@@suze1511 He is SO annoying. I've been an actor for 26 years (and counting!).........And I KNOW that the entertainment industry is a 'cruel beast!' Harvey totally fucked it ALL UP for E17 with his absurd 'Yeah I banged 10 e's one night!' SOLO interview to a journo from a NATIONAL newspaper! THE definition of: Career suicide!!!!🙄🙄🤣🤣 (Sadly for the 3 other guys too though.)
He's been ranting about the same subjects for the last however many years; the guy is a broken record at this stage; guarantee this time last year he was moaning about exactly the same things. If it's not Tony and the band, it's Puddick or some other nonsense; the guy sabotaged his own career yet never takes any responsibility. A perfect example of a collapsed narcissist is our Brian.
It must be a nightmare being in trapped in a head like that. I enjoy having a good laugh at Harvey as much as the next person but holy shit he must be seriously miserable. He looks exhausted from all the negative thinking he indulges in.
@@Calimosh can someone pls chill him out right out lol, i think its time he was cancelled, he is trying to make every survovor of anything look like a fake feecking loon, and he was only phone hacked and lost his fame. Diddummms lol
At least 50 times, painstakingly analysing every tiny detail. Poor Brian I still like him though, he needs to stop overthinking and getting obsessed about things.
Forgive Terry for what. Terry has stayed in the band for 34yrs. He deserves a knighthood but if you saw him kneeling in front of King Charles you'd be calling him a Freemasonic peado lizard & "in on it" 🤣
At least the rest of the band aint embarrasing themselves online Bri like yourself. Think it’s clear to see u are more bothered than they are ! Why should they put they’re families lives at risk for u, when all u done is slate them for years!!
Exactly. It's incredibly strange that Harvey feels like he's the one being harassed. Meanwhile he's posted videos over and over relentlessly talking about other people in a negative light. He's unbelievably hypocritical.
The tumbleweed moment is everytime Brian is banging on about his paranoid fantasies ad nauseum 😅 That's why he doesn't allow comments on his channel! 😅@@melgrant7404
Their band apparently only got £150 a week or month and one Christmas they were told to smile cause they’d just brought their manager’s boyfriend a studio. The manager had more than one home….they should have sued! Also, apparently they haven’t spoken in a very long time. Personally, I found the documentary interesting. ❤
@@lilac9639shame none of em ever bother to mention them poor dogs😢 stuck in the kennel 24/7😢 bored shitless😢freezing cold😢not even sure they’ve got a food and water bowl anymore😢 Brian commented in another video “how windy it was this morning”😮 n the dogs bowls have gone flying!😮😢😂 I HOPE he brings them indoors soonso they’re nice n warm 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🥹❤
You are a middle-aged job seeker layabout now Brian... You are no longer that late-teens early-20's popular guy in a band bloke anymore. Move the F on.
He has just been banging on about pyramids again and Dove soap connected to the Freemasons!! I think he needs some padded wallpaper. I liked PG Tips pyramid tea bags before they stopped doing them, I also like the triangular Quality Street and play Chess. So according to Brian, I’m part of the illuminati 😂
He calling others in this for saying things and where's their evidence. While himself saying things without evidence 😅😅 and he can't be that worried about himself if he's now making mafi accusations 😅
He has a typical “rules for thee, but not for me” attitude. I was going to suggest Nurse Nikki switches off the wifi for his own good, but the comedy value is just too great. He needs to get outside and deliver his rantings to a wider audience!!
He lost his place in group through HIS OWN actions TWICE!. They had a reality show around 2010 to get them back together, its on YT. He was turning up over an hour late for rehearsals & Tony Mortimer punched him. He's ravaged his appearance, looks much older than 50, which is from his lifestyle. So even if they got back together it wouldnt work cos you cant be a frontman in that nick. Looks like a Skull.
@@MatthewM-m8v exactly. The new line-up , a tribute act but going out gigging (working) Brian Harveys had opportunity to get back & made a c*nt of it so i'm lost why he is bitter. Hes had folk help him back & hes fukd it up each time.
