I agree with the sentiment because old heads gatekeep and treat people like shit, but I also think that it's incumbent on the employer to provide training from an actual trainer/educator. I didn't get hired to be a teacher, I got hired to be a doer. I'm not a good teacher or educator. That's a specific skill set that people go to school themselves to learn. Don't expect me to know how to effectively teach people because that's not what I was hired to do. Long story short, it's OK to not be good at teaching, but it's not OK to be an asshole about it to the new guy. It's not their fault, either. It's both of you vs management, not you vs the rookie.
Also Management: PM/Regional Manager: Train those new hands! Foreman/Welder/Engineer: Sure, whats my budget and timeline? PM/Regional Manager: hah your funny... you dont get one. Foreman/Welder/Engineer: then tough shiet
@@MarshallPatrickEveryone aint retarded just the beggars and the Neglectful. Since we wanna protray everyone born in the 40s-60s as some hard ass old fucks. Do "When the old head master rises from the grave." People born in the 1890s was there before welding and before they even had power. Let's hear what they got to say, aint no boomer need a hearing aid then. They always talked about how they got treated like second hand citizens until the fucking 80s. How can we bitch for 2 decades straight when half the people y'all complaining about wasn't even alive?
@@MarshallPatrickNow do "When the old head's master rises from the grave." Everyone born in the 40s thru 60s complained how they was treated like second hand citizens. Let's see it done to them, I don't like some plastic liner in my cokes either but dig ole great great grand dad up. Pop's forgot what its like to SIT DOWN!
@@Light_AssassianThis is literally a brilliant idea. Not just for welding--literally anything. To see some oldhead's master from 60 years ago come back and chew him out, then his master from the 1800s, etc etc.
He forgot to mention that the 82 hours straight was during a snowstorm in July and he was being attacked by wild badgers. He's just too humble to mention it.
I got a 21 year-old helper now. Had him for 2 months. To the point, I only give him 3 steps at a time literally. He messes up constantly and then tells me I didn't tell him. Today, I set up a camera with audio, and every time he'd tell me that i didn't tell him a step, I'd stop breakout the footage. Boy can't absorb and follow directions to save his life but can tell you everything that means nothing to nobody. He's definitely up in his Instagram and discord. Wtf is Discord?
As a welder, this is accurate. It's not even the physically old people, it's just a bunch of assholes. Some great people too, no doubt about it, but way too many who get butthurt when you admit you're new to the trades. "Why do you have to be trained?" "Because I don't know what you're running, what you're working on, or even what century that machine is from!"
This is what I was looking for...! I had a supervisor who claimed to be old-school but was just a raging alcoholic that screw up his life early on in life, this preventing career/wage progression and a functioning relationship with his baby mama and children. The actual elderly tradesmen are great, wise and actual elders. Just because someone is older than you doesn't make them an elder, smart, or good trainer. Under the guise of being "old school", they're literally just old little boys that want to haze younger people to pass on generational trauma of hardship. This isn't training. It's abuse and illegal for a reason.
Seen it so many times as a manager baby sitting prima donnas. It usually pans out like: The apprentice is an idiot. Why? They don't know anything. Yeah, that's why they're the apprentice. If they knew things I'd have them doing your job.
Same in the auto industry. Most of the "old" mechanics are so full of them. Now that I'm not that young anymore I can relate to some situations with some younger kids, but I'll never assume that my way of resolving problems is the best/only way. I have a theory... only those who didn't trained for a certain job and got into that job because couldn't do better are the most insufferable. The reality is that if you're good at something you'll never be afraid that someone else will take your job. I actually prefer working with people that are at least at my level. The work is soon much smoother and you can finish fater and much more relaxed. I also prefer training someone from 0 (if he is ready to put the effort) just because you don't have to undo some other bad habits.
Im a 22yo structural steel welder, ive met many middle aged men like the dude in the video. im grateful my 70 yo trainer is very kind and helpful despite being a hardass.
Treasure the guy, my mentor was very similar. Hard as a coffin nail, never molly coddled you but under the tough guy was a heart of gold, and he demonstrated it many times, but it was subtle.
I'm 23 in plumbing, started out under a 56yo ex crackhead with diabetes and chain-smoked cigarettes and joints, he was such a sour old bastard but he liked me and taught me almost everything I know, now I work with a 52 YO gym junkie and we get a 2 bath house done in 2-3 hours, them old guys will teach you everything if you're lucky lol
@@bigmak984Show them you won't quit and no matter what you want to learn as much as possible. Think of it like boot camp. If you earn that man's trust he will teach you things that no book, UA-cam video, or self taught trades man will ever know. Yes we are rough but we help mold you so when the world seems like it is falling apart, you will just laugh because you have been through worse.
My favorite of those was HR once rejected a guy for not having enough years of experience on a language which the applicant created. That's a thing which actually happened. He created it a year or two before and they wanted 5 years experience. It was a big meme about 15 years ago and a central talking point of HR being out of touch and out of control.
@@halycon404This is actually so common. Hr is used to all Jobs already existing, they never learned to refresh their knowledge and expectations. The World changes fast, faster than when they were trained. That leads to some unique problems XD
They'll pass him off to someone else to teach him and then the old guy will come over and start talking shit and giving tips after he wanted nothing to do with the kid. Then wonder why the new kid doesn't like him.
And they're the ones pissin' and moanin' about how the trade is dying "because new generations don't want to work" ... But I'm sure the younguns WOULD like to work if the old timers wouldn't ream their asses so hard every time a guy comes in on entry level. Everyone's fresh at one point. Gotta give some of 'em a chance. 🤷 But I get it though.
@@johnwayne3904 i tend to feel the old heads feel threatened by the young bucks, as once the young bucks get some knowledge under their belt, they believe they will be out the door, because of all the money they make and the vacation they accrue becomes a liability. The young buck can do same job for less paid vacation time and less money per hour, it is not rocket science what the beancounters are going to do.
Survive the hazing they do it on purpose, see what your worth first before giving any two cents....I agree with y'all but that's why it's a thing... A lot of people go into that trade and also leave that trade very fast it's a real mans job not for everyone
They just want the next generation to learn like they did. Pay attention and use your eyes. Think a little bit. Understand the next step before we get there. Be ready, willing and prepared. They will teach you, just not how your little algebra teacher would.
There's a difference though. The dudes like this in the video aren't hazing. They are just being ornery assholes. The 'kid' was willing to learn and had admitted he didn't know shit. If the 'kid' had acted like he was god's gift to the trades, sure, bring him down a peg or two, but don't EVER ruin someone who wants to be there. The 'old head' ought to be told to go fuck himself by the young dude and the boss ought to come over and tell him not to be such a prick to the folks that are actively trying to be good wprkers and learn.
I picked up my first broom in 1976. Graduated to a bag of nails and a hammer to beat closet drywall to death. Hated everything about the trade until i got strong enough to handle the boards. Quit 3 times. Went to a couple colleges to get that book learning. Ended up back in the trade. Finally decided to get serious about it. Was running work by 1988. Went out on my own in 1996. Still in business after 28 years. It's been a long haul. But worth it. Young guys, don't let the old timers give you shit. Tell them you want to learn something. If they can't be bothered, find someone else who will teach you something. Good luck. (And don't borrow their tools)
Great advice! Been teaching trade school for 22 years. Never seen it this bad. You might have 1 out 20 kids that actually want to learn. The others saw it on youtube so they already know. The parenting is not same so the will to learn is not the same. Some of parents I went to school with.
