I was wondering if you can use gravity generators on another ship, like an interdictpr type weapon or something like the jump ships that lock on to another ship's hull and jump it away. If it works, I am imagining some sort of remote control ship, or massive dreadnaught that has rows and rows of gravity generators oriented so that when it gets close enough, the gravity pushes or pulls the enemy vessel in an unpredictable manner. Thoughts on feasibility?
You missed the most obvious con of using gravity drives: if your ship takes enough damage to shift the center of gravity, you have *ZERO* hope of preventing it from pinwheeling unless you turn them all off, which means you can't control it anyways. (It could make for a hilarious video, though!)
been using grav drives for a long time, the loss of parts of the grid will affect the controls slightly,at most.and that can be corrected while u fly back to base for repairs.
Set one of your gyros to overide for correcting after center of gravity gets messed up. I always keep one on standby for that reason, that and also I don't bother with center of gravity on design step XD
@@Lucifer_Nihilum grav drives are excellent for side strafing in a fight, though it really requires a script to shift mass between containers to maintain center of gravity.
Man, now I wanna do a gravity battering ram. Just imagine that you've spent hours on a pvp server building an impenetrable star fortress before some chucklefuck plows straight through the defenses, since the "engine" only really needs a single battery to work. Bonus points if there's remote access to a warhead embedded into the ship lol
@@Zer0sLegion then add in a warhead further back in the missile with a sensor activated detonator... once penetration is achieved BOOM! gut the target inside out.
Any veteran of Space engineers knows of the gravity drive. I still use them in all my larger ships and relegate thrusters to control the drift. You do have to somewhat design your ship around them but it's very useful if you can map your movement keys to the toggle groups for different grav generator arrays. It's also good to limit the size of the gravity volume so you don't end up with wonky gravity. I've seen some programmable blocks that activate different groups of grav gens for pitch, roll, and yaw as well. Grav drives also scale by volume so the larger your ship is the faster it can go. Using gravity catapults for fighters and drop pods is also a common thing I use on my carriers. As well as the infamous "railgun" which is just a rock or small mass block attached to a bunch of hanger doors ( sometimes warheads and gyroscopes as well) and fired out of a stack of gravity generators.
I made a ship years ago that only used gravity drives that accelerated at 106m/s². Literally by the time you fully depressed a directional key you were at vanilla top speed.
I use gravity drives on my kinetic ballistic missiles. The ramming power is insane. Add multiple stacked spin-blocks to the missile's front and you have a giant space drill with massive force and the ability to grind holes through ships.
I remember years ago back when Creative was big, using gravity driven torpedos with a container full of 50k stones in the front. The rocks would force each other apart and shred everything and the target's gravity gens would crush them down from ceiling down through the floor. Or crash the server with similar loads of explosive. Or, once you've already started doing evil things, release the Space Virus! which self-replicated and spread out, self-replicating again and again until the server crashed. Ahh those were the days
I used gravity drives on my little mining ship in a server a while back. Ions only for precise movement, but the gravity drives got me from place to place So efficient... And oddly elegant too My center of mess was slightly misaligned though, if I were to build it again I could do better
With some trial-and-error, I found this possible with ships which are asymmetrical, but it requires quite a bit of care not to radically imbalance the craft. I modified an asymmetrical, 100m ship I am making, and aside from a very slight force pulling the bow downwards going forward, and upwards going in reverse, it works very well and the movement disappears as soon as you hit maximum speed and shut off the drives. I think people just need to build up some confidence in themselves. I now have two vessels equipped with forwards and reverse grav-drives, and I'm about to try to get one that can grav-strafe as well for a fast, destroyer-type ship.
If you want to lose the thrusters entirely there are scripts that will control a multi-directional gravity drive to let you thrust in all directions at a ridiculous speed using the standard movement keys rather than hotbar buttons. I would still recommend some thrusters onboard though because trying to dock to a connector when your minimum acceleration is 100m/s per second is not gonna end well
I am glad to see that someone is touching base on something that I called a mass gravity driver design a long time ago. To be honest, I don't think that I have seen anyone go into much detail about it sense I started playing the game when it was still very fresh years ago. Being a veteran to using the Gravity Engine, as you called them, be in mind that any large ship that you put them into, you will need to come back to them and recalibrate so that it does not drift from the center when you engage them. That is because when they add a big update the ships balance gets thrown off from changes the developers made. Another point that was kind of not correct is atmosphere worlds. You are correct that the engine will not work if the gravity is at 100%, or 1G. I will point this out here, you can have them working to move your ship as soon as the gravity from a planet gets to about .5 or less. This would be a helpful tip for anyone that wants to fly off a planet using less hydrogen. The last thing that I would like to note on here, is the total mass of the object and the number of gravity engines will affect the overall acceleration and the top speed that ships can go. One major drawback that was not mentioned about this engine, it is how it will snap pistons and rotor pieces. Landing gear or merge blocks can lock things in place to prevent this from being a problem, but it makes the ship much larger and bulky in some places. I thought about posting a link to something I made back in 2014 from my steam workshop, but it is really old and there was not atmosphere or planets at the time when I made it. I also don't want to take away from Zer0 here from putting together a very informative video about something that I really enjoy building on this game. Good work Zer0, I enjoyed this video. My steam GT is DireStragerd. I also play this on xbox one. GT for that is Stragerd. I don't mind talking to you about anything else or showing you what I did put together a long time ago. I don't mind loading up an old design and go over how I would recalibrate the gravity engine for flying straight or making it to where it can enter orbit on planets.
