It's nice to see someone who actually knows what they're talking about when it comes to Black Talons and T-Series ammo, as well as adding testing to back up their claims. I think this is the first and only test video with the different generations of the Black Talon design being pitted against each other side-by-side. Great job and thanks for the video TnB!
Took the words right out of my mouth. Seems like half the self-professed "gun experts" bestow some mythical status upon the Black Talons, thinking they were the pinnacle of JHP design and wishing they were still sold today (ignorant of the fact that Winchester has moved on and improved their design).
I am not law enforcement and buy my T-Series online with no restrictions. They have been hard to find since the ammo crisis, but so has all good defense ammo.
Howdy - I have switched to Underwood “Extreme Defender” ammunition. It is a none expanding, barrier blind, high performance projectile designed by Lehigh with outstanding terminal ballistics. Amazing stuff!
Dang, I gotta say you are presently producing about the best vids of all the gun channels on YT. I also appreciate your classy style. This video in particular marks a substantial evolution in an already well developed delivery. Thanks.
. I would have preferred the RA40T 180 grain version for a more precise comparison. My carry round by the way. But excellent comparison . Thank you for that.
Hey Twang, if you ever acquire some 180 grain t-series, it'd be nice to see how that stacks up. I liked the video but if you have a lighter faster bullet, given similar/same bullet construction, you should see wider expansion and less penetration generally speaking. Either way, good video! Enjoyed it.
TWANGnBANG I still feel you should have done the test with the current 180gr Ranger-T, it literally performs exactly the same in testing at our department, besides the cosmetic changes, the 180gr loads are identical. Edit: the 165gr full load Ranger-T does have a much better track record in real world LE use versus the 180gr load, but sadly, both lag behind the 124+P and 127+P+ 9mm and 230 (both standard pressure and +P) 45ACP Ranger-T loads in documented LE use.
It will be back. You need to watch sgammo for this. They have the best prices and availability during more normal market conditions. We'll get there soon enough.
Yep. Even the "legitimate" gun mags made them sound like the most awesome handgun bullet ever made, which I bought hook, line, and sinker. It wasn't too far from the truth, though. They worked very hard at making a completely new type of bullet, and the basic design is still going strong.
Thanks so much for saying this! That is exactly the feel I'm going for with these types of videos because that's what I enjoy watching myself. You will see other types of videos, too, but this is my staple format.
This youtube channel makes me feel like i could get up early on an early Saturday and watch it over a nice cup of coffee, just like some of the hunting/gear channels on TV, Great job with these videos!
Yes. You can get these through sgammo and other online suppliers for much less than what you pay for any defense ammo in a retail store. Of course, you can't find ANY ammo right now, but it will be back.
That's right where it should be and exactly the same velocity as the 180gr T-Series. If you store your ammo right, age will not affect modern powders at all.
The 180gr bullet is too heavy for .40 cal. It is a great weight for the 10mm that pushes the bullet out at a much higher velocity. I have some old defense ammo that CCI made over 10 years ago. They use a 155gr Gold Dot hollow point bullet and the powder charge gives them a muzzle velocity of 1200fps and that is very good for .40 cal. In contrast I have some JHP 180gr defense loads for my 10mm that are 1350 fps at the muzzle. For those JHP's they need some velocity in order to expand well, if the speed isn't there you will have poor expansion.
Owning both of these rounds, I'm glad to see a side by side comparison. Don't wanna get shot by either, although I'll give up my Black Talons for the Rangers! ;-)
I'm with you, which is why I was really happy to see how the T-Series performed. If you watch carefully, you can see the gel block compresses much more for the T-Series than the Black Talon. Having an additional 20% of KE doesn't hurt, either.
So cool, I'd love to have a box of Black Talons and an expanded slug for my collection one day. I Just got a case of 147 grain 9mm Ranger T's I've been waiting for for about a year and this video couldn't have came at a better time for me. Love the video keep up the good work
Nope. The changes to the Black Talon were specifically to increase the expansion and reduce penetration. Winchester felt they overemphasized the barrier penetration at the expense of soft tissue performance. You might have seen bullets shot into different media that performed differently, but did they also compare the T-Series shot into the same medium? Also, what caliber bullets did you see?
I'm sooooo very glad to see you KNOW your facts and your not some idiot saying the Lubalox coating is Teflon coated to go thru vests',or that the Government made Winchester take the Talons off the market. It was my understanding the claim was the "Talons" created an "un-repairable" wound... anyways, THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR KNOWLEDGE! !!
