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British Rail Network SouthEast-Chiltern Line DMU's 1986/89
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- Опубліковано 2 вер 2019
- A short vid now with some Chiltern Line DMUs. We start at Wendover back in 1986 and see the station before the A413 by-pass was built and some close up shots of the AEC engines on the units. Next we see NSE ones in action at Chalfont & Latimer and then Chorelywood in 1989. The units were in a mixture of NSE and BR blue & grey colours. If you liked the video please subscribe to my channel, there are lots more transport & quirky vids to upload!
I remember riding on these both from Amersham to Marylebone and from High Wycombe on the other branch of the Chiltern (as it is now called) line. Those 115's were about 30 years old when this was filmed and were pretty clapped out by this time, just like the current 30 year old class 165's are getting now.
Casually setting back into the station because someone forgot to get off. Try that nowadays and both driver and guard are upstairs for tea and biscuits.
All absolute block back then, no one knew what went on in the block section!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Yes, those were the days, seen some pretty unbelievable things myself if you know what I mean ;-)
Another quality upload from you. The 115s were really clapped out by the late 1980s.
Thank you. And it wasn't just the DMU's, the whole line was on its last legs as BR wanted to close it....until NSE came along and we got total route modernisation.
Still miss them though!
Indeed they were. They got driven pretty hard on this route as there was usually an electric A60 stock not far behind. However the engines were pretty robust all things considered.
Have noticed the occasional cl.108 DTC substituting in some of your other London DMU videos - just odd seeing a low-density coach in amongst the normal stock! At least they were able to knock together a train of stock designed to work together, nowadays one faultly coach means the whole train's out!
The original Class 115 DMUs were failing or due works visits, so various DMU's were drafted in from around the country to keep things running.....
I needed to know why they don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so that they can extend the unused abandoned underground train stations. Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into Five cars per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Cummins M11, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner LG1200 and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers. A Stock Train and 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it more Larger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Railway tunnel into a High-Speed Railway lines? The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Railway line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. Then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 47 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project if that will be OK for London Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from the Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden more Easily. Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly Line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street can they also make another brand new underground train station in Chingford and could they extend the Piccadilly Line and the DLR right up to Chingford? All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner LG1200, Cummins M11 and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains. Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and can they order Every 77 Octagon and Every 37 Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.14 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 147MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 147MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units, can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 18 Tonnes for all of those 147MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!!! so please make sure that the Builders can do as they are told!!!!!!! And Please do something about these very very important Professional ideas Please? Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Australia, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
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Great video !! Used to take the dmu’s on the chiltern line to marlyebone during the 80’s.
Excellent Soi, Wendover before the bypass! Those lovely 115 seats.
If i remember correctly it runs the other side of the station from where i was filming from.
Soi Buakhao Correct Soi!
Built in 1994
Used to lurk in the undergrowth by West Ruislip photographing these.
Middle class sounding exhaust systems!
Interesting how the line speed is set at 70mph North of Chalfont. Believe it's down to 60 these days?? Cannot imagine a first gen DMU getting past 60 on the climb to the Chilterns mind.
Probably a throw back to the days when main line expresses shared the route!
Wasn’t the LUL A stock originally designed with 70mph in mind. Not aware of them ever running above 60mph though, and they were later restricted to 50mph.
@@limeyfox They were booked to run at 65 from what i recall but they could on an Amersham fast (non stop Fin Rd to Harrow) get to 70+........
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus We used to time them (using the Chiltern line markers) from Willesden Green to Neasden. Wasn't uncommon to be touching 70. Believe there was a restriction through Wembley Park of around 50. The faster runs were usually post evening rush hour with plenty of juice available and crew probably just wanting to get home.
Full throttle is about 1900 rpm for these trains. Boy racers would really hate it!
I never signed DMUs but have driven a few, some 104s on the Gospel Oak line with a driver i knew there and a bubble car on a route learning trip....great fun!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus am i right? Full throttle is 1900 rpm, and you cannot rev any higher?
