Why Android 17 makes NO SENSE

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  • Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
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  • @SpammytheHedgehog
    @SpammytheHedgehog 3 місяці тому +76

    They gave everyone a power boost except Tien, Yamcha and Chiaotzu.

    • @MysteryBounty
      @MysteryBounty 3 місяці тому +24

      Oh man yeah Tien got done dirty, he's literally the only Z fighter human that never stopped training but is constantly treated as weak, had some of the best techniques pre Saiyan saga and was a beast, now he's treated so bad

    • @lordnul1708
      @lordnul1708 3 місяці тому +9

      Yamcha I believe was because memes.
      Chiaotzu kinda stopped having anything useful to do (because of the writing) once King Piccolo showed up.
      Tien meanwhile supposedly always trains, but the only reason he wasn't boosted or even allowed to keep up is because Japan specifically hates him.

    • @michaelmayers3622
      @michaelmayers3622 3 місяці тому

      ​@@MysteryBountycau a e he is weak allthe himan a are relative t o each other

    • @michaelmayers3622
      @michaelmayers3622 3 місяці тому +2

      ​@@MysteryBountythey should just nake tien a alien or make it thst he unlocks his 3 eyer power increaseimg his potential

    • @DragonUltraMaster
      @DragonUltraMaster 3 місяці тому +3

      I do not know what this Yamcha is, but it sounds dissapointing

  • @ahunterinChrist
    @ahunterinChrist 3 місяці тому +8

    “Nobody can beat me when I’m super 17!!!!” 🗣️🗣️🗣️💯🔥

  • @TombEvils
    @TombEvils 3 місяці тому +12

    lol the red circle on the thumbnail

  • @DeletedUser232
    @DeletedUser232 3 місяці тому +12

    I agree with the thumbnail. That part of Goku's hair should not have been blue. It should have been black

    • @Usiic
      @Usiic 3 місяці тому +4

      It’s just to get you to watch the full video to see if there’s a second showing an error or issue with his hair, that’s all.

  • @metaronin
    @metaronin 3 місяці тому +6

    power levels are broken and mean nothing but just move the plot along
    the idea that regular fighters could hold their own with god energy was a stretch for DBS though and undermined the entire premise

  • @alatusedits
    @alatusedits 3 місяці тому +15

    That flock of goku's hair is NOT possible

  • @isaaccuevas1717
    @isaaccuevas1717 3 місяці тому +32

    I know asspull powerup gets thrown a lot in this communit,but Jesus android 17 in DBS was litterly the asspulls of asspulls,and I don’t wanna hear any “ooh he has great potential”, what was android 18 excuse,there the EXACT same

    • @om9959
      @om9959 3 місяці тому +7

      Similar to freeza,and gohan is the biggest ass pull in existence.

    • @nevadalotto560
      @nevadalotto560 3 місяці тому +2

      No 17 is a android so it makes sense for him to be that strong at soon as they were born they was already stronger than a super Saiyan so 17 must have been training so y'all are just haters and it isn't out of nowhere

    • @isaaccuevas1717
      @isaaccuevas1717 3 місяці тому +2

      @@nevadalotto560 unless your think he’s been training every hour of every day for the past decade he should not be this strong.even if you think she trains passively to get that strong then what’s 18 excuse,she significantly weaker then 17 l,we know for a fact she trains

    • @nevadalotto560
      @nevadalotto560 3 місяці тому

      @@isaaccuevas1717 Like I said at soon as they were born they was already stronger than a super Saiyan and then training on top that makes them more stronger unless 18 haven't been training as hard as 17 because 18 does have a family

    • @perfectcelltheandroidking554
      @perfectcelltheandroidking554 3 місяці тому

      ​@@nevadalotto56017 has a bigger family than 18 does bro, 18 doesn't have an excuse

  • @Insert_Bland_Name_Here
    @Insert_Bland_Name_Here 3 місяці тому +5

    "The Spirit Bomb requires Genki"
    Makes sense. It's called the "Genkidama" in Japanese, after all.

  • @dmitribrutus5543
    @dmitribrutus5543 3 місяці тому +13

    At least I would give credit to the manga where 17 is able keep up with Super Saiyan 3 Goku at ease than Heavily Suppressed Super Saiyan Blue Goku.
    Can you imagine Androids absorbing or obtaining God Ki🤔?