That will happen in the future, though not for a while. Barriers are tricky to test in a way you can fairly compare two different bullets. There are a lot of variables that get introduced that you can't control for.
Actually, if you look at Winchester's published data, the 180gr T-Series penetrates LESS than the 165gr. They got a lot of complaints that the Black Talon was overpenetrating, so they worked to reduce the penetration quite a bit.
Check out Winchester's data on both loads. What I found matched theirs almost perfectly for the 165gr, so I expect that the 180gr data they have to be equally accurate.
The 165 has a higher velocity. Which would account for some better expansion than the 180 grain bullet. And there is no arguing that the black talons have sharper talons than the t series.
Completely aside from the ammo test but Hearing your voice, you sound super young. I was like, there's no way he was old enough to buy Black Talons when they were sold brand new. Then once I saw your face later in the video hahahaha dude I don't buy it one bit. You must've dyed your hair gray, now I see what people mean when they say I look a lot younger than I am (I'm 21 but everyone seems to think I'm 12-14 years old.) I hope to age as well as you, and excellent video by the way.
Awesome video! It's about time someone made a video using clear ballistics gelatin with this ammo. I have carried the Winchester 40cal 165gr. T-Series as duty ammo for many years. Some guys may want a bullet with more penetration but I don't want to take the chance of over penetration in a close quarter environment. I wonder what was the test gun used?
For a true test, I'd love to see a comparison of this cartridge in the 45 ACP, 230 grain flavor. There is no shortage of either, and it would be a true apples to apples comparison. I believe they would perform essentially identically.
+chuckschilling Which is why I carry JSP for defense because ALL current JHP are designed with these safety standards. You can go to any big city ER and see the under penetration problems of current JHP's.
A lot of people prefer A round that does not penetrate as far because most of them are using it in home defense. So when you’re talking about a potential miss going through a couple layers of drywall or only one Most people side with the less penetrating bullet. Simply because they don’t want roundsflying around entering their neighbors also
Most bullets are made to be barrier blind and it won't make a difference if you miss. The difference is their expansion on a wet/soft medium. The bullets are made to not come apart when shooting through autoglass and car doors because the police routinely needs to do that. When hitting something like drywall bullets tend to punch through unscathed, deform slightly or lose a petal depending on bullet design and construction - and keep going without achieving expansion. EDIT: in fact one of the reasons cops moved away from MP5s to AR15s when entering houses is because pistol hollow points are a greater liability.
No 44mag in the T-Series, but that's OK. There are plenty of 44mag bullets out there that will probably perform better than the Black Talon. However, you gave your friend probably $200 worth of collector's value, maybe more. I hope he appreciates it. :)
T-Series works great in .40S&W, it has expands as wide as Federal HST in .45ACP does! The .45 version of T-Series expands even more, reaching a whopping 0.99-1.04 inches! The fact that it can reliably expand at subsonic velocities and still hit 12+ inches of penetration makes this a monster of a round!
The 250gr 44mag and 180gr 357 mag black talon loads were great hunting bullets. I`ve taken whitetail with both and had complete penetration with both and obvious evidence of expansion when field dressing the animals. I still have a very good supply of 44mag...about 700rnds but, my 357 stash is down to only 340rnds. They obviously aren`t designed as defensive rounds in these calibers but, in the field, they always leave an exit wound and the resulting blood trail. I wish they were still available.
Are the T-Series available to the general public? Dare I ask, how much were they? Enjoyed the video as always, keep up the good work. I see the sub numbers raise every video.
Thanks! Believe it or not, in real dollars, the T-Series is actually cheaper today than the Black Talon was in 1992. Go figure. Of course, the Black Talon has collectors value today that make them worth a lot more than the T-Series on the market, though I'm not selling any of mine.
Awesome video! I have a box of 127 gr 9mm T-Series I keep in my carry gun. I would also like to see how the T-Series, and for that matter Black Talon, does with a barrier.
I have one 45 acp Black Talon that I have had since 1993 when I bought my first Glock 21 I have another one that was fired into a carpeted concrete floor after a fire I cut the carpet up and dug out what was left of the Talon and I have it in a little glass vial somewhere in my upstairs lol
Thanks for your perspective and info. I just bought some ranger t series 230 grain .45 acp for my sig sauer. Was either that or the pdx1, I took the ranger cause I believe the talons expand more. All three rounds I have no doubt would cause an equal nasty amount if damage on a human in self defense. I took the ranger, but would like to find some black talon at a gun show or something because its a legendary round.
