We have people bitching that Masterpiece is “too screen accurate” while also bitching that SS isn’t screen accurate enough. Sometimes transformers fans make Lego Star Wars fans look level headed
Usually when I see complaints about masterpiece, it’s because they made the figure too complicated, or look like a mess like Bee 2.0 or Prime 3.0. I mean it’s kinda bad when the mainline has better engineered figures than the MP line
It's not that the figures were "too accurate" it's that they sacrificed stability and efficiency for a degree of accuracy that wasn't worth the sacrifices. Megatron, in 86, was a handgun, so you by definition cannot create a Studio Series 86 figure of the character without it being a handgun.
THe fuck is wrong with MPs being "too screen accurate", isn't that the whole fucking point? They are horribly scaled with main line figures, a big criticism for me personally, but the whole point is that the bigger size and higher price allows for more accuracy and complex transformations. Youu want display figures, go with MP.
I don’t know if they really had the choice in the Bay films. It seemed more like Hasbro could only add inputs it the filmmakers could do whatever they wanted. I mean if they had final say Dino flat out wouldn’t exist. As ferrari is famous for only allowing 1 toy company to have the license, and no “war toys”. The latter affected his film appearance as that why he didn’t have a blaster and wasn’t actually seen fighting.
While it would be cool to have a new gun Megatron, I think just including a small gun accessory that's vaguely shaped like a Walther P38 for your other figures to hold would be enough. Imagine instead, they create the perfect G1 Megatron robot mode with no semblance of tank in sight, yet still transforms into one. I'd like to see that.
Good list. I do agree the gun Megatron argument is pointless. If it's not legal, it can't be helped. The only reason I personally care is simply because modern tank Megatrons have a bad track record with hiding the treads, and giant backpacks. If they can have the treads fold into the legs to hide them, and not give Megs a giant backpack, I'll be happy. It's not like he transformed a lot anyway in G1. I just want a good bot mode.
By my math, today makes 3 consecutive years of TJ Omega daily uploads so unless I'm really off let me be the first to say CONGRATULATIONS!!!!! Thanks for the consistent and entertaining TF content TJ!
SS86 Optimus has Roller and his axe despite neither showing up in the movie. SS86 Hot Rod is the wrong color. SS86 Ironhide is missing his vehicle’s yellow stripe. SS86 Wheelie’s hands are poking out the back of his vehicle mode. SS86 Kup’s chest/windshield (admittedly fixed in the Buzzworthy line).
The accuracy argument already died with Starscream, not just coz of the throne or the greebles, but because it's the CLASSICS-based Earthrise design. And because he's already the SS86 release of the figure, unlike Ironhide/Ratchet, Arcee, Springer, Wheelie, the exosuit, and Magnus, there goes our chance for a redo with him until a looooooooooooooong time.
@@reyonXIII Given it's SS86 *Coronation* Starscream specifically, they could absolutely redo him without the extras and just have a new mould SS86 Starscream.
There is a big difference between being some what inaccurate, but based on a movie in development, and very inaccurate and based on a near 40 year old movie.
Coronation Starscream is an example of the latter; it was already doomed to complete inaccuracy because the base figure is a minor retool of the Earthrise Seeker mold, which itself is basically a modified and upsized take on the Classics Deluxe class Seeker mold.
There were already examples of major inaccuracies present on characters that had finalized designs for years. I can get the inaccuracy but really, as soon as this figure was revealed to be mainline any notion of it being a gun should be thrown out. SS is the perfect place to put a mainline animation accurate Megatron and to say the figure shouldn’t be in Studio Series or whatever is just splitting hairs at that point. Especially since that kind of figure design probably wouldn’t fit into any other series right now.
I personally love when they fabricate their own outlandish ideas, like Thundercracker. It only bothers me when they take a pre-established onscreen character and botch it.
I'm surprised no company has produced a screen accurate coronation Starscream with his proper wacky proportions, what with his giant pecs That ripe for like an Ultimates or some statue company to make
Just because a figure isn't accurate to their media of origin doesn't mean they're suddenly 0/10 hunks of junk on par with the worst of Titanium (see Legacy Bulkhead) and just because a figure is accurate doesn't mean it's absolved of all its sins (see Evolution Tarn). If it's a good figure, it's a good figure. End of story. And hey, if 86 Megatron is even a 5th as good at hiding his kibble as 86 Optimus (and as fun as Optimus transformation-wise), then all the gripes about him being a tank will vanish in a matter of seconds after looking at his robot mode.
Hot Rod shoulders, clear plastic in problematic places, no rolling wheels in tank mode, bizarrely limited ankle tilts, inaccurate scale, and some parts just don’t tab in on my copy of the mold (which is Bludgeon; the superior version of the mold). I’m tired of the fandom pretending this 6/10 at best and 4/10 at worst mold is somehow figure of the year when said year had Gamer Edition Optimus, Armada Optimus, Lio Convoy, Needlenose, Brawn, and ROTB mainline Rhinox.
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho I have both Tarn and Bludgeon (which yes, is the superior version) and I haven’t had any issues with the clear plastic or the tabs. Shoulders don’t really bother me, depending on how they are posed. I’ll agree that it could have used actual wheels for the tank mode. I will say the Cyberverse Tarn is my least favorite version of the mold just due to how inaccurate he is to the cartoon model. No scars on his face and torso, needs one of fhe arms missing, and the sword should have been replaced with the control crown.
Bro the worst had to be crankcase. If you wanted him you could have just bought berserker. Even the box art is just crowbar with gold hair, so at least one dude at Hasbro HAD to acknowledge this
Like i said, i think it was dumb for him to be a gun in the first place, Hasbro should've made him another thing instead while making the gun a loyal decepticon underling
On a different note, Exosuit Noah is just given an alt mode because they want to sell it as Transformers, especially because of the 86 exosuits being given a "transformed" state. There's no real reason for Noah to have an alt mode in the first place, Hasbro has to find one to keep it in the Transformers brand, otherwise they will have to wait until the G.I. Joe live-action crossover is about to reach its final stages in development, by which they will have to make the toys and give Noah a proper toy.
If, if, Noah has an exo suit in any G.I. Joe movie, it can't be the one he had in RotB because he used that to repair Mirage (or at least that would make sense considering that was the parts of Mirage he had)
@@Retro_Red And as one Joe who would gain a big impact for his connection with the Transformers, I dub his codename "Dirk Manus". The rest of the Joes will laugh at his codename throughout most of the movie when he's ever called, but they will change their mind about it near the end.
Can I just say i disagree on the point of prior figures within studio series being not 100% accurate means an “auto-okay” for the case of SS86 Megatron? If prior figures strived for accuracy, but did not manage to achieve it, does not mean we should just cease to strive any further. Plus, I think people are just sick of tank megatron, especially when can be seen as a sort of whitewashing of the original alternate form. I can sympathise with the idea that some people hold the sentiment that if it cannot be done, then it should not be done, especially if they have a particularly strong attachment to that iteration of megatron.
Crankcase is a repaint of Crowbar, a remold of Berserker... who was based on Crankcase. So why did they repaint Crowbar, giving Crankcase the completely wrong robot mode when the Berserker tooling was accurate and right there?
