There is a Peter Kay story where two Northerners have gone to a chip shop in the south and asked in succession for mushy peas, curry sauce and gravy, when told they don't have any of them the Northerner exclaims " Has tha nowt moist?"
I'm 61 and live in the south east and chip shops have always had mushy peas, curry sauce and some do scraps and baked beans but I don't recall ever seeing gravy in a chip shop here in the south in my lifetime
The differences between the North/South of England are historic - both by linguistically, racially and their attitude. This is because Anglo-Saxons prevailed in the South and Vikings in the North (as well as a lot of Celts/Welsh). The North was far from London and central government (for centuries they had their own council). Their lords and bishops were more powerful and there was always conflict with the Scots. There were (and still are) many dialects of English spoken from Derbyshire, the Black Country, Yorkshire, Geordie etc etc. As for me. a Welshman, if I were on a train and sitting opposite someone, I'd like him to be from the North - they are more friendly. talkative and humorous.
Actually the main language shift came from the Norman invasion. The south of the country switched to French vowel pronunciation while the North stuck with English pronunciation. The further North you travel the more English the pronunciation becomes, while the further south you go the more French pronunciation is used. Interestingly Geordies actually speak the oldest remaining and most traditional form of English, with around 80% of the dialect coming directly from old anglo saxon, and even some reminants of ancient Roman from the days of Hadrians Wall, including "Gan Hyem" meaning "Going home" which came directly from ancient Roman, or the term "Netti" for 'Toilet' which was roman slang for the latin-italian term "Gabinetti" ....or toilet.
it is very common in Liverpool for strangers to have full on conversations whilst on a train or waiting at a bus stop and it is quite normal over here that if you are lost and trying to find somewhere (say you have just arrived and are looking for your hotel) then a lot of scousers would probably walk you to your destination and provide an ad-hoc sightseeing tour along the way. I would also say that the people from Liverpool are a lot more politically aware of governmental policies and tactics than most other places - due to us being screwed over so many times in the past by certain political parties
The Curry situation is apparently far superior in the UK to what you get in the U.S (obviously there will be exceptions). I've seen many vloggers who've tried it, being surprised how different it is to what you get in the U.S . (this is based on what I've seen, I have no opinion either way)
I've eaten in Indian restaurants all over the US, and have never had a decent curry there! My cousin once took me to an Indian restaurant in North Carolina, and it was so bland that I had to cover it in salt to get any flavour out of it. Yet she had the same dish, and thought it was too spicy! That said though, I've had some incredible Mexican food in the US, yet any Mexican food I've had here in the UK has been mediocre at best.
The curry in the US is truly dreadful and not even similar to anything we get here in the UK, they don't actually have Indian curry, the curry they do have is Chinese but very different from our UK Chinese curries.
I suspect, Connor, that you may not have had a decent curry ... yet. India has some of the best breads in the world and curry can be very flavourful, and not necessarily hot. Happy Christmas, Connor.
I’m a Wiganner, so as industrial north as it gets. We have beautiful people and beautiful countryside. Most mornings I put my flat cap on, get my whippet and walk down to the betting shop.
Wondering Wolter! Not got a clue of the real UK. 😂😂 . Of course there are many differences between/within areas. Indian food cooked for the British palate is wonderful. OMG the more I listen to this silly man called Wolter, should be Walter but there we go. He didn't really have a chance.😂😂😂
I'm from London and something I've noticed all my life is people keep to themselves in the city streets but once you enter one of the many parks and wooded areas of London, people immediately start saying hello and smiling at each other!
We've been in existence for a long time. Hundreds of years before the internal combustion engine. Which America was built upon this issue. We have existed since villages were a days walk away and so travelling wasnt a big thing unless you were in the Royal Navy etc. It's a perspective that Americans cannot measure. I can go into my local town and see buildings from the 15 century.
I live in the midlands, in shropshire but i consider myself a northerner because i say bath instead of barth like a southerner lol. But northerners would say im not cos i spell mum or mam as mom, which is considered an american spelling, but mom is a very common way to spell it here in the midlands 😂
You're both correct about the weather Connor. It's basically a north west verses south east split but probably more an east/west thing than a north/south thing (for England and Wales only). For example, Cardiff is further south and west than my home town of Sheffield but has much higher rainfall levels.
You're actually quite correct there. Without going into too much detail, the humid air brought by the Gulf stream and winds hits Wales and the west first, with the higher hills causing more rain to fall, leaving drier air for the east. The east tends to be colder in winter and warmer in summer due to clearer air and less cloud. I saw an interesting piece by the Met office about it years ago. Was quite in depth.
Yes the rain is partly an east west thing, but there is also a north south thing. Now maybe theres a 'weather front' type answer for that, but also, the north is... more north. So its cooler, gets a bit less daylight in winter etc.
Yeah. It stands to reason that the weather changes as you go further north. The east-west thing is less well-known. Even then, there are lots of micro-climates around the shop.
Preston, Lancashire here. It rains a lot. I think you're right about there being more rain in the west but I think being further north brings more too 😄People tend to say hi or smile when they cross paths in less populated places but not so much in the city. You'd be there all day if you had to greet everyone you walked past! My favourite difference between the south and north has to be the accents. Most Americans wouldn't know that we say the 'a' in words like 'bath' more like you do than like a Southerner would and that we don't make a distinction between the vowels in 'cup' and 'foot' whereas Americans and Southerners do! It's very neat 😄
I don't think the friendliness thing comes from more people - there are many rural areas in the south and many big cities in the north, like Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, etc. The north-west, where both Manchester and Liverpool are, is among the most densely populated regions in the UK with over 8 million people - yet it is one of the friendliest, particularly Liverpool.
I think you’re spot on there… a large city, like London, commuters especially will keep themselves to themselves so people may come across as being unfriendly… I’d imagine New York may be similar in that respect
Yeah especially if you're like me ... when getting on a bus or train you always seem to attract the nutters, can be twenty empty seats but the nutter will always want to sit down next to you. Best thing is keep your head down and don't make eye contact with anybody, then your journey will be as smooth as silk.
I was once asked by a Northerner why I pronounce bath with an invisible 'r' (so it rhymes with Darth). I said, 'What about what you put in the bath? That's got an invisible 'r' in it that you pronounce.' He said, 'What, coal?'
If you were to pick one line that split the Midlands it would go diagonally from the Severn Estuary to The Wash. The difference in character is this, the South is focused on one major city, London and much of that which surrounds it is economically dependent on it. In addition you have the most productive farmland and the other major cities are ports. The North has multiple industrial cities and towns all of which grew during the Industrial revolution, and have lost their old industry. Around them are upland areas with poor quality farmland and tye ports are fewer, and we're tied to the industrial past. From a visitors point of view there are more historic sites but the North has the better scenery.
Coventry for my money is the line. Leamington spa + Stratford feel south. Someone else did an interesting video and it did go just south of Coventry but not in a straight line
The North does have better scenery. The Lake District, The Pennines, the Peak District, Northumberland, and great historic towns like York, Durham, Carlisle, etc. Chester and Lincoln are lovely too, but I'm not sure if they would be counted as North.
At the top of the hill leading out of Weymouth (south coast), there used to be a sign reading, 'Welcome to the North'. It disappeared a few years ago, but even without it, people here think Reading is in the North.
Indian food is fantastic, but you can get good and bad restaurants. Most Indian restaurants in U.K. are good with amazing flavours and this is why we love it sooo much.
