Adding subs for PVE purposes was how wargaming added Subs to the PC version of the game first. In one of the Halloween events on PC you used submarines to fight the forces of Rasputin or whatever. And then something like 2 to 3 years later, Subs showed up in random battles. Subs are coming, they're probably closer than we think.
Yeah I don't want the subs either. I wouldn't mind if there was server settings you could switch off for whether you want them in a game with you. I feel like they're like CVs where no one is happy to see them in a game except the person playing one. No value added.
@greggblack8205 because I'd like to decide whether I want specific game altering ship types that makes it stale meta? I go outside, man. I don't need to come home and try to casually play while some sweat bombs me at spawn and or sneaks around in a sub underwater to troll people who want to shoot big guns and play warships - not warsubs.
The team command menu needs to be more specific.Players need to know what a teammate is actually trying to do. Lets get some Pre-Dreadnoght premiums at T-2. Also......Let the player decide if they want to have a solo AI battle. I would love to be able to challenge myself and earn more XP etc in the process. basically..... I want there to be an endless wave game mode. Also....make the open ocean a playable map......just for the memes.
They intro or slow roll subs into the game and you can count me out. It's bad enough having CV's as it is. The ONLY way they'd keep me as a custie is if they added a check box where we can "OPT OUT" of sub/cv games a la Crossplay. Rock/Paper/Scissors is how this thing was intended.
Shame no buffs for Myogi S.Carolina and Rasputin Those battleships are just rough. And Rasputin was a real shame for me because i grinded so damn hard for it
@@michaelcarson6655 Should have been permanent in my opinion as it encourages someone to spend money to buy one ship that they couldn't afford outright.
If Aircraft carriers and Hybrid BB’s are in the game - Why shouldn’t subs be? I think Subs would make it interesting as long as there’s a limit as to how many are allowed each match.
Subs could ruin the game. It’s already torpedo happy with some of those destroyers and plane happy. Still think they should come up with some additional player vs player operations to change the game pace up a bit.
I feel most of the time the teams are lined up with one or two 53-57+% players on both teams, everything beyond that should be contributed to teamplay and positioning
@@GarlicloverTheFirst I've had my entire team abandon me on one flank which I've held solo only to be eventually surrounded and sunk after the flank that had every other player on my team collapsed.
I like to see the communication wheel be applied to ship type so it is related to said skills or equipment. Like I'm going to Radar. Or I need wheel to rebuild... you know or things on this area.
I'm personally interested in Gdansk. From what I've read about it on WoWs PC, it's similar to Mogador and Kleber, but with faster firing guns and Kleber's HE damage/fire chance. It's Pan-Euro (Poland specifically), but with the ability to have smoke and radar simultaneously. Could be a nasty gunboat to play with.
I've almost got the Halland fully researched and been grinding the Östergotland to get the Smalland so more Pan euros would be awesome cuz I'm newer and have commited to that playstyle and Pan Euro commanders lol
Subs COULD work in legends IF they get rid of homing torps (maybe a limited consumable with next to no damage but high chances of incapacitation) and let regular Sonar pick them up. Not excited at the prospect but if they do it they’ll have to have matchmaking choose between a CV game or Sub game. Never both.
I really want like a creative type of mode. Almost like training rooms but where you can just mess around and create ships. Like put Shima torps on Yama and etc. ofc it wouldn’t go into standard but it would just be against AI or something
So this brings up a few things that go under the radar by their wording 1. Gdańsk is the t10 of the pan euro gun boat line so this is all but confirmation of this being our next new tech line (focuses on smoke radar combo and only fires HE) and this coming by the end of the year might mean they are finally dropping the L tier project with the tech tree 2. The t10 comment might mean something’s are going to be reworked as far as bureau projects go. They might be adding L tier to the tech tree while keeping them as a project as well. Giving you two options on how to obtain your L tier ships. For example Yamato you can either wait a couple months for the project to finish or you can absolutely grind like hell for like 450k xp and 30-35mil silver to get it from the tech tree. They could also make gxp not able to be used on L tier and superships if those come. This allows players who have time to grind feel rewarded by getting that L tier ship and those that maybe can only play a few games a week to get it eventually as well. This would also open up the bureau to house more one off L tiers that don’t have a tech tree like vampire 2 or Rhode Island.
