I actually loled at the series of errors you kept getting when installing OS9. As much as I love these old machines, the sort of random weird errors they throw at you are always fun/excruciating to deal with...
Action Retro, to speed up your iMac G3's startup, try turning off Virtual Memory in the Memory control panel (I don't know how much RAM you've got installed on it, but if it's maxed out, go ahead anyway.) Also, hold down Cmd + Option while opening up the Memory control panel. This will allow you to turn off Memory checking at startup, which is another reason it takes a while to boot up (only works in Classic Mac OS).
A little tip: The CD/DVD drives on these older Macs tend to be very flaky. If you can, after installing, partitioning and formatting your new hard drive, copy the ENTIRE contents of the Mac OS install disk to the hard drive (if you copy exactly what was done on this iMac, copy the install CD onto the 2nd SSD partition.). That way, installation will be much faster, not to mention you won't get lots of hangups due to a bad install disk. If the installer is having trouble reading right off of the CD/DVD and if files copied no problem to the hard drive, you'll get a better installation process. I did this all the time when I was servicing these old PowerPC Macs.
Watching some of your older videos I hadn't seen yet, and wow, I'm so glad you talk faster now! I'd almost forgotten that I used to have to bump the speed up to 1.5x for you! :D
dude this video just saved me so much hassle. i recently bought 9 1998 bondi blue g3’s and i didn’t realize you could format the hard drive through the utilities program on the boot disk… i owe you my life! lol. cheers
Thank you for this video. I have a 500 MHz Graphite iMac G3. I like the older iMacs better. Mine has a really dark screen that is hard to see well when watching DVDs. Also the Harmon Kardon speakers has this foam that deteriorated making the sound very bad. I fixed it by using small rectangles of duct tape on each side of the speaker. I learned about the Carmageddon game from this video. I will be sure to try it out one day. Thumbs up for playing Star Trek Elite Force.
Hi Action Retro! So happy to find your channel to guide me around a G3!........its not the same as mine but its sure to be a big help. I knew you were the right guy as we wear the same uniform ... when we are "working" Cheers
When I started out playing with Macs in the early 2000's I had a Tray-load iMac. After upgrading the RAM and tossing on OSX the Monitor died. Turned it into a Headless iMac. Modified the Motherboard Assembly and also modified a PC ATX power supply to power the thing and used a gender bender to use a VGA Monitor. I was half tempted to install it inside of a Dell 17inch CRT I had sitting around.
Y- You're on camera! Cool to see you in frame for once! The one machine I still want to see a practical modern SSD solution for is the G5 with its silly incompatible SATA. Maybe a PCI card? Probably a PCI card. Dunno which one I'd need to actually work with OpenFirmware … and I'd kinda like to use the original cables routed in the case if I could.
solid state storage makes every computing using experience much better - even (especially) retro computers; too bad it can be a major pain to equip them with such, but then that pain is what the hobby is all about
I remember my old tray-loading iMac got REALLY finicky at reading CD's in it's old age. You'd have to try a dozen times to get it to work, and then if the disc spun down in the middle of playing your game, you'd be back to square one the next time it needed to load something. No bueno for using Virtual Game Station. I'd certainly be interested an optical drive replacement on this machine, if only for old times sake.