North mostly poor. South. Rich , yet us in the north helped fund the great British empire. And since then they have forgotten about the north I say us in the north should try for our independence again as we were once part of the kingdom of Northumbria our own country see how the South like that, They can stop taking our money and stop making decisions for us,
Chip shop curry sauce is its own thing. It has no real relation to a proper curry, but it is great with chips. It’s also not a north/south thing. Gravy though is. Always in the north, rarely in the south. Yes there used to be a lot of north above Liverpool. I’m over2 hours north of Liverpool and there’s another 4 hours above me. We view Manchester and Liverpool as being on the north/south boarder. My wife views northerness as being a state of mind, so she views Cornwall as being northers as they also get forgotten about in London.
Well, coming from Derby (East Midlands) but living in Dorset now, I am considered a northerner. While I'm sure people from way up north do consider us southerners, I never really hear that, but down here, oh, we're northerners without a doubt. Given that Derby was one of the Five Boroughs of Danelaw, I suppose that we were more closely related to the North than the South. Chip shops in Derby will sell you a bean mix, pea mix, curry mix, etc. That is, a tray of chips with a portion of whatever put on top. I think that name - not the concept - is unique to the city. Indian food is far more than just 'curry'.
I’m a Brit living in Australia and Funnily enough yesterday I met a Scouser from Liverpool we had the usual banter that I was from the Posh part of England THE SOUTH it was inevitable that he said it 🤗counties , cities seem to have that divide very strange isn’t it ? ?Even the city I live in Perth Western Australia . Reason being I suppose is that mostly labour working people live in the South and the more Up market live on the North side a bridge divides it with a beautiful river running under it . The divide in England has always been from Birmingham the start of the Midlands upwards as far as border of Scotland where all the industrialised cities are from the Industrial Revolution Sheffield Manchester Bradford etc Smokey , gloomy places and Slums galore then ,in the 1800’s , but not thanks to Mrs Thatcher. All that was destroyed and changed with hardly any of theses work places existing now putting the North into dire straits very unfortunate making that divide even worse , but there is still this SILLY STIGMA exists , the dialects is one of the reasons Geordie is one of them With the factories gone it’s turned into a most beautiful destination to visit also the Coal mines are all gone but the reputation of being the poor North trundles along and the old not quite a Vendetta exits in the minds of theses Two sides 🥺🤔🤷♀️
While it's true that there is an east and west difference in rainfall the south definitely gets better weather over all. For the north/south line, I'd draw it right through Luton. Anywhere south of that line a Northerner becomes a tourist lol.
I think that you've opened a can of worms, here. For UK local rivalries see also Yorkshire vs Lancashire, where we both pretend to hate each other, even though it's just banter, and it totally bemuses outsiders. For an example do a UA-cam search on 'Hitler's trip to Yorkshire' which Yorkshire people tend to find very funny, if it's available in the US. I'm sure that other UK regions have long standing local rivalries. The North vs South thing is, to an extent, a reflection of a feeling that London gets too much money, but some cities in The North, such as Leeds and Manchester, are very prosperous and have some very high paying jobs.
As a Yorkshireman, so from the north of England. I think it’s been mainly down to investment from the British government, that may have levelled a bit now. But for the vast majority of England the south has always been better funded. That is just one reason but I think a big one
I worked in Silicon Valley when the area was growing quickly. Of all the workforces that I have worked with, people from the North of England are most similar to Silicon Valley in their approach to problem solving. Northerners set aside differences when seeking a common cause, in fact they always see opportunities, just like Californians. They place a high value on education and there is a strong sense of community, forged from the hardships endured in the earliest days of the Industrial Revolution and the Peterloo Massacre. Northerners would be the first to volunteer to serve in a time of national crisis, the first to check on their neighbours to make sure that they are well, the first to find innovative ways of creating solutions. In that regard, they are very much like the Scots, they both place Methodist ethics at the centre of their values and actions. The South has a culture that is equally powerful, but embraces conservative thinking, always checking future actions against historical outcomes. It is a strategy that is effective for making orderly progress, eliminating extremes and avoiding social conflict. Southern conservatism provides stability and an ethical 'checklist' created over a period of a thousand years.
I identify as "Midlander" and my personal pronouns are "ee", "im" and "iz-en". I realise that the concept of splitting England up into more than two regions is a difficult concept for many, and I apologise for any head-exploding that may result.
I’m quite relatively young, I’ve definitely heard about the North/South divide in our country, but in my life time definitely, it’s become more London/rest of the country divide. There are place down south that if you described them on paper in terms of local culture, struggles, personality, you’d more than likely associate them with the Northern places more. Due to the constant underfunding and stripping of services, I have seen that these places have become more Northern on paper, and that’s not because of a change in these places but because there has been a constant boost to London and a constant ignorance of these places and so they’ve become more historically “northern” in there treatment. You can even see the same phenomenon with certain areas of Greater London.
I’m from the Midlands, on the border of Staffordshire and Derbyshire. I’m definitely say where I’m from is more culturally northern, but we get abuse from both sides 😂
Hi Connor, I think many comments about the South are pointed at London, rather than just the South. The bit about Football, being more tribal in the North, I think can be explained by there being 7 (of the 20) Premier League Clubs in London, other Cities may have 2. There are also 17 League clubs in London and some non league, they are very tribal, but you also need to live quite close to rivals. Some northern clubs are/were split on Religious basis (Protestant/Catholic), I don't think that's true for London, other than Spurs (Jewish), I could be wrong.
If anything, being used to seeing people would make people more likely to engage, and less likely if they're not as used to it. I think it's because there's so many people in the South, they can't know as many people, so don't get as many opportunities to talk to others. People in the North know most people in their town or village, so talk more, and find it easier to talk to anyone they don't know
In Scotland these days the divide is more between West Coast and East Coast (I guess you could say that the East roughly corresponds to the English south and the West to the English North, but that's a massive oversimplification). Previous centuries there was a big divide between Highlands and Lowlands but that's less important now.
East and South generally has the drier warmer climate the West and North generally has the wetter colder climate. The North and West also generally have more overcast skies. Southern half of the country is warmer than the Northern half of the country most of the time.
I believe it goes back to the Danelaw . Alfred the great saved Wessex from the Vikings but he didn’t have the ability to conquer the north and it stayed under Viking control. This lasted for about 4 generations and altered peoples accent. This Danelaw existed above a diagonal line from Chester to London
I have watched quite a few of Wolter's videos. It's best to take what he says with a pinch of salt. It depends where you live as to where YOU consider the North South divide to be ! Londoners think anything North of WATFORD is " the North" . The Lake District is in " the North". Southerners can't compete with that ! There ISN'T a Northern accent ! There are MANY. A pint of beer in my town is £3.50. In London you can triple the price !! HOW MANY TIMES !!?? CHIPS ARE NOT FRENCH FRIES AND FRENCH FRIES ARE NOT CHIPS !! Chips and grated cheese, gravy, curry sauce or mince. If you think that Indian restaurants are over rated...you are going to the wrong ones !!
A few years ago a pint of beer was £1.50. Yes to chips, cheese and gravy, with curry it's nice with blobs of kashmiri chilli pickle on top from a jar of mr Vikkis from Booths. American curry is probably short on authentic spices and sweetened with that corn syrup poison
The south is for sure a more expensive place to live. Rent prices are for sure higher. But also property values are higher. A higher proportion of government infrastructure projects focus on improving London and the south of England to the detriment of the North. Worker are paid less in the North. Tourism isnt likely to be the driving factor for London to be so expensive. But when tourist season rolls round in any UK town or City. The prices will go up to take advantage of the extra footfall. Northern Language is more common and casual sounding. The posher more Norman (French) derived words tended to not penetrate as far north. A southener would call their main meal before bed their Dinner, Like Dejuner. A Northerner would have there Tea. Indian Food in the UK is next lever. Since the empire days there have been generations of Indian immigrants improving the bland British palette. Chicken Tikka Masala is absolutely bangin. Not everyone loves football. AND FINALLY. Rain falls more easily at higher altitudes. Looking at Britain the three highest parts are around Snowdonia in Wales to the West. The Scottish Highlands to the Far north. And The Pennines running through the centre of Northern England. Separating Yorkshire and Lancashire.