Hasbro dont you fumble up Dotm Wheeljack's alt mode and robot mode, his 2011 toy was awesome, he had an awesome robot design and that Mercedes is literally my dream car for life.
personally i think what’s more important than accuracy in studio series is getting the vibes right. bb optimus? not entirely screen accurate, but he’s got the big chunky dadbot vibes, he feels right. ge decepticon trooper? screen accurate, but doesnt have the sinister deceptigoon vibes, he feels incorrect even if he is technically on the mark. volkswagen bee? a bit concept art, but he’s very friend shaped. dino/mirage had to swap out the altmode that his entire character was based on, but it’s still in the ballpark of sleek sportscar. ya gotta feel it as much as you see it, ya dig?
i really wish they didn't make dino a ferrari if they were gonna be a stickler about licenses because having such a cool robot be a ferrari 458 which is one of my favourite looking cars but no dino toy that turns into an official 458 just blows
Daniel’s / spikes exit should have just transformed like it did in the movie, legs straight down, arms to the chest, wheels on shins and forearms, that would have been so much easier and ACCURATE, what were they thinking here 😂
me and a friend bought some toy gins from the dollar tree in the mall and played make believe matrix but then some cops got mad, they couldn't understand the beauty of the childish innocence we were portraying, just a couple of lads reliving their childhoods playing pew pew.I can see the mall cancelling those orders after that, it was their fault after all. the police were being hysterical, like calm down, scaredy pants
Say that again when your life might literally be on the line. And that it's your job. Perspective is a powerful determiner for one's mindset. Point is, don't assume your view is always accurate.
Cops are trained to simultaneously act like they’re always under threat but also carry deadly weapons in spaces where no one else should be. American policing is horrendous
@@Trebleshotbro toy guns are usually obvious as hell to be toys, if you are a cop and misunderstood and mistake toy gun from real one you should probably 1.quit your job or 2. Get some glasses to see properly the difference between ones
@@quickshot112 1. Keyword being usually. That doesn't apply to every toy gun, and the original comment didn't specify what theirs looked like. 2. Real guns can also be easily disguised as fake ones.
@@quickshot112 Glasses don't help in a dark alley where you don't know what to expect. Also as another pointed out, real guns can be disguised as fake. Likewise the reverse is true. Again, perspective and being in the moment. Unless you've actually done the job, don't think it's as easy as you profess. I've known prenty of cops over the years and it's not a simple Mayberry job, even for the best of them.
They need to include a scale Megatron in all modes amd lines so transformers can hold him for accuracy. If 86 Megatron became a gun it wouldn't be accurate because he's a giant gun. A Megatron gun accessory solves all the problems while giving him the better mode.
Hopefully 86 Megatron comes with a tiny gun other transformers can hold, so the "muh screen accuracy" people get enough of a bone to chew on to complain a bit less
I'm one of those "Megatron turning into a gun is kinda dumb and compromises every figure made to be a G1 Megatron" people. So yeah, give me the tank, just dont re-use Siege Megatron.
heres few more for you as far as I remember, hotrod never used his guns in the 86 movie, only his wrist blasters, so he shouldn't have come with those obligitory "original SS86 ironhide doesn't have the yellow stripe!" (and by extension, ratchet doesn't have his red stripe either, both of those are limited to the corpse versions) swoop comes with swords for him and grimlock. don't remember either of them ever using swords in the movie.
TJ caught me on a technicality here because I recently rewatched the G1 cartoon and I swore I saw Perceptor driving in his tank mode. BUT, I went back and found the episode (The Gambler) and at the very end of the episode it is implied that Perceptor is driving along with everyone to go and gamble but technically we do not see him doing so. We only see 4 shadows in the distance which is either Optimus/Bee/Inferno and Perceptor OR its Smokescreen who caught up to them from driving so fast
Now that you mention it TJ, I really hate the "oh that's just Bayverse, we're talking about *real* Transformers" bullshit. If someone doesn't like the Bay movies that's all well and good, but I hate how this fandom can have so many gatekeepy assholes in it
The really wierd thing with the BB Optimus is that the Marmon is essentially a G1 coloured version of the truck mode of Evasion Optimus from AOE... whose toy from 10 years ago used the Freightliner 'cause they were banking on the G1 nostaliga of the COE truck rather than accuracy. Not only that but the gimmicky figures from the Bumblebee toyline which has the freightliner alt mode uses the Evasion design for it's robots mode, _and_ the Masterpiece uses the Marmon as well.
Nicely done video, great points made and you didn't even have to refer to the fabulous Bayverse Dino whom I both love the Studio Series release and find a massive blow. Everyone has their breaking point with acceptability, I can't come at that WW2 Bee at all and I want as many Bees as I can get.
4:30 I mean, he didn't *have* a weapon in the movie so that argument sorta just falls flat. Also I own Sideways and the head isn't actually just slathered in silver paint like that, it does actually have dark grey for the face.
the worst offender that's missing from this list is 07 megatron who is using the rotf chest design for some ungodly reason despite them not even being similar
So yea you are right, there are studio series with not correct vehicle modes. Is there any that are a totally different kind of thing for their vehicle mode? I also 100% understand the no toy gun thing. I am okay with him being a tank as long as his robot mode resembles his on screen bot mode. With that said, I really want him to come with a gun that is Megatron's G1 form.
To add more toys to the pile, SS 10 Jazz is inacurate, the headlights are meant to be near his hands on his forearms but they are up on the shoulders. I know its a small toy, i'm just pointing out its also inacurate
It is weird how he can ramble about Perceptor's "tank" mode that is completely optional and barely affects the other modes (he has tank treads you can barely see, get out the pitch fork!) but then the first version of Kup had the STUPID clear chest with random panel detail behind it that comes from no other version of the character.
18:05 Hypocrites that they are. A tank fits Megs way better anyway. Plus, you'll get the megatron gun accessory from Centurion Drone, so his gun mode is ACTUALLY IN SCALE. SS86 Megs just needs to have the barrel on his back and I'll be fiiiine.
