Vampires tend to get the short end of the stick in most D&D lore. Because becoming a true vampire means you're alignment shifts to evil. No matter what your intentions were, everything about you becomes tainted.
Some of these comments denying ascended Astarion as evil is surprising but not surprising at the same time. I get y’all love him, but my man is evil through and through when he ascends (and especially cruel if you play as Karlach in her origin story and romance him when he ascends, calling her broken and a lost cause). And are we forgetting that he was the first to ask Tav (or Durge) in Act 2 to utilize the tadpoles for world domination 😭? Please have some sense y’all! Ascended Astarion may not be Cazador, but freedom and power are two different things!
For him, power is freedom. By the way, he's going to hell for Karlach if he doesn't turn her into a spawn. Astarion is an evil character, but he is not evil towards our character. I think that's why some people get confused.
@@ChaosFoxy My problem is that people think "evil means not able to feel something for Tav", one is not related to the other. >____< I played Karlach Origin just to prove Ascended Astarion appreciates his partner.
Someone on the writers's team really must hate vampires. Astarion gets so many more dialogue options that are outright awful towards him, more than any other companion, regardless of alignment.
Oh yes.. I'd love to go through an count exactly how many moments you can kill him/betray him story-wise in comparison to other companions, The primary writers didn't seem to hate Astarion, but loved dark humour.. the Narrative Lead writing-director DEFINITELY has a spite towards vampires.. considering he took over writing ascended variant and you can see how your choices just plummet even further into dimwit or good-aligned reactions. Not to mention for being SUCH A SCARY EVIL character- there are ZERO implications to you when being rude/break up/kick in the balls to Ascended. Wow.. so evil.. stamping his feet and pouting.. woo boy.. look out people. *shakes head* Astarion was turned into a trap for dark fantasy fans, simple as that. The character deserves better than that.. for both angles.. and yup.. this is what we'll be stuck with.
I swear, Minthatra is the true best girl of BG3, because instead of having a moralistic streak and seeing things in black and white, she sees the shades of grey and instead of shaming Astarion for ascending she actively supports his desire and always encourages him and others to fight for their freedom and rights. I think she's the only one who accepts the Ascendent Astarion (the only other one being Shar's Shadowheart, maybe) because she understands how important power is, and she never shames you or him for wanting to gain power, unlike all other companions (and even Gale, what is with his reaction? He literally accepts you becoming Bhaal's Chosen and is fine with it - which is 10x worse in the long run - but hates Ascended Astarion? The fuck?). Throw in intense loyalty and rationalism and I just absolutely love her. Easily the best female companion in my gang. I have heard that there was some leaked info that Larian possibly plans to make an update where we will be able to recruit Minthara without killing tieflings - you just then have to choose between her and Halsin - and I so hope that it's true because more people need to get to know her better. She is an extremely interesting, well-written and complex character, who is not an evil jerk, but one that understands that in order to survive the world that hunts you (and Astarion WILL be hunted regardless of whether he is ascended or not - he's still a vampire) you need to drop your idealism and focus on self-preservation and watch out for yourself and people closest to you. It comes across as evil, but in reality this is just a cold pragmatism that will keep you alive.
100% This! I love Minthara for the same reasons and always bring her and Dark Justicar Shadowheart with me to ascend Astarion. Shadowheart will tell Astarion that she won't stand in his way cause scarifice is needed for power. Those are the only two supportive companions. Wyll can scarifice his own father to become Duke and he still wants to lecture other people. I can't wait to be able to get rid of Haslin without having to stuff his body in the camp trunk. I always felt that he should have been optional after curing the Shadow Curse
Actually, Gale is totally cool with Ascended!Astarion and finds him hot if Gale is romancing him. Dude just has, well, zero preservation instinct when it comes to EXTREMELY problematic and dubious lovers full of red flags. Ascended!Astarion, Bhaalist Durge, Sharran!Shadowheart... just listen to Tara, dude, just listen to Tara.
For the life of me I cannot understand why everyone immediately starts accusing him of being like Cazador. He is saying the same things he did in act 1 and 2, why shame him for it now and not before? He hasn't done anything these hypocrites in the party didn't participate in, too! Such a bizarre writing choice, very "in your face" moralizing and it doesn't even make half a sense. For example you can't convince me goodie-two-shoes Wyll will have more common sense ruling as a Dyke, he already proved how easily manipulatable he is with Mizora. Gale thinks he's fit to be a god, Laezel wants to conquer everything for Vlaakith or Orpheus. But when Astarion wants to rule one city that's suddenly too much for these same people?