I'm a superintendent, literally had an old-timer trimmer last month go on a rant about how he can't find "good help", help willing to abandon their kids to learn a trade, the way he did... Brother seriously went on about how "I don't give a rat's ass about your kid being sick and needing to be picked up at school, get a woman for THAT..." Hilarity ensued...
that there is the attitude that made america great, men did man shit women did the woman shit and we stayed in our lanes complementing and helping eachother
These are the people that will later on complain that the younger generation doesn’t want to work in the trades and complain about why don’t you know anything yet like if they didn’t get taught but they realize that if they do teach us we’re going to pass them up so fast that they know that they’re going to end up getting laid off or fired
I've been a licensed plumber for over twenty years now, and this crap is cringe. I get great joy out of teaching young bloods. It is awesome watching them learn and then become more and more confident in themselves and their abilities. These old gatekeepers can't age out fast enough, in my opinion.
@@jrdnwhtny1This. This right here just shows how uneducated y'all are about the intricacies of the plumbing trade. You forgot, "Hot on the left, cold on the right" lol
The trades are fucked .... 9 out of 10 The school is just teaching you the basics just enough so you can pay the tuition for the next 20 years..... What we really need are apprentice programs. We need old school skilled craftsman to teach and mentor the next generation...... Skilled craftsman are dying breed Just look at the new million dollar houses and tell me how well they're built.....
Welll....there are apprenticeships still? I'm in one right now for tool and die but I'm changing into a CNC machining apprentice instead. Also the apprenticeship pays for college classes that are definitely more than just the basics. I learned how to use solidworks to design parts, how to run a whole bunch of different machines, etc from the classes already.
@jacknife TV. Well I think a lot of old-school craftsman and quality workmen get run off by the greed con omy. That's why lots of home construction these days is subpar. Gotta make those big big profits at the top and can't do that without underpaying your workers and cutting corners in construction and materials. Quality craftsman and honest workers don't last long on jobsites like that. They find it hard to operate in that atmosphere.
join a union dont go to trade school. a union will pay you to go to school for a week every few months you make good money with benefits that follow you not the contractor you work for. there is so much demand for hands in all the trade union that if you dont like your boss you can drag up and be on another job the next day. you dont have to file applications just put your name on the list. the real hidden cherry on top is the fact you can collect unemployment for 6 months of the year with zero hassle you just collect a check every week unlike the normies who have to send out job applications to beg for the money they already gave to the goverment via taxes. so you work shitloads of overtime when the weather is nice then take off at the end of the job. go on a trip while on unemployment its the best just keep your finances in control when bringing in the massive overtime checks resist the urge to buy that new car or truck and it comes out pretty sweet
Way too relatable. This old timer in land management hired me to be his helper once. I warned him way before that that I had zero experience, zero experience, doing his sort of work and that I wanted to learn. He said he would teach me. But the dude had no chill despite my warning. Any time I asked him a question he'd act like I struck a nerve. He'd ask me to do stuff I had never done before and when I said I didn't know how, he'd get mad. He unironically expected me to know how to manage half a fucking ranch on my own without assistance after just one week of "training", and legit almost had a mental breakdown when I tried to explain to him that that I wasn't ready for that yet. Why are they like this?
Because they've been doing it so long, they're out of touch with what its like to have never done it before. Had that problem myself in a different field, then I learned some perspective.
To add to the other comment: people who had great teacher very early gained their knowledge in way so frictionless that they often didn't notice the whol teaching process. Hence the "Taught? I always knew this!" bullcrap.
Probably thought you grew up on a farm. Might have been ready with that experience, some is intuitive, but what to file where. When to take cows to an area. Depends on the ranch but somethings you don't even think about knowing until they come up.
As an Old Head, yeah, I used to see stuff like this. It irritated me to no end. Dude can't learn if nobody will teach him, which is why I became a trainer in the first place. Yeah, it's frustrating to train someone who knows nothing about the field, and it takes a lot of patience and time. It's worth it. If you're an old salt, don't be this guy. Remember, most of these kids didn't have a daddy to teach them *anything* and even if they did, daddy *still* didn't teach them anything. But if you ever want to get the chance to not have to do all the scutwork crank jobs, you gotta teach them so THEY can start and take over while you take it easier. It's legit in your best interest to teach them! Edit: Also, if I was dickheads foreman (which I would be), he'd be telling a recruiter just how much he can do, because he wouldn't be working for me with that attitude.
Older Generations- “You can’t teach these youngsters mutton” Younger Generations- “Can you teach me about what you know “ Older Generations- “ Get away from me”
@@localppc242Huh ? Really? I am on my 26 and I do not claim to know everything. Not that I do feel special even with my degree of mechanical engineering. I also bit overprotected and inexperienced which I worry I might not much of help or being a weight to people around me. Its feel awful lot when you are an adult but your mind is nit there yet.
I actually do wonder where we'll be as a society in a few decades when the younger generations have been shamed out of learning these trades, and these self-righteous older generations have retired or left the mortal plain. SOMEONE has to do the labor of building and maintaining our infrastructure. I've seen this mentality so many times and it drives me nuts every time lol
old guys are like that because they have been treated like shit their whole lives, building trades suck' still treating people like dog shit and hiring illegals
Everybody talking about gatekeeping, but i just recently went from working in the nursing field to at 30 years old working for a pipe laying and excavation company and literally every single person young to old has been helpful and teaching me. Bunch of old farmer operators even had me in a skid loader the whole day yesterday working and teaching me how to use it while im just a laboror. Maybe people are just nicer in nebraska but people have been nothing but nice to me.
I gotta say I am envious of you. If folks in construction treated me like that, I woulda never left. Loved the trades, but everyone in them around here is like the old head in this video. And they ain't just wicked to the new guy.
When I was in the US Army, before I went Le Legion Etrangere, and so on, there as this old Korean War vet who was still in the Army, in the 90s. His name was MW5 Whitaker, and I loved him to death. He would smoke cigars on the flight-line, and nobody ever told him to stop. He would say things like, "When I was back riding with General Custer, we never had any of this fancy rations we got now. You guys are so soft." I once asked him why is he still in when he ought to be retired, and he said, "Son, I've got three ex-wives; I ain't getting out of this man's Army unless I defect to North Korea."
@@ianbatey3425 I don't mind. Basically, I think it was because I wanted to come home. Both sides of my family are ethnically French; my Dad's side, from my Great-Grandfather, came over here after spending all four years on the Western Front in the Great War. My mother's side, from her father (my grandfather) came over here after the Second World War, having lived under German occupation. But, I still have family in France. There were other reasons. I always felt more at home here than I ever did in the States. One thing I always hear from Americans who come to Europe (or, heck, anywhere) is that they feel this weight lift off their chest, like they feel far less oppressed. One of the reasons I joined the Legion was because I had enough of the whole American thing. Europeans, after two world wars, don't make everything political. At least, not until recently. I joined the Legion because I didn't want to go to college, because I hated school, and I wanted to emigrate. I had some advantages; I already knew the language pretty well, and I love France. I had a stronger bond with my fellow legionnaires than I ever had with my fellow US Army soldiers. We had fun. After, I became a commercial pilot. Renouncing American citizenship was an exercise in getting fleeced. It wasn't enough to pay your taxes, which was expected. They charged me $2,399.00 for leaving.
