Can everyone here collectively agree that Valentino is the biggest piece of dog shit that has ever been animated, but his design is absolutely amazing?
the voice change of Angel Dust when switching personas is a big W from the VA! You can actually hear his high pitch tone while joking about sex switching to a deeper voice when he's hurt or sad. Amazing voice acting!
Yeah, honestly it shook me when I watched it for the first time (literally last night) and heard how deep Angel's voice got when he said "yes Valentino" the second time
As someone who was a victim of SA, stayed with toxic abusers, and chose poor coping mechanisms and facades I adore Angel. I feel seen and represented. The people who've never experienced something like this need to shut their mouths and stop yapping and let people like me decide if we like this kind of representation or not, and it will be subjective to every single one of us as we all have different stories. This is frankly none of the business of the average Twitter Joe society.
I feel so sorry that that happened to you, but I am also glad that you're finding something good enough in the media that can represent even a little bit of yourself and what you've gone through.
@@characterblub2.0Oh, for SURE. Haha, good times (not really). I started very young. I remember when my best friends collectively decided in third grade whispering to each other that they weren't going to associate with me anymore. They were both good people, and I don't blame them. I made them SUPER uncomfortable. Then of course in the online space I was allowed to be hyper nasty, and I became known for that for YEARS. It took me a long time to realize I didn't actually LIKE being that person when I kept angrily telling everyone I wasn't just a piece of meat and to be kinder to me.
@@chicapizza29 Yeah, it definitely hurts, but at the same time, as I said, I adore the representation. TW// A 15 year old girl started pimping me out when I was 8 who was every bit as aggressive, nasty, and manipulative as Val. Shes a p*do too because she continued this behavior when she was 21 and I was 13. I still won't say her name online because I'm scared she'll come back for me. I'm 20 now. I'm scared to pursue an online career because of her too. I have like- this dumb irrational fear that people will side with her because I was a mean nasty kid who said mean nasty things to people to cope, and like I said, I was hyper sexual, and nobody likes 'that bitch'. It's morbid how often I hope she's drank her way into the grave by now. I'm scared to check. I hope she's gone so often, along with her minions who tormented me. It's important to spread awareness of these things. Angel is just the tip of the iceburg. Child on child and female on female SA and harassment is a huge issue no one addresses sadly. But I'm so happy they're at least bringing male on male SA and abuse to light with Angel, because that's just as overlooked and needs to be addressed too.
This!!! I LOVE Angel because so many of us have been Angel at some point in our lives or we currently are. It's nice to feel seen even we're at our lowest
If the violence isn't being fetishized or disrespectfully shown then there's no reason to attack it. The shit exists and it needs to be shown. Treating abuse like a taboo that media shouldn't highlight is doing current and future victims no favors. I imagine it is viscerally uncomfortable for victims. It's uncomfortable even for non-victims. But avoiding topics because it makes people uncomfortable lets things like this fester and benefit from collective ignorance.
The fact that people will get uncomfortable by these scenes is the whole point. To showcase the evils of abuse. And for the victims acting like its a taboo to talk about, they are literally Angel Dust in this situation. Unable to confront their demons and accept that they happened or happen in general
I completely agree with your point as a victim myself. With things constantly being silenced and not being able to be shown. It feels like a don't know how to express what could happen or what happened to me in a healthier safe light. Things like this showing that it happens and I'm not alone. It's wonderful. Like the loser song itself Just basically tells me that I'm not alone that life is a shit Sandwich. But at least you're not in the shit Sandwich sinkin by yourself.
@@chumley04I think the reason why a lot of people are in comfortable is. Maybe some people who have it went through these scenes and things like that feel like they're helping by pointing it out but really it's causing more harm. Than good.
@@cyberlily883 I gotta get an opinion from someone more in place to talk about it, Is Angel and his situation well written? Well handled? People keep dogpiling on the song, the scene, everything about it, while i think its fine- its clear that I am inable to see it from the perspective of a victim
Moth actually, and considering moths are nocturnal creatures who attract mates through pheromones and Valentino uses that red smoke to keep Angel addicted, it is VERY fitting
The loser song isn't victim blaming, Husk helped Angel by saying that he wasn't alone in such a bad situation and that if he shares his pain with others it will be better. There wasn't a single moment where Husk blamed Angel for what is happening to him.
Hell... it's literally Husk going "Look I'm in the same situation... don't pretend it's a good thing. But we can be in it together and help each other."
I think the song is a good exemple of the difference between niceness an kindness. Charlie tries to reach out to angel multiple times, but her overly nice attitude often have the opposite of the intended effect as angel feels too intimidated and mistrusting to confide into her, especially since he cant tell if her kindness toward him is genuine. Husk on the other hand manages to connect and relate to Angel much more effectively despite being much meaner on the surface.
@@blackbloom8552 they definitely didn't. These people don't have the time to watch the show because they are sooo busy complaining about everything on Twitter. Context is for the people with functioning brains.
Something I find interesting about Charlie is she’s elitism in reverse, she doesn’t feel superior that she was born better than everyone she feels bad she was born better than everyone. She sees her own issues as minuscule because she she was born into power, and she hates abusing it because she didn’t earn it, she wants to help people because she feels undeserving to be given so many opportunities to everyone else could only dream of and over blows the issues of others to the point she forces herself into the situation regardless of other’s feelings.
It’s worse when you consider she’s the princess of Hell. In a world where people have it much worse than you. There’s a larger gap of class, and suffering in Hell, then there is on Earth. Lower class may have it hard, but in Hell, it’s much worse. That feeling of guilt for being born into power, on Earth, is magnified in Hell. Because people, like the lowest class, Imps, are suffering much worse in Hell than on Earth.
That’s a really good way to view her rather than just “Daddy issues” since she and Lucifer seem to be on good terms. Your interpretation is really good, let’s hope that it doesn’t devolve (or stagnate) as the show goes on rather than evolving to show her growing alongside everyone else.
@@RinitaChan The relationship with her dad seems healthy. But her mom must have a good reason why she hasn’t spoke to her in seven years. That’s certainly something big to unpack later. Though, I can’t help but think there could be some benefactors in Heaven as well as Hell, that would want to perpetuate the status qoe. It could all be a conspiracy involving not just Heaven, but the higher ups in Hell as well.
This episode hit way too close to home, not only Angel’s situation but Charlie trying to find the middle ground between “too nice” and “mean.” I can relate to both of them. I don’t know why Twitter has to be mad at everything. This episode is an incredible showcase of an abusive relationship and feeling like you can’t escape from it.
I love Angel’s pause when he says “thanks for caring about me” like…he WANTS to say “thanks for trying” but knows that her trying to help made things worse, so the next best thing he can think to say is “thanks for caring about me”
i read that pause as more him realizing that there are people who do actually care about him. enough to try and stand up to val in charlie's case and enough to understand him in husk's case
People always throw a fit when SA is shown as a traumatic experience but everyone is quiet when it's being romanticized. I'm a survivor and I love Angel's character because being hypersexual is an actual coping mechanism and I like that they don't romanticize it, they show the painful reality of it. for me personally, hazbin hotel is the first show I've seen where the survivor is treated like a person, not just sympathy points for the plot or "look SA edgy haha". never thought I'd see an adult cartoon take traumatic topics seriously but Viv did that and I love her for it. Edit: the scene at the bar/song with Angel and Husk was so fucking comforting and healing to see.
I actually really appreciate when, in fan content where they make porn that, in a sense, romanticizes things like this, they give some sort of note about it being disgusting, horrible, and just downright abusive in real situations and that if any viewers are going through something similar, should try to get out of it however they can. It's when people avoid that, get defensive, or just don't acknowledge it in some way when I get triggered. As someone who, I guess, became hypersexual instead of sex adverse, I always immensely appreciate seeing those notes or side comments on explicit fan work that, ya know, acknowledges the reality of it. People have their kinks and fetishes that I don't mind them indulging in, especially in the fictional sense, but it's very important to acknowledge (repeating a lot of words, I apologize) those realities, especially if it's not fan content and it's official stuff, and I think there are a lot of shows and movies with that problem where they romanticize really fucking toxic relationships and even abusive relationships. It's disgusting, sickening, and harmful. I will forever love Hazbin Hotel for how they handle these topics. It's so real in a painful, yet comforting way, if that makes sense? Anyways, I just wanted to add on a little to what you said. Completely agree!
@@Fandom_Gremlin Yes!!! seriously! I don't remember where I saw it but someone commented something like "I'll never forgive adult swim for canceling a show for talking about SA as a serious topic. It's fine if SA is used as a joke, but not fine if it's taken seriously." We need more shows like hazbin hotel where it's portrayed as WHAT IT IS and not a joke or a fantasy. It's the worst trauma someone could go through, it's not "funny" or "hot".
I have noticed that when SA is shown as a traumatic experience in video media people get mad And the Hypersexual nature of angle as a way to cope is a perfect choice, From my experience in the creepypasta fandom, when it comes to victims of SA sometimes they link asexuality as a direct after-effect of the trauma, (which very well can happen) but it angers me when they change a character too much to center on this trauma like always trying to shift the story to cover the Incident in Roleplay scenarios or trying to Gatekeep a character that was pre-written a way that contradicts their headcanon When properly written PTSD can be a great Driving Factor for character building and even healing. (Edit: Apologies for poor punctuation and grammar mistakes, i was heated when i typed this, i'll fix it when i can)
@@Blinkentheproto I completely agree. I was asexual before my trauma, and I still became hypersexual to cope with it. A coping mechanism doesn't make me any less asexual than I was before. It makes me upset when people say that asexuality only stems from trauma. It's such a broad and complicated subject. One of my favorite shows that actually has good representation of SA survivors is Moral Orel but it is really hard to watch because they don't shy away from showing the harsh reality of SA and how it impacts people. it's a heartbreaking but very real and important topic.
Something I just realized is that Valentino and Angel's relationship is the inverse of a spider and a moth's relationship where Valentino is the predator that has Angel trapped in his web
@@mawrmawr83It might cool if Angel Dust killed Valentino and took his place a Overlord especially since we know that Overlords are not necessarily heartless.
1. The fact that Alastor , a literal cannibalistic serial killer, is more respectable than Valentino really says a lot about how much of a total P.O.S the latter is. He's just an abusive arsehole who flips his personality on a dime to make people who are defenseless fear him. Vox and Velvette even seem completely done with him since they constantly have to keep an eye on him so he doesn't do something that makes them ALL look bad. 2. Angel Dust's facade breaking entirely in front of Husk shows that he actually does respect him enough for his rejection/dismissal to actually hurt him a little. 3. Husk being a former overlord who literally gambled away his power, respect and the comfort that came with them is a really cool origin. Him and Angel actually finding common ground, breaking the ice between them and having someone to vent to about Valentino, was *GREAT*
Sinners’ forms in Hell are representative of their lives and/or deaths. Alastor was a serial killer and cannibal and was mistaken for a deer by hunters. Ergo, wendigo. Val was a pimp, adult film executive, or both. Moths use pheromones to attract mates, which explains his smoking motif.
Right? I would must rather sell my soul to Alastor and just be a bartender or maid than whatever the hell Valentino would have planned for me. Despite Alastor probably being way more powerful than Valentino, he somehow treats his victims still more humane.
This is basically the concept "Refuge in Audacity". Alastor's sins are very over the top; sure, serial killers do exist in real life too of course, but they're very rare and the extent of Alastor's sins is basically so over-the-top that you can't take it seriously. It's the kind of evil that's so extreme that it feels unreal Valentino's evil however is very _very_ real and much more common, and that makes him seem far more evil despite, objectively speaking, Alastor is actually the worst person of the two.
