This is why Josh Scott breaks the internet demonstrating the versatility of a tube screamer clone with a 2-band Eq. The bones of a Timmy with hot glue. Like how you go through the schematics. I know too many guitar players who think pedal circuits are "magic" of some sort.
Would love to see a schematic and tear down of the nobels original and reissue. Not the mini. Have been wanting to figure out how to mod in a bass pot (not a switch). And a presence trim knob would be cool as well.
It’s worth saying that Nick Greer did talk to Paul Cochrane during the development of the Lightspeed to get his blessing. It’s not as insidious as the whole Jan Ray/Amp 11 situation.
Fun fact about the Pepper Pedals Better Setter. Not only does it help you align your knobs, but an un-advertised feature is that the tool keeps the knob perfectly hovered above the enclosure so that it’s not rubbing against it in a weird way.
What im interested in is, how many pedals out there are basically the same. We need a review that tells us this, because this seems like its just for collectors to have different colours.
Thanks for clearing that up for me. I knew it had to be based on something. Nick has, to my knowledge, never created an original circuit. I got to know him, bought quite a few pedals from him, and spent a fair amount of time over at his place, near winterville, back around 2007/2009. He was very forthcoming about his pedals, and what they were based on. So I knew this had to have its origins in something else. His pedals have come along way. when I owned and was buying pedals from him, they were either on home etched board, or held together in what looked like heavy duty electrical tape. He also painted his own enclosures, which looked really cool. I don't know why he goops the boards. He's not doing anything new, original or proprietary. It's not like Finnegan with his Klon, or Paul C's Timmy/Tim. He really needs to get over it. I seriously doubt he's on anyone's radar for cloning his copied and modded circuits. Maybe at some point you can do an analysis of the 72 Degrees or RAW from Machine Head Pedals. Keith Aviles is the opposite of Greer. His designs are all original from the ground up, and he doesn't use goop. He does some really interesting designs, and they don't really sound like anything else.
I enjoyed the schematic comparison. The light speed gets a lot of hype and it’s basically a Timmy. I love overdrives but man some of this pedal culture just has us chasing our own tails, huh?
I don't understand why Greer gooped the inside being this pedal is a modified Timmy. What were they really trying to hide? My favorite low gain pedal however, it' sounds amazing and the Greer Southland for a bit more gain is also a fantastic transparent overdrive pedal.
@@graybenchelec I bought it off of Reverb. The circuit boards say Greer, amps, but they are blue in color. Also, the small board at the bottom with the switch on it looks a little different. It is probably a different kind of switch that they have decided to start using. Hopefully, I did not get a fake lightspeed pedal.
I just opened up my Greer light speed organic overdrive pedal tie die edition same exact as yours and inside there's no goop or black marker or anything no paint it's clean all the resistors you could see the color codes etc. I posted a short video showing everything on my channel check it out
@@Amish_Trivedi maybe he was hoping that if he copied Bill Finnegan with the Goop, his pegal will someday be as valuable like the Klon, then realized "not". Lol
I think that's a reasonable assertion. You can get some aesthetically pleasing layouts in a pedal with solid core wire, but a couple years of banging around in the back of a tour bus will work-harden the copper and cause brittleness, possibly leading to broken connections. This might be mitigated by proper strain relief.
What an absolute dick move gooping and painting components is. Like you said, anyone with a brain cell can unpick that mess in 30 mins if they were so inclined. All it does is make it impossible to repair for the average person. 🤷♀
@@boimesa8190 if you look at it from a circuit perspective not very. Actual tone and feel on the other hand they’re very different. Yeah they’re both transparent overdrives but really they excel at different things. Timmy is great at pushing you amp into overdrive (most of the drive comes from the amp) while the Lightspeed is amazing at copping pure amp overdrive with volume at unity with your amp (amp isn’t giving my overdrive it’s all coming from the pedal). The Timmy has a lot more gain on tap but flubs out. The Lightspeed does not. These are my two favourite overdrives (guess I have a type) and they stack beautifully. My rock tone is a Timmy pushing a Lightspeed
I could be wrong but I wonder if the reason my lightspeed stopped working (no sound or LED when footswitch is engaged) is because of goop interfering with components.
@@pj_day doubtful, that goop isnt conductive and if anything it will help hold solder joints in place...just getting the goop off to diagnose the problem is now a possible problem itself. Itay silly to goop but it wont damage a thing.