I only need my SS figures to look accurate enough on a shelf. As long as they are identifiable, I’m fine with it. I know that is probably blasphemy but I love this toyline and the sacrifices on figures so far haven’t stopped me from buying every toy in the whole line
Buzzworthy wasn’t an offshoot it was just a dumb name for Target exclusives. Studio Series 79 only released as a Target Exclusive, so if you want a full set you have to get the Buzzworthy Bumblebee SS79. I know some figures were released in both mainline and at Target in Buzzworthy but that does not mean they weren’t apart of the line. Buzzworthy was just meant to have Target exclusives across every single Toyline going at any given time. Hence the Cyberverse toys, Legacy Toys, WFC Toys, and Studio Series. While I know the title of Buzzworthy Bumblebee makes people want to call it a Toyline of its own but it really was not that when you look at it objectively
I wouldn't feel some sort of mental contradiction with Studio Series Megatron being the War for Cybertron Trilogy version, if somehow the main line was for that (since the WFC trilogy was well over 30 years after 1986)
Kinda shocked TJ didn't mention the lack of red stripes on 86 Starscream's tailfins, which is arguably the most glaring innaccuracy. And before people complain, yes, he did have red stripes on his tailfins in the animation. Thankfully they've fixed this error in the upcoming version. (Side note, not even the original Earthrise mold had accurate red striping, but I digress) Even the Masterpiece mold has this issue as well. The tailfins just look so dull and boring completely in blue. The red definitely helped to break up all that blue, and it looked cool too! My personal one, is Legacy Armada Starscream. Of course, there's the two obvious ones: his sword isn't red, and his lower chest should be black. These don't bother me as much, since in the anime, when his sword isn't powered up, it is grey, which is accurate, and in several frames and shots, Starscream's lower chest is completely red (the Japanese outro is where this is most apparent, as we can clearly see his lower chest is red when it slowly pans down on his body) the one that does bother me, is that for one, his null-ray cannons are left completely unpainted (likely due to budget constraints) as are the shoulder mounts they're attatched to (they're supposed to be red) and his lower legs are the completely wrong color, and his knee fins colors are inverted. (a mistake carried over from the thrilling 30s mold) But by far the most egregious innaccuracy, is the folding canards. Why the designers thought his canards needed to fold down in robot mode, is beyond me. Its such a waste of the budget as well, as not only do they not contribute anything in either mode, they also hinder the waist articulation if you fold them back and peg them in. Lastly, here's one innaccuracy I'm surprised no one has picked up on yet: Starscream's wings are a tad bit too short. (As is his sword) And while they don't look too bad in robot mode, they do make the jet mode feel a bit stubby. The wings needed to be at least an inch or so longer.
Congratulations on the streak! Seeing what they did with commander prime, I think it is possible they will HIDE how he turns into a tank. Seeing how they got rid of the tires on prime, they could get rid of the treads INTO Megatron. So if his robot mode is fully accurate and they include his gun mode as an accessory, you could LITERALLY have the best of both worlds. Actually it'll be even MORE accurate because it will technically allow him to mass shift.
All these characters need a repain in some cases and a 2.0 that's more accurate in others. Also I still stand by my opinion that 86 Megatron should be a gun, even if they have to go the Classics route of it being more like a nerf gun in designing. At least they're all the right shapes. G1 Megatron is unfortunately always going to be divisive because either route they go down, people will be angry. If they make him more like his Classics toy, people will be angry he's not a realistic gun and possiblya shellformer. If they go with a tank, you'll have people who are sick of seeing a "G1" tank Megatron, if you do something else every will be unhappy. I personally would accept shellformer Megatron, because it would be closer to what his alt mode actually was. They could even have the shell come off his back for a clean G1 accurate robot mode.
I genuinely don’t understand Studio series bumblebee prime, for some reason he’s a Marmon HDT-AC-86, the truck he was in AOE, not the freight liner FLA-86 he was in the bb movie, it’s such a weird change and I don’t get it.
The only one in this entire video that is inaccurate in the same way is that Bumblebee mold and that's got the wrong alt mode because they based it on a concept design that was supppose to look like that before they changed it in the actual movie. Everything else is nit picking tiny little details not major things. Like even the WFC design which I agree is not accurate. The original deluxe is more accurate than that thing is. But it's close enough. If you make G1 Megatron anything other than a gun it's not going to be a G1 Megatron anymore. That's the problem. Hasbro legally can not make a G1 Megatron because they can't make him a gun. I've seen the Megatron they're making, that's his Devastation design, call it Devastation Megatron and release it in Gamer Edition packaging, problem solved. But Studio Series 86 it is not. The only possible way to get an 86 Megatron is if Takara makes the figure and it's a Japanese only release like the Masterpiece was. Because they can still make him a gun. And personally I don't even want a gun Megatron. I have the legends scale one that's a gun. That's good enough for me. It has some inaccuracies like he diesn't have the gun barrow sticking up on his back and he doesn't have any if the accessories he's suppose to have in the alt mode but those are small little nit picky things. It's still a gun which inherently makes that mold more accurate than giving me a tank and trying to convince me that's the same Megatron that appeared in the 86 movie. That would be like making Optimus transform into the long nose truck he's had in more modern depictions and trying to convince me it's the G1 version. No it's not the G1 version is that flat nose. You can't give me a modern take on a character and try to convince me it's the original. I don't have a problem with reimagining a character but if you're going to than market it that way don't gaslight me into the idea that this is supose to be something it's not. Even that WW2 Bumblebee has the excuse of well at least the robot mode is accutare. There's no other Bumblebee that could be even if it's wrong. But Megatron has a more accurate depiction the tank design could represent sitting right there, it's not 86 Megatron it's Gamer Edition Devastation Megatron. If they just advertised it for what it really is no one would complain.
All they had to do was say Megatron was going to be a cannon in Studio Series and not a tank. Saying the word "tank" was the WORST possible choice. The tank fatigue from that abused Siege mold was too much, and far too fresh. They failed to "read the room" and caused all this on their own. They likely could even have caused less backlash by making him a jet. Hasbro could have stopped all this before it began, and that's why PR firms are supposed to exist!
So basically we've had concept art figures long before Concept Series? 😅 Also, am I the only one who overall likes Exo-suit Spike? My only real issue is the lack of head detail.
The "innacuracy" and also cause Blackout's way too goddamn expensive is why I just use Grindor as my shelf's blackout. Plus, better colors than that games workshop gray of the original and some actual poseable hands instead of the flaps the original Blackout had
I completely understand why Megatron can't be a gun, and have no issue with a Studio Series version transforming into a tank. That being said, this argument is flawed from the start. Let me explain. In all examples given, the figure either: A. Did not accurately match the source material in either vehicle mode or robot mode - whether that was due to vehicle licensing, taking designs from concept art, or restrictions in budget or engineering challenges. B. Had a vehicle mode made up strictly for transformation purposes (like Noah). These are all valid arguments for Studio Series inaccuracy, but are false equivalencies compared to the Megatron situation. In all of the examples in the video, the alt mode may have not been accurate to the source material but at least they were the same TYPE of alt mode. Mirage was still a car, Prime was still a truck, etc. That's like being upset that Studio Series 86 Megatron was made into a revolver, not a P-38. It's just not the same comparison. Now if they made a Studio Series Prime into a jet or a tank instead of a truck, THEN this argument would hold some weight.
Most of these are just nitpicks. Megatron is an entirely different form. Big difference from barricade still being a car that looks like an audi but doesn't have the labeling of the car due to licensing.
SS86 Kup’s vehicle mode color is inaccurate. Springer never used his “iconic” hammer. Hot Rod never used guns in the film(fun fact) and neither did Brawn have a drill in BBM. In fact, none of the other Cybertron scene characters even transformed in the first place!
"megatron should be a gun because it's more accurate" mfs when i tell them tank megatron is way cooler: 🤯🤯🤯 sometimes i wonder if i'm a real g1er when i think the rest of them are all super annoying and also am willing to enjoy things outside of it
Yea, I stopped collecting transformers since Prime ended. They got smaller, more expensive, and feel cheaper. I was gifted a studio series DOTM Roadbuster and that thing is tiny and it takes like 3 steps to transform it.