His actions also shows he is not Cazador. He says sometimes red flag stuff, but his actions are always nice towards Tav. He treats you nothing like he was treated. Youre put on a pedestal, always says "you" before "me" in his future plans. He is finally his own master, not even Tav can control him anymore. He stays because he loves us, not because he needs our support for being weak as a spawn
The problem of writers who want to impose "morality". In fact, Astarion could be a cruel tyrant unlike Wyll, this is evident from his further statements and desire to capture the brain. But no one can say that at this moment. It's too early. No one know if he would been like Cazador or not. No one even really knows Cazador to say that!? That's why I think it's a bad writing. Writers just genuinely hate this version of Astarion. There are no other reasons. Everyone immediately starts hating him just because he got a lot of power, it's just ridiculous.
@@nyloth I mean to be fair, there are lines to criticize most companions for when they do stuff for power (Wyll's pact, Karlach soul coins, Gale's past, etc.). Also most companions dislike anything having to do with devils. Astarion sacrificed a ton of souls to make a pact with a literal devil for entirely selfish reasons. Not lives, souls. The whole thing is explicitly made out to be a "vile" and "profane" ritual. They also describe it very similarly to an Illithid or Bhall's chosen where the person loses themselves over time. Overall Astarion choosing to do the ritual is just objectively much worse than anything the standard companions choose to do throughout the game. I don't really think it's bad writing considering it was consistent story telling throughout finding out about the ritual and how Astarion acts afterwards...
@@7deathshadow This is an evil act, but they are not talking about the act. They are not talking his behavior after it. That he would been consumed by megalomania and that he would have ruined the city. Still, this is not the same as talking about the ritual itself. They can't know what Astarion would do to the city. I think hearing that from Gale, who wants to become a God, is a lot of fun.
@@nyloth The point of their statements is that by choosing to do the ritual it showed he was truly evil and power hungry. I think that's pretty straightforward. The other companion's actions also depend on how you played through their story. Most will end up doing the "right'" thing if left to their own devices..... except Astarion unless he's alone. Which it is worth noting if he confronts and defeats Cazador on his own, he doesn't complete the ritual and saves all of the spawn as they are "innocents". Like Astarion is written as a largely immoral character who has the capacity for good. I think it's pretty consistent writing if he picks the blatantly evil option, even by his own standards, he's treated as an evil character. Also Gale and I think even Lae'zel when asked about having a vampire in camp explicitly say it's fine as long as he shows control. With Gale adding context of knowing how it is to be hungry for power. So both of them turning on him when he shows a lack a constraint is also just consistent with their characters from Act 1.
Многие слишком слепы и глупы, раз не видят в нем живого человека со своими целями и желанием, чтоб его любили. Он не зло, ему можно показать другой путь. Он всегда был таким, но ведь есть Тав, которая может помочь увидить мир другими красками и переосмыслить многое. Раны и боль с годами уйдут. Ну соврал про отродье. .. У вампиров вои замашки. Он просто заново родившийся ребёнок с прошлым на душе. Сколько эмоций и взглядов он показывает, пусть и заносит его. Поскорее они добавили бы функцию обнимашек.😢 Возвышённый - лучший финал для Асти... Он чувствует себя живым и спутница под боком есть, а мир захватить - вечности хватит.
Не спутница, а зверушка, которую он будет до конца жизни считать униженкой и терпилой, которой даже при интиме не будет в глаза смотреть, ибо недостойна. Спутница только собственность, которая и слова критики сказать не смеет, а если будет говорить, что больно, то получит наказание. Вознёсшемуся плевать кто и что недоволен им, он больше не хочет и не может казаться простачком, а попытаться исправить, так это унизить его эго. Он сам себе указ. Ни всякому стремлению и желанию нужно потакать. Ну, бьётся сердце, и? Души то нет, чувства извращены. Теперь на нём маска всего из себя такого сильного, крутого, но за этой маской вообще никаких хороших, искренних чувств Ведь можно помочь иначе, вместе найти решение с солнцем, вместе пройти пройти этот путь, узнать много нового, но при этом остаться собой, без жести
@@fereela полегчало? пруфы то есть с наказанием или только догмы спавн фанатов? в файлах клиента даже есть инфа что мы можем уйти от него в конце с: никакого наказания, ой да?
