Hello everyone! A few weeks ago, I noticed my wife was reading the Steve Jobs biography. A voice in my head said "hey, he worked for Atari didn't he?" This prompted us to make an episode all about it! As always, if you learned something, please share! Big episode coming in a few weeks.
Gaming Historian to be honest i find Steve Wozniak more interesting, the guy used to write programs in machine language and at the same time was the most naive and nice guy in the world, he is really something special. Great video though.
Gaming Historian your research and videos are above standard. Such a shame to wait on such interesting content but man is it a treat when it does launch. This was a good one, thank you.
@@jonathangoodman9089 I had no idea jobbs was such a douche when he was younger lol. & then he NEVER even fessed up & apologized? Like come on man. Hes the one who made him do it in only 4 days because he wanted that money asap.
3:55 "And occasionally inviting his friend, Steve Wozniak over to help him with the more technical aspects of the job." In other words, Jobs invited Woz over to do his work for him (which Jobs was incapable of doing) and then screwed him (Woz) out of his hard earned money for finishing the job. Between that, and denying Lisa as his paternal daughter, Steve Jobs was a disgusting example of a human being.
Norm is very much misrepresenting this point. Woz never claimed to have done all of Jobs' work for him. Jobs' main duty was sautering and wire-wrapping, stuff which is usually already laid out by other technical staff (the specific individual in this case being Don Lang).
Cala Content Jobs was 19 and was poor. Woz who was 5 years older was already an engineer for HP. In addition, Jobs worked for Atari - Woz didn't. So whatever payment that Jobs received, it was technically all his. Jobs told Woz to split the payment half and half, which he did, but he never mentioned splitting the bonus. It is dishonest but really not that big of a deal. I find it funny that Woz only learned about it 10 years later when he was already a multimillionaire. If he had learnt it sooner, he wouldn't partner with Jobs, and Woz would be just a nobody because there would be no Apple.
@@alphazar And Jobs would be an unemployable guy probably living in a van in Santa Monica pretending at being a religious guru. People talk about Woz getting screwed because Jobs rode his talent and only became what he was because of Wozniak. Without the man Jobs would be what he was, a know nothing flash in the pan loud mouth that could only get by on luck and flash.
I've always wondered why people have represented Steve as a good person when he obviously was not. Any man that would screw a friend over like this is not someone who I would want in my life.
silicon valley does a good job at lambasting the character of steve jobs in gavin belson. megalomania, deception, pettiness and pretentiousness. steve jobs may have been a "dreamer," but it all stops there. asshole never built anything!!! the woz was the real genius behind the reemergence of apple.
I don't hate Jobs for being as self entitled hippie that lied his way through life, I hate him for what he did to Wonzniak. Wozniak was truly a nice guy, a genius, and really good at Tetris.
@@trifecta9810 At least Gates was a brilliant coder since his youth. Jobs had zero skills, he could barely assist his father in law putting together a radioshack kit following a manual and beta testing Woz's work.
He already basically told the story of Woz in a games context through this. Woz never worked at a games company and he never led a significant hardware platform post Apple II.
You know, we've gotten a few films both documentary and "based on a true story" about Steve Jobs. Honestly, I kinda wanna see a Steve Wozniak feature film, where Woz is actually the main character we're following. Am I the only one who wants that or am I just nuts to think that?
Woz has said he's turned down the offers, probably because they care more about cashing in than making something interesting. He's said he loved Pirates of Silicon Valley because it portrayed the feeling of the times so well, like the protests at Berkeley. To make a real Woz film, you'd have to make it funny, because he was all about being lively.
he deserves more recognition I agree, but I don't think he wants it, he's ok, he's got millions, and a pretty good life I would say... plus he has a street named after him in downtown san jose, "woz way" which is pretty cool
The way he treated the mother of his child, as well as denied emotional and financial support to his child, is reprehensible behavior. He may have been a "genius" but he was an exceedingly cruel malignant narcissist who believed he was "enlightened" and "chosen" thus "more important" than any other human being around him. He was often crushingly vicious to people he sensed were "weak" and, in fact, saw people who extended tenderness and sensitivity towards others as bearing "the hallmark of a loser". He rewarded sadists and fired nice people. This is a fact, and it's highly documented...and he was even worse to women. Some the things he did to women are too disgusting to post here without started a "comment war", so I won't. He was, for want of better words, a total asshole.
Actually, he read some book that was probably written by a jackass about the fruitarian diet. That is where he got the idea about not showering. Sometime after Apple was founded, dealings and negotiations occurred that eventually resulted in Jobs caring more about his hygiene.
@@_Hadda that's pretty much "business" in today's world. You should read Gus Russo's book "Supermob" -- he basically lays out how the mafia and American corporations formed alliances in the 40s and 50s. The mob got to launder their money in the "legit" businesses, and the businesses got access to the mob's extensive networks for hiding money overseas. That's the basic secret to the "Panama Papers" -- they're just a reprise of the Castle Bank scandal in the early 70s, with even a lot of the same people involved in both situations.
Man, your videos are always such a great way to unwind, relax and learn a little bit - even on subjects I already know about, you end up coming across with a piece of information I didn't know about. Great job on this video, the quality seemed a little higher than usual even.
I saw Steve Wozniak recently at a public interview event. He still spoke of Steve Jobs in high regard and was still sympathetic to him. I don't know why, he stiffed him out of money and stole his ideas and took credit for it. He never had a real understanding of engineering. It was a strange relationship.
Glad to see another story telling the truth about how Jobs as kind of a piece of shit. Dude was just really good at manipulating brilliant people to make him look brilliant himself.
It is impossible to produce exceptional high quality content continuously, but you continue to do the impossible. I am always in awe of how much care is put into each of your videos.
These videos help to bring to light what an amazing person Steve Wozniak was and is. Among the many things Woz wanted beefier computers with longer life and was a fervent supporter of the Apple program for schools.
Great video. I've heard bits and pieces of this in the past. Better title would be "Before Apple: Steve Wozniak at Atari | Gaming Historian", because the truth is Woz carried Jobs into success. He was one lucky, arrogant joker who just happened to find a kind, lovable genius who could put up with Jobs. I do believe they needed each other to make what they accomplished, but in those early days Woz was 100% as important as Jobs in making Apple and Breakout for Atari.
Woz and Jobs both carried each other into success. Jobs' assholery definitely makes him look like the demon in their relationship, but in the end Woz knew he needed Jobs just as much as Jobs needed Woz. Neither would have gotten far without the other, and they both knew it. That's why Woz's words-and tears-were real at the news of Jobs' death. * ua-cam.com/video/qL1OsHZ-hXc/v-deo.html
George Henson I admit it's completely speculative but I have always had the hunch that Jobs could read a wire diagram, solder chips and do maybe basic board design. Not much else. Even if he subbed out his work to Woz, the "ingenious" work was all Woz which was done for Atari. Whether directly or indirectly, Woz was working for Atari.