As I understand, TRIM got nothing to do with how long the SSD will last, it's about to avoid worse write speed over time. Some SSDs are better than others without TRIM enabled. Samsung 850 Pro (SATA) for example is crazy good. It will work fine without TRIM enabled for almost all users. Don't worry about that. Of course it's a bit better with TRIM enabled and what I know, you need Mac OS X 10.6.8 or later for TRIM support on Mac. With 10.6.8 you need TRIM Enabler (google it). That extension is needed for some later versions as well I think. In some later version of Mac OS X, Apple added official TRIM support that you have to enable with the Terminal. TRIM is a "bridge" between the OS and the SSD. No matter if you got TRIM support in the OS the SSD got Garbage Collection. Garbage Collection is a feature inside the SSD's controller/firmware. Works a little bit different in all SSDs but the basics is the same: keep the data stored as good as possible after deleting files. But yes, always pick as much storage as possible for the SSD because that will make it last longer. So in other words go for 120 or 128 GB instead of less than than if you wanna use it with this model of iMac. There's an upper limit for PATA on almost all Macs and PCs so 120-128 GB is the maximum. I believe some of the last Macs with PATA supported more than 120-128 GB (I'm not 100% sure about this) but to be on the safe side, 120-128 GB is the max storage to use. Almost all 2,5" SSDs are SATA so you need that adapter for these older Macs. But if you only gonna play some retro games on an older Mac with SSD instead of HDD, don't worry. Most operations are reading data and that will not hurt the NAND cells. It's only writing data that will hurt these cells, but you need to write so crazy much data to make it give up. So 40 or 60 GB or something like that will work fine for the SSD if you don't gonna write crazy much. The Mac OS 9 installation will require maybe 1-2 GB as most. The installer is on a CD. Then you will install some games and maybe 10 GB or more? After that you will write only a very little. A 60 GB SSD got probably 50 TBW. 50 000 GB data written. Let's say 60 000 GB for easy calculation. This means that you have to fill your 60 GB SSD up 100% one thousand times. And after 1000 times the SSD will most likely not die, TBW is only a warranty. So you can fill your SSD 100% each day for 3 years in a row. How likely is that for a 60 GB SSD that you will put an OS on and sone retro games? As I said: don't worry too much. Not even if you can find one SSD that's around 40-60 GB. It will last probably at least for 15-20 years at least for many users. But of course it's better with as much storage capacity as possible. My advice is to simply go for the best deal and a brand that you and most other people trust. One SSD to avoid: Samsung 840 EVO (SATA). That's their first TLC SSD and that model had huge problems with the read performance. They tried to solve it with firmware updates and maybe they solved it at last? But to stay on the safe side: avoid that SSD! The read speed was worse than the read speed for hard drives! For the full story about this, google it. Just avoid 840 EVO! Sorry for a long comment but I hope the facts are appreciated :)
If you can find and install Ram Doubler 9.x on that thing, I recommend it over Mac OS's own virtual memory. Why? SSD's don't particularly last long with all the thrashing (reading/writing) about, if virtual memory is turned on.
I honestly understand your pain 100%. For some reason, the G3 Mac’s have always been VERY picky about SSD’s. For example, out of every iBook I’ve tinkered with, I’ve only been able to get ONE to accept an SSD. Meanwhile every PowerBook I’ve dabbled with, except for the original PowerBook G4, have accepted SSD’s. I find that the Msata + IDE adapter caddy method and if need be the desktop IDE to Laptop IDE converter board works the best, especially with brand name SSD’s. Getting off brand SSD’s can be hit or miss as they don’t always work. I don’t know why Mac’s are so picky with this matter but I guess that’s just typical Apple.
Great video man. I'm actually switching out the original 10GB HDD on a slot-loader G3 and trying to clone it to an SSD (the original HDD still runs fine). I've used CCC 5 through my modern Macbook, and the clone was totally successful... but trying to boot just gives the folder icon with the blinky question mark. You did mention all the system files need to be on the first 10GB's of the partition, so I'll check that out now, but any other quirks you know of to get an SSD to successfully clone? Thanks for any advice and keep up the awesome vids, your 'cursed mac' series was 10/10!
two things... it needs to actually be in the first 8GB of the disk, if it goes over that it wont work. Ideally you want to set up an 8GB partition on the disk for the system, and use the rest for storage or whatever. Also, some SSDs are ... weird, and Ive found that the only way to get them to work is to format them on a PowerPC Mac running OS X 10.4 or 10.5, and to specifically "install mac os 9 drivers" when doing it... When I have tried to format on OS9, it sees the disk, formats it... but would not boot from it for some reason.
You should run a storage benchmark utility or do some simple file duplication in the Finder to truly see if your read write speeds increased...I'm guessing not.
@@ActionRetro just a question..with "newer generation" iMac g3 like the 500Mhz 2001 should I install OsX 10.4 would it have this 8 giga issue as well? Thank you in advance
@@MrHal900 If your SSD is 120GB or larger, you'll need to partition the drive with 8GB as the first partition. The IDE drive controller on those old Macs are the limitation, not the OS. They can accept up to 120GB partition sizes, but anything larger than that (especially when you install an OS on the 1st partition) you'll need to set the first one to 8GB. And, yes, your 500 MHz model will take OS X Tiger perfectly fine. Oh, and check to see that Firmware Update version 4.1.9f4 has been applied before you install Tiger (You find that file in the OS 9.2.x install CD or online search for it.). :-)
@@minty_Joe I understood somewhere this issue was not something affecting those latest generation of iMac G3. I just installed it last week on my 128Gb SSD without partitioning, with the latest firmware. I think it cannot be just hardware related since some OSes seem to not be affected. What do you think @Action Retro. BTW system flies with the SSD.