@@fereela Один раз назвал зверушкой и понеслось... А мой консул, моё сокровище не считается? Скажи и я все сделаю - тоже его слова. Зверьком один раз назвал - будто в жизни не называют люди друг друга зверями. Возвысьте и пройдите тест на любовь у дриады (главное Орин выловить в других местах). Она скажет : любящие сердце очень ранимо. Между вами особая связь, мне не воздействовать на вашу любовь. Это прекрасно. Чисто ради своего интереса пойдите и узнаете. Он действительно испытает любовь. И если ему было всеравно, он не спрашивал мнения чего хочет Тав и тем более не соглашался. Первые минуты повыпендривался и успокоился. Если вы видите его таким, это не значит что он такой. Люди и правда слепы, раз не могут уделить время после обращения в вампира и понаблюдать за ним. Это сугубо лично моё мнение и менять его точно не собираюсь. Возвышённый лично для меня - идеальный вариант. И Тав действительно повезло.
@@viverdie вообще я думаю что тест дриады не показатель, потому что там для всех реакции одинаковые. Зато вот разговор в трибунале убийств может быть более показательным, если выбрать вариант "моя любовь знает секрет бессмертия".
@@nyloth отличия небольшие есть. В основном к ней заглядывала до возвышения Астариона и диалог был схож с другими ( если не брать Орин), а вчера пошла с возвышенным. Формально ответы те-же, но конечный диалог другой. Про трибунал мельком видела у других , но сама играю за сопротивление отцу, то трибунал сразу выкашиваю. Не лежит душа к Баал. Будь владыка бездны Ситис - вот тут да, прям с головой отдамся.😄
Will never do this, this is not canon aaaaaaaaa.... Sorry ulma but you will always have to die, its not like you will kiss Tav on the forehead and allowing them to feed on your blood, why would tav or durge do the 'right' thing if that means they end up alone? I take the Lord's side anytime
He has political ambition. The same as he had when he was a magistrate. He's not evil, he just wants to be the man he always wanted to be. It's ridiculous how some people don't see this.
I won't say he's not evil. Still, he can be quite cruel, selfish and immoral. But I will say that power in his view is freedom. So I don't understand when people say he's not really free. He is really free and free to do whatever he wants.
@@lavishlyvice yeah, I didn't make myself clear in the initial comment. What I meant is that ascention doesn't turn him into a monster. He just wants to be the city elite, not bring all kinds of horrors on people. I mean, he remains true to himself pre-ascension, a corrupt ambitious magistrate. And DnD-wise spawn is neutral evil.
Why you do this to us?!, poor baby. I know he's not a good person( never was to begin with) but i still think that with Tav ruling by his side he can be a little more compassionate with the world if Tav guides him to that direction, his hunger for power can be just political too and the kind of corrupted politics, wich lets be honest it exist in the real world on every country. And we dont see bloodbaths on the streets ( with some exceptions, pray for those poor countries in war). So i imagine if he does end up rulings the city might be similar to a corrupt politician or communists?
Thing is, you would never have ruled "by his side". His vampiric nature, by design, makes him want to possess you, therefore making Tav no more than a tool (ironic given Astarion was Cazador's tool)
@ghostprojekt my Tav never wanted to rule anything, just want to be by his side so is ok, she will be the one that appeals to be more compassionate when he gets extra.
@petitesayo4542 sigh, what you want me to say? Yes? Does it make you feel better? If you have commitments issues, or ascendand triggers some sort of trauma on you, is ok, but for me it gives me feelings of security and protection, do you think he will treat you as a pet?, suit yourself, fulfill your angst desires, just do not come here and try to impose your view on me, im sorry for any trauma you might have but this is not how I see the Ascendand route, he does not show any abuse towards TAV, soo go away and expose your ideas with other like minded people.
@@nylothя кстати на сабреддите по БГ3 написал свои идеи по улучшению романа с вознесëнным Астарионом, но тамошние задроты на меня набросились чтобы показать какие они знатоки ДнД лора и почему мои идеи противоречат ему. Один мудак написал что я таким подходом могу идти писать фанфики, а другой начал на меня гнать дескать что игра прямым текстом говорит что вознесëнный Астарион ничего хорошего не принесëт и мои ответы им ещё и заминусили включая ответ где я прямо сказал что я не эксперт по ДнД и просто делюсь мыслями. Вот такое вот дружелюбное комьюнити у игры. По крайней мере на сабреддите.
