Carry Hero Tierlist 7.35b
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Correction: Mageslayer does NOT reduce Ursas Fury Swipes damage. It says so in the tooltip if you hold ALT while debuffed, but it does not actually reduce the damage.
Does Mage Slayer also reduce radiance damage?
@@65MaX73radiance is an item passive so no it does not
It does reduce Radiance. Spell damage isn't actually only "spells". It even reduces Mageslayer damage itself. It affects most if not all damage sources that are not right click.@@silentstorm1509
@@65MaX73 yes it does
@@silentstorm1509 It does. Mage Slayer reduces all damage dealt by spells and items that are not considered attacks or increase your attack damage. The damage has to be "conditional attack damage" that is added to your total attack damage on hit (so it stays 1 damage instance; these bonuses would affect lifesteal and cleave but do not affect crit). So mage slayer works on Bloodthorn, Maelstorm, MKB and stuff like Faceless Void Bash, as these are additional damage instances. However it does not work on Diffusal Blade, Jinada, Fury Swipes, Acorn Shot, Sleight of Fist or AM Mana Burn as these are considered "conditional attack damage" as explained above.
Meanwhile I'm winning with Abaddon xdd
this is so accurate for me also. Thanks for the tips also and more power to your channel bud.
really needed that, ty
can confirm - 7 wins in a row as Faceless Void - most often you can actually go Treads Mjollnir, even if not, Maelstrom and even Mithril for BKB is enough to dumpster the fight. Absolute S tier hero right now
Disperser cleansing ALL Meepos is the most obnoxious thing I've ever heard 😂😂
Meepo is nutty right now lol loving it as I played it before this patch anyways even better now
Deal WIth IT
My friend who plays meepo a lot since then became immortal for the first time with this build/patch 😂
cleansing all those rats should be illegal.
I've had to go tanky instead of going evasive this patch as Oracle. Also be on the look out for Kotl with shard. Double cooldown reduction is the real deal!
People also always seem to miss this thing about void, he is actually also an insane mixed damage carry. at least 30% of his damage is magic, even into the late game
how? i assumed its all due to Mjolnir and not his 2nd skill
@@Baronight Time lock(bash) is magic damage.
@@Baronighttime lock is a magic damage bonus.
@@MegaTuron117 oh shit i didnt know that...wtf time lock is magical dmg and its lower dmg compare to sladdar bash which is physical XD
@@Baronightthe time lock hit does your physical damage PLUS a magic damage bonus
What are your thoughts on abaddon BSJ? Where does he fit cause it seems like you forgot about him
Abaddon should be in this list surely.
Thanks for the tier list bsj nuch appreciated. Your the only one i trust!
great video, always so high quality!
I've been having huge success with drow disperser. It makes it so difficult to go on me in fights with the repositioning.
But after seeing your pick for S tier, I understand why you wouldn't want to pick her lol.
Would’ve liked to hear ur thoughts on abaddon but great vid as always ❤
wait this isn't Jenkins
I KNEW something was wrong in this video, I just couldn't put my finger on it
disperser on morph, ursa and tb carrying me through this meta, good video, think i might try out some troll
thumbnail had me feelin zesty BSJ 😏😏😏
Thanks as always man!
I lost 5 ranked games in a row yesterday so my homework is to watch 1 hour of bsj before playing again. Thanks for the vids.
Nerd !
@@today978 hey it worked. Won my next 3 games.
@@SavantAudiosurfnoob
@@today978”sniperwolf hottest moments” freak.
@@MC-nt7jz lol you made 4 comments on this channel in the last hour just calling every comment a noob. I think you're the noob... At youtube. Bro gets more angry in the comments than in a ranked match.
bsj can you make a low rank version of this guide, tried void a few times and always lost with him. for one my team often gets steamrolled very early, void being a lategame carry means i cant do shit except farm and occasionally chrono. Even if i split push and farm away, most of the time my team won't be capable of holding and the game just ends right there. Basically I need a hero that is capable of recovering very well while at the same time can contribute to fights even without items
My personal experience but Riki is GOATed. Early kills and endgame, I’d like to pick Riki. I play him with bloodythorn instead of abyssal blade as extension and it’s pretty cool.
Hello bsj can you do a guide on silencer
I love this hero as mid or support make a video thanks
I agree with this tier list more than the other list because it is backed up with facts rather than "i dont know i just feel like......." Explanations lol.
i was wondering why i had a 10Wstreak with FV
it feels like you don't consider matchups, even though you need to think about that too in the picking Phase. How can Luna be good if Slark and Storm are also good?