I'll just stay with the 357 Magnum loaded with 125 grain Semi-Jacketed Hollow Point bullet (from Remington, Federal or Winchester). Regardless of how much pistol bullet technology has improved or whatever the newest cartridge is, in terms of ammo for personal protection this old school handgun round is still the standard by which all others are compared against.
@placehood no bc of there history and they were the 1st dangerous beautiful hollow point with technology above any other hollow point out there Winchesters technology was far advance for its time.
Marketing baloney they came up with to justify the color. The SXT, which was the Same eXact Thing without the Lubalox, never had a reliability problem due to *lack* of Lubalox. Winchester simply went on a black coated bullet bender, and the Black Talon was one of them.
Gold Dot or T-Series are both much better bullets than the Black Talon. Right now, Gold Dots seem to be easier to get in 45ACP. Be sure to buy enough that you can ensure they feed in your 1911.
I was able to score 3 boxes of .40 S&W Winchester Ranger T-Series 180 gr tonight. In your opinion, should I expect to see the same level of expansion when stepping up from the 165 gr to the 180? Didn't know if the bullet weight makes a difference. Thanks for your input. Great vid! Just subscribed.
Now I am going to have to test them myself, I have the .45 BT so maybe at least this cal will expand properly like the pictures I have seen online. I know smaller cal's have a harder time expanding because of the smaller hole in the center.
But you're using similar bullets same caliber same gun, same gel. However, you're using two different bullet weights that go with two different velocities and energy when they hit the target, so it's not exactly a fair test. You got to use the same weight for each bullet if you can.
Federal manufactured these bullets for Win. Federal loads the PDX1/Ranger T 130gr. in military. 38 Special ammo. I Have bought pulled bullets advertised from military ammo...
Thanks T&B but I smell BS lol.. It's hard to believe the expansion is that much of a difference between the two.. How come the BT did not expand properly like the RT? I have see many pictures of the BT expanded that have the star pattern on the face rather then just a circle like in your test. This video hurt my feelings a little and I own both bullets.. Do you repete your expansion test more then once and then use the average or just fire one round? REMATCH! lol
$9.99 for a 50 round box of Black Talons... man I miss those days! :-(
Tommy TwoGun 20 round box, but yeah, still cheap. :)
TWANGnBANG
Ahhh ok, yeah it's still cheap by today's standards lol
20 rounds.....
Paid $30 for 50 rounds of the t series
.40 tseries 50rd on sgammo for 24.99
It's nice to see someone who actually knows what they're talking about when it comes to Black Talons and T-Series ammo, as well as adding testing to back up their claims. I think this is the first and only test video with the different generations of the Black Talon design being pitted against each other side-by-side. Great job and thanks for the video TnB!
Took the words right out of my mouth. Seems like half the self-professed "gun experts" bestow some mythical status upon the Black Talons, thinking they were the pinnacle of JHP design and wishing they were still sold today (ignorant of the fact that Winchester has moved on and improved their design).
I am not law enforcement and buy my T-Series online with no restrictions. They have been hard to find since the ammo crisis, but so has all good defense ammo.
Pssh ammo crisis. Zoom ahead to 2020-2021 lol
Glad this popped up. I use to watch your videos every day they were uploaded. Been a while!
Howdy - I have switched to Underwood “Extreme Defender” ammunition. It is a none expanding, barrier blind, high performance projectile designed by Lehigh with outstanding terminal ballistics. Amazing stuff!
good comparison! I still have a box of 9mm Black Talons too.
Dang, I gotta say you are presently producing about the best vids of all the gun channels on YT. I also appreciate your classy style. This video in particular marks a substantial evolution in an already well developed delivery. Thanks.
They need to bring this back, 'Talon' Name and all, should increase performance of it too.
This ammo looks sick af!
. I would have preferred the RA40T 180 grain version for a more precise comparison. My carry round by the way. But excellent comparison . Thank you for that.
Hey Twang, if you ever acquire some 180 grain t-series, it'd be nice to see how that stacks up. I liked the video but if you have a lighter faster bullet, given similar/same bullet construction, you should see wider expansion and less penetration generally speaking.
Either way, good video! Enjoyed it.
Thanks! I've been wanting to do it for months, but I only got around to it two weeks ago.
Black talon sounds great for suppressor use, it's subsonic, decently heavy, and has wicked penetration and expansion!
