EFF need to back down and accept that they are selling unacceptable idea to South Africa. South Africans are fed up. Malema encouraged foreigners to enter South Africa illegal.
I cannot understand how our Government allows all these Foreign Nationals into our country. When we do not enough resources for our own people e.g.water housing, Healthcare, education etc. Do they pay taxes? No do they contribute to the economy no they send their money home. Look at the degradation of our Suburbs it is so sad.
A debate like this is an incredible opportunity to stand out from other parties and the only party leader that bothered to turn up was Gayton McKenzie, speaks volumes.
I soo wish the eff can stop this African economy idea that should start in south Africa. On other countries I don't hear much people talk about this African economy. Countries put their citezens first. Why can't we put south Africans first in south Africa like what's there to debate if you are not legal then go home or go through processes so that you become legal. This does not needs a superior logic that they seem to think it's only them who have it. It's not the time for imaginary and unrealistic ideas. South Africans needs practical solutions
Gayton never speak only but he also be in action, you can't think about other kids future manipulating your own kids future!! We want well functional and operational borders!!
Trying to use police to protect others Africans is just a waste of time .many neighbouring countries don't even use boaber entry they use dust roads😅😅when foreigners meet police they are bribed 😅😅vote for action SA is better because their policy is better
Incorrect. The EFF weakness is always on immigration, their Manifesto is better than all Manifestos combined. You don't need to be a EFF Support to know that, you only need a SOBER brain and know how to READ to UNDERSTAND.
Are you sure that the unemployment rate has caused by foreigners a your analysis correct? It seems like the technicals analysis of Mckenzie is going wrong direction with the market analys his mindset well
As an EFF Supporter. I hoped that my party would not participate in this debate. I really want them to rule but they just lose the country whenever they speak on immigration. We need strong borders, i might not agree with Mr. McKenzie but we unfortunately do need a wall. I always get annoyed when CIC says that foreigners occupy jobs that SAns don't want because. i struggle to believe that uThandokazi and Mandla in the township don't want to work in a restaurant or any other businesses that are occupied by foreigners.
It's very simple, Vote for either Action SA or PA because they stand for real bread and butter issues. Malema is a millionaire through corrupt means while his followers are poor. He gets his millions through illegal cigarettes from neighbouring countries especially Zimbabwe. That is why he is protecting them. WAKE UP!!!!!
I think the EEF see the bigger picture, while South Africans citizens are focusing on the now… Tribalism thought out the African continent is our downfall.
You are the one smoking, we will never stop planning for the future just because we have a problem now, there is something called short term and long term strategies/vision.... EEF says when they take over government they will fix Eskom so that we never have loadshedding again (short term) and then fix it in such a way that it can feed the whole continent (long term) Don't have a mind of a chicken 🐓 that sees only what's in front of it because when you hit the wall that is put there to limit you then you will think it's end of the world
I think you are the one who is smoking Just because you have a problem now that doesn't mean you must not plan for the future, there is something called short term and long term strategies/planning/vision to guide you what actions you should take now because if you only plan for a short term just to solve a problem in front of you then you will always hit walls from time to time The EEF is saying when they take over government they will make sure they fix Eskom so much so that we never have loadshedding again in South Africa (short term) and on top of that they will expand it to generate electricity for the whole continent (long term) But because you have a chicken mentality you only see a problem in front of you and you are blind of the great opportunities beyond your small problem.....
@@Edwinmoshabe-yq9ue crime has been increasing in Europe ever since more african immigrants went there, in the US the most violent race are black Americans, look at Haiti being runned by gangs. We africans still need to fix our mentality before opening boarders or else africa will be a mess drugs will run rampage
@@user-dh3ly3vx8f there are no borders in Europe, even when they occupied Namibia they did not produce anything(European) The khoi in Botswana, SA, Namibia even in Angola are one thing...y separate them by installing borders? U make life difficult for Africans but easily for ur Masters. U must have a giraffe view not a chicken view. Imagine separating Tswana ppl of SA and Botswana, Free state and lesotho, swati's of Mpumalanga and swaziland, Tsonga's of Giyani and Moza's. Close borders for European ill hear u...
It's funny cause they don't even notice that our own graduates don't even have jobs. In many cases, it's easier to even go overseas to get a job than here.
People should Wake up NOT Vote for ANC Anymore they are Promissing all 30yrs meanwhile population suffering with starvation & living in bad situation Povert tin shelters shacks
I am a DA supporter, but listening to this debate they are far too soft on the immigration issue. ActionSA and the PA have seriously made me reconsider my vote.
Yet both combined (PA & ActionSA) won’t make a government because people are not sold on this hatred agenda amongst Africans. If they were that convincing, PA, ActionSA and all other illegal immigrants haters were gonna be government come May but nah. It’ll never happen.
@M1ke22 ❤ please share into detail why you say that. I love the fact that we as South Africans are at a point whereby we are very comfortable and well informed about our intra-political issues. ❤❤
And then both countries realised how crazy their actions where and that madness doesn't exist anymore between them. Of course, everyone visiting or living in another country should follow the laws of that country. I understand being up in arms against illegal immigration, but in SA there is often a dislike of ANY black foreigners, including the very legall and very skilled ones. A white or chinese foreign shop owner employing 5 South Africans who doesn't speak any of the SA languages (including English) is more welcome in SA than a Zimbabwean businessman with multiple companies employing 200 people and speaking more than 3 local lanuages
@@thabangtladi8057 because we can make money in SA by working hard. Despite all the hatred. You want us yo stop coming, simply put laws that say no black foreigners. As long as your laws allow black foreigners, they will.come, even if you the people hate them. Why not just come out in the open and make your xenophobia legal so the rest of Africa knows how yo relate with you?