I have the Biography and have been following Apple for about 10 years and while I knew every fact in this video is always nice to have it summarised in such a way. I can't wait till the next video
a few months ago while I was at this girls house I was seeing, her and her ex husband lived together in the house, but he was cool, didn't mind, plus he wasn't around much, anyway his mom lived with them and she was ill and they were helping her out, anyway she comes up to me one time while I'm there in the kitchen and starts a conversation, and she's really nice and still looks good for her age, I believe she was 71, you wouldn't know she was sick to look at her, so we're talking and I told her I was originally from san jose, then she brings up living in sunnyvale and working at atari one summer as an intern or temp out of college at the front desk kind of thing, so she goes on to say that this arrogant, annoying, smelly (BO) bearded guy (I think she said barefooted too lol but maybe not) comes in and complains about her car, I think she had a beattle, and he said those are bad for the environment and talked crap about it, and she's from jersey so she wasn't going to take any crap from anybody so she goes "yeah that's my car so what" and he kinda backs down cuz he thought she was hot, so he tries to ask her out and she basically shrugged him off, like whatever u gross full crap hippy lol ... of course later she found out it was steve jobs, but she didn't care, his attitude was enough for any sane woman to stay away
My dad actually met him and spent a little time with him briefly. While the stories of how difficult he could be to work with are likely true, my dad says he was extremely inviting and friendly even though he certainly didn't have to be. The first thing Jobs did when they met was coax out precisely how my dad liked his coffee and make it for him lol; if there's one thing Jobs had a gift for, it was figuring out what a person wants and supplying that desire. I just wanted to share that little anecdote, as there's been some strange backlash lately (which is generally true of anyone who receives adulation) where he's being painted as something of a monster, and that really seems to be overblown. He was undoubtedly hard to work with (as perfectionists generally are), but there's much more to him than that. Very cool video btw; I was actually familiar with his stint in Atari and, when I told my dad and his friends that Jobs had actually helped create the game Breakout (a game they all recognized once I'd described it to them) they were shocked lol, he has one heck of a deep resume'.
I think steve was a good person outside of apple. I know some of the people who are terror when managing their business. Their personality changed when it comes to business but when outside of work they are very friendly. Just don't work on that kind of people.
Innovator and game changer - who never made or was capable of making anything. His success sounds like his ability to get close to people and exploit them.
In the grand scheme of things, Woz used Jobs just as much as Jobs used Woz. Woz knew he needed Jobs' own skillset in order to succeed. But both knew that they were using each other to forward their own careers, and that's why they stayed friends for as long as they did... and that's why everything Woz said about Jobs, as well as Woz's tears, at the news of Jobs' death were real. * ua-cam.com/video/qL1OsHZ-hXc/v-deo.html People just don't think Woz USED Jobs because Woz is such a "nice guy", and he is... but Woz also knows how to use his "nice guy" position to make him look good. Deep down, Woz totally used Jobs for his success all the same.
Woz didn't use Jobs so much as saw him as a PARTNER. This is where the 2 met an impasse, since Jobs was an asshole human who didn't care about the people in his life while Woz thought they were pals who happened to be in business together.
In this sense, it's true, because something that I can totally agree about Jobs is that he was a genius... on marketing and selling. There's a bunch of really talented people out there inside corporations that have their work underappreciated by their bosses. In this regard Woz had luck in having Jobs as his "friend", a person that always accepted his creations and did all he could to sell it (while cashing the majority of profits).Really, I don't understand why he is called a visionary, a technological visionary, I don't thing that he deserves this titles when the majority of his attempts were burrowed and executed from other. If Jobs was a visionary what we can the people on Xerox?
"entrepreneur"......ya, well he was also a huge asshole to his family and he barely even resembled a father. I heard that he wouldn't even pay for his kids tuition into college because working minimum wage is a "learning experience". this is true, but to an extent.
ZiKoN22 it took him 9 years before he acknowledged his daughter, even after a DNA test, while she and her mother were on wellfare. Jobs was a horrible person.
Out of every Chanel I subscribe to, gaming historian is the only one that I watch every single video from. I love the content. Norman, this video was awesome as always. My financial situation Is about to change and when it does, I'd like gaming historian to be the first Chanel I support on patreon
Why is it that every time I find a behind-the-scenes story about Steve Jobs, it's almost always him being a talentless hack that rides the coattails of others?
Fun fact (that has probably already been mentioned): Breakout ended up as kind of an easter egg on the original iPod. Remember discovering and playing it back in 2001.
As an engineer myself I can say that having a vision for the future is just as important as having the ability to program something. What good is having engineering skills if you don't know what you should be applying those skills to? Like it or not, Jobs understood the relationship between humans and technology better than most. That is why Apple is the one of the richest companies in the world.
I love the ending of your videos. Now every time I am done watching it, I feel smarter. I feel like I just learned something very important on PBS. Thanks Norm.
Man, sometimes the 70s and 80s seem like a different world to me. Could you imagine just showing up at say, Besthesda or, dear lord, one of the Japanese giants (Nintendo, Sony, etc.), smelling like shit and demanding a job with no skills whatsoever? Hell, imagine doing that at Apple now!
Well for one, Atari was a growing company, not an established name. Second, they were looking for laborers. Alcorn probably embellishes the story slightly here in terms of Jobs basically having no idea what he was walking into. Atari was desperately trying to get more people in the 73-74 period.
Most companies in the 70s and 80s would've tossed Jobs out on his ass. But Atari and Bushnell and a lot of Atari executives were just as big of hippies as Jobs was. It was a very laid back and liberal company. They had company meetings in hot tubs and smoked pot in the warehouses. So Jobs was right at home, though Atari people still valued good hygiene
As an unemployed artist trying to get into any sort of media industry I can find an opening to, it's things like this that give me glimmers of hope, small as they may be.
This story has been around forever and a day, most real computer people/computer engineers knew Steve Jobs was a joke and a horrible person. They only would work for him for the money and for the prestige of being an Apple employee. Jobs made exactly nothing...not one thing did he truly ever make himself it was 100% wozniak the whole time. He is one of those people who love to solve problems (engineering wise.) and was almost OCD about it. Jobs knew this and took advantage of it. He did exactly bupkis at Atari. He was at the end of things just a great salesman and re-brander...stole a lot of ideas from others or took bits of conversations he would have with software/hardware engineers working under him and then combine them in his head and then take full credit for those ideas himself. This led to many of the engineers at Apple to quit after learning their ideas would be stolen and all they would receive is a small bonus check along with their regular pay. He would often go on tirades against those who would speak up and tried to blackball many of them if they did leave. He was a leech and all around horses arse. Glad the jerk is dead.
3 years too late but it's worth noting that his arrogance was his undoing in the end. Thought he was so much smarter than the doctors and checked out early.
I'm crying because you have such good videos and I'm so disappointed it's been a month since your last one. I came across your channel, binged on it more than once and have been wanting more.
