More powerful consoles won't address the limited number of wrestlers in matches, because that power tends to get shunted into improved graphics which in turn ensures that "technical limitations" continue to restrict character counts. That, and it does take more effort to design a game to properly handle more active characters (AI, human interaction, etc). Even if your code can handle it, the sheer number of characters possibly being active in the ring at the same time could potentially turn the game into a complete cluster**** (particularly depending on how you handle stuff like grapples, characters trying to push through each other, and the like). And publishers simply don't have enough incentive to up the character counts by that much, not when it will only be used by one or two specialty matches.
Yeah. And it was noted that in '12, the limit was 3v3 but WWF games had already done 4v4 back in the 16-bit era, so it's not so much that a more powerful system is needed. If you keep making everything else more intense, the more powerful system will still struggle. It's definitely more than possible to do a 5v5 match but only if you're not obsessive over "cutting-edge graphics" for your game.
@@crazyli Yukes/THQ released WWF Royal Rumble in arcades and the Dreamcast in 2000, a 3D wrestling game that supported *9* active wrestlers in the ring at the same time. Mind, that's really *all* it offered. It suffered the same fatal flaw of so many Sega arcade games of that period; it was extremely shallow in content. If you don't want to limit yourself to a WWE game, and don't mind character models built on N64-era aesthetics, MDickie's Wrestling Empire currently supports 30 fully active wrestlers in the ring on the Switch version, and I believe 60 on other platforms. For some idiotic reason, even though AEW Fight Forever only supports 4 wrestlers in a match, it will soon be getting a 30-man Fortnite-style online Battle Royale mode....
@@ZombifiedBuizel It is very loosely based on the cinematic "Stadium Stampede" match that AEW broadcast during the Covid era, where a bunch of wrestlers fought (and performed skits and stunts) in an empty football arena. Since UA-cam can have issues with links being posted in comments, just search for "AEW Fight Forever Stadium Stampede" to see the game mode trailer.
Literally played a HIAC match today in 2k23. 5 min into the match I inadvertently made undertaker perform a super kick along the outside ring... immediately got turned off and .....well quit the match. HIAC desperately needs a revamp because the match is sooooo boring and restrictive
Svr 2010 had so many weird changes for no reason. The elimination chamber stuff, and I don't remember exactly what it was cause it's been a while but I think in hardcore and extreme rules matches there were some cool features from previous games that were removed. Probably on some other match types too
Thank you finally someone mentions the hell in a cell limitation from smackdown 2 and 3 like I felt it was a elephant in the room that no one would address
That's how that match was in real life though. Anyone trying to get a pinfall or submission, you try to break it up. It doesn't really make much sense but that's how it was in real life and the game as well
@@thenewdiabolic26that’s cause if you just let the guy get pinned he becomes champ and just has to last until the time limit. Doesn’t make much sense to let other people get the pin when there’s no guarantee you’ll be able to pin them yourself.
@@mikeroagreschen5350 PS2 was perfectly able to render dozens of people on screen like in slashers. Hell, wrestling games have an entire crowd rendered. It's not console limitations it's how they program a game. Can easily have LoD models in case of frame drops too.
I want at least 10 wrestlers at the same time. Does not have to be in a Tag match or something but please... In a royal rumble the game just waits till a wrestler is eliminated before the next wrestler can enter the ring, as the limit is 8. This just takes away the realism aspect. And we all know that wwe games are a simulation of real wwe-wrestling
The door looks more aesthetically pleasing on the hard cam side anyway The older inferno match saves resources for something no one would notice, and the temperature system stops matches ending in 30 seconds, like the tables matches requiring finishers compared to now
The mini game is entirely different and is similar to the Rumble match elimination. The roll into the flames mechanic was also new and the more accurate design and no dumb temperature system. The match was completely different. 🤷♂️
The idea that PS3 isn't powerful enough to have 14 people on the screen is bull... We had Musou games on PS2 with dozens of people at the same time. All they have to do is to have LoD models to avoid slowdowns or just... optimize the games better.
@@keithsmith5433 nvm I googled it there was one in 2012. What I was referring to was the Smackdown vs Raw games. A lot of them didn’t even let you do a TLC ladder match. They had proper TLC matches in here comes the pain if I remember correctly.
Because literally you can turn a ladder match into a TLC, by using chairs and tables in a ladder match I guess TLC needed to be unique by including pin/submissions or it would just be a ladder match
Who created that clown towards the tail end of this video? I made a CAW extremely similar to that long ago. I can't remember what game, probably 12 or 14. But i used to use it online a lot. And it won me a lot of matches when everything went smoothly.
