Kantbei here! Base skips did count as units lost, so building inf wouldnt have changed things. Spidy stppped building units once the center bases were lost as he thought the game was over. Soul4rent then tried to suicide because he knew I'd start debtmaxxing (and he didnt think he could kill Alexis). Unfortunately, he didnt realize staying in the game would prevent me from maximizing his debt lol. I do think there was some slight optimisation i could have done to get bases faster, but had to balance vs potentially losing to Alexis (letting a base get capped would be pretty bad for debtmaxxing) There's no formal partnership between the two AWBWs, but soul picked the charity because the names are the same Game ends due to day limit on the last turn so properties determine the winner. Thanks for sharing Mangs! :)
For 2v2s, you could have Orange Star & Amber Blaze vs Blue Moon & Cobalt Ice. Their colors are similar enough to avoid confusion, yet they also have a distinct look to tell them apart.
other color combos for other countries (because I know Mangs likes to have COs be in their proper countries) could Green Earth/Acid Rain and Black Hole/Grey Sky or Noir Eclipse, also Amber Blaze/Yellow Comet and instead pair Orange Star with Red Fire which'd be much more fitting imo Blue Moon could also be paired with Azure Asteroid or Teal Galaxy, they'd all work just as well as Cobalt Ice. also also the cities aren't affected by changing unit direction so that's another benefit (telling which player has which city)
Literally was about to comment something similar. Two colors that are similar per side. Like you said Red and orange + blue and aqua. They're similar enough to not confuse the teams but distinct enough to know which player is which.
For future 2v2 game casting, you could set it so that the teams are of similar, but different color. Like for Team A, Soul4rent could be Orange Star, while Kantbei could be Red Fire or Amber Blaze. As for Team B, Alixisgirl could be Blue Moon while Spidy400 could be Cobalt Ice or Azure Asteroid. Warm red or orange colors for Team A, Cool cyan or blue Colors for Team B. Other nation color combos that may work for differentiating the players on the same team Black Hole and Grey Skies (Black Team) Pink Cosmos and Purple Lightning (Purple Team) Green Earth and Acid Rain (Green Team) Combos like that. The idea being that there's a Lighter and Darker player of the same color on the same team.
My inner Worms player is thinking "yeah, there's no way to distinguish between teams in an alliance in Advance Wars other than by regular player colour"
I just got done with the Mangs cup where two of the best players in the world went head-to-head. It's fascinating watching two people trying their utmost to win. And then there's this.
This is Grimm, then is Grimm, now we have Grimm and of course we cant forget me Grimm. Sonja: Dad, are you seeing this? Kanbei: Of course my daughter 8 Grimm, hmm i dont see a problem to be honest
For 2v2 casting: if you're going to keep the same color for the teams, you could use the empty space above your head to indicate which way a player's unit is facing so it's easier to remember. Hell, could just throw an infantry sprite there.
Hi Mangs, if you do 2v2, you can do like colors, like black hole and gray sky as a team, and blue moon and the penguin army as a team. Something like that! Love these casual fun videos.
I read the title and thought you were referring to the ongoing 2v2 you got with Deej vs Grimm Girl and Grimm Guy. I will admit, I got tilted towards the end hence me not building any more units. Hope y’all still enjoy watching though lol
For 4-player matches, Id suggest showing the teams with similar colors but not the same to differentiate between bases, cities, and units owned by each play. For example. Yellow/orange is for one team, and green/blue is for the other. It is easy to determine which team something is on and which individual player.
gosh, with Grimm vs Grimm, it's just a cacophony of death explosions when they go at each other. no worries about what health units are left damaged at, they just get deleted by the opposite force like an adult chowing down popcorn.
I didnt know mango was colour blind! The good news is, in this modern day, theres actually developments in ways around colour blindness being worked on, and I believe 1 of the 3 main types has been 'fixed' with a special lens already. Only a matter of time for the others to similarly be treated, I do wonder if we would ever be able to cure it though, directly for the person without the need for glasses or lens replacements.
Enchroma glasses and similar are much less effective than advertised, but they can still be a bit helpful since they allow for shifting contrasts, just they don't really *fix* anything
Mangs, you know what would be even better? 5 Grimm’s! You should have worn a yellow shirt with black shades. That would have been perfect! Love your shows. Huge fan.