@@MrHal900 You might be right. Maybe they did correct this problem on the newer models. All I can tell you is that some of the models featuring the Old World Mac design and some of the early on New World Macs had this limitation. I have always stayed on the side of caution and installed a drive well under the 120GB size, so I never experienced the issue myself. At any rate, it's great to hear it worked for you. And there's no better experience than running a retro Mac with an SSD. :D
Might just need to get some compressed air into the optical drive to clean the laser. I have rescued a few that way (not apple CDROMs, but still worth a shot).
How can I get a dual boot going? Partition as 8 or 7GB? I want 9.2 and X. Machine currently has it, but on platter drive (will be changing to SSD). It's been a while, just forgot the whole operation of things.
It's quite silly how these computers have a similar energy to a Mac Mini on a Vesa Mount because the computer and the monitor are essentially 2 separate things connected to what seems like an off the shelf monitor cable
I bought an ssd and slapped it in the machine without touching it. I bought an imac g3 os9 boot disc kit on ebay.. I can't get them to boot and when I hold option I don't get a boot disc. I get folder with the finder face icon flashing with a question mark which I assume is no boot os found. Any help??
In my opinion, Mac OS 9.2.2 is the best, because it runs smooth and a lot of games from the time will run really well on there with that OS. You can also run Classilla, which is a pretty good modern(ish) web browser that works on 9.2.2. What are you looking to do with your iMac?
On a beau mettre des disques à SD même avec des adaptateurs on est limité par la connexion la vitesse de connexion ensuite concernant le lecteur CD soit il est fatigué ce qui pourrait être probable vu son âge moi j'ai eu le même problème sur un iMac g4 tournesol j'ai passé un cd de nettoyage et un petit coup de soufflette et le CD tourne comme un neuf We can put SD disks even with adapters we are limited by the connection the connection speed then concerning the CD player is tired which could be likely given his age I had the same problem on an iMac g4 sunflower I passed a cleaning cd and a small blow and the CD turns like a new
When I try to install OS9.2 my tray loader throws up errors saying I need to update the firmware but the extras folder doesn't contain anything relating to firmware...
I tried to make a "silent" mod using a noctua fan and... It killed it. Probably temp was too high and it did a couple of electric tsch tsch and... Turned off forever :(
Been having trouble with mine, just ordered the same hardware, would you be able to point me to the os 9.2.1 image you were able to successfully get working?. Thanks!
Sure! I've had success with this installer: www.macintoshrepository.org/137-mac-os-9-2-1-universal and this image as well, which does a restore of 9.2.2 installed system instead of a standard install: macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2109.0 Have you formatted the drive in disk utility and changed it to Apple Partition Map format?
@@ActionRetro I have but in a powermac G4 running jaguar. I currently can't boot my G3 off CD so the only way to boot is to put the original HDD in, which, when I do, I am forced to connect the SSD via USB adapter and disk untility on os 9 can't format drives conected via USB. I think I will try to boot the latter image as the os9lives 9.2.2 won't boot on my G3 (same exact model as yours) but WILL boot on my iBook G3...which is weird. I'm thinking maybe my CD drive in the imac is also failing?
@@ActionRetro it could be a combo of issues though, for instance i'm using a OWC SSD (formatted correctly with 7 gb boot partition) and a startech sata to ide which may have compatibility issues. SO once the hw you used arrives, I will attempt with that.
ssd > compact drive or sd card solution. sd cards are hit/miss and usually fail from abuse (using an OS on them). btw, if anyone has an "estimate" in price for a game wizard (voodoo card for mezzanine slot) hit me up. the PCI versions for Mac sell for about $150, however this one last sold on ebay for around $65 (missed it). i personally can't go over $80, but let's see your offer anyway.
What's the point of upgrading to an SSD and then reinstall Mac Os 9.2, I used to update those machine to Mac Os X without need to upgrade the hard drive. I mean the upgrade is useful is you can run a newer OS and consequently surf on the internet.
