nobunaga is hollow as an existence and even her Saint Graph is faint. " Fyi, Maxwell only supplying Magical energy to her with his Np, that "Almost" gave infinite magical energy. Its because she need a big Magical energy to use her power properly cause of the supressed. And this actually not strengthen her power anymore, Those buff just gave her more Magical energy to fight with. You can check again on Guda4
@@ultimareality1859 okita alter RIGHT AFTER BEING SUMMONED is SUPPRESSED. I literally say right after "It wasn't until she absorbed the holy grail that she finally unlocked her final ascension". Have you even seen the event? When Okita Alter is summoned her power is greatly reduced since she is compared to a bomb that saves all its power for the great finally. As the event goes on she starts growing stronger until she finally fights akechi and goes all out. This is not my opinion. This is the way it is. Like a Vain Dream is always active. We have never seen a version of demon king nobunaga without that skill. Therefore, listing a HYPOTHETICAL Nobunaga without that weakness is HEADCANON. The fact is that demon king nobunaga even while buffed couldn't defeat god of makuzu. Move on with your life.
*1) OKITA SOUJI ALTER:* Okita Souji is summoned by the Counter Force to take down threats. This is vanilla stuff. What makes her special is that she is meant to be used a single time in the grand finale similar to a nuclear bomb. This means that her powers are constantly suppressed in order to save them for the right moment. When she is first summoned, she doesn't even know how to talk. That's how much her saint graph is being suppressed. It wasn't until she absorbed the holy grail that she finally unlocked her final ascension and defeated Akechi Mitsuhide. Her NP is "able to annihilate or remove from the world what which was not supposed to exist, or even what cannot be allowed to exist."
*2) GOD OF MAKUZU:* This is just a copy paste of Maxwell's Demon's True Fuhrer from Fate/Koha Ace (which was defeated by Okita Alter too). He is stronger than Naga Kagetora, Demon King Nubunaga, and pretty much any other servant in GUDAGUDA 4. Even servants as powerful as kagetora can't move in his presence unless he lets them to. That's how powerful the mana surrounding him is. It took Kagetora's NP, and Demon King Nobu buffed by Maxwell Demon, along with the support of many other servants to weaken him enough so that Okita Souji could rip apart the Holy Grail from his chest acting as its anchor to the world.
*3) DEMON KING NOBUNAGA:* Demon King Nobunaga is regarded as the only servant that could possibly rival God of Makuzu, placing her a tier above any other servant in GUDAGUDA4. She was defeated by the combined efforts of regular Nobu and Kagetora, so people should hold their horses while wanking her lol.
*4) AKECHI MITSUHIDE (DEMON KING OF THE SIXTH HEAVEN FORM):* Even the combined efforts of Nobunaga's, Sakamoto's, and Hijikata's NPs did absolutely nothing to him. Although Nobu says she would likely solo him if she was at full power, she was likely bluffing considering no else could do absolutely nothing to him, and that Nobu always states contradicting stuff in the same event without even flinching.
*5) ARASH:* Okita, Nobunaga, and Mash fought him, and the moment he started charging Stella they said there was nothing they could do to survive and decided to flee. Although Nobu wasn't at full strength, Okita was. since Okita is a rival for Nobu, and Okita + 2 servants couldn't beat Arash, Arash would likely just STELLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Nobu and call it a day. Oh wait...
*6) ODA NOBUNAGA:* Defeated Sakamoto Ryouma.
*7) SAKAMOTO RYOUMA:* Just like in Fate/Koha Ace, his NP pushed survived Nobunaga's Three Line Formation and pushed her to use Demon King of the Sixth Heaven.
*8) SHIBATA KATSUIE (EMPOWERED BY DEMON KING NOBUNAGA):* He is a tank that grows stronger with every step he takes. Kagetora eventually states that she can't defeat him, even if she used her NP. Oryou on the other hand just stated that she "might have a hard time against him." This implies Sakamoto and Oryou can beat him high diff. Meaning Nobunaga > Sakamoto > Shibata > Kagetora.
*9) NAGAO KAGETORA:* Even with her NP she wouldn't be able to defeat Shibata. She does well against Nobunaga, but that is only because projectile weapons don't work against Kagetora due to her "Armor is on the Chest" skill.
*10) OKITA SOUJI:* Even after stage 2 Okita Souji Alter defeated Li shuwen, nobu still said she was nothing compared to the real okita. She has some other good feats such as destroying God of Makuzu's holy grail core, but since she is never shown using all her NPs she isn't higher.
*11) MORI NAGAYOSHI:* He survived a direct hit from Li Shuwen to the chest. With his armor, it gets more ridiculous, to the point he could survive Nobunaga's Three Line Formation.
*12) LI SHUWEN:* He defeated Okada with 2 blows iirc.
*13) HIJIKATA TOSHIZOU:* Sakamoto implied Hijikata would have killed him and Oryou had their fight not been interrupted. Sakamoto wasn't using his NP, so that's as far as he goes.
*14) OKADA*
*15) ODA NOBUKATSU*
Do you think Okita Alter is Grand Servant lvl?
Kagetora did not kill nobunaga?
@@francoacosta9144 I never said she did(?)
@@guesswho8556 it is a complicated top for me kagetora is stronger than ryoma and arash for me
Good top 👍
@@francoacosta9144 do you have any feat supporting your claim?
Okitan number 1 is always a win. Very good video
thanks. I really like the music
@@guesswho8556 Aye, the song is good
Really love Nagao design
Arash sliding in and beating ur favs
Tru
True but he dies the moment he used his NP and I guess running away was victory
Feats only from the GUDAGUDA events. If a NP or ability wasn't shown in one of these events, it's not taken into account!