No. That would of been very cheap. I'm aware a lot of player's do this as a way to make an unrealistic, overpowered caw. I made mines to be more realistic, albeit creepy, but fair.
One of my personal favorites (or rather LEAST favorites) is the survivor series match in Smackdown vs Raw 2010 in the story mode for the Nintendo DS. You get some super entertaining story bits while choosing superstars to build your team, only for Mr. McMahon to say that instead of being a traditional survivor series, teams of 3 will face each other one on one. It's best of three, meaning that at best you have to win two matches back to back, or at worst you have to play three matches if you happen to lose on either the first or second match. You CANNOT save until all matches are over.
I never understood why some of the early Smackdown! games features the ability to KO your opponent using your finishing move - as if you were in a boxing match or something. What made it even more peculiar was when you’d be able to knockout an opponent with something as crap as ‘the worm’. What made any of the game modes on these earlier games was after you’d win a match by pin fall, your opponent would just stand back on their feet after the bell sounded. Nostalgia.
This is a choice from the developer, Yuke's, taking influence from puroresu, where in some circumstances you CAN win a match via KO (You'll note this feature was also in the four AKI wrestling games on the N64, WCW vs nWo World Tour, WCW/nWo Revenge, WWF WrestleMania 2000 and WWF No Mercy), the ring out's go to 20 instead of 10, etc. Moves such as The Worm being a KO is also inspired by puro. In Japanese pro wrestling, your finisher is much more of a big gun, and as such should only be broken out when needed. So you see a lot more different match finishes other than how it is in the US where you pretty much know you're going to see at least one finisher.
I appreciate the effort to explain the reasoning of why or how to change the design, but some points aren't valid For example, the lumberjack match It is due to limitations, you need to render too many wrestlers (more than 8), program their behaviour according to some extra systems (for example who is face and who is heel) and not make it unfair or even unplayable You'd know that if you ever see or watch the process of making a game, so no, a lumberjack match can't work outside of the probable showcase match where is more scripted how it will play out
Wishlist: Lumberjack Handicap Tables/Ladders/etc. Champion defends both belts Winner Takes All First Blood Over the Top Rope 1v1 Tag team battle royal (2v2v2v2 etc., 3v3, 4v4, 5v5) Pole I Quit Triple Cage Punjabi Prison Survivor Series Bragging Rights Iron Survivor Gauntlet Eliminator (It's a Regal NXT thing. My favorite match for 2 years. Over the top rope variations, WarGames, tables matches are better now) Scaffold
Don't forget RAW2 messed up the Royal rumble as well. You could get out the ring without Being eliminated? Plus use weapons? This game was truly a clusterf*ck.
The cage matches in WrestleMania 2000 and no mercy to name two but there could be more, could only be won by climbing the cage, no submission or pinfall....... Also I think there was tcl matches that didn't involve getting belts or a briefcase.
I know that what I will say has nothing to do with the video,but I want to ask some people who know about SVR Games and I think I can find many here! I am a big fan if SVR Games(never played full version though)!SVR 2007,2008,2009,2010 are my favorites I am a big fan of Jeff Hardy and as you know he is in all of them except the first!I would like to continue his "what if" career and get as many titles as I can(legend difficulty-strong AI)!I don't talk about RTW because it is very short and not GM Mode because I can control other players too!Is it possible?If yes in which SVR and which mode exactly?
I'm not knocking the wargames in 2k23 but in one aspect the cage looked more realistic in wwe12 cause of the original wcw design but I haven't seen WWEs version
royal rumble starts with 2 yes, but there are also 90 seconds between new entrants + new entrants not always focus on player 1 and yes that did happen in 2k22
Lets also mention the fact that in many years of games female superstars couldnt be used in many many MANY match types even though on TV they regularly did participate in them. They couldnt be selected as eligible to participate in them....which is also doing the match type WRONG.