@@petlahk4119 No. If you serve honorably for five years, they will offer you French citizenship; they don't automatically make you one. You can be a dual citizen, but that's complicated, and I do not know how the taxes work for that. However, if you choose to renounce your citizenship of a country, you have to be able to do it while having citizenship in another. France gave me a three month leeway to renounce American citizenship to make sure my affairs were in order. When you renounce, you should be in the country to where you are going to be a citizen of, and so I had to go to the American Embassy in Paris to do that. They process the forms, you turn in your passport, and they go over your fees and whatever taxes you owe (I owed nothing, having been in the Legion for eleven years). I suppose it's like this for every country, but the American Embassy folks were trying to dissuade me from leaving, which is why they charged me one hefty fee for leaving. Because nobody leaves the "greatest country on Earth." So much for being the "land of the free."
Perfect example of "can't get job without experience, but experience get's you a job or something " 😂😂 this is why nobody can get in the trades or why trades have low numbers of tradesmen.
Kids these days are too busy in the phones or complaining to put in the time to learn. Pathetic examples of adults so....GO work at stargrips or convenience store and leave real work to real MEN!!!! Name says it all!! Clean up on aisle 9...gtfo
It's classic gatekeeping. 4 years later, Young Buck: I now have a diploma/degree in welding, can I get hired for welding now? Old Buck: Sorry, you don't have experience in welding, practical welding in school doesn't count! No job for you, bye bye! 😈 Before you invest your Valuable years, money, energy in school/college, make sure you can get an internship/helper (job experience) first and that you Actually want to work in that field!
Old heads know all the tricks. Like how to brag or complain about what they do for half their shift while still convincing boss they been busy all day. As the new guy in multiple companies who now knows multiple trades well enough to rarely pay anyone else to do anything for me I can say without a doubt one thing and one thing only. Biggest threat to the old head is the new guy finding where they nap on the clock.
@@MarshallPatrick I’ve seen it work before, not sure why though, idk if you can personally message other creators on here? Or maybe it’s because of the spaces in his channel name
Omg that old timer is definitely my dad! He is always talking about the new guys at his work not knowing how to do anything and how he has to fix their mistakes.
"damn dad, you must have been the perfect employee when you started. knowing everything and how to do work perfectly so that no one had to correct any of your mistakes."
@@jetah50 amazing how "dad" forgets he was once the new kid on the block at 1 time and the old heads thought the same thing about him, not knowing how to do anything
Crusty old Navy welder who could seriously weld anything to anything taught me. I was already in the trades (auto tech) but he seemed happy that a young kid wanted to learn. Hell of a teacher, too.
That’s only the shitty people brother, get into welding while you have the excuse that you haven’t learned yet. Some people are more than willing to teach. None of these old guys want to see the art form lost, they just don’t trust the new generation to hold the standards as high.
@@Weldoholic With you all the way. I actually love welding but I’m just a hobby guy. I’ve had similarly hard old timers during my early days in my actual profession. They’re usually sweethearts once you show them you’re not ‘that guy’.
"Hey Chet, this is Bob, he'd completely green and knows nothing. We decided your the most experienced and therefore most likely to be the best teacher." "K" "So where would you like me to start sir?" "WHAT THE HELL YUR AKKIN MEH FER! IHY TEH HELL YOU NOT KNEW NUTTIN GUD FER NUTTIN!" "The fuck dude.
Old dude is mad he didn't get an education and taking it out on someone who got one. Refuses to pass off the knowledge to help them continue the trades.
Learned from a shipyard worker, who was eager to teach someone that wanted to learn and would listen and not interrupt. Fast forward 16years and now when i teach someone one thing, they assume they are so good that they dont want to hear me talk or point out their mistakes. So i will say, good help is getting harder to find.
Fitter turner tradesman here, when I was fresh yeah the first year was a bit tough. But once I earned the respect of the old dudes and genuinely showed I wanted to learn they were awesome. They tought me all kinds of tricks that I never learned at the trade school night classes during my trade. Its like if you prove your a good one, they actually want to see you succeed then and are great!
I had a job truck driving and occasionally, we'd have to do teams. I got stuck with a dude almost exactly like this... he was upset because I only had three years experience. Bruh... I'm sorry I was born in 1996 and I'm only 26 years old?? Like... wtf do want from me lol I had to listen to this fuggin guy from Atlanta allll the way to Provo.
I have an old head coworker who's a lot like this. I don't have a company van, but he does, and we live super close so I ride with him a lot to save gas. After an hour-long drive once where he was talking the whole time and I got in maybe 30 words, I learned to make a comment that'll push his buttons and get him going, then zone him out with the occasional "Yep, uh-huh" and he won't realize I'm mentally checked out lol
Gotta love when none of the older folks are willing to help. If you ask them a question they act dumb and go on their way, or sometimes, instead of telling you they completely take over and do your job for you then go and complain how they can't get anything done because everyone else is so needy. Like mf, i didn't ask you to come over here and do my job. You just had to tell a simple stright forward answer that would've taken like 2 seconds.
This hits the nail on the head. These dudes are great at what they do but also what killed the trades. You gotta have the intangibles that get a person that hates people to take interest in you before they'll give you the time of day
I've got a close relative who was a welder. When he started his second job, the old heads welded a monkey tail and hooked it on the back of his britches when he wasn't paying attention.
I work with a guy like this. Talks about how he's done everything, he can weld anything, he's one of the best welders out there. Except he's only 45, he's been doing this since he was 25, and he's had "so many jobs" cause he kept getting fired from the decent ones and finally found our shop where he can scrape the bottom of the skill barrel and stay employed while taking his 14 smoke breaks every day.
I don't want to teach these new guys!!! why don't these new guys know anything!!!! Then when the kid finally teaches himself somethings and starts shaping up that old head is gonna be like yup that's my trainee I am dam proud.
As someone in this industry, I've encountered too many guys like this. And i appreciate every one, learned amazing things from these guys when you show them you want to learn.
In my experience as long as you show them respect, keep your mouth closed, and listen they will take a "liking" to ya and teach you as much as you can learn
@@davyboy9397dunno, in my experience when you don't buy them beer and talk about how great they are, they start getting uppity sometimes violent. Who the hell are you even?
People acting like millionaires trying to protect their IP. Life is about sharing, from the craddle to the grave. Humility and friendlyness goes a long way.
So accurate. Idk how many welders bragged about dropping out in jr high or high school and how they make more than engineers lol. Yeah engineers also home nights and weekends as youre home 4 weeks a year
4 years later, Young Buck: I now have a diploma/degree in welding, can I get hired for welding now? Old Buck: Sorry, you don't have experience in welding, practical welding in school doesn't count! No job for you, bye bye! 😈 Before you invest your Valuable years, money, energy in school/college, make sure you can get an internship/helper (job experience) first and that you Actually want to work in that field!
I met this guy when trying to study a bioengineering masters. Needless too say I dropped out. The year before everybody in that program dropped out. What a delight of a person.
Every workplace got the old fart been there since before the place opened been doing the job since god was a boy totally unwilling to help out the new hires and trust me, I was kinda like that at one point 😂😂
I feel like I need to push a broom after talking to you 😂😂😂😂 How many times I've talked to people under me at work and felt infinitely dumber just by them opening their mouth!
@@lukemeck I'm saying that if your team under you are constantly making the same mistakes and doing dumb things so that you constantly feel like they're stupid, it sounds like you're not giving them the tools necessary and are constantly asking things of them that you haven't taught them. I'm talking about trades here, working a pencil pushing job it might be different but if I had a bunch of guys that were constantly making my jobs harder not easier then I wouldn't employ them but that would be an indictment on me as much as them.