@@spcellAI оно везде такое к сожалению. Упоминаете Вознесенного Астариона получаете взрыв пятой точки от фанатиков Спавна, у меня уже даже ответные видео-мемы есть. Я на форуме открыла тему в фидбеке, где попросила улучшить его диалог после ритуала. Добавить буквально 1 вариант ответа. Так на меня накинулись что божееее неееет все так и задумано авторами цикл абьюза блаблабла. Короче да... Но если вы предложите что-то для Спавна Астариона то получите 100500 плюсов на реддите да и вообще везде.
I don't mind evil Astarion. If I were tortured and tormented for 200 years, I don't know that I would come out the other side with my humanity intact either. I would probably be filled with a lot of rage, resentment, cynicism, and I would covet power above all else. Because having power is the only thing that would protect me, not friendship and not love. Putting myself in his shoes, that is how I would feel. So I pass no judgement on the path he chooses to take. I would kill him if he turns against me though, lol.
That ‘finally be free’ hit me right in the feels 😢
Vampires tend to get the short end of the stick in most D&D lore. Because becoming a true vampire means you're alignment shifts to evil. No matter what your intentions were, everything about you becomes tainted.
The same goes for vampire spawn.
spawn is also a vampire
I mean... the whole point of D&D is the RP and one can always find a way, a reason, for ones character to be good, even if they become a vampire.
I saw in Astrion's desire not only freedom, but permissiveness. "Do what the hell I want," as he says in Act 1. And I love it's in him
Some of these comments denying ascended Astarion as evil is surprising but not surprising at the same time. I get y’all love him, but my man is evil through and through when he ascends (and especially cruel if you play as Karlach in her origin story and romance him when he ascends, calling her broken and a lost cause).
And are we forgetting that he was the first to ask Tav (or Durge) in Act 2 to utilize the tadpoles for world domination 😭? Please have some sense y’all! Ascended Astarion may not be Cazador, but freedom and power are two different things!
For him, power is freedom. By the way, he's going to hell for Karlach if he doesn't turn her into a spawn. Astarion is an evil character, but he is not evil towards our character. I think that's why some people get confused.
@@ChaosFoxy My problem is that people think "evil means not able to feel something for Tav", one is not related to the other. >____< I played Karlach Origin just to prove Ascended Astarion appreciates his partner.
Damn the companions couldn't even wait for the corpse to get cold...er than usually before reading him 😅
Someone on the writers's team really must hate vampires. Astarion gets so many more dialogue options that are outright awful towards him, more than any other companion, regardless of alignment.
Well, he has the most lines period. His is the most extensive dialogue list out of all companions.
Oh yes.. I'd love to go through an count exactly how many moments you can kill him/betray him story-wise in comparison to other companions, The primary writers didn't seem to hate Astarion, but loved dark humour.. the Narrative Lead writing-director DEFINITELY has a spite towards vampires.. considering he took over writing ascended variant and you can see how your choices just plummet even further into dimwit or good-aligned reactions. Not to mention for being SUCH A SCARY EVIL character- there are ZERO implications to you when being rude/break up/kick in the balls to Ascended. Wow.. so evil.. stamping his feet and pouting.. woo boy.. look out people. *shakes head* Astarion was turned into a trap for dark fantasy fans, simple as that.
The character deserves better than that.. for both angles.. and yup.. this is what we'll be stuck with.
@@ChaosFoxy Lae'zel actually has the most ways to kill her in-game out of all companions.
To be honest? I get the impression they have a beef against twilight fans and decided to make it everyone's problem.
I swear, Minthatra is the true best girl of BG3, because instead of having a moralistic streak and seeing things in black and white, she sees the shades of grey and instead of shaming Astarion for ascending she actively supports his desire and always encourages him and others to fight for their freedom and rights. I think she's the only one who accepts the Ascendent Astarion (the only other one being Shar's Shadowheart, maybe) because she understands how important power is, and she never shames you or him for wanting to gain power, unlike all other companions (and even Gale, what is with his reaction? He literally accepts you becoming Bhaal's Chosen and is fine with it - which is 10x worse in the long run - but hates Ascended Astarion? The fuck?).
Throw in intense loyalty and rationalism and I just absolutely love her. Easily the best female companion in my gang.