@@soulangela7154 I just realised alastors ‘minions’ come in the form of the service industry. He’s got a maid (nifty), a bartender, repairmen. Nifty aside, i can totally see him taking Angel into his retinue as part of the Vees beef with him.
When they are bound with ropes , Angel's rope is chaotic and Husk's is neatly wrapped. Maybe pointing to the nature of their respective "owners". Valentino being an emotional in-the-moment type & Alastor being neat/calculating.
I was actually wondering about this! The difference stood out to me as well. I think your idea is very good! Personally, I thought it represented the amount of "hold" their overlords have over them. Maybe husk is on a tighter leash than Angel. But I think I like your idea better! 😁
True. It could also be representing the fact that the contract that Val has on Angel is tying him up but can be escaped from with a bit of work/power to assist (Probably poorly written and/or has numerous loopholes that can be exploited), while Alastor's contract with Husk is... well. "Alastor being neat/calculating" as you say could also be used to describe the contract with the feline sinner. Iron clad, well written without a loophole to exploit in Husk's favor, and inescapable unless Alastor is double dead or he lets Husk go (Or maybe Charlie or her father sever the contract? Idk. It's just a theory that it could be one of they're abilities.) either way it's gonna be a pain to get out of.
@@durratulaishah3703 I think that will be the key thing for his redemption in (possibly) season 2 With all his progress in the hotel, he gets ready to confront valentino for the last time, and will find a loophole that will finally let his soul free from his abusive hands, finally ready to ascend into heaven
Honestly, at this point, Twitter is The Boy Who Cried Hazbin Hotel Drama. Every single time there's a new controversy going around it turns out to be a big ol' nothing burger that gets stupider the longer you think about it. It's just not possible for me to take any of it seriously anymore.
dude have you been on twitter recently....like i get nux hasnt updated his jokes since like 2017 but ever since elon bought it out its been a right wing hell hole....there is no one trying to "cancel" hazbin hotel 5 people making a attention grab is not a cancelation movement. the reception to hazbin hotel is positive on twitter....like i literally am checking through it and you have to actually seek out a negative response and it had 22 likes....is this what you think drama is?
@@diveblock2058 You may want to look at the replies to Amazon Prime's Hazbin Hotel's trailer...it's a few more freaks than 5. And they all have blue checkmarks. We make the Twitter jokes, because they are still painfully relevant.
Dude, I'm not talking about it's critical reception. Hazbin has had controversy after controversy literally from the moment it was annouced. Hell, I remember they were dealing with drama back when they were still doing cleanup animation streams for the pilot, like 5 years ago. I think you might be forgetting just how long this series has been in development for.
The little moth noises Val makes if you pay attention are at moments where hes the most… unhappy. They are perfect. But outshined by the moments where Angels voice slips back to his “true” voice. Not the voice everyone hears. When hes at his weakest :(
Note how every step of the way once she entered the studio Valentino was Pushing her buttons to see how far he could go and what levers he could use to control... what is basically someone who Outranks him in every way, but isn't willing to use that power to SLAP him down and just take what she wants. He realizes that Angel is the best leash he has to control her actions and uses him that way. Charlie COULD tear him apart, COULD tear him down... but that goes against everything of who she is, and Angel Dust getting caught in the crossfire just outright douses any desire to approach from that direction. Valentino is a slimy asshole who is GOOD at finding ways to manipulate people... it's the common trait of the Vs which their empire is built around.
Honestly this is the best example of being good is bad, Charlie could solve Angel's issues in a heartbeat by just straight up killing Valentio, then and there but because she believes that being violent is not the answer, Angel will never be free.
@@Kal-213 It's uncertain thus far if Charlie may have some unique ability to perma-kill demons due to her angelic heritage or not. I would assume so, otherwise all the power in the world wouldn't mean all that much if anyone you beat down can just respawn, but as far as I personally know it has not been confirmed if she does or not. And yeah, the thing is Charlie's actions here were very well meaning, yet good intentions are rarely enough on their own and in many cases can actually make a situation worse. Charlie managed to accomplish two things with her actions, and neither are good; 1) She's basically made Angel's life even more brutal because there is no doubt Val is going to take this out on Angel even more in the future; and 2) Charlie has shown herself to be weak _through_ Angel. She could have all the power in the world, but Val now knows for a fact that so long as he has Angel Dust under his thumb... Charlie won't be able to do anything. All in all, this is a good growing experience for Charlie learning that you can't just kindness your way through every problem, and that sometimes trying to directly confront a problem like this can, despite all the good intent, make a situation much worse
Its been confirmed that Charlie has the ability to not just tear Val apart, she can completely annihilate him. But as she put it "That would be mean". She's nerfed by her own kindness and proclivity towards pacifism. If Angel hadnt stepped in, Val would likely be permanently dead. But Angel didnt know that, and it wasnt a risk he'd be willing to take.
@@Kal-213 Even if he did. She'd still be able to keep Angel safe. Even if Val got a hold of an angelic gun, it wouldnt hurt Charlie. Not even Exorcists can kill her. Only a higher rank Angel can kill her., likely a Seraphim. AKA: Only people on Lucifer's level can kill her.
Well...sometimes for a bone to heal properly you have to re-break it. Sometimes you have to go through that process of things getting worse before they get better.
@@hiddentiger73 i mean knowledge makes way for cruelty. in fact im not religious so i never realised that's literally the point of the fruit, i just noticed that the smarter a living being is, the more cruel they can be. like look at humans. look at DOLPHINS (trust me, there are way darker things to dolphins than you realise)
@@roobie_not_ruby because of nux i cant keep fucking seeing instead of Husk, i would see the president from Rick and Morty fucking singing with Angel Dust
Yeah, a SA survivor told me that Charlie's issue was She didn't realize until too late that anything she does to Val Will be redirected to Angel And that unless they can break angels contract he always will have to come back to Val
The fact that my ex and my best friend struggled to watch this because it gave them flashbacks to what happened to them, yet they both said it was done so perfectly and they felt seen and loved it so much, just shows u how much we needed Hazbin hotel
SA shouldn't be sugarcoat,people are mad at Angel because of the way he is dealing with his trauma even though I saw actually SA victims saying they can relate with him...some victim blaming for this "white Knight" on Twitter who are saying they only think for the victims even though they only want to cancel stuff and sugar code it!
That's what happens when a lot of uneducated smartasses watch a show like this. Angel became hypersexual which is a quite common response to sexual abuse. He said it himself "it's not fake" and that he "didn't ask to be like this" He's not fake, it's just a defence mechanism of the brain, to create an illusion that you are in control
I love the 3 Vs as antagonist. Vox is so charismatic and entertaining. He has such a smooth voice and steals any scene he is in. Velvet is so brazen and confident that despite her being asshole she is enjoyable to watch and Valentino is so hatable yet intimidating and creepy. Which is his role in the story and he does it well. I like how each of the Vs got their own episode to shine they are a very well written trio of villains that I hope to see more from in the future.
I think the Vs are going to catalyze Carmilla to join the hotel. Alastor and Angel standing against Vox and Valentino makes a strong case, also if the theory that Vaggie is connected to Carmilla is true, the motives are even stronger. The Vs might be outgunned soon.
I think it makes a lot of sense that Valentino is the most emotionally unstable of the Vs since he's the Overlord of "passion" and sex which is very emotional.
"And maybe if I can ruin myself enough in the process, if I end up broken, I won't be his favorite toy anymore" is what started me into self-harm way back in the day. It didn't work. Honestly, I think he liked that he had that kind of power over me. It took a *lot* for me to be able to break away. But I did. It's been 17 years and I am *still* pretty fucked up from it, but I can breathe again. And stuff like this is how people like me feel *seen.* It makes people uncomfortable? Good! It should. Rape *is* uncomfortable. And one of the worst parts about it is that even the people who claim to support us dehumanize us for their own precious comfort. Victim blame and erase because if it isn’t *our* fault somehow, that makes it too real. Too scary. They don't want to acknowledge it because that makes it an actual danger. Well... It is! And those of us who go through it are real.
Nah, anything that involves helping victims start to move on instead of worshipping victimhood is now 'blaming' because these people are pathetic and fear growth because they don't have the strength and are cowards. And some of them are likely also victimizers using this ideology to keep people week and suffering to empower themselves.
I am with you on the SA thing, it is something that actually happens to people. If it is bad because it somehow exploits tragedy then guess what? So does depicting any form of tragedy including any form of violence. So unless you want to ban all violence you need to stop special pleading.
Honestly i agree. I was just saying something similar to my husband. This stuff happens and its never talked about even in adult shows. Im glad they didnt shy away from such a heavy topic
@@Celeste-jh2lj yeah I think Nux also just understands all of this as well, I mean from the beginning he is talking about how Angel is this guy who can’t show when he’s scared and does the whole… well you can watch the video. Yeah I am like that so are my friends, surely it’s not because we got rejected by people who should have loved us and turned to sex work… nah surely not. This is not the personality you develop by being under a constant threat of violence… no.
I absolutely see this as if one thing cant be said than everything else can't be said either. Like who are we as a society to dictate what's allowed and what's not. This ep is must to make you upset and feel a certain way and that's perfectly fine. They even had SA victims on the team while writing this ep. (That's what I've heard). I applaud them for not sugar coating it at all. As it shouldn't. This is reality, it happens. Why hide it cause it makes you feel uncomfortable well good it should. This is for ppl who say that Angel is doing a disservice to SA cause he chooses to flirt or overly sexualize himself. For one, it's his coping mechanism. And everyone is different so why dictate on how he should process.
@@boiri Yeah, you get it, oh that was upsetting... no shit. Yeah, it is upsetting, the person who experienced it is traumatized it is assault. Why would knowing that happens not upset you? As for the flirting... if you are in sex work who do you think you will be the victim of? Yeah, your clients! Who you have flirted with and likely slept with. What if that happens and they come back for your services? Well here is a sad fact a lot of us will just up the rate for you, we can't go to the cops, we can't sue. So how do we get the money out of you? Oh... yeah. If you return just charge double.
Hearing Angle's voice shift when Val is hurting him is so scary. 💔 This episode was so good, it's not only fantastic character writing it shows a lesson that when someone is suffering from an abusive relationship the best thing you can do is support them, not confronting the abuser directly because that can have terrible consequences for the person you're trying to help. People need to see that and people need to see the kind of abuse the victims suffer so they can actually understand and empathize with them.
The whole "controversy" about this episode featuring SA is just stupid. It's all well and good telling someone that it is bad, but they have no point of reference or knowledge on how bad it truly is, unless they hear a first hand account or experience it themselves. Exploring the subject matter through fiction is probably the best way as not only is no one actually hurt irl, it can also show people how truly horrible the situation is, and this is what this episode does extremely well. I feel sorry for Angel Dust that he's been forced into this situation, and make me absolutely hate Valentino where before he was just an extremely horny pimp
literally who there is not a peep from twitter so where are you finding this "controversy" like you know what that word means right....cuz its not a controversy in the slightest
@@diveblock2058 I'm using it loosely. Edited my comment to reflect that, but that's how Twitter is treating this episode. Also, I do know what controversial means as English is my first language. Anyway, please continue to read the rest of my comment at your earliest convenience as it's clear you read the first sentence only then decided to point out that it's not a full blown controversy
@@That_Random_British_Dude its quite the liberal use of it indeed...but i can understand english isnt my first language either and i did read your entire comment however only had a problem with the one part so i cut it off there do you want me to talk about anything in particular?