A video game companies that make wrestling games stop caring so much about the graphics and started carrying more about accuracy I start playing them again
Wish WWE games took the backstage streets and stuff from hctp the great match variety it had and the matches we haven't seen since 2k14 allowed us to fight in the crowd brought more weapons like cookie sheets and bring back thumb tacks and give us the option to use the simulation wrestling from 2k19 or the fighting style from Day of Reckoning where the Simplist move looked like the opponent has concussions also miss the way finishers were handled in that game you could have a ground a standing front and back a diving corner top rope finisher like where are all the goat options
Honestly the 2k19 updates made it worse, too much mocap, everything seems slow motion and not impactful. Fighting is so limited outside the ring; you can barely move these days.
the hell in a cell...if you play against and AI as soon as the match start they run toward the cage and jump trough, i decide to try AI vs AI, no differenc they both run towad the cage and jump trough
Hot take but I prefer WWE 12’s one ring war games over WWE 2k23’s solely because it has elimination. 2k23’s war games is fun but it needs elimination to make it more exciting! It feels like a bitch to play cause ya gotta keep an eye on all your partners cause one pin or submission decides the match.
@@CodyLeeFree Yes. but I like the elimination part of it. WWE 12’s war games is still fun to play in RTWM! Tell me you aren’t on your feet when you see Cass brain buster Booker T on the steps and when he spears Nash through the top of the cage into the ring! BREAKING THE RING! Gimme THAT wargames!
@@GunthersLoyalSoldier1307 While I agree, I did enjoy WWE 12 RTWM, that still doesn’t change the fact that that’s not how War Games is supposed to be. To each their own I guess.🤷🏾♂️
@@CodyLeeFree At least give us the option to make 2k23’s war games have elimination. It’s a pain in the ass to do my own thing while watching the others
Sort of, more so AI issues. It was already explained right before the last game, that adding more than 8 people starts creating issues with the AI. That it starts creating targeting and gameplay problems. And there’s so much chaos that it becomes hard to really figure out who is doing what and where. And it would essentially be a clusterfuck. As 2k explained it in one of the Q&A’s.
@@mightynoob2733 It's really not though. As they've said. They can do it easily. It's just getting the AI to work right is the actual issue. And have it still be fun for the player in the middle of that chaos.
Smackdown Know Your Role with a really good game and I understand the limitations because it was a PlayStation 1 and I still call WarGames a watered-down version to me it still don't feel like the real war games
Know Your Role peaked so hard if SYM and HCTP weren't so good it would be the best wrestling game until recently, but also it had some features later games missing and I don't know why... where is my go around the town visit bars and roads and warehouses mode? Don't tell me about limitations, PS1 could do it but not modern systems, really? Lazy devs. They literally have models for gym, street, lobby etc. for MyCareer mode, add collisions to those, drop some pool cues, traffic cones and random guitars to smash people with, and it will be set.
I think the Royal Rumble for Dreamcast was the only one that got it right cuz the game was specifically made for it & they limited the HUD system to make it just the bar next to the wrestler. If 2K could just take that idea, there would be a lot more room for other stuff. But no one will ever do that.
He legit said it himself the consoles back then didn’t hold enough power we got the best they could do at the time and the cell door placement was for accessibility not that they got it wrong it was a convenient place for a video considering controls for games like that back then were bad enough as it was u gotta be open minded about this sorta thing or you just sound like spoiled brat that didn’t get what he wanted so everyone else had to dislike it too not a good attitude for a content creator to have tbf 😅someone had to say it
Notice how all the mess-ups happened during the THQ/Yukes era. I've been saying this for a while now, ever since Visual Concepts took over WWE 2K's development from 2K22. Yukes was the weakest link in getting things right.
@@Podgorski37 it has nothing to do with being biased towards my childhood the thing about wrestling games that makes them fun is the stupidity where’s the special guest referee? Where’s the casket,hardcore,inferno,buried alive and proper falls count anywhere all around the arena and outside the arena? where’s the playability and interactions with objects around the arena?where’s the seemless customization? where’s the large legends roster? where’s the great commentary?where’s the great old school arenas with a large amount to choose from? Where’s the actual option to make a actual custom match not just change a few rules in the “custom match” settings where’s the great general manager mode? Where’s the great career mode? Where’s the great voice overs? Where’s practically anything and everything except updated graphic and shorter loading screen times face it they canceled 2k22 because of how bad 2k21 was and how bad 2k22 was and what was so much better about 2k14? It was simply an updated version that was worse than wwe13 atleast thq and yukes put their souls and effort into some of the greatest wwf/wwe and wcw games of all time all 2k has done is what they did with nba,nhl and so many other games which is a milk the consumer out of their money with bugged out games that only really upgrade graphics and change a roster the only new match they have actually implemented is war games yet it sucks why can’t I have a war games match 1v1 because 2k sucks and makes it so I can’t please dont tell me my logic and opinion is only founded around nostalgia I have played all of the wwf/wwe,tna and wcw hell I even played the backyard wrestling games and have played these games since Nintendo 64 until now (ps5) and it’s a absolute disgrace what 2k puts out considering the great technology and gaming systems we have today you know what game is great Aew’s new game want to know why? It’s because they tried to make the game fun and have a level of freedom built into it
@@Podgorski37 wtf are you on about you don’t make sense also don’t say there was a casket match in 2k15 and don’t say there was a buried alive match in 2k16 showcase doesn’t count I’m talking about being able to select it myself and play that match by myself or with a friend same with lumberjack match that was on Smackdown just bring it you realise in the games past wwe13 you can’t even choose the arena you want to have your Royal rumble in your stick having it in either one arena set up or if you’re lucky maybe 2 arena set ups same with the elimination chamber match you’re stuck having it at a particular arena and they have done it again with war games in 2k23 where’s the fun I’m not being able to have a 8 man elimination match inside a two ring war game style cage set up
I actually like the Hell in a Cell design used for SmackDown! 2. Reminds me of the Last Battle for Atlanta back in '83.