It’s nice that Wozniak showed a lot of sympathy for Jobs. Yes, Jobs wasn’t perfect but without him you wouldn’t be reading my comment or be watching this video. Jobs perfected how we use technology & while he was a bit arrogant he did help with the biggest video game company at the time.
It's clear Jobs had some morality issues. I've always believed that over time those things eat away at our soul and our health. People think they're getting away with being an asshole, but they're not.
It's nice watching a full video without an ad break popping up in the middle of the video and ruining it. It's hard to believe how greedy some of these other UA-camrs can be.
Strange use of the word "innovator". "Thief" or "leech" would probably be more apt. Anyone else who didn't have the cult of personality around them like Jobs did would be subject to far more scrutiny over his suspect career.
God this is still my favorite UA-cam channel. It's awesome when these videos pop up, because it's like just when I forget about gaming historian, a new vid pops up as a most pleasant surprise. These vids are always worth the wait
Great vid. I like your exploring of subjects. And I really the last line in this vid connecting this story to video games. Video games: Is there anything they can't do?
Ideas for Future episodes: * History of MECC (The Popular Educational Games company of the 1980s and early 1990s). They had hits like Oregon Trail, Jenny's Journeys, and Odell Lake. * History of Dance Dance Revolution * History of the evolution of Pinball * History of Skee Ball * History of Sega vs Accolade (The first Reverse Engineering Case when it comes to video games) * The Tetris Licensing Saga (About who's Tetris went on what system): Involves Electronorgtechnica, Mirrorsoft, Bullet Proof Software, Nintendo, Atari, Tengen, and others. * The Mario Party Controller Recall * History of the Bongos Controller for Gamecube * History of the evolution of Anti-Piracy Systems in video games * History of Capcom and the evolution of street fighting games.
Not mentioned: the relationship between Jobs and Woz is very similar to that of Nolan Bushnell and Ted Dabney. Bushnell was the business man/visionary, Dabney the brilliant mind who did all the technical work.
eh..... Tesla actually had a relationship with George Westinghouse, during his most productive period. The "wizard of menlo park" was a real inventor, a brilliant engineer, but Edison never pretended to be a physicist or to be an expert in every field of science so he hired people like Tesla for specific projects. Certainly Edison himself was built up in the public's imagination as this great inventor. But that's just how people are -- that's why they called him "wizard", because they couldn't understand the basic nature of scientific work. Likewise, people who imagine that Tesla was some kind of "wizard" are making the same error. By the time Tesla came along, it was impossible for one human being to have expertise in every field of science or to produce any sort of unified theory of physics -- if Tesla proved anything in the last 30 or 40 years of his career, he proved that it was not possible to do what he was pretending to do.
I've always felt bad for Wozniak, though successful he deserved so much for his work and the praise/accolades that the public usually heaps onto Jobs, whom was nothing more than a glorified marketer (charlatan).
That's one thing I can't fault Jobs for - Woz clearly is not about fame and money, so the arrangement that they had worked out for them where Woz got to devote his life to the computers while Jobs got to have his ego fed to death.
+Xavier Roberts You're either an idiot or a Jobs fanboy, I can't decide which but the crap you post is historically incorrect nonsense. Wozniak made the Apple II GS which had incredible performance for it's day (and even innovative features to this day ua-cam.com/video/mADvFDkJqvU/v-deo.html ) but Jobs undermined his project in order for "his" shittier project to succeed. It wasn't even a business decision as the GS was superior in almost every way, it was about Jobs' ego. Visionary my ass. Jobs proceeded to bully and cheat Wozniak behind the scenes at Apple. Once a weasel, always a weasel. Ideas are cheap - Wozniak should have found himself another "visionary" to work with.
I was born in Santa Clara. My mom worked at Atari. I got free games and she would take me into the office sometimes around 1982. There was a little Atari store there too. I assumed all cities had that and that all kids had a similar thing going on.
ReikuHidori Steve had cancer for over 20 years, it really isn’t a fact if he waited too long but rather the cancer did. Jobs more than likely didn’t see any threat and I don’t blame him. Living 20 years with something that most people die in less than 2 years from would desensitize a lot of people.
cancer treatment is like killing flies with a shotgun while drunk & on drugs. It almost never work & even if you hit the fly there's gonna be more eventually. I hate how people have this blind faith in Chemotherapy / rays. I get that you're desperate but you are using old Chemical weapons / deadly radiations to "Cure" yourself, it's bound to fail. You'd have better survival rates swimming out of a pool full of sharks. Why is it that people try to rationalize kill fire with fire when it doesn't even work 99% of the time? I mean if you're handed a death sentence you don't speed up the process by shooting yourself in the foot do you? It's the mentality of hoping for the best, but if that's what you're going for you might as well try Changing your life style & diet instead seeing how your odds are the same minus the fatal symptoms that you suffer from cancer treatment. It just rubs me the wrong way that so many argue that cancer treatment is the definite solution, that's all.
I like Apple devices and I like Nintendo handhelds and consoles, but Steve Jobs really seemed like a ass the way he was described here (still a good and informative video!) I always thought someone like Satoru Iwata was like the Steve Jobs of gaming. I don't think I'll ever make that comparison again between them thanks to this video. Iwata was more like Steve Wozniak, a loyal, intelligent and hardworking person.
Iwata was like Iwata, he was a once in a lifetime kind of guy. It's going to be a long time before that much talent, intelligence, and empathy will coalesce into a single person again
i've never really understood America's love of steve jobs. i've always thought he was kind of a shitty person and not really that brilliant. but i've only understood through the way media has portrayed him.
He was rich so Americans idolize him. It is that simple....in American society if you make money then you are amazing. Doesn't matter how you got the money, once you got it you are a hero.
Well told sir! One of the best descriptions of the breakout controversy I've heard. The $700 "job" payment was split, and the bonus was pocketed by only Jobs. Nice mix of sources too.
Steve Jobs had imagination but the actual tech and main effort was done by the engeneers working for him. Steve couldnt even write a simple line of program, he just had a visual idea so all the props go to the team involved, not Jobs.
tough subject with the Woz. I've seen folks just go crazy when something negative is said about Jobs. Heck I somewhat equivocated on the subject myself, so you're coverage is very much needed. Glad to see you're willing to hit those gritty points. Keep up the good work!
I just never considered anything Jobs has done to be that impressive, aside from making Apple successful. But that story about reducing the number of chips to the point that nobody understood anything about it? That is so Wozniak. Sure, Jobs kept on doing what he did to the very end, but I just don't think that he was that special. I mean no disrespect to him though. May he rest in peace, of course.