Thanks! The Black Talon is definitely very collectible, but I'm glad that bullet tech has progressed.
Awesome! Thanks for sticking around.
Thanks for the support! That helps a lot.
Thanks for the support!
TWANGnBANG I still feel you should have done the test with the current 180gr Ranger-T, it literally performs exactly the same in testing at our department, besides the cosmetic changes, the 180gr loads are identical.
Edit: the 165gr full load Ranger-T does have a much better track record in real world LE use versus the 180gr load, but sadly, both lag behind the 124+P and 127+P+ 9mm and 230 (both standard pressure and +P) 45ACP Ranger-T loads in documented LE use.
It will be back. You need to watch sgammo for this. They have the best prices and availability during more normal market conditions. We'll get there soon enough.
Yep. Even the "legitimate" gun mags made them sound like the most awesome handgun bullet ever made, which I bought hook, line, and sinker. It wasn't too far from the truth, though. They worked very hard at making a completely new type of bullet, and the basic design is still going strong.
Thanks so much for saying this! That is exactly the feel I'm going for with these types of videos because that's what I enjoy watching myself. You will see other types of videos, too, but this is my staple format.
This youtube channel makes me feel like i could get up early on an early Saturday and watch it over a nice cup of coffee, just like some of the hunting/gear channels on TV, Great job with these videos!
Yes. You can get these through sgammo and other online suppliers for much less than what you pay for any defense ammo in a retail store. Of course, you can't find ANY ammo right now, but it will be back.
I enjoyed this video very much. Thank you for sharing it.
Thanks, Reed! I really appreciate the feedback.
That's right where it should be and exactly the same velocity as the 180gr T-Series. If you store your ammo right, age will not affect modern powders at all.
The 180gr bullet is too heavy for .40 cal. It is a great weight for the 10mm that pushes the bullet out at a much higher velocity. I have some old defense ammo that CCI made over 10 years ago. They use a 155gr Gold Dot hollow point bullet and the powder charge gives them a muzzle velocity of 1200fps and that is very good for .40 cal. In contrast I have some JHP 180gr defense loads for my 10mm that are 1350 fps at the muzzle. For those JHP's they need some velocity in order to expand well, if the speed isn't there you will have poor expansion.
Eh 180 seems alright. Less power, correct, however you get better penetratiin and a but less recoil. Helpful when your target is full of dense bones.
Sweet video! I carry black talons to this day.
Owning both of these rounds, I'm glad to see a side by side comparison. Don't wanna get shot by either, although I'll give up my Black Talons for the Rangers! ;-)
I'm with you, which is why I was really happy to see how the T-Series performed. If you watch carefully, you can see the gel block compresses much more for the T-Series than the Black Talon. Having an additional 20% of KE doesn't hurt, either.
So cool, I'd love to have a box of Black Talons and an expanded slug for my collection one day. I Just got a case of 147 grain 9mm Ranger T's I've been waiting for for about a year and this video couldn't have came at a better time for me. Love the video keep up the good work
Nope. The changes to the Black Talon were specifically to increase the expansion and reduce penetration. Winchester felt they overemphasized the barrier penetration at the expense of soft tissue performance. You might have seen bullets shot into different media that performed differently, but did they also compare the T-Series shot into the same medium? Also, what caliber bullets did you see?
I'm sooooo very glad to see you KNOW your facts and your not some idiot saying the Lubalox coating is Teflon coated to go thru vests',or that the Government made Winchester take the Talons off the market. It was my understanding the claim was the "Talons" created an "un-repairable" wound... anyways, THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR KNOWLEDGE! !!
That will happen in the future, though not for a while. Barriers are tricky to test in a way you can fairly compare two different bullets. There are a lot of variables that get introduced that you can't control for.
Thanks for sticking around!
Thanks for doing this!! Ammo tech has come a LONG way since 1991!
Awesome video, I also have a box from the past. I guess it is time to shoot it up now that the Ranger series is better.
Thanks! I hope you stick around.
Actually, if you look at Winchester's published data, the 180gr T-Series penetrates LESS than the 165gr. They got a lot of complaints that the Black Talon was overpenetrating, so they worked to reduce the penetration quite a bit.
Check out Winchester's data on both loads. What I found matched theirs almost perfectly for the 165gr, so I expect that the 180gr data they have to be equally accurate.
Thanks, Joe!
Who knows. What is important, though, is to make sure you let UA-cam and its advertisers know that firearms-oriented videos are important to you.