It's not just north and south - England has a number of fairly distinct regions that really want a degree of some official recognition and devolved governance. What southerners describe as "The North" is mainly Lancashire and Yorkshire, with perhaps Cumbria and most of Derbyshire thrown-in., as well as "The Potteries," which are actually the northern part of Staffordshire; and including the cities of Manchester, Stoke-on-Trent, Liverpool, Blackpool, Preston, Bradford, Leeds, Wakefield, Doncaster, Hull, and Sheffield thrown-in. "The North East," comprising of Northumbria and County Durham and including the cities of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Sunderland, Durham, Hartlepool and Middlesborough, is quite distinct; as is the West Midlands: Birmingham, Coventry, Wolverhampton, South Straffordshire, the Black Country, Shropshire, Northamptonshire, Warwickshire and Worcestershire; the East Midlands: Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire, South Derbyshire, Lincolnshire and Rutland; East Anglia - Norfolk, Suffolk & Cambridgeshire; and the West Country: Devon, Cornwall, Dorset, Somerset, Bristol, South Gloucestershire and including the major cities of Bristol, Bath, Exeter & Plymouth - and all the rest being considered as London and the South East. Yes, they all have differrent accents, but its mostly to do with the poverty divide, educational and employment status, health and social class. Scotland doesn't have such great divides, as mostly-friendly rivalries - and mainly it's a Glasgow - Edinburgh thing, although I'd not be surprised if people from the highlands and islands might plead their cases against both, too. There's a quite significant north-south divide within Wales, and we all know how Northern Ireland is also divided, albeit for slightly different reasons... Glaswegians have an affectionate but mildly offensive term for highlanders - teuchters - for example; and also claim there's more fun to be had at a Glasgow funeral than at an Edinburgh wedding...!!! The important thing to realise however, is that each of these regions have different ideas about what constitutes each definition - and it is there that I would suggest, where the real arguments are. For example, a friend who was born and raised in Kent, claims to be a member of a very ordinary, everyday working class family. Only, they all speak what most of us in the regions would consider to be "Proper English," (that is, Received Pronunciation), and he and his two siblings have all been to university. Indeed, he was at Cambridge! And from where I'm sitting, there's precious little that's working class about that...!! I daresay that relative to many of the others in Royal Tunbridge Wells, they were very ordinary - but working class? Perhaps by the definition that his parents' jobs were more practical and not requiring major entry qualifications at the time they began; but of course even the unskilled labourers in Kent have a far-greater availability of work and therefore decent, reliable incomes that can buy modest homes - by the standards of the area; and their children of the 1980s and 90s will have been infinitely better provided for than their parent's generation is likely to have been. Working class in the regions however, tends to depend on the continued viability of mostly single-industry and supply-industry employers, Hence the two million miners whom Margaret Thatcher's government rendered long-term unemployed owing to the closure of all their mines - in South Wales, the East Midlands, Yorkshire, the North East and Central Scotland in particular, quickly sank beneath the poverty line in the absence of any alternative employment sources... And I think the main issue is, Southerners simply don't see the extent of damage that these government policies inflicted upon these kinds of heavily industrialise places, that are well off any touring map...! With people having less money, local shops and businesses closed down, there was less for young people to do and hanging around as teenagers led towards more serious social problems such as drug use and then crime, which they needed to turn to in order to fund their habits - and within the first decade, the entire fabric of hundreds of such communities was just gone! Even now - 40 years later, it is mainly local government and NHS employment that is available - and nothing like as well-paid as mining, or shipping, or steel-working, etc., was a generation ago. The northerners don't recognise the significant percentage of working-class southerners because they're so much better off, and the southerners think all the northerners are workshy layabouts who just claim state benefits instead of going out and getting a job, because they simply can't imagine a world where there are no jobs!
You are correct regarding rainfall between east and west. The west tends to have more downpour. I am from Newcastle, which is true north. I agree that Liverpool barely constitutes the north.
Scotland divides itself by the central belt versus the rest of the country both north and south of that stretch of country ( which is really a rift valley lying between the northern and southern upland faults). There is a strong divide between Glasgow ( in the west) and Edinburgh (in the east ) within that central belt.
Connor you've excelled yourself once again you've managed to get the north south divide mixed up with Ireland Scotland tourism Chinese food Indian food and boiled rice anything but what it actually is wouldn't care the guy has just explained it all to you!!!
If you divide the country in 2 by mileage then places like Leeds, Manchester , liverpool etc are actually in the Midlands . Liverpool is closer to Bristol than it is to Newcastle
I’ve spent half my adult life living in the north and half in the south. If I took a northern approach to speaking with strangers in London, I’d never stop. I think the stereotype has a grain of truth, but it’s overblown. You can still strike up conversations with people, but they’re likely to be briefer and you’re more likely to have ‘private shared moments’ (for example, catching someone’s eye on a train when someone is being embarrassing and sharing the social horror in solidarity). I’m probably a bit biased though: I grew up in the south in a village environment where everyone knew each others business, and I have the gregarious type of ADHD so maybe I’m just the one forcing uncomfortable Londoners to have conversations. Then again, I live in the East End which is the most extroverted bit of London too.
On the Indian food thing, I’ve had Indian food in the US a couple of times and it wasn’t great. I imagine it’s a similar feeling to Americans coming the UK and having Mexican food (which was great in California at least, for flavour anyway even if it did destroy my diabetes control). And if it is long grained rice you have an issue with, try with a good naan or chapatti or have a dosa instead (next time you’re in the UK anyway). Ok, now I’m hungry…
In London the big museums and art galleries are generally free to enter so I would disagree with him there.I'm with you on the curry front Connor but I would say we are in a minority. Seasons Greetings to you and yours from the 'disowned' Midlands or as someone said to me at work today " 'Ave a good un "
Citys do not encourage casual friendly chat people are in a rush. I live in the East Midlands. Not the north (england), or south (england), or the West (midlands).
I don't know about Scotland, but there is definitely a North/South divide in Wales. The North being far more rural and quite a bit poorer than the South, where the big cities are. There are cultural differences too... The Welsh language is much more widely spoken in the North, and in many cases is still people's first language. The two ends generally don't get on either. With Southerners referring to Northerners as "gogs" (from the Welsh gogledd, meaning north), and Northerners calling Southerners "hwntw" which roughly translates as something like "those people over there." 😂
I was born in in the North (near Manchester), spent a lot of my childhood in the South, and have lived most of my life in the Midlands. What I would say is that even the English underestimate the differences between areas. These differences are subtle, a lot to do with ways of doing things, and what is socially acceptable; but they lead to confusion. Londoners do irritate me, because they just assume that things are done in a certain way, when other parts of the country don't do it like that. They also are surprisingly ignorant about the rest of the country.
Londoners are disinterested, not ignorant of the north. You never hear a Londoner/southerner say ‘ we’re nicer, better or friendlier’, but northerners say it all the time. Why? I was born in the north (Westmoreland) but raised from the age of 7 in London and the south east, so I’ve no dog in this race.