9.x has a lower memory footprint than OSX and is much faster on these particular G3 chips (ie. Rev. A through Rev. D). Personally, I wouldn't recommend anything higher than OSX 10.1 or 10.2 on these old machines, even though they'd be capable of 10.3 and even 10.4 with enough RAM. Problem is, this guy's iMac has a bad RAM slot, so he can only make use of one of the two dimms, effectively limiting his options to half of the maximum possible RAM. These old Rev. D iMac G3's can unofficially support 512 MB of RAM, but like I said.... without that 2nd slot, he can only do 256MB of RAM, unless he can find a single 512MB stick that's actually compatible........ i've never seen one.
You're seriously asking why he's replacing a 20+ year old mechanical hard drive with an SSD? Whatever OS he installs, relying on that old hdd is just asking for problems.
Battery hasn’t exploded? It’s obviously not a Duracell battery. The Duracell batteries in all of my household remote controls have exploded and leaked. I noted one remote yesterday and after cleaning I checked all the other remotes and they had all leaked. 6 remote with leaking Duracell batteries. Never will I ever buy another Duracell
If it has files you need on it, you may be able to change an OS X password by booting from an OS X installer CD. If you don't need files, I'd recommend just doing a fresh installation of the operating system.
I bought the same one you did. & it is in master. I tried two different ones. I also tried to put the old hard drive back in & now it won’t recognize that one.
So I read where the pram batteries are known to explode & u could leave them out, so i did even though I already bought a new one. I dunno if this was the fix but when I put the new one in everything booted just fine. U can see mine on instagram @bramad_artworks. Thanks for ur help on that build. It helped me a lot. Take care!
I actually loled at the series of errors you kept getting when installing OS9. As much as I love these old machines, the sort of random weird errors they throw at you are always fun/excruciating to deal with...
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Action Retro, to speed up your iMac G3's startup, try turning off Virtual Memory in the Memory control panel (I don't know how much RAM you've got installed on it, but if it's maxed out, go ahead anyway.) Also, hold down Cmd + Option while opening up the Memory control panel. This will allow you to turn off Memory checking at startup, which is another reason it takes a while to boot up (only works in Classic Mac OS).
A little tip: The CD/DVD drives on these older Macs tend to be very flaky. If you can, after installing, partitioning and formatting your new hard drive, copy the ENTIRE contents of the Mac OS install disk to the hard drive (if you copy exactly what was done on this iMac, copy the install CD onto the 2nd SSD partition.). That way, installation will be much faster, not to mention you won't get lots of hangups due to a bad install disk. If the installer is having trouble reading right off of the CD/DVD and if files copied no problem to the hard drive, you'll get a better installation process. I did this all the time when I was servicing these old PowerPC Macs.
I remember these systems all too well.
as someone whose job is to keep these old beasts running for work, this video has been invaluable! Thanks Action Retro!
My favorite Mac ever, we had a bunch of them at my elementary school and I used to play nanosaur all the time. Great memories!!
Watching some of your older videos I hadn't seen yet, and wow, I'm so glad you talk faster now! I'd almost forgotten that I used to have to bump the speed up to 1.5x for you! :D
Having recently opened up my Bondi Blue, I think the trick is actually to pull the bottom cover forward, not up. Cheers!
dude this video just saved me so much hassle. i recently bought 9 1998 bondi blue g3’s and i didn’t realize you could format the hard drive through the utilities program on the boot disk… i owe you my life! lol. cheers
This is great. I’ve been considering trying an upgrade like this on my B&W PowerMac G3. Glad to see it’s perfectly doable.
I have found with these iMacs if that battery is flat it might not boot properly,if at all.Make sure you change that battery!
I LOVE videos like this... giving an old computer new parts to make it run like todays computer!
Thanks Sean-now I know how to open my Blueberry! I hadn't thought about putting an SSD in mine-but now I will!
Nice Kitty Once You Go SSD No Never Go Back To HD
Thanks she's great!
Thank you for this video. I have a 500 MHz Graphite iMac G3. I like the older iMacs better. Mine has a really dark screen that is hard to see well when watching DVDs. Also the Harmon Kardon speakers has this foam that deteriorated making the sound very bad. I fixed it by using small rectangles of duct tape on each side of the speaker. I learned about the Carmageddon game from this video. I will be sure to try it out one day. Thumbs up for playing Star Trek Elite Force.