Just a thought for casting. You could do warm and cool colors. So red / orange / yellow is one team and blue / green / purple could be the other. I do remember you mentioning some color blindness (apologies if I'm mistaken), and that could make that difficult. For you and any color blind viewers.
@@furiouscorgi6614 There are 2 on the map, I want to see 4 for each player, hence the comment. Mainly because there would be no surviving any attack from the other player.
The best way you can cast a 2v2 is to set the teams to humans vs creatures. Humans can be any 2 teams that are similarly colored, Orange Star + Red Fire, or Grey Sky + Black Hole are good options. Creatures are Cobalt Ice + Silver Claw. This makes it easy enough to tell at a glance which team each player is on and distinguish teammates from each other.
My idea for 2v2 colors is to do one team with creatures and the other with humans even though I know the inf and mech units aren't well loved. For humans, Nohr Eclipse and maybe Grey Sky or Brown Desert and then Azure Asteroid and Silver Claw for creatures. Dark colors and humans are now one team. Lighter colors and creatures on the other team. If you want to do like more visually similar color but slightly different, Red Fire and Pink Cosmos vs. Cobalt Ice and Blue Moon or Azure Asteroid. Reds vs Blues.
I think that making the teams different countries but using similar colors could be a better solution, but looking at the options AWBW has it isn't that simple. Making the teams same color facing opposite directions is fine, but if you wanna make things even clearer, you could edit the little infantry icons in the player card UI so they would also face to the correct directions. You could just copy, mirror, and paste the icons in an overlay and it should be fine and easy since the UI is completely stationary and has simple graphics. (edit. I noticed that the little coin in the unit value icon has a G in it that would get mirrored too, but who really cares) Also AWBW, make a combined team UI for 2v2 matches. In addition of the normal player cards, make an additional card that has the combined stats for each team's units count, value and income.
I'm curious as to how an Andy vs Grimm 1 vs 1 on a 3-base fog map with semi-useless harbors (you know the one where sometimes people build battleships to act as glorified rockets, but general don't use the naval units). On one hand, Grimm usually doesn't leave behind many injured units. On your turn you tend to blow up his units and on his turn, he tends to kill yours. That seems to leave very few injured units for Andy to use his Hyperupgrade. On the other hand, Andy is just an easier CO to use and his recons are more likely to survive letting him actually see.
Andy is hard countered by COs with high firepower. Max and Grimm are two of the worst matchups for him. Cant heal his units if they're all dead. Plus, in terms of air units, Grimm doesn't really care about defense and enjoys the extra power against Andy's copters.
@@raydespoir Yeah that sounds about right, you can't heal units that are dead. I'd still like to see Mangs cover a matchup like this someday. Grimm is the harder CO to play overall, but Andy doesn't like this matchup at all.
I can't agree with the same color thing because then it is hard to tell whose army is whose, and impossible to tell which properties are whose. You can find a happy medium by making the blue team two different shades of blue (say BM and Penguins) and the red team two different shades of red (OS and Red Fire).
I wouldn't have been too put off to say $1 a unit. Most matches don't get close to 1 side losing 100. But also in regards to a personal expense in a charitable event a hundred or 200 bucks isn't too terrible. Made for some silliness though
I don’t know the specifics of your colour-blindness, but would “hot” colours (e.g., Orange Star and Yellow Comet) work with “cold” colours (e.g., Blue Moon and Green Earth)? Edit: assuming it’s Red-Green, could switch Green Earth for Black Hole or something. Still, left-and-right facing worked fine in this case.
If you're going to have them facing left and right, would it be possible just to write on your stream/video next to each player which one they are? It's kind of hard to quickly commit to memory.
Kantbei is a troll? Uh, I played two games against him. One was where he had a one on one live match. A friendly one where he gave me some tips. The 2nd one is on live league and he played me seriously. I never knew he was a troll sometimes given how nice he was on the times we interacted.
Kantbei here!
Base skips did count as units lost, so building inf wouldnt have changed things.
Spidy stppped building units once the center bases were lost as he thought the game was over.
Soul4rent then tried to suicide because he knew I'd start debtmaxxing (and he didnt think he could kill Alexis). Unfortunately, he didnt realize staying in the game would prevent me from maximizing his debt lol.
I do think there was some slight optimisation i could have done to get bases faster, but had to balance vs potentially losing to Alexis (letting a base get capped would be pretty bad for debtmaxxing)
There's no formal partnership between the two AWBWs, but soul picked the charity because the names are the same
Game ends due to day limit on the last turn so properties determine the winner.