Angel’s situation is hard because he really can’t leave unless the contract for his soul is broken. Hence really all he can do is move and take a break for the day. It’s awful
At least now that he opened himself up, he has the bonds needed to endure whatever valentino throws at him, because even though that situation didn't get better at all, he at least knows there's something and someone to care and fight for the next day. Hopefully he'll find a way to get his soul back in season 2, now that he has done the first step towards confronting him for good and moving on with his life
One thing no reactor has noticed, Angel likes Charlie so much that he'd rather have Charlie hate him for telling her off than for Val or anyone else change Charlie's innocent or naïve outlook towards others. "Just don't hurt her", when in reality Val couldn't touch her even if he wanted to because of Charlie's Royal Status. That said, Val's comment on how he could make Charlie and himself richer than Lucifer himself speaks volumes on how disrespected the Royals are at least on the Pride Ring. This probably is related to how Lucifer lets the Overlords take control of the city doing whatever they want. As such, the Overlords would view Lucifer as somewhat of a coward ever since his fall. But even if my conjectures would be true or closer to how Vivziepop wrote the lore of the series, at the end of the day Val is just a Sinner and Lucifer is still an Angel and has power over him. We don't know the circumstances that lead to Charlie wanting to not use her Hell Born Powers against the Sinners, but the only way they could hurt Charlie is to break her spirit. Make her resent the sinners and abuse her powers, making her own the Princess of Hell title.
I think when Angel Dust said “don’t hurt her” he meant it literally. He was so scared that in that moment, he actually believed Val would… could hurt Charlie. In his eyes…Val is a monster and Charlie is a sweet innocent gal he needed to protect because gosh darn it, he won’t admit it but he DOES care for her. This isn’t even the first time, he puts himself in harm’s way to protect another. It was quick but in the pilot, he goes into defense mode by pushing Cherry Bomb out of the way of a gun shot, thus getting caught in the line of fire himself.
I’ve had an abusive relationship and the voicemails in the earlier episode really hit as that was exactly the BS she did, then this doubling down this episode totally followed her actions
I really like having an accurate depiction of SA and r***, because it just feels like the horror of real life is depicted well. I have so many people in my life who have experienced toxic relationships with r*** and who have experienced r***. I have dealt with sexual harrassment, and as a Vtuber, I'm sure you have faced the same thing, Nux I hope Nux doesn't get cancelled for this... I know he gets cancelled for everything though... so... welp! That's not happening.
do...do you know what cancelled means....cuz nux has literally never been cancelled....like that term is thrown around alot but it means "mass withdrawal of support from public figures"....that hasn't happened to him ever because you can only get cancelled by your own community people coitizing how you conduct yourself or politics isn't cancelling....this is literally what happened with sneko and charlie. if you want a example on what cancelled actually looks like look at edp445 tldr nux hasnt been cancelled
"these are not just filler songs like disney,these are important character building moments" if nux does get into steven universe,i think he will love that about that show too. the conversations and emotions from the songs in steven universe are great
(Listens to Husk) “I can’t stop seeing the Rick and Morty President every time he speaks.” Me: I can’t stop hearing a drunk version of Goliath from Gargoyles. 😅
Nobody, absolutely nobody. Nux describing how Angel self destructs, and uses drugs and alcohol to escape reality but ultimately just dreams about the escape instead of getting it. Me opening my eyes and coming to realization that’s basically me rn and feel attacked: 👁️👄👁️ … Nux lowkey just helped me realize something about myself because of his reaction to one of my favourite characters in the show ain’t that something.
Ok so context, angel sold his soul to val, so he literally can't leave because his soul is contracted to him. So unless charlie can make val release his soul (which idek if its possible for overlords to leave souls willingly, but i guess since husk gambled away the ones he owned presumably) angel is literally stuck with val and can't leave
@pagedmaj but the only people that Angel knows who are strong enough to kill Val either would never kill anyone (charlie) or don't care enough unless it benefitted them (Alastor)
It bothers me that some people are saying this episode glorifies abuse. Like no, no it doesn't. It is a very good representation of how it feels and what it looks like to be in an abusive relationship. I would know because I was in one from the age of 14 to 21. And a rough one from 21 to 25. Went through a lot of mental and physical abuse, got cut open with a knife really badly, lost a lot of blood. Got told for years i was not attractive by my bf. Have been beaten and stabbed multiple times. I have quite a few physical scars over my body and even more mental ones. I turned to alcohol and drugs to just numb myself to everything that was happening. And for a while i thought i was the terrible person and it was my fault people were treating me like that. But on with the original point I was getting at: i love seeing uncomfortable truths being depicted accurately in media, especially things that i have personally experienced. Because it helps to relate to the character more and gets you more invested. In my case, angel dust is the character i relate most to, its not perfectly spot on but close. And yeah, i get legitimately uncomfortable watching the scene and everything between him and valentino. Its uncomfortable because it is accurate, and i think its good to accurately portray dark topics like abuse in media. Because people can see it and be like yeah this is what happens, there are people who have lived through and survived stuff like this. So yeah, i feel like i have a pretty good position to be able to talk about this, seeing as i have experienced it myself for years. Yes it is an uncomfortable topic to address. Is it gloriying abuse or being offensive? Not at all. And to all of you who have also been through things like I have: stay strong, the scars will never go away, they do get easier to deal with over time. Especilly if you go to see a therapist. Be safe yall ❤
Forget Nifty, we need Asmodeus to smoosh that moth! Angel is my favorite character, my only issue with him is his hair makes me think of a demonic Jack Doherty >.
I've been dealing with this kind of abuse from a long time... Like being violented for the littlest stuff, basically terrorized into submission like "how dare you fight back i own you you're gonna do what i say or I'm gonna fuck you up" And it sucks because....i takes an insane amount of strength just to fight back, even a little, before the sh!t swallows you again and then... The cycle repeats and you start to slowly break and loose hope..... You feel like you have no freddom, you have no will on your own, basically you feel like someone else's toy. I know there's some exageration into this but that dressing room scene really triggered some deep ptsd alarms on me, that scene was written from experience. I relate to this man, it's ringing soooo many bells right now iiiiiii don't know how to react
The fact that angel is living in 2 different lives is so relatable. You fell shitty on your own but when you're around other people you force yourself into a different person I know what it's like.
Probably one of the coolest parts of this episode animation wise is how smooth the transition from normal Charlie to demon mode Charlie is. I like the touch that Charlie has red streaks in her hair that turn into her horns when she's angry.
Nux, Valentino isn't butterfly but a moth. There's a theory going around that he's moth because Angel is a spider and spiders EAT moth so it's ironic and ... Maybe it's foreshadowing that it will be Angel Dust who ends Valentino's reign
As a survivor I love this episode so much. I feel seen by Angel, the way he deals with it and everything hits so close to home. And then the abuse and how it's shown is so painfully raw, I think they nailed it. I feel like it raises awareness in a good way. I also feel like Husk was perfect, I had moments where just hearing someone else went through it all aswell made me feel a little better (terrible for them ofcourse but atleast not alone). Also Poison is a bop.
“Loser, Baby” is up to now one of my favorite songs out of this show, but I like how Val is moth to Angel is a spider - Husk is voiced by Kieth David who also voices Andrias (Amphibia), Goliath, Thailog, & others (Gargoyles), Dr. Facilier (The Princess & the Frog), Spawn (Spawn), Tenma (Pluto), Flame King & Balthus (Adventure Time), Apollo (Hercules), Okkoto (Princess Mononoke), Atlas (Teen Titans), President & reverse giraffe (Rick & Morty), Manny (Ducktales), Tombstone (The Spectacular Spider-Man), Mongul (Young Justice), Sal Commander (TMNT), Cheshire Cat (Once Upon a Time in Wonderland), Bolo ( Final Space), & many more - Angel Dust & the Egg Boiz are voiced by Blake Roman who also voices one of the mariachi imps (Helluva Boss) - Valentino is voiced by Joel Perez who also voices Dr. Somna (Helluva Boss)
When you say Hercules, do you mean the disney one, or something else. I'm asking cause I generally don't remember any of the other gods getting lines other than the primary cast.
The fact that Nux felt the need to remind his editor he's appreciated. Says great things about Nux. Nux is a great person, AND entertaining. Love him for it.
That line where angel said "maybe if i ruin myself ill no longer be his favorite toy to play with" literally brought a tear to my eye when i first watched it. That delivery was so fuckin powerful
To all the people who hated on the clip of Poison really shouldn't have. The full scene is supposed to make you uncomfortable, but it conveys what it's supposed to.
Difficult themes should not be shied away from in media, but they should not be made light of either. Hazbin hotel struck a good balance for Angel's situation and more media should dare to venture "into the dark." These situations are horrible, but the only way us people can understand if we see what it does to people and empathize with these people. This episode will forever stand as a benchmark of how you deal with this topic honestly and respectfully and Vivziepop and the entire Hazbin Team deserves the BIGGEST W for putting it together like they did!
The thing about the tough love technique of helping someone is it depends on on the person and the time. Someone tried it with me while I was having a panic attack triggered by depression, because apparently it had helped with his friend, and I literally almost jumped out of the car while we were on the interstate. So maybe that wasn’t the best situation to tell someone to “get your shit together,” as that was what I was currently struggling to do. But sometimes people need to start with Husk’s acknowledgement of hitting rock bottom, then follow up with Charlie’s encouragement when they actually work towards improving.
I look at Angel Dust and i see my sisters current abusive relationship and it boils my blood to no end. She has actually talked to me like this when i was standing up to the prick that hits her.
Are completely agree with your initial take nux because it shows the correct awareness and how that situation can really mess a person up and cause them to shut down and build so many solid strong walls to defend themselves
I'm not sure if you caught it, but Charlie is seen angry for a few frames. It isn't long, but it is enough to let you know she isn't just some princess. I'm wondering when we see the balloon of her rage pop. When it happens, I'm hoping Valentino is first.
This is one of the darkest pieces of television I have watched on a hot minute, but it is also incredibly smart, takes the subject as serious as it deserves to be taken and understands this is adult stuff, in a show made for adults, that knows it is talking to adults
Valentino reminds me of my dad, not for the SA thing but that smile he gave to Charlie. My dad had total control of me and my mom by abuse and constant lies. When he couldn't get to her anymore, he started picking on me so that it would get to my mom. My mom's solution was telling me not to react because he was just trying to get to her. My mom used to tell me that I was just like him too; all the time when I was a kid when we would argue or I would throw a tantrum. I never really knew what comfort or being relaxed was as a kid. I still kinda don't
Nuxanor, thank you so much for saying it at the start of the video about the depictions! I'm sick of people being cancelled for wanting this stuff to be seen as a serious issue and not just a subject to joke about, because that's what people will do! Society is effed, more people need to see that!
Also, when you turn one trait into your entire existence you start believing everyone is just as empty inside, just as shallow, just as NOTHING as you. Then when people show you're wrong, even if trying to help you it destroys that one hope you have and you either shatter completely or become badass.
19:25 - To be clear, Valentino is a **moth,** which is hinted at early on by the shape of his antennae (butterflies have thin antennae with a little teardrop shape at the very end whereas moths have ones that look like feathers). It's largely a play on the saying "like a moth to a flame", with Valentino himself actually being the flame and all his workers being the metaphorical moths who get burned flying too close.
"You can not grape me if i consent" Angel Dust really does just cope with feeling used. Choosing your ultimatum is not good. You can't give consent if the other person doesn't back off when you said no in the first place. That is the definition of an ultimatum.