  • @roguetwice469
    @roguetwice469 2 місяці тому

    *The 17 everyone remembers*
    - Weaker than A16
    - Beaten and absorbed by Cell
    - Quickly surpassed by Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, Trunks, and probably Piccolo.
    *The 17 everyone forgets*
    - Effortlessly stronger than full power Frieza, who is stronger than every mortal creature in the universe. (17 has never trained btw)
    - Handcrafted in a laboratory for the explicit purpose of being better than everyone, and endowed with only the most desirable traits for power and devoid of any weaknesses
    - Was only ever surpassed by the strongest freaks in the universe after they decided to train even harder than usual
    So it's actually internally consistent that he improves so quickly, there's no need to create headcanon about him getting stronger passively. Next to Cell and the other Androids, he's the ultimate life form in the universe, and the only thing stopping him from surpassing Beerus is he probably only trains as much as Krillin, if not less.

  • @giornogiovannatheultimateb8553
    @giornogiovannatheultimateb8553 3 місяці тому +5

    in manga, he only fights ssj3.

  • @adamnunes5482
    @adamnunes5482 3 місяці тому +2

    Shouldn't the cell Jr's also been insanely strong? They should of had all of cells potential plus they were already strong. This would make sense too if the cell Jr's can keep up with 17.

  • @christopherballero866
    @christopherballero866 3 місяці тому +2

    Power-ups in: DBZ, GT, & Super make no sense. Toriyama has said that power levels were dictated by the story but should've been planned better. If Dragonball were given more time perhaps that could've happened

    • @DanielMWJ
      @DanielMWJ 3 місяці тому

      Yes. Goku's power ups at the end of the Namek Saga were total asspulls. He literally got ×33.1/3 then ×50. That's ×1,666.2/3. And that doesn't even count the probable ×2 zenkai and ×5 training in a single week. Yeah. He went from 9,000 (over 8,000) to 150,000,000 in a week.
      Man had no impulse control.

  • @matthewburdick4966
    @matthewburdick4966 3 місяці тому +1

    I mean he was probably training with the Cell Juniors like you said

  • @sethtone8634
    @sethtone8634 3 місяці тому

    RIP Toriyama but even if you find his secret book in is secret Lab with an actual plan to build Cell..... there will be a picture of Poop at the end ... I just wish Toriyama could have enjoyed the money he made off of his mind

  • @lokkiirl4793
    @lokkiirl4793 3 місяці тому +1

    I love Dragon Ball but man the fact that Gero can build a robot way stronger than final form Frieza from scratch is kinda dumb when you stop to think about it

  • @gabrielflecchia4481
    @gabrielflecchia4481 3 місяці тому +1

    Therefore there is a plot hole in dbz/super bcs it's stated that the top takes place the same year that future gohan dies which means android 17 from the future should have been top level of main timeline android 17

    • @kaienglish271
      @kaienglish271 3 місяці тому

      The Android 17 from the Future isn’t training with Cell Juniors or has any reason to train because everyone was dead

  • @GrandCaptainSpeedyDashGames
    @GrandCaptainSpeedyDashGames 3 місяці тому +1

    Here is something interesting that I've always questioned. With infinite energy, couldn't they continue to charge an attack until it's strong enough to defeat whatever opponent they are facing? Is there something stopping them from continually pouring all of their energy into an attack until it's strong enough? With the Genkidama it makes sense but what if they are making a Powerball or something and just constantly pumping it up with their endless energy supply.

  • @hackedegg
    @hackedegg 3 місяці тому

    This is just speculation, but i think that 17's upgrades are slightly different, in what way im not sure, but like you mentioned, his genes mutate or evolve which causes him to age slower or even have infinite youth due to the fact that 18 looks noticeably older in GT while 17 does not.

  • @dwightnorton3398
    @dwightnorton3398 3 місяці тому +1

    Great work

  • @MJBBo
    @MJBBo 3 місяці тому

    You are my, The Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball GT, Dragon Ball Super Bible, Dictionary. Fuck yeah!!! Keep up the great videos!!!!!!😎😎😎😎🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

  • @Braidneb
    @Braidneb 3 місяці тому

    You can really see how Goku's hair has improved over time at 9:07 in the video

  • @jaymartin7225
    @jaymartin7225 3 місяці тому

    What is the Big Geti Star was cannon and it's regenerative capabilities were harnessed with the androids infinite energy

  • @danblaydon36
    @danblaydon36 3 місяці тому

    "Ah I am here for my brother and sister Cyborg 17 and 18"
    Got to love this saga on t.f.s 😂😂 but 17 was so powerful before the t.o.p so imagine the power he grew and experience during, its immense

  • @ryszakowy
    @ryszakowy 3 місяці тому +1

    i'd believe that as for being androids - not living things anymore they have energy
    and every other being has ki

  • @TheJadeFist
    @TheJadeFist 3 місяці тому

    The very fact they have what must be a zero point energy system of some kind, and are limited strictly by bandwidth of power they can draw out at any given moment and don't have an exhaustible supply, if they learned to use that energy to store and control energy outside of their power supply, they could do some seriously broken things and start adding some serious digits to that exponent at the end of the multiplier. That's not even counting their bodies are still living and capable of growing also. 17 was way more powerful than 18 in the tournament mostly because he had a higher level of control.
    For example his "unbreakable" barriers were a demonstration of control at a higher level, and also by having that energy on the outside of himself, he was semi circumventing his major weakness, which isn't really that much of a weakness all things considered.