U got fucking taste. Shit
But it's not actually the hell in a cell though.
More powerful consoles won't address the limited number of wrestlers in matches, because that power tends to get shunted into improved graphics which in turn ensures that "technical limitations" continue to restrict character counts. That, and it does take more effort to design a game to properly handle more active characters (AI, human interaction, etc). Even if your code can handle it, the sheer number of characters possibly being active in the ring at the same time could potentially turn the game into a complete cluster**** (particularly depending on how you handle stuff like grapples, characters trying to push through each other, and the like). And publishers simply don't have enough incentive to up the character counts by that much, not when it will only be used by one or two specialty matches.
Yeah. And it was noted that in '12, the limit was 3v3 but WWF games had already done 4v4 back in the 16-bit era, so it's not so much that a more powerful system is needed. If you keep making everything else more intense, the more powerful system will still struggle.
It's definitely more than possible to do a 5v5 match but only if you're not obsessive over "cutting-edge graphics" for your game.
Yes, It's too bad the general public have no idea how game development works.
@@crazyli Yukes/THQ released WWF Royal Rumble in arcades and the Dreamcast in 2000, a 3D wrestling game that supported *9* active wrestlers in the ring at the same time. Mind, that's really *all* it offered. It suffered the same fatal flaw of so many Sega arcade games of that period; it was extremely shallow in content.
If you don't want to limit yourself to a WWE game, and don't mind character models built on N64-era aesthetics, MDickie's Wrestling Empire currently supports 30 fully active wrestlers in the ring on the Switch version, and I believe 60 on other platforms.
For some idiotic reason, even though AEW Fight Forever only supports 4 wrestlers in a match, it will soon be getting a 30-man Fortnite-style online Battle Royale mode....
@@BainesMkII How would that battle royale style work for a wrestling game? That's so stupid.
@@ZombifiedBuizel It is very loosely based on the cinematic "Stadium Stampede" match that AEW broadcast during the Covid era, where a bunch of wrestlers fought (and performed skits and stunts) in an empty football arena. Since UA-cam can have issues with links being posted in comments, just search for "AEW Fight Forever Stadium Stampede" to see the game mode trailer.
I remember SD! JBI had 8 characters at once, but every game after that only had like 6.
Man, SVR 06 has held up quite well for its time
Still the best WWE game
@@flackjacket3ditsHCTP barely edges it out.
@@Brandonrios365 too cartoony and overrated
Literally played a HIAC match today in 2k23. 5 min into the match I inadvertently made undertaker perform a super kick along the outside ring... immediately got turned off and .....well quit the match. HIAC desperately needs a revamp because the match is sooooo boring and restrictive
When the title says 11 but the narrator says 12, looks like the people developing the wwe video games weren't the only people that messed up......
Svr 2010 had so many weird changes for no reason. The elimination chamber stuff, and I don't remember exactly what it was cause it's been a while but I think in hardcore and extreme rules matches there were some cool features from previous games that were removed. Probably on some other match types too
SVR 09 and 10 removed a lot of stuff that we never got back sadly.
Thank you finally someone mentions the hell in a cell limitation from smackdown 2 and 3 like I felt it was a elephant in the room that no one would address
Another one. Championship Scramble matches in games. The AI in the match type would keep breaking up pins even though they are not the champion.
