@@lllowkee6533 I've seen them advertise getting tested for diabetes on the episodes from the 50s before. So, it was apparently widely discussed back then. So tragic, what befell Miss Marsten.
The lovely Miss Marston, when not a professional archer, also managed local Michigan rock bands in the mid-late '60s such as Blue Feeling, The Satellites, and the MC5.
A bizarre coincidence. I used to frequent a pub here in England owned by Marston's Brewery - which was called, unexpectedly, the Wyandotte Inn. A member of the family that built the pub in the late 19th century was in America at the time, and wrote home to report that there was a local Indian tribe (his words not mine) called the Wyandotte. The name was appropriated for the pub, which for many years had a sign outside depicting a highly inauthentic native American complete with headdress.
maynardsmoreland- Looks like most of the women during those times wear their hair short, even those considered beautiful. It is rare to see a guest with long hair and it is usually a guest who is considered beautiful. A much larger percentage of women these days wear their hair long.
According to a book written about her, she got interested in the business after spending time with some musician friends, The Beatles, in the early 60s. She managed the MC5 locally until she booked them to open for the Dave Clark Five. She realized then that they had "made it big" and she couldn't do anything else for them. Joe DiMaggio was a friend and attended her funeral; Johnny Carson sent flowers. www.momentumbooks.com/product/shooting-star/
Daly's reading glasses appeared a few times before this. I remember -- On that memorable night in 1952 when Arthur Godfrey was the mystery guest, Godfrey and Daly both put on their eye glasses for yocks. One night during the Fred Allen era when Allen wore glasses to hide the bags under his eyes, Dorothy, Arlene, and John all put on their reading glasses to say good night.
DebbieFaubion Do you mean because she felt bad about ending the game so quickly and asked John to flip the cards? Yes, she certainly could be quite sweet at times -- she almost always had kind words for Bennett and the other panelists when she introduced them or said good night to them too. Of course, I doubt that the head designer of the Christian Dior fashion line really needed that 50 dollars so badly..... ;)
SaveThe TPC Yes, in my opinion. It was just a nice segment where she didn't drag things out with a bunch of "yes" questions and had a genuine spirit. I don't know...do others see it this way as well?
DebbieFaubion Yes, after I posted my reply, I also thought about how she seemed to get genuinely excited about the thought of having this famous and talented designer there -- and even kind of wistful with wishing for some of his designs. I also remembered other times when she asked John to flip all the cards for contestants who were less well off as well. When she first guessed him so quickly, I thought she must have recognized him and that she should have disqualified herself, but her explanation of how she figured it out so quickly seemed sincere.
I like how Dorothy at the end of the program will say "come again" to most guest panelists who are making their first or second appearance on the panel. Her facial expression and tone of voice sounds genuine to me.
G-T got its money's worth from Joey Bishop. He appeared in three different WML episodes in a short period of time. 1 Mystery guest in the 8:00 pm ET videotape session. 2 Unscheduled cameo with Buddy Hackett at 10:30 p.m. ET live broadcast. That night must have been hysterical back stage. 3 Guest panelist the next week on live TV.
soulierinvestments Joey Bishop made two more appearances on this show. Both were in 1966. He made a mystery guest appearance, which was taped on July 17 and aired on September 4, followed by an appearance on the panel on the live taping of the July 24 episode. Helen Gurley Brown was also there as a panelist on that live taping. The July 24, 1966 episode was the very last time the show recorded on black & white videotape.
A couple of things about Joey Bishop. I think like a lot of comics of the time, he seemed to be channeling Jack E. Leonard for a few moments. Also, and many of you may know this, "The Joey Bishop Show" was, I believe, the only program to start it's run in black and white (1961 on NBC) move to color casting (1962-64 on NBC) and then return to Black and White (1964 on CBS).