2:34 TIP: The thrust of your Grav Drive should = number of mass blocks *x* weight of single mass block *x* Sum of all *g* (from all grav generators) You can always compare your *Grav Drive's thrust* to *actual* thrusters (which give you their thrust if you set them on override) - *save yourself the time testing all this*
Artificial Mass Drives use to be vary common on ships before the Jump Drive came out back in mid 2015. Though I still use them in my larger warships as an emergency get away.
@@Zer0sLegion You can put Gravity generators facing other directions and set them very low to reduce drift. But it'll occur no matter what if you have a docked ship, an attached rotor; hinge etc, or if you have battle damage. For me it's an emergency drive, as long as it's pushing me forward-ish it doesn't matter.
@@TheNoobYouHATE I still use them in all my larger ships and relegate thrusters to control the drift. You do have to somewhat design your ship around them but it's very useful if you can map your movement keys to the toggle groups for different grav generator arrays. It's also good to limit the size of the gravity volume. I've seen some programmable blocks that activate different groups of grav gens for pitch, roll, and yaw as well. Grav drives also scale by volume so the larger your ship is the faster it can go.
@@inventor121 Ya know... I once made an Ork ship that I named _Snatch Graba_ It had little Mass Drives scattered all around it. It was a nightmare *with* thruster overrides to keep on target. It most devastating weapon was triggering my friend's OCD. (Which is exactly what I wanted)
2 years late but you could use it to make an electric ship capable of operating in both atmospheres and in space, simply by using the gravity drive to escape the planet
This is actually very helpful and insightful. I have a very massive dreadnought that has a very hard time breaking with it only losing a meter per second every second meaning stopping at 60 meters per second takes a whole minute. This seems very helpful in quickly bringing the ship to a stop or burning away a majority of the speed. I don’t really want to add more breaking thrust though as it’d kinda ruin the look of the ship.
Ahhh ye olde grav drive. Wanna learn a fun trick, put those mass blocks AROUND the spherical gravity generator and turn all the blocks off except the ones pointed in the direction you want to go. 3-dimentional grav thrust.
I've been playing SE since it became available on Steam, I've always used Grav-Thrusters, it's more energy efficient, faster acceleration, and can allow for extreme maneuverability.
Seems super handy for fast maneuvers. Attach the gravity gens to a rotor so you can "jump" up to avoid a railgun barrage. (Or fix center of mass drift) Or use one front and another on the back to do the same move, invert one drive, and quickly rotate yourself.
Great vid. Nice clear voice. Imagine doing tutorials in a super old space building game. >XD I highly recommend WhipLash141's Gravity Drive Manager (script on github). Getting carried awaywith many grav-drive components can cause sim speed issues.
Two notes from my extensive use of grav drives. If the grav drive isnt perfect with the center of mass just make sure you have enough gyroscopes to keep the ship straight while you accelerate. on very large ships especially with cargo weight changing getting it perfect is impossible. Just make sure your ship has enough gyro control to hold it straight. Second, the further you put the grav drive in FRONT of the center of mass the more it pulls the ship forward and the less its trying to spin you. I have one large ship where the grav drive is 5 blocks below the center of mass but its 38 blocks ahead of it so it is not hard to fight it with gyros and still very effective since you only need the grav drive for a few seconds to accelerate, then power it down and coast 🚀🚀
Grav drives certainly work quite well as a primary drive supported by maneuvering thrusters, which can be quite useful on ships in the cruiser grade and above range seeking to have good acceleration and long distance travel capabilities separate from their jump drive, especially useful when the max speed is upped. They do, however, present some potential weaknesses regarding the systems ability to function effectively through damage, especially compared to a dispersed array of self sufficient thrusters, and the expense and typical necessity to place it in prime ship internals real estate where you might otherwise place fuel, power gen, or magazine space. All in all, it's a useful tool to remember, but one with tradeoffs to keep in mind.
Ah yes, gravity drives. My favorite method of ship locomotion. My favorite use was sticking gravity gens inside hangers and fitting my drones or fighters in MP with mass blocks and maneuvering thrusters, we always had to have the learning curve of using dampeners off, but in return we could launch fighters fast when pirates came, have them at max speed immediately and when time to come back in we set up a gravity trap with a generator on a rotor, so the fighter returns never having to slow down and is stopped by the same generator to launch it; for added bonus, lining the launch bay with generators made launch and retrieval incredibly stable and you just raise the generator on the rotor to lock it in on all directions
If we really wanted to get complicated, set up generators top and bottom, and we could go without needing any kind of energy wastage in lifting the ship ready for launch... Eventually it got to the point we just had the launch bay be under a platform with a piston lift... It works like 60% of the time... If we kept the base ship stationary.
Was it over engineered? Yes... Was it and absolute pain to make in survival? Yes... did fighters end up incredibly flat and wide? Actually nope, we kinda made them like needles so we could fit them in a tube... Did we have to go through way too many copies in creative to get the timer blocks perfect? Oh yeah... Was it unbelievably fun to get that lowering into a launch tube effect? Hell yes! Did we ever fire a fighter from this catapult with a warhead just cause? Yup.