I'm also concerned about the Lack of Alastor in this episode. Not getting to know what he's up to after him being in every episode and being shown that he owns husk makes for great foreshadowing. Also, did anyone else notice how Husk wasn't going to do anything until Angel's drink got spiked?
those who are ragging on this show, and episode in particular, have missed the most important message it's trying to tell. rather than push passed the uncomfortable nature to actually see that message, they use their uncomfortableness and claim it's glorifying such acts and victim blaming when things like this happen. In fact it's quite the opposite, of course. It's like that saying, "Pain shared is pain halved" Suffering with someone else is better than suffering alone and opens up a door to a light that didn't seem possible before. I reallly hope Charlie can find a way to get Angel out of his contract. Or get help from Husk (since he used to be an Overlord) and/or Alistor to find a loop hole. Or shit, get Nifty to squash some bugs...
Husk's voice actor isn't just the President in Rick and Morty. He's Spawn, Goliath, The Shadowman, The Arbiter, and more. He's a very underrated actor.
As some with CPTSD, anxiety, and major depression from years of being raped by so many different people, I definitely related so much to this episode and appreciated this episode or being afraid to explore the darkness and depravity of humanity and show the self-destruction of trauma survivors. Similar to how SVU helps me.
In the beginning when Nux agreed Angel is fake, he really talked too soon. Angel represents those of us who know what that abuse is like. We may come across as fake, but we’re actually being as real as we can be.
Angel is fake. Husk and Angel’s song essentially proves it from Angel’s own mouth that he was fake af. Now compare that to the end of the episode when he tells Husk how “shit Valentino’s eyes are”. At the end, Angel is being real for like the first time ever in the show.
I agree that subject matter like this should be portrayed in fiction and cartoons even if it's subtle. Where the problem lies is people don't understand that the abuse and assault scenes in this episode are not supposed to be gratifying or make you go "aww how cute" like they seem to think. Their portrayal in this episode is clearly supposed to and DOES make the viewer uncomfortable, as that's its job. You can have SA and abuse be shown in this kind of media as long as the topic is handled with care and accuracy, which the team behind Hazbin has done extremely well. :)
I also heard somewhere that Valentino is actually based on Viv's abusive ex, which is why the show does such a good job at portraying it in such a ruthless way. The info may be wrong since it's just heresy but if it is true, that would make a lot of sense
28:09 Dude as a former grooming victim, you hit the nail STRAIGHT on it’s damn head. I literally could not have worded it better myself. And a lot of people don’t realize that it’s rarely ever a conscious decision to start enjoying the abuse. It’s often times our brain’s way of trying to protect us from the pain: getting use to the feeling and it becoming so familiar that you adjust, romanticize, or just straight up go numb. But Twitter can’t handle it when actual survivors have Stockholm Syndrome 🙃
let me just say as someone who has lived what angel lives this episode just made me love this show so much more, it took it to a real place, validated mine and others personal experences as real and may help others to understand this darkness many live with but are too... hurt to talk about it themselves... it was so well writen and i apreciate what this has already done for me.... and what it will do for so many others
When i first watched this episode i dissociated hard once i heard the sheer panic in Angels voice and didnt come back until the episode was over. Took me watching it 2 more times to get through. It is a well-done honest and true show of abusive relationships. And the whole thing of "just leave" makes me sick cause what if that's your family or someone who people expect you to stay with. I love this episode and Poison is just such a bop and Loser following it is wonderful.
There's a cute acronym that I learned in therapy as a kid called NCAT Name the problem Claim the responsibilities of the problem be it others or especially your own Aim it. As in set up goals/solutions to fix/heal from the problem Then finally Tame it by actually doing the solutions. Obviously in each step of that kind of process it's going to be difficult. And it's going to take a while to fully get around to each step varying from difficulty of the situation. So if anything I feel like Husk is helping Angel to cope with claiming his mistakes because he already knows his is responsible. Husk is literally pulling Angel back up on his feet so he doesn't fall back into the pitfall of helpless despair. I feel like this is a good step in the direction for redemption. By this I mean For Angel to redeem his self worth to himself. But obviously it's going to be a struggle.He and anyone else relating to his situation need outside help along side the victim realizing that they deserve/need that help.
One of the hardest premises that they showed in the show was how Angel was always looking for death when he got off his high and dropped into a low. You can especially see it when he came back from work and was yelling back at Husk, he was literally about to go feral (as you see all 8 of his eyes pop out) and Husk was literally summoned by Alastor so Angel knows he's not some push over and he could probably definitely handle him, maybe even end him but he hit his head and just left it all. Like these moments are so moving that they really deserve to be seen because not everyone has the luxury of living their lives worry free with out such manipulations
It’s so important some people get pulled out of their “sex work is work ✨” bubble on Twitter by this. It’s important to show the horrible reality of what this “job” is
It's pretty sad that society today won't even let "bad thing shown is bad" happen without someone throwing a hissy fit. MAN people are soft. How humans survived this long being so sensitive is beyond me. Thank you for watching this Nux!
To be fair, humans were Disturbingly ruthless in the past. While it's good we toned way down, society definitely a little too soft through cushier lives
16:12 This has been a thought that crossed my mind before, but I'd be willing to bet if Charlie asked Valentino to break Angels contract, Valentino would in exchange ask her to let her self get filmed doing one of his movies. That seems like a very far exchange given Charlie's fame and status that one movie would make up for the loss of Angeldust. Also from a story perspective it's a Crist like move to take on the pain of other to free them from their pain.
I really do hope that vivzie is watching these because I think you're putting it into words just what kind of art she has created for this world she has enriched our lives with such wonderful storytelling and I hope she knows this.
I bawled when I watched this episode. I could see myself in Angel's shoes, faking being alright and desperately trying to find a vice to help me forget the pain. It took 7 years for me to finally get brave enough to leave, and it nearly destroyed me. I threw away my college degree despite being so close to my bachelors, threw away my freedom, gave up on the few things that made me truly happy, and went right back into that kind of relationship because it was all I could comprehend my life being. By the time I divorced the second guy, I was just so numb and tired of everything that I simply disassociated. It's amazing how we can function like that for extended periods of time. It's taken years of patience, therapy, medication, and a stable environment to get out of that frame of mind. It's a daily battle with my mind, and I still get nightmares despite being 15+ years free. Kinda sad it's taken me being near 40 to finally admit that I am okay with who I am. For the ones still deep in the trenches, we're here when you need help with the weight of everything. Can't fix it for you, but I'll share every little tidbit that's helped me if it means it could help you too. Yeah I'm a loser, baby, a no-good washed up loser, and that's okay with me.
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While the Poison song will make you cry, the Loser song will definitely make you smile again.
Loser Baby made one of my friends cry happy tears cuz their dynamic reminded him of his current healthy relationship.
Definitely made me smile again🥹
Me who just bopped to poison: 👁️👄👁️
Loser is such a good song I love it so much
it was the other way around for me because loser baby was just SO bittersweet and realistic
Can everyone here collectively agree that Valentino is the biggest piece of dog shit that has ever been animated, but his design is absolutely amazing?
And his voice is also great
Yes, I hate him but can’t hate his voice and design
He apparently also squeaks when he gets riled up. In episode 2 he squeaks on “whole f@&king family!”
I agree and his voice is awesome
@@littleprincealphaI hate his voice because I hate him
the voice change of Angel Dust when switching personas is a big W from the VA! You can actually hear his high pitch tone while joking about sex switching to a deeper voice when he's hurt or sad. Amazing voice acting!
What r u doing here🤨
@@Theartistdee watching a dude react obv
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Yeah, honestly it shook me when I watched it for the first time (literally last night) and heard how deep Angel's voice got when he said "yes Valentino" the second time
Yeah this episode and Poison
Sold me on Blake Roman taking over from Michael Kovach (Angels pilot episode VA)
Husks VA went from having friends on the other side to being the friend on the other side
Can I tell you that i love this comment? :)
Who do you thinky head cannon is for husk besides they both are good with cards
@@justinzarzycki8246 "Who do you thinky head cannon is for husk besides they both are good with cards" -justinzarzycki8246 -𝑸𝒖𝒐𝒕𝒆 𝒐𝒇 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒀𝒆𝒂𝒓 2024
Brilliant
he also went from controlling souls, to guiding them
As someone who was a victim of SA, stayed with toxic abusers, and chose poor coping mechanisms and facades I adore Angel. I feel seen and represented.
The people who've never experienced something like this need to shut their mouths and stop yapping and let people like me decide if we like this kind of representation or not, and it will be subjective to every single one of us as we all have different stories. This is frankly none of the business of the average Twitter Joe society.
I feel so sorry that that happened to you, but I am also glad that you're finding something good enough in the media that can represent even a little bit of yourself and what you've gone through.
Seeing hypersexualization as a coping mechanism was SO real. I looked at my girlfriend after that and went "yeah remember how weird I was back then??"
@@characterblub2.0Oh, for SURE. Haha, good times (not really). I started very young. I remember when my best friends collectively decided in third grade whispering to each other that they weren't going to associate with me anymore. They were both good people, and I don't blame them. I made them SUPER uncomfortable.
Then of course in the online space I was allowed to be hyper nasty, and I became known for that for YEARS. It took me a long time to realize I didn't actually LIKE being that person when I kept angrily telling everyone I wasn't just a piece of meat and to be kinder to me.
@@chicapizza29 Yeah, it definitely hurts, but at the same time, as I said, I adore the representation. TW// A 15 year old girl started pimping me out when I was 8 who was every bit as aggressive, nasty, and manipulative as Val. Shes a p*do too because she continued this behavior when she was 21 and I was 13. I still won't say her name online because I'm scared she'll come back for me. I'm 20 now. I'm scared to pursue an online career because of her too. I have like- this dumb irrational fear that people will side with her because I was a mean nasty kid who said mean nasty things to people to cope, and like I said, I was hyper sexual, and nobody likes 'that bitch'. It's morbid how often I hope she's drank her way into the grave by now. I'm scared to check. I hope she's gone so often, along with her minions who tormented me. It's important to spread awareness of these things. Angel is just the tip of the iceburg.
Child on child and female on female SA and harassment is a huge issue no one addresses sadly.
But I'm so happy they're at least bringing male on male SA and abuse to light with Angel, because that's just as overlooked and needs to be addressed too.
This!!! I LOVE Angel because so many of us have been Angel at some point in our lives or we currently are. It's nice to feel seen even we're at our lowest
If the violence isn't being fetishized or disrespectfully shown then there's no reason to attack it. The shit exists and it needs to be shown. Treating abuse like a taboo that media shouldn't highlight is doing current and future victims no favors.
I imagine it is viscerally uncomfortable for victims. It's uncomfortable even for non-victims. But avoiding topics because it makes people uncomfortable lets things like this fester and benefit from collective ignorance.
Perhaps Victims will point out their abusers and find help to move on. I was married to a narc once: They are horrible!
The fact that people will get uncomfortable by these scenes is the whole point. To showcase the evils of abuse. And for the victims acting like its a taboo to talk about, they are literally Angel Dust in this situation. Unable to confront their demons and accept that they happened or happen in general
I completely agree with your point as a victim myself.
With things constantly being silenced and not being able to be shown. It feels like a don't know how to express what could happen or what happened to me in a healthier safe light.
Things like this showing that it happens and I'm not alone.
It's wonderful.
Like the loser song itself
Just basically tells me that I'm not alone that life is a shit Sandwich. But at least you're not in the shit Sandwich sinkin by yourself.