Did any of that program ever showed up on DVD?? For a while, all its tapes and films were missing. Then I heard some of it had turned up somewhere. I read its appearing on two networks both in b&w and color made it problematic to market.
there is one full color Joey Bishop with The Andrew Sisters on UA-cam and a very funny bit (also in color) from the show with Joe Besser, who I think was one of the funniest men ever.
Much as I admire Kilgallen and am in awe of her legacy, I'm stunned by her dress sense in this phase. Arlene looks like a woman of the early 1960s going out for the evening. Kilgallen looks like a little girl of the 1940s going to church on Sunday morning! I'm surprised there wasn't an effort to co-ordinate their appearances a bit more...towards Arlene's look, that is!!
They had different stylists and hairdressers. Arlene's appearance is important to her acting career. Whereas,Dorothy's career Is dependent on her brains. They have different priorities.
RE [ 22:37 ] Daly's reading glasses: Daly's reading glasses appeared a few times before this. I remember -- On that memorable night in 1952 when Arthur Godfrey appeared as the mystery guest, Godfrey and Daly both put on their eye glasses for yocks. One night during the Fred Allen era when Allen wore glasses to hide the bags under his eyes, Dorothy, Arlene, and John all put on their reading glasses to say good night.
Daly mentions this being the summertime. But actually it was taped during the springtime. May 5, 1963, to be exact. In fact, it would also explain the Joey Bishop cameo in that night's live taping, which was taped AFTER this episode. One more pre-taped episode of the 1962-1963 season left.
***** In fact, this time they're also joking with it. About Daly's "keeping cool" to Robert Q,, and his "It's difficult in this August weather", then laughter from the audience. They keep on coming back to the theme later too. I suppose there was a chill day in May, when this was taped. ;)
Reluctant Dragon I've noticed this "phenomena" twice before, and thanks to ***** and his updates, it was easy to figure out the connection. (This time the jokes were more obvious than earlier. :D )
SuperWinterborn And it makes sense for this episode to have been taped before the live taping for May 5. The live episodes typically aired Sunday nights at 10:30 p.m. EST. Even the ticket stubs for the live episodes typically said "10:30-11 p.m."
Actually May 5 was a little bit warm in 1963; according to the May 6 New York Times, the previous day peaked at 85°F in the afternoon, and at 10 pm it was still 60°F.
I wonder if it was common for college men to find greener grass at other colleges (especially women only colleges) and denigrate the female students at their own college. It was certainly true when I attended Cornell back in the day.
On the first contestant, "Mr. X", Bennett does something completely out of character. John chooses Bennett to start the questioning, and Bennett does NOT make a comment about ham and X!
Actually it is also unusual for John to choose Bennett to question a male challenger. Usually Bennett is the first to question a female challenger, while Arlene or Dorothy lead off when it is a male challenger (at least when it is a non-celebrity challenger). When the blindfolds are on, anything goes because the panel doesn't know whether the challengers are male, female or a group.
@@loissimmons6558 I never noticed that but I will look for it. I always thought John began the first round with one of the regular panelists, rotating in some fashion from the previous show and starting off other rounds with someone else, with a guest panelist 3rd or 4th. But you are observant, so you are probably right and I will check for myself.
RE: Dorothy solving the first contestant. Dorothy was something of an amateur fashion expert. When USSR premier Kruschev and his wife visited the USA in 1959, Dorothy got into hot water by criticizing Mrs K for how badly she dressed on tour. Women in employment office looking for jobs as maids were better dressed Dorothy wrote in effect. Ouch.
+soulierinvestments Even in the mid-1980's the dowdiness of Russian fashions for women was being lampooned. This still remembered Wendy's television commercial in 1985 is attestation to that opinion. ua-cam.com/video/5CaMUfxVJVQ/v-deo.html
@@kenretherford1197 Martin was accomplished enough to decide whom he wanted and bold enough to go after her. Arlene had so many good qualities to be desirable to many possible suitors and secure enough to select the one she most wanted.