Great video !! Just found your channel tonight and really like your style of presentation.
Thanks.
The 165 has a higher velocity. Which would account for some better expansion than the 180 grain bullet. And there is no arguing that the black talons have sharper talons than the t series.
Always enjoy your videos, keep them coming!
Awesome video. thank you for documenting this comparison!
Thanks, Doug!
Completely aside from the ammo test but Hearing your voice, you sound super young. I was like, there's no way he was old enough to buy Black Talons when they were sold brand new. Then once I saw your face later in the video hahahaha dude I don't buy it one bit. You must've dyed your hair gray, now I see what people mean when they say I look a lot younger than I am (I'm 21 but everyone seems to think I'm 12-14 years old.) I hope to age as well as you, and excellent video by the way.
+alex43ko I was born in 1970. :)
Awesome video! It's about time someone made a video using clear ballistics gelatin with this ammo. I have carried the Winchester 40cal 165gr. T-Series as duty ammo for many years. Some guys may want a bullet with more penetration but I don't want to take the chance of over penetration in a close quarter environment. I wonder what was the test gun used?
I still have the original Black Talons in 9mm loaded in my G26. The box still has that same $9.99 price tag on it as well.
Time to replace those ;) The 147gr T series is a damn good alternative, believe me.
You should feel well-protected with that combo.
I just came across some 9mm Black Talon so I wanted to find out more about it. Thanks!
Thanks for the killer video Broski. Liked and subscribed 👍👍👍
Keep up the good work, Brother!
Thanks for watching!
Coincidence. I did my tests before Big Shooterist published his video. It is an interesting round to test, though.
For a true test, I'd love to see a comparison of this cartridge in the 45 ACP, 230 grain flavor. There is no shortage of either, and it would be a true apples to apples comparison. I believe they would perform essentially identically.
Personally, I see reduced penetration as a detriment, not an advantage.
+chuckschilling Which is why I carry JSP for defense because ALL current JHP are designed with these safety standards. You can go to any big city ER and see the under penetration problems of current JHP's.
A lot of people prefer A round that does not penetrate as far because most of them are using it in home defense. So when you’re talking about a potential miss going through a couple layers of drywall or only one Most people side with the less penetrating bullet. Simply because they don’t want roundsflying around entering their neighbors also
Most bullets are made to be barrier blind and it won't make a difference if you miss. The difference is their expansion on a wet/soft medium.
The bullets are made to not come apart when shooting through autoglass and car doors because the police routinely needs to do that. When hitting something like drywall bullets tend to punch through unscathed, deform slightly or lose a petal depending on bullet design and construction - and keep going without achieving expansion.
EDIT: in fact one of the reasons cops moved away from MP5s to AR15s when entering houses is because pistol hollow points are a greater liability.
Most people don't have a chest that's over 16" deep.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD people have proven unless the bullet says bonded hollow point they dont do great going through glass
Nice video this is my EDC in 45acp.
That's the bonded version of the T-Series. I might get some to test on barriers in the future.
No 44mag in the T-Series, but that's OK. There are plenty of 44mag bullets out there that will probably perform better than the Black Talon. However, you gave your friend probably $200 worth of collector's value, maybe more. I hope he appreciates it. :)
T-Series works great in .40S&W, it has expands as wide as Federal HST in .45ACP does! The .45 version of T-Series expands even more, reaching a whopping 0.99-1.04 inches! The fact that it can reliably expand at subsonic velocities and still hit 12+ inches of penetration makes this a monster of a round!
The 250gr 44mag and 180gr 357 mag black talon loads were great hunting bullets. I`ve taken whitetail with both and had complete penetration with both and obvious evidence of expansion when field dressing the animals. I still have a very good supply of 44mag...about 700rnds but, my 357 stash is down to only 340rnds. They obviously aren`t designed as defensive rounds in these calibers but, in the field, they always leave an exit wound and the resulting blood trail. I wish they were still available.
I haven't seen it on the market for seven months. It might be a while before it is available again.
Are the T-Series available to the general public? Dare I ask, how much were they? Enjoyed the video as always, keep up the good work. I see the sub numbers raise every video.
You should do the same test with a pane of glass in front of the gel.
Those T-series in 180 gr is what I use as backup for hogs and they do make VERY nice bleed holes.
Thanks! Believe it or not, in real dollars, the T-Series is actually cheaper today than the Black Talon was in 1992. Go figure. Of course, the Black Talon has collectors value today that make them worth a lot more than the T-Series on the market, though I'm not selling any of mine.