@@Housephonestimes4 Not absolutely sure as i never signed them, it is around that mark, rev right up, let the revs drop by half and then knock up to the next gear and rev again.....repeat until in 4th....unless you had a Bed-Pan class 127...they were auto so i'm told....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Yes, because no driver has ever revved past the CHANGE UP marker.
London Transport cooing stones at Wendover over twenty years since the extension was abandoned
Well, it was the Met & Great Central Joint so i suppose LT had responsibility for this bit as their trains stopped at these stations. As far as i know LT still have running powers over these lines as far as Quainton Road (be a bit hard now to get to Verney Junction or Brill!).
It was interesting that the DMU had back up station, may the driver was in a big hurry, Must say how with their AEC Engines they sound like Regent Mk V.
The line was under absolute block working in those days so was permissable. Staff didn't like to leave people behind, the service on a Sunday was quite poor at this time.....
Leyland albion engines on the 115, much more powerful than AECs
Class 115's last ran on the Chiltern line in 1992 then it was entirely worked by Turbos. And what is that 115 doing at 3:08?
Someone appeared just as the train was leaving so the guard stopped the train and had the driver set back into the platform! I think the line was worked under absolute block at the time so was quite permissable.
Leyland Albion 800 rather than AEC in the class 115 if I recall rightly. Great vid
Could be....I think by the time these were built Leyland had a hand in AEC, certainly they took them over at some point....and closed them down! Along with ever other firm they took over.....
They were the Class 115 units.
Thank god weve moved on to better infrastucture etc since these days of BR
The Chiltern Lines was unloved under BR, they didn't really want it. It was pushed back & forth between regions (ER and LMR) neither of whom wanted the cost of up-keeping it. Until Network SouthEast came along and Chris Green made the case for total route modernisation. Then the line was relaid, re-signalled and brand new trains introduced (Turbo's, not very good for enthusiasts but great for your average passenger) and it's not looked back since! But it started under Sectorisation which was one of the best things BR did, that system really got a grip on the railway and amde a large part of the system pay and get the subsidy down on the bits that never would (but we still needed to make the 'system' a system!).......
Loved BR.worked for them five years...underinvested massively, but good times.😘
@@mikeyb444 The railways have the money now but sadly under the 'expert' control of civil servants!
Better infrastructure? BR had no money then but the infrastructure was better looked after in those days. The infrastructure now has Buddleia growing everywhere, together with poorly maintained track. Gone are the days of individual track gangs that had pride in their work.
Nice blowing exhaust on that first one. What was the third one doing? False start? I hope the platform there was being re-laid and it wasn't just always like that.
The platforms were that run down at the time, BR didn't really want to keep the line going! And the train set back as someone came running just as the train was leaving (see MrGriser's answer above).
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Couldn't ever imagine that happening today, only on TV ads!
I remember these and the distinctive exhaust note (Morris Minors have a similar trick) from Leicester to Birmingham New Street services in early 80's. As young spotters we christened them "Bog Rolls" as the jouncey ride over jointed rails was as comfortable as using the "Bronco" toilet paper provided onboard. Modern rolling stock has no atmosphere compared to these, regardless of how improved the ride is or how few seat squab springs you can feel sticking into your backside. How many miles did these units run during their service life? So robust, those AEC straight six engines would keep going and going, only beaten for clag in the old days by certain examples of 31/1 around Nuneaton.
These are mostly class 115's which pretty much stayed on the Chiltern their whole life (side note-the timetable number for the Chiltern Line is 115 as well!) but there were other classes similar to these probably with different engines (there were Leylands, BUT's ect) and all much more fun to ride on and with decent seats to sit on and sink into rather than the hard crunch of a class 700!!!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus That crazy Donald Trump declares nuclear war on the Hurricane.
I would guess that these trains did two or three million miles in their life of about 30 years. Two or three hundred miles a day works out to about this figure.
Last night (15-09-19) I rode from Oxford to Bicester Village in a Class 165/0 unit, the type that replaced the 115s in the early 1990s so is now about as old as the trains in this video were when the video was made. It ran like new.