"I could've driven a cab tonight and made more money." Considering the hot Manhattan weather and other things, that's a nice gag. I don't like Joey Bishop but that was a good'un.
Is it just me, and I don't want to be mean, but is Robert Q. Lewis almost devoid of personality? I know his act is that of an MC (Master Of Ceremonies) but on this show, others I've seen on UA-cam, and my memories I have of him as a youth, he just kind of hangs there, with not much to say. I may be wrong about this and invite other opinions. But I don't think he was any Bud Collier, who was at least interesting to look at.
I trust this means you never stumbled on any of my prior comments about Robert Q. Lewis or you'd know it's not just you! He may have been a perfectly wonderful person in real life-- I don't intend any aspersions on his private personality-- but on WML, I find him nearly insufferable, his only distinguishing characteristic being how phony and smarmy his endless fawning compliments to the contestants were. I dislike him so much, and I'm such a small, petty person, he is the only guest panelist whose name I go out of my way not to note in the video titles. So no, it's definitely not just you. But it *may* be just you and me, and one or two others who have chimed in on this over the last year. :)
I just started watching your channel a few months ago, but I am glad I'm not freezing out here all by myself. Wow, though, I thought I disliked him. A tip of the hat to you, sir! We should start a "I Hate Robert Q. Lewis Club".
Elsie M. I'm not familiar with that series, except for one episode that features Chico Marx, and that one is hosted by Clifton Faddiman! Anyhow, I can't really justify my dislike of Robert Q. Lewis except for the fawning I already cited. I'll admit, he played the game well. He just grates on me for some reason.
Am a big fan of this show but it's so interesting to see when pretentiousness, commericalism, elitism, classism, materialism, snobbiness, and superficiality were born. These people were either compromised and/or corrupt. Do the research.
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Poor Miss Marsten went almost totally blind 6 yrs after this, from Diabetes and dies at 32 yrs old - from a stroke how sad.
RachelDavisMatthews - I am so sorry to hear this about this contestant. She seemed so healthy and vivacious.
Insulin was first used in 1922 and patented in 1923. I wonder if she didn’t have access to it?
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@@lllowkee6533 I've seen them advertise getting tested for diabetes on the episodes from the 50s before. So, it was apparently widely discussed back then. So tragic, what befell Miss Marsten.
Thank you for sharing.
@@lllowkee6533 More than likely she developed insulin resistance, in which the body can no longer use the insulin being taken.
"If I miss he can keep the arrow ... "
Hahahaha!!
Classic archery joke “if I miss he can keep the arrow” haha love it
Dohhh I was all ready there for the 'ham and X' pun from Cerf!!
"We've only got a skirt on her." Oh Arlene
The lovely Miss Marston, when not a professional archer, also managed local Michigan rock bands in the mid-late '60s such as Blue Feeling, The Satellites, and the MC5.
No kidding! She must have been a fascinating person. Terrible to hear she left us so young. :(
A bizarre coincidence. I used to frequent a pub here in England owned by Marston's Brewery - which was called, unexpectedly, the Wyandotte Inn. A member of the family that built the pub in the late 19th century was in America at the time, and wrote home to report that there was a local Indian tribe (his words not mine) called the Wyandotte. The name was appropriated for the pub, which for many years had a sign outside depicting a highly inauthentic native American complete with headdress.
maynardsmoreland- Looks like most of the women during those times wear their hair short, even those considered beautiful. It is rare to see a guest with long hair and it is usually a guest who is considered beautiful. A much larger percentage of women these days wear their hair long.
MC5!!! Wow.
According to a book written about her, she got interested in the business after spending time with some musician friends, The Beatles, in the early 60s. She managed the MC5 locally until she booked them to open for the Dave Clark Five. She realized then that they had "made it big" and she couldn't do anything else for them. Joe DiMaggio was a friend and attended her funeral; Johnny Carson sent flowers.
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A rare glimpse at Daly wearing reading glasses in this episode.