They all talked the same way blame blame blame, and attacks on other parties non of these guys really spoke comprehensively and more centered on what they as parties would do, all we saw and heard is fingers and this is typically an African political landscape problem, no wonder people run away to places that seem better yet with its own problems, then again all you hear politicians continually perpetuating the game of that party did this, power is sweet but brains are expensive, no wonder they say the stomach is not the brain
@homonaledi640 You took the words right out of my mouth, that's all that DA has to say about almost every topic ANC ANC. They even run ads in tik tok blaming ANC for everything. It is a great way to hide your true image blame others for what are YOU already doing. Politics 101
The struggle of Africans is no longer about the British, French and other colonizers but instead EFF & Africans are ganging up against poor black SAcn, fighting us for our crumbs in our own country, forcing their stay in SA in the name of false one Africa.
The only one, so the problem is you got the Caucasians in there. There is your problem. I believe all the Caucasians got jobs, they hate blacks, don’t care about the real owners . They the Caucasians are cold Blooded Thieves who is probably part of the Caucasians NEW EUROPE PLOT to Recolonize& keep Africa POOR, and continue to pay PUPPETS!!! Pay attention Open your👀👀THINK! Open all boarders exchange, Barter, TRADE with one another LOVE and go forward to a United 54 COUNTRIES of AFRICA. BE WISE BE Smart UNIT AFRICA👀👀🤛🏾🤛🏾
@@sivuyile.msivuyile4727 we can trade with each other, support each other and love one another even if we are in our respective countries but i dont expect you desperate parasitic African failed nations to understand this coz you think SA is about your survival
But thats exactly what EFF has been saying. Industrialize our country, create jobs opportunities etc. Then proceed to influence one Africa concept with other African countries.
@@tandomanqina606that's not what they are saying at all😂. Pan africanism is a delusional, utopian ideal and will be the death of all african countries looking to thrive
@@gavinbinder4974 unfortunately some of them like those of the EFF are very strong but hate South Africans. Their strenght is our curse as opposed to blessing.
@@loveafrica9253 they are either delusional or playing with the minds of their followers. How do you fix the continent when you can't fix your small country?It like saying you can bring change to the entire country when you have never done anything in your community.
@@Qotha So South African doesn’t have natural resources? Who control those Natural resources?Tell me, have the citizens (mainly the blacks and colored) controlled those resources?
@@6lackjesus719 yall must be strategic voters , Action SA compared to PA is not big enough and they're the only 2 patriotic parties rn , the rest are self serving, so don't waste votes, voting for a smaller of the two , only gives bo ANC and EFF and DA an edge
To put it bluntly, if you aren't coming here to engage in business, create jobs for South Africans, provide skills that we legitimately need or as a tourist to spend money in South African businesses then you have no business coming here.
Pakistanies, Ethiopians and Somalians they bring their wives everyday and marries very weekend..every each household has more than 3 kids...i see problem in South Africa
♥️♥️♥️♥️ Please share the year and/or the full text that this quote was published from. I am really in love and interested in how us as SAns perceive Political language vs how a South African layman understands the context of the issues discussed within a political debate.
I don't know who to vote for, but I know im not voting for The EFF, Anc and DA.... South Africans are unemployed and you are telling us about your dream to unite Africa 😢😢
You don't understand what a united Africa would do. You don't understand the way the world works. The reason why America and Europe is so powerful is because they are united. Stop the tribalism crap that got Africa conquered
Because the moment we attained democracy not long after zim chased their farmers and the economy of zim crashed now they all are here in our country 20 million of them and they have infoltrated our space and taken all our general jobs so now its time we send them home so that our people can work and feed their children and economy can recover. Zim illegals pay no tax, they take their money made back home and give nothing back to South Africa, they sell illegal fake things making our people sick and selling drugs here to ourchildren which is why now more than ever we must send them back home.
We never even had a chance to re-establish ourselves, heal from apartheid & settle all of the sudden we had to compete with all 53 African countries that gained independency decades before SA and even enjoyed it without the invasion of others particularly black South Africans.
100 % agree with you as we can see its Only Violences unsafe to survive for to beably to enjoy they Freedom people hád spoken on Media platform with heartbreaking that is Now Worse then apartheid this saying something to World wide Lets hope for better future maybe New Leaders with better Quality Diplomatic Views
ANC is telling us about Rules/Laws that are not implemented. They should be going to the streets and making sure those laws and rules are being implemented…
Manyi is not addressing the problems presented by illegal immigration. He's only regurgitating EFF Election Manifesto. He's very cautious to not deviate from Malema's personal views on such a thorny issue.
The problem of the illegal immigration is the responsibility of the government, and again there is a difference between borderless and illegal immigrants.
I am a Zimbabwean. I personally think Gayton is practical in his approach to immigration. An EU like borderless Africa simply won't work. Zimbabwe is a failed state. There is a huge incentive for a Zimbabwean to move to S.A to look for work or seek healthcare. S.A simply doesn't have enough resources to cater for everyone. Zim uses smart ID cards. This means it's possible to implement passport free travel to other countries that use such tech like Botswana and Namibia. In Botswana travel by Zimbabweans there using IDs was rejected. This is not because the people of Botswana are bad people but simply because Botswana is currently struggling with the number of Zimbabweans moving there to seek work and healthcare.
Imagine they wanna push there own agenda They promise them money for this agenda now they wanna get rich with the expense of South Africans 😢😢and people believe them It's so funny cause the eagles couldn't even see the bigger picture when they bankrupt the BVS bank but yet they see bigger pictures with a entire country 😮
Isn’t it funny how the DA never tells us what their plans or position is on any matter either than criticising the ANC. We know every other political parties stand and view apart from the DA.