Thanks for sharing Mangs! :)
"Debtmaxxing" 😆
For 2v2s, you could have Orange Star & Amber Blaze vs Blue Moon & Cobalt Ice. Their colors are similar enough to avoid confusion, yet they also have a distinct look to tell them apart.
Was thinking the same thing. Having two complimentary colors.
other color combos for other countries (because I know Mangs likes to have COs be in their proper countries) could Green Earth/Acid Rain and Black Hole/Grey Sky or Noir Eclipse, also Amber Blaze/Yellow Comet and instead pair Orange Star with Red Fire which'd be much more fitting imo
Blue Moon could also be paired with Azure Asteroid or Teal Galaxy, they'd all work just as well as Cobalt Ice.
also also the cities aren't affected by changing unit direction so that's another benefit (telling which player has which city)
@@vikavolt11 this is exactly what I was thinking
Agree
Literally was about to comment something similar. Two colors that are similar per side. Like you said Red and orange + blue and aqua. They're similar enough to not confuse the teams but distinct enough to know which player is which.
It's a crime that Grimm Guy isn't here.
He would have swept
Now that's a Grimm state of affair right there...
@@ChillstoneBlakeBlast Maybe he'd throw for content?
It makes you wonder if he indeed was here
Or Grimm Girl for that matter
I'm seeing 5 Grimms in my screen tho
For future 2v2 game casting, you could set it so that the teams are of similar, but different color. Like for Team A, Soul4rent could be Orange Star, while Kantbei could be Red Fire or Amber Blaze. As for Team B, Alixisgirl could be Blue Moon while Spidy400 could be Cobalt Ice or Azure Asteroid.
Warm red or orange colors for Team A, Cool cyan or blue Colors for Team B.
Other nation color combos that may work for differentiating the players on the same team
Black Hole and Grey Skies (Black Team)
Pink Cosmos and Purple Lightning (Purple Team)
Green Earth and Acid Rain (Green Team)
Combos like that. The idea being that there's a Lighter and Darker player of the same color on the same team.
My inner Worms player is thinking "yeah, there's no way to distinguish between teams in an alliance in Advance Wars other than by regular player colour"
Sturm vs Sturm: Pool noodle fight
Grimm vs Grimm: Live weapons
Missed opportunity to do the episode in round wire sunglasses. To fully immerse the audience in grim
I just got done with the Mangs cup where two of the best players in the world went head-to-head. It's fascinating watching two people trying their utmost to win. And then there's this.
Huh, i didn't expect this mess to become a video ( I'm Alexis girl )
Btw she not he Dx
Ah Alexis girl. That makes more sense. My bad. Forgive me 😅
This is Grimm, then is Grimm, now we have Grimm and of course we cant forget me Grimm.
Sonja: Dad, are you seeing this?
Kanbei: Of course my daughter 8 Grimm, hmm i dont see a problem to be honest
Confirmed kantbai is grim guy
Grim Gei
Grimt gai
For 2v2 casting: if you're going to keep the same color for the teams, you could use the empty space above your head to indicate which way a player's unit is facing so it's easier to remember. Hell, could just throw an infantry sprite there.
Grimm has one of my favourite themes.
There IS comtowers on the map, on the top left & bottom right corners
OOPS
Hi Mangs, if you do 2v2, you can do like colors, like black hole and gray sky as a team, and blue moon and the penguin army as a team. Something like that! Love these casual fun videos.
"Grimm mirror" is just a synonym for "fireworks". Boom! Boom! Boom! Everything is on fire and explodes.
this wholesomeness and Kantbei trolling being the grimm guy of the match.
I read the title and thought you were referring to the ongoing 2v2 you got with Deej vs Grimm Girl and Grimm Guy.
I will admit, I got tilted towards the end hence me not building any more units. Hope y’all still enjoy watching though lol
The Grimmening is here, rejoice brothers, and Behold our New lords
Rather than have two red players, maybe have a red and orange team against a blue and teal team?
oh yeah a Grimm video, the best content avaible on UA-cam
This is the best part of "just for fun" matches: they're the only opportunity you get for the completely wacky stuff to come out.
Funniest match of the year! So funny to see pro players throwing the match on purpose!