I have heard that there was some leaked info that Larian possibly plans to make an update where we will be able to recruit Minthara without killing tieflings - you just then have to choose between her and Halsin - and I so hope that it's true because more people need to get to know her better. She is an extremely interesting, well-written and complex character, who is not an evil jerk, but one that understands that in order to survive the world that hunts you (and Astarion WILL be hunted regardless of whether he is ascended or not - he's still a vampire) you need to drop your idealism and focus on self-preservation and watch out for yourself and people closest to you. It comes across as evil, but in reality this is just a cold pragmatism that will keep you alive.
THIS 👏
I easily kill Tieflings for her. I really liked her even in early access.
100% This! I love Minthara for the same reasons and always bring her and Dark Justicar Shadowheart with me to ascend Astarion. Shadowheart will tell Astarion that she won't stand in his way cause scarifice is needed for power. Those are the only two supportive companions. Wyll can scarifice his own father to become Duke and he still wants to lecture other people. I can't wait to be able to get rid of Haslin without having to stuff his body in the camp trunk. I always felt that he should have been optional after curing the Shadow Curse
Actually, Gale is totally cool with Ascended!Astarion and finds him hot if Gale is romancing him. Dude just has, well, zero preservation instinct when it comes to EXTREMELY problematic and dubious lovers full of red flags. Ascended!Astarion, Bhaalist Durge, Sharran!Shadowheart... just listen to Tara, dude, just listen to Tara.
@@nyloth or you can do the Sheep!Tara heist and recruit both her and Halsin. That was hilarious, praised be whoever discovered the sheep loophole.
For the life of me I cannot understand why everyone immediately starts accusing him of being like Cazador. He is saying the same things he did in act 1 and 2, why shame him for it now and not before? He hasn't done anything these hypocrites in the party didn't participate in, too! Such a bizarre writing choice, very "in your face" moralizing and it doesn't even make half a sense.
For example you can't convince me goodie-two-shoes Wyll will have more common sense ruling as a Dyke, he already proved how easily manipulatable he is with Mizora. Gale thinks he's fit to be a god, Laezel wants to conquer everything for Vlaakith or Orpheus. But when Astarion wants to rule one city that's suddenly too much for these same people?
His actions also shows he is not Cazador. He says sometimes red flag stuff, but his actions are always nice towards Tav. He treats you nothing like he was treated. Youre put on a pedestal, always says "you" before "me" in his future plans. He is finally his own master, not even Tav can control him anymore. He stays because he loves us, not because he needs our support for being weak as a spawn
The problem of writers who want to impose "morality". In fact, Astarion could be a cruel tyrant unlike Wyll, this is evident from his further statements and desire to capture the brain. But no one can say that at this moment. It's too early. No one know if he would been like Cazador or not. No one even really knows Cazador to say that!? That's why I think it's a bad writing. Writers just genuinely hate this version of Astarion. There are no other reasons. Everyone immediately starts hating him just because he got a lot of power, it's just ridiculous.
@@nyloth I mean to be fair, there are lines to criticize most companions for when they do stuff for power (Wyll's pact, Karlach soul coins, Gale's past, etc.). Also most companions dislike anything having to do with devils. Astarion sacrificed a ton of souls to make a pact with a literal devil for entirely selfish reasons. Not lives, souls. The whole thing is explicitly made out to be a "vile" and "profane" ritual. They also describe it very similarly to an Illithid or Bhall's chosen where the person loses themselves over time.
Overall Astarion choosing to do the ritual is just objectively much worse than anything the standard companions choose to do throughout the game. I don't really think it's bad writing considering it was consistent story telling throughout finding out about the ritual and how Astarion acts afterwards...
@@7deathshadow This is an evil act, but they are not talking about the act. They are not talking his behavior after it. That he would been consumed by megalomania and that he would have ruined the city. Still, this is not the same as talking about the ritual itself. They can't know what Astarion would do to the city. I think hearing that from Gale, who wants to become a God, is a lot of fun.
@@nyloth The point of their statements is that by choosing to do the ritual it showed he was truly evil and power hungry. I think that's pretty straightforward. The other companion's actions also depend on how you played through their story. Most will end up doing the "right'" thing if left to their own devices..... except Astarion unless he's alone.
Which it is worth noting if he confronts and defeats Cazador on his own, he doesn't complete the ritual and saves all of the spawn as they are "innocents". Like Astarion is written as a largely immoral character who has the capacity for good. I think it's pretty consistent writing if he picks the blatantly evil option, even by his own standards, he's treated as an evil character.