@@bencheevers6693Yep,if you feel stupid after talking to another person you arent as smart as you think. I think people who do things for a ling time get tunnel vision and forget to be grateful for the dumb little stuff that in their mind "they.always knew" nope....you learned it somewhere you ungrateful bastard and you forgot who taught it to you,making you the stupid one because that means you stumbled along like an idiot until you grasped the knowledge rather than paying attention to the teacher and remembering their name and the moment the lightbulb clicked on. So if you are a leader and surrounded by idiots, take a look in the mirror asshole.
Started my apprenticeship at the age of 26, never laid a bead in my life but had an absolute mad dog of a leading hand who never even asked me to push a broom. I'll be qualified next year 💪
I dropped out of school after third grade and started working at farm so I could buy a tool belt and Estwing hammer to become a carpenter. Got my first carpentry job with a general contractor at about 17 years old in 1998. My first bosses favorite word was “unfuckingbelievable”. Worst boss ever. Since then, I’ve worked as a carpenter, cabinet maker, fireplace installer & service tech, HVAC service tech, water softener service tech. I’ve build houses in three states. I built custom kitchens and installed them in $10 million homes in Santa Barbara. I worked on the fireplaces in the house next-door to Bill Gates’s in the Yellowstone club in Montana. I moved back to Wisconsin to start my own home repair and service tech business and have been growing it for 10 years now. I started a woodshop and became a manufacturer. Started buying fixing and selling direct drive ski boats. Always hated being called a handyman so now I don’t even work on houses. I just buy sell and repair lawn and garden equipment. Deliver food part time for Italian restaurant. I do what I want! Doesn’t matter what I do or who I work for whether it’s myself or not I will never forget the assholes that acted like that guy in the video that are too good to teach somebody how to do the job. It’s guys like that that make work in the trades suck and it’s guys like that that are creating the shortage of skilled workers because they got their head so far up their ass thinking that if they train a guy he’s gonna take their job. It’s a funny video, but it’s all too true.
My favorite so far. I was the kid and did just like this, got a job at a welding shop to see if it was for me. You make that guy an alcoholic with 2 ex wives and it is spot on. I ate about 3 weeks of their self loathing and never looked back.
Never understood that. Now some consider me an old head, and i try, REALLY TRY to take new young guys under my wing to teach them right. Unfortunately i get disappointed SO MUCH with so many of these younger guys. I keep telling myself to not get jaded and become old assholes like this guy, and i havent YET. But it sure is hard....
I just started a new career working as a Water Operator Trainee for my city. The older guys are cool, until you mess up, or your inexperience shows. It's the end of my 1st month 😅
old heads: *hates training the new guys*
also old heads: “Nobody wants to work anymore 😡”
I agree with the sentiment because old heads gatekeep and treat people like shit, but I also think that it's incumbent on the employer to provide training from an actual trainer/educator. I didn't get hired to be a teacher, I got hired to be a doer. I'm not a good teacher or educator. That's a specific skill set that people go to school themselves to learn. Don't expect me to know how to effectively teach people because that's not what I was hired to do.
Long story short, it's OK to not be good at teaching, but it's not OK to be an asshole about it to the new guy. It's not their fault, either. It's both of you vs management, not you vs the rookie.
because he's getting paid the same as you still lol
@@jamescheddar4896most likely less. Old heads get boned by their employers and still act grateful for the job.
Also Management:
PM/Regional Manager: Train those new hands!
Foreman/Welder/Engineer: Sure, whats my budget and timeline?
PM/Regional Manager: hah your funny... you dont get one.
Foreman/Welder/Engineer: then tough shiet
@@spikereynolds8615 old heads need to learn how to haggle better
Then he'll go: "These kids nowadays dont want to learn nuttin'. Can't teach them to hold their peter at a urinal."
Facts! Dumb as a box of rocks! 😂
@@MarshallPatrickEveryone aint retarded just the beggars and the Neglectful. Since we wanna protray everyone born in the 40s-60s as some hard ass old fucks. Do "When the old head master rises from the grave." People born in the 1890s was there before welding and before they even had power. Let's hear what they got to say, aint no boomer need a hearing aid then. They always talked about how they got treated like second hand citizens until the fucking 80s. How can we bitch for 2 decades straight when half the people y'all complaining about wasn't even alive?
@@MarshallPatrickNow do "When the old head's master rises from the grave." Everyone born in the 40s thru 60s complained how they was treated like second hand citizens. Let's see it done to them, I don't like some plastic liner in my cokes either but dig ole great great grand dad up. Pop's forgot what its like to SIT DOWN!
wait.... nut goes in the urinal?
@@Light_AssassianThis is literally a brilliant idea. Not just for welding--literally anything. To see some oldhead's master from 60 years ago come back and chew him out, then his master from the 1800s, etc etc.
He forgot to mention that the 82 hours straight was during a snowstorm in July and he was being attacked by wild badgers. He's just too humble to mention it.
That's a good one man
He’s a modest man. No need to resort to bragging. 😂
Grump Pah
Don't forget that the snowstorm took out all the power..... but it still didn't stop him.
His time is valuable!
Old heads gatekeep the trades then get mad there's no workers.
Gatekeeper
Those who can’t gate keep themselves.
And blame the people they see who been done manning up while they been busy gettin woke
@fastinradfordable Yeah, sure, buddy. You're so manily.
@@fastinradfordableI bet you're so manly your burps smell like sharts
I got a 21 year-old helper now. Had him for 2 months. To the point, I only give him 3 steps at a time literally. He messes up constantly and then tells me I didn't tell him. Today, I set up a camera with audio, and every time he'd tell me that i didn't tell him a step, I'd stop breakout the footage. Boy can't absorb and follow directions to save his life but can tell you everything that means nothing to nobody. He's definitely up in his Instagram and discord. Wtf is Discord?
@fastinradfordable hey just so you know. The same union worker gatekeeping trolls vote 'D' just like the woke newbies...let that sink in...
As a welder, this is accurate. It's not even the physically old people, it's just a bunch of assholes. Some great people too, no doubt about it, but way too many who get butthurt when you admit you're new to the trades.
"Why do you have to be trained?"
"Because I don't know what you're running, what you're working on, or even what century that machine is from!"
This is what I was looking for...! I had a supervisor who claimed to be old-school but was just a raging alcoholic that screw up his life early on in life, this preventing career/wage progression and a functioning relationship with his baby mama and children. The actual elderly tradesmen are great, wise and actual elders. Just because someone is older than you doesn't make them an elder, smart, or good trainer. Under the guise of being "old school", they're literally just old little boys that want to haze younger people to pass on generational trauma of hardship.
This isn't training. It's abuse and illegal for a reason.
Seen it so many times as a manager baby sitting prima donnas. It usually pans out like:
The apprentice is an idiot.
Why?
They don't know anything.
Yeah, that's why they're the apprentice. If they knew things I'd have them doing your job.
Same in the auto industry. Most of the "old" mechanics are so full of them. Now that I'm not that young anymore I can relate to some situations with some younger kids, but I'll never assume that my way of resolving problems is the best/only way. I have a theory... only those who didn't trained for a certain job and got into that job because couldn't do better are the most insufferable. The reality is that if you're good at something you'll never be afraid that someone else will take your job. I actually prefer working with people that are at least at my level. The work is soon much smoother and you can finish fater and much more relaxed. I also prefer training someone from 0 (if he is ready to put the effort) just because you don't have to undo some other bad habits.