Man after reading allot of the comments to this video makes me super happy. You guys and gals brightened my day. Seeing Jobs get called what he was, a vile piece of fucking trash that should be forgotten then remembered, brightened my entire day. I despise Apple, and would LOVE NOTHING MORE THAN TO SEE THEM GONE..... FOREVER.
im no apple fan, and i have never owned apple stuff (only PC and android) , but i think their stuff was and is always quite cutting edge! sure it is always more expensive but their computers they made were always pretty top notch, and the phones too. Ofcourse i didnt like it since i want to use third party stuff, but still i recognized it was some good hardware. oh wait, i realize you probably mean the last few years, yeah nothing very cutting edge has come out recently
raafmaat the iPhones now are a year behind in tech sadly. Macs are still pretty great as far as I can tell (I have a custom PC and Android stuff as well, so I haven't used a mac in a year or so)
I've been an Apple user between 1982-2007... they've ALWAYS been about looks. For example, the Snow White design language dominated Apple design during the 80's and early 90's.
It's weird, I actually kind of look up to Jobs. We all know that he was a detestable human being who treated those around him like dirt, abandoned and pretended his daughter didn't exist for years, and took credit for a lot of things he had very little to do with. A bit of a Messiah complex, really. But he's also a guy that was able to find openings, snatch opportunities, and position himself like no one else. A college drop-out with no technical skills, but became the face of modern technology. I just find it extremely fascinating.
No, he was lucky. He was in the right place in the right time, and met the right people. If he were an 20 year old now, he would try to make some obnoxious startup company, fail, then likely live with his mom and dad the rest of his life.
You forgot to mention that Steve Jobs was also a deadbeat dad who abandoned his first child and her mother right after she told him about the pregnancy.
Living and dying on your own terms. I wonder how many people never had, and never will have, the courage of doing so, while comfortably expressing the standard status quo disdain from their smartphones or laptops. That's Steve Jobs for you. The rest is History. Great video GH - I think Wozniak deserves your coverage!!
"He resisted rules and structure" At Reed College....are you kidding me? I live by the place. It makes UC Berkeley seem like a concentration camp. It's the most expense to-attend commune you have ever seen, and always has been. The ultimate in hyper liberal arts colleges for kids with rich parents who want to pretend they're poor hippies, or struggling artists from Soho who just happen to live in a 2 million dollar loft. And when German Engineers think you have an anti-social attitude, you KNOW you got next level personality problems
We all know Jobs was an insufferable prick, and yet I don't know why he was so idolized. Sure, he was a genius of marketing, but he took a lot of merits of other people. Gates on the other side is a genius (writing programming languages straight out of high school) and a good person, donating most of his income through the foundation he made to support schooling and better living conditions in poorer countries.
Gates isn't exactly a saint either though. He liked to yoink ideas off other people without giving credit. Still, he was way more technically savvy than Jobs. The thing is, without Woz, Jobs wouldn't be as successful as he was. Gates could have made it through with his own merits (if you consider his team among his merits).
Hello everyone!
A few weeks ago, I noticed my wife was reading the Steve Jobs biography. A voice in my head said "hey, he worked for Atari didn't he?" This prompted us to make an episode all about it! As always, if you learned something, please share! Big episode coming in a few weeks.
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Gaming Historian to be honest i find Steve Wozniak more interesting, the guy used to write programs in machine language and at the same time was the most naive and nice guy in the world, he is really something special. Great video though.
Thank God you finally made an episode on that subject
Gaming Historian your research and videos are above standard. Such a shame to wait on such interesting content but man is it a treat when it does launch. This was a good one, thank you.
This makes me love Wozniak even more and hate Jobs even more
That's not hard, Jobs is a pretty unlikable person.
Steve Jobs had the confidence/business/street sense. Woz had no business ambition. They needed each other.
@@jonathangoodman9089 I had no idea jobbs was such a douche when he was younger lol. & then he NEVER even fessed up & apologized? Like come on man. Hes the one who made him do it in only 4 days because he wanted that money asap.
Yeah Jobs is a douche there's no question there. But he had business sense and balls of steel. Apple wouldn't exist without him.
@@ferndog1461 did he need Jobs to screw him over?
3:55 "And occasionally inviting his friend, Steve Wozniak over to help him with the more technical aspects of the job." In other words, Jobs invited Woz over to do his work for him (which Jobs was incapable of doing) and then screwed him (Woz) out of his hard earned money for finishing the job. Between that, and denying Lisa as his paternal daughter, Steve Jobs was a disgusting example of a human being.
Norm is very much misrepresenting this point. Woz never claimed to have done all of Jobs' work for him. Jobs' main duty was sautering and wire-wrapping, stuff which is usually already laid out by other technical staff (the specific individual in this case being Don Lang).
Was Jobs a sociopath? Or just acted as one sometimes?
@@CalaTec You'll find sociopathic tendencies are in all sorts of businessmen, especially salesmen like Steve Jobs.
Cala Content Jobs was 19 and was poor. Woz who was 5 years older was already an engineer for HP. In addition, Jobs worked for Atari - Woz didn't. So whatever payment that Jobs received, it was technically all his. Jobs told Woz to split the payment half and half, which he did, but he never mentioned splitting the bonus. It is dishonest but really not that big of a deal. I find it funny that Woz only learned about it 10 years later when he was already a multimillionaire. If he had learnt it sooner, he wouldn't partner with Jobs, and Woz would be just a nobody because there would be no Apple.
@@alphazar And Jobs would be an unemployable guy probably living in a van in Santa Monica pretending at being a religious guru. People talk about Woz getting screwed because Jobs rode his talent and only became what he was because of Wozniak. Without the man Jobs would be what he was, a know nothing flash in the pan loud mouth that could only get by on luck and flash.
I've always wondered why people have represented Steve as a good person when he obviously was not. Any man that would screw a friend over like this is not someone who I would want in my life.
silicon valley does a good job at lambasting the character of steve jobs in gavin belson. megalomania, deception, pettiness and pretentiousness. steve jobs may have been a "dreamer," but it all stops there. asshole never built anything!!!
the woz was the real genius behind the reemergence of apple.
It's called a "publicist" and every wealthy asswipe can afford one.
He's like the Kanye West of technology. Yeah I disagree with him and find him unbearable at times, but I can't deny that he was a genius too
@jedistache9813 what
@@kilroy6547 you heard what he said
I don't hate Jobs for being as self entitled hippie that lied his way through life, I hate him for what he did to Wonzniak. Wozniak was truly a nice guy, a genius, and really good at Tetris.
Bill Gates was worse.
Bullshit
Well, it's true. Gates is a raging psychopath.
I hate him for what he did to suicidal FoxConn workers who begged for his intervention
@@trifecta9810 At least Gates was a brilliant coder since his youth. Jobs had zero skills, he could barely assist his father in law putting together a radioshack kit following a manual and beta testing Woz's work.
Wozniak seems like a really awesome dude.
Too bad that he was forced to have Jobs in his life. So much talent reworked and taken credit for by someone else.
LITTLE DO WE KNOW HIS FAMILY TERE WILL EXPAND WITH A WOZNIAK WITH THE NAME SCOTT
Yes, he woz.
@@TayDays1128you are right but no apple without jobs, and no apple without Wozniak.
this video made me realize he really DID look like Ashton Kutcher
its the other way around
No it's not, they actually equally looked like each other. If Steve Jobs were still alive, he could have done a biopic playing Ashton Kutcher.