That's how that match was in real life though. Anyone trying to get a pinfall or submission, you try to break it up. It doesn't really make much sense but that's how it was in real life and the game as well
@@thenewdiabolic26that’s cause if you just let the guy get pinned he becomes champ and just has to last until the time limit. Doesn’t make much sense to let other people get the pin when there’s no guarantee you’ll be able to pin them yourself.
Yeah, surely from a kayfabe perspective you WOULD be breaking up all pins?
I think matches are chaotic enough with 8 wrestlers at a time. I'm fine with not having more.
I'm thinking maybe next gen consoles might be able to handle more and keep it smooth.
@@mikeroagreschen5350 PS2 was perfectly able to render dozens of people on screen like in slashers. Hell, wrestling games have an entire crowd rendered. It's not console limitations it's how they program a game. Can easily have LoD models in case of frame drops too.
I want at least 10 wrestlers at the same time. Does not have to be in a Tag match or something but please... In a royal rumble the game just waits till a wrestler is eliminated before the next wrestler can enter the ring, as the limit is 8. This just takes away the realism aspect. And we all know that wwe games are a simulation of real wwe-wrestling
Tbh I think in about 10 years maybe 15 it will be changed to 10 or 12
They need 10 to do War Games properly.
The door looks more aesthetically pleasing on the hard cam side anyway
The older inferno match saves resources for something no one would notice, and the temperature system stops matches ending in 30 seconds, like the tables matches requiring finishers compared to now
WWE 13/2K14's Inferno match as mentioned in the video is vastly superior in design and gameplay.
@@ThisGenGaming it's literally no different besides "oh look a box where the fire comes from"
The mini game is entirely different and is similar to the Rumble match elimination. The roll into the flames mechanic was also new and the more accurate design and no dumb temperature system. The match was completely different. 🤷♂️
The idea that PS3 isn't powerful enough to have 14 people on the screen is bull... We had Musou games on PS2 with dozens of people at the same time. All they have to do is to have LoD models to avoid slowdowns or just... optimize the games better.
Even matt Dickie could probably
Even do that on Wrestling empire.
On wrestling empire you could almost
Have the entire roster in the ring during a battle royal.
It's really neat.
Slows the game down on PC.
Alternate Titles: 11 times developers tried to incorporate match types into WWE games despite the console's limitations.
12:21 to be honest that spot was crazy
Bro the video is only 9 minutes long...
@henryluczak6218 bro I swear there was a spot where the guy was slammed through the cage and through the ring how tf is it not there anymore
@@SammyWerunga different video
@vulgervulcan6345 what? Which video this has honestly been trippy for me
💀
Why did it take years for TLC matches to be proper ladder matches and not won by pin fall/submission?
because they did lots of tlc matches won by pin or submission in real life
@@keithsmith5433 Which TLC matches ended by pinfall?
@@keithsmith5433 nvm I googled it there was one in 2012. What I was referring to was the Smackdown vs Raw games. A lot of them didn’t even let you do a TLC ladder match. They had proper TLC matches in here comes the pain if I remember correctly.
@@patrickr9670 haha and I was pissed I have to edit custom match to have TLC end in a pin or submission and not random object on the ceiling.
Because literally you can turn a ladder match into a TLC, by using chairs and tables in a ladder match
I guess TLC needed to be unique by including pin/submissions or it would just be a ladder match
Who created that clown towards the tail end of this video?
I made a CAW extremely similar to that long ago. I can't remember what game, probably 12 or 14. But i used to use it online a lot. And it won me a lot of matches when everything went smoothly.
Looks like doink
Did he happen to have all finishing moves as his regular moves?
No. That would of been very cheap. I'm aware a lot of player's do this as a way to make an unrealistic, overpowered caw.
I made mines to be more realistic, albeit creepy, but fair.
One of my personal favorites (or rather LEAST favorites) is the survivor series match in Smackdown vs Raw 2010 in the story mode for the Nintendo DS. You get some super entertaining story bits while choosing superstars to build your team, only for Mr. McMahon to say that instead of being a traditional survivor series, teams of 3 will face each other one on one. It's best of three, meaning that at best you have to win two matches back to back, or at worst you have to play three matches if you happen to lose on either the first or second match. You CANNOT save until all matches are over.
I never understood why some of the early Smackdown! games features the ability to KO your opponent using your finishing move - as if you were in a boxing match or something.
What made it even more peculiar was when you’d be able to knockout an opponent with something as crap as ‘the worm’.
What made any of the game modes on these earlier games was after you’d win a match by pin fall, your opponent would just stand back on their feet after the bell sounded.