Ok so I’ve been playing world of tanks console since the beta and world of warships since day one that said the one thing I think wowsl would benefit from is spotting damage!!! If I spot a ship and someone blows it out of the water I should get more XP than just spotting it that’s how it is in wowmw
I don't buy it about Subs, Remember when they said that we wouldn't add Carriers and wanted the game to be "different" from WOWS PC, How did that work out?
Yeah poor old Florida, I have her and try to find a playstyle for her. Being a Washington naval treaty design she comes pre-nerfed compared to other BBs so i've been trying to build her like a super cruiser. Speed and accuracy. Avoid gunslinger duels with other BBs hunt cruisers, and DDs with HE. Great video TB thanks for the heads up.
I'm glad they finally admit that the last gen consoles are holding the game back. I've brought it up a few times during the streams and they always denied it.
The ONLY way SUBS could work in LEGENDS is they’d be nerfed to the point of not allowing dives beyond periscope depth. Full dives would inspire BOILED POTATOES hiding underwater the whole time! SUBS would be great In RASPUTIN’s FLEET as an introduction.
Or full dives but no homing torps. Them diving is somewhat like their version of a smoke screen. They also HAVE to get detected by sonar unlike on PC where you need a special sonar just for subs
Anyone who ever thought subs wouldn't come to the game was just drinking the Kool Aid lol. Been saying that since day 1 and I will die on that hill. They will be here in PvP eventually, that isn't even a question. Wargaming makes their money selling ships and when they run out of ships they will invent more. They especially love inventing ships that destroy the balance of the game so the whales rush out and buy the OP stuff before they do a rework and put the focus on some other group of ships so the whales go and buy THOSE lol. It's just the way it is
5 Jan 1943: USS (CC) Helena fires 2 salvos of 5” w/Proximity Fuzing and shoots down IJN dive bomber in first US Combat test of proximity fused AA. May 1945: USS (DD) Evans & Hadley are attacked by over 150 Kamikazes off the coast of Okinawa. All were shot down with only pieces of 6 A/C actually hitting the ships. What’s the point? Wanna balance the game? Screw the CV’s, Wargaming needs to add Proximity Fuzing to the AA suites. Then we’ll see what’s what. Bring it on you Fly Bags! Same applies to Subs, add Depth Charges and improve Sonar suites and game on sardines, you’re what’s for lunch!
If subs com into the game in any format, they will be in the game 100% within 3 months. Glad to see they are going to add a Bureau project, but they need to dump a bunch of ships in there. Outside of this 5th birthday thing my Bureau has been empty for months.
I've been asking since day 1 to allow us to preview ships in breau like we can with any other ship. We should be able to see the armor, skins, upgrades like everything else.
To be honest I think submarines shouldn't be added to normal game modes like standard but they should be a separate a game mode that could either be submarine on submarine pvp or submarine pvp with other classes of ships but it's still a different game mode, but if they did add submarines I would really want to see them add the french submarine Surcouf
They will add subs sooner or later. Gotta keep the content flowing. In its current form, you could not add them to standard battle without increasing team size I think. I would not mind them, I think they’re not valid than Carriers frankly
Easy... they need good objective based game modes and get rid of epicenter for God sakes! My suggestion is basically island capture from BS Pacific! Greatest game mode ever made!
@@greggblack8205 didn't know that. Thanks for letting me know. I haven't got a PC yet, so I'm still on legends only. What would you change to make them more balanced in Legends?
@georgesmith7449 I haven't played them on PC but from what I can see there is a pretty strong curve in learning how to use them correctly and I see the anti sub weapons to be very strong. I just think people are lazy in wows and never want to adapt to anything and just enjoy sitting behind mountains and spam... this cruiser talk specifically. Dd play is now horrendous, but I myself would love to play subs and also to sink them. It would just mix up the game meta which is so stale lately.
@@greggblack8205 I can agree with that. I've been having a lot of fun playing as and against the new boats with air strikes. Helps those AA loadouts help when a carrier isn't in play. I'm curious to see what they have planned for subs.