Daly's reading glasses appeared a few times before this. I remember -- On that memorable night in 1952 when Arthur Godfrey was the mystery guest, Godfrey and Daly both put on their eye glasses for yocks. One night during the Fred Allen era when Allen wore glasses to hide the bags under his eyes, Dorothy, Arlene, and John all put on their reading glasses to say good night.
Please understand the spirit in which I say this: it was so nice to see Dorothy's sweeter side at the beginning of this episode. =)
DebbieFaubion
Do you mean because she felt bad about ending the game so quickly and asked John to flip the cards? Yes, she certainly could be quite sweet at times -- she almost always had kind words for Bennett and the other panelists when she introduced them or said good night to them too. Of course, I doubt that the head designer of the Christian Dior fashion line really needed that 50 dollars so badly..... ;)
SaveThe TPC Yes, in my opinion. It was just a nice segment where she didn't drag things out with a bunch of "yes" questions and had a genuine spirit. I don't know...do others see it this way as well?
DebbieFaubion
Yes, after I posted my reply, I also thought about how she seemed to get genuinely excited about the thought of having this famous and talented designer there -- and even kind of wistful with wishing for some of his designs. I also remembered other times when she asked John to flip all the cards for contestants who were less well off as well. When she first guessed him so quickly, I thought she must have recognized him and that she should have disqualified herself, but her explanation of how she figured it out so quickly seemed sincere.
+DebbieFaubion I think she was angling for a free scarf.
I like how Dorothy at the end of the program will say "come again" to most guest panelists who are making their first or second appearance on the panel. Her facial expression and tone of voice sounds genuine to me.
I think Joey, as much as he was trying to disguise his voice, could not hide the timber and the feel of it.
G-T got its money's worth from Joey Bishop. He appeared in three different WML episodes in a short period of time. 1 Mystery guest in the 8:00 pm ET videotape session. 2 Unscheduled cameo with Buddy Hackett at 10:30 p.m. ET live broadcast. That night must have been hysterical back stage. 3 Guest panelist the next week on live TV.
soulierinvestments Joey Bishop made two more appearances on this show. Both were in 1966.
He made a mystery guest appearance, which was taped on July 17 and aired on September 4, followed by an appearance on the panel on the live taping of the July 24 episode. Helen Gurley Brown was also there as a panelist on that live taping. The July 24, 1966 episode was the very last time the show recorded on black & white videotape.
The best book title ever was Joey's "A Mouse in the Rat Pack"
Wow Marc Bohan is alive 56 yrs later and is 93. Poor Dorothy lefts us in a little over 2 yrs from this episode.
Marc is alive in March 2022! Yes, binging on WML!🤷♀️🤣
And poor Ann died 8 years after this episode from a diabetes-induced stroke.
It wasn’t Dorothys choice
A couple of things about Joey Bishop. I think like a lot of comics of the time, he seemed to be channeling Jack E. Leonard for a few moments. Also, and many of you may know this, "The Joey Bishop Show" was, I believe, the only program to start it's run in black and white (1961 on NBC) move to color casting (1962-64 on NBC) and then return to Black and White (1964 on CBS).
Did any of that program ever showed up on DVD?? For a while, all its tapes and films were missing. Then I heard some of it had turned up somewhere. I read its appearing on two networks both in b&w and color made it problematic to market.
there is one full color Joey Bishop with The Andrew Sisters on UA-cam and a very funny bit (also in color) from the show with Joe Besser, who I think was one of the funniest men ever.
Much as I admire Kilgallen and am in awe of her legacy, I'm stunned by her dress sense in this phase. Arlene looks like a woman of the early 1960s going out for the evening. Kilgallen looks like a little girl of the 1940s going to church on Sunday morning! I'm surprised there wasn't an effort to co-ordinate their appearances a bit more...towards Arlene's look, that is!!