Brian, u can still make money easily ... ur a known name... and no, you wont fill a 50k people arena, but you can make money easier than most of us. Do some live shows, some meet and greets, sign stuff, take selfies etc ... i mean anywhere in europe u can do that. No idea if East 17 was ever known outside, but if so, even better. Dont engage in those social media clown wars... use ur name and legacy, make some money
@maxpaws3977 I was working in London many years ago and I met John and he told me that Brian sp unked all the money he made and that's his own fault.. He was fuming with him because he basically fu cked the band up..
Does This Guy Ever Give It a Rest 🙄 Drop The Self Pity and Sort Your Head Out! Still Banging On About Something That Happened 30 Years Ago? Getting Boring Now All This Ranting and Raving? You Look and Sound Rediculous! They Have All Moved On Man While Your Still Stuck In a Time Warp!
Brian, look, I like you and I like E17 when I was young.. You do exactly what I do when I'm having an episode. All my families say i'm like you when you're on one. I'm not saying you have a mental health problem too.Don't get me wrong. You keep saying people are ruining the E17 name your Ruining E17 name. When you get 5 minutes, watch yourself In one of your videos that you post. Your ruining the name E17 .You had the voice, you had the looks. I'm not saying, forget everything. But try and turn it into a positive You will end up having a heart attack. And lose everything. Some of the videos I see of you in the old day You were quite funny. I'm not saying forget i'm just saying, move on. P.s. Do something you have a great voice .all the best
Fair play to whoever sent this comment your on point and your right. It's sad how life can make us become. Brian stop letting this consume the rest of your life. The Internet is destroying your existence don't let it anymore. Just live & be happy. Leave the past in the past. Take care.
I once made a video which explained exactly how Brian was set up by politicians acting on behalf of the alcohol lobby. They had to kill the ecstasy market because alcohol profits were dwindling hugely due to it. Anyhow, I reached out a helping hand and all he did was bite it because he wouldn’t trust anyone. He doesn’t want to and I began to see that, even though I still feel sorry for the guy, he’s been his own worst enemy. He could have still been a big solo act if he’d just kept at it and also let go of the huge chip on his shoulder and dropped the ego (which he still shows he has but will never admit it).
Brian, you forgot to take your meds this morning, you went straight to the dole office and then to homemakers for a new bucket for your window round and left your meds on the side... silly sausage..
@@sunny70299 yep just read and saw that after your comment. My autocorrect on my phone has been annoying me for a while now. I messaged my sister earlier writting France and it came out Framce. So yeah.
He stopped going to band meetings & rehearsals to take 'E' and unprofessional towards the band & the fans. Rightfully sacked yet 30 years later, he's getting his rent paid, if he's on PIP he will pocket £1600 a month & he has the time to smoke weed & watch youtube all day yet the others are doing roofing & labouring & rent / mortgage to pay. They only do pubs & clubs occasionally as East 17, they cant make a living from it. He's pathetic to still act like this. The Beatles first drummer who got sacked as they made it big, he doesn't bitch about getting sacked (unfairly btw) by The Beatles. Eastern 17 were a novelty act.
You know a little of what you spout. But most of it is guff. The current E17 line up don't do pubs and clubs. They are on the festival and corporate circuit and are charging circa £5,000 a gig. I know cos I know a promoter who booked them for one about 8 months ago.
@@mrnobody4771 You talk sh1te. saying theyre doing corporate circuit events. I just Googled EAST 17 TOUR 2024. Theyre doing BUZZ BINGO halls ya lunatic. and its sometimes weeks apart. Probably making same as you Brian once this £5000 you say, is divided between them. They have to pay for hiring place & travel, hotels & i saw a clip where hardly anyone turns up. saw Tony do a solo gig at a Holiday camp in front of about 20 folk.
If you have seen the red room and you know the truth, how the f-ck can you carry on pretending . My sister in law works with your other half Brian. I have been researching this shit for years. It goes to the very top.
Most of the inbreds on this channel don't have a clue about what they spout. They sit around all day long sucking each other off and sharing their mums about then while they reload, come on here and slag someone they haven't got a clue about off.
check the Uber Brian Harvey video. You will change your tune. All comments from his 'fans' saying they dont like him anymore. He was disgusting in it. Vile character. He lives rent free & eats takeaway food every day. makes out he cant go outdoors.
He's been saying the same stuff for the last 27 Years, Harvey No One Is Listing to you, you had Talent why didn't ur all the bitterness, Etc, and wrote music then you might got people to listen
Really he’s only saying this because of the recent documentary before that he had it in for him for a long time wouldn’t trust this mug as far as I could throw him.