Oh... I thought 5 grims is better than 4 grims
For 4-player matches, Id suggest showing the teams with similar colors but not the same to differentiate between bases, cities, and units owned by each play. For example. Yellow/orange is for one team, and green/blue is for the other. It is easy to determine which team something is on and which individual player.
Spoiler alert. The player that uses Grimm wins.
The charity is “A Window Between Worlds”, or AWBW for short. For anyone who skipped ahead to the game or didn’t catch that lol
We need a grimm only tournament; the grimmening!
I honestly hope we get more 2v2 matches it's really fun to see the team work
gosh, with Grimm vs Grimm, it's just a cacophony of death explosions when they go at each other. no worries about what health units are left damaged at, they just get deleted by the opposite force like an adult chowing down popcorn.
Keep pumping out these awsome match castings man
(Edt) This ended up being the best replay I've ever watched
I didnt know mango was colour blind!
The good news is, in this modern day, theres actually developments in ways around colour blindness being worked on, and I believe 1 of the 3 main types has been 'fixed' with a special lens already. Only a matter of time for the others to similarly be treated, I do wonder if we would ever be able to cure it though, directly for the person without the need for glasses or lens replacements.
Enchroma glasses and similar are much less effective than advertised, but they can still be a bit helpful since they allow for shifting contrasts, just they don't really *fix* anything
This battle is looking quite Grim...
Mangs, you know what would be even better? 5 Grimm’s! You should have worn a yellow shirt with black shades. That would have been perfect! Love your shows. Huge fan.
Mangs should have worn sunglasses then we would have 5 Grimms, which would be like Mangs would say a treat.
Grimm vs grimm matchup is so volatile units are being taken out by the air molecules
Ayo, been hoping to see more than 1v1 games! Never seems like they happen
I would loooove to see a charity match from Mangs in the same vein but with random luck COs.
Four Grimms, one shooting everything in sight? That was very entertaining
Just a thought for casting. You could do warm and cool colors. So red / orange / yellow is one team and blue / green / purple could be the other. I do remember you mentioning some color blindness (apologies if I'm mistaken), and that could make that difficult. For you and any color blind viewers.
I'm now considering that might not be possible.
Now I want to see a Grimm v. Grimm match where both players have 4 comm towers.
you nay be surprised by the starting infrastructure
@@furiouscorgi6614
There are 2 on the map, I want to see 4 for each player, hence the comment.
Mainly because there would be no surviving any attack from the other player.
The best way you can cast a 2v2 is to set the teams to humans vs creatures. Humans can be any 2 teams that are similarly colored, Orange Star + Red Fire, or Grey Sky + Black Hole are good options. Creatures are Cobalt Ice + Silver Claw. This makes it easy enough to tell at a glance which team each player is on and distinguish teammates from each other.
it's soul 4 rent and alexis
Send help for me 😂 this game was a mess
This match is the AW equivalent of playing Unreal Tournament with the one shot rifle
Imagine how much he´d have donated if he picked Sensei or Hatchi :D
My idea for 2v2 colors is to do one team with creatures and the other with humans even though I know the inf and mech units aren't well loved.
For humans, Nohr Eclipse and maybe Grey Sky or Brown Desert and then Azure Asteroid and Silver Claw for creatures. Dark colors and humans are now one team. Lighter colors and creatures on the other team.
If you want to do like more visually similar color but slightly different, Red Fire and Pink Cosmos vs. Cobalt Ice and Blue Moon or Azure Asteroid. Reds vs Blues.
Ngl. Having both teams the same colors was more confusing than separate colors
My first thought seeing this video, Is there any unit in this match up that doesn't get oneshot?
This is getting out of hand, now there are four of them!
Grimm Guys and Girls Gregariously Grapple In A Garish But Grandiloquently Great Grimm Game.
Grim's worst enemy. Grim.
We do a little trolling - Kantbei
Grimm theme should be playing from four diffrent browser tabs for this game, every in another moment for better effect
The advance wars addiction continues
Someone should have changed the explosion sound of the red units being lost into the "ca-ching" sound.
For charity! So cute! A+ cause . Nice to have a social conscience
For future team games colours. What about blue moon + cobalt ice AND orange star+ red fire. Not same faction but same colours. Still Blue and Red.
I think that making the teams different countries but using similar colors could be a better solution, but looking at the options AWBW has it isn't that simple.