Seen the subs in the PC version. As someone who knows how ww1 and ww2 subs work, you might as well just say the WOW versions are all made of magic. The subs of that era are nothing like that and, in fairness, I cannot see how a 'realistic' treatment could fit properly into WOW. I know WG will inflict these .... *things* they call submarines on us sooner or later, but II will not pretend to like it. One prediction of mine. Early 'Cold War' era ships are cropping up more and more in the game. On that basis, I would not be the least bit surprised if WG eventually puts out, probably at Legendary Tier, early NUCLEAR-POWERED submarines - ie. the Nautilus and the Russian November. Let's be honest, there are Whales in the game who would gladly sell personal body parts for that.
aaron thinks like you that there will be some new gxp ships soon. he pointed out that for the Schill you can use gxp. and if WG lets us use the gxp, its a good move to add gxp items soon after to earn some more money from players that convert elite exp.
It's sad that Colombo will be nerfed. When they nerf its usually heavy nerfs. I guess it's time to stop playing it. Colombo was the fun one. The accuracy isn't even that good but I understand it has good pen angles and 16 guns
These questions they covered where kinda bland. As a 5 year veteran and somewhat of a competent and competitive player. I asked if there will be a game mode where the RNG will be reduced but they probably don't wanna answer that one. I also asked if Arms Race was going to be a separate game mode. Which need to added to the game imo.
Coming from Wow blitz ..there’s far too many islands.. many in stupid positions .. I’ve played all types of ships now and the extra islands add nothing to the gameplay.. They need to remove at least half of them ..
The Florida doesn’t need a Buff You just need to use the new American commander and you can truly stomp ass with that because you can get the reload down to a normal level.
As a 5yr player all I really want is to have different builds with the same captain on different ships 😢
Same be grear
Totally agree 💯
This all of this
Facts
Devs: "So what you're saying is you want more weeb commanders?
I got you fam"
Adding subs for PVE purposes was how wargaming added Subs to the PC version of the game first. In one of the Halloween events on PC you used submarines to fight the forces of Rasputin or whatever. And then something like 2 to 3 years later, Subs showed up in random battles. Subs are coming, they're probably closer than we think.
Yeah I don't want the subs either. I wouldn't mind if there was server settings you could switch off for whether you want them in a game with you. I feel like they're like CVs where no one is happy to see them in a game except the person playing one. No value added.
So what you're saying is keep a suspicious eye on the Halloween event to see if they get snuck in
@@CabinFevr So you like stale meta? Got it.
@greggblack8205 because I'd like to decide whether I want specific game altering ship types that makes it stale meta? I go outside, man. I don't need to come home and try to casually play while some sweat bombs me at spawn and or sneaks around in a sub underwater to troll people who want to shoot big guns and play warships - not warsubs.
If they give us subs, I’d want hedgehog launchers on my DDs 😂
The team command menu needs to be more specific.Players need to know what a teammate is actually trying to do.
Lets get some Pre-Dreadnoght premiums at T-2.
Also......Let the player decide if they want to have a solo AI battle. I would love to be able to challenge myself and earn more XP etc in the process.
basically..... I want there to be an endless wave game mode.
Also....make the open ocean a playable map......just for the memes.
They intro or slow roll subs into the game and you can count me out. It's bad enough having CV's as it is. The ONLY way they'd keep me as a custie is if they added a check box where we can "OPT OUT" of sub/cv games a la Crossplay. Rock/Paper/Scissors is how this thing was intended.
Shame no buffs for Myogi S.Carolina and Rasputin
Those battleships are just rough. And Rasputin was a real shame for me because i grinded so damn hard for it
Despite being a battleship mean I think adding subs to the game is a good thing it adds some much-needed variety to the game
As the one person that used the coupon on Florida, I'm pleasantly surprised.
Did the coupon run out? I won mine but went to use it yesterday and it’s not there
They have a 14 day timer on them! It was displayed on the coupon.
@@michaelcarson6655 Should have been permanent in my opinion as it encourages someone to spend money to buy one ship that they couldn't afford outright.
@@mojo51 I actually used the LAST coupon on her since I needed to complete the collection! Now I'm happy she'll get a buff, hope it's a good one
Would be great if the devs could fix German BB AP shells, can’t penetrate anything.