Nostalgia.
This is a choice from the developer, Yuke's, taking influence from puroresu, where in some circumstances you CAN win a match via KO (You'll note this feature was also in the four AKI wrestling games on the N64, WCW vs nWo World Tour, WCW/nWo Revenge, WWF WrestleMania 2000 and WWF No Mercy), the ring out's go to 20 instead of 10, etc.
Moves such as The Worm being a KO is also inspired by puro. In Japanese pro wrestling, your finisher is much more of a big gun, and as such should only be broken out when needed. So you see a lot more different match finishes other than how it is in the US where you pretty much know you're going to see at least one finisher.
Can you reiterate the elimination chamber order? Far as I remember you could always set a random or specific entry number for a chamber entry?
I think it was were the pods always opened in the same order from Bottom Right clockwise or something like that.
I like the old hell in the cell cage break feature , they should bring it back
In terms of NXT Wargames, the 4v4 is accurate
I love this mans videos they are so entertaining to watch 😊❤
yea i love them aswell
I appreciate the effort to explain the reasoning of why or how to change the design, but some points aren't valid
For example, the lumberjack match
It is due to limitations, you need to render too many wrestlers (more than 8), program their behaviour according to some extra systems (for example who is face and who is heel) and not make it unfair or even unplayable
You'd know that if you ever see or watch the process of making a game, so no, a lumberjack match can't work outside of the probable showcase match where is more scripted how it will play out
Man playing with young Jeff a vibe
Can you please do a video on all of the errors of WWE 13 like wrong attires or missing characters
Wishlist:
Lumberjack
Handicap Tables/Ladders/etc.
Champion defends both belts Winner Takes All
First Blood
Over the Top Rope 1v1
Tag team battle royal (2v2v2v2 etc., 3v3, 4v4, 5v5)
Pole
I Quit
Triple Cage
Punjabi Prison
Survivor Series
Bragging Rights
Iron Survivor
Gauntlet Eliminator (It's a Regal NXT thing. My favorite match for 2 years. Over the top rope variations, WarGames, tables matches are better now)
Scaffold
Real question how you escape the casket for the challenge svr2006
Don't forget RAW2 messed up the Royal rumble as well.
You could get out the ring without
Being eliminated?
Plus use weapons?
This game was truly a clusterf*ck.
The cage matches in WrestleMania 2000 and no mercy to name two but there could be more, could only be won by climbing the cage, no submission or pinfall....... Also I think there was tcl matches that didn't involve getting belts or a briefcase.
I know that what I will say has nothing to do with the video,but I want to ask some people who know about SVR Games and I think I can find many here! I am a big fan if SVR Games(never played full version though)!SVR 2007,2008,2009,2010 are my favorites I am a big fan of Jeff Hardy and as you know he is in all of them except the first!I would like to continue his "what if" career and get as many titles as I can(legend difficulty-strong AI)!I don't talk about RTW because it is very short and not GM Mode because I can control other players too!Is it possible?If yes in which SVR and which mode exactly?
I'm not knocking the wargames in 2k23 but in one aspect the cage looked more realistic in wwe12 cause of the original wcw design but I haven't seen WWEs version
The WWE version
version has no roof. it’s pretty accurate.
Ah so this is where the Casino Battle Royale came from huh?
Were these match types messed up? Totally.
But were they fun to play? Absolutely!
@@nehemiahpouncey3607 how am I hating? I literally said they were fun to play 😂
@@MegaElitePredator sorry🤣
@@nehemiahpouncey3607 no worries 🤣
i think the biggest error is the hell in the cell size from the last years, the space is very small and you can't use weapons outside the ring
royal rumble starts with 2 yes, but there are also 90 seconds between new entrants + new entrants not always focus on player 1 and yes that did happen in 2k22
It was either SmackDown or SmackDown 2 where the cage matches had no ropes.
yeah even 2k22 had problems with 4 vs 4 so lumberjack matches.. if you like to play in slowmotion maybe???
On RAW 2 the interferences were wrong.
They'll attack your opponent but not
You.
Also A.i. opponent:why are these
Guy's beating up on me?
What I do?
Technically in the 2009 inferno, it shows a small cutscene of the referees lighting it on fire
I want triple threat tag team tornado ladder match and elimination table matches just for the nostalgia
Don’t they have fatal 4way tag team ladder matches?