As a white female, I couldn’t agree more. Gayton has more of a plan than the DA does. It will be my first year voting as a youth member and Gayton has really been speaking for all of us in my opinion. The first party that actually cares about catering for everyone and not just himself. My opinion this man could really change communities. It saddens me that so many of these parties are going to get more voters than the PA and those other parties have been abusing and using their people for their own agenda and benefits.
Correct me if im wrong but we need a leader who can call someone out without caring about what consequences lay in store for him. And Gayton reminds me of trump.
what is mindful debate from our political parties. Let's get rid of corruption, create equal opportunities for people. What will be happening to our children who have matriculated and those who have graduated from university who are jobless. The retirement age for SA Citizens is at 65, why do we still have politicians in their positions that are 65 years of age and older including our president. One law should account for everybody not only citizens but politicians too. What about people who are ages 35-60 who are skilled and educated why can't we bring them back to the workforce to build the economy until retirement. It's difficult for over 35 years old unemployed people to find a suitable job. We need new brains and fresh and HIGHLY Educated politicians.
@@dennisflo9284 Do you even have a passport?? That's a problem with Xenophobes. They think the world is South Africa. How can you be surprised that Manyi traveled to France?? What nonsense question is that?
My take on this is, all foreigners must enter this country legal ,black, white ,India and everyone else ,our country should make sure that they strengthen their borders to reduce crime and unemployment period.
He said he doesn't care about understanding the reasons for immigration, some kinda expert huh. It's like a Dr who prescribes a medication without diagnosis. But oh well if that floats your boat have at it.
This guy does not know policy, judiciary , international law all he know he to kick out foreigners after that them what? What is his economic plan how will he create jobs he is just shouting kick out foreigners with out a plan. Mass deportation is not cheap where is the money coming from? Don't vote for a party just for 1 thing! It take much more to run a coutry
If there is war in South Africa, Zimbabwens and other African countries will come to SA and fetch their citizens and leave South Africans in South Africa. Mmmh that must sink in people's mind.
After South Africa has carried foreigners already right? When Zimbabweans chased Malawians did you say the same? These blackmails are crazy. Foreigners are already benefiting by being in South Africa and then youre telling us when in war Soutb Africans wont have a place to go. Further emphasising why we need to strengthen borders
Dr. Motsoaledi have demonstrated again his and his party's arrogance. They think they are above everyone. Even above the law. That why he make statements to his opposition on stage like " I'm glad someone at your own level have answered you. Therefor I don't need to answer you." And to the audience "Don't shout at me. You are much lower than me." They are above you. They don't care about you, but only about themselves. They will walk over you in arrogance and trample you into the ground. Just listen to what he has said. What the heart is full of, the mouth overflows.
During the last election Mckenzie said he will deport illegal aliens from a municipality which PA wins. How many illegal aliens has he deported from the karoo?
True brother these people are funded by jews to replace South Africans. No wonder EFF has been having white Jewish members. ANC has been having jewish members like Joe Slovo etc
@@mathewrichards7309DA is imperialism still at work behind the scenes in arrogance. There's an old saying they need to consider. You can fool all the people sometimes and you can fool some people all the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.
Great show thank you SABC. The ANC's arrogance is not surprising but even more disheartening as it shows they are in no mind of fixing their pathetic governance. All of the other parties actually want to do better. Let's please give any other party a chance. Also why do they disrespect the DA representative when the man trying to talk though, he is there just spitting facts and practical solutions that clearly have statistical research behind them? Is it because he is ....? (Yes) ;)
Gayton is practical, mangi is a dreamer, DA is the score keeper, Action SA is the middle man, ANC are the looters while sweet talking you... Gayton is making the most sense....
Do you have any idea how actually, practical deportation works? I don't think Gayton has a framework on how to go about collection foreigners. Is he gonna use a bus? A Truck? And after collecting every foreigner is he gonna take all of them "home" one by one?
@@buddahexcess It is illegal to be in a country while undocumented,therefor South Africans can make a Citizens arrest and Illegal foreigners are Mass Deported.Not to forget the deployent of SANDF and SAPS.
@nedor64 a party can't cure you from racism. That's a personal choice. But the services we pay for. The employment we seek. Growth of the economy. That is wat all parties should elaborate on.
Gayton and fundi are the only two talking sense. As for the young lady who says illegals are not taking jobs please tell that to the millions of youth sitting at home on drugs because they cannot even get basic jobs that foreigners are holding I would vote for Gayton definitely
South Africa needs a democratic party to rule South Africa isn't a haven for Zimbabweans or any other country citizens as our own people aren't working and suffering causing endless suffering and robbing our country of building its self to be prosperous country. Any company can send a South Africans to study and fill the shortfall needed
Mr Gaytoon Mckenzie's Patriot Alliance makes a lot of sense especially to ordinary South Africans on the street!!!!!
They should talk about how many are in the country illegally
EFF need to back down and accept that they are selling unacceptable idea to South Africa. South Africans are fed up. Malema encouraged foreigners to enter South Africa illegal.
South Africans first🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
I used to support the DA. But this year I'll be voting PA. They are clear on their stance of border security
I cannot understand how our Government allows all these Foreign Nationals into our country. When we do not enough resources for our own people e.g.water housing, Healthcare, education etc. Do they pay taxes? No do they contribute to the economy no they send their money home. Look at the degradation of our Suburbs it is so sad.
A debate like this is an incredible opportunity to stand out from other parties and the only party leader that bothered to turn up was Gayton McKenzie, speaks volumes.
