@@m3leewell it kinda is. i know how much you guys hate the idea of counter picking, but that’s a main factor in hero shooters. some characters counter others.
@Roman_the_black_catseriously, it’s weird how people think rocket launchers are stronger than swords. You never saw any Roman cavalries with rocket launchers, did you 😂
I personally like how black widow is almost like a support sniper, you overwhelm the enemy with huge bursts of damage they have to heal or fall back because of, you coordinate your damage with whoever you see your team softening up, be the one to soften them up for your frontline or if they aren’t getting healed just two back to back shots. Feels a lot more satisfying than waiting for a stupid ‘bullet charge’ to possibly one shot someone.
One of the best games I've ever had as Moon Knight was with my buddy playing Widow. The two of us forced the enemy team to go 4 vanguard 2 strategist, they straight up couldn't deal with the the combo.
Most of the time, Widow is shooting into the battlefield where no one is gonna have full health and the ones that do will likely get finished off most of the time before they can retreat or heal
Have you played the game? People have a healer at their hip or ARE the self healing healer almost 24/7. The only exception is the high mobility champs that would flank and outclass black widow 100% of 1v1's
@@smittywerganyangermanjense145 Strategists keep the team at high health, but rarely constantly at full health. They always have some sort of damage done them, that's why the healers are there to keep them alive. Widow can still one shot most characters in the midst of a team fight.
Brotha u have not played the game.. everyone is full hp all the time and in the time she has to w8 for second shot any supp can heal them full. If u play her ur considered trolling kn most high lobbies. But it dont mean shes a bad design. Just need to make her be able tp finish off sle easier
@ if everyone is full hp all the time in your games then everyone in your lobby suggs balls, cz aint no way not a single person is doing enough damage to make a difference. Strategists are strong but they can only do so much - theres a reason Mantis and Luna ult are considered S tier and its cuz its the only time a team can go through a teamfight without their health going down.
That's the funny thing. If they're paired together... Yes, Widow can 1tap... But now a new issue arrises, Which of the two duelist will be on the point? No matter which way you Slice it, Either A. Hawk is in CQB, and needs to balance Tracking with Survivability, B. Widow is in CQB, and Needs to learn how to flick, or use her abilities (Which is accounted for) Or C... They both play from long ranges... Which makes the Vanguards take more damage.
Agreed. Had a widow hawk combo on enemy team and solution was just iron fist and spider man. While they are crazy good againist any other dps they were useless against iron fist. @@HoloKirby
@@Infaalsoswhat tank can even self heal? I guess hulk when he ults but other than that they really only have shielding via bonus health or reinhardt style shields
Only 250 HP targets. Not a 275 HP Luna even. Widow actually sucks. At some point they will sites access to winrates and everyone with Widow PTSD will see the facts. She needs buffs in the Game where others do her Job way better. Like the busted Hawkeye with actual oneshots and that Hela no scope-limitation spam bot.
I really do love Black widow because by giving her not a 1 shot, but also the run and kick... that means she often just proves her entire character aesthetic; this trained assassin with a gun that may not be enough to completely dominate. I'll retouch on that later, but like having her run in, jump, quickscope, then kick? That is so her. As for the Bolt action sfx? Crisp. Clean. Icy. I love it.
Instead of picking of full health enemies, target the low health ones for guaranteed kills. She does so much dmg that even healing can't keep up if they have like 50% health.
@zuckergolf4442 If she could one-shot, everyone who doesn't wanna do teamwork would play Widow to get solo frags. Instead, she can cooperate with her team to get kills.
I'm kinda just putting this everywhere so people know and I'm bored Galactica is Galactus' TEENAGE daughter, and the lore behind the game is that she's eating the timestream bs left behind after the fights in game instead of planets. (Source: Your Biggest Fan gallery page, unlocked by getting 80 point thingies in the Galactica's Guide tab)
It's weird that they would put basic context lore like that behind an unlock reward? You WANT people to feel immersed in your game. Why withhold that? Up front the game lacks that "why are we even here" lore flavor.
The solution was to make her garbage and pretty much unplayably bad? Her kit is by a good margin one of the weakest in the whole game. Just say you don't like the idea of snipers in general and you're glad that marvel rivals pre-nerfed her into oblivion.
A sniper character that not only doesn't oneshot with a headshot but also rewards you for hitting things like close range trick shots with a kill combo off it without punishing playing her as a more classical sniper character is honestly impressive.