"I don't give a fuck."
He clearly doesn't, having ranted about nothing else in his house for the past 10 years.
EXACTLY! The others 100% actually DON'T give a fuck now. He MASSIVELY does though.
@@ShaunStone-o5ulove these ppl online that keep banging on about not being bothered but clearly are 😂
@@suze1511 He is SO annoying. I've been an actor for 26 years (and counting!).........And I KNOW that the entertainment industry is a 'cruel beast!' Harvey totally fucked it ALL UP for E17 with his absurd 'Yeah I banged 10 e's one night!' SOLO interview to a journo from a NATIONAL newspaper! THE definition of: Career suicide!!!!🙄🙄🤣🤣 (Sadly for the 3 other guys too though.)
I have genuinely never come across anyone on this entire planet who "gives a fuck" as much as Brian does. And I've travelled the world.
He's been ranting about the same subjects for the last however many years; the guy is a broken record at this stage; guarantee this time last year he was moaning about exactly the same things.
If it's not Tony and the band, it's Puddick or some other nonsense; the guy sabotaged his own career yet never takes any responsibility.
A perfect example of a collapsed narcissist is our Brian.
It must be a nightmare being in trapped in a head like that.
I enjoy having a good laugh at Harvey as much as the next person but holy shit he must be seriously miserable.
He looks exhausted from all the negative thinking he indulges in.
A grudge is for life, not just for Xmas
But he does have a point go Brian
😂😂😂
@@Calimosh can someone pls chill him out right out lol, i think its time he was cancelled, he is trying to make every survovor of anything look like a fake feecking loon, and he was only phone hacked and lost his fame. Diddummms lol
I wonder how many times he has watched that documentary 😅
At least 50 times, painstakingly analysing every tiny detail. Poor Brian I still like him though, he needs to stop overthinking and getting obsessed about things.
He'll be watching it as we speak. Desperately trying to turn the entire thing into a conspiracy theory.
Poor bastard needs therapy.
“I don’t give a fuck” … he says, clearly giving a fuck
What a lovely man. Perfect son in law material
A tad bitter this one due to his own stupidity
This guy needs help. He is paranoid and clearly bi polar and paranoid.
He had a career and wealth most would aspire for and he blew it.
I thought he said he wasn’t going to watch the documentary. For someone who doesn’t care he seems to care a lot … you know what I mean?
Who watches themself ranting 😂
@@differentgravydifferentgra7852 most you tubers.
Forgive Terry for what. Terry has stayed in the band for 34yrs. He deserves a knighthood but if you saw him kneeling in front of King Charles you'd be calling him a Freemasonic peado lizard & "in on it" 🤣
He’s morphing into David Ike.
At least the rest of the band aint embarrasing themselves online Bri like yourself. Think it’s clear to see u are more bothered than they are ! Why should they put they’re families lives at risk for u, when all u done is slate them for years!!
@@suze1511 and he is a liar fact, well said
Terry is so fortunate ! 😂
Omg he’s not absolutely well
Tony just wants to be left alone.
It’s a bit like harassment innit
Exactly. It's incredibly strange that Harvey feels like he's the one being harassed. Meanwhile he's posted videos over and over relentlessly talking about other people in a negative light.
He's unbelievably hypocritical.
Bri, it’s gonna be alright alright, alright etc.
Harvey’s going deep deep down with this rant
Doesn't give a fuck but seems to spend his entire life ruminating over it when he isn't obsessing over his bizarre Liam Payne quest.
Not that bizarre about liam .his death does raise questions.
@@melgrant7404Yeah we will leave that to the professionals to go over it all shall we instead of jumping to conclusions and conspiracies.
@@daz3434 so far they haven't said much.
Brian, you did it to yourself you only have yourself to blame
Very balanced bloke he's got a chip on both shoulders.
That’s funny
@@stephenharbinson8617 tumble weed moment.
The tumbleweed moment is everytime Brian is banging on about his paranoid fantasies ad nauseum 😅
That's why he doesn't allow comments on his channel! 😅@@melgrant7404
@@Sheriff_GrimLawany one in their right mind wouldn't allow comments on their channel.
@@melgrant7404Why not?