This should be named the Münchausen-Drive. After all, the ship literally pulls itself forward, just like how Münchausen pulled himself out of a swamp 😂
New in this game, but +1200h!! this game is crazy!! but this gravity generator is abused, it benefits huge over- armed ships, with heavy armor and ionic vs small fragile block fighters, mounted with hydrogen tanks that explode and end up being useless!! too bad! illogical!! another point for me, 100m/s instead of 1000m/s! otherwise with 100 player and more life in the game, to confuse the players with, but it is clearly the best space simulation in survival mod, mechanical puzzle and design!! looking forward to seeing in the future, but a single parameter can screw everything up! afterward i prefer a first one which streamlines in the servers to add players, than graphic in a second!! a reset server would not be bad too, everyone on earth!! if the perfomance is bad why not put black holes to jump on all servers!! bring everyone together!! so many possibilities, he seems to be dying, it's really sad!! we need a new start, please take my money!! it's the best special survival battle royal in the world, for me
There’s actually an more effective alternative Drive to use, the Clang Drive. It uses less energy and works perfectly no matter the Gravity and it’s only slightly bigger. It needs a Piston that’s pushing a an Interior Pillar in the Underside of an Normal Door(just slightly), the Stronger The Piston pushed the Faster/Stronger the Ship/Rocket(even a Rover if your Crazy enough) will accelerate. It even work in Small Grid with an Rotor pushing an 1x1 Wheel in an Door using the Offset function. It has to be aligned with the Center of Mass like a Gravity Drive and the Underside of the Door indicates the direction of the Pushing Force.
I love it... Used it to build missiles on my modded servers. A heavy armored head with a seperated part loaded with one or multiple (depending on the version, Scarce Ressources is a pain when waging eternal war with 30+ ppl in surviva😅l) Warheads and gravity drive. Enemy missile defense was mostly unable to bring them down (speed) and most capital ships and stations tend to use artificial gravitiy, so after the timed shutdown of the gravity generators it would just find it's target. The heavy armor head punched a hole and after that the warheads set off... Hit rate for my beloved Mjolner Mk. IV (with 4-6 Warheads, for economic reasons) was slightly more than 30%, but I saw whole battleships ripped by a single hit. Biggest advantage was still the speed though... If you're lucky, you could fire from 20km and still hit (not likely, but in theory absolutely possible). Working on some scripts and concepts for an even more advanced missile of doom
So yeah ive done this before With 12k grav blocks I got an acceleration of 0 to mach 24.5 (8.5km/s) in 71 milliseconds The most i've fit into a space like that was about 50k drives held together with only mass blocks, couldn't turn it on, instantly bricked my pc, you want 2 gravs for every 1 mass block
I downloaded once a Ship, several Years ago, who haad Gravity Engine. with my Thrusters and it realy had insane much Thrusters, i had like 1 minute to reach full speed. very big ship. almost couldent handle Atmosphere, with Gravity Engine it took 3 seconds to full speed ^^
Thats cool i will ad to my Space Game Gravity Drive. I am making a Game like Space Engineers but it was gonna be more Focused on Fighting Aliens. Gravity Drive is Interesting next Tech Tier should be quantum gravity drive. Then Latest Tier should be Mini Black Hole for Solar System Sized Ships.
I feel like I'm living through a Renaissance of people giving a damn about Space Engineers. Who would've thought there would be a video about litterally the oldest trick in the game in the year of our lord 2022?
(all done with removed speed cap because it's cringe) Damn, I remember how good it felt when my friend placed his cool ship and I made a ship that shoots grav drive torpedos and proceded to destroy him from 12 km of range. At some point we progressed to moving gravity drive torpedos with huge gravity gen clusters for deflection, this progressed to making torpedoes that switch off the power on the grav gen. Since the latter opened the world of Space engineers coding, we moved to seeker torpedoes in a crazy arms race
I wouldn't surprise if one day a guy build a ship with gravity drive as thruster and jump without jump drive but only use some sort of gravity drive mechanism and physic
I mean, you could build an upward facing grav drive and achieve neutral buoyancy on a planet. Then you can use thrusters or more grav gens to move horizontally.
i use this in combination with Defense Shields to make what i call a "Battering Bubble." i also use them if i am taking a lot of damage and i need to make sure i can ram a target to do some damage.
ive seen grav gens on stations and you just put 1 mass block on ships, this way you arent lugging all that weight around and once you get up to speed you dont need them anymore
i think another problem could arise with combat, if you get one side of your ship destroyed then it won’t be symmetrical. i think a setup of gravity things and ion thrusters where you use gravity to accelerate and ions to keep yourself going might help
I suppose a lot depends on what your most constraining resource is. Large Ion Thrusters are only 15 PCU. 1 Aritifical Mass Block + 1 Gravity Generator is 210 PCU. Ion Thrusters also work in relatively low-gravity enviornments, like the moon, so there are definitely advantages and disadvantages to both.