Salute Gayton McKenzie salute
EFF is not getting any Vote by the look of things 😂😂😂
Chicken/eagle joke😂
You really must be delusional and misinformed😂
Shame. We will see
@@levikalombo1630 as usually , we always see them with their tales between their legs after elections , Mr 8%😂😂😂
I soo wish the eff can stop this African economy idea that should start in south Africa. On other countries I don't hear much people talk about this African economy. Countries put their citezens first. Why can't we put south Africans first in south Africa like what's there to debate if you are not legal then go home or go through processes so that you become legal. This does not needs a superior logic that they seem to think it's only them who have it. It's not the time for imaginary and unrealistic ideas. South Africans needs practical solutions
Gayton never speak only but he also be in action, you can't think about other kids future manipulating your own kids future!! We want well functional and operational borders!!
Trying to use police to protect others Africans is just a waste of time .many neighbouring countries don't even use boaber entry they use dust roads😅😅when foreigners meet police they are bribed 😅😅vote for action SA is better because their policy is better
Eff want to remove borders but that time they have huge walls around they house
Those two aren't comparable.
@@gillbersth6853 what's the difference 🙄 are they not both borders?!
Exactly. Thing is most of them dont share space with foreigners so they are not affected
@@gillbersth6853 no difference, both are barriers
You agent @@gillbersth6853
EFF manifesto Getting DESTROYED😂😂😂. Cigarettes smuggling is funding their party!
You really have a low IQ😂
Incorrect. The EFF weakness is always on immigration, their Manifesto is better than all Manifestos combined. You don't need to be a EFF Support to know that, you only need a SOBER brain and know how to READ to UNDERSTAND.
Theh always fall fave first in every debate.
Theh always fall fave first in every debate.
EFF wants to make it easy for Mazzoti to smuggle cigarettes
It's confirmed!!, South African's National IQ test will be written on 29 May.
The results already came back. They got 30%😂
They've been a record low for 30 years now.
Including yourselves
Bravo idea IQ test agree with you Very much top 👍👍
Yes MR Mckenzie they must go makwara kwara
ANC failed us we must just admit😂😂😂 and give other party a chance🤞🤞
Failed how?
@@mashuduthidiela9643you must be joking.
@@User47HD I think they’ve done okay in some areas and done poorly in other areas. I’m asking what areas, specifically, they have failed.
@@mashuduthidiela9643 to get rid of corruption and this nonsense of illegal immigrants.
ANC has failed us no jobs even graduates are not working abantwana abasazuba nomdlandla okufunda ngenxa yemsebenzi engekho
Mckenzie is correct. We have the worst unemployment rate in the world but we have millions of illegal people working in SA. This is madness. Abahambe.
Salute pa
Agree 💯
PA❤
You need help
Are you sure that the unemployment rate has caused by foreigners a your analysis correct? It seems like the technicals analysis of Mckenzie is going wrong direction with the market analys his mindset well
As an EFF Supporter. I hoped that my party would not participate in this debate. I really want them to rule but they just lose the country whenever they speak on immigration. We need strong borders, i might not agree with Mr. McKenzie but we unfortunately do need a wall. I always get annoyed when CIC says that foreigners occupy jobs that SAns don't want because. i struggle to believe that uThandokazi and Mandla in the township don't want to work in a restaurant or any other businesses that are occupied by foreigners.
It's very simple, Vote for either Action SA or PA because they stand for real bread and butter issues. Malema is a millionaire through corrupt means while his followers are poor. He gets his millions through illegal cigarettes from neighbouring countries especially Zimbabwe. That is why he is protecting them. WAKE UP!!!!!
You're one of the most level-headed eff supporters. The rest just scream and shift blame.
I think the EEF see the bigger picture, while South Africans citizens are focusing on the now… Tribalism thought out the African continent is our downfall.
Eff remains only party to save south africa...others are hypocrites
my brother eff will cause chaos in this country with their immigration laws
If Eskom is failing now, how will it cater for the whole of Africa? What is EFF smoking
😂😂😂😂
Like seriously, EFF have a problem 😅😂
You are the one smoking, we will never stop planning for the future just because we have a problem now, there is something called short term and long term strategies/vision....
EEF says when they take over government they will fix Eskom so that we never have loadshedding again (short term) and then fix it in such a way that it can feed the whole continent (long term)
Don't have a mind of a chicken 🐓 that sees only what's in front of it because when you hit the wall that is put there to limit you then you will think it's end of the world
I think you are the one who is smoking
Just because you have a problem now that doesn't mean you must not plan for the future, there is something called short term and long term strategies/planning/vision to guide you what actions you should take now because if you only plan for a short term just to solve a problem in front of you then you will always hit walls from time to time
The EEF is saying when they take over government they will make sure they fix Eskom so much so that we never have loadshedding again in South Africa (short term) and on top of that they will expand it to generate electricity for the whole continent (long term)
But because you have a chicken mentality you only see a problem in front of you and you are blind of the great opportunities beyond your small problem.....
Maybe they do what they did to VBS😂😂😂😂
Abahambé,PA,my Pres,say it like it is
They must go
AFRICA CANNOT UNITE AT THE EXPENSE OF ORDINARY POOR SOUTH AFRICANS NEVER!!!!
Bayanya, they must go unite in Nigeria and leave us alone.
Gina go home to America,we r in Africa we r african
@@collinphahlane7527, show respect we r not in Facebook
@@peterkgobe3407 I don’t owe anything Chief.
Unity doesn't mean one takes someone else's job. It's about legal free movement of people. One passport, no Visa.
I'm from Namibia and I'm explicitly advising borders should be closed across Africa. Or else a mess will erupt before our eyes,
how so sisters?
@@Edwinmoshabe-yq9ue crime has been increasing in Europe ever since more african immigrants went there, in the US the most violent race are black Americans, look at Haiti being runned by gangs. We africans still need to fix our mentality before opening boarders or else africa will be a mess drugs will run rampage
Thank you
Colonial clerk.
Namibia has/will never endorse such madness of closing borders!