Yeah? I can repeat myself, yeah…I can repeat myself, and once again repeat myself, yeah
Ohhhh it grinds on me how he repeats what he says all the time.
It's like Big Brother's 2 minutes of hate. That's me exercised for the day.
Walthemstow is a incredible album, still listen to it now.
Their band apparently only got £150 a week or month and one Christmas they were told to smile cause they’d just brought their manager’s boyfriend a studio. The manager had more than one home….they should have sued!
Also, apparently they haven’t spoken in a very long time.
Personally, I found the documentary interesting. ❤
Why is he watching himself on his monitor?
same reason as us LOL
So he can see all the adorations coming in from his clucking sycophants 😮
@@lilac9639shame none of em ever bother to mention them poor dogs😢 stuck in the kennel 24/7😢 bored shitless😢freezing cold😢not even sure they’ve got a food and water bowl anymore😢 Brian commented in another video “how windy it was this morning”😮 n the dogs bowls have gone flying!😮😢😂 I HOPE he brings them indoors soonso they’re nice n warm 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🥹❤
Apply for big brother make a comeback
@@Wilko144-n5u they wouldnt hav it surely lol
Get a job Brian.. it will help
He’s still not ranting on is he ?
My god , he is like a record going on and on and on and on and on
Same old
Same old
Same old
Yet you listen.
@@melgrant7404why not
@@amandawilson7412 so you can whinge .
To quote Stormzy SHUT UP
@@Optimus_Grindz ohh oohhhh lol
His neighbours must hear all this ranting every night.
lol i never thought of that.
And all day bet they can’t wait to get work for a break from him.
He looks like he hasn't slept in days here
If it’s not about East 17 it’s about Liam Payne. Build a bridge and get over it. Move on ….. at least to a new topic !
Bitter man
You forgot to mention Puddick. Brian's hero.
@ 😂 silly me 😂
poison dwarf
You are a middle-aged job seeker layabout now Brian... You are no longer that late-teens early-20's popular guy in a band bloke anymore. Move the F on.
His solo career was alright as well to be fair, and got into the top 40 a number of times as well as his solo album in the 2000's!
@@maxpaws3977 he could still.carry on his music career.
That fucking song has this man drove mad…..I’d say when the camera room in the supermarket see him coming they play it on the speaker.
People gotta make a living Terry’s a legend
I'm with you Brian I know what it's like to be fucked over big time ,very hard to get over
Talking about trying to get a mile from a metre . I only watch to see a guy that had a chance a fucked it up . Get over it fella .
"NURRRRRRRRSE! Brians out of bed again!"
Bitter
Brian it's nice you tell you how it is your fab
Did you seriously run yersel down?
Brian they are going to section you if you carry on ranting.
You don't section someone for ranting, f o o l.
It's not your song Brian 🤦♂️
It was Tony’s and he won an award, Brian seems to forget that.
@@samanthawalters2114 Still is Tony's lol
What chance a reunion?
lol
Brian’s favourite character in Goodfellas must be Jimmy 2 times !! I’m going to get the papers get the papers😉
He has just been banging on about pyramids again and Dove soap connected to the Freemasons!! I think he needs some padded wallpaper.
I liked PG Tips pyramid tea bags before they stopped doing them, I also like the triangular Quality Street and play Chess.
So according to Brian, I’m part of the illuminati 😂
He calling others in this for saying things and where's their evidence. While himself saying things without evidence 😅😅 and he can't be that worried about himself if he's now making mafi accusations 😅
He has a typical “rules for thee, but not for me” attitude.
I was going to suggest Nurse Nikki switches off the wifi for his own good, but the comedy value is just too great.
He needs to get outside and deliver his rantings to a wider audience!!
@@jb0006 so has his followers. They are shocking.
This is sad now pls get help bri
Full blown Psychosis,the whole world is against him ,just needs some proper medication and maybe some therapy
Alright alright, everything's Ganna be alright,it's really alright BRIAN.
He lost his place in group through HIS OWN actions TWICE!. They had a reality show around 2010 to get them back together, its on YT. He was turning up over an hour late for rehearsals & Tony Mortimer punched him. He's ravaged his appearance, looks much older than 50, which is from his lifestyle. So even if they got back together it wouldnt work cos you cant be a frontman in that nick. Looks like a Skull.