Map control? What are you smoking? In what universe does her worthless kit give map control when Hawkeye is better in EVERY WAY. Not to mention tanks and healers alike don't give a fuck about her shit dps. Her only damage is on a headshot and that is NOT easy in this game where most of the roster has extremely high mobility. She has a worthless ult too while we are at it. Her kit is straight up just worse hawkeye. She's so bottom of the barrel that I would personally be offended by any teammates picking her up inside of any other champs. Even Jeff is a better sniper and he is a support. 😂
@smittywerganyangermanjense145 yes... Facilitate map control... If you could read this wouldn't be hard. A sniper in a team shooter shouldn't one shot unless a target is weak. Her headshots are incredibly forgiving unless you're just ass at aiming. Hawkeye being better doesn't change the fact that snipers should operate a certain way in these types of games. You used non-sequitors to argue incredibly terrible points lmao.
@@smittywerganyangermanjense145 Being at 1 HP, while not as bad as being at 0, is SIGNIFICANTLY worse than being at 100% HP. I can't help you if that math doesn't make sense.
And then comes hela who can kill almost anyone from any range with two headshots lol Hela needs dmg falloff, maybe not severe like in overwatch, but at least 20-30% weaker dmg so you need to land 3 headshots if you want to kill someone from 60+ meters 😁
@@EdgeOfDarknezz Have you ever tried to hit someone's head with Hela from 60m away? You have to line up your 1 pixel hurtbox with their 1 pixel hitbox, without scope. Now add movement (you are moving when Hela shoots you, right?) The two are not remotely comparable.
So, use the rest of your kit. Or be a good team sniper and make picks on weakened targets. HOW HAS BLIZZARD FUMBLED WIDOWMAKER SO BADLY OVER THE YEARS whilst marvel comes along and hits the nail on the head 😂
Idk about that. A sniper that can noscope with full damage and has a one shot combo up close. Her presence will still deny massive amounts of space, since she does so much burst damage and can’t be realistically contested at her effective range. She’s way better against dive since she can run, has her kick and can no scope.
@@emerywoods624what else would they do? Punisher already has multiple guns and giving her a run, kick and only the batons is very bad especially because of her low health and you practically need a sniper in every team shooter
The hero designers on this game are on something bro. Widow, scarlet, warlock, & peni are the most beautifully designed heroes I've seen in any game ever.
@kein115 Well yeah they did a lot of stuff that overwatch already did but I think they did it better. Black widow specifically is just widowmaker but better imo. They solved damn near everything that people complained about widowmaker for.
@@Immortal_playzsit's the bronze players crying widowmaker in overwatch is broken because her only useful bit of kit is strong if you can aim, yet ignore the fact the entire roster counters her and a single kiriko or genji makes her literally useless
That damage amp is the only thing I can even imagine that would make black widow feel decent. Otherwise she just simply is outclassed by 95% of the roster (storm is also equipped with a really mediocre kit tbh. Giving her piercing shots instead of better aoe damage through chain lightning or something makes NO SENSE for a character designed for arial combat. They only use for storm is to buff your team and be an arguably worse damage amp champ than mantis
I told one of my friends that loved sniper characters to: “Just play Hawkeye”, since he can do basically on what widow does but significantly better, even defend himself in CQB better than Widow. With how heavily people seem to favor stacking together with their team to push, Hawkeye just does it all better than her. If you want an easy pick as Widow, you basically have to linger and wait for squishier chars to be low enough to headshot/pick off while they’re low while *also* combatting healing. Good luck getting that chance when they’re all stacked together with the medic going crazy on the heals. With Hawkeye, you get one well placed headshot and you get your kill easy.
Black Widow one shots any squishy that is not full health. They dont need to be low or even half health, they just need a sliver of damage for her to instantly kill them. She doesn't have a problem with actually getting kills if the player knows how to aim, considering everyone always has some sort of damage during a team fight. I will agree tho that Hawkeye is better, but only because he shoots his arrows so much faster.
@@Mr_Psktla I just think the one shot capability makes him that much better. In a situation where a full health player gets headshot by a Hawkeye vs Widow, the Widow has to hope a player picks them off immediately after, where with Hawkeye you just get the kill.
Hawkeye can one shot, this is true. But in my experience, Widow is easier to use. Her kit is simple, and while her weapon doesn’t one tap you, it does a decent amount of damage. I find her perfectly balanced and fun to play.