@@mikmop jobs's status is too big for that.
@@mikmop typically when someone is older than you, you look like them, rather than them looking like you.
Same
Instead of Jobs. You should do a video about Woz. Far more interesting of a guy!
TheADMVlogs well this one is already made. He should do a Woz video though
whaaat? He was Gay?! Duuuuude!!!
TheADMVlogs That seems fair.
He already basically told the story of Woz in a games context through this. Woz never worked at a games company and he never led a significant hardware platform post Apple II.
A lot of this was about woz
"For his part, Jobs denied the story..." yeah, and he also denied that he was the father to his first daughter Lisa...so, what do you expect.
You know, we've gotten a few films both documentary and "based on a true story" about Steve Jobs. Honestly, I kinda wanna see a Steve Wozniak feature film, where Woz is actually the main character we're following. Am I the only one who wants that or am I just nuts to think that?
Daniel S I would love that.
Woz has said he's turned down the offers, probably because they care more about cashing in than making something interesting. He's said he loved Pirates of Silicon Valley because it portrayed the feeling of the times so well, like the protests at Berkeley. To make a real Woz film, you'd have to make it funny, because he was all about being lively.
he deserves more recognition I agree, but I don't think he wants it, he's ok, he's got millions, and a pretty good life I would say... plus he has a street named after him in downtown san jose, "woz way" which is pretty cool
it's near the tech museum
I think your right Woz truly was the genius who drove Apple. He could only do one thing assemble a team.
I only hope this video doesn't get a strike for offensive odors.
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Nice, coming from the guy in YAKIMA.
ZING! (Just kidding, buddy!)
The offensive odors won't be because Jobs didn't shower, but as a human, Jobs was just a piece of sh*t.
11:05 What kinda price is that! WTF!?
The way he treated the mother of his child, as well as denied emotional and financial support to his child, is reprehensible behavior. He may have been a "genius" but he was an exceedingly cruel malignant narcissist who believed he was "enlightened" and "chosen" thus "more important" than any other human being around him. He was often crushingly vicious to people he sensed were "weak" and, in fact, saw people who extended tenderness and sensitivity towards others as bearing "the hallmark of a loser". He rewarded sadists and fired nice people. This is a fact, and it's highly documented...and he was even worse to women. Some the things he did to women are too disgusting to post here without started a "comment war", so I won't.
He was, for want of better words, a total asshole.
So arrogant that he wouldn't even take a shower, because he thought he "just didn't need to". Wow.
Actually, he read some book that was probably written by a jackass about the fruitarian diet. That is where he got the idea about not showering. Sometime after Apple was founded, dealings and negotiations occurred that eventually resulted in Jobs caring more about his hygiene.
He literally acted like his shit didn't stink.
Washed his feet in the toilet because it was easier using one. It might be made up rubbish though.
You could call Steve Jobs... pious.
@@_Hadda that's pretty much "business" in today's world. You should read Gus Russo's book "Supermob" -- he basically lays out how the mafia and American corporations formed alliances in the 40s and 50s. The mob got to launder their money in the "legit" businesses, and the businesses got access to the mob's extensive networks for hiding money overseas. That's the basic secret to the "Panama Papers" -- they're just a reprise of the Castle Bank scandal in the early 70s, with even a lot of the same people involved in both situations.
Man, your videos are always such a great way to unwind, relax and learn a little bit - even on subjects I already know about, you end up coming across with a piece of information I didn't know about.
Great job on this video, the quality seemed a little higher than usual even.
Sato I listen to them when I consolidate inventory at work
You are so right... I caught myself rewatching videos, even if there wasnt much time since the first time I saw it.
I saw Steve Wozniak recently at a public interview event. He still spoke of Steve Jobs in high regard and was still sympathetic to him. I don't know why, he stiffed him out of money and stole his ideas and took credit for it. He never had a real understanding of engineering. It was a strange relationship.
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Glad to see another story telling the truth about how Jobs as kind of a piece of shit. Dude was just really good at manipulating brilliant people to make him look brilliant himself.
Yep. Truly the "Edison" of our time. :)
Have you heard Bill Burr's standup but about how overrated Jobs is? It's brilliant
Even that is not really true. He ran Apple into the ground the first time around. Plus, a big part of it was luck.
It is impossible to produce exceptional high quality content continuously, but you continue to do the impossible. I am always in awe of how much care is put into each of your videos.
Woz is the man, he always fascinates me in what he has been able to do in life.
These videos help to bring to light what an amazing person Steve Wozniak was and is. Among the many things Woz wanted beefier computers with longer life and was a fervent supporter of the Apple program for schools.
Great video. I've heard bits and pieces of this in the past. Better title would be "Before Apple: Steve Wozniak at Atari | Gaming Historian", because the truth is Woz carried Jobs into success. He was one lucky, arrogant joker who just happened to find a kind, lovable genius who could put up with Jobs. I do believe they needed each other to make what they accomplished, but in those early days Woz was 100% as important as Jobs in making Apple and Breakout for Atari.
Woz and Jobs both carried each other into success. Jobs' assholery definitely makes him look like the demon in their relationship, but in the end Woz knew he needed Jobs just as much as Jobs needed Woz. Neither would have gotten far without the other, and they both knew it. That's why Woz's words-and tears-were real at the news of Jobs' death.
* ua-cam.com/video/qL1OsHZ-hXc/v-deo.html
Woz didn't work at Atari though. He's also never claimed that he did all of Jobs' work which the video seems to imply.
George Henson I admit it's completely speculative but I have always had the hunch that Jobs could read a wire diagram, solder chips and do maybe basic board design. Not much else. Even if he subbed out his work to Woz, the "ingenious" work was all Woz which was done for Atari. Whether directly or indirectly, Woz was working for Atari.
Woz said he wasnt allowed to touch the mac
I have the Biography and have been following Apple for about 10 years and while I knew every fact in this video is always nice to have it summarised in such a way.
I can't wait till the next video
a few months ago while I was at this girls house I was seeing, her and her ex husband lived together in the house, but he was cool, didn't mind, plus he wasn't around much, anyway his mom lived with them and she was ill and they were helping her out, anyway she comes up to me one time while I'm there in the kitchen and starts a conversation, and she's really nice and still looks good for her age, I believe she was 71, you wouldn't know she was sick to look at her, so we're talking and I told her I was originally from san jose, then she brings up living in sunnyvale and working at atari one summer as an intern or temp out of college at the front desk kind of thing, so she goes on to say that this arrogant, annoying, smelly (BO) bearded guy (I think she said barefooted too lol but maybe not) comes in and complains about her car, I think she had a beattle, and he said those are bad for the environment and talked crap about it, and she's from jersey so she wasn't going to take any crap from anybody so she goes "yeah that's my car so what" and he kinda backs down cuz he thought she was hot, so he tries to ask her out and she basically shrugged him off, like whatever u gross full crap hippy lol ... of course later she found out it was steve jobs, but she didn't care, his attitude was enough for any sane woman to stay away
What a great video, thanks! Having worked for people in the past that knew Steve Jobs, I can say that everything you say is spot on.