Always moaning cause he lost all his money silly boy
@@MatthewM-m8v exactly. The new line-up , a tribute act but going out gigging (working) Brian Harveys had opportunity to get back & made a c*nt of it so i'm lost why he is bitter. Hes had folk help him back & hes fukd it up each time.
Brian, u can still make money easily ... ur a known name... and no, you wont fill a 50k people arena, but you can make money easier than most of us. Do some live shows, some meet and greets, sign stuff, take selfies etc ... i mean anywhere in europe u can do that. No idea if East 17 was ever known outside, but if so, even better. Dont engage in those social media clown wars... use ur name and legacy, make some money
Go and have a gander at your shiny new kitchen we all paid for, it might cheer you up
If Stay another day gets to number one at Christmas I don’t think we will hear from Brian again.
Did you know that Illuminati is an anagram of "I'm a lil nuti" ...
someones a bit salty
Cmon Brian tell me wot you really think
Harvey what happened christ you was the shit in the 90s
If you see this man. Give him a hug
How old is he.? Its like listening to a 12 year old kid who can't have his own way.. Grow up and grow a pair..
He still thinks he's in his late-teens early-20's as that popular guy in a band bloke. Sad really.
@maxpaws3977 I was working in London many years ago and I met John and he told me that Brian sp unked all the money he made and that's his own fault.. He was fuming with him because he basically fu cked the band up..
@@maxpaws3977 he was popular can't be denied.
He is 50 years old
0.25 fuckn love it mate , i wanna jump on a streamyard 1 night to discuss your comedic future plz. Respect
the final straw
Why is the character playing robbie williams playing bryan harvey?
Does This Guy Ever Give It a Rest 🙄 Drop The Self Pity and Sort Your Head Out! Still Banging On About Something That Happened 30 Years Ago? Getting Boring Now All This Ranting and Raving? You Look and Sound Rediculous! They Have All Moved On Man While Your Still Stuck In a Time Warp!
Brian, look, I like you and I like E17 when I was young.. You do exactly what I do when I'm having an episode. All my families say i'm like you when you're on one. I'm not saying you have a mental health problem too.Don't get me wrong. You keep saying people are ruining the E17 name your Ruining E17 name. When you get 5 minutes, watch yourself In one of your videos that you post. Your ruining the name E17 .You had the voice, you had the looks. I'm not saying, forget everything. But try and turn it into a positive You will end up having a heart attack. And lose everything. Some of the videos I see of you in the old day You were quite funny. I'm not saying forget i'm just saying, move on. P.s. Do something you have a great voice .all the best
Fair play to whoever sent this comment your on point and your right. It's sad how life can make us become. Brian stop letting this consume the rest of your life. The Internet is destroying your existence don't let it anymore. Just live & be happy. Leave the past in the past. Take care.
@Jstar13 thanks it was me. I just think it's sad. And you're right, too.
Who is this bloke ? He is clearly not the brightest button on the tunic 🤪
best wishes bri
Good god his got a point
I once made a video which explained exactly how Brian was set up by politicians acting on behalf of the alcohol lobby. They had to kill the ecstasy market because alcohol profits were dwindling hugely due to it. Anyhow, I reached out a helping hand and all he did was bite it because he wouldn’t trust anyone. He doesn’t want to and I began to see that, even though I still feel sorry for the guy, he’s been his own worst enemy. He could have still been a big solo act if he’d just kept at it and also let go of the huge chip on his shoulder and dropped the ego (which he still shows he has but will never admit it).
Brian, you forgot to take your meds this morning, you went straight to the dole office and then to homemakers for a new bucket for your window round and left your meds on the side... silly sausage..
Pity he couldn't write songs!
I didn’t know till watching the documentary that “Stay” was written by Terry about his brother who (t the time) had passed away. 😢
@@jessieb7290 Tony not Terry
@@sunny70299 yep just read and saw that after your comment. My autocorrect on my phone has been annoying me for a while now. I messaged my sister earlier writting France and it came out Framce. So yeah.
This the effect of all them Es he took.. paranoid mashup brains
XTC my Eye Meth m8 😢
They the system has done a lot to you Brian
Must be that time of year again….