@@user-dh3ly3vx8f there are no borders in Europe, even when they occupied Namibia they did not produce anything(European) The khoi in Botswana, SA, Namibia even in Angola are one thing...y separate them by installing borders? U make life difficult for Africans but easily for ur Masters. U must have a giraffe view not a chicken view. Imagine separating Tswana ppl of SA and Botswana, Free state and lesotho, swati's of Mpumalanga and swaziland, Tsonga's of Giyani and Moza's. Close borders for European ill hear u...
I stopped voting for the EFF long time ago when Malema said they must find creative ways to enter the country... My vote go to PA...
So you're just wasting a vote. Congratulations, your ancestors must be proud. Wow.
McKenzie PA no1 👍🏽🔥🔥🔥
This is a joke right?? The ANC talking about attracting skilled workers when there's nearly 33% unemployment!
Exactly. Theres millions of skilled workers right here at home who don’t have a job thanks to what the ANC has done to the economy
It's funny cause they don't even notice that our own graduates don't even have jobs. In many cases, it's easier to even go overseas to get a job than here.
People should Wake up NOT Vote for ANC Anymore they are Promissing all 30yrs meanwhile population suffering with starvation & living in bad situation Povert tin shelters shacks
Those 33% could've been the skilled workers. But failed a life
@@ElectrostatiCrow most of them have degrees in Bcomm
I am a DA supporter, but listening to this debate they are far too soft on the immigration issue. ActionSA and the PA have seriously made me reconsider my vote.
I'm with you there
Yet both combined (PA & ActionSA) won’t make a government because people are not sold on this hatred agenda amongst Africans.
If they were that convincing, PA, ActionSA and all other illegal immigrants haters were gonna be government come May but nah. It’ll never happen.
Me too
@@rethabilemeletse8873 they are benefiting from cheap labour at the expense of SA citizens
@M1ke22 ❤ please share into detail why you say that. I love the fact that we as South Africans are at a point whereby we are very comfortable and well informed about our intra-political issues. ❤❤
Definitely voting for PA
Me too...
Gayton is a monster magnet he came prepared 😂😂
DA is mad, Nigeria under President Shehu Shagari in 1983, deported 2 million Ghanians.
Yes, it’s ridiculous that it would take 20 years
And the Ghanaian government started it in 1969 chasing Nigerians saying thy are stealing their jobs
And then both countries realised how crazy their actions where and that madness doesn't exist anymore between them. Of course, everyone visiting or living in another country should follow the laws of that country. I understand being up in arms against illegal immigration, but in SA there is often a dislike of ANY black foreigners, including the very legall and very skilled ones. A white or chinese foreign shop owner employing 5 South Africans who doesn't speak any of the SA languages (including English) is more welcome in SA than a Zimbabwean businessman with multiple companies employing 200 people and speaking more than 3 local lanuages
@@munhumutema8970 yes is true so why keep on forcing yourselves on us here in SA? Your problem is that you listen Julius Malema too much
@@thabangtladi8057 because we can make money in SA by working hard. Despite all the hatred. You want us yo stop coming, simply put laws that say no black foreigners. As long as your laws allow black foreigners, they will.come, even if you the people hate them. Why not just come out in the open and make your xenophobia legal so the rest of Africa knows how yo relate with you?
DA opens by talking about ANC. Seems like DA doesn't have a view of its own, independent of the ANC.
Always criticizing other parties but yes, it is the ANC';s falult
They all talked the same way blame blame blame, and attacks on other parties non of these guys really spoke comprehensively and more centered on what they as parties would do, all we saw and heard is fingers and this is typically an African political landscape problem, no wonder people run away to places that seem better yet with its own problems, then again all you hear politicians continually perpetuating the game of that party did this, power is sweet but brains are expensive, no wonder they say the stomach is not the brain
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They don't.
@homonaledi640 You took the words right out of my mouth, that's all that DA has to say about almost every topic ANC ANC. They even run ads in tik tok blaming ANC for everything. It is a great way to hide your true image blame others for what are YOU already doing. Politics 101
A countries first priority should be security for all its citizens
Only one person that stands for the citizens of SA, salute Gayton Mckenzie.. If south africans can just give you a chance, a big change wil come 💚💚
Eff for president
South Africa is the only country in Africa that is having this debate . So RSA is the only country in Africa that must accept illegal immigrants 😢😢😢
Not illegal ones.
The struggle of Africans is no longer about the British, French and other colonizers but instead EFF & Africans are ganging up against poor black SAcn, fighting us for our crumbs in our own country, forcing their stay in SA in the name of false one Africa.
Lies
The only one, so the problem is you got the Caucasians in there.
There is your problem.
I believe all the Caucasians got jobs, they hate blacks, don’t care about the real owners .
They the Caucasians are cold Blooded Thieves who is probably part of the Caucasians NEW EUROPE PLOT to Recolonize& keep Africa POOR, and continue to pay PUPPETS!!!
Pay attention Open your👀👀THINK! Open all boarders exchange, Barter, TRADE with one another LOVE and go forward to a United 54 COUNTRIES of AFRICA. BE WISE BE Smart UNIT AFRICA👀👀🤛🏾🤛🏾
Because everyone wants to come here!
Abahambe viva Gayton PA and Action SA
Politicians will tell u exactly wat u want to hear
PA tells it as it is... Salute from a South African Patriot. Mr McKenzie you have my vote²
Well said Mr Gayton Mc Kenzie
30 years of lawlessness. ANC failed. All we asking is a functional country where law is upheld and you have failed dismally.