@@JSmith19858 Exactly lmao
its great when trades blend. this one took me back
Kid : "Hi, I want to learn"
Elder : "Fuck off I am not your teacher!"
The same elder later in the day : "Why don't these kids know anything?!"
@MrJustonemorevoice just because someone is older. Does not make them an elder. Someone like you described sure as hell isn't any elder of mine.
Perfect summation.
Even entering the trades in your 40's, the old guys still treat you like you're 18.
Massive egos and chips on shoulders.
Im a 22yo structural steel welder, ive met many middle aged men like the dude in the video. im grateful my 70 yo trainer is very kind and helpful despite being a hardass.
Treasure the guy, my mentor was very similar.
Hard as a coffin nail, never molly coddled you but under the tough guy was a heart of gold, and he demonstrated it many times, but it was subtle.
@@deezelfairy Best guys to learn from.
I’m about to go into trade school for weldin and this is the part of trades I’m not excited for
I'm 23 in plumbing, started out under a 56yo ex crackhead with diabetes and chain-smoked cigarettes and joints, he was such a sour old bastard but he liked me and taught me almost everything I know, now I work with a 52 YO gym junkie and we get a 2 bath house done in 2-3 hours, them old guys will teach you everything if you're lucky lol
@@bigmak984Show them you won't quit and no matter what you want to learn as much as possible. Think of it like boot camp. If you earn that man's trust he will teach you things that no book, UA-cam video, or self taught trades man will ever know. Yes we are rough but we help mold you so when the world seems like it is falling apart, you will just laugh because you have been through worse.
This must be the blue collar answer to "3 years experience on software that launches next week".
Yeah pretty much.
My favorite of those was HR once rejected a guy for not having enough years of experience on a language which the applicant created. That's a thing which actually happened. He created it a year or two before and they wanted 5 years experience. It was a big meme about 15 years ago and a central talking point of HR being out of touch and out of control.
12 years of experience for intern position
@@halycon404This is actually so common. Hr is used to all Jobs already existing, they never learned to refresh their knowledge and expectations. The World changes fast, faster than when they were trained. That leads to some unique problems XD
yep
They'll pass him off to someone else to teach him and then the old guy will come over and start talking shit and giving tips after he wanted nothing to do with the kid. Then wonder why the new kid doesn't like him.
I worked with a welder back in the 70s that said he he could weld anything from the crack of dawn to a broken heart always made me snicker! Good dude
That's a good one.
He couldn’t touch todays broke hearts
😭
That's awesome. Ima use that one😂
I feel like there’s a whole class on slick things to say while I’m welding school.
Eggshells to spiderwebs…….heard em all
That skit so dam correct, when People just want to learn, the old farts don't want pass on the Knowlege.
And they're the ones pissin' and moanin' about how the trade is dying "because new generations don't want to work" ... But I'm sure the younguns WOULD like to work if the old timers wouldn't ream their asses so hard every time a guy comes in on entry level. Everyone's fresh at one point. Gotta give some of 'em a chance. 🤷
But I get it though.
@@johnwayne3904 i tend to feel the old heads feel threatened by the young bucks, as once the young bucks get some knowledge under their belt, they believe they will be out the door, because of all the money they make and the vacation they accrue becomes a liability. The young buck can do same job for less paid vacation time and less money per hour, it is not rocket science what the beancounters are going to do.
Survive the hazing they do it on purpose, see what your worth first before giving any two cents....I agree with y'all but that's why it's a thing... A lot of people go into that trade and also leave that trade very fast it's a real mans job not for everyone
They just want the next generation to learn like they did. Pay attention and use your eyes. Think a little bit. Understand the next step before we get there. Be ready, willing and prepared. They will teach you, just not how your little algebra teacher would.
There's a difference though. The dudes like this in the video aren't hazing. They are just being ornery assholes. The 'kid' was willing to learn and had admitted he didn't know shit. If the 'kid' had acted like he was god's gift to the trades, sure, bring him down a peg or two, but don't EVER ruin someone who wants to be there. The 'old head' ought to be told to go fuck himself by the young dude and the boss ought to come over and tell him not to be such a prick to the folks that are actively trying to be good wprkers and learn.
I picked up my first broom in 1976. Graduated to a bag of nails and a hammer to beat closet drywall to death. Hated everything about the trade until i got strong enough to handle the boards. Quit 3 times. Went to a couple colleges to get that book learning. Ended up back in the trade. Finally decided to get serious about it. Was running work by 1988. Went out on my own in 1996. Still in business after 28 years. It's been a long haul. But worth it.
Young guys, don't let the old timers give you shit. Tell them you want to learn something. If they can't be bothered, find someone else who will teach you something. Good luck.
(And don't borrow their tools)
Hell yeah!
I second all of that!
This comment gave me hope. I quit too easily. I’m glad to see it’s not too late
Great advice! Been teaching trade school for 22 years. Never seen it this bad. You might have 1 out 20 kids that actually want to learn. The others saw it on youtube so they already know. The parenting is not same so the will to learn is not the same. Some of parents I went to school with.
I'm a superintendent, literally had an old-timer trimmer last month go on a rant about how he can't find "good help", help willing to abandon their kids to learn a trade, the way he did...
Brother seriously went on about how "I don't give a rat's ass about your kid being sick and needing to be picked up at school, get a woman for THAT..."
Hilarity ensued...
Did you set them straight ?
that there is the attitude that made america great, men did man shit women did the woman shit and we stayed in our lanes complementing and helping eachother
"That's woman's work." Cotton Hill
@@asdfberfte4298 Tried... THAT is the aforementioned "hilarity"... it'll be a month or more before he talks to me again, I'm sure.
@@dfreeman16s If your woman isn’t working, it sure as hell is her work.
"You know what I'm telling you?" No sir i don't; trying to learn
"I know you're not telling me how to weld"
“No, explains it to me”
And when they don’t that means they don’t either.
Thank you for unlocking my young adult trauma. I worked with that guy.
We all did at some point.
Saaaaaame, man. I learned what kind of man I didnt want to become someday
@@Scientist_SalarianSame
Everyone in the trades has worked with that guy.
They don't realize that the younger generation is the future of construction
To self centered to realize anything about the younger generation. Or anything about the generation before them for that matter
No, they realize it but they just dont care.
Ya'll think boomers care? Lol
@@sepg5084 no. Its why they must be punished
These are the people that will later on complain that the younger generation doesn’t want to work in the trades and complain about why don’t you know anything yet like if they didn’t get taught but they realize that if they do teach us we’re going to pass them up so fast that they know that they’re going to end up getting laid off or fired
I've been a licensed plumber for over twenty years now, and this crap is cringe. I get great joy out of teaching young bloods. It is awesome watching them learn and then become more and more confident in themselves and their abilities. These old gatekeepers can't age out fast enough, in my opinion.
Well, to be fair, you only need to tell them shit water runs downhill.
No that’s not true. Everyone knows plumbers need to know three things. Don’t bite your fingernails, shit rolls downhill and payday is on Friday
@@jrdnwhtny1This. This right here just shows how uneducated y'all are about the intricacies of the plumbing trade. You forgot, "Hot on the left, cold on the right" lol
The trades are fucked .... 9 out of 10 The school is just teaching you the basics just enough so you can pay the tuition for the next 20 years.....
What we really need are apprentice programs. We need old school skilled craftsman to teach and mentor the next generation...... Skilled craftsman are dying breed Just look at the new million dollar houses and tell me how well they're built.....