If Aircraft carriers and Hybrid BB’s are in the game - Why shouldn’t subs be?
I think Subs would make it interesting as long as there’s a limit as to how many are allowed each match.
Two max and at least that would prevent the idiotic 5 subs per side!
Subs could ruin the game. It’s already torpedo happy with some of those destroyers and plane happy. Still think they should come up with some additional player vs player operations to change the game pace up a bit.
Would you like some ocean to go with your torpedo spam?
I think he best buff Brisbane could get is a cruiser commander that isn't built around buffing the smoke screen that ship does not have.
Here’s a question that needs to be answered- why are matches SO one sided?
Yeah I’ve had my entire team die within 5 minutes leaving me alone 5 times in the last few weeks
I feel most of the time the teams are lined up with one or two 53-57+% players on both teams, everything beyond that should be contributed to teamplay and positioning
Blue team has been snatching defeat from the jaws of victory lately it’s awful😭
@@GarlicloverTheFirst
I've had my entire team abandon me on one flank which I've held solo only to be eventually surrounded and sunk after the flank that had every other player on my team collapsed.
@@Kakarot64. that’s quite literally what happens to me two times in the New Orleans, I was uptiered both times with no chance whatsoever
I like to see the communication wheel be applied to ship type so it is related to said skills or equipment. Like I'm going to Radar. Or I need wheel to rebuild... you know or things on this area.
Brisbane is supposed to have a better radar than mino. So i think thats what is going to get buffed
Bring on the Subs... woohoo
I'm personally interested in Gdansk. From what I've read about it on WoWs PC, it's similar to Mogador and Kleber, but with faster firing guns and Kleber's HE damage/fire chance. It's Pan-Euro (Poland specifically), but with the ability to have smoke and radar simultaneously. Could be a nasty gunboat to play with.
I've almost got the Halland fully researched and been grinding the Östergotland to get the Smalland so more Pan euros would be awesome cuz I'm newer and have commited to that playstyle and Pan Euro commanders lol
I think someone in the board room is vetoing Carnot buffs behind the scenes - heh
for real.. nobody plays ship too lol
Subs COULD work in legends IF they get rid of homing torps (maybe a limited consumable with next to no damage but high chances of incapacitation) and let regular Sonar pick them up. Not excited at the prospect but if they do it they’ll have to have matchmaking choose between a CV game or Sub game. Never both.
Z-52 doesn’t need a nerf with Loushin out there
I really want like a creative type of mode. Almost like training rooms but where you can just mess around and create ships. Like put Shima torps on Yama and etc. ofc it wouldn’t go into standard but it would just be against AI or something
Like battleship craft?
@@Slattatronnn yeah exactly. Just a mode where you can make craft fun ships that would never exist.
So this brings up a few things that go under the radar by their wording
1. Gdańsk is the t10 of the pan euro gun boat line so this is all but confirmation of this being our next new tech line (focuses on smoke radar combo and only fires HE) and this coming by the end of the year might mean they are finally dropping the L tier project with the tech tree
2. The t10 comment might mean something’s are going to be reworked as far as bureau projects go. They might be adding L tier to the tech tree while keeping them as a project as well. Giving you two options on how to obtain your L tier ships. For example Yamato you can either wait a couple months for the project to finish or you can absolutely grind like hell for like 450k xp and 30-35mil silver to get it from the tech tree. They could also make gxp not able to be used on L tier and superships if those come. This allows players who have time to grind feel rewarded by getting that L tier ship and those that maybe can only play a few games a week to get it eventually as well. This would also open up the bureau to house more one off L tiers that don’t have a tech tree like vampire 2 or Rhode Island.
Prinz eugen still left in the cold
Ok so I’ve been playing world of tanks console since the beta and world of warships since day one that said the one thing I think wowsl would benefit from is spotting damage!!! If I spot a ship and someone blows it out of the water I should get more XP than just spotting it that’s how it is in wowmw
I don't buy it about Subs, Remember when they said that we wouldn't add Carriers and wanted the game to be "different" from WOWS PC, How did that work out?
and just got to the part about Tiers lol, I rest my case.