PA VIVA
DA's opening statement is to speak on the ANC's failure instead of what they will do (given 1 min for an opening statement) 🤦♂
Mr McKenzie touched the masses hearts
“This eagle next to me must fly to Zimbabwe” Fearless😂😂😂😂
Classic 😂😂😂😂
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But Mckenzie is doing business in Africa he is a hepocrite
@@sivuyile.msivuyile4727 we can trade with each other, support each other and love one another even if we are in our respective countries but i dont expect you desperate parasitic African failed nations to understand this coz you think SA is about your survival
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Let’s get our houses in order first. First the country and then the continent. Example Is Niger 🇳🇪
But thats exactly what EFF has been saying. Industrialize our country, create jobs opportunities etc. Then proceed to influence one Africa concept with other African countries.
@@tandomanqina606industrialize how, when we are friends with china that wants to dumb its goods in SA?
Niger is among the top 5 least developed nations in the world
Yes, Niger is standing up to Imperialism. ZA needs to dump the imperialist UN agenda. #LiberateSA
@@tandomanqina606that's not what they are saying at all😂. Pan africanism is a delusional, utopian ideal and will be the death of all african countries looking to thrive
SABC is raising the bar lately, we proud of you, it's not nice to see our government corporations being outclassed by private firms.
Gayton you will only rescue this country
Vote PA 🗳 29 May
I wish we can have politicians that loves South Africa with all their souls... 😔
Yes, I do understand. But, we should be grateful for the new strong leaders coming through
@@gavinbinder4974 unfortunately some of them like those of the EFF are very strong but hate South Africans. Their strenght is our curse as opposed to blessing.
I think that EFF people are deluded. We have to be strong ourselves, and show a different path to true freedom
@@loveafrica9253 they are either delusional or playing with the minds of their followers. How do you fix the continent when you can't fix your small country?It like saying you can bring change to the entire country when you have never done anything in your community.
@@Qotha So South African doesn’t have natural resources? Who control those Natural resources?Tell me, have the citizens (mainly the blacks and colored) controlled those resources?
Thank you SABC for this debate, we need more of these.
Crucial for first time voters! I really don't know who I'll vote for.
@@dikeledimothiba65 Vote ActionSA 💚. I'm also a 1st time voter. I'll give it to them
And we need them with all the new parties - the big guns all suck up our taxed and change nothing!
@@6lackjesus719 yall must be strategic voters , Action SA compared to PA is not big enough and they're the only 2 patriotic parties rn , the rest are self serving, so don't waste votes, voting for a smaller of the two , only gives bo ANC and EFF and DA an edge
Would love to see this kind of debate but with all the party leaders
To put it bluntly, if you aren't coming here to engage in business, create jobs for South Africans, provide skills that we legitimately need or as a tourist to spend money in South African businesses then you have no business coming here.
No debate. We require respect and adhere to our immigration policies.
Pakistanies, Ethiopians and somalians most are asylum seekers here but why is only men where is children and women
I AGREE WITH YOU THEY DON'T COME WITH THEIR WIFE
Which war do you see in india or pakistan....you keep making excuses for non black people....while hating black africans...
@@shanaazcloete8531 does people who seeks of asylum run only from war
Pakistanies, Ethiopians and Somalians they bring their wives everyday and marries very weekend..every each household has more than 3 kids...i see problem in South Africa
That is corruption on its own , and ANC is responsible.
"Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind."
George Orwell
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♥️♥️♥️♥️ Please share the year and/or the full text that this quote was published from. I am really in love and interested in how us as SAns perceive Political language vs how a South African layman understands the context of the issues discussed within a political debate.
I like this quote, because I have discovered that as well 😂😂😂
@@siphiwebooi7617 Politics and the English Language
Essay by George Orwell
1946
Politics created by Devil ,this is why Politics can't stand it self without using lies
Gayton is my last hope
Gayton McKenzie
I don't know who to vote for, but I know im not voting for The EFF, Anc and DA.... South Africans are unemployed and you are telling us about your dream to unite Africa 😢😢
FF+ then🎉
You don't understand what a united Africa would do. You don't understand the way the world works. The reason why America and Europe is so powerful is because they are united. Stop the tribalism crap that got Africa conquered
Look for Forum 4 Service Delivery.. Get more about it oh check my interviews. Nhongo Solo
We were never ready period. South Africans never had an opportunity to enjoy their new-found independence and properly define themselves as a nation.
Because the moment we attained democracy not long after zim chased their farmers and the economy of zim crashed now they all are here in our country 20 million of them and they have infoltrated our space and taken all our general jobs so now its time we send them home so that our people can work and feed their children and economy can recover. Zim illegals pay no tax, they take their money made back home and give nothing back to South Africa, they sell illegal fake things making our people sick and selling drugs here to ourchildren which is why now more than ever we must send them back home.
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We never even had a chance to re-establish ourselves, heal from apartheid & settle all of the sudden we had to compete with all 53 African countries that gained independency decades before SA and even enjoyed it without the invasion of others particularly black South Africans.
Those 53 countries aren't really independent
100 % agree with you as we can see its Only Violences unsafe to survive for to beably to enjoy they Freedom people hád spoken on Media platform with heartbreaking that is Now Worse then apartheid this saying something to World wide Lets hope for better future maybe New Leaders with better Quality Diplomatic Views
The eagle does not have practical answers😭😭
The eagle is only flying above to see better how to prey.
ANC is telling us about Rules/Laws that are not implemented. They should be going to the streets and making sure those laws and rules are being implemented…
Connecting weak countries will create a weaker Africa. Sort out every African country first and then start dreaming.
Im really proud of gayton that guy came prepared
PA won my vote south Africans first
"This arrogance will finish on the 29th of Maykenzie"- Gayton. 😂😂😂
u mad eff foreigner party welkom to suid afrika nja yami
What are arrogance, you want to do as you like in south Africa, and talk nonsense, forsek
Gyton is making sense and Eff is directionless and useless
Manyi is not addressing the problems presented by illegal immigration. He's only regurgitating EFF Election Manifesto. He's very cautious to not deviate from Malema's personal views on such a thorny issue.