My dad actually met him and spent a little time with him briefly. While the stories of how difficult he could be to work with are likely true, my dad says he was extremely inviting and friendly even though he certainly didn't have to be. The first thing Jobs did when they met was coax out precisely how my dad liked his coffee and make it for him lol; if there's one thing Jobs had a gift for, it was figuring out what a person wants and supplying that desire.
I just wanted to share that little anecdote, as there's been some strange backlash lately (which is generally true of anyone who receives adulation) where he's being painted as something of a monster, and that really seems to be overblown. He was undoubtedly hard to work with (as perfectionists generally are), but there's much more to him than that.
Very cool video btw; I was actually familiar with his stint in Atari and, when I told my dad and his friends that Jobs had actually helped create the game Breakout (a game they all recognized once I'd described it to them) they were shocked lol, he has one heck of a deep resume'.
He didn't do shit on breakout
I think steve was a good person outside of apple. I know some of the people who are terror when managing their business. Their personality changed when it comes to business but when outside of work they are very friendly. Just don't work on that kind of people.
Thank you for returning to the original ending music music you used to use. Really magical and warm, to me at least.
Innovator and game changer - who never made or was capable of making anything. His success sounds like his ability to get close to people and exploit them.
great timing just started work on imacs in school and there is old macintosh on display and every day i stop to watch that old box
Thank you Norm. I was having a rough day, and your videos put a smile on my face.
If you pre ordered Pong at Circuit City, you got a dark grey paddle DLC... O wait... what year is this?
Wozniak had the worst friend ever, Jobs was a leech.
No lie
In the grand scheme of things, Woz used Jobs just as much as Jobs used Woz. Woz knew he needed Jobs' own skillset in order to succeed. But both knew that they were using each other to forward their own careers, and that's why they stayed friends for as long as they did... and that's why everything Woz said about Jobs, as well as Woz's tears, at the news of Jobs' death were real.
* ua-cam.com/video/qL1OsHZ-hXc/v-deo.html
People just don't think Woz USED Jobs because Woz is such a "nice guy", and he is... but Woz also knows how to use his "nice guy" position to make him look good. Deep down, Woz totally used Jobs for his success all the same.
nickfifteen Yeah. They deserved each other.
Woz didn't use Jobs so much as saw him as a PARTNER. This is where the 2 met an impasse, since Jobs was an asshole human who didn't care about the people in his life while Woz thought they were pals who happened to be in business together.
In this sense, it's true, because something that I can totally agree about Jobs is that he was a genius... on marketing and selling. There's a bunch of really talented people out there inside corporations that have their work underappreciated by their bosses. In this regard Woz had luck in having Jobs as his "friend", a person that always accepted his creations and did all he could to sell it (while cashing the majority of profits).Really, I don't understand why he is called a visionary, a technological visionary, I don't thing that he deserves this titles when the majority of his attempts were burrowed and executed from other. If Jobs was a visionary what we can the people on Xerox?
I love Steve Wozniak. Such a great kind guy and a true engineer and computer legend.
"entrepreneur"......ya, well he was also a huge asshole to his family and he barely even resembled a father. I heard that he wouldn't even pay for his kids tuition into college because working minimum wage is a "learning experience". this is true, but to an extent.
ZiKoN22 it took him 9 years before he acknowledged his daughter, even after a DNA test, while she and her mother were on wellfare. Jobs was a horrible person.
Out of every Chanel I subscribe to, gaming historian is the only one that I watch every single video from. I love the content. Norman, this video was awesome as always. My financial situation Is about to change and when it does, I'd like gaming historian to be the first Chanel I support on patreon
Why is it that every time I find a behind-the-scenes story about Steve Jobs, it's almost always him being a talentless hack that rides the coattails of others?
Because its true
maybe the answer is, because he was an asshole
Because he was the boss. He hired people and paid them good money. He also founded Apple, and recruited many smart people, in case you forgot.
Fun fact (that has probably already been mentioned): Breakout ended up as kind of an easter egg on the original iPod. Remember discovering and playing it back in 2001.
Innovator? Game changer? How about thief and snake oil salesman.
That's exactly him
He was both in a way.
As an engineer myself I can say that having a vision for the future is just as important as having the ability to program something.
What good is having engineering skills if you don't know what you should be applying those skills to?
Like it or not, Jobs understood the relationship between humans and technology better than most. That is why Apple is the one of the richest companies in the world.
I love The Woz. He's the essential computer nerd.
I love the ending of your videos. Now every time I am done watching it, I feel smarter. I feel like I just learned something very important on PBS. Thanks Norm.
Man, sometimes the 70s and 80s seem like a different world to me. Could you imagine just showing up at say, Besthesda or, dear lord, one of the Japanese giants (Nintendo, Sony, etc.), smelling like shit and demanding a job with no skills whatsoever? Hell, imagine doing that at Apple now!
Well for one, Atari was a growing company, not an established name. Second, they were looking for laborers. Alcorn probably embellishes the story slightly here in terms of Jobs basically having no idea what he was walking into. Atari was desperately trying to get more people in the 73-74 period.
Most companies in the 70s and 80s would've tossed Jobs out on his ass. But Atari and Bushnell and a lot of Atari executives were just as big of hippies as Jobs was. It was a very laid back and liberal company. They had company meetings in hot tubs and smoked pot in the warehouses. So Jobs was right at home, though Atari people still valued good hygiene
I just want to say that you have a very smooth, easy to listen to narration voice.
Very well done, as always. Great information that shows his true character, which was very lacking.
As an unemployed artist trying to get into any sort of media industry I can find an opening to, it's things like this that give me glimmers of hope, small as they may be.
So....did he learn how to operate a shower eventually?
Apollo Justice LMAO 😂🤣
He probably got confused by the three seashells.
I was actually waiting for that part, never came.
good question:)))
Great piece Norm! My wife and I met you in Austin. We hope to see you Retropalooza in October!
This story has been around forever and a day, most real computer people/computer engineers knew Steve Jobs was a joke and a horrible person. They only would work for him for the money and for the prestige of being an Apple employee. Jobs made exactly nothing...not one thing did he truly ever make himself it was 100% wozniak the whole time. He is one of those people who love to solve problems (engineering wise.) and was almost OCD about it. Jobs knew this and took advantage of it. He did exactly bupkis at Atari. He was at the end of things just a great salesman and re-brander...stole a lot of ideas from others or took bits of conversations he would have with software/hardware engineers working under him and then combine them in his head and then take full credit for those ideas himself. This led to many of the engineers at Apple to quit after learning their ideas would be stolen and all they would receive is a small bonus check along with their regular pay. He would often go on tirades against those who would speak up and tried to blackball many of them if they did leave. He was a leech and all around horses arse. Glad the jerk is dead.