Hi Action Retro! So happy to find your channel to guide me around a G3!........its not the same as mine but its sure to be a big help.
I knew you were the right guy as we wear the same uniform ... when we are "working" Cheers
When I started out playing with Macs in the early 2000's I had a Tray-load iMac. After upgrading the RAM and tossing on OSX the Monitor died. Turned it into a Headless iMac. Modified the Motherboard Assembly and also modified a PC ATX power supply to power the thing and used a gender bender to use a VGA Monitor. I was half tempted to install it inside of a Dell 17inch CRT I had sitting around.
Y- You're on camera! Cool to see you in frame for once!
The one machine I still want to see a practical modern SSD solution for is the G5 with its silly incompatible SATA. Maybe a PCI card? Probably a PCI card. Dunno which one I'd need to actually work with OpenFirmware … and I'd kinda like to use the original cables routed in the case if I could.
solid state storage makes every computing using experience much better - even (especially) retro computers; too bad it can be a major pain to equip them with such, but then that pain is what the hobby is all about
I remember my old tray-loading iMac got REALLY finicky at reading CD's in it's old age. You'd have to try a dozen times to get it to work, and then if the disc spun down in the middle of playing your game, you'd be back to square one the next time it needed to load something. No bueno for using Virtual Game Station. I'd certainly be interested an optical drive replacement on this machine, if only for old times sake.
I like how there's just a source file called "Big System Morsels". Got a good laugh out of me.
You can use 2.5 to 3.5 bracket
No Trim support, so make sure the ssd is big enough so it will last longer
Is there any way to work around this issue?
As I understand, TRIM got nothing to do with how long the SSD will last, it's about to avoid worse write speed over time.
Some SSDs are better than others without TRIM enabled. Samsung 850 Pro (SATA) for example is crazy good.
It will work fine without TRIM enabled for almost all users. Don't worry about that.
Of course it's a bit better with TRIM enabled and what I know, you need Mac OS X 10.6.8 or later for TRIM support on Mac. With 10.6.8 you need TRIM Enabler (google it). That extension is needed for some later versions as well I think. In some later version of Mac OS X, Apple added official TRIM support that you have to enable with the Terminal.
TRIM is a "bridge" between the OS and the SSD. No matter if you got TRIM support in the OS the SSD got Garbage Collection. Garbage Collection is a feature inside the SSD's controller/firmware. Works a little bit different in all SSDs but the basics is the same: keep the data stored as good as possible after deleting files.
But yes, always pick as much storage as possible for the SSD because that will make it last longer. So in other words go for 120 or 128 GB instead of less than than if you wanna use it with this model of iMac.
There's an upper limit for PATA on almost all Macs and PCs so 120-128 GB is the maximum. I believe some of the last Macs with PATA supported more than 120-128 GB (I'm not 100% sure about this) but to be on the safe side, 120-128 GB is the max storage to use. Almost all 2,5" SSDs are SATA so you need that adapter for these older Macs.
But if you only gonna play some retro games on an older Mac with SSD instead of HDD, don't worry. Most operations are reading data and that will not hurt the NAND cells. It's only writing data that will hurt these cells, but you need to write so crazy much data to make it give up. So 40 or 60 GB or something like that will work fine for the SSD if you don't gonna write crazy much. The Mac OS 9 installation will require maybe 1-2 GB as most. The installer is on a CD. Then you will install some games and maybe 10 GB or more? After that you will write only a very little.
A 60 GB SSD got probably 50 TBW. 50 000 GB data written. Let's say 60 000 GB for easy calculation. This means that you have to fill your 60 GB SSD up 100% one thousand times. And after 1000 times the SSD will most likely not die, TBW is only a warranty. So you can fill your SSD 100% each day for 3 years in a row. How likely is that for a 60 GB SSD that you will put an OS on and sone retro games?
As I said: don't worry too much. Not even if you can find one SSD that's around 40-60 GB. It will last probably at least for 15-20 years at least for many users. But of course it's better with as much storage capacity as possible. My advice is to simply go for the best deal and a brand that you and most other people trust.
One SSD to avoid: Samsung 840 EVO (SATA). That's their first TLC SSD and that model had huge problems with the read performance. They tried to solve it with firmware updates and maybe they solved it at last? But to stay on the safe side: avoid that SSD! The read speed was worse than the read speed for hard drives! For the full story about this, google it. Just avoid 840 EVO!