You really have a low IQ😂
The problem of the illegal immigration is the responsibility of the government, and again there is a difference between borderless and illegal immigrants.
@@gillbersth6853 In borderless society, nobody is illegal. 😂😂😂
@farzana6676 Maybe in US. Here there's no border between SA and Zimbabwe but we have illegal Zimbabweans same between SA and Lesotho etc.
ANC is only getting a plan of sorts together now that we already have 20 to 30 million illegals in SA - so what now?.
EFF and DA are either unprepared of need better representatives
What did the DA say that is so unprepared? Stop being racist and I'm not even voting DA
I am a Zimbabwean. I personally think Gayton is practical in his approach to immigration. An EU like borderless Africa simply won't work. Zimbabwe is a failed state. There is a huge incentive for a Zimbabwean to move to S.A to look for work or seek healthcare. S.A simply doesn't have enough resources to cater for everyone. Zim uses smart ID cards. This means it's possible to implement passport free travel to other countries that use such tech like Botswana and Namibia. In Botswana travel by Zimbabweans there using IDs was rejected. This is not because the people of Botswana are bad people but simply because Botswana is currently struggling with the number of Zimbabweans moving there to seek work and healthcare.
BMA mandate is guard that no one comes illegally into SA, Zim passport prices is none of SA business.
Exactly
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But at the end it affects all of us we like or not
But at the end it affects all of us we like or not
@@monareng1791 Them not having money has absolutely nothing to do with us. They must go back to Zim
We struggle by Zama Zamas right now from Lesotho but somebody say We must open gates for doing nobakanjani in our own resources
Imagine they wanna push there own agenda
They promise them money for this agenda now they wanna get rich with the expense of South Africans 😢😢and people believe them
It's so funny cause the eagles couldn't even see the bigger picture when they bankrupt the BVS bank but yet they see bigger pictures with a entire country 😮
VBS CORRECTION
Jimmy Manyi has NO idea of what is done with minerals, neither does Julius.
White pipo are ones taking your minerals not black pipo🤣🤣🤣
White pipo are ones taking your minerals not black pipo🤣🤣🤣
Gayton is our man.
I will vote for PA not EFF anymore as SAns
Thats a waste vote that will not add value.
Thank for loving our country and protecting it for the sake of our children's future. This is Patriotic and be unapologetic about it ❤.
I highly salute you my brother for your stands
Isn’t it funny how the DA never tells us what their plans or position is on any matter either than criticising the ANC. We know every other political parties stand and view apart from the DA.
It's obvious that DA supports illegal immigration because their funders want to continue exploiting illegal foreigners.
They don't want to lose their privilege of maximizing their profits by exploiting the illegal immigrants
As a white female, I couldn’t agree more. Gayton has more of a plan than the DA does. It will be my first year voting as a youth member and Gayton has really been speaking for all of us in my opinion. The first party that actually cares about catering for everyone and not just himself. My opinion this man could really change communities. It saddens me that so many of these parties are going to get more voters than the PA and those other parties have been abusing and using their people for their own agenda and benefits.
Correct me if im wrong but we need a leader who can call someone out without caring about what consequences lay in store for him. And Gayton reminds me of trump.
The guys who wear those sorry excuse of a pathetic shirt of eff are doomed for life 😵💫😹
Ohh Gayton ..my G. Your intro was full of bullets and bombs.
what is mindful debate from our political parties. Let's get rid of corruption, create equal opportunities for people. What will be happening to our children who have matriculated and those who have graduated from university who are jobless. The retirement age for SA Citizens is at 65, why do we still have politicians in their positions that are 65 years of age and older including our president. One law should account for everybody not only citizens but politicians too. What about people who are ages 35-60 who are skilled and educated why can't we bring them back to the workforce to build the economy until retirement. It's difficult for over 35 years old unemployed people to find a suitable job. We need new brains and fresh and HIGHLY Educated politicians.
How did anti-Imperialist Manyi find himself all the way in France? Does the anti-Imperialist EFF get its ideas from Europe?
We are well traveled chief. You think we are a regional party like Dudula??
@@MrLechesa Salute Revoguccionary
@@dennisflo9284 Do you even have a passport?? That's a problem with Xenophobes. They think the world is South Africa.
How can you be surprised that Manyi traveled to France?? What nonsense question is that?
@@MrLechesa But you are using a white man mode of transport to travel whilst hating a white man 😂😂😂
My take on this is, all foreigners must enter this country legal ,black, white ,India and everyone else ,our country should make sure that they strengthen their borders to reduce crime and unemployment period.
The problem is our border officers are corrupt,l have witnessed that.
No way! South Africans do not have houses and jobs...we are already suffocating!!!
AGREE with you Very much your suggestion make sense ideale to have Controle entering Country
@@nickyngwana AGREE with you Very much Borders Offices they up to Grab money that is at
Welele EFF, where do you guys get this guy😂😂😂😂
I pay R1500 for customs every time yet immigrants don’t even pay a cent… please tell me how that works
You must pay to get the immigrants here.
@@PietM749 most probably, funding a f@cked system, thats why i support local businesses now.
Whatever agreements was signed between ANC n APARTHEID engines is really catching up with us...
results are showing
ANC sold other African countries and now it's coming back to them
Mandela switched off the electric fence
@@ToxxicMafia what is the use of electric fence while loadsheding is high
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McKenzie is wiping the floor with them 😅 on immigration. His way more of an expert in this issue
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He said he doesn't care about understanding the reasons for immigration, some kinda expert huh. It's like a Dr who prescribes a medication without diagnosis. But oh well if that floats your boat have at it.