WWF Smackdown 2 ladder match where you hop on the ladder and grab the belt without struggle
With all these errors, inaccuracies, etc.. i wonder if these developers actually know or watch the product.
Lets also mention the fact that in many years of games female superstars couldnt be used in many many MANY match types even though on TV they regularly did participate in them. They couldnt be selected as eligible to participate in them....which is also doing the match type WRONG.
A video game companies that make wrestling games stop caring so much about the graphics and started carrying more about accuracy I start playing them again
What was wrong with door placement
Wish WWE games took the backstage streets and stuff from hctp the great match variety it had and the matches we haven't seen since 2k14 allowed us to fight in the crowd brought more weapons like cookie sheets and bring back thumb tacks and give us the option to use the simulation wrestling from 2k19 or the fighting style from Day of Reckoning where the Simplist move looked like the opponent has concussions also miss the way finishers were handled in that game you could have a ground a standing front and back a diving corner top rope finisher like where are all the goat options
I miss special guest referee
Ngl even tho this probably haven't happened as a match yet but u can play war games as a 1v1
Idk wtf happened but hiac is unbearable to play now
Honestly the 2k19 updates made it worse, too much mocap, everything seems slow motion and not impactful. Fighting is so limited outside the ring; you can barely move these days.
I just want buried alive and inferno back
the hell in a cell...if you play against and AI as soon as the match start they run toward the cage and jump trough, i decide to try AI vs AI, no differenc they both run towad the cage and jump trough
i remember here comes the pain royal rumble started with 2 people max in the ring was 6 i beleive
This WWE12 Match Reminds Me Of Dolph Ziggler Soul Servival Series Match
where was the hell in a cell door supposed to be, or am I trippin?
Pinning on the outside part of the HIAC is inaccurate
Im lost can we have a triple threat tlc match or nah?
You couldn’t pin or submit in cage matches in the n64 games.
Do a gm mode series
WWF War Zone for the N64 stared the royal rumble with 2 people
why is the audio louder in my left ear
Hot take but I prefer WWE 12’s one ring war games over WWE 2k23’s solely because it has elimination. 2k23’s war games is fun but it needs elimination to make it more exciting! It feels like a bitch to play cause ya gotta keep an eye on all your partners cause one pin or submission decides the match.
But…that’s the point…of War Games…
It’s not an elimination match…🤷🏾♂️
Have you not watched an War Games match before?
@@CodyLeeFree Yes. but I like the elimination part of it. WWE 12’s war games is still fun to play in RTWM! Tell me you aren’t on your feet when you see Cass brain buster Booker T on the steps and when he spears Nash through the top of the cage into the ring! BREAKING THE RING! Gimme THAT wargames!
@@GunthersLoyalSoldier1307 While I agree, I did enjoy WWE 12 RTWM, that still doesn’t change the fact that that’s not how War Games is supposed to be. To each their own I guess.🤷🏾♂️
@@CodyLeeFree At least give us the option to make 2k23’s war games have elimination. It’s a pain in the ass to do my own thing while watching the others
@@GunthersLoyalSoldier1307 U can take over as all of the wrestlers on your team as well. U aren't committed to just the one
I very much doubt that the limited number of wrestlers is due to hardware limitations
Sort of, more so AI issues. It was already explained right before the last game, that adding more than 8 people starts creating issues with the AI. That it starts creating targeting and gameplay problems.
And there’s so much chaos that it becomes hard to really figure out who is doing what and where. And it would essentially be a clusterfuck. As 2k explained it in one of the Q&A’s.
@@thebluemanful
So no hardware limitation, then
@@mightynoob2733 It's really not though. As they've said. They can do it easily. It's just getting the AI to work right is the actual issue. And have it still be fun for the player in the middle of that chaos.
RVS 2009 TLC matches won by pinfall
you could fight on top of the cell in Smackdown! 2
Im sad we still haven't got the wcw triple cage :/
Wrestlemania 19 we kind of did.
Smackdown Know Your Role with a really good game and I understand the limitations because it was a PlayStation 1 and I still call WarGames a watered-down version to me it still don't feel like the real war games
Know Your Role peaked so hard if SYM and HCTP weren't so good it would be the best wrestling game until recently, but also it had some features later games missing and I don't know why... where is my go around the town visit bars and roads and warehouses mode? Don't tell me about limitations, PS1 could do it but not modern systems, really? Lazy devs. They literally have models for gym, street, lobby etc. for MyCareer mode, add collisions to those, drop some pool cues, traffic cones and random guitars to smash people with, and it will be set.