This is the bug turned into a feature... And I still don't understand why they keep that in the game, this shouldn't be possible. It's super fun and useful, but it just should not be possible.
smh some people are only now discovering the secret of the G-drive in 2022. These bad boys have always been my favorite thing in the game. The real problem with them is lag. The game needs to calculate volumes for every grav generator, and vectors for every mass block, so if you try to scale them up in any meaningful way, you'll hit a hard limit in terms of how much fun you and everyone else on the server will be having. There's a certain sweet spot in terms of ship size where these are really good though; I'd say the limit is about 16 generators in every direction. Smaller than that and it won't be so effective or fast, bigger than that and you won't be so comfortable on your potato computer. (I think the most lag-efficient plan is to have equal numbers of generators and mass blocks, but I'm not sure on that one.) Also, if you want to control these things without looking like an idiot with 6 generator groups in your hotbar, use the TOG (The One Gravitydrive) script! It was originally posted to the steam workshop by DifferentLevelDan, but has been taken down and reuploaded a few times.
I currently have 3000 gravity gens on a grid and I'm not getting too much lag. I'd suggest that it's mass blocks that cause the lag as that calculations are caused by them. I'm using eight of those compared to the 3000 gravs.
@@Zer0sLegion I tried making a gravity cannon, but using a ton of gravity generators on the ship and an artificial mass on the projectile, I mean it kinda worked okish... but nowhere near the speed you were flying at here... I never could get it to work as I wanted. Never occurred to me to put the gravity generator on the projectile itself. I'ma have to try this out now :P
Grav drives are the best, after all, everything else leaves your craft with structural weakpoints better spent on thicker armor and more mass to spear the enemy with.
I've had the idea floating around for a while to use a sort of gyroscope to move the mass block in the direction I need to move and a second set in the nose or back to steer but I'm much to lazy to do that.
Depends on how fast you want to go, personally I prefer 1000m/s which I made my own mod for (but loads of those exits on the workshop). If you want to go as fast as possible, "speed" seems to be your best option.
Only two Star Wars quotes this time, SLACKING! What are you guy's favourite Star Wars quotes, let me know!
There are four lights.
@@copter2000 Ah yes, a person of culture I see
"Another happy landing !"
@@Baguette-pd8cy Waiting to use this one at some point.
@@Zer0sLegion Han Solo: Ever heard of the Millennium Falcon its the ship that made the castle run in 12 Parsec.
I knew about grav gens, but i didn't realise just how powerful they were
It surprised me as well, I didn't realise they were quite that effective.
We used to call them "jump drives" before those got added
@@Zer0sLegion I’ve known about this for a few years now didn’t actually take the centre of mass into account tho
I thought that developers nerfed gravity "drive" years ago.
It’s not a bug, it’s a feature ( I think this is the only time where this saying is actually true)
I was wondering if you can use gravity generators on another ship, like an interdictpr type weapon or something like the jump ships that lock on to another ship's hull and jump it away. If it works, I am imagining some sort of remote control ship, or massive dreadnaught that has rows and rows of gravity generators oriented so that when it gets close enough, the gravity pushes or pulls the enemy vessel in an unpredictable manner. Thoughts on feasibility?
Only if they have mass blocks on them, doesn't work otherwise.
You missed the most obvious con of using gravity drives: if your ship takes enough damage to shift the center of gravity, you have *ZERO* hope of preventing it from pinwheeling unless you turn them all off, which means you can't control it anyways. (It could make for a hilarious video, though!)
Well, if you use a sub-grid that weakness is completely negated.
And Gravity Drives are almost entirely suited for travel rather than PvP anyway.
been using grav drives for a long time, the loss of parts of the grid will affect the controls slightly,at most.and that can be corrected while u fly back to base for repairs.
You could have both and have a button to turn on the gravity drive just to accelerate to max speed for minimal energy usage.
Set one of your gyros to overide for correcting after center of gravity gets messed up. I always keep one on standby for that reason, that and also I don't bother with center of gravity on design step XD
@@Lucifer_Nihilum grav drives are excellent for side strafing in a fight, though it really requires a script to shift mass between containers to maintain center of gravity.
Man, now I wanna do a gravity battering ram.
Just imagine that you've spent hours on a pvp server building an impenetrable star fortress before some chucklefuck plows straight through the defenses, since the "engine" only really needs a single battery to work.
Bonus points if there's remote access to a warhead embedded into the ship lol
I've found drills work best to ram with, I went through 16 blocks of heavy armour with one on the tip of my ship.
@@Zer0sLegion then add in a warhead further back in the missile with a sensor activated detonator... once penetration is achieved BOOM! gut the target inside out.
@@robinhood5627 thermonuclear warhead from nuke mod
No energy needed if you use space balls in lieu of art mass.
@@Zer0sLegion builders + gravity gen missles is a fun one for long range engagement
Any veteran of Space engineers knows of the gravity drive. I still use them in all my larger ships and relegate thrusters to control the drift. You do have to somewhat design your ship around them but it's very useful if you can map your movement keys to the toggle groups for different grav generator arrays. It's also good to limit the size of the gravity volume so you don't end up with wonky gravity. I've seen some programmable blocks that activate different groups of grav gens for pitch, roll, and yaw as well. Grav drives also scale by volume so the larger your ship is the faster it can go.
Using gravity catapults for fighters and drop pods is also a common thing I use on my carriers. As well as the infamous "railgun" which is just a rock or small mass block attached to a bunch of hanger doors ( sometimes warheads and gyroscopes as well) and fired out of a stack of gravity generators.