Sorry for a long comment but I hope the facts are appreciated :)
17:53 "6.99 Gigabytes" *Noice*
That "Unity" tattoo looks a lot like the classic Operation Ivy back patch....
If you can find and install Ram Doubler 9.x on that thing, I recommend it over Mac OS's own virtual memory. Why? SSD's don't particularly last long with all the thrashing (reading/writing) about, if virtual memory is turned on.
I honestly understand your pain 100%. For some reason, the G3 Mac’s have always been VERY picky about SSD’s. For example, out of every iBook I’ve tinkered with, I’ve only been able to get ONE to accept an SSD. Meanwhile every PowerBook I’ve dabbled with, except for the original PowerBook G4, have accepted SSD’s. I find that the Msata + IDE adapter caddy method and if need be the desktop IDE to Laptop IDE converter board works the best, especially with brand name SSD’s. Getting off brand SSD’s can be hit or miss as they don’t always work. I don’t know why Mac’s are so picky with this matter but I guess that’s just typical Apple.
Nice Thunderbird!
Why pressed you on 20:27 stop insted of continue?
I have a blue dalmatian g3 with airport card and a g4. The g4 I have to fix the LCD panel, but it boots and everything. The g3 works no problem haha
when removing the hdd caddy you must make sure the pegs under the board arent in their holes
Nice project. I've had pretty bad luck with ADATA though. They are not known for their reliability.
+1 for Grape Jammies
Great video man. I'm actually switching out the original 10GB HDD on a slot-loader G3 and trying to clone it to an SSD (the original HDD still runs fine). I've used CCC 5 through my modern Macbook, and the clone was totally successful... but trying to boot just gives the folder icon with the blinky question mark. You did mention all the system files need to be on the first 10GB's of the partition, so I'll check that out now, but any other quirks you know of to get an SSD to successfully clone? Thanks for any advice and keep up the awesome vids, your 'cursed mac' series was 10/10!
two things... it needs to actually be in the first 8GB of the disk, if it goes over that it wont work. Ideally you want to set up an 8GB partition on the disk for the system, and use the rest for storage or whatever. Also, some SSDs are ... weird, and Ive found that the only way to get them to work is to format them on a PowerPC Mac running OS X 10.4 or 10.5, and to specifically "install mac os 9 drivers" when doing it... When I have tried to format on OS9, it sees the disk, formats it... but would not boot from it for some reason.
I always thought they were supposed to be fan-less, yet there is is at 6:15. Great vid. Sub'd
You should run a storage benchmark utility or do some simple file duplication in the Finder to truly see if your read write speeds increased...I'm guessing not.
I believe the 8GB partition issue is only with OS X. I've had a 30GB drive in my RevD for years, not partitioned, running 9.2.2 without any problems.
Ah yeah you're right, it's an OS X thing.
@@ActionRetro just a question..with "newer generation" iMac g3 like the 500Mhz 2001 should I install OsX 10.4 would it have this 8 giga issue as well? Thank you in advance
@@MrHal900 If your SSD is 120GB or larger, you'll need to partition the drive with 8GB as the first partition. The IDE drive controller on those old Macs are the limitation, not the OS. They can accept up to 120GB partition sizes, but anything larger than that (especially when you install an OS on the 1st partition) you'll need to set the first one to 8GB. And, yes, your 500 MHz model will take OS X Tiger perfectly fine. Oh, and check to see that Firmware Update version 4.1.9f4 has been applied before you install Tiger (You find that file in the OS 9.2.x install CD or online search for it.). :-)
@@minty_Joe I understood somewhere this issue was not something affecting those latest generation of iMac G3. I just installed it last week on my 128Gb SSD without partitioning, with the latest firmware. I think it cannot be just hardware related since some OSes seem to not be affected. What do you think @Action Retro. BTW system flies with the SSD.
@@MrHal900 You might be right. Maybe they did correct this problem on the newer models. All I can tell you is that some of the models featuring the Old World Mac design and some of the early on New World Macs had this limitation. I have always stayed on the side of caution and installed a drive well under the 120GB size, so I never experienced the issue myself. At any rate, it's great to hear it worked for you. And there's no better experience than running a retro Mac with an SSD. :D
I have a slot load Imac G3 that I'd love to put a Sata SSD in one day
You could even turn one into a television.