Feels like BSJ forgot Abbadon, its really strong IMHO (at least in divine bracket)
Its better on 3
Went against some dumb save comp with abba 1 lich 5 and they just balled the whole game (ancients bracket)
agree
@@hkl2007 Well he included dawn which is also better 3
thank you Mr. BSJ
I'm a jugg main I love mage slayer on jugg when I need it
Bruh, if Troll isn't at least in B tier, I'm gonna lose my shit
Edit: Called it. He's in B tier.
niice content
i ve been picking dusa too much recently i got a 11-2 w-l , the fact that she can stand and fight early vs melee heroes is outstanding...
2 heroes counter her in my opinion , am and lone druid...if i can reach 10 th pick i ll immediately pick her
Did an ursa mid and went 21-2 the other day, felt really good. Destroyed a sniper so hard.
How do I get that fabulous looking terrain?
A time machine.
can u explain why +aromr conters -armor, but not other way around?
Because armor stacking has diminishing returns, it sounds counter intuitive, but reducing someone's armor from 15 to 0 gives you a lot more damage Amp than reducing someone's armor from 30 to 15.
The real reason is, because there's nothing else to do other than get +armor to counter -armor. What other options are there?
Buy HP? Cost-wise, it simply gives much much less survivability than armor against physical attacks. That's always the case against physical attacks, even without -armor, with -armor it's even worse.
Make yourself unhittable, i.e. ethereal? Doesn't last long enough.
Stop the enemy from hitting? I mean, if you use all your disables on them and burst them down, sure, that'll work. But that'll also work against any enemy, and then you have the rest of the team to deal with. And what if they BKB?
Aaand... that's it? The only thing left is to buy +armor, if you buy enough +armor to make the +/- go even, then you're just back to a normal game, and it doesn't take much most of the time.
BSJ has a video on this. Essentially, reducing armor is only effective if it reduces armor to less than 10. Buying platemail completely negates desolator and cost much less. AC destroys desolator, because it will even make nearby supports relatively high armor.
What about skiter playing gyro in bb dacha?
Nice info!. The only thing i didnt get was the minus armor counters minus amor
You and Speeeed should make a podcast. Or livestream tournamnet games!
more carry tier videos
No viper?
Played a game against Abaddon+Gyro safelane as a melee 3 recently. It was the worst laning phase (...and pretty much the rest of the game) I've had in years.
Gyro 5 or Abaddon 5?
@@fatal_pastry1176 Gyro 5
@@fatal_pastry1176 Aba pos5 100%
Lol gyro noob carry u big noob
LD is underrated. Just build mageslayer on bear. Then build disperser on both. It's really fun. He's also great vlads carrier. Most of the A tier heroes are countered by roar. Just ban Void if you plan to play LD, it's a recipe for disaster.😅
Lina and WR carry. What a world
How about carry ember?
What about Abaddon?
Yeah abaddon is so good
I can’t even succeed in bot games with meepo. This hero is oddly hard af unless I’m doing something way wrong 😂
magesllayer does not reduce fury swipe damage
bsj what about abbadon??????
no abaddon?
Lol meanwhile in herald-archon sniper and PA are both most popular cores because how dumb we are by keeping ganking on anyone jumping in while the biggest threats are free hitting/spell and we also too prideful to buy counter build. Hell, if you first picked medusa I can guarantee none of your enemies will buy diffusal😂
even difusal in any hero doesn t work vs dusa , she still can fight you back .
she ll not be fighting by her own
Anws herald and ancients are the same don t worry xd
Even heralds know to pick AM into Dusa I'm sure.
@@ahmadchehab5917 well I mean the pos 1 and pos 2 who should buy diffusal and stops medusa before late game
@@sameveland8560 they know, but as I said, they are too prideful to counter build/pick. They’re rather pick their favorite hero/abuse low mmr killer builds (unless their favorite hero is AM) and then flaming their offlane because they think medusa is fat because of them😂
@@ant3910 Honestly at that mmr it is better for them to pick the thing they are the closest to playing at an acceptable level, that will give their team the greatest advantage. It unfortunately goes against how the game is taught and culturally enforced but it's true. As to item choice as opposed to hero choice: you're absolutely right that low mmr players will also comfort pick items but I don't know if such a standout as diffusal vs medusa applies, low mmr players will buy bkbs on occassion so why wouldn't they have the sense to buy such an obvious counter? Perhaps in replacing damage items or when to buy diffusal is the tough part for low mmr cores but really bkb falls into the same selection process when playing core so I don't see how that would be true. TLDR it seems like an overrexageration to say low mmr players will miss stuff like this. How often do you think a carry player under 2k will buy diffusal against dusa (when it's needed) then? Sounds like you think 20% or so but correct me if I'm wrong. To me bkb seems more missable because it requires looking at the whole draft.