I made a ship years ago that only used gravity drives that accelerated at 106m/s². Literally by the time you fully depressed a directional key you were at vanilla top speed.
It's crazy how effective it is, I've been testing stuff for the next video and I was able to get to 15,000m/s instantly.
@@Zer0sLegion check out jump gates. I have several designs. It's like an external gravity drive that also works on small grids.
@@korvatusklok4059 might already have a video coming out soon with that in it 😋
I use gravity drives on my kinetic ballistic missiles. The ramming power is insane. Add multiple stacked spin-blocks to the missile's front and you have a giant space drill with massive force and the ability to grind holes through ships.
Speaking of drills, they're the best tips for your weapons. Drills have very high HP and are 72% resistant to explosions and don't deform.
I remember years ago back when Creative was big, using gravity driven torpedos with a container full of 50k stones in the front. The rocks would force each other apart and shred everything and the target's gravity gens would crush them down from ceiling down through the floor. Or crash the server with similar loads of explosive. Or, once you've already started doing evil things, release the Space Virus! which self-replicated and spread out, self-replicating again and again until the server crashed.
Ahh those were the days
1:25 "I'll try spinning thats a good trick"
I used gravity drives on my little mining ship in a server a while back.
Ions only for precise movement, but the gravity drives got me from place to place
So efficient... And oddly elegant too
My center of mess was slightly misaligned though, if I were to build it again I could do better
With some trial-and-error, I found this possible with ships which are asymmetrical, but it requires quite a bit of care not to radically imbalance the craft.
I modified an asymmetrical, 100m ship I am making, and aside from a very slight force pulling the bow downwards going forward, and upwards going in reverse, it works very well and the movement disappears as soon as you hit maximum speed and shut off the drives.
I think people just need to build up some confidence in themselves. I now have two vessels equipped with forwards and reverse grav-drives, and I'm about to try to get one that can grav-strafe as well for a fast, destroyer-type ship.
If you want to lose the thrusters entirely there are scripts that will control a multi-directional gravity drive to let you thrust in all directions at a ridiculous speed using the standard movement keys rather than hotbar buttons. I would still recommend some thrusters onboard though because trying to dock to a connector when your minimum acceleration is 100m/s per second is not gonna end well
I've seen the scripts, it just feels like cheating (more than it does already 😜)
@@Zer0sLegion Fair enough lol
I am glad to see that someone is touching base on something that I called a mass gravity driver design a long time ago. To be honest, I don't think that I have seen anyone go into much detail about it sense I started playing the game when it was still very fresh years ago.
Being a veteran to using the Gravity Engine, as you called them, be in mind that any large ship that you put them into, you will need to come back to them and recalibrate so that it does not drift from the center when you engage them. That is because when they add a big update the ships balance gets thrown off from changes the developers made.
Another point that was kind of not correct is atmosphere worlds. You are correct that the engine will not work if the gravity is at 100%, or 1G. I will point this out here, you can have them working to move your ship as soon as the gravity from a planet gets to about .5 or less. This would be a helpful tip for anyone that wants to fly off a planet using less hydrogen.
The last thing that I would like to note on here, is the total mass of the object and the number of gravity engines will affect the overall acceleration and the top speed that ships can go.
One major drawback that was not mentioned about this engine, it is how it will snap pistons and rotor pieces. Landing gear or merge blocks can lock things in place to prevent this from being a problem, but it makes the ship much larger and bulky in some places.
I thought about posting a link to something I made back in 2014 from my steam workshop, but it is really old and there was not atmosphere or planets at the time when I made it. I also don't want to take away from Zer0 here from putting together a very informative video about something that I really enjoy building on this game.
Good work Zer0, I enjoyed this video.
My steam GT is DireStragerd. I also play this on xbox one. GT for that is Stragerd.
I don't mind talking to you about anything else or showing you what I did put together a long time ago. I don't mind loading up an old design and go over how I would recalibrate the gravity engine for flying straight or making it to where it can enter orbit on planets.
I prefer to propel my ships using the grace of clang, but gravity drives are fun too
No harm in both
2:34 TIP: The thrust of your Grav Drive should = number of mass blocks *x* weight of single mass block *x* Sum of all *g* (from all grav generators)
You can always compare your *Grav Drive's thrust* to *actual* thrusters (which give you their thrust if you set them on override) - *save yourself the time testing all this*
If I didn't test it, there wouldn't be a video
@@Zer0sLegion It would be a shorter video yes. Would that be bad? I'd still watch it :)
shouldn't you also multiply this with g=9.81, since g is just the constent of gravity on earth?
@@Ramog1000 9.81 would be more accurate
Artificial Mass Drives use to be vary common on ships before the Jump Drive came out back in mid 2015.
Though I still use them in my larger warships as an emergency get away.
I'd like to build a ship that uses one but I also don't want to spend all the time making sure the mass is balanced
@@Zer0sLegion You can put Gravity generators facing other directions and set them very low to reduce drift.
But it'll occur no matter what if you have a docked ship, an attached rotor; hinge etc, or if you have battle damage.
For me it's an emergency drive, as long as it's pushing me forward-ish it doesn't matter.
@@TheNoobYouHATE you could probably use gyro override to cancel it out as well.