Might just need to get some compressed air into the optical drive to clean the laser. I have rescued a few that way (not apple CDROMs, but still worth a shot).
Super curious about the pink/purple Les Paul behind you at the beginning!
You know why it didn't work the first time? You didn't have a cat to help you! Mine ALWAYS helps ;-)
Nice bass
How can I get a dual boot going? Partition as 8 or 7GB? I want 9.2 and X. Machine currently has it, but on platter drive (will be changing to SSD). It's been a while, just forgot the whole operation of things.
It's quite silly how these computers have a similar energy to a Mac Mini on a Vesa Mount because the computer and the monitor are essentially 2 separate things connected to what seems like an off the shelf monitor cable
I bought an ssd and slapped it in the machine without touching it. I bought an imac g3 os9 boot disc kit on ebay.. I can't get them to boot and when I hold option I don't get a boot disc. I get folder with the finder face icon flashing with a question mark which I assume is no boot os found. Any help??
THUNDERBIRD BASS!
Great video. I have a stupid question. Why 7,168 mb and not 7,000?
Ice cube tray for sorting screws. Thank you for that!
in binary it probably works out to a nice round number that makes the system much happier to deal with it
Breaking News: SSDs are faster then HDDs!
Just being a brat, that was an awesome upgrade!
I have mine on Mac OS 8.6 with HD partitioned to have Mac OS X on the other side
This imac G3 is way a lot different than mine
Pretty sure that’s an “indigo.” Apple was really with the blues during this period. Grape, indigo, blueberry, bondi.
another question. What is the best system for the G3 first revision
In my opinion, Mac OS 9.2.2 is the best, because it runs smooth and a lot of games from the time will run really well on there with that OS. You can also run Classilla, which is a pretty good modern(ish) web browser that works on 9.2.2.
What are you looking to do with your iMac?
On a beau mettre des disques à SD même avec des adaptateurs on est limité par la connexion la vitesse de connexion ensuite concernant le lecteur CD soit il est fatigué ce qui pourrait être probable vu son âge moi j'ai eu le même problème sur un iMac g4 tournesol j'ai passé un cd de nettoyage et un petit coup de soufflette et le CD tourne comme un neuf
We can put SD disks even with adapters we are limited by the connection the connection speed then concerning the CD player is tired which could be likely given his age I had the same problem on an iMac g4 sunflower I passed a cleaning cd and a small blow and the CD turns like a new
If this iMac was in the original Mac OS 8.5 or 8.5.1 version you should update the Firmware first
WinAmp! lol nice.
When I try to install OS9.2 my tray loader throws up errors saying I need to update the firmware but the extras folder doesn't contain anything relating to firmware...
I had no idea you did a face reveal before you were just a hand lol
I tried to make a "silent" mod using a noctua fan and...
It killed it.
Probably temp was too high and it did a couple of electric tsch tsch and...
Turned off forever :(
holy crap he's actually a man
🤣
@@ActionRetro that's not funny i'm genuinely surprised
Now, take the last step in hot rodding that thing by having Dosdude1 upgrade the CPU to a 400mhz g4
Good luck, there! Ha-ha!
There are some 2.5" to 3.5" adapters, i see you have the problem very often 😉
Hey is it possible to install a slot loader Hdd into a tray loader imac?
How many GB is the SSD?
Lol. Blud looks completely different
Been having trouble with mine, just ordered the same hardware, would you be able to point me to the os 9.2.1 image you were able to successfully get working?. Thanks!
Sure! I've had success with this installer: www.macintoshrepository.org/137-mac-os-9-2-1-universal and this image as well, which does a restore of 9.2.2 installed system instead of a standard install: macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=2109.0
Have you formatted the drive in disk utility and changed it to Apple Partition Map format?
@@ActionRetro I have but in a powermac G4 running jaguar. I currently can't boot my G3 off CD so the only way to boot is to put the original HDD in, which, when I do, I am forced to connect the SSD via USB adapter and disk untility on os 9 can't format drives conected via USB. I think I will try to boot the latter image as the os9lives 9.2.2 won't boot on my G3 (same exact model as yours) but WILL boot on my iBook G3...which is weird. I'm thinking maybe my CD drive in the imac is also failing?