Arlene looks like a beautiful woman because she is. Dorothy couldn’t compete with any wardrobe.
you're easily stunned, davey...!
They had different stylists and hairdressers. Arlene's appearance is important to her acting career. Whereas,Dorothy's career
Is dependent on her brains.
They have different priorities.
Bows on a grown woman look child like to me
@@washoe4827 🤣Truth
RE [ 22:37 ] Daly's reading glasses: Daly's reading glasses appeared a few times before this. I remember -- On that memorable night in 1952 when Arthur Godfrey appeared as the mystery guest, Godfrey and Daly both put on their eye glasses for yocks. One night during the Fred Allen era when Allen wore glasses to hide the bags under his eyes, Dorothy, Arlene, and John all put on their reading glasses to say good night.
John in his reading glasses at about 22:40! I don't think I've ever seen him in them before!
Daly mentions this being the summertime. But actually it was taped during the springtime. May 5, 1963, to be exact. In fact, it would also explain the Joey Bishop cameo in that night's live taping, which was taped AFTER this episode.
One more pre-taped episode of the 1962-1963 season left.
***** In fact, this time they're also joking with it. About Daly's "keeping cool" to Robert Q,, and his "It's difficult in this August weather", then laughter from the audience. They keep on coming back to the theme later too. I suppose there was a chill day in May, when this was taped. ;)
SuperWinterborn I wondered why they laughed at that... makes sense. :)
Reluctant Dragon I've noticed this "phenomena" twice before, and thanks to ***** and his updates, it was easy to figure out the connection. (This time the jokes were more obvious than earlier. :D )
SuperWinterborn And it makes sense for this episode to have been taped before the live taping for May 5. The live episodes typically aired Sunday nights at 10:30 p.m. EST. Even the ticket stubs for the live episodes typically said "10:30-11 p.m."
Actually May 5 was a little bit warm in 1963; according to the May 6 New York Times, the previous day peaked at 85°F in the afternoon, and at 10 pm it was still 60°F.
At the time this episode aired, Robert
Q. Lewis was hosting "Play Your Hunch" for Goodson and Todman.
such a shame that miss MArston passed away so young from diabetes
Very unhealthy. She was blessed to be able to go
Joey was hilarious!
First time I’ve ever seen Joey Bishop smiling. 18:24 16:38
7:40 Robert Q.: "We used to say back at Ann Arbor, four out of five are beautiful, and the fifth goes to Michigan." Surprisingly impolitic of him!
I wonder if it was common for college men to find greener grass at other colleges (especially women only colleges) and denigrate the female students at their own college. It was certainly true when I attended Cornell back in the day.
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Testing sun lotion in the sun? They wouldn't do that now.
Was Mr Lewis making a dig at the show being prerecorded with his ‘August remark?’
On the first contestant, "Mr. X", Bennett does something completely out of character. John chooses Bennett to start the questioning, and Bennett does NOT make a comment about ham and X!
Actually it is also unusual for John to choose Bennett to question a male challenger. Usually Bennett is the first to question a female challenger, while Arlene or Dorothy lead off when it is a male challenger (at least when it is a non-celebrity challenger). When the blindfolds are on, anything goes because the panel doesn't know whether the challengers are male, female or a group.
@@loissimmons6558 I never noticed that but I will look for it. I always thought John began the first round with one of the regular panelists, rotating in some fashion from the previous show and starting off other rounds with someone else, with a guest panelist 3rd or 4th. But you are observant, so you are probably right and I will check for myself.
RE: Dorothy solving the first contestant. Dorothy was something of an amateur fashion expert. When USSR premier Kruschev and his wife visited the USA in 1959, Dorothy got into hot water by criticizing Mrs K for how badly she dressed on tour. Women in employment office looking for jobs as maids were better dressed Dorothy wrote in effect. Ouch.
she was a pr0per bitch alright.