Also Gale and I think even Lae'zel when asked about having a vampire in camp explicitly say it's fine as long as he shows control. With Gale adding context of knowing how it is to be hungry for power. So both of them turning on him when he shows a lack a constraint is also just consistent with their characters from Act 1.
Кругом пердатели. 😂 Я тоже его грохнула ради эксперимента. Бедный, бедный вампир. 🙈
За что вы с нашим асенДушкой так? :D Дайте меу силу и свободу! А не это вот все))
чтобы узнать всё что скрыто, х)
@@nylothпонятное дело xD
Многие слишком слепы и глупы, раз не видят в нем живого человека со своими целями и желанием, чтоб его любили. Он не зло, ему можно показать другой путь. Он всегда был таким, но ведь есть Тав, которая может помочь увидить мир другими красками и переосмыслить многое. Раны и боль с годами уйдут.
Ну соврал про отродье. .. У вампиров вои замашки.
Он просто заново родившийся ребёнок с прошлым на душе. Сколько эмоций и взглядов он показывает, пусть и заносит его.
Поскорее они добавили бы функцию обнимашек.😢
Возвышённый - лучший финал для Асти... Он чувствует себя живым и спутница под боком есть, а мир захватить - вечности хватит.
Не спутница, а зверушка, которую он будет до конца жизни считать униженкой и терпилой, которой даже при интиме не будет в глаза смотреть, ибо недостойна. Спутница только собственность, которая и слова критики сказать не смеет, а если будет говорить, что больно, то получит наказание. Вознёсшемуся плевать кто и что недоволен им, он больше не хочет и не может казаться простачком, а попытаться исправить, так это унизить его эго. Он сам себе указ. Ни всякому стремлению и желанию нужно потакать. Ну, бьётся сердце, и? Души то нет, чувства извращены. Теперь на нём маска всего из себя такого сильного, крутого, но за этой маской вообще никаких хороших, искренних чувств
Ведь можно помочь иначе, вместе найти решение с солнцем, вместе пройти пройти этот путь, узнать много нового, но при этом остаться собой, без жести
@@fereela полегчало? пруфы то есть с наказанием или только догмы спавн фанатов? в файлах клиента даже есть инфа что мы можем уйти от него в конце с: никакого наказания, ой да?
@@fereela Один раз назвал зверушкой и понеслось... А мой консул, моё сокровище не считается? Скажи и я все сделаю - тоже его слова.
Зверьком один раз назвал - будто в жизни не называют люди друг друга зверями.
Возвысьте и пройдите тест на любовь у дриады (главное Орин выловить в других местах). Она скажет : любящие сердце очень ранимо. Между вами особая связь, мне не воздействовать на вашу любовь. Это прекрасно.
Чисто ради своего интереса пойдите и узнаете. Он действительно испытает любовь.
И если ему было всеравно, он не спрашивал мнения чего хочет Тав и тем более не соглашался.
Первые минуты повыпендривался и успокоился.
Если вы видите его таким, это не значит что он такой.
Люди и правда слепы, раз не могут уделить время после обращения в вампира и понаблюдать за ним.
Это сугубо лично моё мнение и менять его точно не собираюсь.
Возвышённый лично для меня - идеальный вариант. И Тав действительно повезло.
@@viverdie вообще я думаю что тест дриады не показатель, потому что там для всех реакции одинаковые. Зато вот разговор в трибунале убийств может быть более показательным, если выбрать вариант "моя любовь знает секрет бессмертия".
@@nyloth отличия небольшие есть. В основном к ней заглядывала до возвышения Астариона и диалог был схож с другими ( если не брать Орин), а вчера пошла с возвышенным. Формально ответы те-же, но конечный диалог другой.
Про трибунал мельком видела у других , но сама играю за сопротивление отцу, то трибунал сразу выкашиваю. Не лежит душа к Баал. Будь владыка бездны Ситис - вот тут да, прям с головой отдамся.😄
Will never do this, this is not canon aaaaaaaaa.... Sorry ulma but you will always have to die, its not like you will kiss Tav on the forehead and allowing them to feed on your blood, why would tav or durge do the 'right' thing if that means they end up alone? I take the Lord's side anytime
Same! I rather be with Ascended Astarion for all eternity than to have this outcome
"Sorry Ulma but you will always have to die" lmao that's a mood jsksj and I'm in an eternal Spawn-Astarion team but yes, I don't like Ulma 🤣
@@arbsan8366 besides it's stupid to side with her after you ascend Astarion, why the option is even there? Whatever i guess 😂
@@daliblue_ spawn or ascended, that woman has to go 😂
@@seliamila1005 exactly!!🤣
He has political ambition. The same as he had when he was a magistrate. He's not evil, he just wants to be the man he always wanted to be. It's ridiculous how some people don't see this.