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Tbf, there are a lot of stories where someone gets shot in the head and survives. With arrows, on the other hand... I know that mostly, if not all, of the people who got shot that survived were not hit with a rifle, but I just wanted to make a point (even if not THAT plausible)
@@alguem_comentandotbf a normal gun can shoot like 5 times faster, isn't heavy, is easy to use, and if you have a rifle... Yeah any gun beats a bow. They're both deadly, but one fires faster andddddd isn't a giant spotable weapon made of wood that also takes forever to reload. A person with a bow versus someone with a gun is easy. The gun wins
I play Black Widow and i noticed that too but its very possible to finish someone off quickly even if you dont scope the head if you aim it right you can two shot some dps and supports, shes insane plus its satisfying seeing that kill confirm.
Often. Especially with how good cloak and dagger or a Mantis/Luna Snow comp is. You either kill the healers first, or rely on a 1 shot combo to get picks.
@@Voodoo_Occasions I'm sorry to inform you that your teams are shit. They need to learn how to left-click before playing shooting games. As a healer main, our healing doesn't warp back in time to put our teammates back at full health before they drop below 100%.
The amount of headshots ive landed on supports and dps where they should have died, just for them to be full health 0.5 seconds laser is insane. I would then have to land 10 more shots on 1 person to even kill them.
I know people are hyped because it is Marvel and a new Game, but i genuinely think the design behind the Game, the mechanics and the direction they are taking is really really good
Honestly this is how sniper characters should be, deals a lot of damage and can easily kill characters that have already been damaged but can't one shot full health characters and allows for people to both try to heal and live after being shot or try to take out the sniper. This not only helps give counter play to snipers but also allows for snipers to be incorporated into team strategies (Having a sniper help finish of retreating characters for example.)
@@josh6689 hit scan that can secure damage from any range without any drop off and you argue she needs a 1 shot kill to have identity? Funny. OW players truly get the game they deserve and it's called shit
I love how everyone just seems to not remember that black widow has a full melee combo and Hawkeye does not. That's what differs them from each other, and why there's a disparity in damage
What’s funny is the same people who were mad a one shot made it into the game saw widow doesn’t one shot, and went straight to playing Hawkeye (the only hero that can one shot).
Havent played but seems like she’s a good choice to do a large burst of damage to multiple targets in succession for others to finish quickly with a lower damage output but higher survivability
Widowmaker isnt broken unless you're trash, widowmaker is countered by the entire overwatch roster, can one shot but that's all she provides to the team. Apart from getting picks (assuming you can aim) she does nothing. All it takes is a support, or DPS, or range tank who can aim and widowmaker is dead. All it takes is a DPS like genji or a support like kiriko and she's dead/useless, all it takes is rein and widowmaker is again useless. The people who say shes broken and is a problem are in silver or bronze
As the guy who plays sniper in any game the factor is you're not the one who will be killing the targets not all the time it's your job to weaken the target so your teammates can finish them
I like the fact that no matter what, Widow is still a problem. Having almost all your health drained is something to retreat for. Plus, if you don’t have full health, this guarantees your death still. To top it off, she doesn’t need to approach, she’s a sniper, one shot or not. Oh yeah, plus Hawkeye exists
Yeah everyone really thought Black Widow was gonna be a problem, little did they know about Hawkeye, Iron Fist, and that damn terrorist Jeff
Okay what.... how is iron fist and issue when peni Parker annihilates him just by existing????
@logthelog_2if the answer to an issue is counter picking, it is not the right answer
@@m3leewell it kinda is. i know how much you guys hate the idea of counter picking, but that’s a main factor in hero shooters. some characters counter others.
@logthelog_2he’s really annoying for back line but it’s actually really manageable
@@digital_nex2247that’s the main answer in overwatch but this isn’t overwatch
That’s definitely comic book logic where a bow can one shot you but not an advanced energy based sniper rifle.
There us a reason bows have been used for thousands of years while enrgy rifles havent 😂
@Roman_the_black_catenergy rifles are not real. We don’t have a real world equivalent to compare the two.
@Roman_the_black_catseriously, it’s weird how people think rocket launchers are stronger than swords. You never saw any Roman cavalries with rocket launchers, did you 😂
@@CarnivalAX someone didnt get the joke
To be fair people would cry if the guy named Hawkeye got out sniped by another character that is consistently showcased with batons or some nonsense.