Isn’t Kup inaccurate too? I don’t have it anymore, but I seem to remember him being a fair bit wrong in his design, not to mention the basic part of where he separates is actually not where he broke in the movie. But I think that was a dumb add in the first place
Can I make a funny lampshade on this? Shockwave and Galvatron are naturally unrealistic if handled as guns in the first place (case in point, they are TF-original designs), so the selling of non-realistic guns are just stuck with NERF, where there are no limits in regards to being designed, and Hasbro refused to sell a gun in Transformers, period, when they know they can never fit in NERF's ideology in G1 remasters. While I can understand why Megatron can never even get a hidden gun mode people would have to find on their own since he's based on a real gun with illegal mods from The Man From U.N.C.L.E., the fact that Shockwave and Galvatron can never even be advertised to be a gun shows how far gone the gun laws have become.
The law screwed G1 Megatron out of an accurate alt mode for Studio Series ‘86. In that case I’d rather Hasbro not even do it. The other examples could always get another try. I think any other alt mode would be a bit too far. So, it’s going to be a hard pass.
Idc bout screen accuracy all like that im just happy there bringing out a megs in 86 studio series wether its a gun or tank ..honestly if it was a gun it be boring cuz its not like another bot could hold him anyways
I, too, am sick of the "Here's how they can do a new gun Megatron" people. Its not even a good solution because the REAL problem is that the G1 toy's transformation scheme keeps needing to be shackled to becoming a gun in their eyes. I am 100% certain you could HEAVILY retool a hypothetical Missing Link Megatron into an umbambiguous jet or tank with the right clever tricks and pass that off as "this was ALWAYS the G1 mold, it never was a gun, stop thinking this engineering was ever used for a gun" to finally put the issue to true rest. Am I crazy?
You know what really gets me? I can abide by some level of inaccuracy for various reasons. But when the end result is not only inaccurate, but doesn't look good, then I have a problem. BB Blitzwing is a prime example of this. His alt mode is inaccurate, and looks terrible. What makes it even worse is that Hasbruh has done jet modes that are genericified, yet far closer to what they are supposed to be, like Classics or Earthrise Starscream. It feels like something that exists for no reason. Robot mode inaccuracy is another infuriation, unless there is a good reason for it. Like, having the bot mode be not quite right because of the vehicle mode being changed. Or the design being based on early concept art for a concurrent movie.But, when there is no obvious reason for the inaccuracy, it ends up being infuriating. Studio Series Soundwave gets this bad. He is not accurate in either mode, for no reason. It's not like this is a new design, this is based off of a 10+ year old movie design. It also doesn't have the excuse of being a repaint. The FOC SS Megatron is just as bad. Like, you can go off of the final in game design. Why go off of early concept art when you don't need to? Complete garbage compromise for no reason. I find it kind of annoying how butthurt people are getting over how SS 86 Megatron can't be a gun. Like, it's a dumb alt mode, and on screen for maybe all of 5 seconds. Most of the iconic moments in the movie are Megatron in robot mode, and I absolutely think that should be the emphasis. My solution to this is to have Megs turn into a tank, but have the tank kibble removable so you have the option of having a clean robot mode.
Second reply, because I posted prematurely and UA-cam removed the ability to edit comments for some garbage reason. Further, to be truly screen accurate, Megs would have to turn into a gun small enough to be held by Starscream, which is of course impossible. So, the best course of action is to include an accessory that is Megatron in his alt mode, which would not fall under toy gun laws because it would be too small, and have no grip. I'm kind of tired about all the whining about Megatron not being a gun. It has always been, and will always be a dumb alt mode, and we all need to move on. But, @TJOmega , I will call you out on one thing. I don't think realistic toy guns are illegal, per se. But, that absolutely does not change the fact that many, if not most retailers would not carry a realistic toy gun, legality aside. That fact alone would pretty much doom any Megatron figure with a gun mode, as there is no way that Hasbro would make a figure that retailers would be reluctant to purchase. But it seems as if people are in denial of this, and are acting as if you're the bad guy for pointing this out, and that Hasbruh is just being mean by not making Megatron that turns into a gun that they so desperately want for some reason. But, my opinion on this may be kind of unpopular, as I am kind of tired of the whole G1 rehashing and new figures needing to be 100% G1 toon accurate. I want old Classics stuff, where it is still the G1 character, but with some updating. This is what is done in Gundam for some of the older mobile suits, where they are kept recognizable, but have added detail and updated designs. Keep the classic look, but also add some new to it.
We have people bitching that Masterpiece is “too screen accurate” while also bitching that SS isn’t screen accurate enough.
Sometimes transformers fans make Lego Star Wars fans look level headed
I feel for the former it's a case of people misdiagnosing what went wrong with the later MP line.
Usually when I see complaints about masterpiece, it’s because they made the figure too complicated, or look like a mess like Bee 2.0 or Prime 3.0. I mean it’s kinda bad when the mainline has better engineered figures than the MP line
It's not that the figures were "too accurate" it's that they sacrificed stability and efficiency for a degree of accuracy that wasn't worth the sacrifices. Megatron, in 86, was a handgun, so you by definition cannot create a Studio Series 86 figure of the character without it being a handgun.
@@taylorknight5702i think the best we’re gonna get is a handheld accessory of gun megatron with the SS86 tank version
THe fuck is wrong with MPs being "too screen accurate", isn't that the whole fucking point? They are horribly scaled with main line figures, a big criticism for me personally, but the whole point is that the bigger size and higher price allows for more accuracy and complex transformations. Youu want display figures, go with MP.
You forgot to include studio series crankcase because he's literally just crowbar but with gold paint on his chain hair and his spiked weapons.
If I'm correct, TLK Berserker works as a better Crankcase than Crankcase.
@@chadderbug7587 I agree with you.🤔😏
@@chadderbug7587 the really funny part is SS crowbar is a retool of berserker
Crankcase has to be one of the worst repaints of all time
@@chadderbug7587 Yup when Studio Series came out, I got berserker at Target for $5. Great crankcase.
it’s pretty funny how hasbro shot themselves in the foot by licensing really expensive vehicles in the movies
I don’t know if they really had the choice in the Bay films. It seemed more like Hasbro could only add inputs it the filmmakers could do whatever they wanted.
I mean if they had final say Dino flat out wouldn’t exist. As ferrari is famous for only allowing 1 toy company to have the license, and no “war toys”.
The latter affected his film appearance as that why he didn’t have a blaster and wasn’t actually seen fighting.
One figure is missing here….Studio Series Crankcase because he is severely inaccurate in terms of robot mode.
ooohhh but you forgot the nest repaints of bonecrusher bumblebee and ratchet
@@chriscarpenter3370 Bone and Bee yes, Ratchet no since that was based on his Dark Of The Moon appearance.
1:25 if people are really salty about it, just say he's the Devastation Megatron
While it would be cool to have a new gun Megatron, I think just including a small gun accessory that's vaguely shaped like a Walther P38 for your other figures to hold would be enough. Imagine instead, they create the perfect G1 Megatron robot mode with no semblance of tank in sight, yet still transforms into one. I'd like to see that.
Exactly this, because if you want to get technical him turning I to a gun wouldn't scale properly in gun mode
Well, considering how well the Studio Series 86 Optimus Prime turned out, that might be possible.
Good list. I do agree the gun Megatron argument is pointless. If it's not legal, it can't be helped. The only reason I personally care is simply because modern tank Megatrons have a bad track record with hiding the treads, and giant backpacks.
If they can have the treads fold into the legs to hide them, and not give Megs a giant backpack, I'll be happy. It's not like he transformed a lot anyway in G1. I just want a good bot mode.