@@ActionRetro it could be a combo of issues though, for instance i'm using a OWC SSD (formatted correctly with 7 gb boot partition) and a startech sata to ide which may have compatibility issues. SO once the hw you used arrives, I will attempt with that.
@@derekrevella5298 Let me know how you make out!
ssd > compact drive or sd card solution. sd cards are hit/miss and usually fail from abuse (using an OS on them). btw, if anyone has an "estimate" in price for a game wizard (voodoo card for mezzanine slot) hit me up. the PCI versions for Mac sell for about $150, however this one last sold on ebay for around $65 (missed it). i personally can't go over $80, but let's see your offer anyway.
What's the point of upgrading to an SSD and then reinstall Mac Os 9.2, I used to update those machine to Mac Os X without need to upgrade the hard drive. I mean the upgrade is useful is you can run a newer OS and consequently surf on the internet.
9.x has a lower memory footprint than OSX and is much faster on these particular G3 chips (ie. Rev. A through Rev. D). Personally, I wouldn't recommend anything higher than OSX 10.1 or 10.2 on these old machines, even though they'd be capable of 10.3 and even 10.4 with enough RAM. Problem is, this guy's iMac has a bad RAM slot, so he can only make use of one of the two dimms, effectively limiting his options to half of the maximum possible RAM. These old Rev. D iMac G3's can unofficially support 512 MB of RAM, but like I said.... without that 2nd slot, he can only do 256MB of RAM, unless he can find a single 512MB stick that's actually compatible........ i've never seen one.
You're seriously asking why he's replacing a 20+ year old mechanical hard drive with an SSD? Whatever OS he installs, relying on that old hdd is just asking for problems.
this computer is so beautiful - it deserves to be in an art museum - almost the perfect People's Computer - except for it's cursed, useless mouse
Battery hasn’t exploded? It’s obviously not a Duracell battery. The Duracell batteries in all of my household remote controls have exploded and leaked. I noted one remote yesterday and after cleaning I checked all the other remotes and they had all leaked. 6 remote with leaking Duracell batteries. Never will I ever buy another Duracell
How strange. I thought those iMacs didn’t have a fan inside
First generation Imac Have fans, Second generation use convection cooling.
I had no idea Winamp ran on Mac OS.
I thought this was a joke until I saw it myself. Wouldn't that be MacAmp? Who knew.
i have a problem .. i got a g3 but it came with password. How can I solve that
If it has files you need on it, you may be able to change an OS X password by booting from an OS X installer CD. If you don't need files, I'd recommend just doing a fresh installation of the operating system.
If I'm going to be installing OS 9 on a 400 mhz slot load imac dv do I still need that 8gb boot partition or am I good to go wild?
The 8gb thing only applies to OSX. Go wild!
@@ActionRetro Thanks will do.
never seen this version of the imac. and ive taken apart a lot of these things back in the day. wtf?
It's the first Generation iMac known as a Tray Load. The second Generation was different and known as a Slot Load.
Can you send me a link where to get macOS 9.2 ?
Sure! Check out Macintosh Garden: macintoshgarden.org/search/node/mac%20os%209.2%20type%3Aapp%20category%3A529
I'd get a not cheap SSD so I wouldn't have to install again when it craps out. Go with a sandisk.
You needs some bigger screwdrivers
Try sata HDD TO Nvme m.2 sata ssd. do you thing are working??
just curious ! may be much faster!
Its totally possible! I think they would be the same speed though because both are slowed down to the speed of the IDE interface
I can 3d Print you an SSD-to Pata bracket to hold the SSD in place properly. Lmk and I'll ship you one
Make it lighter put a LCD screen in it 😄
Hello! Do u have any idea why mine doesn’t recognize the ssd?
Could be the adapter - which one did you use?
I bought the same one you did. & it is in master. I tried two different ones. I also tried to put the old hard drive back in & now it won’t recognize that one.
So I read where the pram batteries are known to explode & u could leave them out, so i did even though I already bought a new one. I dunno if this was the fix but when I put the new one in everything booted just fine. U can see mine on instagram @bramad_artworks. Thanks for ur help on that build. It helped me a lot. Take care!
@@bramadartworks9824 Aw man that's awesome! It looks great!
@@Maxtraxv3 no it works fine now. the pram battery was the issue.
You should take a look at my video, i upgraded my Macintosh Plus with an all new tat and a Mac mini last Year
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