Welll....there are apprenticeships still? I'm in one right now for tool and die but I'm changing into a CNC machining apprentice instead. Also the apprenticeship pays for college classes that are definitely more than just the basics. I learned how to use solidworks to design parts, how to run a whole bunch of different machines, etc from the classes already.
@@armorers_wrench"BUT WHAT CAN YOU WIEEELLDDD!?!?"
@jacknife TV. Well I think a lot of old-school craftsman and quality workmen get run off by the greed con omy. That's why lots of home construction these days is subpar. Gotta make those big big profits at the top and can't do that without underpaying your workers and cutting corners in construction and materials. Quality craftsman and honest workers don't last long on jobsites like that. They find it hard to operate in that atmosphere.
apprentice programs are fuxed too
join a union dont go to trade school. a union will pay you to go to school for a week every few months you make good money with benefits that follow you not the contractor you work for. there is so much demand for hands in all the trade union that if you dont like your boss you can drag up and be on another job the next day. you dont have to file applications just put your name on the list. the real hidden cherry on top is the fact you can collect unemployment for 6 months of the year with zero hassle you just collect a check every week unlike the normies who have to send out job applications to beg for the money they already gave to the goverment via taxes. so you work shitloads of overtime when the weather is nice then take off at the end of the job. go on a trip while on unemployment its the best just keep your finances in control when bringing in the massive overtime checks resist the urge to buy that new car or truck and it comes out pretty sweet
😂😂😂😂 Nothing better then finishing long day of work and finally sitting down and be surprised with a new video.
Way too relatable. This old timer in land management hired me to be his helper once. I warned him way before that that I had zero experience, zero experience, doing his sort of work and that I wanted to learn. He said he would teach me. But the dude had no chill despite my warning. Any time I asked him a question he'd act like I struck a nerve. He'd ask me to do stuff I had never done before and when I said I didn't know how, he'd get mad. He unironically expected me to know how to manage half a fucking ranch on my own without assistance after just one week of "training", and legit almost had a mental breakdown when I tried to explain to him that that I wasn't ready for that yet. Why are they like this?
Because they've been doing it so long, they're out of touch with what its like to have never done it before. Had that problem myself in a different field, then I learned some perspective.
To add to the other comment: people who had great teacher very early gained their knowledge in way so frictionless that they often didn't notice the whol teaching process. Hence the "Taught? I always knew this!" bullcrap.
Probably thought you grew up on a farm.
Might have been ready with that experience, some is intuitive, but what to file where. When to take cows to an area. Depends on the ranch but somethings you don't even think about knowing until they come up.
As an Old Head, yeah, I used to see stuff like this. It irritated me to no end. Dude can't learn if nobody will teach him, which is why I became a trainer in the first place. Yeah, it's frustrating to train someone who knows nothing about the field, and it takes a lot of patience and time. It's worth it.
If you're an old salt, don't be this guy. Remember, most of these kids didn't have a daddy to teach them *anything* and even if they did, daddy *still* didn't teach them anything. But if you ever want to get the chance to not have to do all the scutwork crank jobs, you gotta teach them so THEY can start and take over while you take it easier. It's legit in your best interest to teach them!
Edit: Also, if I was dickheads foreman (which I would be), he'd be telling a recruiter just how much he can do, because he wouldn't be working for me with that attitude.
Older Generations- “You can’t teach these youngsters mutton”
Younger Generations- “Can you teach me about what you know “
Older Generations- “ Get away from me”
" I ain't got time to baby sit!"
Where are you finding these youngters? Im with one right now that claims to know to everything.... on my third one this year. Send me some of them.
@@localppc242I’m eager to learn and never think I’m better than those with experience
@@localppc242Huh ? Really? I am on my 26 and I do not claim to know everything. Not that I do feel special even with my degree of mechanical engineering. I also bit overprotected and inexperienced which I worry I might not much of help or being a weight to people around me. Its feel awful lot when you are an adult but your mind is nit there yet.
Dude should have said "Oh yeah? That sounds real cool. Can you show me?" over and over again lol.
just passed my level 1 weld inspector theory exam today. Def gay
Haha congrats!
Awesome! Get it!
Definitely gay
😂😂😂
I've been looking at welds since before you were born.
I actually do wonder where we'll be as a society in a few decades when the younger generations have been shamed out of learning these trades, and these self-righteous older generations have retired or left the mortal plain. SOMEONE has to do the labor of building and maintaining our infrastructure. I've seen this mentality so many times and it drives me nuts every time lol
This was barely even an option to learn in my highschool and that was over a decade ago. I doubt it’s gotten any better
Illegals got that covered
old guys are like that because they have been treated like shit their whole lives, building trades suck' still treating people like dog shit and hiring illegals
@@cawbaird5711yeah almost like corporations have incentives to not train us citizens in these fields 🤔
Train a citizen and pay him 7.25 or an illegal who will gladly take $5 or less??
I like the old heads that go "I see myself at your age, lemme show ya somethin"
Everybody talking about gatekeeping, but i just recently went from working in the nursing field to at 30 years old working for a pipe laying and excavation company and literally every single person young to old has been helpful and teaching me. Bunch of old farmer operators even had me in a skid loader the whole day yesterday working and teaching me how to use it while im just a laboror. Maybe people are just nicer in nebraska but people have been nothing but nice to me.
I travel quite extensively in my field. People in Nebraska are most definitely nicer! 👍
I gotta say I am envious of you. If folks in construction treated me like that, I woulda never left. Loved the trades, but everyone in them around here is like the old head in this video. And they ain't just wicked to the new guy.
Old heads: refuse to train young men and set them up for failiure so they are fired.
Also old heads: Who will pay taxes for my social security now?
That is why we have to train and educate the young bloods, we can’t do this forever. A lot of the trades forget some one taught them
Average day in dwarven society.
Greenbeard meets Greybeard.
ROCK. AND. STOOOONNNE!!
"These kids don't wanna work no more!"
When I was in the US Army, before I went Le Legion Etrangere, and so on, there as this old Korean War vet who was still in the Army, in the 90s. His name was MW5 Whitaker, and I loved him to death. He would smoke cigars on the flight-line, and nobody ever told him to stop. He would say things like, "When I was back riding with General Custer, we never had any of this fancy rations we got now. You guys are so soft." I once asked him why is he still in when he ought to be retired, and he said, "Son, I've got three ex-wives; I ain't getting out of this man's Army unless I defect to North Korea."
Why did you join the legion? if you don't mind me asking.
I would love to hear your story
@@ianbatey3425 I don't mind. Basically, I think it was because I wanted to come home.
Both sides of my family are ethnically French; my Dad's side, from my Great-Grandfather, came over here after spending all four years on the Western Front in the Great War. My mother's side, from her father (my grandfather) came over here after the Second World War, having lived under German occupation. But, I still have family in France.
There were other reasons. I always felt more at home here than I ever did in the States. One thing I always hear from Americans who come to Europe (or, heck, anywhere) is that they feel this weight lift off their chest, like they feel far less oppressed. One of the reasons I joined the Legion was because I had enough of the whole American thing. Europeans, after two world wars, don't make everything political. At least, not until recently.
I joined the Legion because I didn't want to go to college, because I hated school, and I wanted to emigrate. I had some advantages; I already knew the language pretty well, and I love France. I had a stronger bond with my fellow legionnaires than I ever had with my fellow US Army soldiers. We had fun.
After, I became a commercial pilot.