@@TheNoobYouHATE I still use them in all my larger ships and relegate thrusters to control the drift. You do have to somewhat design your ship around them but it's very useful if you can map your movement keys to the toggle groups for different grav generator arrays. It's also good to limit the size of the gravity volume. I've seen some programmable blocks that activate different groups of grav gens for pitch, roll, and yaw as well. Grav drives also scale by volume so the larger your ship is the faster it can go.
@@inventor121 Ya know...
I once made an Ork ship that I named _Snatch Graba_
It had little Mass Drives scattered all around it.
It was a nightmare *with* thruster overrides to keep on target.
It most devastating weapon was triggering my friend's OCD. (Which is exactly what I wanted)
This is literally troll physics
2 years late but you could use it to make an electric ship capable of operating in both atmospheres and in space, simply by using the gravity drive to escape the planet
This is actually very helpful and insightful. I have a very massive dreadnought that has a very hard time breaking with it only losing a meter per second every second meaning stopping at 60 meters per second takes a whole minute. This seems very helpful in quickly bringing the ship to a stop or burning away a majority of the speed. I don’t really want to add more breaking thrust though as it’d kinda ruin the look of the ship.
Who needs braking thrust, I just hit astroids to slow down!
Good for unguided missile that punctures then detonate doing maximum internal damage
Humans are starting to understand gravity drives through a game before they even created the technology. What a time to be alive.
MORE VIDEOS! PLS
As Kylo Ren once said, MORE
Ahhh ye olde grav drive. Wanna learn a fun trick, put those mass blocks AROUND the spherical gravity generator and turn all the blocks off except the ones pointed in the direction you want to go.
3-dimentional grav thrust.
That's sounds awesome, I can't believe I didn't think of this
I've been playing SE since it became available on Steam, I've always used Grav-Thrusters, it's more energy efficient, faster acceleration, and can allow for extreme maneuverability.
There is a type of person this game is made for. I don't think I'm that person, but it is cool.
Seems super handy for fast maneuvers.
Attach the gravity gens to a rotor so you can "jump" up to avoid a railgun barrage. (Or fix center of mass drift)
Or use one front and another on the back to do the same move, invert one drive, and quickly rotate yourself.
You like big explosions and big speed? Wait until you find out about the Orion Drive.
Onion Drives made me cry
Great vid. Nice clear voice.
Imagine doing tutorials in a super old space building game. >XD
I highly recommend WhipLash141's Gravity Drive Manager (script on github).
Getting carried awaywith many grav-drive components can cause sim speed issues.
I like to think low sim speed is just the in-game slow motion camera to capture cinematic moments... 😉
Two notes from my extensive use of grav drives. If the grav drive isnt perfect with the center of mass just make sure you have enough gyroscopes to keep the ship straight while you accelerate. on very large ships especially with cargo weight changing getting it perfect is impossible. Just make sure your ship has enough gyro control to hold it straight. Second, the further you put the grav drive in FRONT of the center of mass the more it pulls the ship forward and the less its trying to spin you. I have one large ship where the grav drive is 5 blocks below the center of mass but its 38 blocks ahead of it so it is not hard to fight it with gyros and still very effective since you only need the grav drive for a few seconds to accelerate, then power it down and coast 🚀🚀
Good advice, I'll keep that in mind for next time
You are becoming much more active now aren't you.
Grav drives certainly work quite well as a primary drive supported by maneuvering thrusters, which can be quite useful on ships in the cruiser grade and above range seeking to have good acceleration and long distance travel capabilities separate from their jump drive, especially useful when the max speed is upped. They do, however, present some potential weaknesses regarding the systems ability to function effectively through damage, especially compared to a dispersed array of self sufficient thrusters, and the expense and typical necessity to place it in prime ship internals real estate where you might otherwise place fuel, power gen, or magazine space. All in all, it's a useful tool to remember, but one with tradeoffs to keep in mind.
Live long and prosper is my fave star wars quote.
A person of a culture I see
Ah yes, gravity drives. My favorite method of ship locomotion. My favorite use was sticking gravity gens inside hangers and fitting my drones or fighters in MP with mass blocks and maneuvering thrusters, we always had to have the learning curve of using dampeners off, but in return we could launch fighters fast when pirates came, have them at max speed immediately and when time to come back in we set up a gravity trap with a generator on a rotor, so the fighter returns never having to slow down and is stopped by the same generator to launch it; for added bonus, lining the launch bay with generators made launch and retrieval incredibly stable and you just raise the generator on the rotor to lock it in on all directions
If we really wanted to get complicated, set up generators top and bottom, and we could go without needing any kind of energy wastage in lifting the ship ready for launch... Eventually it got to the point we just had the launch bay be under a platform with a piston lift... It works like 60% of the time... If we kept the base ship stationary.
Was it over engineered? Yes... Was it and absolute pain to make in survival? Yes... did fighters end up incredibly flat and wide? Actually nope, we kinda made them like needles so we could fit them in a tube... Did we have to go through way too many copies in creative to get the timer blocks perfect? Oh yeah... Was it unbelievably fun to get that lowering into a launch tube effect? Hell yes! Did we ever fire a fighter from this catapult with a warhead just cause? Yup.
This should be named the Münchausen-Drive.