"She cant quickly finish you off." Speak for urself brother
Yeah my dog can do that to 😍
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@EliteIsCool Ayoo 🤨
Disgusting, but same
😂
We thought Widow was gonna be an issue, when Hawkeye is heavy breathing behind me at all times
Counter point: the rest of the team exists and a DPS character getting reminded of their own mortality from full will break team momentum.
Yeah, this way you need to have taken damage before the Widow can kill you
I personally like how black widow is almost like a support sniper, you overwhelm the enemy with huge bursts of damage they have to heal or fall back because of, you coordinate your damage with whoever you see your team softening up, be the one to soften them up for your frontline or if they aren’t getting healed just two back to back shots. Feels a lot more satisfying than waiting for a stupid ‘bullet charge’ to possibly one shot someone.
One of the best games I've ever had as Moon Knight was with my buddy playing Widow. The two of us forced the enemy team to go 4 vanguard 2 strategist, they straight up couldn't deal with the the combo.
Black Widow can easily do cleanup if your team members are actively fighting the other team.
That's how I use her and it works. If Ironman doesn't fly away, he's dead
Most of the time, Widow is shooting into the battlefield where no one is gonna have full health and the ones that do will likely get finished off most of the time before they can retreat or heal
Have you played the game? People have a healer at their hip or ARE the self healing healer almost 24/7. The only exception is the high mobility champs that would flank and outclass black widow 100% of 1v1's
@@smittywerganyangermanjense145
Strategists keep the team at high health, but rarely constantly at full health. They always have some sort of damage done them, that's why the healers are there to keep them alive. Widow can still one shot most characters in the midst of a team fight.
Brotha u have not played the game.. everyone is full hp all the time and in the time she has to w8 for second shot any supp can heal them full. If u play her ur considered trolling kn most high lobbies. But it dont mean shes a bad design. Just need to make her be able tp finish off sle easier
@ if everyone is full hp all the time in your games then everyone in your lobby suggs balls, cz aint no way not a single person is doing enough damage to make a difference. Strategists are strong but they can only do so much - theres a reason Mantis and Luna ult are considered S tier and its cuz its the only time a team can go through a teamfight without their health going down.
@@Mr_Psktla vanguards like magneto and strange do exist
We hyping up "THEY FIXED WIDOW".
Hawkeye:🤫
That's the funny thing. If they're paired together... Yes, Widow can 1tap... But now a new issue arrises, Which of the two duelist will be on the point?
No matter which way you Slice it, Either A. Hawk is in CQB, and needs to balance Tracking with Survivability, B. Widow is in CQB, and Needs to learn how to flick, or use her abilities (Which is accounted for) Or C... They both play from long ranges... Which makes the Vanguards take more damage.
Agreed. Had a widow hawk combo on enemy team and solution was just iron fist and spider man. While they are crazy good againist any other dps they were useless against iron fist. @@HoloKirby
Hanzo was perfect from the beginning. Got ruined in ow 2.
? Fixed widow? She didn't on tap to start
Domaine extension : The entire baobab is one arrow
What I am getting from this is, unless you're full health, you ain't surviving.
Which your are a lot
Especially how strong healers are
@@lag00n54lol which healer is so strong? Every healer is outclassed by a tanks self heal ability
@@Infaalsoswhat are you talking about? What tank has self healing besides peni
@@Infaalsoswhat tank can even self heal? I guess hulk when he ults but other than that they really only have shielding via bonus health or reinhardt style shields
@satonut5937I know Peni can when standing in her web but it ain’t healing that’s gonna stand up to any dps assault
I present to you, Mantis. Suddenly Black Widow can one shot again.
Only 250 HP targets. Not a 275 HP Luna even.
Widow actually sucks.
At some point they will sites access to winrates and everyone with Widow PTSD will see the facts.
She needs buffs in the Game where others do her Job way better. Like the busted Hawkeye with actual oneshots and that Hela no scope-limitation spam bot.
@@YourTamedLion Widow is fine, its that Hawkeye and Hela are massive problems, everybody is saying the same thing
I thought her damage couldn't be buffed in any way to guarantee she never 1-taps.