In Scotland the divide is more a rivalry between Glasgow (the biggest city) and Edinburgh (the capital city). I think you're probably right about the city size vs friendliness thing. New York, London... even Auckland here in New Zealand... have reputations for being less friendly. And if you think curry in the US is too strong, you won't want to eat curry in the UK - much hotter! As far as football in the north, there's a famous quote from former Liverpool manager Bill Shankly: "Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that.”
Im from Manchester North West of England one of my uncles was married to a lady from the South Rye EastnSussex she was a lovely lady. There are nice and not so nice people wherever you go in this world.
It is a west versus east thing, it's also a north versus south thing. Dunno, I'm east in the middle and we're practically a desert at this point so.. Rain shadow is a confirmed thing and Great Britain is heavily affected by it.
The East gets snow the West gets rain there are local rivalries as some Northern towns have 2 teams and others are just across a road ie Manchester and Salford also Stockport to the south.
I agree with you regarding the difference between Indian and Chinese cooking. However, if you know where to go you can dine perfectly well on British food provided you either know the area, or (if you're a tourist) check Google comments beforehand. I've had many amazing dishes in towns I don't know too well and at very reasonable prices.!
Politics for instance is based in London and that is to be expected but because politicians are over interested in their career there is something quoted by both the media and the people called "London Elite" where it is thought that the politicians concentrate too much on London and the South in general and for many years the North and their votes were taken for granted as in general terms both historical and modern day events ie: the "coal strike" would mean that Labour could take the North as being Socialists [speaking general terms again] then there was Brexit and the North in general voted to leave and the Conservatives offered freedom from the E.U. [for selfish political reasons in the belief the people would vote to stay in the E.U.] right or wrong is not a factor here as the majority of politicians did not wish to leave even though they said otherwise but politicians do that of course. This made stereotyping even more significant in the North South divide and may play a part in the next election which Labour are expected to win. Basically there is a social divide and regardless of what people say there is still a class divide.
as a northerner I don't think of the north/south divide as being so much related to the people from those places. I have plenty of friends and family from down south...all great people. the issue the north has is more with Westminster and them underfunding the north...always used to be seen as the poor north and rich south...nowadays however with the crazy property prices down south and the cost of living there I never really feel too hard done to. Even the stuff they say about southerners being rude/unfriendly I find not to be true especially once you get outside central London where everyone seems in a rush lol. They're still a load of pansies like lol
Connor, it's not a big city thing that makes people talk to strangers. Go to Manchester or Leeds (3rd and 4th biggest English cities) and the people will talk to you. I've never had a good curry in the US. I tried a few times. West coast is wetter than East coast but North is wetter and colder generally than the South.
Living in the south and married to a northerner I can definitely say it’s hotter in the south other than that there are nice people all over the world including the north🤣
Obviously the North is the best! Not sure if it's the same in the US but us Brits like our chips we must annoy Chinese/ Indians because we order chips with their foods all the time.
I'm a Southerner and think Northerners are more friendly generally, London... well that place is just damn well rude, not even a please or thankyou in the shops, wants a 50ft tall wall building around it, i mean its not even English anymore.
The UK is a rich tapestry of culture, custom, traditions and languages and we all accept to a large degree our differences. BUT the N/S divide is contentious. IMO its mainly about income and opportunity where us from the north are envious of a perceived imbalance in political and economic opportunities which favours London and the "south". Here's a comedy link to lighten the mood featuring a news report of a rampaging northerner in London ua-cam.com/video/PT0ay9u1gg4/v-deo.html
Perhaps football is thought of as a working class sport the North South divide comes into play regards there being more passion in the North which may or may not be true but it is another factor that can be used by people to enhance the divide with many players being multi millionaires times have changed as well as degrees of hypocrisy.
No we don't, we do chips with salt and vinegar, and ketchup if it's to our liking. Personally I prefer pie, mash and liquor, but fish and chips is a good second best.
I knew gravy wasn't usually on the menu but didn't know you don't do mushy peas. I don't like them much anyway, give me chips, cheese and gravy or curry sauce
I don't care for Chinese foods. I enjoy curries though. I don't think you've had a decent Indian curry, Connor. If course, yiu might say the same re Chinese foods to me. Maybe ...but I really just like _plain_ boiled _long_grain_ rice. (short grain rice suits desserts like rice pudding better). And I like thick chunky chips much better than skinny f?French fries!
Birmingham is neither North nor South - the word 'Midlands' is very accurate. But the prices are already way, way down. In London, you need to consult with locals like myself to dine well and cheaply.
The difference between north snc south is that down south they are mote migrants . None english . But in the north we are more english . Plus we in the north work harder and are much more pleasant down south they wont talk to you in the street were as in the north we talk to people on the street .i liveand was born in Manchester in the north but i worked gor 23 years diwn south around london and Stevenage
Why iis football more passionate in the North? Socio economic reasons. The North has never had the general wealth of the South (especially London) what was a hobby or a passion to fans of Arsenal was a way to ignore grim reality in Liverpool or Newcastle. Club success allowed a city to feel good and it's people clung to the clubs because of it
I'm a northern lass born in Hull but I live in Leeds both Yorkshire cities. We call southerners softies a little bit of snow and the world is ending ten foot of snow and we say to put a coat on 😅 plus they are ignorant don't talk we're more friendly 😊
There is a Peter Kay story where two Northerners have gone to a chip shop in the south and asked in succession for mushy peas, curry sauce and gravy, when told they don't have any of them the Northerner exclaims " Has tha nowt moist?"
I asked for scraps. Might aswell have spoken French.
@@InquisitiveBaldMan ... Scraps are available in chip shops everywhere down South, very common indeed.
They do all 3 in my local chippy and everyone I've had as a local chippy in my 53 years.
I'm 61 and live in the south east and chip shops have always had mushy peas, curry sauce and some do scraps and baked beans but I don't recall ever seeing gravy in a chip shop here in the south in my lifetime
@@terryodell9803 gravy everywhere In the south
The differences between the North/South of England are historic - both by linguistically, racially and their attitude. This is because Anglo-Saxons prevailed in the South and Vikings in the North (as well as a lot of Celts/Welsh). The North was far from London and central government (for centuries they had their own council). Their lords and bishops were more powerful and there was always conflict with the Scots. There were (and still are) many dialects of English spoken from Derbyshire, the Black Country, Yorkshire, Geordie etc etc. As for me. a Welshman, if I were on a train and sitting opposite someone, I'd like him to be from the North - they are more friendly. talkative and humorous.
Actually the main language shift came from the Norman invasion. The south of the country switched to French vowel pronunciation while the North stuck with English pronunciation. The further North you travel the more English the pronunciation becomes, while the further south you go the more French pronunciation is used. Interestingly Geordies actually speak the oldest remaining and most traditional form of English, with around 80% of the dialect coming directly from old anglo saxon, and even some reminants of ancient Roman from the days of Hadrians Wall, including "Gan Hyem" meaning "Going home" which came directly from ancient Roman, or the term "Netti" for 'Toilet' which was roman slang for the latin-italian term "Gabinetti" ....or toilet.
it is very common in Liverpool for strangers to have full on conversations whilst on a train or waiting at a bus stop and it is quite normal over here that if you are lost and trying to find somewhere (say you have just arrived and are looking for your hotel) then a lot of scousers would probably walk you to your destination and provide an ad-hoc sightseeing tour along the way.
I would also say that the people from Liverpool are a lot more politically aware of governmental policies and tactics than most other places - due to us being screwed over so many times in the past by certain political parties
"Neither want the Midlands associated with them!" As an East Midlander, that had me in stitches.
Welshman who lives in the South Midlands and I join in with your laughter😂
@@fleshen ditto here from a Kiwi who's a former resident of Northants :)
I think its more true that the Midlands doesnt want to be lumped in with either the North or the South!