@@chumley04I think the reason why a lot of people are in comfortable is. Maybe some people who have it went through these scenes and things like that feel like they're helping by pointing it out but really it's causing more harm. Than good.
@@cyberlily883 I gotta get an opinion from someone more in place to talk about it, Is Angel and his situation well written? Well handled? People keep dogpiling on the song, the scene, everything about it, while i think its fine- its clear that I am inable to see it from the perspective of a victim
When people say "There are worse things than death," the evil of humanity shows us.
Gotta love the irony of the Butterfly owning the Spider.
Actually, I think Valentino's a moth.
@@Deirel0
So a night butterfly
@@CatCheshire no no you see as to quote a animation from @LumpyTouch Moths are butterflies with no moral compass
Yeah but that irony might be foreshadowing. Spiders eat moths, so that could mean Angel may end up killing Valentino.
Moth actually, and considering moths are nocturnal creatures who attract mates through pheromones and Valentino uses that red smoke to keep Angel addicted, it is VERY fitting
The loser song isn't victim blaming, Husk helped Angel by saying that he wasn't alone in such a bad situation and that if he shares his pain with others it will be better. There wasn't a single moment where Husk blamed Angel for what is happening to him.
Hell... it's literally Husk going "Look I'm in the same situation... don't pretend it's a good thing. But we can be in it together and help each other."
@@HimitsuHunter Literally this!
I think the song is a good exemple of the difference between niceness an kindness. Charlie tries to reach out to angel multiple times, but her overly nice attitude often have the opposite of the intended effect as angel feels too intimidated and mistrusting to confide into her, especially since he cant tell if her kindness toward him is genuine. Husk on the other hand manages to connect and relate to Angel much more effectively despite being much meaner on the surface.
Wonder how many of the people accusing it of victim blaming actually watched the show. Or have a basic knowledge of which character is which.
@@blackbloom8552 they definitely didn't. These people don't have the time to watch the show because they are sooo busy complaining about everything on Twitter. Context is for the people with functioning brains.
Something I find interesting about Charlie is she’s elitism in reverse, she doesn’t feel superior that she was born better than everyone she feels bad she was born better than everyone. She sees her own issues as minuscule because she she was born into power, and she hates abusing it because she didn’t earn it, she wants to help people because she feels undeserving to be given so many opportunities to everyone else could only dream of and over blows the issues of others to the point she forces herself into the situation regardless of other’s feelings.
It’s worse when you consider she’s the princess of Hell. In a world where people have it much worse than you. There’s a larger gap of class, and suffering in Hell, then there is on Earth. Lower class may have it hard, but in Hell, it’s much worse. That feeling of guilt for being born into power, on Earth, is magnified in Hell. Because people, like the lowest class, Imps, are suffering much worse in Hell than on Earth.
That’s a really good way to view her rather than just “Daddy issues” since she and Lucifer seem to be on good terms. Your interpretation is really good, let’s hope that it doesn’t devolve (or stagnate) as the show goes on rather than evolving to show her growing alongside everyone else.
@@RinitaChan The relationship with her dad seems healthy. But her mom must have a good reason why she hasn’t spoke to her in seven years. That’s certainly something big to unpack later. Though, I can’t help but think there could be some benefactors in Heaven as well as Hell, that would want to perpetuate the status qoe. It could all be a conspiracy involving not just Heaven, but the higher ups in Hell as well.
@@garrettviewegh9028Lilith hasn’t spoken to Charlie in seven years. Alastor has been missing for seven years. Something to think about.
@@Cosmosdestructor and she calls Lillith for advice in the pilot, and the moment she asks for advice, alastor knocks on the hotel door.
This episode hit way too close to home, not only Angel’s situation but Charlie trying to find the middle ground between “too nice” and “mean.” I can relate to both of them.
I don’t know why Twitter has to be mad at everything. This episode is an incredible showcase of an abusive relationship and feeling like you can’t escape from it.
At this point we should just ignore twitter users, they always get angry over the smallest of things
It’d be a neat twist if Charlie became the first Nephilm, which are part Demon, and part Angel. She has the characteristics of one.
@@garrettviewegh9028that’s not what nephilm are they’re part angel part human
They're mad about everything that reflects their inner darkness.
@@thunderflare59..Or that they can't fit into some sanitized overly politically correct box.
I love Angel’s pause when he says “thanks for caring about me” like…he WANTS to say “thanks for trying” but knows that her trying to help made things worse, so the next best thing he can think to say is “thanks for caring about me”
i read that pause as more him realizing that there are people who do actually care about him. enough to try and stand up to val in charlie's case and enough to understand him in husk's case
@@whitemoonwolf13 could be both
People always throw a fit when SA is shown as a traumatic experience but everyone is quiet when it's being romanticized. I'm a survivor and I love Angel's character because being hypersexual is an actual coping mechanism and I like that they don't romanticize it, they show the painful reality of it. for me personally, hazbin hotel is the first show I've seen where the survivor is treated like a person, not just sympathy points for the plot or "look SA edgy haha". never thought I'd see an adult cartoon take traumatic topics seriously but Viv did that and I love her for it.
Edit: the scene at the bar/song with Angel and Husk was so fucking comforting and healing to see.
I relate to angel on such a painful level.
I actually really appreciate when, in fan content where they make porn that, in a sense, romanticizes things like this, they give some sort of note about it being disgusting, horrible, and just downright abusive in real situations and that if any viewers are going through something similar, should try to get out of it however they can. It's when people avoid that, get defensive, or just don't acknowledge it in some way when I get triggered. As someone who, I guess, became hypersexual instead of sex adverse, I always immensely appreciate seeing those notes or side comments on explicit fan work that, ya know, acknowledges the reality of it.
People have their kinks and fetishes that I don't mind them indulging in, especially in the fictional sense, but it's very important to acknowledge (repeating a lot of words, I apologize) those realities, especially if it's not fan content and it's official stuff, and I think there are a lot of shows and movies with that problem where they romanticize really fucking toxic relationships and even abusive relationships. It's disgusting, sickening, and harmful. I will forever love Hazbin Hotel for how they handle these topics. It's so real in a painful, yet comforting way, if that makes sense?
Anyways, I just wanted to add on a little to what you said. Completely agree!
@@Fandom_Gremlin Yes!!! seriously! I don't remember where I saw it but someone commented something like "I'll never forgive adult swim for canceling a show for talking about SA as a serious topic. It's fine if SA is used as a joke, but not fine if it's taken seriously." We need more shows like hazbin hotel where it's portrayed as WHAT IT IS and not a joke or a fantasy. It's the worst trauma someone could go through, it's not "funny" or "hot".
I have noticed that when SA is shown as a traumatic experience in video media people get mad
And the Hypersexual nature of angle as a way to cope is a perfect choice, From my experience in the creepypasta fandom, when it comes to victims of SA sometimes they link asexuality as a direct after-effect of the trauma, (which very well can happen) but it angers me when they change a character too much to center on this trauma like always trying to shift the story to cover the Incident in Roleplay scenarios or trying to Gatekeep a character that was pre-written a way that contradicts their headcanon
When properly written PTSD can be a great Driving Factor for character building and even healing.
(Edit: Apologies for poor punctuation and grammar mistakes, i was heated when i typed this, i'll fix it when i can)
@@Blinkentheproto I completely agree. I was asexual before my trauma, and I still became hypersexual to cope with it. A coping mechanism doesn't make me any less asexual than I was before. It makes me upset when people say that asexuality only stems from trauma. It's such a broad and complicated subject. One of my favorite shows that actually has good representation of SA survivors is Moral Orel but it is really hard to watch because they don't shy away from showing the harsh reality of SA and how it impacts people. it's a heartbreaking but very real and important topic.
Something I just realized is that Valentino and Angel's relationship is the inverse of a spider and a moth's relationship where Valentino is the predator that has Angel trapped in his web
Maybe it's foreshadowing how their relationship will end? That would be awesome!
@@mawrmawr83I hope so
@@mawrmawr83 that would be an incredibly satisfying ending
@@mawrmawr83It might cool if Angel Dust killed Valentino and took his place a Overlord especially since we know that Overlords are not necessarily heartless.
And instead of Val's "poison" killing Angel instantly, it's killing him slowly
1. The fact that Alastor , a literal cannibalistic serial killer, is more respectable than Valentino really says a lot about how much of a total P.O.S the latter is. He's just an abusive arsehole who flips his personality on a dime to make people who are defenseless fear him.
Vox and Velvette even seem completely done with him since they constantly have to keep an eye on him so he doesn't do something that makes them ALL look bad.
2. Angel Dust's facade breaking entirely in front of Husk shows that he actually does respect him enough for his rejection/dismissal to actually hurt him a little.
3. Husk being a former overlord who literally gambled away his power, respect and the comfort that came with them is a really cool origin.
Him and Angel actually finding common ground, breaking the ice between them and having someone to vent to about Valentino, was *GREAT*
Sinners’ forms in Hell are representative of their lives and/or deaths.
Alastor was a serial killer and cannibal and was mistaken for a deer by hunters. Ergo, wendigo.
Val was a pimp, adult film executive, or both. Moths use pheromones to attract mates, which explains his smoking motif.
Right? I would must rather sell my soul to Alastor and just be a bartender or maid than whatever the hell Valentino would have planned for me. Despite Alastor probably being way more powerful than Valentino, he somehow treats his victims still more humane.
This is basically the concept "Refuge in Audacity". Alastor's sins are very over the top; sure, serial killers do exist in real life too of course, but they're very rare and the extent of Alastor's sins is basically so over-the-top that you can't take it seriously. It's the kind of evil that's so extreme that it feels unreal
Valentino's evil however is very _very_ real and much more common, and that makes him seem far more evil despite, objectively speaking, Alastor is actually the worst person of the two.
@@soulangela7154 I just realised alastors ‘minions’ come in the form of the service industry. He’s got a maid (nifty), a bartender, repairmen. Nifty aside, i can totally see him taking Angel into his retinue as part of the Vees beef with him.
When they are bound with ropes , Angel's rope is chaotic and Husk's is neatly wrapped. Maybe pointing to the nature of their respective "owners".
Valentino being an emotional in-the-moment type & Alastor being neat/calculating.
I was actually wondering about this! The difference stood out to me as well. I think your idea is very good! Personally, I thought it represented the amount of "hold" their overlords have over them. Maybe husk is on a tighter leash than Angel. But I think I like your idea better! 😁
The rope on Angel look loose enough, I wonder if it is a foreshadowing Angel will escape from Val's "rope" in the future?
All My Fellow Demons Hate That Moth Fucker
True. It could also be representing the fact that the contract that Val has on Angel is tying him up but can be escaped from with a bit of work/power to assist (Probably poorly written and/or has numerous loopholes that can be exploited), while Alastor's contract with Husk is... well. "Alastor being neat/calculating" as you say could also be used to describe the contract with the feline sinner. Iron clad, well written without a loophole to exploit in Husk's favor, and inescapable unless Alastor is double dead or he lets Husk go (Or maybe Charlie or her father sever the contract? Idk. It's just a theory that it could be one of they're abilities.) either way it's gonna be a pain to get out of.
@@durratulaishah3703 I think that will be the key thing for his redemption in (possibly) season 2
With all his progress in the hotel, he gets ready to confront valentino for the last time, and will find a loophole that will finally let his soul free from his abusive hands, finally ready to ascend into heaven
Honestly, at this point, Twitter is The Boy Who Cried Hazbin Hotel Drama. Every single time there's a new controversy going around it turns out to be a big ol' nothing burger that gets stupider the longer you think about it. It's just not possible for me to take any of it seriously anymore.