Renouncing American citizenship was an exercise in getting fleeced. It wasn't enough to pay your taxes, which was expected. They charged me $2,399.00 for leaving.
@@Mikethemerciless11really cool, thanks for sharing. I have family in Denmark and the thought comes up every once in a while to move there.
@@Mikethemerciless11 - Do you still need to renounce US citizenship to join the Legion?
@@petlahk4119 No. If you serve honorably for five years, they will offer you French citizenship; they don't automatically make you one. You can be a dual citizen, but that's complicated, and I do not know how the taxes work for that. However, if you choose to renounce your citizenship of a country, you have to be able to do it while having citizenship in another. France gave me a three month leeway to renounce American citizenship to make sure my affairs were in order. When you renounce, you should be in the country to where you are going to be a citizen of, and so I had to go to the American Embassy in Paris to do that. They process the forms, you turn in your passport, and they go over your fees and whatever taxes you owe (I owed nothing, having been in the Legion for eleven years).
I suppose it's like this for every country, but the American Embassy folks were trying to dissuade me from leaving, which is why they charged me one hefty fee for leaving. Because nobody leaves the "greatest country on Earth." So much for being the "land of the free."
That's why I quit my trade job lol. I had a situation exactly like that.
How the enviroment of traditional job?
That is exactly the way it goes. Been there and done that.
OMG its Marshall Patrick's Roscoe!!! Love it
I came to the comments SPECIFICALLY to see if anyone mentioned the “guest star” appearance lol! Love your work Marshall!
Haha, I'm thinking 'dude this new character looks familiar' 🤣
Perfect example of "can't get job without experience, but experience get's you a job or something " 😂😂 this is why nobody can get in the trades or why trades have low numbers of tradesmen.
It separates the wheat from the chaff
Kids these days are too busy in the phones or complaining to put in the time to learn. Pathetic examples of adults so....GO work at stargrips or convenience store and leave real work to real MEN!!!!
Name says it all!! Clean up on aisle 9...gtfo
Not if you can't even sprout up!
It's classic gatekeeping.
4 years later,
Young Buck: I now have a diploma/degree in welding, can I get hired for welding now?
Old Buck: Sorry, you don't have experience in welding, practical welding in school doesn't count! No job for you, bye bye! 😈
Before you invest your Valuable years, money, energy in school/college, make sure you can get an internship/helper (job experience) first and that you Actually want to work in that field!
@@jackster2568 Yeah, the wheat goes elsewhere. Nobody with any sense of self worth puts up with that level of bullshit.
Same old head will then lament that the younger generation isn't getting into the trades anymore.
Sad part is a lot of guys who worked in the trades told their kids to get a white collar job specifically not to have to deal with this.
Old heads know all the tricks. Like how to brag or complain about what they do for half their shift while still convincing boss they been busy all day.
As the new guy in multiple companies who now knows multiple trades well enough to rarely pay anyone else to do anything for me I can say without a doubt one thing and one thing only. Biggest threat to the old head is the new guy finding where they nap on the clock.
Please share your secrets. I am an 18 yo electrician and willing to learn.
"wow it sounds like your bosses, who hired me, want me to learn from the best"
You're a terrific actor. I FEEL each character 😂
Weld glass to granite? I thought it was a myth. This guy is a legend
Your older character and Roscoe from breadstick Ricky and the boss need to do a collab I’d love to see it 🤣
Roscoe Vs Willy UFC 307! Let’s gooo!!!!
@rickyandtheboss let’s put em in the ring!
Wait…. Does tagging not work on yt??? I never realized that!
@@MarshallPatrick I’ve seen it work before, not sure why though, idk if you can personally message other creators on here? Or maybe it’s because of the spaces in his channel name
@MarshallPatrick I followed your lead, now you got me looking
like a half tard over here trying to "at" @ Ricky. Thanx guy!
Rosco needs to go back on his pills.
Haha same filter, different day 🤷♂️
Omg that old timer is definitely my dad! He is always talking about the new guys at his work not knowing how to do anything and how he has to fix their mistakes.
"damn dad, you must have been the perfect employee when you started. knowing everything and how to do work perfectly so that no one had to correct any of your mistakes."
@@jetah50 amazing how "dad" forgets he was once the new kid on the block at 1 time and the old heads thought the same thing about him, not knowing how to do anything
@@jetah50My dad did genuinely know all that stuff at the start, was more competent than pretty much everyone else since day 1
Man, this is how empires fall
I have so many thoughts on this old wind bag.... None good. I've met guys like this. Its a shame.
This is sooo accurate it hurts me soul giving me flashbacks..
Crusty old Navy welder who could seriously weld anything to anything taught me. I was already in the trades (auto tech) but he seemed happy that a young kid wanted to learn. Hell of a teacher, too.
On second thought, I think I'll try pipe fitting.
Fitters aren’t much more facilitating…….
@@telecatsermasterI would almost assume that they’re worse😂
That’s only the shitty people brother, get into welding while you have the excuse that you haven’t learned yet. Some people are more than willing to teach. None of these old guys want to see the art form lost, they just don’t trust the new generation to hold the standards as high.
@@Weldoholicworded perfectly!
@@Weldoholic With you all the way. I actually love welding but I’m just a hobby guy. I’ve had similarly hard old timers during my early days in my actual profession. They’re usually sweethearts once you show them you’re not ‘that guy’.
More then any other comic, this one gets what it's like out there.
Yeah, it's like he's actually been there hmm...
"Hey Chet, this is Bob, he'd completely green and knows nothing. We decided your the most experienced and therefore most likely to be the best teacher."
"K"
"So where would you like me to start sir?"
"WHAT THE HELL YUR AKKIN MEH FER! IHY TEH HELL YOU NOT KNEW NUTTIN GUD FER NUTTIN!"
"The fuck dude.
Came here from the app that shall not be named 😂. Your content is amazing sir!
Old dude is mad he didn't get an education and taking it out on someone who got one. Refuses to pass off the knowledge to help them continue the trades.
Funny shit as always brother!
Learned from a shipyard worker, who was eager to teach someone that wanted to learn and would listen and not interrupt. Fast forward 16years and now when i teach someone one thing, they assume they are so good that they dont want to hear me talk or point out their mistakes. So i will say, good help is getting harder to find.
Fitter turner tradesman here, when I was fresh yeah the first year was a bit tough. But once I earned the respect of the old dudes and genuinely showed I wanted to learn they were awesome. They tought me all kinds of tricks that I never learned at the trade school night classes during my trade. Its like if you prove your a good one, they actually want to see you succeed then and are great!
I had a job truck driving and occasionally, we'd have to do teams. I got stuck with a dude almost exactly like this... he was upset because I only had three years experience.
Bruh... I'm sorry I was born in 1996 and I'm only 26 years old?? Like... wtf do want from me lol
I had to listen to this fuggin guy from Atlanta allll the way to Provo.
I have an old head coworker who's a lot like this. I don't have a company van, but he does, and we live super close so I ride with him a lot to save gas. After an hour-long drive once where he was talking the whole time and I got in maybe 30 words, I learned to make a comment that'll push his buttons and get him going, then zone him out with the occasional "Yep, uh-huh" and he won't realize I'm mentally checked out lol
I had no idea Kenny Rogers was a welder. Good to know.
Gotta know when to stick em, gotta know when to chip em…. I took that too far. I’ll see myself out 😂
That’s where Kenny made most of his money. 😂
@@MarshallPatrick😂😂
@@MarshallPatrickAs long as you aren’t the Coward of the County.