@@wobagukas midlander born and bred, who now lives in Wales, that's more the truth.
The Curry situation is apparently far superior in the UK to what you get in the U.S (obviously there will be exceptions). I've seen many vloggers who've tried it, being surprised how different it is to what you get in the U.S . (this is based on what I've seen, I have no opinion either way)
I've eaten in Indian restaurants all over the US, and have never had a decent curry there! My cousin once took me to an Indian restaurant in North Carolina, and it was so bland that I had to cover it in salt to get any flavour out of it. Yet she had the same dish, and thought it was too spicy!
That said though, I've had some incredible Mexican food in the US, yet any Mexican food I've had here in the UK has been mediocre at best.
The curry in the US is truly dreadful and not even similar to anything we get here in the UK, they don't actually have Indian curry, the curry they do have is Chinese but very different from our UK Chinese curries.
I suspect, Connor, that you may not have had a decent curry ... yet. India has some of the best breads in the world and curry can be very flavourful, and not necessarily hot.
Happy Christmas, Connor.
I live in America, I moved here in 2000 and I agree, curry here in America when you can find it isn't very good, so that's more than likely true
I’m a Wiganner, so as industrial north as it gets. We have beautiful people and beautiful countryside. Most mornings I put my flat cap on, get my whippet and walk down to the betting shop.
For a dripping butty, presumably?
Wondering Wolter! Not got a clue of the real UK. 😂😂 . Of course there are many differences between/within areas.
Indian food cooked for the British palate is wonderful. OMG the more I listen to this silly man called Wolter, should be Walter but there we go. He didn't really have a chance.😂😂😂
I live on the south coast, as far as I"m concerned you all blinking Northerners! :😜
Pompey fans are just as passionate as any up North .
If you're from the North, you've won the lottery. I'm a Geordie, say no more
I'm from London and something I've noticed all my life is people keep to themselves in the city streets but once you enter one of the many parks and wooded areas of London, people immediately start saying hello and smiling at each other!
The is no winner, we are all in the same boat. London v the rest of England might be different.
We've been in existence for a long time. Hundreds of years before the internal combustion engine. Which America was built upon this issue.
We have existed since villages were a days walk away and so travelling wasnt a big thing unless you were in the Royal Navy etc.
It's a perspective that Americans cannot measure. I can go into my local town and see buildings from the 15 century.
I live in the midlands, in shropshire but i consider myself a northerner because i say bath instead of barth like a southerner lol. But northerners would say im not cos i spell mum or mam as mom, which is considered an american spelling, but mom is a very common way to spell it here in the midlands 😂
I am a southerner and it's barff.
@@neilgayleard3842 yep lol
6.51 Pudding Chips & Gravy are my favourite. looks like he's in Liverpool, Liver building at the back
You're both correct about the weather Connor. It's basically a north west verses south east split but probably more an east/west thing than a north/south thing (for England and Wales only). For example, Cardiff is further south and west than my home town of Sheffield but has much higher rainfall levels.
You're actually quite correct there. Without going into too much detail, the humid air brought by the Gulf stream and winds hits Wales and the west first, with the higher hills causing more rain to fall, leaving drier air for the east.
The east tends to be colder in winter and warmer in summer due to clearer air and less cloud. I saw an interesting piece by the Met office about it years ago. Was quite in depth.
Yes the rain is partly an east west thing, but there is also a north south thing. Now maybe theres a 'weather front' type answer for that, but also, the north is... more north. So its cooler, gets a bit less daylight in winter etc.
Yeah. It stands to reason that the weather changes as you go further north. The east-west thing is less well-known. Even then, there are lots of micro-climates around the shop.
...and frankly, we Midlanders don't want much to do with those on either side.
Preston, Lancashire here. It rains a lot. I think you're right about there being more rain in the west but I think being further north brings more too 😄People tend to say hi or smile when they cross paths in less populated places but not so much in the city. You'd be there all day if you had to greet everyone you walked past! My favourite difference between the south and north has to be the accents. Most Americans wouldn't know that we say the 'a' in words like 'bath' more like you do than like a Southerner would and that we don't make a distinction between the vowels in 'cup' and 'foot' whereas Americans and Southerners do! It's very neat 😄
I don't think the friendliness thing comes from more people - there are many rural areas in the south and many big cities in the north, like Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, etc. The north-west, where both Manchester and Liverpool are, is among the most densely populated regions in the UK with over 8 million people - yet it is one of the friendliest, particularly Liverpool.
I think you’re spot on there… a large city, like London, commuters especially will keep themselves to themselves so people may come across as being unfriendly… I’d imagine New York may be similar in that respect
Yeah especially if you're like me ... when getting on a bus or train you always seem to attract the nutters, can be twenty empty seats but the nutter will always want to sit down next to you. Best thing is keep your head down and don't make eye contact with anybody, then your journey will be as smooth as silk.
I was once asked by a Northerner why I pronounce bath with an invisible 'r' (so it rhymes with Darth). I said, 'What about what you put in the bath? That's got an invisible 'r' in it that you pronounce.'
He said, 'What, coal?'
Clearly, you are as old as the hills...
If you were to pick one line that split the Midlands it would go diagonally from the Severn Estuary to The Wash. The difference in character is this, the South is focused on one major city, London and much of that which surrounds it is economically dependent on it. In addition you have the most productive farmland and the other major cities are ports. The North has multiple industrial cities and towns all of which grew during the Industrial revolution, and have lost their old industry. Around them are upland areas with poor quality farmland and tye ports are fewer, and we're tied to the industrial past. From a visitors point of view there are more historic sites but the North has the better scenery.
"Better scenery "? I'm guessing that's just a personal opinion and not fact.
Coventry for my money is the line. Leamington spa + Stratford feel south. Someone else did an interesting video and it did go just south of Coventry but not in a straight line
The North does have better scenery. The Lake District, The Pennines, the Peak District, Northumberland, and great historic towns like York, Durham, Carlisle, etc. Chester and Lincoln are lovely too, but I'm not sure if they would be counted as North.
When Brian Sewell, an art critic, was asked where “Up North” begins, he replied anywhere outside of zone 1 on the London tube map!
At the top of the hill leading out of Weymouth (south coast), there used to be a sign reading, 'Welcome to the North'. It disappeared a few years ago, but even without it, people here think Reading is in the North.
Londoners and Geordies would have you believe 98% of the country is the midlands
Indian food is fantastic, but you can get good and bad restaurants. Most Indian restaurants in U.K. are good with amazing flavours and this is why we love it sooo much.
North mostly poor. South. Rich , yet us in the north helped fund the great British empire. And since then they have forgotten about the north
I say us in the north should try for our independence again as we were once part of the kingdom of Northumbria our own country see how the South like that,
They can stop taking our money and stop making decisions for us,
Despite our differences we all agree that chips are a good thing.
As a Northerner, DON'T get me started on bloody Londoners
As a Southerner, don't get me started on Northerners who think the South and London are interchangeable.
I said London, not the south@@christopherscott5093
You'll be hard pressed to find someone who speaks English in London.
And here we have an example of the famously friendly northerners! 😂 also, not all southerners are Londoners
When did I say that@@oufc90
Is he talking about the South or just London?
It felt like he was calling all the South London, which was really annoying as a Southerner. Every county/town is different.
Chip shop curry sauce is its own thing. It has no real relation to a proper curry, but it is great with chips. It’s also not a north/south thing. Gravy though is. Always in the north, rarely in the south.
Yes there used to be a lot of north above Liverpool. I’m over2 hours north of Liverpool and there’s another 4 hours above me. We view Manchester and Liverpool as being on the north/south boarder.