I like wwe games, but that never made 2006 for the xbox 360, but made other,s.
How is it wwe and ufc games were better 15 years ago ?
SVR series arena and audience looks more lively then 2k series arena
Very true, even in 12 to 2k14 the arena had a better atmosphere than 2k15-present
WAR GAMES IS WRONG IN WWE 2K23. THE WRESTLERS ARE ON THE WRONG SPOT
Wassup gen x
I think the Royal Rumble for Dreamcast was the only one that got it right cuz the game was specifically made for it & they limited the HUD system to make it just the bar next to the wrestler. If 2K could just take that idea, there would be a lot more room for other stuff. But no one will ever do that.
That game had a very small roster. The same wrestlers would re-enter the Rumble match several times.
wait... was that 12 or 11? lol
You won't see much change until they stop using their 20+ year old shitty engine, it needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.
In 2k 22 they ruined backstage brawl there is nowhere to go there
watched for 3 years
RAW 2 kinda had doors, awkward doors but🤷🏿♂️. War Games on 2k23 is ASS!
The Hell in a Cell in SmackDown 2 & Just Bring It looks like AEW’s Steel Cage
TGG🔥🔥🔥🔥
in the old days the rumble started with 30 men in the ring.
Best design for hell in a cell was in legends of wrestlemania
yea make a video about fight forever being not as good as they thought.
He legit said it himself the consoles back then didn’t hold enough power we got the best they could do at the time and the cell door placement was for accessibility not that they got it wrong it was a convenient place for a video considering controls for games like that back then were bad enough as it was u gotta be open minded about this sorta thing or you just sound like spoiled brat that didn’t get what he wanted so everyone else had to dislike it too not a good attitude for a content creator to have tbf 😅someone had to say it
Hi
pin?
Just be grateful they don’t have to put em on there
Notice how all the mess-ups happened during the THQ/Yukes era. I've been saying this for a while now, ever since Visual Concepts took over WWE 2K's development from 2K22. Yukes was the weakest link in getting things right.
You want to know why it’s yukes and thq it’s because they actually did something other than change the roster the last great wwe game was wwe13
@@louisn1368biased towards your childhood. 2K14 is so much better, as well as the newer ones
Because all the games for those much older consoles were THQ/Yukes, use your brain
@@Podgorski37 it has nothing to do with being biased towards my childhood the thing about wrestling games that makes them fun is the stupidity where’s the special guest referee? Where’s the casket,hardcore,inferno,buried alive and proper falls count anywhere all around the arena and outside the arena? where’s the playability and interactions with objects around the arena?where’s the seemless customization? where’s the large legends roster? where’s the great commentary?where’s the great old school arenas with a large amount to choose from? Where’s the actual option to make a actual custom match not just change a few rules in the “custom match” settings where’s the great general manager mode? Where’s the great career mode? Where’s the great voice overs? Where’s practically anything and everything except updated graphic and shorter loading screen times face it they canceled 2k22 because of how bad 2k21 was and how bad 2k22 was and what was so much better about 2k14? It was simply an updated version that was worse than wwe13 atleast thq and yukes put their souls and effort into some of the greatest wwf/wwe and wcw games of all time all 2k has done is what they did with nba,nhl and so many other games which is a milk the consumer out of their money with bugged out games that only really upgrade graphics and change a roster the only new match they have actually implemented is war games yet it sucks why can’t I have a war games match 1v1 because 2k sucks and makes it so I can’t please dont tell me my logic and opinion is only founded around nostalgia I have played all of the wwf/wwe,tna and wcw hell I even played the backyard wrestling games and have played these games since Nintendo 64 until now (ps5) and it’s a absolute disgrace what 2k puts out considering the great technology and gaming systems we have today you know what game is great Aew’s new game want to know why? It’s because they tried to make the game fun and have a level of freedom built into it
@@Podgorski37 wtf are you on about you don’t make sense also don’t say there was a casket match in 2k15 and don’t say there was a buried alive match in 2k16 showcase doesn’t count I’m talking about being able to select it myself and play that match by myself or with a friend same with lumberjack match that was on Smackdown just bring it you realise in the games past wwe13 you can’t even choose the arena you want to have your Royal rumble in your stick having it in either one arena set up or if you’re lucky maybe 2 arena set ups same with the elimination chamber match you’re stuck having it at a particular arena and they have done it again with war games in 2k23 where’s the fun I’m not being able to have a 8 man elimination match inside a two ring war game style cage set up