Been in the trades my whole life and I never understand all the guys like this, then they turn around and say why can’t we get more help.
So true for so many different things. Not gonna learn if they don't start somewhere
Always funny ass videos 😂
Bro these videos are gold 😂😂😂
electrical union only wants to pay 1st years $14.95hr in Ohio. gawddam walmart pays more wtf
Yeah but Walmart pay won't ever go up much unless you become a manager.
HOW TRUE ! BEEN THERE ! Started welding in 73. Still weld at the age of 75 . I can up the crack of dawn and a broken heart !
Gotta love when none of the older folks are willing to help. If you ask them a question they act dumb and go on their way, or sometimes, instead of telling you they completely take over and do your job for you then go and complain how they can't get anything done because everyone else is so needy. Like mf, i didn't ask you to come over here and do my job. You just had to tell a simple stright forward answer that would've taken like 2 seconds.
This hits the nail on the head. These dudes are great at what they do but also what killed the trades. You gotta have the intangibles that get a person that hates people to take interest in you before they'll give you the time of day
YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IAM TELLING YA…….BOY!!!!!!
the old "i've forgot more than you'll ever learn" i used to hit back with ya thats a clear sign of dementia!
I've got a close relative who was a welder. When he started his second job, the old heads welded a monkey tail and hooked it on the back of his britches when he wasn't paying attention.
10 secs in and this is spot on. Worked in the trades.
Let's go, new Marshalls video!
The fact he was honest about his skills and still had a lot to learn has my respect.
My buddy is a gen z welder and it's funny how at his job he's the one called to fix most of these types welds.
I needed this laugh today. Thank you, Marshall!
I work with a guy like this. Talks about how he's done everything, he can weld anything, he's one of the best welders out there. Except he's only 45, he's been doing this since he was 25, and he's had "so many jobs" cause he kept getting fired from the decent ones and finally found our shop where he can scrape the bottom of the skill barrel and stay employed while taking his 14 smoke breaks every day.
This is how men bond.
We need a new season of TOOL SCHOOL!!!!
Magic beard flickering like a flash helmet. Funny.
I don't want to teach these new guys!!!
why don't these new guys know anything!!!!
Then when the kid finally teaches himself somethings and starts shaping up that old head is gonna be like yup that's my trainee I am dam proud.
Funny enough, he is getting the exposure to the atmosphere without realizing it lmao
As someone in this industry, I've encountered too many guys like this. And i appreciate every one, learned amazing things from these guys when you show them you want to learn.
In my experience as long as you show them respect, keep your mouth closed, and listen they will take a "liking" to ya and teach you as much as you can learn
@@davyboy9397dunno, in my experience when you don't buy them beer and talk about how great they are, they start getting uppity sometimes violent. Who the hell are you even?
Gonna have to hit them with the "Why you over here standing by me?", that's gold
People acting like millionaires trying to protect their IP. Life is about sharing, from the craddle to the grave. Humility and friendlyness goes a long way.
So accurate. Idk how many welders bragged about dropping out in jr high or high school and how they make more than engineers lol. Yeah engineers also home nights and weekends as youre home 4 weeks a year
4 years later,
Young Buck: I now have a diploma/degree in welding, can I get hired for welding now?
Old Buck: Sorry, you don't have experience in welding, practical welding in school doesn't count! No job for you, bye bye! 😈
Before you invest your Valuable years, money, energy in school/college, make sure you can get an internship/helper (job experience) first and that you Actually want to work in that field!
I met this guy when trying to study a bioengineering masters. Needless too say I dropped out. The year before everybody in that program dropped out. What a delight of a person.
Every workplace got the old fart been there since before the place opened been doing the job since god was a boy totally unwilling to help out the new hires and trust me, I was kinda like that at one point 😂😂
"I'm not born knowing how to weld ok"! 😂😂😂
I feel like I need to push a broom after talking to you 😂😂😂😂
How many times I've talked to people under me at work and felt infinitely dumber just by them opening their mouth!
Sounds like a leadership problem
@@bencheevers6693 depends on which leader hired them but yes in some cases it was
@@lukemeck I'm saying that if your team under you are constantly making the same mistakes and doing dumb things so that you constantly feel like they're stupid, it sounds like you're not giving them the tools necessary and are constantly asking things of them that you haven't taught them. I'm talking about trades here, working a pencil pushing job it might be different but if I had a bunch of guys that were constantly making my jobs harder not easier then I wouldn't employ them but that would be an indictment on me as much as them.
@@bencheevers6693Yep,if you feel stupid after talking to another person you arent as smart as you think. I think people who do things for a ling time get tunnel vision and forget to be grateful for the dumb little stuff that in their mind "they.always knew" nope....you learned it somewhere you ungrateful bastard and you forgot who taught it to you,making you the stupid one because that means you stumbled along like an idiot until you grasped the knowledge rather than paying attention to the teacher and remembering their name and the moment the lightbulb clicked on. So if you are a leader and surrounded by idiots, take a look in the mirror asshole.
"I can weld glass to granite". Do it old man. Hwat?. DO IT!
Im going into manufacturing for metal and wood. Feels like this is gonna be me
Started my apprenticeship at the age of 26, never laid a bead in my life but had an absolute mad dog of a leading hand who never even asked me to push a broom.
I'll be qualified next year 💪
I dropped out of school after third grade and started working at farm so I could buy a tool belt and Estwing hammer to become a carpenter. Got my first carpentry job with a general contractor at about 17 years old in 1998. My first bosses favorite word was “unfuckingbelievable”. Worst boss ever. Since then, I’ve worked as a carpenter, cabinet maker, fireplace installer & service tech, HVAC service tech, water softener service tech. I’ve build houses in three states. I built custom kitchens and installed them in $10 million homes in Santa Barbara. I worked on the fireplaces in the house next-door to Bill Gates’s in the Yellowstone club in Montana. I moved back to Wisconsin to start my own home repair and service tech business and have been growing it for 10 years now. I started a woodshop and became a manufacturer. Started buying fixing and selling direct drive ski boats. Always hated being called a handyman so now I don’t even work on houses. I just buy sell and repair lawn and garden equipment. Deliver food part time for Italian restaurant. I do what I want!
Doesn’t matter what I do or who I work for whether it’s myself or not I will never forget the assholes that acted like that guy in the video that are too good to teach somebody how to do the job. It’s guys like that that make work in the trades suck and it’s guys like that that are creating the shortage of skilled workers because they got their head so far up their ass thinking that if they train a guy he’s gonna take their job. It’s a funny video, but it’s all too true.
Love your videos Marshall.
I was thinking about trying to get a welding cert but now I think I'll just go back to 8th grade.
My favorite so far. I was the kid and did just like this, got a job at a welding shop to see if it was for me. You make that guy an alcoholic with 2 ex wives and it is spot on. I ate about 3 weeks of their self loathing and never looked back.
Never understood that. Now some consider me an old head, and i try, REALLY TRY to take new young guys under my wing to teach them right. Unfortunately i get disappointed SO MUCH with so many of these younger guys. I keep telling myself to not get jaded and become old assholes like this guy, and i havent YET. But it sure is hard....
Props for at intro he said " I dont know how to do nothin. "I can't weld"!!
Don't think I've ever heard that before"
I just started a new career working as a Water Operator Trainee for my city.
The older guys are cool, until you mess up, or your inexperience shows.
It's the end of my 1st month 😅
Most old guys I work with are happy to teach as long as you are mildly competent and work hard