It's illegal immigration that he has a problem with
I dont care either. Get these illegal ppl outa here. Simple. Deport the whole lot
This guy does not know policy, judiciary , international law all he know he to kick out foreigners after that them what? What is his economic plan how will he create jobs he is just shouting kick out foreigners with out a plan. Mass deportation is not cheap where is the money coming from? Don't vote for a party just for 1 thing! It take much more to run a coutry
Yes gayton let them go
Go and look how many children are turning up missing in the eastern cape
If there is war in South Africa, Zimbabwens and other African countries will come to SA and fetch their citizens and leave South Africans in South Africa. Mmmh that must sink in people's mind.
After South Africa has carried foreigners already right?
When Zimbabweans chased Malawians did you say the same?
These blackmails are crazy.
Foreigners are already benefiting by being in South Africa and then youre telling us when in war Soutb Africans wont have a place to go. Further emphasising why we need to strengthen borders
@@Arthwell1 have you watched the video, I am courting what Gay Mackenzie said , if you listen to the whole video you will understand.
There was war for 400 years (aparthied) and SAns came through alone. They don't need them now
@@Arthwell1Zimbabwe has the largest population of Malawians outside of Malawi what are you talking about
Gayton woke many of us in that true sense statement. I was touched by it profoundly.
Hope I never hear the eagle/chicken comparison again in my life. Manye is a joke.
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It's a sad joke😮😢
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😂😂😂😂should we cry or shud we 😂 at these clowns...
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i applaud gayton mckenzie for his powerful stance on immigration he has my vote
Dr. Motsoaledi have demonstrated again his and his party's arrogance. They think they are above everyone. Even above the law. That why he make statements to his opposition on stage like " I'm glad someone at your own level have answered you. Therefor I don't need to answer you." And to the audience "Don't shout at me. You are much lower than me."
They are above you. They don't care about you, but only about themselves. They will walk over you in arrogance and trample you into the ground. Just listen to what he has said. What the heart is full of, the mouth overflows.
That's patriotism Gayton you are the only one who will rescue this country
For sure we are together
Lets go ppl. PA
He will be quiet when on position 😂😂😂😂😂
@@tapiwamurenjekwa9685exactly
During the last election Mckenzie said he will deport illegal aliens from a municipality which PA wins. How many illegal aliens has he deported from the karoo?
So many reasons not to vote ANC,EFF and DA
True brother these people are funded by jews to replace South Africans. No wonder EFF has been having white Jewish members. ANC has been having jewish members like Joe Slovo etc
Who to vote for then? FF+?
They're the only party that is up to European standards, when it comes to governing.
What have DA done wrong don't vote ANC EFF PA Mk
@@mathewrichards7309 spot on.
@@mathewrichards7309DA is imperialism still at work behind the scenes in arrogance. There's an old saying they need to consider.
You can fool all the people sometimes and you can fool some people all the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.
This show me there is no Party that can save South Africa
Great show thank you SABC. The ANC's arrogance is not surprising but even more disheartening as it shows they are in no mind of fixing their pathetic governance. All of the other parties actually want to do better. Let's please give any other party a chance. Also why do they disrespect the DA representative when the man trying to talk though, he is there just spitting facts and practical solutions that clearly have statistical research behind them? Is it because he is ....? (Yes) ;)
Gayton is practical, mangi is a dreamer, DA is the score keeper, Action SA is the middle man, ANC are the looters while sweet talking you... Gayton is making the most sense....
Do you have any idea how actually, practical deportation works? I don't think Gayton has a framework on how to go about collection foreigners. Is he gonna use a bus? A Truck? And after collecting every foreigner is he gonna take all of them "home" one by one?
@@buddahexcessit don't matter we have to secure our boarders first then slowly deport.
@@buddahexcess It is illegal to be in a country while undocumented,therefor South Africans can make a Citizens arrest and Illegal foreigners are Mass Deported.Not to forget the deployent of SANDF and SAPS.
@@buddahexcessyes exactly, that's how deportation works. No papers, go home, get papers and come back legally
Well said 👏👏👌😇
Why does the DA always attack other parties instead of marketing what they are doing and what they are going to do? Worried DA supporter.
They're predominantly white so for them black parties have no solution
This speaker of theirs had about as much fire as a wet fart.
The more reason for you to move away from them
Because they dont have a solid plan to rescue SA from poverty, unemployment, racism, majoritarianism, etc.
@nedor64 a party can't cure you from racism. That's a personal choice. But the services we pay for. The employment we seek. Growth of the economy. That is wat all parties should elaborate on.
“Don’t build a house, before roofing it” so you must roof it before you build it? 😮
Lol 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Who is employing those foreigners? Isn't it South Africans?
it doesnt matter, we just want them out of our country
Yes undocumented foreigners are cheap labor and the cost of living is high already
Gayton and fundi are the only two talking sense. As for the young lady who says illegals are not taking jobs please tell that to the millions of youth sitting at home on drugs because they cannot even get basic jobs that foreigners are holding
I would vote for Gayton definitely
Fosho, after this discussion EFF and DA lost a lot voters.
True especially the ones who can't do their own research about the party to vote for
@@nkosingiphiledlamini5278😂😂😂😂 you are wise
Yes, including ANC
WE pay R180 here in Namibia for a passport
PA just earned my vote
South Africa needs a democratic party to rule South Africa isn't a haven for Zimbabweans or any other country citizens as our own people aren't working and suffering causing endless suffering and robbing our country of building its self to be prosperous country. Any company can send a South Africans to study and fill the shortfall needed
If you were a Zimbabwean, would you stay in those conditions?
@@princekhumalo7737 yes we are staying in our bad conditions as South Africans
Might not vote for him but i respect and give props to the Minister.
He's smart ne
He held it down for real. Not voting for him either
And we South Africans pays lot of Money at SARS.But foreigners dnt
McKenzie is the man!