By my math, today makes 3 consecutive years of TJ Omega daily uploads so unless I'm really off let me be the first to say CONGRATULATIONS!!!!! Thanks for the consistent and entertaining TF content TJ!
Holy f*ck you're right!
holy shit congratulations to him
Also with Hot Rod and inaccuracy, in concept art for TLK, he was supposed to transform into an M4 Sherman.
SS86 Optimus has Roller and his axe despite neither showing up in the movie. SS86 Hot Rod is the wrong color. SS86 Ironhide is missing his vehicle’s yellow stripe. SS86 Wheelie’s hands are poking out the back of his vehicle mode. SS86 Kup’s chest/windshield (admittedly fixed in the Buzzworthy line).
The accuracy argument already died with Starscream, not just coz of the throne or the greebles, but because it's the CLASSICS-based Earthrise design. And because he's already the SS86 release of the figure, unlike Ironhide/Ratchet, Arcee, Springer, Wheelie, the exosuit, and Magnus, there goes our chance for a redo with him until a looooooooooooooong time.
'86 Ratchet also lacks the red stripe, plus his red crosses (They should've just left them blank, imo)
@@reyonXIII Given it's SS86 *Coronation* Starscream specifically, they could absolutely redo him without the extras and just have a new mould SS86 Starscream.
@@reyonXIII I think they've said that there isn't a minimum window of time between new versions beyond not within a few waves, so it's not impossible.
@@qtarokujo5246Ratchet doesn't have his red crosses because of the same reason as Megatron not being a gun anymore, its straight up just illegal
There is a big difference between being some what inaccurate, but based on a movie in development, and very inaccurate and based on a near 40 year old movie.
Coronation Starscream is an example of the latter; it was already doomed to complete inaccuracy because the base figure is a minor retool of the Earthrise Seeker mold, which itself is basically a modified and upsized take on the Classics Deluxe class Seeker mold.
You never watched the video
@@Dresden_Nova sure did. I still think it’s an important distinction
There were already examples of major inaccuracies present on characters that had finalized designs for years.
I can get the inaccuracy but really, as soon as this figure was revealed to be mainline any notion of it being a gun should be thrown out. SS is the perfect place to put a mainline animation accurate Megatron and to say the figure shouldn’t be in Studio Series or whatever is just splitting hairs at that point. Especially since that kind of figure design probably wouldn’t fit into any other series right now.
I personally love when they fabricate their own outlandish ideas, like Thundercracker. It only bothers me when they take a pre-established onscreen character and botch it.
I'm surprised no company has produced a screen accurate coronation Starscream with his proper wacky proportions, what with his giant pecs
That ripe for like an Ultimates or some statue company to make
Bro, I literally got the second episode of G1 as an ad. IDK if I should skip. Well, here I’ll be for 22 minutes
Just because a figure isn't accurate to their media of origin doesn't mean they're suddenly 0/10 hunks of junk on par with the worst of Titanium (see Legacy Bulkhead) and just because a figure is accurate doesn't mean it's absolved of all its sins (see Evolution Tarn). If it's a good figure, it's a good figure. End of story.
And hey, if 86 Megatron is even a 5th as good at hiding his kibble as 86 Optimus (and as fun as Optimus transformation-wise), then all the gripes about him being a tank will vanish in a matter of seconds after looking at his robot mode.
What sins does Tarn have? He’s a great figure.
Hot Rod shoulders, clear plastic in problematic places, no rolling wheels in tank mode, bizarrely limited ankle tilts, inaccurate scale, and some parts just don’t tab in on my copy of the mold (which is Bludgeon; the superior version of the mold). I’m tired of the fandom pretending this 6/10 at best and 4/10 at worst mold is somehow figure of the year when said year had Gamer Edition Optimus, Armada Optimus, Lio Convoy, Needlenose, Brawn, and ROTB mainline Rhinox.
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho I have both Tarn and Bludgeon (which yes, is the superior version) and I haven’t had any issues with the clear plastic or the tabs. Shoulders don’t really bother me, depending on how they are posed. I’ll agree that it could have used actual wheels for the tank mode. I will say the Cyberverse Tarn is my least favorite version of the mold just due to how inaccurate he is to the cartoon model. No scars on his face and torso, needs one of fhe arms missing, and the sword should have been replaced with the control crown.
Hey does this video mark 3 years? If it does then CONGRATS!
Bro the worst had to be crankcase. If you wanted him you could have just bought berserker. Even the box art is just crowbar with gold hair, so at least one dude at Hasbro HAD to acknowledge this
I am just hoping for an accurate robot mode, maybe he can have removable damage panels to show the damage he took in the battle.
Like i said, i think it was dumb for him to be a gun in the first place, Hasbro should've made him another thing instead while making the gun a loyal decepticon underling
If the Commander Prime didn't include battle damage parts, I don't think the Leader Megatron will
@@frenchfriedbagel7035nah it'd definitely be possible to keep that while having him transform into something cool
I'm surprised Studio Series Crankcase was not included given how it's a literal repaint of Crowbar without any alterations.
Bro just straight up didn't include DOTM SS Crankcase.
On a different note, Exosuit Noah is just given an alt mode because they want to sell it as Transformers, especially because of the 86 exosuits being given a "transformed" state. There's no real reason for Noah to have an alt mode in the first place, Hasbro has to find one to keep it in the Transformers brand, otherwise they will have to wait until the G.I. Joe live-action crossover is about to reach its final stages in development, by which they will have to make the toys and give Noah a proper toy.
If, if, Noah has an exo suit in any G.I. Joe movie, it can't be the one he had in RotB because he used that to repair Mirage (or at least that would make sense considering that was the parts of Mirage he had)
@@Retro_Red And as one Joe who would gain a big impact for his connection with the Transformers, I dub his codename "Dirk Manus". The rest of the Joes will laugh at his codename throughout most of the movie when he's ever called, but they will change their mind about it near the end.
SS86 Megatron should come with a gun accessory that resembles his 80s gun mode that can be held by other toys.
Can I just say i disagree on the point of prior figures within studio series being not 100% accurate means an “auto-okay” for the case of SS86 Megatron?
If prior figures strived for accuracy, but did not manage to achieve it, does not mean we should just cease to strive any further.
Plus, I think people are just sick of tank megatron, especially when can be seen as a sort of whitewashing of the original alternate form.
I can sympathise with the idea that some people hold the sentiment that if it cannot be done, then it should not be done, especially if they have a particularly strong attachment to that iteration of megatron.
Crankcase is a repaint of Crowbar, a remold of Berserker... who was based on Crankcase. So why did they repaint Crowbar, giving Crankcase the completely wrong robot mode when the Berserker tooling was accurate and right there?
People complain about accuracy, while at the same time ss86 optimus has a completely inaccurate head
Hasbro dont you fumble up Dotm Wheeljack's alt mode and robot mode, his 2011 toy was awesome, he had an awesome robot design and that Mercedes is literally my dream car for life.
personally i think what’s more important than accuracy in studio series is getting the vibes right. bb optimus? not entirely screen accurate, but he’s got the big chunky dadbot vibes, he feels right. ge decepticon trooper? screen accurate, but doesnt have the sinister deceptigoon vibes, he feels incorrect even if he is technically on the mark. volkswagen bee? a bit concept art, but he’s very friend shaped. dino/mirage had to swap out the altmode that his entire character was based on, but it’s still in the ballpark of sleek sportscar. ya gotta feel it as much as you see it, ya dig?
