Sampling is indeed an infinite art form. The ability to cut pieces of songs, movies, etc and create a new interpretation is reinventing the wheel to roll in a different way.
frl i dont respect when producers sample a loop i respect the puzzle builders sampling is the hardest level to producing puzzle sampling not loop sampling
@rockstarmotives7989 Sampling loops, chopping loops, however the flow leads is what works. DJs used to spin one part back and forth with scratching and pausing so if the loop is manipulated similarly, it works in my books.
Speaking from a MPC vet turned musician, sampling like 9th and Dilla is hard and a true artform. But for those taking a famous jingle and putting an 808 to it (majority of producers) this is not hard
Correction... GOOD sampling is hard. A lot of "producers" will just take a piece of a song, change the tempo and maybe the octave, throw some drums over it and call it a sample. Technically it is but to make it your own as 9th Wonder eluded to takes much more talent and skill.
J Dilla did what you described maaaaany times. Back then digging was part of the art. Or why do you think nobody but J Dilla sampled Alice Cooper's "Shoe Salesman"?
i don’t really see that as bad thing. not ever beat has to be a little brother or they reminisce o ver you. like come clean by jeru is just 1 looping shelly manne sample with drums on top and that song is HEAT. some times less is more but it’s all love man this pretty interesting topic for hip hop fans to discuss. i feel like both sides of the “argument” have valid points
@@evangilmore3964 Right. Pretty much everybody in the comments have been making valid points. I like to have discussions like this. My Producer Vs Beatmaker video is another one like that.
just like any musician amateurs can play decent or mediocre melody, but to do what real pros do? it requires more effort, practicing, skills and talent to do it.
9th is a legend at what he does. It can be difficult sometimes depending on what you’re sampling. Sometimes certain chops won’t fit no matter how you pitch or chop etc. Other times loops can fit perfectly with minimal effort. Some people criticise sampling etc but it isn’t always easy otherwise everyone with a sampler or daw could be a millionaire off their beats. The best part of sampling to me is discovering the artist and associated artist that your sampling. Discovering what’s out there, while paying homage to the artist.
Yeah and you must do it just for fun, and not money lol...Sample producers don't make no $$$ - clearing them samples eat all your profit. But for the ART? Sample producers can often be more talented than actual muscian compositions. Sampling though lets be real, it's easier to sample some Jb's Drums - vs learning how to play your own percussion that you compose and arrange. Being intricate is one thing
@@JimBrownski it’s easier but it’s still just as creative. Especially when someone can take a song and make it sound completely different. That’s an art form. Some of them can mix like 5 songs and chop it to sound like it’s a loop when it’s not.
The first layout you make from a sample is usually easy and fun. Turning it into a song becomes work. Are you willing to continue to clean, edit, and rearrange and maybe even scrap it and try a brand new idea? Even a lot of my mentors get complacent once they find a nice 8 bar loop
Sampling is producing from a DJ’s point of view. Picking a song and deciding which part you’re going to use knowing it will work is an overlooked skill. And I am not even talking about doing crazy flips, heavily altering sounds and textures, or mixing in other samples from other genres and time periods. Even the simply looped very recognizable samples. It always remind me of people criticizing a Mondriaan or Pollock painting when they say: ‘so simple,I could have made that as well’. ‘Yeah, but point is, you weren’t that creative to decide to make that’.
definitely! i’ve been playing piano for 20 years now with a background as a live musician, im best at making beats by playing keys and writing my own melodies and chord progressions, but i could never make a sampled beat slap like any of these cats do, because as u said, im not a DJ. I’ve had so many arguments with people saying sampling is easy and needs no skill. as a person who has been playing live music for ages, sampling is the hardest thing i’ve yet to master
real talk, don't forget being very particular with which type of drums and bassline to put over the sample, there's a reason why every time we hear a mind-blowing beat we find out it's one of those top tier producers.
@@williamcapone5457 It's all music theory the last sample I was working on a couple days ago was H-Town "They like it slow". I didn't speed up or slow down the tempo or change the pitch but, I did chop the intro that plays for around 35+ seconds into multiple pieces and put it together in a way that the first 4 bars of the chords / notes would repeat every 4 & then I put Gross beat on the sample with the triplet chain effect on the 2nd bar which would play for the first four bars then the last 4 had the part of the sample where they're harmonizing saying they like it slow. I used the breakdown at 3 something minutes as the intro which I used ProQ3 EQ & canceled out all of the highs & most of the mids giving the chop that in a tube / tunnel effect. Once the beat dropped it was business as usual. The verse parts I haven't figured out yet lol 🤣
"make" is the contestable word, when sampling is so often used to appropriate pre-existing material. Relying on sampling means the composer is deciding on the composition and arrangement/mix, but is not generating any of the source sounds and arrangement.