My wife views northerness as being a state of mind, so she views Cornwall as being northers as they also get forgotten about in London.
Well, coming from Derby (East Midlands) but living in Dorset now, I am considered a northerner. While I'm sure people from way up north do consider us southerners, I never really hear that, but down here, oh, we're northerners without a doubt. Given that Derby was one of the Five Boroughs of Danelaw, I suppose that we were more closely related to the North than the South.
Chip shops in Derby will sell you a bean mix, pea mix, curry mix, etc. That is, a tray of chips with a portion of whatever put on top. I think that name - not the concept - is unique to the city. Indian food is far more than just 'curry'.
Curry in the Midlands is a necessity.
Curry sauce and chips is necessary.
We have a lot of Indian influences. Especially in the Midlands.
I’m a Brit living in Australia and Funnily enough yesterday I met a Scouser from Liverpool we had the usual banter that I was from the Posh part of England THE SOUTH it was inevitable that he said it 🤗counties , cities seem to have that divide very strange isn’t it ? ?Even the city I live in Perth Western Australia . Reason being I suppose is that mostly labour working people live in the South and the more Up market live on the North side a bridge divides it with a beautiful river running under it . The divide in England has always been from Birmingham the start of the Midlands upwards as far as border of Scotland where all the industrialised cities are from the Industrial Revolution Sheffield Manchester Bradford etc Smokey , gloomy places and Slums galore then ,in the 1800’s , but not thanks to Mrs Thatcher. All that was destroyed and changed with hardly any of theses work places existing now putting the North into dire straits very unfortunate making that divide even worse , but there is still this SILLY STIGMA exists , the dialects is one of the reasons Geordie is one of them With the factories gone it’s turned into a most beautiful destination to visit also the Coal mines are all gone but the reputation of being the poor North trundles along and the old not quite a Vendetta exits in the minds of theses Two sides 🥺🤔🤷♀️
I've heard that UK Southerners, particularly Londoners, consider anywhere beyond Watford Gap to be 'The North'
While it's true that there is an east and west difference in rainfall the south definitely gets better weather over all. For the north/south line, I'd draw it right through Luton. Anywhere south of that line a Northerner becomes a tourist lol.
I think that you've opened a can of worms, here. For UK local rivalries see also Yorkshire vs Lancashire, where we both pretend to hate each other, even though it's just banter, and it totally bemuses outsiders. For an example do a UA-cam search on 'Hitler's trip to Yorkshire' which Yorkshire people tend to find very funny, if it's available in the US. I'm sure that other UK regions have long standing local rivalries. The North vs South thing is, to an extent, a reflection of a feeling that London gets too much money, but some cities in The North, such as Leeds and Manchester, are very prosperous and have some very high paying jobs.
As a Yorkshireman, so from the north of England. I think it’s been mainly down to investment from the British government, that may have levelled a bit now. But for the vast majority of England the south has always been better funded. That is just one reason but I think a big one
Shops do put prices up for tourism, but also because the rent is higher in the South
I worked in Silicon Valley when the area was growing quickly. Of all the workforces that I have worked with, people from the North of England are most similar to Silicon Valley in their approach to problem solving.
Northerners set aside differences when seeking a common cause, in fact they always see opportunities, just like Californians. They place a high value on education and there is a strong sense of community, forged from the hardships endured in the earliest days of the Industrial Revolution and the Peterloo Massacre.
Northerners would be the first to volunteer to serve in a time of national crisis, the first to check on their neighbours to make sure that they are well, the first to find innovative ways of creating solutions. In that regard, they are very much like the Scots, they both place Methodist ethics at the centre of their values and actions.
The South has a culture that is equally powerful, but embraces conservative thinking, always checking future actions against historical outcomes. It is a strategy that is effective for making orderly progress, eliminating extremes and avoiding social conflict. Southern conservatism provides stability and an ethical 'checklist' created over a period of a thousand years.
I identify as "Midlander" and my personal pronouns are "ee", "im" and "iz-en".
I realise that the concept of splitting England up into more than two regions is a difficult concept for many, and I apologise for any head-exploding that may result.
Not only north an south differences - but east and west. That goes for England, Wales & Scotland - and across the Irish Sea...
I’m quite relatively young, I’ve definitely heard about the North/South divide in our country, but in my life time definitely, it’s become more London/rest of the country divide. There are place down south that if you described them on paper in terms of local culture, struggles, personality, you’d more than likely associate them with the Northern places more. Due to the constant underfunding and stripping of services, I have seen that these places have become more Northern on paper, and that’s not because of a change in these places but because there has been a constant boost to London and a constant ignorance of these places and so they’ve become more historically “northern” in there treatment. You can even see the same phenomenon with certain areas of Greater London.
I’m from the Midlands, on the border of Staffordshire and Derbyshire. I’m definitely say where I’m from is more culturally northern, but we get abuse from both sides 😂
Hi Connor,
I think many comments about the South are pointed at London, rather than just the South.
The bit about Football, being more tribal in the North, I think can be explained by there being 7 (of the 20) Premier League Clubs in London, other Cities may have 2.
There are also 17 League clubs in London and some non league, they are very tribal, but you also need to live quite close to rivals.
Some northern clubs are/were split on Religious basis (Protestant/Catholic), I don't think that's true for London, other than Spurs (Jewish), I could be wrong.
There are so many beautiful places to visit in the UK i truly don’t know where to start.
If anything, being used to seeing people would make people more likely to engage, and less likely if they're not as used to it.
I think it's because there's so many people in the South, they can't know as many people, so don't get as many opportunities to talk to others. People in the North know most people in their town or village, so talk more, and find it easier to talk to anyone they don't know
In Scotland these days the divide is more between West Coast and East Coast (I guess you could say that the East roughly corresponds to the English south and the West to the English North, but that's a massive oversimplification). Previous centuries there was a big divide between Highlands and Lowlands but that's less important now.
Manchester is a big city but very friendly
East and South generally has the drier warmer climate the West and North generally has the wetter colder climate. The North and West also generally have more overcast skies. Southern half of the country is warmer than the Northern half of the country most of the time.
I believe it goes back to the Danelaw . Alfred the great saved Wessex from the Vikings but he didn’t have the ability to conquer the north and it stayed under Viking control. This lasted for about 4 generations and altered peoples accent. This Danelaw existed above a diagonal line from Chester to London
I have watched quite a few of Wolter's videos. It's best to take what he says with a pinch of salt.
It depends where you live as to where YOU consider the North South divide to be !
Londoners think anything North of WATFORD is " the North" .
The Lake District is in " the North". Southerners can't compete with that !
There ISN'T a Northern accent ! There are MANY.
A pint of beer in my town is £3.50. In London you can triple the price !!
HOW MANY TIMES !!?? CHIPS ARE NOT FRENCH FRIES AND FRENCH FRIES ARE NOT CHIPS !!
Chips and grated cheese, gravy, curry sauce or mince.
If you think that Indian restaurants are over rated...you are going to the wrong ones !!
A few years ago a pint of beer was £1.50. Yes to chips, cheese and gravy, with curry it's nice with blobs of kashmiri chilli pickle on top from a jar of mr Vikkis from Booths. American curry is probably short on authentic spices and sweetened with that corn syrup poison
The south is for sure a more expensive place to live. Rent prices are for sure higher. But also property values are higher. A higher proportion of government infrastructure projects focus on improving London and the south of England to the detriment of the North. Worker are paid less in the North. Tourism isnt likely to be the driving factor for London to be so expensive. But when tourist season rolls round in any UK town or City. The prices will go up to take advantage of the extra footfall.