Making the teams same color facing opposite directions is fine, but if you wanna make things even clearer, you could edit the little infantry icons in the player card UI so they would also face to the correct directions. You could just copy, mirror, and paste the icons in an overlay and it should be fine and easy since the UI is completely stationary and has simple graphics. (edit. I noticed that the little coin in the unit value icon has a G in it that would get mirrored too, but who really cares)
Also AWBW, make a combined team UI for 2v2 matches. In addition of the normal player cards, make an additional card that has the combined stats for each team's units count, value and income.
AWBW should open a 2v2 std/fow ladder.
We are ALL Grimm on this blessed day!
What we always needed
This is 3v3 grim.
And this is to go beyond!
Ahhhhhhhhhh ...4free for all..
Kantbei deleting his units made my day
I'm curious as to how an Andy vs Grimm 1 vs 1 on a 3-base fog map with semi-useless harbors (you know the one where sometimes people build battleships to act as glorified rockets, but general don't use the naval units). On one hand, Grimm usually doesn't leave behind many injured units. On your turn you tend to blow up his units and on his turn, he tends to kill yours. That seems to leave very few injured units for Andy to use his Hyperupgrade. On the other hand, Andy is just an easier CO to use and his recons are more likely to survive letting him actually see.
Andy is hard countered by COs with high firepower. Max and Grimm are two of the worst matchups for him. Cant heal his units if they're all dead. Plus, in terms of air units, Grimm doesn't really care about defense and enjoys the extra power against Andy's copters.
@@raydespoir Yeah that sounds about right, you can't heal units that are dead. I'd still like to see Mangs cover a matchup like this someday. Grimm is the harder CO to play overall, but Andy doesn't like this matchup at all.
He goes he’s committing sudoku 😂 I think you mean seppuku
KNOW WHATS BETTER THAN FOURRRRR GRIMMS!? GRIMM GUYYYYY!!!!!
This looks Grimm
We neeed more mirror matches. No excuse for 'having the wrong/bad commander' - its all down to skill!
I can't agree with the same color thing because then it is hard to tell whose army is whose, and impossible to tell which properties are whose. You can find a happy medium by making the blue team two different shades of blue (say BM and Penguins) and the red team two different shades of red (OS and Red Fire).
I think its funny how most units at any point in the match have generally high health because every unit that doesn't just dies.
man, this really Grimms my guy
Still an insufficient amount of Grimms.
Thorgrim > 3 Grimm
Rebellion Saga confirmed!
Four Grimms, where the firepower is high and walls don't matter
"how grimm was it?" "Super Grimm"
Are there enough different flavors of red and blue that each team could have a dark/light variant of their respective colors?
This might be too much for me to handle
It's Grimmpage, they will Grimm all over the map.
the grimmes timeline
I wouldn't have been too put off to say $1 a unit. Most matches don't get close to 1 side losing 100. But also in regards to a personal expense in a charitable event a hundred or 200 bucks isn't too terrible. Made for some silliness though
he committed sudoku XD FFFFFFFFFF-
I don’t know the specifics of your colour-blindness, but would “hot” colours (e.g., Orange Star and Yellow Comet) work with “cold” colours (e.g., Blue Moon and Green Earth)?
Edit: assuming it’s Red-Green, could switch Green Earth for Black Hole or something. Still, left-and-right facing worked fine in this case.
this is a very grim match
Kantbei doesn’t need to build infantry if base skipping counts for donations, right?
Imagine if red team was sensei instead... so many units...
NOW WE NEED 4 GRIMMS FREE FOR ALL!
20:52 my guy only has 2 units 😮
Choose two colors that look the same for you for each team
It aint Grimm Guy but this kinda 'Grimm' Match i can get behind!!!
Whoops All Grimms!
that feels like when you play with Max and his +50% direct units power...
The Grimm Cup?
If you're going to have them facing left and right, would it be possible just to write on your stream/video next to each player which one they are? It's kind of hard to quickly commit to memory.
Kantbei is a troll? Uh, I played two games against him. One was where he had a one on one live match. A friendly one where he gave me some tips. The 2nd one is on live league and he played me seriously. I never knew he was a troll sometimes given how nice he was on the times we interacted.
OOPS! All Grimms!
a 2v2 tournament would be cool!
Fourgrimm's Rebellion
Grimmace shake when?
Worry not, King Fourgrimm!
I thought the units defense got so low that they started spontaneously combusting.