It’s Twitter, let’s be honest what do you expect from people there.
Twitter users do not count as people.
dude have you been on twitter recently....like i get nux hasnt updated his jokes since like 2017 but ever since elon bought it out its been a right wing hell hole....there is no one trying to "cancel" hazbin hotel 5 people making a attention grab is not a cancelation movement. the reception to hazbin hotel is positive on twitter....like i literally am checking through it and you have to actually seek out a negative response and it had 22 likes....is this what you think drama is?
@@diveblock2058 You may want to look at the replies to Amazon Prime's Hazbin Hotel's trailer...it's a few more freaks than 5. And they all have blue checkmarks. We make the Twitter jokes, because they are still painfully relevant.
Dude, I'm not talking about it's critical reception. Hazbin has had controversy after controversy literally from the moment it was annouced. Hell, I remember they were dealing with drama back when they were still doing cleanup animation streams for the pilot, like 5 years ago. I think you might be forgetting just how long this series has been in development for.
The little moth noises Val makes if you pay attention are at moments where hes the most… unhappy. They are perfect. But outshined by the moments where Angels voice slips back to his “true” voice. Not the voice everyone hears. When hes at his weakest :(
Apparently a Fan tweeted to Viv that Moths make Squeaking Sounds when stressed. Viv loved that fact that they put it into the series.
@@jled787 duuuude, that's awesome
... Moth's make noise? Learn something new everyday.
@@DiceFTW273 Yep! It's obviously not gonna be loud, but some do nonetheless :)
Omg Valentino really does make little moth chirps
They really paid Keith David to call somebody a power bottom
And I love it
at rock bottom
@@TheJadeFistbut they’ve got company
Is that someone make them feel better
And to say that there was a time that he thought no one could relate to him
@@NyehNyeh12 and the gruesome ways in which he's damaged
I love the touch of angel slipping into a deeper voice when he's being genuine.
Note how every step of the way once she entered the studio Valentino was Pushing her buttons to see how far he could go and what levers he could use to control... what is basically someone who Outranks him in every way, but isn't willing to use that power to SLAP him down and just take what she wants. He realizes that Angel is the best leash he has to control her actions and uses him that way.
Charlie COULD tear him apart, COULD tear him down... but that goes against everything of who she is, and Angel Dust getting caught in the crossfire just outright douses any desire to approach from that direction.
Valentino is a slimy asshole who is GOOD at finding ways to manipulate people... it's the common trait of the Vs which their empire is built around.
Honestly this is the best example of being good is bad, Charlie could solve Angel's issues in a heartbeat by just straight up killing Valentio, then and there but because she believes that being violent is not the answer, Angel will never be free.
@@pagedmaj True, but he would respawn right? Cause they can only be permanently killed by an angel's blade or something.
@@Kal-213 It's uncertain thus far if Charlie may have some unique ability to perma-kill demons due to her angelic heritage or not. I would assume so, otherwise all the power in the world wouldn't mean all that much if anyone you beat down can just respawn, but as far as I personally know it has not been confirmed if she does or not.
And yeah, the thing is Charlie's actions here were very well meaning, yet good intentions are rarely enough on their own and in many cases can actually make a situation worse. Charlie managed to accomplish two things with her actions, and neither are good; 1) She's basically made Angel's life even more brutal because there is no doubt Val is going to take this out on Angel even more in the future; and 2) Charlie has shown herself to be weak _through_ Angel. She could have all the power in the world, but Val now knows for a fact that so long as he has Angel Dust under his thumb... Charlie won't be able to do anything.
All in all, this is a good growing experience for Charlie learning that you can't just kindness your way through every problem, and that sometimes trying to directly confront a problem like this can, despite all the good intent, make a situation much worse
Its been confirmed that Charlie has the ability to not just tear Val apart, she can completely annihilate him. But as she put it "That would be mean". She's nerfed by her own kindness and proclivity towards pacifism. If Angel hadnt stepped in, Val would likely be permanently dead. But Angel didnt know that, and it wasnt a risk he'd be willing to take.
@@Kal-213 Even if he did. She'd still be able to keep Angel safe. Even if Val got a hold of an angelic gun, it wouldnt hurt Charlie. Not even Exorcists can kill her. Only a higher rank Angel can kill her., likely a Seraphim. AKA: Only people on Lucifer's level can kill her.
It's funny how Charlie tries to fix everything,and yet she sorta fixes it but also makes it even more broken than it already was at the same time
Low-key sounds exactly like Lucifer's backstory in HH, he tried to give humanity free will but ended up introducing sin and evil to them as well.
Well...sometimes for a bone to heal properly you have to re-break it. Sometimes you have to go through that process of things getting worse before they get better.
@@hiddentiger73Like father like daughter
@@hiddentiger73 i mean knowledge makes way for cruelty. in fact im not religious so i never realised that's literally the point of the fruit, i just noticed that the smarter a living being is, the more cruel they can be. like look at humans. look at DOLPHINS (trust me, there are way darker things to dolphins than you realise)
She wants to do right, but doesn't understand how complicated the issue is and it backfires
She had good intentions.
I loved this episode because it showed an issue I don't think gets enough spotlight. Sometimes trying to help the victim can make things worse.
Also husk is probally one of my favorite characters ever and seeing him get a more promoninte role was amazing.
@@roobie_not_ruby because of nux i cant keep fucking seeing instead of Husk, i would see the president from Rick and Morty fucking singing with Angel Dust
I just see the main villain from princess and the frog
Yeah, a SA survivor told me that Charlie's issue was
She didn't realize until too late that anything she does to Val Will be redirected to Angel
And that unless they can break angels contract he always will have to come back to Val
The fact that my ex and my best friend struggled to watch this because it gave them flashbacks to what happened to them, yet they both said it was done so perfectly and they felt seen and loved it so much, just shows u how much we needed Hazbin hotel
SA shouldn't be sugarcoat,people are mad at Angel because of the way he is dealing with his trauma even though I saw actually SA victims saying they can relate with him...some victim blaming for this "white Knight" on Twitter who are saying they only think for the victims even though they only want to cancel stuff and sugar code it!
I think you mean "sugarcoat"
@@hayond656 my whole life has been a lie 🤣
That's what happens when a lot of uneducated smartasses watch a show like this. Angel became hypersexual which is a quite common response to sexual abuse. He said it himself "it's not fake" and that he "didn't ask to be like this"
He's not fake, it's just a defence mechanism of the brain, to create an illusion that you are in control
@@makima2983lol
But yeah the idea is, a bit of sugar to hide the nasty taste of the thing you are trying to eat, aka, sugar coat a nasty situation.
I love the 3 Vs as antagonist. Vox is so charismatic and entertaining. He has such a smooth voice and steals any scene he is in. Velvet is so brazen and confident that despite her being asshole she is enjoyable to watch and Valentino is so hatable yet intimidating and creepy. Which is his role in the story and he does it well. I like how each of the Vs got their own episode to shine they are a very well written trio of villains that I hope to see more from in the future.
All three suck ass, Valentino is easier to hate but all three are ass
I think the Vs are going to catalyze Carmilla to join the hotel. Alastor and Angel standing against Vox and Valentino makes a strong case, also if the theory that Vaggie is connected to Carmilla is true, the motives are even stronger. The Vs might be outgunned soon.
I think it makes a lot of sense that Valentino is the most emotionally unstable of the Vs since he's the Overlord of "passion" and sex which is very emotional.
"And maybe if I can ruin myself enough in the process, if I end up broken, I won't be his favorite toy anymore" is what started me into self-harm way back in the day. It didn't work. Honestly, I think he liked that he had that kind of power over me. It took a *lot* for me to be able to break away. But I did. It's been 17 years and I am *still* pretty fucked up from it, but I can breathe again.
And stuff like this is how people like me feel *seen.* It makes people uncomfortable? Good! It should. Rape *is* uncomfortable. And one of the worst parts about it is that even the people who claim to support us dehumanize us for their own precious comfort. Victim blame and erase because if it isn’t *our* fault somehow, that makes it too real. Too scary. They don't want to acknowledge it because that makes it an actual danger. Well... It is! And those of us who go through it are real.
As Sir Terry Pratchett wrote, "Evil always starts with treating people like things." This episode shows you that in the most direct way possible.
And what better way then to have Val be a glorified pimp.
The loser song wasn't "victim blaming" it was this thing called
T H E R A P Y
Nah, anything that involves helping victims start to move on instead of worshipping victimhood is now 'blaming' because these people are pathetic and fear growth because they don't have the strength and are cowards. And some of them are likely also victimizers using this ideology to keep people week and suffering to empower themselves.
I am with you on the SA thing, it is something that actually happens to people. If it is bad because it somehow exploits tragedy then guess what? So does depicting any form of tragedy including any form of violence. So unless you want to ban all violence you need to stop special pleading.
Honestly i agree. I was just saying something similar to my husband. This stuff happens and its never talked about even in adult shows. Im glad they didnt shy away from such a heavy topic
@@Celeste-jh2lj yeah I think Nux also just understands all of this as well, I mean from the beginning he is talking about how Angel is this guy who can’t show when he’s scared and does the whole… well you can watch the video.
Yeah I am like that so are my friends, surely it’s not because we got rejected by people who should have loved us and turned to sex work… nah surely not.
This is not the personality you develop by being under a constant threat of violence… no.
This!
I absolutely see this as if one thing cant be said than everything else can't be said either. Like who are we as a society to dictate what's allowed and what's not. This ep is must to make you upset and feel a certain way and that's perfectly fine. They even had SA victims on the team while writing this ep. (That's what I've heard). I applaud them for not sugar coating it at all. As it shouldn't. This is reality, it happens. Why hide it cause it makes you feel uncomfortable well good it should.
This is for ppl who say that Angel is doing a disservice to SA cause he chooses to flirt or overly sexualize himself. For one, it's his coping mechanism. And everyone is different so why dictate on how he should process.
@@boiri Yeah, you get it, oh that was upsetting... no shit. Yeah, it is upsetting, the person who experienced it is traumatized it is assault. Why would knowing that happens not upset you? As for the flirting... if you are in sex work who do you think you will be the victim of? Yeah, your clients! Who you have flirted with and likely slept with.
What if that happens and they come back for your services? Well here is a sad fact a lot of us will just up the rate for you, we can't go to the cops, we can't sue. So how do we get the money out of you? Oh... yeah. If you return just charge double.
Hearing Angle's voice shift when Val is hurting him is so scary. 💔 This episode was so good, it's not only fantastic character writing it shows a lesson that when someone is suffering from an abusive relationship the best thing you can do is support them, not confronting the abuser directly because that can have terrible consequences for the person you're trying to help. People need to see that and people need to see the kind of abuse the victims suffer so they can actually understand and empathize with them.
People point out that Husk doesn't like Angel Dust but he likes Anthony
The whole "controversy" about this episode featuring SA is just stupid. It's all well and good telling someone that it is bad, but they have no point of reference or knowledge on how bad it truly is, unless they hear a first hand account or experience it themselves. Exploring the subject matter through fiction is probably the best way as not only is no one actually hurt irl, it can also show people how truly horrible the situation is, and this is what this episode does extremely well. I feel sorry for Angel Dust that he's been forced into this situation, and make me absolutely hate Valentino where before he was just an extremely horny pimp
literally who there is not a peep from twitter so where are you finding this "controversy" like you know what that word means right....cuz its not a controversy in the slightest
@@diveblock2058 Are you serious?