After all, the ship literally pulls itself forward, just like how Münchausen pulled himself out of a swamp 😂
New in this game, but +1200h!! this game is crazy!! but this gravity generator is abused, it benefits huge over- armed ships, with heavy armor and ionic vs small fragile block fighters, mounted with hydrogen tanks that explode and end up being useless!! too bad! illogical!! another point for me, 100m/s instead of 1000m/s! otherwise with 100 player and more life in the game, to confuse the players with, but it is clearly the best space simulation in survival mod, mechanical puzzle and design!! looking forward to seeing in the future, but a single parameter can screw everything up! afterward i prefer a first one which streamlines in the servers to add players, than graphic in a second!! a reset server would not be bad too, everyone on earth!! if the perfomance is bad why not put black holes to jump on all servers!! bring everyone together!! so many possibilities, he seems to be dying, it's really sad!! we need a new start, please take my money!! it's the best special survival battle royal in the world, for me
There’s actually an more effective alternative Drive to use, the Clang Drive.
It uses less energy and works perfectly no matter the Gravity and it’s only slightly bigger.
It needs a Piston that’s pushing a an Interior Pillar in the Underside of an Normal Door(just slightly), the Stronger The Piston pushed the Faster/Stronger the Ship/Rocket(even a Rover if your Crazy enough) will accelerate.
It even work in Small Grid with an Rotor pushing an 1x1 Wheel in an Door using the Offset function.
It has to be aligned with the Center of Mass like a Gravity Drive and the Underside of the Door indicates the direction of the Pushing Force.
"The gravity drive is the new best way to travel" and by new you mean almost as old as the game itself? You're years late to this party.
I'm just sharing the word, not everyone knows everything about the game
I love it... Used it to build missiles on my modded servers.
A heavy armored head with a seperated part loaded with one or multiple (depending on the version, Scarce Ressources is a pain when waging eternal war with 30+ ppl in surviva😅l) Warheads and gravity drive.
Enemy missile defense was mostly unable to bring them down (speed) and most capital ships and stations tend to use artificial gravitiy, so after the timed shutdown of the gravity generators it would just find it's target.
The heavy armor head punched a hole and after that the warheads set off... Hit rate for my beloved Mjolner Mk. IV (with 4-6 Warheads, for economic reasons) was slightly more than 30%, but I saw whole battleships ripped by a single hit.
Biggest advantage was still the speed though... If you're lucky, you could fire from 20km and still hit (not likely, but in theory absolutely possible). Working on some scripts and concepts for an even more advanced missile of doom
So yeah ive done this before
With 12k grav blocks I got an acceleration of 0 to mach 24.5 (8.5km/s) in 71 milliseconds
The most i've fit into a space like that was about 50k drives held together with only mass blocks, couldn't turn it on, instantly bricked my pc, you want 2 gravs for every 1 mass block
I downloaded once a Ship, several Years ago, who haad Gravity Engine. with my Thrusters and it realy had insane much Thrusters, i had like 1 minute to reach full speed. very big ship. almost couldent handle Atmosphere, with Gravity Engine it took 3 seconds to full speed ^^
Thats cool i will ad to my Space Game Gravity Drive.
I am making a Game like Space Engineers but it was gonna be more Focused on Fighting Aliens. Gravity Drive is Interesting next Tech Tier should be quantum gravity drive.
Then Latest Tier should be Mini Black Hole for Solar System Sized Ships.
I feel like I'm living through a Renaissance of people giving a damn about Space Engineers. Who would've thought there would be a video about litterally the oldest trick in the game in the year of our lord 2022?
OMG! Mount a warhead on the front and you have a perfect gravity torpedo! I'm gonna soooo use this tonight. :> Thank you! :>
I thought the green was stomping you because I didn't know you had the view backwards. I was like " damn there's a catch".
(all done with removed speed cap because it's cringe)
Damn, I remember how good it felt when my friend placed his cool ship and I made a ship that shoots grav drive torpedos and proceded to destroy him from 12 km of range.
At some point we progressed to moving gravity drive torpedos with huge gravity gen clusters for deflection, this progressed to making torpedoes that switch off the power on the grav gen.
Since the latter opened the world of Space engineers coding, we moved to seeker torpedoes in a crazy arms race
I wouldn't surprise if one day a guy build a ship with gravity drive as thruster and jump without jump drive but only use some sort of gravity drive mechanism and physic
On other uses, I do love making some gravity missiles just for the fun of it. Just the generator, a battery, the mass block and a warhead
I mean, you could build an upward facing grav drive and achieve neutral buoyancy on a planet. Then you can use thrusters or more grav gens to move horizontally.
Aside from the fact they don't work on planets, yeah.
@@Zer0sLegion There's a mod for that. And if it doesn't exist yet, someone will make one.
u need to use a clang drive for planets :)
Lol messed with this stuff 10 years ago! Welcome to the gravity club, too bad you missed out on the rock rail guns.