Northern Language is more common and casual sounding. The posher more Norman (French) derived words tended to not penetrate as far north. A southener would call their main meal before bed their Dinner, Like Dejuner. A Northerner would have there Tea. Indian Food in the UK is next lever. Since the empire days there have been generations of Indian immigrants improving the bland British palette. Chicken Tikka Masala is absolutely bangin. Not everyone loves football. AND FINALLY. Rain falls more easily at higher altitudes. Looking at Britain the three highest parts are around Snowdonia in Wales to the West. The Scottish Highlands to the Far north. And The Pennines running through the centre of Northern England. Separating Yorkshire and Lancashire.
It's not just north and south - England has a number of fairly distinct regions that really want a degree of some official recognition and devolved governance. What southerners describe as "The North" is mainly Lancashire and Yorkshire, with perhaps Cumbria and most of Derbyshire thrown-in., as well as "The Potteries," which are actually the northern part of Staffordshire; and including the cities of Manchester, Stoke-on-Trent, Liverpool, Blackpool, Preston, Bradford, Leeds, Wakefield, Doncaster, Hull, and Sheffield thrown-in. "The North East," comprising of Northumbria and County Durham and including the cities of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Sunderland, Durham, Hartlepool and Middlesborough, is quite distinct; as is the West Midlands: Birmingham, Coventry, Wolverhampton, South Straffordshire, the Black Country, Shropshire, Northamptonshire, Warwickshire and Worcestershire; the East Midlands: Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire, South Derbyshire, Lincolnshire and Rutland; East Anglia - Norfolk, Suffolk & Cambridgeshire; and the West Country: Devon, Cornwall, Dorset, Somerset, Bristol, South Gloucestershire and including the major cities of Bristol, Bath, Exeter & Plymouth - and all the rest being considered as London and the South East. Yes, they all have differrent accents, but its mostly to do with the poverty divide, educational and employment status, health and social class.
Scotland doesn't have such great divides, as mostly-friendly rivalries - and mainly it's a Glasgow - Edinburgh thing, although I'd not be surprised if people from the highlands and islands might plead their cases against both, too. There's a quite significant north-south divide within Wales, and we all know how Northern Ireland is also divided, albeit for slightly different reasons... Glaswegians have an affectionate but mildly offensive term for highlanders - teuchters - for example; and also claim there's more fun to be had at a Glasgow funeral than at an Edinburgh wedding...!!!
The important thing to realise however, is that each of these regions have different ideas about what constitutes each definition - and it is there that I would suggest, where the real arguments are. For example, a friend who was born and raised in Kent, claims to be a member of a very ordinary, everyday working class family. Only, they all speak what most of us in the regions would consider to be "Proper English," (that is, Received Pronunciation), and he and his two siblings have all been to university. Indeed, he was at Cambridge! And from where I'm sitting, there's precious little that's working class about that...!! I daresay that relative to many of the others in Royal Tunbridge Wells, they were very ordinary - but working class? Perhaps by the definition that his parents' jobs were more practical and not requiring major entry qualifications at the time they began; but of course even the unskilled labourers in Kent have a far-greater availability of work and therefore decent, reliable incomes that can buy modest homes - by the standards of the area; and their children of the 1980s and 90s will have been infinitely better provided for than their parent's generation is likely to have been. Working class in the regions however, tends to depend on the continued viability of mostly single-industry and supply-industry employers, Hence the two million miners whom Margaret Thatcher's government rendered long-term unemployed owing to the closure of all their mines - in South Wales, the East Midlands, Yorkshire, the North East and Central Scotland in particular, quickly sank beneath the poverty line in the absence of any alternative employment sources... And I think the main issue is, Southerners simply don't see the extent of damage that these government policies inflicted upon these kinds of heavily industrialise places, that are well off any touring map...! With people having less money, local shops and businesses closed down, there was less for young people to do and hanging around as teenagers led towards more serious social problems such as drug use and then crime, which they needed to turn to in order to fund their habits - and within the first decade, the entire fabric of hundreds of such communities was just gone! Even now - 40 years later, it is mainly local government and NHS employment that is available - and nothing like as well-paid as mining, or shipping, or steel-working, etc., was a generation ago. The northerners don't recognise the significant percentage of working-class southerners because they're so much better off, and the southerners think all the northerners are workshy layabouts who just claim state benefits instead of going out and getting a job, because they simply can't imagine a world where there are no jobs!
You are correct regarding rainfall between east and west. The west tends to have more downpour. I am from Newcastle, which is true north. I agree that Liverpool barely constitutes the north.
Scotland divides itself by the central belt versus the rest of the country both north and south of that stretch of country ( which is really a rift valley lying between the northern and southern upland faults). There is a strong divide between Glasgow ( in the west) and Edinburgh (in the east ) within that central belt.
Connor you've excelled yourself once again you've managed to get the north south divide mixed up with Ireland Scotland tourism Chinese food Indian food and boiled rice anything but what it actually is wouldn't care the guy has just explained it all to you!!!
If you divide the country in 2 by mileage then places like Leeds, Manchester , liverpool etc are actually in the Midlands . Liverpool is closer to Bristol than it is to Newcastle
Check out ‘The Mash Report’ Northerners in the South, so funny
As a American my favorite City in the Uk is most definitely Liverpool .
I’ve spent half my adult life living in the north and half in the south. If I took a northern approach to speaking with strangers in London, I’d never stop.
I think the stereotype has a grain of truth, but it’s overblown. You can still strike up conversations with people, but they’re likely to be briefer and you’re more likely to have ‘private shared moments’ (for example, catching someone’s eye on a train when someone is being embarrassing and sharing the social horror in solidarity).
I’m probably a bit biased though: I grew up in the south in a village environment where everyone knew each others business, and I have the gregarious type of ADHD so maybe I’m just the one forcing uncomfortable Londoners to have conversations. Then again, I live in the East End which is the most extroverted bit of London too.
On the Indian food thing, I’ve had Indian food in the US a couple of times and it wasn’t great. I imagine it’s a similar feeling to Americans coming the UK and having Mexican food (which was great in California at least, for flavour anyway even if it did destroy my diabetes control). And if it is long grained rice you have an issue with, try with a good naan or chapatti or have a dosa instead (next time you’re in the UK anyway). Ok, now I’m hungry…
In London the big museums and art galleries are generally free to enter so I would disagree with him there.I'm with you on the curry front Connor but I would say we are in a minority.
Seasons Greetings to you and yours from the 'disowned' Midlands or as someone said to me at work today " 'Ave a good un "
Museums in London are free .
Exactly! Yet he thinks the museums in the south are more expensive than up north. Do the museums up north pay you to visit?!
@claregale9011.... Yeah, just what I was thinking, that's the problem with foreigners making video's about the UK, they usually cock it up. 😂
Weather - west versus East is less prominent than North versus South.
Happy Christmas Connor.
Citys do not encourage casual friendly chat people are in a rush.
I live in the East Midlands. Not the north (england), or south (england), or the West (midlands).
I don't know about Scotland, but there is definitely a North/South divide in Wales.
The North being far more rural and quite a bit poorer than the South, where the big cities are. There are cultural differences too... The Welsh language is much more widely spoken in the North, and in many cases is still people's first language.
The two ends generally don't get on either. With Southerners referring to Northerners as "gogs" (from the Welsh gogledd, meaning north), and Northerners calling Southerners "hwntw" which roughly translates as something like "those people over there." 😂
I was born in in the North (near Manchester), spent a lot of my childhood in the South, and have lived most of my life in the Midlands. What I would say is that even the English underestimate the differences between areas. These differences are subtle, a lot to do with ways of doing things, and what is socially acceptable; but they lead to confusion.