Start ya own group called east17.0 new members
😂😂😂
@ 😂😂😂
Don’t do jacket potatoes kids
He stopped going to band meetings & rehearsals to take 'E' and unprofessional towards the band & the fans. Rightfully sacked yet 30 years later, he's getting his rent paid, if he's on PIP he will pocket £1600 a month & he has the time to smoke weed & watch youtube all day yet the others are doing roofing & labouring & rent / mortgage to pay. They only do pubs & clubs occasionally as East 17, they cant make a living from it. He's pathetic to still act like this. The Beatles first drummer who got sacked as they made it big, he doesn't bitch about getting sacked (unfairly btw) by The Beatles. Eastern 17 were a novelty act.
You know a little of what you spout. But most of it is guff. The current E17 line up don't do pubs and clubs. They are on the festival and corporate circuit and are charging circa £5,000 a gig.
I know cos I know a promoter who booked them for one about 8 months ago.
Owwwww look at you! Want a Blue Peter badge?
@@jasonantigua6825 No thanks. You look after your Jim'll Fix It badge though. Make sure its well polished.
@@mrnobody4771 why on recent documentary John Hendy said hes back roofing! idiot.
@@mrnobody4771 You talk sh1te. saying theyre doing corporate circuit events. I just Googled EAST 17 TOUR 2024. Theyre doing BUZZ BINGO halls ya lunatic. and its sometimes weeks apart. Probably making same as you Brian once this £5000 you say, is divided between them. They have to pay for hiring place & travel, hotels & i saw a clip where hardly anyone turns up. saw Tony do a solo gig at a Holiday camp in front of about 20 folk.
Mate please talk to someone. Get some help. Let it go.
If you have seen the red room and you know the truth, how the f-ck can you carry on pretending . My sister in law works with your other half Brian. I have been researching this shit for years. It goes to the very top.
Most of the inbreds on this channel don't have a clue about what they spout. They sit around all day long sucking each other off and sharing their mums about then while they reload, come on here and slag someone they haven't got a clue about off.
@@mrnobody4771
Language Brian.
@@emilymccartney1593 You watch BH, comment on his videos and tell me about my language. TROLL!!!!
@@mrnobody4771
I comment on here, not directly on to your channel Brian.
@@mrnobody4771Ohh you're well hard mate. So you know Brian personally do you?
Brian get you're CV down there and GET A JOB ... 🙂. Loads of people hiring over Christmas.
Christmas Elf in Santa’s Grotto
He could be the " star guest" in a panto. Playing the grinch 😮
You were right you we're the singer with Gabrielle biffo
How are you feeling Brian ?
It’s hard to tell
What’s all this about ??
😂😂🤣👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻💯
Make a vid you singing it solo
Brian was best singer in east 17 legend
check the Uber Brian Harvey video. You will change your tune. All comments from his 'fans' saying they dont like him anymore. He was disgusting in it. Vile character. He lives rent free & eats takeaway food every day. makes out he cant go outdoors.
Stay another day won't be number 1 this December mate no doubt Liam Payne song will wouldn't surprise me
O Brian your a bundle of laughs
You're
He feels hurt !
So is he not getting any cash from the Christmas song???
According to all these rants, not
He's defo doing alright on the dole.
@@leeperola7023yeah look at his kitchen no way the housing paid for all them flashy worktops with mirror spalsh back tiles
@@woffwoff96. Yeah I get you.👍 My council house kitchen cost about seventeen quid in total. Do you reckon he owns a car these days? (Hehe)
@@leeperola7023 is that you Lee Brian’s mate it is in it
It's only your song if you wrote it
Terry is cool
Well for now.. just don't trust them all yet Brian.. stay guarded son
Brian get together with terry form ya own ting an ting..least two of you will be original members..make a fortune few pub gigs
Yiu tell them brain love yiu
The dr.gs dont work they just make you worse, but we know we'll see you rant and rave again 🙄
lol he is skint
Shine on, shine on Harvey moon !!! 😅😅
He's been saying the same stuff for the last 27 Years, Harvey No One Is Listing to you, you had Talent why didn't ur all the bitterness, Etc, and wrote music then you might got people to listen
Grow up man , how old are you
But have you all known the story of those two? If so you would understand. The other one seems sound.
Well said Brian well done for sticking up for terry
Really he’s only saying this because of the recent documentary before that he had it in for him for a long time wouldn’t trust this mug as far as I could throw him.