Doesn't work
@matthewhamilton2913yeah i think other snipers need to be brought to her level
this is why Hawkeye is so much better 😭 his projectile is massive + headshots can consistently kill supports and most dps
They really need to increase his charge time and make it so he can’t keep charge between targets
His projectile sizes arent big at all. Its not like overwatch where u can shoot a whole foot above them. The actual arrow has to hit in this game
Hit scan vs. Projectile is a big difference
@@joshv7663it’s massive
His full charge body shot does almost as much black widows headshot does
this reminds me of that family Guy cutaway where Black Widow's power is kicking
I really do love Black widow because by giving her not a 1 shot, but also the run and kick... that means she often just proves her entire character aesthetic; this trained assassin with a gun that may not be enough to completely dominate. I'll retouch on that later, but like having her run in, jump, quickscope, then kick? That is so her.
As for the Bolt action sfx? Crisp. Clean. Icy. I love it.
Looooove the sfx on her, I'd play her just for that.
so no one's gonna talk about that cake?
i think we've had so much, it's basically Paris
“She cannot hit you and then quickly finish you off” 💀 he said as all the cake is on full display 🤣🤣 definitely can argue on that point
Its pixels
@@nineofive.2573 such a brave take 🫡
I'd get finished in one shot with cake 😂
This is so much better, that way Black Widow will end stragglers rather than win by clicking on heads.
Instead of picking of full health enemies, target the low health ones for guaranteed kills. She does so much dmg that even healing can't keep up if they have like 50% health.
@@SyLuX636 „low health“ did you see how much damage she does?
Why does everyone think she’s perfectly well designed, just because she *almost has a one shot instead of an actual one shot.
@zuckergolf4442 If she could one-shot, everyone who doesn't wanna do teamwork would play Widow to get solo frags. Instead, she can cooperate with her team to get kills.
@@MoniNuevathere are characters that 1-2 tap in the blink of an eye.
glad there’s a 1 shot on a projectile character in a third person game
where you can’t crouch, forgot to add that part :p
crosshair at head level, spam, profit.
I'm kinda just putting this everywhere so people know and I'm bored
Galactica is Galactus' TEENAGE daughter, and the lore behind the game is that she's eating the timestream bs left behind after the fights in game instead of planets.
(Source: Your Biggest Fan gallery page, unlocked by getting 80 point thingies in the Galactica's Guide tab)
Ty for your hard work and dedication to the lore now i know why shes there sad we can play her but now i know more about the game
It's weird that they would put basic context lore like that behind an unlock reward? You WANT people to feel immersed in your game. Why withhold that? Up front the game lacks that "why are we even here" lore flavor.
I love when game developers know solutions can also be game mechanics. It's such a good blend so far
How? They make her gun terrible so she can sacrifice herself and trade 1v1 every single time? Huh
The solution was to make her garbage and pretty much unplayably bad? Her kit is by a good margin one of the weakest in the whole game. Just say you don't like the idea of snipers in general and you're glad that marvel rivals pre-nerfed her into oblivion.
A sniper character that not only doesn't oneshot with a headshot but also rewards you for hitting things like close range trick shots with a kill combo off it without punishing playing her as a more classical sniper character is honestly impressive.
“They FIXED WIDOW”
Hawkeye: HOLD MY BEER!
Every enemy falls to the "One-Two" punch of a pair of Widows working together.
She's functions how a hero shooter sniper should. Finish enemies that are low hp and help the tank/vanguard facilitate map control
Map control? What are you smoking? In what universe does her worthless kit give map control when Hawkeye is better in EVERY WAY. Not to mention tanks and healers alike don't give a fuck about her shit dps. Her only damage is on a headshot and that is NOT easy in this game where most of the roster has extremely high mobility. She has a worthless ult too while we are at it. Her kit is straight up just worse hawkeye. She's so bottom of the barrel that I would personally be offended by any teammates picking her up inside of any other champs. Even Jeff is a better sniper and he is a support. 😂
@smittywerganyangermanjense145 yes... Facilitate map control... If you could read this wouldn't be hard. A sniper in a team shooter shouldn't one shot unless a target is weak. Her headshots are incredibly forgiving unless you're just ass at aiming. Hawkeye being better doesn't change the fact that snipers should operate a certain way in these types of games. You used non-sequitors to argue incredibly terrible points lmao.
@@smittywerganyangermanjense145 Being at 1 HP, while not as bad as being at 0, is SIGNIFICANTLY worse than being at 100% HP. I can't help you if that math doesn't make sense.