I'm surprised he didn't mention Dino since he's perfect example of not being able to get the necessary licenses
i really wish they didn't make dino a ferrari if they were gonna be a stickler about licenses because having such a cool robot be a ferrari 458 which is one of my favourite looking cars but no dino toy that turns into an official 458 just blows
Daniel’s / spikes exit should have just transformed like it did in the movie, legs straight down, arms to the chest, wheels on shins and forearms, that would have been so much easier and ACCURATE, what were they thinking here 😂
me and a friend bought some toy gins from the dollar tree in the mall and played make believe matrix but then some cops got mad, they couldn't understand the beauty of the childish innocence we were portraying, just a couple of lads reliving their childhoods playing pew pew.I can see the mall cancelling those orders after that, it was their fault after all. the police were being hysterical, like calm down, scaredy pants
Say that again when your life might literally be on the line. And that it's your job. Perspective is a powerful determiner for one's mindset. Point is, don't assume your view is always accurate.
Cops are trained to simultaneously act like they’re always under threat but also carry deadly weapons in spaces where no one else should be. American policing is horrendous
@@Trebleshotbro toy guns are usually obvious as hell to be toys, if you are a cop and misunderstood and mistake toy gun from real one you should probably 1.quit your job or 2. Get some glasses to see properly the difference between ones
@@quickshot112
1. Keyword being usually. That doesn't apply to every toy gun, and the original comment didn't specify what theirs looked like.
2. Real guns can also be easily disguised as fake ones.
@@quickshot112 Glasses don't help in a dark alley where you don't know what to expect. Also as another pointed out, real guns can be disguised as fake. Likewise the reverse is true. Again, perspective and being in the moment. Unless you've actually done the job, don't think it's as easy as you profess. I've known prenty of cops over the years and it's not a simple Mayberry job, even for the best of them.
They need to include a scale Megatron in all modes amd lines so transformers can hold him for accuracy. If 86 Megatron became a gun it wouldn't be accurate because he's a giant gun. A Megatron gun accessory solves all the problems while giving him the better mode.
Hopefully 86 Megatron comes with a tiny gun other transformers can hold, so the "muh screen accuracy" people get enough of a bone to chew on to complain a bit less
I'm one of those "Megatron turning into a gun is kinda dumb and compromises every figure made to be a G1 Megatron" people.
So yeah, give me the tank, just dont re-use Siege Megatron.
heres few more for you
as far as I remember, hotrod never used his guns in the 86 movie, only his wrist blasters, so he shouldn't have come with those
obligitory "original SS86 ironhide doesn't have the yellow stripe!" (and by extension, ratchet doesn't have his red stripe either, both of those are limited to the corpse versions)
swoop comes with swords for him and grimlock. don't remember either of them ever using swords in the movie.
Also, Springer's "iconic hammer" that's became a meme.
Don’t forget ss32 Optimus he’s too short
And, of course, the biggest inaccuracy of studio series Shatter and Dropkick....
They aren't triplechangers.
TJ caught me on a technicality here because I recently rewatched the G1 cartoon and I swore I saw Perceptor driving in his tank mode. BUT, I went back and found the episode (The Gambler) and at the very end of the episode it is implied that Perceptor is driving along with everyone to go and gamble but technically we do not see him doing so. We only see 4 shadows in the distance which is either Optimus/Bee/Inferno and Perceptor OR its Smokescreen who caught up to them from driving so fast
Also someone pointed out that it's your 3 year anniversary of doing non-stop videos so thank you for all your hard work!!!
There's definitely an episode where he's seen rolling out with the other Autobots, but it's in microscope mode, not tank mode.
Now that you mention it TJ, I really hate the "oh that's just Bayverse, we're talking about *real* Transformers" bullshit. If someone doesn't like the Bay movies that's all well and good, but I hate how this fandom can have so many gatekeepy assholes in it
The really wierd thing with the BB Optimus is that the Marmon is essentially a G1 coloured version of the truck mode of Evasion Optimus from AOE... whose toy from 10 years ago used the Freightliner 'cause they were banking on the G1 nostaliga of the COE truck rather than accuracy. Not only that but the gimmicky figures from the Bumblebee toyline which has the freightliner alt mode uses the Evasion design for it's robots mode, _and_ the Masterpiece uses the Marmon as well.
The gamer edition design are actually accurate to the DS games
And the funniest part is that toyline's "motto" is focusing on accuraccy when for ROTB and ONE they're using outdated designs see Scourge for example
Gun Megatron fanatics should give up. Megatron makes more sense as a tank.
Personally speaking, I still want a SkyWarp to go with that SS "DOTM" ThunderCracker!! (And Bayverse StarScream too naturally)
I’m fine with tank Megatron as long as they include a gun accessory so statscream can hold it to recreate that scene
The gun was always stupid but as long as they hide his treads He should be mostly accurate
Nicely done video, great points made and you didn't even have to refer to the fabulous Bayverse Dino whom I both love the Studio Series release and find a massive blow. Everyone has their breaking point with acceptability, I can't come at that WW2 Bee at all and I want as many Bees as I can get.
4:30 I mean, he didn't *have* a weapon in the movie so that argument sorta just falls flat. Also I own Sideways and the head isn't actually just slathered in silver paint like that, it does actually have dark grey for the face.
Dino is another example that always comes to mind, all because of Ferrari's dickish attitude towards their license.
I honestly think Shadow Raider looks cooler than lockdown, I adore the orange Lamborghini
the worst offender that's missing from this list is 07 megatron who is using the rotf chest design for some ungodly reason despite them not even being similar
That’s like almost every studio series toy I have mentioned in this video for being innacurate
So yea you are right, there are studio series with not correct vehicle modes. Is there any that are a totally different kind of thing for their vehicle mode? I also 100% understand the no toy gun thing. I am okay with him being a tank as long as his robot mode resembles his on screen bot mode. With that said, I really want him to come with a gun that is Megatron's G1 form.
SS ROTB Scourge should have been on the list
To add more toys to the pile, SS 10 Jazz is inacurate, the headlights are meant to be near his hands on his forearms but they are up on the shoulders. I know its a small toy, i'm just pointing out its also inacurate
I'm surprised Movie 1 Megatron wasn't on this list, given how his chest is not accurate to the first movie at all, but rather he has his ROTF chest.
Something I find pretty dumb about the toy gun Megatron debate is Galvatron is allowed to be a turret, so why not Megatron and Shockwave?
Let’s hope that new SS’86 Perceptor that is coming with Ramhorn and Ratbat doesn’t come with the molded treads on his lower legs🤞🏼
It is weird how he can ramble about Perceptor's "tank" mode that is completely optional and barely affects the other modes (he has tank treads you can barely see, get out the pitch fork!) but then the first version of Kup had the STUPID clear chest with random panel detail behind it that comes from no other version of the character.
18:05 Hypocrites that they are.
A tank fits Megs way better anyway.
Plus, you'll get the megatron gun accessory from Centurion Drone, so his gun mode is ACTUALLY IN SCALE.