I won't say he's not evil. Still, he can be quite cruel, selfish and immoral. But I will say that power in his view is freedom. So I don't understand when people say he's not really free. He is really free and free to do whatever he wants.
@@lavishlyvice yeah, I didn't make myself clear in the initial comment. What I meant is that ascention doesn't turn him into a monster. He just wants to be the city elite, not bring all kinds of horrors on people. I mean, he remains true to himself pre-ascension, a corrupt ambitious magistrate. And DnD-wise spawn is neutral evil.
Why you do this to us?!, poor baby. I know he's not a good person( never was to begin with) but i still think that with Tav ruling by his side he can be a little more compassionate with the world if Tav guides him to that direction, his hunger for power can be just political too and the kind of corrupted politics, wich lets be honest it exist in the real world on every country. And we dont see bloodbaths on the streets ( with some exceptions, pray for those poor countries in war).
So i imagine if he does end up rulings the city might be similar to a corrupt politician or communists?
Thing is, you would never have ruled "by his side". His vampiric nature, by design, makes him want to possess you, therefore making Tav no more than a tool (ironic given Astarion was Cazador's tool)
@ghostprojekt my Tav never wanted to rule anything, just want to be by his side so is ok, she will be the one that appeals to be more compassionate when he gets extra.
@@chibi7ravenDoes you Tav want to be his pet? Because that's basically what you are to a vampire lord.
There is no way your tav will "guide" him.
@petitesayo4542 sigh, what you want me to say? Yes? Does it make you feel better? If you have commitments issues, or ascendand triggers some sort of trauma on you, is ok, but for me it gives me feelings of security and protection, do you think he will treat you as a pet?, suit yourself, fulfill your angst desires, just do not come here and try to impose your view on me, im sorry for any trauma you might have but this is not how I see the Ascendand route, he does not show any abuse towards TAV, soo go away and expose your ideas with other like minded people.
Сделаешь пожалуйста реакцию компаньонов с романом и без на вознесëнного Астариона ориджина?
Реакцию на что именно? Что он провел ритуал?
@@nyloth я про всё взаимодействие в целом начиная с ритуала. Пока я видел видео только с реакцией на ритуал.
@@spcellAI да просто у них нет никаких особых взаимодействий за origin. Астарион в Origin даже не может сделать своего ЛИ спавном. =0
@@nylothя кстати на сабреддите по БГ3 написал свои идеи по улучшению романа с вознесëнным Астарионом, но тамошние задроты на меня набросились чтобы показать какие они знатоки ДнД лора и почему мои идеи противоречат ему. Один мудак написал что я таким подходом могу идти писать фанфики, а другой начал на меня гнать дескать что игра прямым текстом говорит что вознесëнный Астарион ничего хорошего не принесëт и мои ответы им ещё и заминусили включая ответ где я прямо сказал что я не эксперт по ДнД и просто делюсь мыслями. Вот такое вот дружелюбное комьюнити у игры. По крайней мере на сабреддите.
@@spcellAI оно везде такое к сожалению. Упоминаете Вознесенного Астариона получаете взрыв пятой точки от фанатиков Спавна, у меня уже даже ответные видео-мемы есть. Я на форуме открыла тему в фидбеке, где попросила улучшить его диалог после ритуала. Добавить буквально 1 вариант ответа. Так на меня накинулись что божееее неееет все так и задумано авторами цикл абьюза блаблабла. Короче да... Но если вы предложите что-то для Спавна Астариона то получите 100500 плюсов на реддите да и вообще везде.
I don't mind evil Astarion. If I were tortured and tormented for 200 years, I don't know that I would come out the other side with my humanity intact either. I would probably be filled with a lot of rage, resentment, cynicism, and I would covet power above all else. Because having power is the only thing that would protect me, not friendship and not love. Putting myself in his shoes, that is how I would feel. So I pass no judgement on the path he chooses to take. I would kill him if he turns against me though, lol.