The no-scope having perfect acurracy but woth falloff is a good design. I like that
And then comes hela who can kill almost anyone from any range with two headshots lol
Hela needs dmg falloff, maybe not severe like in overwatch, but at least 20-30% weaker dmg so you need to land 3 headshots if you want to kill someone from 60+ meters 😁
@@EdgeOfDarknezz Have you ever tried to hit someone's head with Hela from 60m away? You have to line up your 1 pixel hurtbox with their 1 pixel hitbox, without scope. Now add movement (you are moving when Hela shoots you, right?) The two are not remotely comparable.
I can't focus on what he's saying.. Maker help me.
FOCUS. GYATT IS TEMPORARY
@@danielchin4198 but gooning is forever
Bro thinks we in the new ultimate universe 😂
So, use the rest of your kit. Or be a good team sniper and make picks on weakened targets. HOW HAS BLIZZARD FUMBLED WIDOWMAKER SO BADLY OVER THE YEARS whilst marvel comes along and hits the nail on the head 😂
hardly hitting it on the head 🥴
Idk about that. A sniper that can noscope with full damage and has a one shot combo up close.
Her presence will still deny massive amounts of space, since she does so much burst damage and can’t be realistically contested at her effective range. She’s way better against dive since she can run, has her kick and can no scope.
Why give her a sniper tho?
@@emerywoods624what else would they do? Punisher already has multiple guns and giving her a run, kick and only the batons is very bad especially because of her low health and you practically need a sniper in every team shooter
@@emerywoods624Shes an assassin and BW has had multiple comics in which she uses a sniper
The hero designers on this game are on something bro. Widow, scarlet, warlock, & peni are the most beautifully designed heroes I've seen in any game ever.
Oh please you know exactly what they were thinking of.
And that's the only reason OW was relevant for a long time
@kein115 Well yeah they did a lot of stuff that overwatch already did but I think they did it better. Black widow specifically is just widowmaker but better imo. They solved damn near everything that people complained about widowmaker for.
@@sparrowcf wait you were talking about their kit for gameplay?
@@kein115 Oh yeah I was. I get what you meant now lol.
@@sparrowcf this was fun, cuz non of us is wrong
"[Something] isn't [Something] in [insert full game title]" always sounds like one of those fake mobile game ads
But they made Hawkeye basically Hanzo
When the sniper cant rely on just sniper- "They fixed the snoipah!!!!"
Fr, people apparently don't want a sniper to work like a sniper.
@@Immortal_playzsit's the bronze players crying widowmaker in overwatch is broken because her only useful bit of kit is strong if you can aim, yet ignore the fact the entire roster counters her and a single kiriko or genji makes her literally useless
“They fixed widow”
So this is kinda like the Warhammer Space Marine Sniper. It's either you soften up enemies of finish them
Then mantis comes along and all the sudden she's even stronger than widow maker 😊
That damage amp is the only thing I can even imagine that would make black widow feel decent. Otherwise she just simply is outclassed by 95% of the roster (storm is also equipped with a really mediocre kit tbh. Giving her piercing shots instead of better aoe damage through chain lightning or something makes NO SENSE for a character designed for arial combat. They only use for storm is to buff your team and be an arguably worse damage amp champ than mantis
TF2 Sniper: Prancin' show-pony...
I told one of my friends that loved sniper characters to: “Just play Hawkeye”, since he can do basically on what widow does but significantly better, even defend himself in CQB better than Widow.
With how heavily people seem to favor stacking together with their team to push, Hawkeye just does it all better than her. If you want an easy pick as Widow, you basically have to linger and wait for squishier chars to be low enough to headshot/pick off while they’re low while *also* combatting healing. Good luck getting that chance when they’re all stacked together with the medic going crazy on the heals. With Hawkeye, you get one well placed headshot and you get your kill easy.
Black Widow one shots any squishy that is not full health. They dont need to be low or even half health, they just need a sliver of damage for her to instantly kill them. She doesn't have a problem with actually getting kills if the player knows how to aim, considering everyone always has some sort of damage during a team fight.
I will agree tho that Hawkeye is better, but only because he shoots his arrows so much faster.
@@Mr_Psktla I just think the one shot capability makes him that much better. In a situation where a full health player gets headshot by a Hawkeye vs Widow, the Widow has to hope a player picks them off immediately after, where with Hawkeye you just get the kill.
Hawkeye can one shot, this is true. But in my experience, Widow is easier to use. Her kit is simple, and while her weapon doesn’t one tap you, it does a decent amount of damage.