SS86 Megs just needs to have the barrel on his back and I'll be fiiiine.
I don’t want a gun mode, but I think making it a SS86 megatron just invites criticism.
@@NerdRahtio Yes.
However.
It will sell.
Because Megatron.
I only need my SS figures to look accurate enough on a shelf. As long as they are identifiable, I’m fine with it. I know that is probably blasphemy but I love this toyline and the sacrifices on figures so far haven’t stopped me from buying every toy in the whole line
I subscribe to the idea said by Diamond Bolt that they are only doing this so that they never have to make Skids and Mudflap
too bad ss86 megatron will also be innacurate
Buzzworthy wasn’t an offshoot it was just a dumb name for Target exclusives. Studio Series 79 only released as a Target Exclusive, so if you want a full set you have to get the Buzzworthy Bumblebee SS79. I know some figures were released in both mainline and at Target in Buzzworthy but that does not mean they weren’t apart of the line. Buzzworthy was just meant to have Target exclusives across every single Toyline going at any given time. Hence the Cyberverse toys, Legacy Toys, WFC Toys, and Studio Series. While I know the title of Buzzworthy Bumblebee makes people want to call it a Toyline of its own but it really was not that when you look at it objectively
I wouldn't feel some sort of mental contradiction with Studio Series Megatron being the War for Cybertron Trilogy version, if somehow the main line was for that (since the WFC trilogy was well over 30 years after 1986)
Kinda shocked TJ didn't mention the lack of red stripes on 86 Starscream's tailfins, which is arguably the most glaring innaccuracy. And before people complain, yes, he did have red stripes on his tailfins in the animation. Thankfully they've fixed this error in the upcoming version. (Side note, not even the original Earthrise mold had accurate red striping, but I digress) Even the Masterpiece mold has this issue as well. The tailfins just look so dull and boring completely in blue. The red definitely helped to break up all that blue, and it looked cool too!
My personal one, is Legacy Armada Starscream. Of course, there's the two obvious ones: his sword isn't red, and his lower chest should be black. These don't bother me as much, since in the anime, when his sword isn't powered up, it is grey, which is accurate, and in several frames and shots, Starscream's lower chest is completely red (the Japanese outro is where this is most apparent, as we can clearly see his lower chest is red when it slowly pans down on his body) the one that does bother me, is that for one, his null-ray cannons are left completely unpainted (likely due to budget constraints) as are the shoulder mounts they're attatched to (they're supposed to be red) and his lower legs are the completely wrong color, and his knee fins colors are inverted. (a mistake carried over from the thrilling 30s mold) But by far the most egregious innaccuracy, is the folding canards. Why the designers thought his canards needed to fold down in robot mode, is beyond me. Its such a waste of the budget as well, as not only do they not contribute anything in either mode, they also hinder the waist articulation if you fold them back and peg them in.
Lastly, here's one innaccuracy I'm surprised no one has picked up on yet: Starscream's wings are a tad bit too short. (As is his sword) And while they don't look too bad in robot mode, they do make the jet mode feel a bit stubby. The wings needed to be at least an inch or so longer.
Honestly, all I care about isthem giving him a blaster shaped like his gun mode.
Studio series 86 megatron I’m having my expectations at a low level and I’m not being shocked to see it when it’s being revealed
Let’s talk about DOTM Dino who transforms into “red sports car”
btw, why they didn't used green cross for Ratchet? Didn't wanted to break up white-red-blue colours?
I thought the yanks just had to put an orange cap on the tip to sell a toy gun?
Congratulations on the streak!
Seeing what they did with commander prime, I think it is possible they will HIDE how he turns into a tank. Seeing how they got rid of the tires on prime, they could get rid of the treads INTO Megatron. So if his robot mode is fully accurate and they include his gun mode as an accessory, you could LITERALLY have the best of both worlds. Actually it'll be even MORE accurate because it will technically allow him to mass shift.
All these characters need a repain in some cases and a 2.0 that's more accurate in others. Also I still stand by my opinion that 86 Megatron should be a gun, even if they have to go the Classics route of it being more like a nerf gun in designing. At least they're all the right shapes.
G1 Megatron is unfortunately always going to be divisive because either route they go down, people will be angry. If they make him more like his Classics toy, people will be angry he's not a realistic gun and possiblya shellformer. If they go with a tank, you'll have people who are sick of seeing a "G1" tank Megatron, if you do something else every will be unhappy.
I personally would accept shellformer Megatron, because it would be closer to what his alt mode actually was. They could even have the shell come off his back for a clean G1 accurate robot mode.
When will studio series going to make Mudflap and Skids !?!?
I think one thats missing is hot rod, wrong vehicle shape and color
What ww2 vehicles do you think would fit the 1984 cast of transformers?
Great video and you’re absolutely correct.
Here to throw in a 'GUNN NOT TANK' comment
My favourite Studio Series figures are the Bumblebee concept figures, so as far as I'm concerned, Hasbro can go hog wild.
I genuinely don’t understand Studio series bumblebee prime, for some reason he’s a Marmon HDT-AC-86, the truck he was in AOE, not the freight liner FLA-86 he was in the bb movie, it’s such a weird change and I don’t get it.
I've been watching tj argue with these idiots on Twitter, actually been surprisingly funny
Jazz, Crankcase, Dino, and 86 Grimlock also could have made this list
The only one in this entire video that is inaccurate in the same way is that Bumblebee mold and that's got the wrong alt mode because they based it on a concept design that was supppose to look like that before they changed it in the actual movie. Everything else is nit picking tiny little details not major things.
Like even the WFC design which I agree is not accurate. The original deluxe is more accurate than that thing is. But it's close enough.
If you make G1 Megatron anything other than a gun it's not going to be a G1 Megatron anymore. That's the problem. Hasbro legally can not make a G1 Megatron because they can't make him a gun.
I've seen the Megatron they're making, that's his Devastation design, call it Devastation Megatron and release it in Gamer Edition packaging, problem solved. But Studio Series 86 it is not.
The only possible way to get an 86 Megatron is if Takara makes the figure and it's a Japanese only release like the Masterpiece was. Because they can still make him a gun.
And personally I don't even want a gun Megatron. I have the legends scale one that's a gun. That's good enough for me. It has some inaccuracies like he diesn't have the gun barrow sticking up on his back and he doesn't have any if the accessories he's suppose to have in the alt mode but those are small little nit picky things. It's still a gun which inherently makes that mold more accurate than giving me a tank and trying to convince me that's the same Megatron that appeared in the 86 movie.
That would be like making Optimus transform into the long nose truck he's had in more modern depictions and trying to convince me it's the G1 version. No it's not the G1 version is that flat nose. You can't give me a modern take on a character and try to convince me it's the original. I don't have a problem with reimagining a character but if you're going to than market it that way don't gaslight me into the idea that this is supose to be something it's not.
Even that WW2 Bumblebee has the excuse of well at least the robot mode is accutare. There's no other Bumblebee that could be even if it's wrong. But Megatron has a more accurate depiction the tank design could represent sitting right there, it's not 86 Megatron it's Gamer Edition Devastation Megatron. If they just advertised it for what it really is no one would complain.
So this is why we can't have a gun Megatron anymore. Because of the US.