3 years too late but it's worth noting that his arrogance was his undoing in the end. Thought he was so much smarter than the doctors and checked out early.
I read the Jobs bio. Its the only bio I ever read. Its really and amazing history whit an unique set of characters. Thanks for the Video, mate.
Good info!
I'm crying because you have such good videos and I'm so disappointed it's been a month since your last one. I came across your channel, binged on it more than once and have been wanting more.
Steve Jobs, he rode on the back of Wozniak. If I was Wozniak I would had dropped the useless hack along time ago. Sorry that Wozniak got used by Jobs.
if I woz, i will crush job's face and punch his stomach untill he drop and dead
Every time I come to learn something new about that man I find myself despising him a little more than before....
you should do history of video game companies.
atari, nintendo, sega, capcom, konami, hudson, square, enix, etc.
It’s nice that Wozniak showed a lot of sympathy for Jobs. Yes, Jobs wasn’t perfect but without him you wouldn’t be reading my comment or be watching this video. Jobs perfected how we use technology & while he was a bit arrogant he did help with the biggest video game company at the time.
It's clear Jobs had some morality issues. I've always believed that over time those things eat away at our soul and our health. People think they're getting away with being an asshole, but they're not.
Tch, only the good die young, it seems.
Doesn't mean they are living happily and in good health. Sometimes death isn't the worst thing.
+referall madness you hit the nail on the head.
What's with people online calling him a sociopath? There are far worse than him.
Good video about one of the biggest visionaries of the last century. Steve Jobs changed the world more than once.
Let's be honest, a Steve Jobs figure would fail in today's world. He was a lucky guy in the right places at the right time.
Elon Musk seems to be going strong
He would probably succeed even more
It's nice watching a full video without an ad break popping up in the middle of the video and ruining it. It's hard to believe how greedy some of these other UA-camrs can be.
Strange use of the word "innovator". "Thief" or "leech" would probably be more apt.
Anyone else who didn't have the cult of personality around them like Jobs did would be subject to far more scrutiny over his suspect career.
God this is still my favorite UA-cam channel. It's awesome when these videos pop up, because it's like just when I forget about gaming historian, a new vid pops up as a most pleasant surprise. These vids are always worth the wait
Big fan of the Woz.
Great vid. I like your exploring of subjects. And I really the last line in this vid connecting this story to video games. Video games: Is there anything they can't do?
I wonder what that other universe is like; the one where Nolan Bushnell called the cops on Steve Hobs the hippie.
Ideas for Future episodes:
* History of MECC (The Popular Educational Games company of the 1980s and early 1990s). They had hits like Oregon Trail, Jenny's Journeys, and Odell Lake.
* History of Dance Dance Revolution
* History of the evolution of Pinball
* History of Skee Ball
* History of Sega vs Accolade (The first Reverse Engineering Case when it comes to video games)
* The Tetris Licensing Saga (About who's Tetris went on what system): Involves Electronorgtechnica, Mirrorsoft, Bullet Proof Software, Nintendo, Atari, Tengen, and others.
* The Mario Party Controller Recall
* History of the Bongos Controller for Gamecube
* History of the evolution of Anti-Piracy Systems in video games
* History of Capcom and the evolution of street fighting games.
Wozniak was the real genius.
Not mentioned: the relationship between Jobs and Woz is very similar to that of Nolan Bushnell and Ted Dabney. Bushnell was the business man/visionary, Dabney the brilliant mind who did all the technical work.
To me, Steve Jobs is to Thomas Edison, as Steve Wozniak is to Nikola Tesla.
Exactly my thoughts.
eh..... Tesla actually had a relationship with George Westinghouse, during his most productive period. The "wizard of menlo park" was a real inventor, a brilliant engineer, but Edison never pretended to be a physicist or to be an expert in every field of science so he hired people like Tesla for specific projects. Certainly Edison himself was built up in the public's imagination as this great inventor. But that's just how people are -- that's why they called him "wizard", because they couldn't understand the basic nature of scientific work. Likewise, people who imagine that Tesla was some kind of "wizard" are making the same error. By the time Tesla came along, it was impossible for one human being to have expertise in every field of science or to produce any sort of unified theory of physics -- if Tesla proved anything in the last 30 or 40 years of his career, he proved that it was not possible to do what he was pretending to do.
As good as any PBS doc I’ve ever seen and I mean that in the best way possible thank you I loved every min.
I've always felt bad for Wozniak, though successful he deserved so much for his work and the praise/accolades that the public usually heaps onto Jobs, whom was nothing more than a glorified marketer (charlatan).
That's one thing I can't fault Jobs for - Woz clearly is not about fame and money, so the arrangement that they had worked out for them where Woz got to devote his life to the computers while Jobs got to have his ego fed to death.
there's a street named after him in downtown san jose called "woz way" it's right near the tech museum
+Xavier Roberts You're either an idiot or a Jobs fanboy, I can't decide which but the crap you post is historically incorrect nonsense. Wozniak made the Apple II GS which had incredible performance for it's day (and even innovative features to this day ua-cam.com/video/mADvFDkJqvU/v-deo.html ) but Jobs undermined his project in order for "his" shittier project to succeed. It wasn't even a business decision as the GS was superior in almost every way, it was about Jobs' ego. Visionary my ass. Jobs proceeded to bully and cheat Wozniak behind the scenes at Apple. Once a weasel, always a weasel. Ideas are cheap - Wozniak should have found himself another "visionary" to work with.
I was born in Santa Clara. My mom worked at Atari. I got free games and she would take me into the office sometimes around 1982. There was a little Atari store there too. I assumed all cities had that and that all kids had a similar thing going on.
It's that attitude that killed Steve Jobs in the end. He refused cancer treatment until it was too late.
ReikuHidori Steve had cancer for over 20 years, it really isn’t a fact if he waited too long but rather the cancer did. Jobs more than likely didn’t see any threat and I don’t blame him. Living 20 years with something that most people die in less than 2 years from would desensitize a lot of people.
TheRedDrapion he was told by doctors it needed treatment and instead he used alternative medicine
And there's no reason to be sad about it. Thank God he's gone.
Yeah a lot of good that did. An idiot like the rest of the people like him.
cancer treatment is like killing flies with a shotgun while drunk & on drugs. It almost never work & even if you hit the fly there's gonna be more eventually. I hate how people have this blind faith in Chemotherapy / rays. I get that you're desperate but you are using old Chemical weapons / deadly radiations to "Cure" yourself, it's bound to fail. You'd have better survival rates swimming out of a pool full of sharks.
Why is it that people try to rationalize kill fire with fire when it doesn't even work 99% of the time? I mean if you're handed a death sentence you don't speed up the process by shooting yourself in the foot do you? It's the mentality of hoping for the best, but if that's what you're going for you might as well try Changing your life style & diet instead seeing how your odds are the same minus the fatal symptoms that you suffer from cancer treatment. It just rubs me the wrong way that so many argue that cancer treatment is the definite solution, that's all.
watched all your videos, great work! hoping there are more soon.