I find her perfectly balanced and fun to play.
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@@eiji862there isn’t a single soul in diamond elo that’s banning widow. She is objectively worse than Hawkeye in every conceivable way.
I fucking love Jayce’s ‘youdidn’tsaytheywerefromtheundercity!!!’
That same energy of widow can kick ass meanwhile all heroes also can kick ass
They didn’t fix widow, they made her unplayable
Fun fact about Black Widow's gun: if you look closely at her animations, it is not a bolt action sniper rifle, but a pump action sniper rifle.
Bro is spitting facts
This implies the game is played in a vacuum in the chaos of a real match you will rarely be at full hp from her teammates
She cant finish us off quickly? 🤨
"They fixed widow" can be put as "they did it so no one wanna play snipers"
is incredible how Hawkeye kills one shot headshot with an arrow but guns don't.
Tbf, there are a lot of stories where someone gets shot in the head and survives. With arrows, on the other hand...
I know that mostly, if not all, of the people who got shot that survived were not hit with a rifle, but I just wanted to make a point (even if not THAT plausible)
@@alguem_comentandotbf a normal gun can shoot like 5 times faster, isn't heavy, is easy to use, and if you have a rifle... Yeah any gun beats a bow. They're both deadly, but one fires faster andddddd isn't a giant spotable weapon made of wood that also takes forever to reload. A person with a bow versus someone with a gun is easy. The gun wins
@@PixellFighter yeah, if the first shot doesn't resolve...the next one thousand sure will XD
Damn that distraction is prominent 😂 I am loving it.
She do got that cake tho
Or...or....you can play her as a distant support sniper...but that's just me using my brain cells and thinking outside of the box.
god damn it I have to re-watch the short because I didn't understand what is going on because I was focus on....her gun
"aight, im about to get the sniper pick"
*(X) ROUNDHOUSE*
Damage boost 😮
this is honestly great, its not a COMPLETE wipe but it pretty much is
That gyatt one shot my eye though
Body shot>Kick>Body shot>Grappling hook is fast and will usually finish off any 300hp divers, assuming their healer wasn't nearby of course.
Well you gotta remember, she's not a sniper. She uses many forms of weapons and combat in lore.
I play Black Widow and i noticed that too but its very possible to finish someone off quickly even if you dont scope the head if you aim it right you can two shot some dps and supports, shes insane plus its satisfying seeing that kill confirm.
How often are ppl full hp during team fights
Often. Especially with how good cloak and dagger or a Mantis/Luna Snow comp is. You either kill the healers first, or rely on a 1 shot combo to get picks.
Healing is busted in this game. So very often people are full HP.
@@Voodoo_Occasions I'm sorry to inform you that your teams are shit. They need to learn how to left-click before playing shooting games. As a healer main, our healing doesn't warp back in time to put our teammates back at full health before they drop below 100%.
nah whoever came up with widowmaker = blackwidow is the same energy as AWP = Op 😭😭
they want people to call her widow so its seamless
That's much better 😅
The amount of headshots ive landed on supports and dps where they should have died, just for them to be full health 0.5 seconds laser is insane. I would then have to land 10 more shots on 1 person to even kill them.
I know people are hyped because it is Marvel and a new Game, but i genuinely think the design behind the Game, the mechanics and the direction they are taking is really really good
Pretty much a good solution, encourage the whole move set and team plays
What’s nice though is she isn’t bad. She’s not trash or a bad pick she’s, but she isn’t op. Just an overall solid and fun character
When others are OP then being "not OP" makes you the worst.
That is why everyone has her as the clear WORST range DPS in the entire game.
She sucks.
This focuses on the scenario where an enemy has taken 0 damage from any other source when in reality most folks will be slightly tagged with damage
But The hero identity is lost on her Hawkeye has a One shot why not black widow too ???
Black Widows hero identity is a one shot and not being a Comic Book Assassin?😂
because hackeye requres you to track the enemy for multiple seconds and then hit a headshot.
@@cindrblok7948leading a predicted shot is much easier than micro tracking on hitscan
y'all sure love throwing that hero identity phrase around lmao, shit justifies anything
@@lemongrab1423Fr she’s not a sniper in the movies or comics she uses her bracelets and twin uzis
Honestly this is how sniper characters should be, deals a lot of damage and can easily kill characters that have already been damaged but can't one shot full health characters and allows for people to both try to heal and live after being shot or try to take out the sniper. This not only helps give counter play to snipers but also allows for snipers to be incorporated into team strategies (Having a sniper help finish of retreating characters for example.)