Finally it's here
Lol i really thought Oda Nobunaga Demon King would be the number 1 xD
Tho I wouldn't put Arash too lower
I would argue them Running away from Stella shouldn't be a reason to put him high on the list
Cause even if they couldn't do anything but run away, remember that in the end who survived?
Arash or the gang? , even in a normal battle suppose Nobbu or Okita would just run away and survive while he explodes missing his mark
And the battle is won by running away lol
if they hadn't ganged up on him he wouldn't need stella in the first place. he would have just taken them out with regular arrows each powerful enough to piece through lancelot's armor and fast enough to tag lancelot/arthur level servants. Artoria even says she only lost to them in cqc cause she hadn't had much food at breakfast.
@@guesswho8556 Arash used Stella out of respect if I recall correctly
And also which lancelot? Berserker or Saber
@@guesswho8556 also Artoria's battle is a joke so we can't really say anything real about that
@@guesswho8556 I checked Arthur and Lancelot, both Saber form have B Agility
While Okita has A+ Agility, she could also just Teleport near Arash and take him down because I don't think Arash has any CQC prowes, he's an Archer for a reason
That's my thought I could be wrong
But still, I would be okay with your placement just change the reason to Arash just being stronk without Stella
@@fatemadman9688 first of all, don't use parameters. They are not consistent. Second of all, lancelot's stats are ranked up whenever he has arondight, so if anything, it would be A rank, not B. Third of all, Arash can fight in CQC, he did so against Lancelot, and lancelot was forced to use arondight overload against him. Even then, Arash survived that attack, so okita has no way of ever taking down arash.
What's the idea on Maou Nobu being that much above regular Nobu, obviously she's stronger but how does that put her above Arash?
Curious too
The Demon king was regarded as an unrivaled servant within the final honnoji singularity. The priest of makuzu said that with her gone, no one would be able to rival God of makuzu. She is supposed to be a tier above any other character in that event. As for whether she can beat arash or no, that's my personal opinion. There's no way to tell
Kagetora is just 9, I guess Surtr is fodder after all
I got that reference, and I love it
KAGETORA TOP 10 WOOOOOOOOOO
What about Kagetora taking on the local 'god' one on one for a while and having the edge when she went all out? Sorry to disagree with the ranking.
There were a bunch of other servants present helping her, and that doesn't change the fact she was weaker than shibata before
@@guesswho8556 she was weaker than Shibata when she wasn't going all out. Pretty sure the local god was stronger than Shibata.
@@uselesshero.official no. She said that even if she used her NP she wouldn't be able to defeat shibata. Shibata had become too strong at that point
@@guesswho8556 she bluffed like she bluffed/ avoided her true identity in the beginning. She's a crafty ( and too some extent a bit sinister) being, just like the entity she was an avatar of ( Bishamonten) and it's also hinted in the flashbacks of her past.
@@uselesshero.official there's no evidence she bluffed. She states it numerous times. And when she did people already knew her true name and that she was Ana avatar of bishamonten
Well.. Im quite disagree about the scalling. Maou nobu should be at first place.
I actually can Explain why, and Fyi okita alter cant erase someone from existence, she just obliterate them. And its only looks like EE, but its actually not the "True" one.
no. demon king nobunaga even while buffed by maswell's demon couldn't defeat god of makuzu, It's pretty objective she isn't number 1
@@guesswho8556 Of course "YES", And sorry, i think you maight be have some bias on your scalling. The one that got Supressed power is Mao nobu not Okita "Alter". Even with Holy grail + Fame boost her (Maou nobu) power still lack and weak, its because the world it self see her as a threat and supressed her power just like Guda3 to OG nobu. Cause of that too her saint graph is faint and easily got beaten by (OG) Nobu and keshin combine power.
@@ultimareality1859 I didn't say anything about okita alter being suppressed.
I don't know where you got demon king nobunaga's power was suppressed by the world. That has never been stated.
The fact is that the demon king even while BUFFED COULDN'T defeat god of makuzu.
@@guesswho8556 sorry late to reply.
Btw, Ahh.. ehmm... Maybe you can check your own pinned comment there. You actually said that.
It is stated, one of her skill explain that:
*Like a Vain Dream* :
" Because of being under a constant assault of a correction force from the World due to her great power and mixed existence, Demon King Nobunaga is hollow as an existence and even her Saint Graph is faint. "
Fyi, Maxwell only supplying Magical energy to her with his Np, that "Almost" gave infinite magical energy. Its because she need a big Magical energy to use her power properly cause of the supressed. And this actually not strengthen her power anymore, Those buff just gave her more Magical energy to fight with. You can check again on Guda4
@@ultimareality1859 okita alter RIGHT AFTER BEING SUMMONED is SUPPRESSED. I literally say right after "It wasn't until she absorbed the holy grail that she finally unlocked her final ascension". Have you even seen the event? When Okita Alter is summoned her power is greatly reduced since she is compared to a bomb that saves all its power for the great finally. As the event goes on she starts growing stronger until she finally fights akechi and goes all out. This is not my opinion. This is the way it is.
Like a Vain Dream is always active. We have never seen a version of demon king nobunaga without that skill. Therefore, listing a HYPOTHETICAL Nobunaga without that weakness is HEADCANON.
The fact is that demon king nobunaga even while buffed couldn't defeat god of makuzu. Move on with your life.
Didn't you say that kagetora is supposed to be like one of the strongest characters in fate?
no
@@guesswho8556 🤥
Ryoma doesn't seem so strong to me, even though he survived
sakamoto has a dragon and the riding skill, and despite nobunaga getting stronger against servants that meet those criteria she barely defeated him.
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