I like Apple devices and I like Nintendo handhelds and consoles, but Steve Jobs really seemed like a ass the way he was described here (still a good and informative video!)
I always thought someone like Satoru Iwata was like the Steve Jobs of gaming. I don't think I'll ever make that comparison again between them thanks to this video. Iwata was more like Steve Wozniak, a loyal, intelligent and hardworking person.
Iwata was like Iwata, he was a once in a lifetime kind of guy. It's going to be a long time before that much talent, intelligence, and empathy will coalesce into a single person again
Change is not always good ... But these two Steves changed the world of technology.
Before this video:
"I want to be like Steve Jobs!"
After this video:
"I don't wanna be like Steve Jobs."
He was thrown out of Apple because of his behaviour and arrogance. If Woz wasn't a genius Apple would've never existed.
This was a great video, love your channel bro.
i've never really understood America's love of steve jobs. i've always thought he was kind of a shitty person and not really that brilliant. but i've only understood through the way media has portrayed him.
Damn, I am eating tacos for dinner now.
He was rich so Americans idolize him. It is that simple....in American society if you make money then you are amazing. Doesn't matter how you got the money, once you got it you are a hero.
Not only americans...
then why is donald trump not the most popular president ever? i think it might be a little of that, and people's obsessions with their iPhones.
The fact that Trump got anywhere near president...LET ALONE WON....proves my point actually.
Well told sir! One of the best descriptions of the breakout controversy I've heard. The $700 "job" payment was split, and the bonus was pocketed by only Jobs. Nice mix of sources too.
Steve Jobs had imagination but the actual tech and main effort was done by the engeneers working for him. Steve couldnt even write a simple line of program, he just had a visual idea so all the props go to the team involved, not Jobs.
Chicken and egg. Without Jobs' vision to see the possibility (and opportunity), would the engineers have had a problem to solve?
tough subject with the Woz. I've seen folks just go crazy when something negative is said about Jobs. Heck I somewhat equivocated on the subject myself, so you're coverage is very much needed. Glad to see you're willing to hit those gritty points. Keep up the good work!
In short, Job's legacy is built on the backs of others. This is evident throughout his career, yet somehow he always gets the credit.
I remember seeing some of this during the Game Changers documentary. Its one of my favourite tibits
Steve Jobs was nothing more than a used car salesman.
And he is a great used car salesman. Thats it
The bast .
Yup.
Woz is the man. I can do without Steve.
I just never considered anything Jobs has done to be that impressive, aside from making Apple successful. But that story about reducing the number of chips to the point that nobody understood anything about it? That is so Wozniak. Sure, Jobs kept on doing what he did to the very end, but I just don't think that he was that special. I mean no disrespect to him though. May he rest in peace, of course.
Man after reading allot of the comments to this video makes me super happy. You guys and gals brightened my day. Seeing Jobs get called what he was, a vile piece of fucking trash that should be forgotten then remembered, brightened my entire day.
I despise Apple, and would LOVE NOTHING MORE THAN TO SEE THEM GONE..... FOREVER.
God I miss older Apple... Before they became so obsessed with looks over being cutting edge tech...
im no apple fan, and i have never owned apple stuff (only PC and android) , but i think their stuff was and is always quite cutting edge! sure it is always more expensive but their computers they made were always pretty top notch, and the phones too. Ofcourse i didnt like it since i want to use third party stuff, but still i recognized it was some good hardware.
oh wait, i realize you probably mean the last few years, yeah nothing very cutting edge has come out recently
raafmaat the iPhones now are a year behind in tech sadly. Macs are still pretty great as far as I can tell (I have a custom PC and Android stuff as well, so I haven't used a mac in a year or so)
I've been an Apple user between 1982-2007... they've ALWAYS been about looks. For example, the Snow White design language dominated Apple design during the 80's and early 90's.
The Apple III would like to talk with you, before it fries its brains again.
all apple computers was old, overpriced tech when it came out
No story on the Jaguar yet? I may be blind but I can't find it. Love your videos, keep dropping the history brother.
He actually looks like Ashton Kutcher in some photos, hehe
Best..... Friday..... EVER!!!.Thanks Norm. Love the videos.
It's weird, I actually kind of look up to Jobs. We all know that he was a detestable human being who treated those around him like dirt, abandoned and pretended his daughter didn't exist for years, and took credit for a lot of things he had very little to do with. A bit of a Messiah complex, really. But he's also a guy that was able to find openings, snatch opportunities, and position himself like no one else. A college drop-out with no technical skills, but became the face of modern technology. I just find it extremely fascinating.
No, he was lucky. He was in the right place in the right time, and met the right people. If he were an 20 year old now, he would try to make some obnoxious startup company, fail, then likely live with his mom and dad the rest of his life.
Bill Burr has a funny bit about Jobs . Spot on too.
You forgot to mention that Steve Jobs was also a deadbeat dad who abandoned his first child and her mother right after she told him about the pregnancy.
Living and dying on your own terms.
I wonder how many people never had,
and never will have, the courage of doing so,
while comfortably expressing the standard
status quo disdain from their smartphones or laptops.
That's Steve Jobs for you. The rest is History.
Great video GH - I think Wozniak deserves your coverage!!
When sneaky, slimy, back-stabbing businessmen are still referred to as visionaries.
VGDunkey mentioned that he watches you on the H3H3 podcast, I hope your channel gets a huge boost
"He resisted rules and structure"
At Reed College....are you kidding me? I live by the place. It makes UC Berkeley seem like a concentration camp.
It's the most expense to-attend commune you have ever seen, and always has been. The ultimate in hyper liberal arts colleges for kids with rich parents who want to pretend they're poor hippies, or struggling artists from Soho who just happen to live in a 2 million dollar loft.
And when German Engineers think you have an anti-social attitude, you KNOW you got next level personality problems
Another great one Norm! Keep it up!
I'm tired of people always saying he was a genius. He was just a loud, obnoxious, uneducatec thief.
and apparently, stinky.
As neat as always. Great video *Gaming Historian*
We all know Jobs was an insufferable prick, and yet I don't know why he was so idolized. Sure, he was a genius of marketing, but he took a lot of merits of other people. Gates on the other side is a genius (writing programming languages straight out of high school) and a good person, donating most of his income through the foundation he made to support schooling and better living conditions in poorer countries.
Gates was writing programming languages IN high school
Gates isn't exactly a saint either though. He liked to yoink ideas off other people without giving credit. Still, he was way more technically savvy than Jobs. The thing is, without Woz, Jobs wouldn't be as successful as he was. Gates could have made it through with his own merits (if you consider his team among his merits).
Bill Gates father was a eugenicist and Bill Gates was best friends with Epstein. Bill Gates is not a good person.
Man what a beautiful episode.
I'm pretty sure his German Co-workers hated him more than his American ones.