Watch widow maker in OW get updated to copy this design
If it works, why not? Should they not improve their game?
@m4x927 they had how many years again to address her? You won't catch me praise them if their solution is to ctrl c + ctrl v
That would literally take away her only useful thing. Without one shot what does widowmaker do that any other DPS or support doesn't?
@@josh6689 hit scan that can secure damage from any range without any drop off and you argue she needs a 1 shot kill to have identity? Funny. OW players truly get the game they deserve and it's called shit
me alive after widow's bolt action futuristic energy sniper just went through my skull vs hawkeye flicking his shit
"significant delay"
Yeah, that 1 whole second is really bad.
In a genre of games where TTK's regularly dip below that one second, and are sometimes just actual one-shots, that is a colossal difference.
Cut to widow frantically spraying her sniper in full auto mode and dying immediately
FINALLY A SNIPER CHARACTER THATS NOT JUST POINT CLICK INSTANT KILL THEN ACT LIKE YOURE ACTUALLY ANY GOOD
I've never gotten into this, looks very cool tho
hawkeye is gonna pretend he DIDNT hear this!
"The TF2 yapping community would like to have a word with you"
they fix shit, they just do a discounted shotgun character
“Fixed widow” by making it shit
This explains why a widow ran in on me as strange and kicked me out of no where
Me as a wolverine main: “me like tank. Me take tank with me”
I'd say they fixed her if people actually play her, but if nobody plays her, it goes back to the drawing board
and THIS, is how you prevent Sniper bots
“It’s bolt action”
*pumps gun*
and they did it in a way people are gonna love, right? bolt action, quick scoping, fancy parkour? they know what we as gamers want.
Black Widow got that Vi from Arcane look
Gets 20% damage boost when you have a hawk eye
Remind me of Family guy cutout "they asked what is Widow's super power, she said kicking" and in here she finished her opponent with a kick
I love how everyone just seems to not remember that black widow has a full melee combo and Hawkeye does not. That's what differs them from each other, and why there's a disparity in damage
"the trailer was bait" say it to us rocket mains again
What’s funny is the same people who were mad a one shot made it into the game saw widow doesn’t one shot, and went straight to playing Hawkeye (the only hero that can one shot).
as ive already frequently said, if you're using Black Widow as a pure sniper, you have fallen for the trap.
Havent played but seems like she’s a good choice to do a large burst of damage to multiple targets in succession for others to finish quickly with a lower damage output but higher survivability
The moment I saw Hawkeye I knew he’d be a problem.
This is so ironic considering almost everyone has a kill voiceline for killing Widow cuz she's a sniper
As a loki main I can confirm she can one shot me at full health
I wasn't going to play the game but the cacke conviced me now.
It seems her sniping is reserved for low HP targets that're trying to find cover.
Sure she cant one hit you, but the Iron Fist coming up on the backline will sure as hell finish you off.
They’ve mastered making a broken character tame
Nah they just made her bad
Widowmaker isnt broken unless you're trash, widowmaker is countered by the entire overwatch roster, can one shot but that's all she provides to the team. Apart from getting picks (assuming you can aim) she does nothing.
All it takes is a support, or DPS, or range tank who can aim and widowmaker is dead. All it takes is a DPS like genji or a support like kiriko and she's dead/useless, all it takes is rein and widowmaker is again useless.
The people who say shes broken and is a problem are in silver or bronze
@@josh6689 You're right, pro players playing for their income just pick her for fun, not because she's good.
Finally marvel giving us some good visuals
Damn, I thought that was overwatch for a second
This is the correct way to do a sniper character in a game like this. Either that or a long charge up, none of this 0.2 second widow sniper charge up.
How do you make a sniper character who can't 1-shot kill anyone? it's like adding a pistol and calling it a sniper
Black widow is just in the game to finish heroes off
Pause
As the guy who plays sniper in any game the factor is you're not the one who will be killing the targets not all the time it's your job to weaken the target so your teammates can finish them
I like the fact that no matter what, Widow is still a problem. Having almost all your health drained is something to retreat for. Plus, if you don’t have full health, this guarantees your death still. To top it off, she doesn’t need to approach, she’s a sniper, one shot or not. Oh yeah, plus Hawkeye exists