I have a 49 and a 52 and both of those frames have bad spots in them. I'm in northern Michigan so it's no suprise. That u channel design frame with the bottom riveted plate seems to hold moisture. I wonder if the frame should have been straightened and a weld put between the rivets on the bottom plating. If she launches straight and handles well is all that matters and if it gives you trouble you can always replace the back cross member with some heavy wall tubing and weld it solid. Where are you located at?
The frame has been sitting square for a couple of days now without moving. I think we got it. I'm in a little town called Macedon. Closest big city is Rochester, New York. Right in the snow belt off the lakes.
@ThrottleStopRacing I'm about 100 miles south of the bridge we got 24" of snow in two days and now most of it is gone. We race with the Nostalgia Outlaw Racing their a good group of guys mostly Michigan tracks and Bowling green.
It is not. Stock from the factory it is a hat channel frame (boxed front to rear), second there is a complete new center section of the frame installed. In this past video you can see the center section I am talking about. ua-cam.com/video/iuNuQwlR8F4/v-deo.html .
@@ThrottleStopRacing Also could be the resistance in the suspension not allowing it to settle the same ... no matter ... it looks like a lot of fun ... just stand on the gas ...
@@joewolf4483 I have palyed with the suspension and do not believe that is the problem. Suspension is coil overs and is pretty simple and straight forward.
@ThrottleStopRacing oh, sorry bud. A big chief easyliner is a very sofisticated drive on frame straightening machine. It has many specific measuring points and swing around pulling towers with up to 20 ton pulling force. With the correct operator (frame man) it can do really good work precise work and they are very powerful. I know where one is in my area I would like to buy but but a person has to buy the entire business for sale to get it. Google easyliner frame machine. A body shop with men 50 to 70 years old somewhere around you should have one ...... maybe. You know how the old guys disappearing and lost knowledge thing is going.
@ThrottleStopRacing oh sorry bud. It's a drive on frame straightening machine. They are very precise and very powerful. Back in the late 80's they cost around 80k. A body shop with older men operating the place may have one or know someone that does. Sometimes all they do is straighten frames with it but several times I've seen accordion smashed cars get completely pulled out straight with one. They were expensive foreign cars. Google big chief easyliner frame machine.
Why do you say that. They only took it to 600 degrees in the powder coat process. The TIG welding is way hotter than that. I believe it was the welding. If I am wrong please explain that to me. Thanks for the comment.
He has no idea, the frame has to be measured in at least three places from front to back, and these measurements must be made while the frame is on stands of equal height, to eliminate any suspension variance .
No wheel stands for my wife. Yes the additional stress of a launch will probable change the measurements. We will just keep checking and know the solution for now. IO may end up taking it somewhere to be straighten for good.
Seems to put a lot of trust in the floor being level. However he has a great imagination on how to straighten the frame. Cheers to him.
I have laid a 2x4 on the floor and a level on top of that and the floor in the area I am taking measurements is level.
Metal memory hopefully now that you got it. really close to level it will stay there.
At was dead level this morning. I will drive it again and see if it stays.
It'll probably change on the first run down the track im sure
We will keep after it. It has been stationary for the last two days.
i bet it wasnt that close at the dealership
When the front axle was install we measured the frame from factory holes and it was right on.
I have a 49 and a 52 and both of those frames have bad spots in them. I'm in northern Michigan so it's no suprise. That u channel design frame with the bottom riveted plate seems to hold moisture. I wonder if the frame should have been straightened and a weld put between the rivets on the bottom plating. If she launches straight and handles well is all that matters and if it gives you trouble you can always replace the back cross member with some heavy wall tubing and weld it solid. Where are you located at?
The frame has been sitting square for a couple of days now without moving. I think we got it. I'm in a little town called Macedon. Closest big city is Rochester, New York. Right in the snow belt off the lakes.
@ThrottleStopRacing I'm about 100 miles south of the bridge we got 24" of snow in two days and now most of it is gone. We race with the Nostalgia Outlaw Racing their a good group of guys mostly Michigan tracks and Bowling green.