Subs will be the same way that legendary came. A big testing event before months later being added. Just like with Yamato
Yeah poor old Florida, I have her and try to find a playstyle for her. Being a Washington naval treaty design she comes pre-nerfed compared to other BBs so i've been trying to build her like a super cruiser. Speed and accuracy. Avoid gunslinger duels with other BBs hunt cruisers, and DDs with HE. Great video TB thanks for the heads up.
I’m glad to see they might still bring back GXP ships.
I'm glad they finally admit that the last gen consoles are holding the game back. I've brought it up a few times during the streams and they always denied it.
Yep... you won't see subs till they abandon those artifacts. It's time for many a developer to do so.
The ONLY way SUBS could work in LEGENDS is they’d be nerfed to the point of not allowing dives beyond periscope depth. Full dives would inspire BOILED POTATOES hiding underwater the whole time!
SUBS would be great In RASPUTIN’s FLEET as an introduction.
True
Or full dives but no homing torps. Them diving is somewhat like their version of a smoke screen. They also HAVE to get detected by sonar unlike on PC where you need a special sonar just for subs
Subs would not be great.
@@revelunioncam4500Subs would be great
Anyone who ever thought subs wouldn't come to the game was just drinking the Kool Aid lol. Been saying that since day 1 and I will die on that hill. They will be here in PvP eventually, that isn't even a question. Wargaming makes their money selling ships and when they run out of ships they will invent more. They especially love inventing ships that destroy the balance of the game so the whales rush out and buy the OP stuff before they do a rework and put the focus on some other group of ships so the whales go and buy THOSE lol. It's just the way it is
Lol! Subs are not coming! Thank God! Legends will always be the better version of this game.
Oh they're coming. It will just be awhile.
@@greggblack8205 people will quit for sure if they choose to
In my opinion I don't care if they come but they should not be put into standard
@rgjs4537 No we won't.
5 Jan 1943: USS (CC) Helena fires 2 salvos of 5” w/Proximity Fuzing and shoots down IJN dive bomber in first US Combat test of proximity fused AA.
May 1945: USS (DD) Evans & Hadley are attacked by over 150 Kamikazes off the coast of Okinawa. All were shot down with only pieces of 6 A/C actually hitting the ships.
What’s the point? Wanna balance the game? Screw the CV’s, Wargaming needs to add Proximity Fuzing to the AA suites. Then we’ll see what’s what. Bring it on you Fly Bags!
Same applies to Subs, add Depth Charges and improve Sonar suites and game on sardines, you’re what’s for lunch!
If subs com into the game in any format, they will be in the game 100% within 3 months.
Glad to see they are going to add a Bureau project, but they need to dump a bunch of ships in there. Outside of this 5th birthday thing my Bureau has been empty for months.
I've been asking since day 1 to allow us to preview ships in breau like we can with any other ship. We should be able to see the armor, skins, upgrades like everything else.
Columbo 😢
I was starting to think they would never need Columbo lol.
To be honest I think submarines shouldn't be added to normal game modes like standard but they should be a separate a game mode that could either be submarine on submarine pvp or submarine pvp with other classes of ships but it's still a different game mode, but if they did add submarines I would really want to see them add the french submarine Surcouf
They absolutely will increase tiers to sell premium T8’s, after folks slow down buying T7’s for coin.
They will add subs sooner or later. Gotta keep the content flowing. In its current form, you could not add them to standard battle without increasing team size I think. I would not mind them, I think they’re not valid than Carriers frankly
The only things l need is the WR of my team mates on screen.
Easy... they need good objective based game modes and get rid of epicenter for God sakes! My suggestion is basically island capture from BS Pacific! Greatest game mode ever made!
Do you think the Druid will be available the same way Colbert was? Like you had to pay 3k or 5k steel to get the bureau project. Or straight up steel?
The best news is the buff for Florida🎉
The Florida buff : -2.0sec mb reload
Finally your states ship is getting buffed after like 3 years😂
Make great battle standard rooms for up to 12 ships each side on bigger maps
Istg if they add subs I’m gonna quit because people are just gonna hide underwater the whole time
What if they can't deep dive? I've heard this brought up a lot and would like to hear your thoughts on it.