@@diveblock2058 I'm using it loosely. Edited my comment to reflect that, but that's how Twitter is treating this episode. Also, I do know what controversial means as English is my first language. Anyway, please continue to read the rest of my comment at your earliest convenience as it's clear you read the first sentence only then decided to point out that it's not a full blown controversy
@@cruciant are you?
@@That_Random_British_Dude its quite the liberal use of it indeed...but i can understand english isnt my first language either
and i did read your entire comment however only had a problem with the one part so i cut it off there do you want me to talk about anything in particular?
This episode is a true mature rating not because of all the sex jokes but because how dark it is
Angel’s situation is hard because he really can’t leave unless the contract for his soul is broken. Hence really all he can do is move and take a break for the day. It’s awful
At least now that he opened himself up, he has the bonds needed to endure whatever valentino throws at him, because even though that situation didn't get better at all, he at least knows there's something and someone to care and fight for the next day.
Hopefully he'll find a way to get his soul back in season 2, now that he has done the first step towards confronting him for good and moving on with his life
@@daridon2483 agreed! I love looser baby because it really highlights that finding that support can make a world of difference
That or Valentino is buried 6 feet deeper.
One thing no reactor has noticed, Angel likes Charlie so much that he'd rather have Charlie hate him for telling her off than for Val or anyone else change Charlie's innocent or naïve outlook towards others. "Just don't hurt her", when in reality Val couldn't touch her even if he wanted to because of Charlie's Royal Status.
That said, Val's comment on how he could make Charlie and himself richer than Lucifer himself speaks volumes on how disrespected the Royals are at least on the Pride Ring. This probably is related to how Lucifer lets the Overlords take control of the city doing whatever they want. As such, the Overlords would view Lucifer as somewhat of a coward ever since his fall.
But even if my conjectures would be true or closer to how Vivziepop wrote the lore of the series, at the end of the day Val is just a Sinner and Lucifer is still an Angel and has power over him. We don't know the circumstances that lead to Charlie wanting to not use her Hell Born Powers against the Sinners, but the only way they could hurt Charlie is to break her spirit. Make her resent the sinners and abuse her powers, making her own the Princess of Hell title.
I think when Angel Dust said “don’t hurt her” he meant it literally. He was so scared that in that moment, he actually believed Val would… could hurt Charlie. In his eyes…Val is a monster and Charlie is a sweet innocent gal he needed to protect because gosh darn it, he won’t admit it but he DOES care for her.
This isn’t even the first time, he puts himself in harm’s way to protect another. It was quick but in the pilot, he goes into defense mode by pushing Cherry Bomb out of the way of a gun shot, thus getting caught in the line of fire himself.
6:25 It's like you're a psychologist. I love hearing you give these speeches.
This. So much this.
(Also, I think Nux legit has a degree in psychology, which I keep forgetting haha)
I’ve had an abusive relationship and the voicemails in the earlier episode really hit as that was exactly the BS she did, then this doubling down this episode totally followed her actions
I really like having an accurate depiction of SA and r***, because it just feels like the horror of real life is depicted well. I have so many people in my life who have experienced toxic relationships with r*** and who have experienced r***. I have dealt with sexual harrassment, and as a Vtuber, I'm sure you have faced the same thing, Nux
I hope Nux doesn't get cancelled for this... I know he gets cancelled for everything though... so... welp! That's not happening.
The most vocal are usually the large minority. Most people will be ok with this so he'll be ok.
do...do you know what cancelled means....cuz nux has literally never been cancelled....like that term is thrown around alot but it means "mass withdrawal of support from public figures"....that hasn't happened to him ever because you can only get cancelled by your own community people coitizing how you conduct yourself or politics isn't cancelling....this is literally what happened with sneko and charlie. if you want a example on what cancelled actually looks like look at edp445
tldr nux hasnt been cancelled
Fun fact : the French Valentino is voiced by the Deadpool voice dubber, they made the craziests choices 😂
Omg
I’m French and I didn’t even notice that 😭
"these are not just filler songs like disney,these are important character building moments" if nux does get into steven universe,i think he will love that about that show too. the conversations and emotions from the songs in steven universe are great
(Listens to Husk)
“I can’t stop seeing the Rick and Morty President every time he speaks.”
Me: I can’t stop hearing a drunk version of Goliath from Gargoyles. 😅
Captain Anderson from Mass Effect.
A very jaded King Andrias
Spawn without powers
Same. That was my childhood right there.
saaaame!!!
I just love Huskerdust. Im so excited to see their relationship slowly bloom in the future. As Viv confirmed them.
Nobody, absolutely nobody. Nux describing how Angel self destructs, and uses drugs and alcohol to escape reality but ultimately just dreams about the escape instead of getting it.
Me opening my eyes and coming to realization that’s basically me rn and feel attacked: 👁️👄👁️ … Nux lowkey just helped me realize something about myself because of his reaction to one of my favourite characters in the show ain’t that something.
Ok so context, angel sold his soul to val, so he literally can't leave because his soul is contracted to him. So unless charlie can make val release his soul (which idek if its possible for overlords to leave souls willingly, but i guess since husk gambled away the ones he owned presumably) angel is literally stuck with val and can't leave
If Val dies, Angel would be free, js.
@pagedmaj but the only people that Angel knows who are strong enough to kill Val either would never kill anyone (charlie) or don't care enough unless it benefitted them (Alastor)
@@Sammy_TD the option is there even if Charlie doesn't take it
@@Sammy_TDVal could either die in the extermination to the angels or Lucifer could kill him when he pops up
@@Sammy_TDKilling Valentino makes Vox impotent. That's the angle to take with Alastor.
It bothers me that some people are saying this episode glorifies abuse. Like no, no it doesn't. It is a very good representation of how it feels and what it looks like to be in an abusive relationship. I would know because I was in one from the age of 14 to 21. And a rough one from 21 to 25. Went through a lot of mental and physical abuse, got cut open with a knife really badly, lost a lot of blood. Got told for years i was not attractive by my bf. Have been beaten and stabbed multiple times. I have quite a few physical scars over my body and even more mental ones.
I turned to alcohol and drugs to just numb myself to everything that was happening. And for a while i thought i was the terrible person and it was my fault people were treating me like that.
But on with the original point I was getting at: i love seeing uncomfortable truths being depicted accurately in media, especially things that i have personally experienced. Because it helps to relate to the character more and gets you more invested. In my case, angel dust is the character i relate most to, its not perfectly spot on but close. And yeah, i get legitimately uncomfortable watching the scene and everything between him and valentino. Its uncomfortable because it is accurate, and i think its good to accurately portray dark topics like abuse in media. Because people can see it and be like yeah this is what happens, there are people who have lived through and survived stuff like this.
So yeah, i feel like i have a pretty good position to be able to talk about this, seeing as i have experienced it myself for years. Yes it is an uncomfortable topic to address. Is it gloriying abuse or being offensive? Not at all.
And to all of you who have also been through things like I have: stay strong, the scars will never go away, they do get easier to deal with over time. Especilly if you go to see a therapist.
Be safe yall ❤
Forget Nifty, we need Asmodeus to smoosh that moth!
Angel is my favorite character, my only issue with him is his hair makes me think of a demonic Jack Doherty >.
SOMEONE needs to give Valentino a goooood ass whopping.
I've been dealing with this kind of abuse from a long time... Like being violented for the littlest stuff, basically terrorized into submission like "how dare you fight back i own you you're gonna do what i say or I'm gonna fuck you up"
And it sucks because....i takes an insane amount of strength just to fight back, even a little, before the sh!t swallows you again and then... The cycle repeats and you start to slowly break and loose hope..... You feel like you have no freddom, you have no will on your own, basically you feel like someone else's toy. I know there's some exageration into this but that dressing room scene really triggered some deep ptsd alarms on me, that scene was written from experience.
I relate to this man, it's ringing soooo many bells right now iiiiiii don't know how to react
The fact that angel is living in 2 different lives is so relatable. You fell shitty on your own but when you're around other people you force yourself into a different person I know what it's like.
Probably one of the coolest parts of this episode animation wise is how smooth the transition from normal Charlie to demon mode Charlie is. I like the touch that Charlie has red streaks in her hair that turn into her horns when she's angry.
Nux, Valentino isn't butterfly but a moth.
There's a theory going around that he's moth because Angel is a spider and spiders EAT moth so it's ironic and
... Maybe it's foreshadowing that it will be Angel Dust who ends Valentino's reign
That would be more satisfying than anybody else killing Val
In Portuguese, the subtitle of one of the parts of Poison literally says "it doesn't matter if it hurts, cause it's my falt, and i deserve It"
Sadly, victims of abuse can genuinely think that way
As a survivor I love this episode so much. I feel seen by Angel, the way he deals with it and everything hits so close to home. And then the abuse and how it's shown is so painfully raw, I think they nailed it. I feel like it raises awareness in a good way. I also feel like Husk was perfect, I had moments where just hearing someone else went through it all aswell made me feel a little better (terrible for them ofcourse but atleast not alone). Also Poison is a bop.
Valintino squeaking like a real moth is perfect
“Loser, Baby” is up to now one of my favorite songs out of this show, but I like how Val is moth to Angel is a spider
- Husk is voiced by Kieth David who also voices Andrias (Amphibia), Goliath, Thailog, & others (Gargoyles), Dr. Facilier (The Princess & the Frog), Spawn (Spawn), Tenma (Pluto), Flame King & Balthus (Adventure Time), Apollo (Hercules), Okkoto (Princess Mononoke), Atlas (Teen Titans), President & reverse giraffe (Rick & Morty), Manny (Ducktales), Tombstone (The Spectacular Spider-Man), Mongul (Young Justice), Sal Commander (TMNT), Cheshire Cat (Once Upon a Time in Wonderland), Bolo ( Final Space), & many more
- Angel Dust & the Egg Boiz are voiced by Blake Roman who also voices one of the mariachi imps (Helluva Boss)
- Valentino is voiced by Joel Perez who also voices Dr. Somna (Helluva Boss)
Dude! you can’t mention Keith David without mentioning the beautiful masterpiece of the character that is The Arbiter!
Were it so easy
When you say Hercules, do you mean the disney one, or something else. I'm asking cause I generally don't remember any of the other gods getting lines other than the primary cast.
@@adorkablerandomness7210 I don't remember him talking in the movie, but he pops up in the Disney Hercules show a couple of times.
@sylvirgiomanach1491 they made a show? I'm gonna have to look it up now🤔
The fact that Nux felt the need to remind his editor he's appreciated. Says great things about Nux. Nux is a great person, AND entertaining. Love him for it.
That line where angel said "maybe if i ruin myself ill no longer be his favorite toy to play with" literally brought a tear to my eye when i first watched it. That delivery was so fuckin powerful
To all the people who hated on the clip of Poison really shouldn't have. The full scene is supposed to make you uncomfortable, but it conveys what it's supposed to.
Difficult themes should not be shied away from in media, but they should not be made light of either. Hazbin hotel struck a good balance for Angel's situation and more media should dare to venture "into the dark." These situations are horrible, but the only way us people can understand if we see what it does to people and empathize with these people. This episode will forever stand as a benchmark of how you deal with this topic honestly and respectfully and Vivziepop and the entire Hazbin Team deserves the BIGGEST W for putting it together like they did!
I used to not be super into Angel Dust, but this episode’s exploration of his character made me appreciate the character a lot more
im not going to lie...valitino is one of the rare chars that feels like a REAL villain. and i haven't seen that is such a long time.