  • @kamenrangerzeo8251
    @kamenrangerzeo8251 3 місяці тому +1

    This is just in my kind of head canon but I have a theory about why 17 and 18 are able to go toe to toe nearly God like beings and that would be what if they got an upgrade by cell by accident. Now hear me out as to why I believe this is the reason, let’s look at both androids biology they are technically, like you said, bio androids or cyborgs and cell, in his biology, has the genetic makeup to have both of them in his body so it will stand to reason why cell could absorb them and not android 16, who was pure machine, and not bio mechanical like 17 & 18 or even Android 21.
    Now let’s look at their power for example since they technically have near infinite stamina to last for a very long time impossibly evil doctor gave them an ability to self improve with time. Which is why they can last as long as they do against other powerful opponents if you look at the DBZ movie 13 Super Android 13 The main antagonist was able to quickly gain power fast to match all three super saiyans (Goku, Vegeta & Trunks) not to mention that super android 17 was able to match blow for blow with super Saiyan 4 Goku so we can also assume then maybe his sister android 18 can also have a super mode as well which I would love to see become canon in the dragon ball super series and even a return of Super Android 17 as well.

  • @KilatSilat
    @KilatSilat 3 місяці тому

    Super saiyan android goku sounds epic

  • @TheJadeFist
    @TheJadeFist 3 місяці тому

    "If they trained, why doesn't their ki increase?" Maybe because they're training using their alternate energy form, which it makes sense their ki wouldn't increase, they're not using it, and they don't really need to train it. Maybe there is nothing stopping them from training it, however.

  • @meowmeow1858
    @meowmeow1858 3 місяці тому

    In Xenoverse 2 Android 17 uses charge ki ; so he uses his Ki yellow bar to gain Boost in energy blue bar

  • @GanonGhidorah
    @GanonGhidorah 3 місяці тому

    Okay, _this is why I hate the Androids._
    The Term "Android" or "Cyborg" evokes an idea of being more machine than man - heck, the term Android is meant to mean that they never were human, nor organic in the first place. The name is supposed to make us think of the _Terminator -_ metal endoskeleton under living human tissue.
    As such, whenever there are machines, there are technological and even structural limits. It's why machines need to be replaced every few years or so; not just with newer models, but more the fact that the materials they're made from deteriorate. Basically, all of this for the longest time implied that 17 and 18 had limits that they would never be able to surpass.
    So now, after all these years, we find out that they aren't even androids _at all?_ I mean sure, they have _two_ mechanical parts in them, but that hardly qualifies as a _cyborg._ People who have been modified at the _cellular-level_ aren't machines; if anything, they're genetically-modified super-humans. So why even call them Androids at all?
    Admittedly, this actually goes better to explain why Cell absorbing them allows him to achieve his perfect form; I've even heard that somehow absorbing them fuses them into his body at a cellular level...still that doesn't explain how getting hit really hard causes him to vomit-up 18.

    • @supersongogeta
      @supersongogeta 3 місяці тому

      In the original japanese dub, 17 and 18 and called c 17 and c18. The english dub called them androids

  • @aayewhyy
    @aayewhyy 3 місяці тому

    Androids are the real human potential

  • @Avonski
    @Avonski 3 місяці тому

    Super Saiyan God super Saiyan 3 kaio ken x 20
    And that is simply because of the everlasting energy, not counting the increase in power because of becoming an android

    • @DanielMWJ
      @DanielMWJ 3 місяці тому

      Would kaiouken even work? And then there's the body strain even if it does...