What's wrong with diving? You'd obviously be on the defence and the subs would take more damage as they dive deeper.... think about it!
@@greggblack8205 didn't know that. Thanks for letting me know. I haven't got a PC yet, so I'm still on legends only. What would you change to make them more balanced in Legends?
@georgesmith7449 I haven't played them on PC but from what I can see there is a pretty strong curve in learning how to use them correctly and I see the anti sub weapons to be very strong. I just think people are lazy in wows and never want to adapt to anything and just enjoy sitting behind mountains and spam... this cruiser talk specifically. Dd play is now horrendous, but I myself would love to play subs and also to sink them. It would just mix up the game meta which is so stale lately.
@@greggblack8205 I can agree with that. I've been having a lot of fun playing as and against the new boats with air strikes. Helps those AA loadouts help when a carrier isn't in play. I'm curious to see what they have planned for subs.
Seen the subs in the PC version. As someone who knows how ww1 and ww2 subs work, you might as well just say the WOW versions are all made of magic. The subs of that era are nothing like that and, in fairness, I cannot see how a 'realistic' treatment could fit properly into WOW. I know WG will inflict these .... *things* they call submarines on us sooner or later, but II will not pretend to like it.
One prediction of mine. Early 'Cold War' era ships are cropping up more and more in the game. On that basis, I would not be the least bit surprised if WG eventually puts out, probably at Legendary Tier, early NUCLEAR-POWERED submarines - ie. the Nautilus and the Russian November. Let's be honest, there are Whales in the game who would gladly sell personal body parts for that.
Still no plan to ever have a RN campaign ship then. Nothing I see makes me want to come back to this game.....
‘I’m suspicious now’🤣
The could capitailze on Black Flag and introduced those Gallions etc..
Whay they need to do is work on the small problem that the game still has.
aaron thinks like you that there will be some new gxp ships soon. he pointed out that for the Schill you can use gxp.
and if WG lets us use the gxp, its a good move to add gxp items soon after to earn some more money from players that convert elite exp.
Thanks for the video Tommy
No comment on matchmaking, shocker
It's sad that Colombo will be nerfed. When they nerf its usually heavy nerfs. I guess it's time to stop playing it. Colombo was the fun one. The accuracy isn't even that good but I understand it has good pen angles and 16 guns
I just want live ports.
So no Commander for the hiadia another Commander for the Brisbane would be nice
Could we get an "I need air support" slot added to the communication wheel?
@@dougkerste6242 that's actually a good idea! With the addition of Hybrid Battleships and airstrikes it would be very useful.
Please let the player base utilize there millions of elite xp in crafting station
These questions they covered where kinda bland. As a 5 year veteran and somewhat of a competent and competitive player. I asked if there will be a game mode where the RNG will be reduced but they probably don't wanna answer that one.
I also asked if Arms Race was going to be a separate game mode. Which need to added to the game imo.
Ok, so Florida gets buff and Azur lane Florida coming soon?
Bet Brisbane will receive at least 30mm bow/stern
They ignored my subtitle question😔
I can't believe they're not buffing the karl Because that ship is trash
cool, if the sub´s will have the same "balancing" like the cv´s now - i´m gonna sell my wows account (423 ships so far!) ... 🤮🤬
Bye.... how about adapt?
Smolensk? When did they say Smolensk is coming? lol
I assume he meant Gdansk
I play this game since it come out but they lost me as a player after i saw the bulshit with shill
WG can't do balancing.
Please no to Subs, I’ve seen nothing but bad things from the PC version. They used to be very balanced on Steel Ocean back in the day
God save everyone if they give me a submarine
Coming from Wow blitz ..there’s far too many islands.. many in stupid positions .. I’ve played all types of ships now and the extra islands add nothing to the gameplay.. They need to remove at least half of them ..
Please no subs
Will if subs are a no go. I'm done playing. That was the only reason I kept playing, in hopes it would come to Console like it did to pc
You’re in the minority there. Just play on pc if you want subs. No need to ruin both versions of the game with that cancer.
Bye 👋
The Florida doesn’t need a Buff You just need to use the new American commander and you can truly stomp ass with that because you can get the reload down to a normal level.
Subs are not coming, nice clickbait.