The thing about the tough love technique of helping someone is it depends on on the person and the time. Someone tried it with me while I was having a panic attack triggered by depression, because apparently it had helped with his friend, and I literally almost jumped out of the car while we were on the interstate. So maybe that wasn’t the best situation to tell someone to “get your shit together,” as that was what I was currently struggling to do.
But sometimes people need to start with Husk’s acknowledgement of hitting rock bottom, then follow up with Charlie’s encouragement when they actually work towards improving.
Sometimes you need someone in your life who can look through the facade and see who you really are. Thats Husk for Angel.
Angel’s voice crack is so heartbreaking.
I look at Angel Dust and i see my sisters current abusive relationship and it boils my blood to no end. She has actually talked to me like this when i was standing up to the prick that hits her.
Some People: “Wow, I didn’t know Keith David could sing!”
Me who remembers him singing “Friends on the Other Side” from Princess and the Frog: 🤨
Poison is SO good it’s one of my second favourite songs
Finished the other three JUST in time for this drop. I appreciate you releasing this just for me.
The episodes have been out for days. You’re just slow.
@@Ash_Lexi think he meant this Guy vídeo react
@@karmagaming2098 ahhhhhh that makes more sense lol
Are completely agree with your initial take nux because it shows the correct awareness and how that situation can really mess a person up and cause them to shut down and build so many solid strong walls to defend themselves
I'm not sure if you caught it, but Charlie is seen angry for a few frames. It isn't long, but it is enough to let you know she isn't just some princess. I'm wondering when we see the balloon of her rage pop. When it happens, I'm hoping Valentino is first.
Agreed and I hope he loses more then a few inches when it happens.
This is one of the darkest pieces of television I have watched on a hot minute, but it is also incredibly smart, takes the subject as serious as it deserves to be taken and understands this is adult stuff, in a show made for adults, that knows it is talking to adults
Valentino reminds me of my dad, not for the SA thing but that smile he gave to Charlie. My dad had total control of me and my mom by abuse and constant lies. When he couldn't get to her anymore, he started picking on me so that it would get to my mom. My mom's solution was telling me not to react because he was just trying to get to her. My mom used to tell me that I was just like him too; all the time when I was a kid when we would argue or I would throw a tantrum. I never really knew what comfort or being relaxed was as a kid. I still kinda don't
You too?
@@mckenzie.latham91 Mhm. My dad convinced my mom and me that I was the problem but I wasn't
I like how angel’s VA uses his range in this episode. It’s fun to hear him talk in different tones.
Every time I hear him say skibidi rizz my Mob Psycho Rage counter goes up by 1
Nuxanor, thank you so much for saying it at the start of the video about the depictions! I'm sick of people being cancelled for wanting this stuff to be seen as a serious issue and not just a subject to joke about, because that's what people will do! Society is effed, more people need to see that!
This episode made me cry ngl this is some of the best writing I've had to privilege to watch ever
Also, when you turn one trait into your entire existence you start believing everyone is just as empty inside, just as shallow, just as NOTHING as you. Then when people show you're wrong, even if trying to help you it destroys that one hope you have and you either shatter completely or become badass.
19:25 - To be clear, Valentino is a **moth,** which is hinted at early on by the shape of his antennae (butterflies have thin antennae with a little teardrop shape at the very end whereas moths have ones that look like feathers). It's largely a play on the saying "like a moth to a flame", with Valentino himself actually being the flame and all his workers being the metaphorical moths who get burned flying too close.
"You can not grape me if i consent"
Angel Dust really does just cope with feeling used.
Choosing your ultimatum is not good.
You can't give consent if the other person doesn't back off when you said no in the first place. That is the definition of an ultimatum.
I'm also concerned about the Lack of Alastor in this episode. Not getting to know what he's up to after him being in every episode and being shown that he owns husk makes for great foreshadowing. Also, did anyone else notice how Husk wasn't going to do anything until Angel's drink got spiked?
those who are ragging on this show, and episode in particular, have missed the most important message it's trying to tell. rather than push passed the uncomfortable nature to actually see that message, they use their uncomfortableness and claim it's glorifying such acts and victim blaming when things like this happen. In fact it's quite the opposite, of course. It's like that saying, "Pain shared is pain halved" Suffering with someone else is better than suffering alone and opens up a door to a light that didn't seem possible before.
I reallly hope Charlie can find a way to get Angel out of his contract. Or get help from Husk (since he used to be an Overlord) and/or Alistor to find a loop hole. Or shit, get Nifty to squash some bugs...
ok but who was ragging on it....
I think Niffty wanting to punish "Bad Boys" and killing bugs does have me thinking that she might kill Val.
@@Gamer_G33k i hope she has a hand in whatever happens in any event lol
@@diveblock2058 many on Twitter and Tumblr. there's lots of videos regarding that. Nux has done a few vids about it himself i believe
Husk's voice actor isn't just the President in Rick and Morty. He's Spawn, Goliath, The Shadowman, The Arbiter, and more. He's a very underrated actor.
Also Dr. Facilier from Princess and the Frog and Andrias from Amphibia.
Captain Cantrell from the quick and the dead
As some with CPTSD, anxiety, and major depression from years of being raped by so many different people, I definitely related so much to this episode and appreciated this episode or being afraid to explore the darkness and depravity of humanity and show the self-destruction of trauma survivors. Similar to how SVU helps me.
In the beginning when Nux agreed Angel is fake, he really talked too soon. Angel represents those of us who know what that abuse is like. We may come across as fake, but we’re actually being as real as we can be.
Idk I think he means Angel’s putting on a facade instead of letting his emotions get to him cause it’ll feel worse if he doesn’t
@@devilheartcandy perhaps
@@jamie_mask_west that's... literally the fakeness Husk is referring to too, so...
Angel is fake. Husk and Angel’s song essentially proves it from Angel’s own mouth that he was fake af.
Now compare that to the end of the episode when he tells Husk how “shit Valentino’s eyes are”. At the end, Angel is being real for like the first time ever in the show.
Angel didn't say he was fake. He actually said "It's not an act! It's who I need to be." He's not doing anything to be fake.
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I agree that subject matter like this should be portrayed in fiction and cartoons even if it's subtle.
Where the problem lies is people don't understand that the abuse and assault scenes in this episode are not supposed to be gratifying or make you go "aww how cute" like they seem to think. Their portrayal in this episode is clearly supposed to and DOES make the viewer uncomfortable, as that's its job. You can have SA and abuse be shown in this kind of media as long as the topic is handled with care and accuracy, which the team behind Hazbin has done extremely well. :)
Honestly, people who think this episode was glorifying SA are just outing themselves
I also heard somewhere that Valentino is actually based on Viv's abusive ex, which is why the show does such a good job at portraying it in such a ruthless way. The info may be wrong since it's just heresy but if it is true, that would make a lot of sense
28:09 Dude as a former grooming victim, you hit the nail STRAIGHT on it’s damn head. I literally could not have worded it better myself. And a lot of people don’t realize that it’s rarely ever a conscious decision to start enjoying the abuse. It’s often times our brain’s way of trying to protect us from the pain: getting use to the feeling and it becoming so familiar that you adjust, romanticize, or just straight up go numb. But Twitter can’t handle it when actual survivors have Stockholm Syndrome 🙃
let me just say as someone who has lived what angel lives this episode just made me love this show so much more, it took it to a real place, validated mine and others personal experences as real and may help others to understand this darkness many live with but are too... hurt to talk about it themselves... it was so well writen and i apreciate what this has already done for me.... and what it will do for so many others
If Nux's eyes were red he could easily pass as an overlord of hell ngl
When i first watched this episode i dissociated hard once i heard the sheer panic in Angels voice and didnt come back until the episode was over. Took me watching it 2 more times to get through. It is a well-done honest and true show of abusive relationships. And the whole thing of "just leave" makes me sick cause what if that's your family or someone who people expect you to stay with. I love this episode and Poison is just such a bop and Loser following it is wonderful.
There's a cute acronym that I learned in therapy as a kid called NCAT
Name the problem
Claim the responsibilities of the problem be it others or especially your own
Aim it. As in set up goals/solutions to fix/heal from the problem
Then finally Tame it by actually doing the solutions.
Obviously in each step of that kind of process it's going to be difficult. And it's going to take a while to fully get around to each step varying from difficulty of the situation.
So if anything I feel like Husk is helping Angel to cope with claiming his mistakes because he already knows his is responsible. Husk is literally pulling Angel back up on his feet so he doesn't fall back into the pitfall of helpless despair. I feel like this is a good step in the direction for redemption. By this I mean For Angel to redeem his self worth to himself. But obviously it's going to be a struggle.He and anyone else relating to his situation need outside help along side the victim realizing that they deserve/need that help.
One of the hardest premises that they showed in the show was how Angel was always looking for death when he got off his high and dropped into a low. You can especially see it when he came back from work and was yelling back at Husk, he was literally about to go feral (as you see all 8 of his eyes pop out) and Husk was literally summoned by Alastor so Angel knows he's not some push over and he could probably definitely handle him, maybe even end him but he hit his head and just left it all. Like these moments are so moving that they really deserve to be seen because not everyone has the luxury of living their lives worry free with out such manipulations
Bro,best episode, so many emotions (bad and then good) ,cannot wait for more
Watching your reactions to this show is unironically restoring my faith in humanity.
It’s so important some people get pulled out of their “sex work is work ✨” bubble on Twitter by this. It’s important to show the horrible reality of what this “job” is
It's pretty sad that society today won't even let "bad thing shown is bad" happen without someone throwing a hissy fit. MAN people are soft.
How humans survived this long being so sensitive is beyond me.
Thank you for watching this Nux!
To be fair, humans were Disturbingly ruthless in the past. While it's good we toned way down, society definitely a little too soft through cushier lives
“How can you have the take that Hazbin Hotel glorifies abuse?”
Because they don’t watch it, Nux.
16:12 This has been a thought that crossed my mind before, but I'd be willing to bet if Charlie asked Valentino to break Angels contract, Valentino would in exchange ask her to let her self get filmed doing one of his movies. That seems like a very far exchange given Charlie's fame and status that one movie would make up for the loss of Angeldust. Also from a story perspective it's a Crist like move to take on the pain of other to free them from their pain.
I really do hope that vivzie is watching these because I think you're putting it into words just what kind of art she has created for this world she has enriched our lives with such wonderful storytelling and I hope she knows this.
You can hear Angel's voice drop a octave lower in his more vulnerable moments.
People who hope that Valentino will never see the light of day as soon as possible are my brethren
I bawled when I watched this episode. I could see myself in Angel's shoes, faking being alright and desperately trying to find a vice to help me forget the pain. It took 7 years for me to finally get brave enough to leave, and it nearly destroyed me. I threw away my college degree despite being so close to my bachelors, threw away my freedom, gave up on the few things that made me truly happy, and went right back into that kind of relationship because it was all I could comprehend my life being. By the time I divorced the second guy, I was just so numb and tired of everything that I simply disassociated. It's amazing how we can function like that for extended periods of time. It's taken years of patience, therapy, medication, and a stable environment to get out of that frame of mind. It's a daily battle with my mind, and I still get nightmares despite being 15+ years free. Kinda sad it's taken me being near 40 to finally admit that I am okay with who I am.
For the ones still deep in the trenches, we're here when you need help with the weight of everything. Can't fix it for you, but I'll share every little tidbit that's helped me if it means it could help you too. Yeah I'm a loser, baby, a no-good washed up loser, and that's okay with me.