  • @illujion6516
    @illujion6516 3 місяці тому

    It's almost certainly an additive power not multiplicative

  • @Jaymargera27
    @Jaymargera27 3 місяці тому

    So that means they would make Cell OP if they brought him back to life and join Universe 7 for the Tournament of power

  • @Badman0417
    @Badman0417 3 місяці тому

    I dont believe ki is what the power levels reflect. Ki has to be harnessed and expressed to be energy

  • @ayonhussainforever9390
    @ayonhussainforever9390 3 місяці тому

    We need a Super Android 18 🫦

  • @faraztahir7169
    @faraztahir7169 3 місяці тому +1

    Android 17 is not an insult to Super Saiyan God it just sounds like your salty that it's possible for him to get stronger and catch up with Super Saiyan Blue lol Toriyama said himself it's possible for Androids/Cyborgs to get stronger through training.

  • @VXGaming
    @VXGaming 3 місяці тому

    What IF Gero made Mecha Frieza.

  • @firebry23
    @firebry23 3 місяці тому

    Could Cell have absorbed Android 16? Would he be ultra ultra perfect Cell?

  • @Dwq47
    @Dwq47 3 місяці тому

    This video is a pretty moot point because Krillin wished 17 and 18 to become human again when he made his wish to the dragon at the end of the cell saga.

  • @zhd394
    @zhd394 3 місяці тому +1

    Super is full of BS. In future trunks timeline, 17 is just ssj1 level.

  • @TrappyJenkins
    @TrappyJenkins 3 місяці тому

    If goku had fought android 17 a week before battle for the gods, would super sayijin 3 goku have been easily one shotted?

  • @Georgewilliams-gs6wl
    @Georgewilliams-gs6wl 3 місяці тому

    Since doctor Gero could turn himself into an android I don't know why he didn't slowly upgrade himself along side his androids. At least if he was worried they'd turn against him.

  • @DiamondDa1yak0
    @DiamondDa1yak0 3 місяці тому

    17 will Ranger that Park!

  • @TheEntertainmentKnight
    @TheEntertainmentKnight 3 місяці тому

    Androids are Broken but Saiyans are more Broken

  • @robertshannon8357
    @robertshannon8357 3 місяці тому

    They photosynthesize lol

  • @TylerJ0412
    @TylerJ0412 3 місяці тому

    I wish they would have just had Goku gather all of the team in like an hour or 2 and had Whis train the team in an upgraded HBTC for a year then everyone's power would at least make sense. Instead, they had Goku, "the man who can teleport to anybodies ki in an instant," waste 40 hours trying to convince his literal friends and family to do the tournament with lies about money instead of just telling them what was at stake.

    • @kaienglish271
      @kaienglish271 3 місяці тому

      Can’t teleport to Android 17

    • @TylerJ0412
      @TylerJ0412 3 місяці тому

      @kaienglish271 true but it still shouldnt take 40 hours to find him

    • @kaienglish271
      @kaienglish271 3 місяці тому

      @@TylerJ0412 but it didn’t take him 40 hours 😂 where u getting that from ?

    • @TylerJ0412
      @TylerJ0412 3 місяці тому

      @kaienglish271 im not saying he did. My whole point is Goku spent nearly all of the 40 hours they had to prepare, trying to recruit the team for the tournament, which consists of all his friends who he should have been able to teleport to and get within minutes. 17 is the only person he couldn't teleport to but even still it shouldnt take him the whole 40 hours to find a recruit 17 to the team.

  • @sirlottawin
    @sirlottawin 3 місяці тому

    why with all the arrows and circles?

  • @cobrajr188
    @cobrajr188 3 місяці тому

    Omg the idea of ssb kioken with unlimited stamina is broke lol

  • @letsdothisshiat1162
    @letsdothisshiat1162 3 місяці тому

    Where tf was 17 during the buu saga, super makes no sense 😂

  • @matrixtheory3088
    @matrixtheory3088 3 місяці тому

    why is krillins daughter is not strong or show any level of ki

  • @AlmostCoolGuys
    @AlmostCoolGuys 3 місяці тому +2

    Man the budokai 1 cutscenes are absolute bangers

  • @gmaster1795
    @gmaster1795 3 місяці тому

    All yall complaining about 17s power up just mad nobody can beat him when he's super 17😂
    But seriously it's stated numerous times that 17 & 18 can get stronger over time with training! You all just dont like the fact that that there are others with great potential that aren't saiyans.

  • @c.legacy1985
    @c.legacy1985 3 місяці тому

    Lol all the members of the team are mortal thoe 😂💯💪🏾❤️🌏🌎🌍

  • @famalam943
    @famalam943 3 місяці тому

    Now theories on super 17 🤔

  • @shruiyaku
    @shruiyaku 3 місяці тому

    It literally doesn't make sense how 17 can fight on the level on a ssg. Or blue. He should instantly get one shotted by blue goku and nothing less. He's a a android, he couldn't even beat imperfect cell. Nah just another asspull. Thats all it is.