Mid tier list also please
Ame has 80% win rate on DK. Mage slayer, Manta build is strong. You can flash farm like crazy in the mid game.
if you have a goodtime mid as silencer, void wil have mana issue mid game
Void will just build Manta and BKB if theres silencer. Pudge is more annoying vs Void because he can hook out the team inside chronom
you looked like miracle there for a second 😂
I think that was the intention 😅
Miracles wishes 😂
C'mon bro he ain't that ugly
Abbadon not even considered? sheesh
Poor marci one of my fave heros to play, the burst damage is too much in this meta
Abandon carry doesn’t get mentioned?
Where is Omni? 👀
brian slian jian
Abaddon?
I honestly dont think DK isnt that bad if you build mage slayer and manta first item. It's good against illusion, it's annoying and it can take towers, similar to pudge DK should be in at least C tier.
Yes!
Why tb on c lol i deadass thought he'd be on f. He's one of my main but everytime i play with tb he's just not good right now and i always lose especially when enemy pick centaur, axe, pl, or lion
FV is just free win every game. You get average lane, average mid game and once you get bkb mjolnir, the game is over. You win every team fight with chrono.
Why that thumbnail looks like Khezu
positive feedback
No abba carry? Weird
Where's mirana?!
that thumbnail is pure rizz, goodluck on the date!
This tier list is the biggest piece of cap on the block.
No love for Abaddon? I think he has his place as a carry right now in the B tier.
Better offlane.
Guess you can put DK above now🤷
Drow also high b i think almost a
Where is abba?
Offlane next pls
Free MMR incoming boys
Dota 2 1.0 most broken hero? Void
Dota 2 7.35b most broken hero? Void
He didnt change much thats why. Chrono is still the best pos1 ult. Its Blackhole level ult on a pos1.
Carry Mirana keep being forgotten lmao
Hero is universal, mobile, great teamfighter, has follow up stun, mixed damage (u guys forgot what shard does), has crits for free, can one shot creeps and get exp ridiculously fast, has waveclear (shard bby), great manta/disperser builder, great range, very evasive, buys basically any item in the game
Wish anyone from pro players would finally realise she is a real sleeper pick of this patch
Mirana carry will lose out using arrow. Not worth being carry when she cant fight back vs other tanks and carry.
The mixed damage is garbage tho
all that you explained fits better for a pos2 hero more
her damage output is low and she cant fight other cores late game
Morphling is hard, very slow movement speed, cannt commit waveform if someone with stun is hiding behind, brust is too good and stuns wrecks him. hit 2 times and their support will out pace you with boots and windlace combined. its horrible to play morphling.
Meepo gang✋
Still pro teams picking sven most games
Why are people shit talking other dota content creators here, this a bashing channel or an educational channel?
Abadon carry
I have a 59% winrate over 800 games on pudge all ranked play. 2900mmr and my teammates would throw/report me if i picked pudge hard carry. In fact I have to do so well to make them not hate me lol.
It's mainly because there's a pudge in every. Single. Fucking. Game.... its just boring and its always a diceroll if you get the god tier pudge or the shit tier pudge because there's just no in-between
u shouldnt be 2900 with a 59% winrate
@@7chicken recalibrated sometime last year from legend 3 down to crusader 3. Quit the game for some time after realizing how bad i fu**ed myself doing that. Currently climbing back up and pudge is my best hero but i get to barely play it due to the new ban system.
PA is still doable.
36.6% wr says otherwise
PA is really special hero, kinda like pudge. If you are a good PA player or Pudge your skill grants u much more winrate than normal over the average because the heroes are so popular the winrates get dragged down.
@@sp1n1n68 if you know when to pick her, she's still good. i have a 55% win rate with her my past 10 games in div 1.
Keep ganking PA before she builds BKB and you win.