All hail Klang!
well, you could make a space pizza with Grav Drives and become a star wars Venetor class ship
No one seriously gonna address the Star Wars reference? No just me? Ok well, well done Zer0
Gravity drive + warhead = very poggers missile thingy
expensive
i use this in combination with Defense Shields to make what i call a "Battering Bubble."
i also use them if i am taking a lot of damage and i need to make sure i can ram a target to do some damage.
ive seen grav gens on stations and you just put 1 mass block on ships, this way you arent lugging all that weight around and once you get up to speed you dont need them anymore
I have an orbital base, when my pals on a planet
I can build an gravity canon to launch supplies to them by some cargo rods
this is a irl concept they are thinking could get faster than light speeds, negetive gravity in back positive in front to warp space time
"while spinning is a good trick" hahaha my guy is a star wars fan mby? bro i laughed so hard when you said it
okay first thing I think of when I hear gravity drive is the movie "Event Horizon"
These are technically actual thrusters cus if u put a ion thruster on a long stick it won’t spin….
And you can just hide them away behind meter thick walls somwhere in the ship
With the small ship mega mo pack you can have a small grid gravity generator
Hold on...could you use these for a hyper speed ballistic missile?
Now you're on your way to making a mass relay. If your lucky you can find old videos of ore manipulation with grav gens.
back in my day it was the ore drive as mass block and space balls were not in game back then
I could see this being useful for a super fast custom missile maybe?
why not use them as totally unexpected vector shifter method?
“While spinning is a good trick” 😂😂😂
I wonder if you would be able to make a self propelled nuke this way
So grav drive is a good go-fast button for your ships.
Neat
Use gravity engines as a way to quickly reposition in pvp 🤔
I….didn’t know about this. I have so many new ideas now
Finally warp Drives, my dreams have come true
i think another problem could arise with combat, if you get one side of your ship destroyed then it won’t be symmetrical. i think a setup of gravity things and ion thrusters where you use gravity to accelerate and ions to keep yourself going might help
bruh when they did the race i thought that he was givin striker a headstart
Wait until he finds out about clang drives
Who says I don't 😋
i feel like using this to make a torpedo to mount it on a dive bomber
Use the space ball. No power needed. You're welcome.
Now i can make pretty cheap and fast torpedos!
5:13 Thats the only reason I clicked on the video.
I suppose a lot depends on what your most constraining resource is. Large Ion Thrusters are only 15 PCU. 1 Aritifical Mass Block + 1 Gravity Generator is 210 PCU. Ion Thrusters also work in relatively low-gravity enviornments, like the moon, so there are definitely advantages and disadvantages to both.
Yeap, 100% in atmosphere thrusters are a better option.
I’m on a server with multi directional grav drives on our borg cubes 😂
Sounds like a great way to move a space station
How about building a cruiser or a battleship to see if the "symetricity" works with the design?
Used that a lot but it was laggy ASF back then
so love (for Zer0) has blinded you?
The first 10 seconds of the video is so relatable
The Star Wars references are strong with this one.
This is the bug turned into a feature...
And I still don't understand why they keep that in the game, this shouldn't be possible.
It's super fun and useful, but it just should not be possible.
I guess the devs though it was a fun unintended bug so they left it in as a feature.
You had me at Spinning is a neat trick.
Bro made a Frame Shift Drive
smh some people are only now discovering the secret of the G-drive in 2022. These bad boys have always been my favorite thing in the game.
The real problem with them is lag. The game needs to calculate volumes for every grav generator, and vectors for every mass block, so if you try to scale them up in any meaningful way, you'll hit a hard limit in terms of how much fun you and everyone else on the server will be having. There's a certain sweet spot in terms of ship size where these are really good though; I'd say the limit is about 16 generators in every direction. Smaller than that and it won't be so effective or fast, bigger than that and you won't be so comfortable on your potato computer. (I think the most lag-efficient plan is to have equal numbers of generators and mass blocks, but I'm not sure on that one.)
Also, if you want to control these things without looking like an idiot with 6 generator groups in your hotbar, use the TOG (The One Gravitydrive) script! It was originally posted to the steam workshop by DifferentLevelDan, but has been taken down and reuploaded a few times.
I currently have 3000 gravity gens on a grid and I'm not getting too much lag. I'd suggest that it's mass blocks that cause the lag as that calculations are caused by them. I'm using eight of those compared to the 3000 gravs.
@@Zer0sLegion Well that's super interesting. I'll have to try that out.
WAIT. GRAVITY DRIVE UNGUIDED MISSLES
sail boat ... no no no ... SPACE sail boat !!
These seem very good for guided missiles.
Could this not be used for a large grid kinetic missile?
It could yes. Remember, big explosions *and* big speed!
@@Zer0sLegion I tried making a gravity cannon, but using a ton of gravity generators on the ship and an artificial mass on the projectile, I mean it kinda worked okish... but nowhere near the speed you were flying at here... I never could get it to work as I wanted.
Never occurred to me to put the gravity generator on the projectile itself. I'ma have to try this out now :P
Grav drives are the best, after all, everything else leaves your craft with structural weakpoints better spent on thicker armor and more mass to spear the enemy with.
Ramming speed!
I've had the idea floating around for a while to use a sort of gyroscope to move the mass block in the direction I need to move and a second set in the nose or back to steer but I'm much to lazy to do that.
You might enjoy the next video in making then...
This may sound like a stupid question, but what speed mods would you recommend?
Depends on how fast you want to go, personally I prefer 1000m/s which I made my own mod for (but loads of those exits on the workshop). If you want to go as fast as possible, "speed" seems to be your best option.
My question is if you could use as a antigravity propussion of sort? Like scy fi Gravity lift for ships
I did this in the follow up video to this