    • @DanielMWJ
      @DanielMWJ 3 місяці тому

      Always was. Goku got an ×16,666.2/3 increase in a week in the Namek Saga. That's a multiple twice as large as his power level was, basically.
      Remember, Goku getting that much stronger is ALSO an asspull.

  • @michaelmayers3622
    @michaelmayers3622 3 місяці тому

    Can the amdroids regenerate or do they heal at a normal himan rate and can they train 24h a day 7 days a week without having to rest

    • @dustinvance243
      @dustinvance243 3 місяці тому

      No and yes. Their infinite energy supply basically means they have infinite stamina and therefore can fight at the same pace indefinitely. Trying to outlast them is like trying to beat a car in a race on a bicycle. Even if both are going at the same speed, the simple fact is that one will eventually get tired and the other won't. That's why they were able to beat the Z fighters in the original time line. It wasn't just a power difference.

  • @stevenldoe7838
    @stevenldoe7838 3 місяці тому

    Makes no sense. 17 should have been strong enough for any form of Majin buu during that saga.
    GT actually stacked 15 years on top of fusion

  • @windows98alpha35
    @windows98alpha35 3 місяці тому

    Imagine the strength of Super 17 from GT. People always downplay him but I've said it before and I'll say it again. Super 17 IS the strongest character in all of GT

  • @toxicmanbaby1069
    @toxicmanbaby1069 3 місяці тому

    I love these videos, but what's with the arrows and circles in the thumbnail? It's super random, and always pointing at something that doesn't matter 🤣

    • @SaiyanScholar
      @SaiyanScholar  3 місяці тому

      So you're saying SSB doesn't matter 😆

    • @toxicmanbaby1069
      @toxicmanbaby1069 3 місяці тому

      @@SaiyanScholar I doubt that the specific little lock of hair at the front of his hair does, but I could be wrong 🤔

  • @Just_B0red
    @Just_B0red 3 місяці тому

    Goku and Vegeta will get Android upgrade in order to beat Black Frieza

  • @supersaiyangodshallot8742
    @supersaiyangodshallot8742 3 місяці тому

    Android 17 was much weaker than Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games). Even if Android 17 did train very hard over years since the Cell Games, then Android 17 would be either strong as Super Saiyan Goku (ToP) or SS3 Goku (ToP), but being nearly strong as SSB Goku, well that's beyond ridiculous. For starters, Android 17 was a human being, and the strongest earthling Krillin with his potential unlock couldn't hold a candle to Base Goku.

    • @acecashman1237
      @acecashman1237 3 місяці тому

      Yeah but Krillin wasn't a cyborg either

  • @ryigen83
    @ryigen83 3 місяці тому

    I love this vid..^_^

  • @richardjones8846
    @richardjones8846 3 місяці тому

    in short... super 17.

  • @MONKEYDZETS
    @MONKEYDZETS 3 місяці тому

    LEAVE 17 ALONE HE BEATIFUL LOL AND MY FIRST MAN CRUSH! 😂

  • @domohowse
    @domohowse 3 дні тому

    domooo17

  • @michaelmayers3622
    @michaelmayers3622 3 місяці тому

    17 and 18bprob didnt kean how u use ki

  • @zpearson59
    @zpearson59 3 місяці тому +1

    Too bad he hasn't been relevant since the TOP

    • @EdgardoJCruz-dk5kv
      @EdgardoJCruz-dk5kv 3 місяці тому

      He fought in the Moro Arc alongside his sister when Earth was invaded.

    • @dragonballptkjr.3922
      @dragonballptkjr.3922 3 місяці тому +1

      ​@@EdgardoJCruz-dk5kvsadly He was just a unimportant side character. I dont think he Talked even one Word lol

    • @zpearson59
      @zpearson59 3 місяці тому +1

      @@EdgardoJCruz-dk5kv yeah just to get bodied. Honestly I don't even think he stayed the whole fight like everyone else did. Haven't heard from him since.. they doing him dirty if you ask me

    • @DanielMWJ
      @DanielMWJ 3 місяці тому

      ​@@zpearson59So, like every character who isn't an alien?

  • @denizenbyday
    @denizenbyday 3 місяці тому

    Isn’t 17 Toyotarou’s favorite character and that’s why he got a powerup? That’s what I heard anyway.

  • @michaelmayers3622
    @michaelmayers3622 3 місяці тому

    Kio ken would destroy goku body

  • @alexfraser8352
    @alexfraser8352 3 місяці тому

    Android 17 as a whole in super rubs me the wrong way