Londoners do irritate me, because they just assume that things are done in a certain way, when other parts of the country don't do it like that. They also are surprisingly ignorant about the rest of the country.
speaking as an Northumbrian....Manchester may as well be as southern as London! chuckle
Londoners are disinterested, not ignorant of the north. You never hear a Londoner/southerner say ‘ we’re nicer, better or friendlier’, but northerners say it all the time. Why? I was born in the north (Westmoreland) but raised from the age of 7 in London and the south east, so I’ve no dog in this race.
In Scotland the divide is more a rivalry between Glasgow (the biggest city) and Edinburgh (the capital city). I think you're probably right about the city size vs friendliness thing. New York, London... even Auckland here in New Zealand... have reputations for being less friendly. And if you think curry in the US is too strong, you won't want to eat curry in the UK - much hotter! As far as football in the north, there's a famous quote from former Liverpool manager Bill Shankly: "Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that.”
Im from Manchester North West of England one of my uncles was married to a lady from the South Rye EastnSussex she was a lovely lady. There are nice and not so nice people wherever you go in this world.
It is a west versus east thing, it's also a north versus south thing. Dunno, I'm east in the middle and we're practically a desert at this point so.. Rain shadow is a confirmed thing and Great Britain is heavily affected by it.
The East gets snow the West gets rain there are local rivalries as some Northern towns have 2 teams and others are just across a road ie Manchester and Salford also Stockport to the south.
I agree with you regarding the difference between Indian and Chinese cooking.
However, if you know where to go you can dine perfectly well on British food provided you either know the area, or (if you're a tourist) check Google comments beforehand.
I've had many amazing dishes in towns I don't know too well and at very reasonable prices.!
Politics for instance is based in London and that is to be expected but because politicians are over interested in their career there is something quoted by both the media and the people called "London Elite" where it is thought that the politicians concentrate too much on London and the South in general and for many years the North and their votes were taken for granted as in general terms both historical and modern day events ie: the "coal strike" would mean that Labour could take the North as being Socialists [speaking general terms again] then there was Brexit and the North in general voted to leave and the Conservatives offered freedom from the E.U. [for selfish political reasons in the belief the people would vote to stay in the E.U.] right or wrong is not a factor here as the majority of politicians did not wish to leave even though they said otherwise but politicians do that of course. This made stereotyping even more significant in the North South divide and may play a part in the next election which Labour are expected to win. Basically there is a social divide and regardless of what people say there is still a class divide.
Good grief. Why does everything have to be a competition? It's videos like this that divide people.
as a northerner I don't think of the north/south divide as being so much related to the people from those places. I have plenty of friends and family from down south...all great people. the issue the north has is more with Westminster and them underfunding the north...always used to be seen as the poor north and rich south...nowadays however with the crazy property prices down south and the cost of living there I never really feel too hard done to.
Even the stuff they say about southerners being rude/unfriendly I find not to be true especially once you get outside central London where everyone seems in a rush lol.
They're still a load of pansies like lol
I'm unbiased and have lived in the North and South, the North wins easily, southerners put lemonade in their bloody lager ffs! 🤣
There's a North South divide in Wales.
Erm, no we don’t 😂
@@oufc90 You don't, but lager top is very popular on the south coast
@@pablo19136 No there isn't, we differ culturally, but there's no divide, we're all Welsh, there's no rivalry at all
Connor, it's not a big city thing that makes people talk to strangers. Go to Manchester or Leeds (3rd and 4th biggest English cities) and the people will talk to you.
I've never had a good curry in the US. I tried a few times.
West coast is wetter than East coast but North is wetter and colder generally than the South.
Northerners are more friendly and will say hi but the southerners they do seem to keep themselves to themselves.
Living in the south and married to a northerner I can definitely say it’s hotter in the south other than that there are nice people all over the world including the north🤣
I live here and have traveled enough best City is manchester
Obviously the North is the best! Not sure if it's the same in the US but us Brits like our chips we must annoy Chinese/ Indians because we order chips with their foods all the time.
I'm a Southerner and think Northerners are more friendly generally, London... well that place is just damn well rude, not even a please or thankyou in the shops, wants a 50ft tall wall building around it, i mean its not even English anymore.
The UK is a rich tapestry of culture, custom, traditions and languages and we all accept to a large degree our differences. BUT the N/S divide is contentious. IMO its mainly about income and opportunity where us from the north are envious of a perceived imbalance in political and economic opportunities which favours London and the "south". Here's a comedy link to lighten the mood featuring a news report of a rampaging northerner in London ua-cam.com/video/PT0ay9u1gg4/v-deo.html
Perhaps football is thought of as a working class sport the North South divide comes into play regards there being more passion in the North which may or may not be true but it is another factor that can be used by people to enhance the divide with many players being multi millionaires times have changed as well as degrees of hypocrisy.
Cockneys don't do chips, peas and gravy.
No we do chips and curry sauce.
No we don't, we do chips with salt and vinegar, and ketchup if it's to our liking. Personally I prefer pie, mash and liquor, but fish and chips is a good second best.
I knew gravy wasn't usually on the menu but didn't know you don't do mushy peas. I don't like them much anyway, give me chips, cheese and gravy or curry sauce
No how about our pie and mash, salt beef beigals, and our jellied eels
I live in the Midlands.
I feel the South is so expensive and doesn't make sense.
Doesn’t make sense? Lol
I don't care for Chinese foods.
I enjoy curries though. I don't think you've had a decent Indian curry, Connor. If course, yiu might say the same re Chinese foods to me. Maybe ...but I really just like _plain_ boiled _long_grain_ rice. (short grain rice suits desserts like rice pudding better). And I like thick chunky chips much better than skinny f?French fries!
Birmingham is neither North nor South - the word 'Midlands' is very accurate.
But the prices are already way, way down.
In London, you need to consult with locals like myself to dine well and cheaply.
Liverpool, north?. Drive north another 3 hours.
The difference between north snc south is that down south they are mote migrants . None english . But in the north we are more english . Plus we in the north work harder and are much more pleasant down south they wont talk to you in the street were as in the north we talk to people on the street .i liveand was born in Manchester in the north but i worked gor 23 years diwn south around london and Stevenage
Trying to find decent curry in the US I’d like trying to find good Mexican food in the UK
You need to come to Bradford and have a real curry. You will find it much better than anything you can get in the States.
Areet all you southern fairies😊
When comparing Britain with a state, don't forget that the UK has a much larger population than your most populous state, California.
Why iis football more passionate in the North? Socio economic reasons. The North has never had the general wealth of the South (especially London) what was a hobby or a passion to fans of Arsenal was a way to ignore grim reality in Liverpool or Newcastle. Club success allowed a city to feel good and it's people clung to the clubs because of it
You might have to blame foreign tourists for not leaving London as such for not knowing much about the rest of the UK outside of it!
Imagine going to London and expecting to experience Englishness, barely any English live there anymore.
Ewww north have stuff on chips, most south have vinegar and salt, I have nothing
You are having the wrong curry Connor, good old tikka madras and chips from a shitty corner shop 👌🏻
I'm a northern lass born in Hull but I live in Leeds both Yorkshire cities. We call southerners softies a little bit of snow and the world is ending ten foot of snow and we say to put a coat on 😅 plus they are ignorant don't talk we're more friendly 😊
What about the East and West?
No. It is just north/south. Partly because the industry is more in the North.and it is considered more working class.
its because half of the people down south arent originally from the uk so have less connection to football teams
Neither. The Midlands wins.