A really beautiful pedal by a great pedalmaker running a great small company. I worry your calling them "teardowns" makes people think you're here to destroy people and I don't think that's the case-
This is why Josh Scott breaks the internet demonstrating the versatility of a tube screamer clone with a 2-band Eq. The bones of a Timmy with hot glue. Like how you go through the schematics. I know too many guitar players who think pedal circuits are "magic" of some sort.
Would love to see a schematic and tear down of the nobels original and reissue. Not the mini. Have been wanting to figure out how to mod in a bass pot (not a switch). And a presence trim knob would be cool as well.
It’s worth saying that Nick Greer did talk to Paul Cochrane during the development of the Lightspeed to get his blessing. It’s not as insidious as the whole Jan Ray/Amp 11 situation.
Brilliant little demonstration of the Better Setter!!! Thanks for sharing and supporting.
Fun fact about the Pepper Pedals Better Setter. Not only does it help you align your knobs, but an un-advertised feature is that the tool keeps the knob perfectly hovered above the enclosure so that it’s not rubbing against it in a weird way.
I can't hold everyone's hands. Gotta let folk figure out the nifty tricks 😉
There are a few hidden tricks with the Rocket Sockets too 🤫
this is by far the best lo gain overdrive I've tried. I also used it to record a song and man, one of the best tones I've ever had.
What im interested in is, how many pedals out there are basically the same. We need a review that tells us this, because this seems like its just for collectors to have different colours.
Fantastic pedal, and I have tried more than a few.
I only recently discovered this channel, it’s brilliant!
Thankyou
Thanks for clearing that up for me. I knew it had to be based on something. Nick has, to my knowledge, never created an original circuit. I got to know him, bought quite a few pedals from him, and spent a fair amount of time over at his place, near winterville, back around 2007/2009. He was very forthcoming about his pedals, and what they were based on. So I knew this had to have its origins in something else.
His pedals have come along way. when I owned and was buying pedals from him, they were either on home etched board, or held together in what looked like heavy duty electrical tape. He also painted his own enclosures, which looked really cool. I don't know why he goops the boards. He's not doing anything new, original or proprietary. It's not like Finnegan with his Klon, or Paul C's Timmy/Tim. He really needs to get over it. I seriously doubt he's on anyone's radar for cloning his copied and modded circuits.
Maybe at some point you can do an analysis of the 72 Degrees or RAW from Machine Head Pedals. Keith Aviles is the opposite of Greer. His designs are all original from the ground up, and he doesn't use goop. He does some really interesting designs, and they don't really sound like anything else.
I want to see some JHS teardowns. I have a couple and I'm too scared to do it lol. Unicorn V2 and the Rat Pack
I've opened a few, newer ones are mostly smt you certainly won't break anything just taking off the back
Now I am wondering if my Greer Royal Velvet is a copy of something... any chance you would look into this circuit?
Could you get your hands on a Drive-O-Matic?
Would love if you tore down a revival drive
I enjoyed the schematic comparison. The light speed gets a lot of hype and it’s basically a Timmy. I love overdrives but man some of this pedal culture just has us chasing our own tails, huh?
I seriously design my pedals with extra mindfulness in case you procure one and open it up. 😂
Watch out, no one is safe!😈
It sure don't sound like no TS. And I mean that in the nicest way.
What? I can not believe I have never heard that Greer goops pedals, kind of a deal breaker for me. What if theres an issue or you want a mod?
Are the schematics and parts the exact same as the lightspeed?
I don't understand why Greer gooped the inside being this pedal is a modified Timmy. What were they really trying to hide? My favorite low gain pedal however, it' sounds amazing and the Greer Southland for a bit more gain is also a fantastic transparent overdrive pedal.
Maybe they were trying to hide that it's a modded Timmy?
pls do a king of tone teardown!! Thank you so much!
I've been on the waiting list for over 4 years haha
The Vref for either the Lightspeed or the Timmy isn't quite half, according to those resistor values.
True good info. Thanks!
Great vid! I have the Tim and wanted to try the lightspeed but not seeing that needed now.
I bought one in early 2021, it does not have any goop or glue. I have a gut shot somewhere.