@@cedriclynch Yes, i remember them on test on the Chilterns back in 1991 so yes, it's weird to think the Turbo's are now as old as these class 115's. ps-strange how the class are 115 and so is the timetable number for the Aylesbury route!
@@cedriclynch like most 1st gen units the 115s were built with an expected lifecycle of 15 years. They were indeed falling to pieces at the end. The engines though we're pretty tough all things considered. The 115s were worked especially hard on this route as there was usually a speedy met line unit not far behind. Agree...the 165s are excellent units which have aged well. Can see them being re-engined with greener power plants.
Last train changed to second gear at about ten mph.
That seems a bit early?.....
Gear changing is controlled by the driver, with guidance from "change up" and "change down" marks on the tachometer. Normally the driver would change up to second gear at 15 mph, third at 28 mph and fourth (top) at 40 mph. The tachometer goes past the "change up" mark at just under 60 mph in top gear and is almost off the scale if the train reaches its official maximum speed of 70 mph.
@@cedriclynch Can the engine rev higher than 2000rpm?
@@cedriclynch Thanks for the info, it's been over 20 years sine drove one (& i didn't sign them)...i do recall getting the road learning bubble car up to 70 though......
@@Housephonestimes4 I don't know what the actual figures are. I used to watch through the window between the passenger compartment and the driver, and the figures are not clearly marked enough to read from that distance. What is marked clearly is a yellow arc on the scale that the driver is supposed to keep the needle within when possible, except at idle. The engines do have rev limiting devices, that come into operation with a sort of spluttering sound if the driver applies power without having a gear engaged (which drivers sometimes used to do when starting the engines). With a microphone and an oscilloscope it would be possible to measure the engine revs from a sound recording. Clearly the revs can go about 15% beyond what they are at the "change up" mark.
Your footage at Chalfont and Chorleywood must have been during an event day (what was The Special?) as you are evidently not the only photographer! Things seem scarcely to have changed, besides a yellow line and some tactile paving.
It was Steam on the Met 1989. In those days the Aylesbury was only a shuttle to Amersham until the mid afternoon when through trains ran to Marylebone, how times change!
What was emergency stop and reversal for?
I think either someone missed their train or their stop, so the guard stopped the train and had the driver set back! happy days when we had a real railway.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus we need real railway back. 👍
@@vincitveritas3872 I'm all for that! At the end BR had been got into a good, healthy position with freight, parcels, InterCity & NSE (eventually) into profit. Even Reggie Rail had got costs down and ridership up.....and then it was all smashed to smithereens!
yeah because if the train missed its stop the guard will come out and call the driver to move back into its correct position
I think someone has missed its stop
Do you have Footage of Chiltern Mainline in 2004?
I may have a few shots around Ruislip way. I caught a few Wrexham loco hauled and a sandite DMU....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Cool! Cant wait to see it
@@uktransportgames I will check my records and see what i can do.....
Hi There Again my real Name is Mr Cannadine T. Boxill-Harris, I have another interesting idea for most of you Class 507, Class 508, Class 313, and Class 314 and that also includes those interesting Class 315 Fans out there, rather than scrapping most of those Class 507, Class 508, Class 313's Class 314 including the Class 315's maybe you guys can convert them. Including the refurbishment into the Volvo TD102KF Engine Leyland 680 Engine, Volvo B10M Engine, Scania N112 Engine, Cummins M11 Engine, Gardner 6LXC Engine, Gardner 6LXB Engine, Gardner 8LXB Engine, Class 507, Class 508, Class 313's, Class 314's and the Class 315's and convert all of them into a 2 Carriages and Three Carriages of the Class 313's, Class 314's and that is including those Class 315's
for most of us Class 314 and Class 315 Diesel Train Fans Pretty PLEASE. Are you still going to do this interesting type of Project for all of us out there Please?
Stop commenting on people’s videos. Where it has no relevance to the video. Your account has been reported, your Facebook has been reported. Just stop
Thank you.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Your welcome.