All they had to do was say Megatron was going to be a cannon in Studio Series and not a tank. Saying the word "tank" was the WORST possible choice. The tank fatigue from that abused Siege mold was too much, and far too fresh. They failed to "read the room" and caused all this on their own. They likely could even have caused less backlash by making him a jet. Hasbro could have stopped all this before it began, and that's why PR firms are supposed to exist!
So basically we've had concept art figures long before Concept Series? 😅
Also, am I the only one who overall likes Exo-suit Spike? My only real issue is the lack of head detail.
The "innacuracy" and also cause Blackout's way too goddamn expensive is why I just use Grindor as my shelf's blackout. Plus, better colors than that games workshop gray of the original and some actual poseable hands instead of the flaps the original Blackout had
I completely understand why Megatron can't be a gun, and have no issue with a Studio Series version transforming into a tank. That being said, this argument is flawed from the start. Let me explain.
In all examples given, the figure either:
A. Did not accurately match the source material in either vehicle mode or robot mode - whether that was due to vehicle licensing, taking designs from concept art, or restrictions in budget or engineering challenges.
B. Had a vehicle mode made up strictly for transformation purposes (like Noah).
These are all valid arguments for Studio Series inaccuracy, but are false equivalencies compared to the Megatron situation. In all of the examples in the video, the alt mode may have not been accurate to the source material but at least they were the same TYPE of alt mode. Mirage was still a car, Prime was still a truck, etc. That's like being upset that Studio Series 86 Megatron was made into a revolver, not a P-38. It's just not the same comparison. Now if they made a Studio Series Prime into a jet or a tank instead of a truck, THEN this argument would hold some weight.
Most of these are just nitpicks. Megatron is an entirely different form. Big difference from barricade still being a car that looks like an audi but doesn't have the labeling of the car due to licensing.
SS86 Kup’s vehicle mode color is inaccurate. Springer never used his “iconic” hammer. Hot Rod never used guns in the film(fun fact) and neither did Brawn have a drill in BBM. In fact, none of the other Cybertron scene characters even transformed in the first place!
"megatron should be a gun because it's more accurate" mfs when i tell them tank megatron is way cooler: 🤯🤯🤯
sometimes i wonder if i'm a real g1er when i think the rest of them are all super annoying and also am willing to enjoy things outside of it
Yea, I stopped collecting transformers since Prime ended. They got smaller, more expensive, and feel cheaper. I was gifted a studio series DOTM Roadbuster and that thing is tiny and it takes like 3 steps to transform it.
Isn’t Kup inaccurate too? I don’t have it anymore, but I seem to remember him being a fair bit wrong in his design, not to mention the basic part of where he separates is actually not where he broke in the movie. But I think that was a dumb add in the first place
welp i guess you got your wish anwsered
you didn't even mention Crankase, which is the WORST offender by far, because it's literally Crowbar if he had gold locks!
Can I make a funny lampshade on this? Shockwave and Galvatron are naturally unrealistic if handled as guns in the first place (case in point, they are TF-original designs), so the selling of non-realistic guns are just stuck with NERF, where there are no limits in regards to being designed, and Hasbro refused to sell a gun in Transformers, period, when they know they can never fit in NERF's ideology in G1 remasters. While I can understand why Megatron can never even get a hidden gun mode people would have to find on their own since he's based on a real gun with illegal mods from The Man From U.N.C.L.E., the fact that Shockwave and Galvatron can never even be advertised to be a gun shows how far gone the gun laws have become.
Shockwave's G1 toy wasn't made by Hasbro/Takara. Like many toys prior to 1986, it was licensed from Japanese toy company ToyCo.
We need masterpiece rise of the beast mirage
The law screwed G1 Megatron out of an accurate alt mode for Studio Series ‘86. In that case I’d rather Hasbro not even do it. The other examples could always get another try. I think any other alt mode would be a bit too far. So, it’s going to be a hard pass.
Idc bout screen accuracy all like that im just happy there bringing out a megs in 86 studio series wether its a gun or tank ..honestly if it was a gun it be boring cuz its not like another bot could hold him anyways
I, too, am sick of the "Here's how they can do a new gun Megatron" people. Its not even a good solution because the REAL problem is that the G1 toy's transformation scheme keeps needing to be shackled to becoming a gun in their eyes. I am 100% certain you could HEAVILY retool a hypothetical Missing Link Megatron into an umbambiguous jet or tank with the right clever tricks and pass that off as "this was ALWAYS the G1 mold, it never was a gun, stop thinking this engineering was ever used for a gun" to finally put the issue to true rest.
Am I crazy?
Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?
You know what really gets me? I can abide by some level of inaccuracy for various reasons. But when the end result is not only inaccurate, but doesn't look good, then I have a problem. BB Blitzwing is a prime example of this. His alt mode is inaccurate, and looks terrible. What makes it even worse is that Hasbruh has done jet modes that are genericified, yet far closer to what they are supposed to be, like Classics or Earthrise Starscream. It feels like something that exists for no reason. Robot mode inaccuracy is another infuriation, unless there is a good reason for it. Like, having the bot mode be not quite right because of the vehicle mode being changed. Or the design being based on early concept art for a concurrent movie.But, when there is no obvious reason for the inaccuracy, it ends up being infuriating. Studio Series Soundwave gets this bad. He is not accurate in either mode, for no reason. It's not like this is a new design, this is based off of a 10+ year old movie design. It also doesn't have the excuse of being a repaint. The FOC SS Megatron is just as bad. Like, you can go off of the final in game design. Why go off of early concept art when you don't need to? Complete garbage compromise for no reason.
I find it kind of annoying how butthurt people are getting over how SS 86 Megatron can't be a gun. Like, it's a dumb alt mode, and on screen for maybe all of 5 seconds. Most of the iconic moments in the movie are Megatron in robot mode, and I absolutely think that should be the emphasis. My solution to this is to have Megs turn into a tank, but have the tank kibble removable so you have the option of having a clean robot mode.
Second reply, because I posted prematurely and UA-cam removed the ability to edit comments for some garbage reason.
Further, to be truly screen accurate, Megs would have to turn into a gun small enough to be held by Starscream, which is of course impossible. So, the best course of action is to include an accessory that is Megatron in his alt mode, which would not fall under toy gun laws because it would be too small, and have no grip. I'm kind of tired about all the whining about Megatron not being a gun. It has always been, and will always be a dumb alt mode, and we all need to move on. But, @TJOmega , I will call you out on one thing. I don't think realistic toy guns are illegal, per se. But, that absolutely does not change the fact that many, if not most retailers would not carry a realistic toy gun, legality aside. That fact alone would pretty much doom any Megatron figure with a gun mode, as there is no way that Hasbro would make a figure that retailers would be reluctant to purchase. But it seems as if people are in denial of this, and are acting as if you're the bad guy for pointing this out, and that Hasbruh is just being mean by not making Megatron that turns into a gun that they so desperately want for some reason. But, my opinion on this may be kind of unpopular, as I am kind of tired of the whole G1 rehashing and new figures needing to be 100% G1 toon accurate. I want old Classics stuff, where it is still the G1 character, but with some updating. This is what is done in Gundam for some of the older mobile suits, where they are kept recognizable, but have added detail and updated designs. Keep the classic look, but also add some new to it.