Very well done. Thanks for the comparision.
Awesome video! I have a box of 127 gr 9mm T-Series I keep in my carry gun. I would also like to see how the T-Series, and for that matter Black Talon, does with a barrier.
That's over $16 for 20 rounds in today's dollars, though. The T-Series is actually cheaper than that (or at least it was back when I bought it).
I have one 45 acp Black Talon that I have had since 1993 when I bought my first Glock 21 I have another one that was fired into a carpeted concrete floor after a fire I cut the carpet up and dug out what was left of the Talon and I have it in a little glass vial somewhere in my upstairs lol
They and the silver will be in a future comparison video.
Thanks for your perspective and info. I just bought some ranger t series 230 grain .45 acp for my sig sauer. Was either that or the pdx1, I took the ranger cause I believe the talons expand more. All three rounds I have no doubt would cause an equal nasty amount if damage on a human in self defense. I took the ranger, but would like to find some black talon at a gun show or something because its a legendary round.
Please do. I only have 40S&W and 10mm because those were my carry pieces in 1992. :)
They are great collectors items, but I'd stick with modern SD bullets.
I'll just stay with the 357 Magnum loaded with 125 grain Semi-Jacketed Hollow Point bullet (from Remington, Federal or Winchester). Regardless of how much pistol bullet technology has improved or whatever the newest cartridge is, in terms of ammo for personal protection this old school handgun round is still the standard by which all others are compared against.
357 is king of the streets... thats why I got a Glock 31
After watching this I liked and subscribed. I'll be buying a box of the Winchester for personal carry.
Thanks, ryusekai!
I like the Black Talons more. Without a doubt.
@placehood no bc of there history and they were the 1st dangerous beautiful hollow point with technology above any other hollow point out there Winchesters technology was far advance for its time.
Thanks!
Do they still make the Ranger T Series?
Thanks so much!
Thank you for the video, very helpful and interesting, I will be watching more of your videos.
Marketing baloney they came up with to justify the color. The SXT, which was the Same eXact Thing without the Lubalox, never had a reliability problem due to *lack* of Lubalox. Winchester simply went on a black coated bullet bender, and the Black Talon was one of them.
Gold Dot or T-Series are both much better bullets than the Black Talon. Right now, Gold Dots seem to be easier to get in 45ACP. Be sure to buy enough that you can ensure they feed in your 1911.
Another great episode. Thanks man!
I was able to score 3 boxes of .40 S&W Winchester Ranger T-Series 180 gr tonight. In your opinion, should I expect to see the same level of expansion when stepping up from the 165 gr to the 180? Didn't know if the bullet weight makes a difference. Thanks for your input. Great vid! Just subscribed.
I better cut one in half just to make sure I'm not missing out! :)
Thanks again!
Those have been very hard to come by luckily I know where to get them
I got the 250 grain "Platinum Tip" .44magnum, they are sick 5 mags worth for my Desert Eagle, i took the 50 AE barrel off..... !!!!
I just bought some 9mm black talon ammo today, a rare find and looking to find more. Any ideas where I can score more??
Great info man. Thanks for uploading:-)
Now I am going to have to test them myself, I have the .45 BT so maybe at least this cal will expand properly like the pictures I have seen online. I know smaller cal's have a harder time expanding because of the smaller hole in the center.
But you're using similar bullets same caliber same gun, same gel. However, you're using two different bullet weights that go with two different velocities and energy when they hit the target, so it's not exactly a fair test. You got to use the same weight for each bullet if you can.
ooh thats a good price on the black talon! where can i get it at that price? sears? im pretty sure i can find it at sears. well, thanks in advance!
Federal manufactured these bullets for Win. Federal loads the PDX1/Ranger T 130gr. in military. 38 Special ammo. I Have bought pulled bullets advertised from military ammo...
That's a possibility for when I have more time and money to invest in making a video like this. Windshields aren't free. :)
Vintage 90’s? Bro.... lol. Good video
Thanks T&B but I smell BS lol.. It's hard to believe the expansion is that much of a difference between the two.. How come the BT did not expand properly like the RT? I have see many pictures of the BT expanded that have the star pattern on the face rather then just a circle like in your test. This video hurt my feelings a little and I own both bullets.. Do you repete your expansion test more then once and then use the average or just fire one round? REMATCH! lol
I have 2 boxes of the Black Talon in 40. Collectible now