@@ronosga4391 We have raced at both route 131 MotorSports Park and Milan with the NDRL series
One bump or run down the track and it will be back to the original measurements….this is silly.
If that happens it will go to a frame shop. sorry to waste your time.
Cant you add xtra supports or replace the rivits with bolts?
Not sure what you mean?
What do you think caused all the changes? Powder coating and strapping it down maybe?
No, I believe that it was the welding that caused the problems. I do not think 600 degrees used to out gas the frame is enough to twist the frame.
@ That makes sense, I forgot about all the finish welding prior to powder coat.
If this is the stock unmodified frame, agreed, it's gonna change.
It is not. Stock from the factory it is a hat channel frame (boxed front to rear), second there is a complete new center section of the frame installed. In this past video you can see the center section I am talking about. ua-cam.com/video/iuNuQwlR8F4/v-deo.html .
That small increments could be the difference in the wheel skates or the floor ...
I have measured with out the skates and on different areas of the floor. The floor is not straight, but the skates are the same height.
@@ThrottleStopRacing Also could be the resistance in the suspension not allowing it to settle the same ... no matter ... it looks like a lot of fun ... just stand on the gas ...
@@joewolf4483 I have palyed with the suspension and do not believe that is the problem. Suspension is coil overs and is pretty simple and straight forward.
Big Chief easyliner would have it straight in a few hours. Some original factory measurments of the frame and body would help though.
Who is Big Chief Easyliner?
@ThrottleStopRacing oh, sorry bud. A big chief easyliner is a very sofisticated drive on frame straightening machine. It has many specific measuring points and swing around pulling towers with up to 20 ton pulling force. With the correct operator (frame man) it can do really good work precise work and they are very powerful.
I know where one is in my area I would like to buy but but a person has to buy the entire business for sale to get it.
Google easyliner frame machine.
A body shop with men 50 to 70 years old somewhere around you should have one ...... maybe. You know how the old guys disappearing and lost knowledge thing is going.
@ThrottleStopRacing oh sorry bud. It's a drive on frame straightening machine.
They are very precise and very powerful. Back in the late 80's they cost around 80k. A body shop with older men operating the place may have one or know someone that does. Sometimes all they do is straighten frames with it but several times I've seen accordion smashed cars get completely pulled out straight with one. They were expensive foreign cars. Google big chief easyliner frame machine.
IM NOT A RACER BUT WOULD A SET OR WHEELIE BARS CLOSER TO THE ROAD RELEAVE STRESS AND TWIST ON THE FRAME ? GOOD LUCK TO YA ! ✌
We will get this right. If I cannot get it to stay (it has been level for two days now) then it will go to a frame shop.
Powder coating the frame Bent it.
Why do you say that. They only took it to 600 degrees in the powder coat process. The TIG welding is way hotter than that. I believe it was the welding. If I am wrong please explain that to me. Thanks for the comment.
Was the frame straight when you started this project ?
It was straight as an arrow, we did many measurements from factory holes to originally set up both the front and rear axles.
Temperature shock.
I believe it was the welding as powder coat process only goes to 600 degrees.
A bend back there isn't anything new what's important is does the car sit level or tilt to one side.
You know I have not measured the body, I'll do that in the morning. Thanks.
He has no idea, the frame has to be measured in at least three places from front to back, and these measurements must be made while the frame is on stands of equal height, to eliminate any suspension variance .
Your right I have never done this but the frame has measured square the last two days.
Call me silly but, if it makes the power it should and gets hooked up, a couple of good wheelstands just might fix it. Or bend it more. ???
No wheel stands for my wife. Yes the additional stress of a launch will probable change the measurements. We will just keep checking and know the solution for now. IO may end up taking it somewhere to be straighten for good.
silly optimist
You bet.
So I guess there's not a cage in that car
Not yet , but it is supposed to happen this coming January. Lots of time to take it some where if needed.
hes 20 times smarter than chad hiltz
Bad Chad Has some good ideas, like he says throw away the bad and keep the good.
It's a old frame
Yes sir, 75 years old, but was straight before the welding and powder coat
Temperature shock