Bsj nukelist
Where is CK? :O and one of my favorite heroes: Aba ??
ck is in d tier open your eyes lol. aba is not carry fuck that
most higher mmr players play ck as offlane mostly i think and abba carry is sort of a gimmicky thing since hes been released
@@gamersrevenge6528 Dang iim blind haha. And try Aba as carry, in certain gams he can work ;)
Pick venge against void not so S-tier anymore xD
Thoughts on spectre in other roles? I feel like she has been so strong in carry for so long that nobody was trying to play her in other roles, but she has so much potential, with khanda working on dagger and ult, it lets her push lanes really hard while still being able to join teamfights.
In herald, spectre mid is nuts.
Im an average player and I get like 30-0/25-4 and things like that regulary. I took the inspiration from a yt video of someone 2k-3k i thibk
Spec Mid is better with urn and ult.
@@Doflaminguard yes you just survive to level six getting urn + diffusal blade from there you become a nightmare because you stay in lane and everytime someone is low or a fight happening you take the kill or help
jaoooooood
Heroes I disagree with:
Marci: D tier, saw some people destroy with Marci safe lane but very situational depending on the draft, it's still viable though
Jugg: B tier, agree it's a situational pick but he's above the other heroes in C tier in my opinion, very viable this patch
Terrorblade: surprised me being even in C tier considering his win rate, I'd have him in F or D
Drow: A lot of pro's playing her and she belongs in B tier if you have a decent draft around her, Aghs being the main reason
Monkey could be a B tier as well, considering his ult goes well with mage slayer and other items (but I get the reasoning behind the C placement, considering he's a good support right now)
Also, some people play Abbadon as 1 but goes without saying he's a much better 3 and 5, so I understand why you omitted him from the list.
Otherwise, very solid tier list! Appreciate it.
Marci is a support, her 3rd skill requires a rightclicker for it to work properly and she wants a hero to fight alongside, no reason to force her into carry
You do have to take BSJ's opinions with a pinch of salt because highh tier immortal is very very different than the games that other 95% of us play.
Imo, Jugg is S tier below like, 5k, because he's very independant, and can jungle early if your support is a role queue token farmer. He is self sufficient in all stages of the game, and his weaknesses aren't really punished that much at all below 5k.
Same with Dusa, I think she's probably B or A tier in lower brackets because every game goes late, and people very rarely smoke up to go hunting the pos 1 early so she gets to farm up in pretty much every game there. Ofc in high ranks people know to shut her the fuck down so she struggles a lot more
Anti-mage is absolutely not 100% phyiscal damage BSJ... if you pick him into certain short range into heros his mana void wilil actually often out damage his teamfight right click damage.
Mana void is just there to finish 1 hero. After that its back to basic atk.
go look at your dota plus breakdowns. you'll see many games mana void deals more damage than your autos@@Doflaminguard
ref
Great, i can spam visage against void haha
Around 300 games on visage here and I would never want to pick it against Void unless you can chain stun with birds (if you get 6 without feeding). He just timewalks from the W and the overall laning, unless you have a god pos4, can just be a disaster. I'm talking offlane Visage. Whats the strat here if you don't mind me asking? Void just gets manta for the Bloodthorn/chill, BKB, high armor agi items, chronos when you try to push the tower.. Can't see it working unless you play it mid and or your team wins all lanes and pushes when you peak.
i knew it about fv. I was playing as sup 4, banning fv, and turnned out he's not banned, so I picked him. The whole team started to flame me but in the end I am the one who carry to victory.
I think while the tooltip shows a reduction for fury swipes it doesn't actually reduce it from my testing. So Ursa is better than BSJ thinks lol.
Either way it's really fucking stupid Mage Slayer affects item damage like Radiance, it doesn't even make sense, they aren't spells.
wtf you talking about ... marci is broken as fuck
In herald
I liked and i commented
No Abaddon? Lol just shows how much BSJ is overrated imo
so many carries missing from this list, light content
Just cause you play silencer pos 1 in herald bracket doesn’t mean it should be on the tier list
What viable carries are missing? almost the entire hero pool is on here?
@@LewisMR2they love the silencer abbadon pos1.
I don't play either of those and I'm not herald
so what's your suggestion for carry that is missing from the tier list
@@itsPicoDeGuyYooooo
The most stupid tier list ive ever seen, how the fuck morphling not class s, he is the most broken hero right now, and counters void, btw bsj cant play morphling
this guys takes are so bad