I have the same exact pedal with the same exact colors that tie dye it's on my board now you could see it on my videos
@GreyBench What brand/type of flat lace screwdriver are you using for the knobs?
I don't see the exact one I have, but this is pretty similar: www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt/5013488713
I have heard the Light Speed is a Timmy clone, yes or no ?
You could call it a modified or even simplified Timmy, yes.
this pedal sounds great. tell me where to find OPA2134 that is not fake?
www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/OPA2134PA?qs=7nS3%252BbEUL6uyT34OzaiM4g%3D%3D
@@graybenchelec Settled that one quickly lol
I have opened up my Lightspeed, and it does not have any goop. Have they changed since the filming of this?
News to me. Did you get it new from Greer recently?
@@graybenchelec I bought it off of Reverb. The circuit boards say Greer, amps, but they are blue in color. Also, the small board at the bottom with the switch on it looks a little different. It is probably a different kind of switch that they have decided to start using. Hopefully, I did not get a fake lightspeed pedal.
@@JohnWDGTandTele Gotcha, builders will use different parts over time depending on availability. I wouldn't worry too much on it.
I just opened up my Greer light speed organic overdrive pedal tie die edition same exact as yours and inside there's no goop or black marker or anything no paint it's clean all the resistors you could see the color codes etc. I posted a short video showing everything on my channel check it out
Yeah he did it early on but not anymore. Won't stop the commenters from being jerks about it though :)
@@Amish_Trivedi maybe he was hoping that if he copied Bill Finnegan with the Goop, his pegal will someday be as valuable like the Klon, then realized "not". Lol
@@Amish_Trivedi We should be kind of jerks about it, but I am glad he stopped.
How do they both compare to the tube screamer circuit?
Totally different
@@NERDOFUNK Wrong answer.
@@mikekashaev not at all. Look at this channels tear down of the Timmy and paul himself comments on the video saying they’re NOT alike
Solid core wire is a no no in pedals. I don’t care who uses it.
I think that's a reasonable assertion. You can get some aesthetically pleasing layouts in a pedal with solid core wire, but a couple years of banging around in the back of a tour bus will work-harden the copper and cause brittleness, possibly leading to broken connections. This might be mitigated by proper strain relief.
@@graybenchelec it’s even worse if it isn’t wrapped around connections like jacks and pots. I use buss bar wire but only for grounding.
Neatness counts with electronics. I’m serious.
What an absolute dick move gooping and painting components is. Like you said, anyone with a brain cell can unpick that mess in 30 mins if they were so inclined. All it does is make it impossible to repair for the average person. 🤷♀
I almost bought one 😂 Glad I didn't
Wow - I am a bit shocked. I thought the Inside would be of higher quality? You talked me out of getting-one. Surprising & disappointing.
Goop? Seriously? That's a lot of effort to keep people from seeing it's a Timmy clone with a few values changed and a less versatile EQ.
the Lightspeed is one of the most over hyped pedals ever IMO
How different would you say it is?
@@boimesa8190 if you look at it from a circuit perspective not very. Actual tone and feel on the other hand they’re very different. Yeah they’re both transparent overdrives but really they excel at different things. Timmy is great at pushing you amp into overdrive (most of the drive comes from the amp) while the Lightspeed is amazing at copping pure amp overdrive with volume at unity with your amp (amp isn’t giving my overdrive it’s all coming from the pedal). The Timmy has a lot more gain on tap but flubs out. The Lightspeed does not. These are my two favourite overdrives (guess I have a type) and they stack beautifully. My rock tone is a Timmy pushing a Lightspeed
I could be wrong but I wonder if the reason my lightspeed stopped working (no sound or LED when footswitch is engaged) is because of goop interfering with components.
@@pj_day doubtful, that goop isnt conductive and if anything it will help hold solder joints in place...just getting the goop off to diagnose the problem is now a possible problem itself. Itay silly to goop but it wont damage a thing.
A really beautiful pedal by a great pedalmaker running a great small company. I worry your calling them "teardowns" makes people think you're here to destroy people and I don't think that's the case-
That would be presumptuous of them, if that would be the case.
Glue... hard pass.
Abosulutely. It´s 2023, I won´t support the kind of builders that try to hide components. If I buy a pedal, I want to easily know what´s inside.
@@josearjona3728 They don't do it anymore. Mine's a 2021 and there's nothing in it. It was an early days thing-