+soulierinvestments
Even in the mid-1980's the dowdiness of Russian fashions for women was being lampooned. This still remembered Wendy's television commercial in 1985 is attestation to that opinion.
ua-cam.com/video/5CaMUfxVJVQ/v-deo.html
soulierinvestments - I think the Russians were not known for being fashionable or chic.
No shortage of suspects in Dorothy’s demise. To suicide and those who arranged the LBJ coup, add Nikita’s KGB.
Look how Dorothy is dressed 🤣
*_MARC BOHAN, HEAD FASHION DESIGNER FOR CHRISTIAN DIOR_*
*_PROFESSIONAL ARCHER_*
*_TESTS SUNTAN LOTION_*
He should’ve just said France, not Paris.
Arlene seemed very quite this episode...Or maybe it was the old Dorothy coming back to monopolize time...
How in the world did Arlene come to marry Martin Gabel?
@@kenretherford1197 Martin was accomplished enough to decide whom he wanted and bold enough to go after her. Arlene had so many good qualities to be desirable to many possible suitors and secure enough to select the one she most wanted.
@@stevekru6518 And such a woman as Arlene is very lucky to have kissed an extremely talented frog who did NOT turn into a handsome prince.
Do they really ever not flip al the cards.
"I could've driven a cab tonight and made more money." Considering the hot Manhattan weather and other things, that's a nice gag.
I don't like Joey Bishop but that was a good'un.
Mark Bohan died in September 2023
Miss Marst0n makes me want t play Red Dead Redempti0n.
Whistles for the last guest????
Is it just me, and I don't want to be mean, but is Robert Q. Lewis almost devoid of personality? I know his act is that of an MC (Master Of Ceremonies) but on this show, others I've seen on UA-cam, and my memories I have of him as a youth, he just kind of hangs there, with not much to say. I may be wrong about this and invite other opinions. But I don't think he was any Bud Collier, who was at least interesting to look at.
I trust this means you never stumbled on any of my prior comments about Robert Q. Lewis or you'd know it's not just you! He may have been a perfectly wonderful person in real life-- I don't intend any aspersions on his private personality-- but on WML, I find him nearly insufferable, his only distinguishing characteristic being how phony and smarmy his endless fawning compliments to the contestants were. I dislike him so much, and I'm such a small, petty person, he is the only guest panelist whose name I go out of my way not to note in the video titles.
So no, it's definitely not just you. But it *may* be just you and me, and one or two others who have chimed in on this over the last year. :)
I just started watching your channel a few months ago, but I am glad I'm not freezing out here all by myself. Wow, though, I thought I disliked him. A tip of the hat to you, sir! We should start a "I Hate Robert Q. Lewis Club".
Agreed with you two, although I don't find him quite as terrible. He definitely seemed to have more charm on The Name's the Same.
Elsie M. I'm not familiar with that series, except for one episode that features Chico Marx, and that one is hosted by Clifton Faddiman! Anyhow, I can't really justify my dislike of Robert Q. Lewis except for the fawning I already cited. I'll admit, he played the game well. He just grates on me for some reason.
What's My Line?
Another member in your club here.
Not happy that dorothy picked off the first guest, so no one got to play.
she was second -- Bennett began the round
Rapunzel z - Not fair. The idea is to guess the occupation so why should Dorothy be criticized for doing what she was supposed to do?
Bennett has done it.
Am a big fan of this show but it's so interesting to see when pretentiousness, commericalism, elitism, classism, materialism, snobbiness, and superficiality were born.
These people were either compromised and/or corrupt. Do the research.
Most people are compromised or corrupt. These people are just more successful than most.
And you're a perfect being. FOAD.
@@TheCosmicVagabond LOL. Pithy reply.
FOAD? No doubt you're an angry snowflake liberal, right?
LOL.
Good god, please don't multiply.
#Hashtagblocked
Agree
Not every elitist was part of the conspiracy of consumerism. Why vilify them? Do you have more than speculation?
Dorothy 's angling for free clothes...typical wannabe