Sampling is a true art, and it still has so much further to go; If you ask me, the future of hiphop sampling can come from those who master the new technologies the J Dillas, Pete Rocks & 9th Wonders didnt have in their come up: granular synthesis and Additive resynthesis being tools I think can really push the craft to new heights
True sampling is lowkey complicated at the first time depend on that person we all know that sampling is to rearrangement a whole records that goes well with the other pièces that we want to match you lowkey need some good ears for that but with practice you can achieve that technic
Sampling ain't hard at all. It's very repetitious. Most sampling producers don't understand how to LAYER a sample with multiple sounds to give a different feel. I like some of 9th Wonder music but alot of it sounds repetitive.
Have to give RZA respect for turning one finger keyboard playing in the early 90s into worldwide hits. A couple of samples from kung fu flicks and some of the songs became fire
The highest and hardest form of ANY form of music. Is the Combination of sampling and Adding original music on top of it. This is what Kanye west and Tyler the creator have mastered. And it is something I've I'm striving towards everyday
False. If you are a trained musician(trained meaning you know music-theory/chord-construction/harmonic-theory), adding original music on top of samples is easy as hell. Its as simple as finding out what key the sample is in(which only takes a few minutes). Comments like these often come from people that are under-exposed to truely good music. This isn't a personal slight on you, Bruh, rather a summary of the phenomenon among a generation of young people that didn't grow up on genuinely good music that came from true musicianship. At any rate, Peace....
I don't have anything against sampling. I applaud the great producers like Pete Rock, 9th, etc. I can chop a sample and create a decent track. I personally just like making something that came from my own imagination. It may come off as "tink tink" producing, but I dreamt that beat, imagined it while in the shower, etc. I just put it out in a beat. Don't get me wrong, if you can't play an instrument just say so, but don't downplay a person's creativity whether it's true sampling or recreating something they imagined in their minds. Music is damn near an emotion. People can convey messages in different way. Nobody should hate on any way of making a beat. Some of the greatest hip hop joints are as simple as the boom bap! I know it a competitive scene out here in hip hop. Can't we all just appreciate the final product of a song? Damn, it's always a competition. Apple v. Android, Xbox v. Playstation, Honda v. Toyota haha. Let's just make music and not diss the next man's creation and we'll be fine!
It's not tink tink if it's dope. It's not the weapon it's how you shoot it. 9th was responding to a question about some producers dissing sampling. If you produce music in these digital mediums today, you are sampling. VSTs and sample packs are samples. But regardless,I'm on some live and let live stuff. If it's dope it's dope. But when people discredit music not based on it's artistic value, but because it contains samples, I have to speak up about that. I understood 9th to be saying that there's a difference between being talented at playing keys and someone thinking they're a musical maestro just because they don't sample.
@@BackToTheBoomBapVSTs etc are yea samples, but you have to have music theory knowledge / piano skills to play anything you want yourself with them. Where as sampling all the theory and years of practice is already done for you. All you have to do is arrange it little bit different. This is coming from a guy who loves to sample and sample based music, but I also play instruments. Both are awesome The middle ground I’ve found satisfying is making like drums and then a melody / chords with Rhodes or piano and then layer in samples or the other way around. Do both in a track.
One of my favorite techniques in sampling is taking a sample that isn't too busy and chopping up each chord / some notes etc , changing all of there pitches to something lower or higher, and then taking those chops and finding pairs loop points for at least 2-3 of the chops so that I can sustain the sound forever basically. I'm sure this was used before me but it's a great way to sample if your trying to get a bit outside the box of just lowering the tempo / pitch of the sample. I saw a comment here saying that there was much less artistry to those songs which sample something just changing the tempo / pitch and putting drums over it. I agree with this sentiment even if it may seem a bit controversial, I personally don't take a lot of interest in hearing something that just doesn't do the original art piece justice. Hopefully everyone can gain something from this video as these sentiments I think can be translated to most art that we all have the pleasure to percieve... peace and love ✌️
Thanks for that thoughtful comment. Music is something that's interpreted, so we all experience it in different ways. And those of us who make it all have different techniques that we use. Sampling is just one of them. I think a lot of people are still misunderstanding and thinking that I'm saying that sampling is harder than playing live instruments. But what I'm actually doing is reminding people about the artistry involved with great sampling. Sampling at the level of the Pete Rock's and DJ Premier's of the world is not often heard in today's mainstream music.
i like to take the trail of a note and loop it as long as i need to ill have the first one regular, second one backwards and and on and on so its not like a big jump in volume when the next loop starts its just like rising and falling i take some hi out too incase of any pops if i need to
All vibrations in sound form come from the formation of stars and the movement of the luminaries. We're all just sampling the universe trying to give it form. Keep Spreading Knowledge. God Speed
Levels to this. Playing drums over a sample is not very impressive but chopping a sound of any sort into something totally unrecognizable is to me the height of creativity
I definitely agree with what you said about chopping samples. but even if it's a loop and you just follow the drums in the sample it can still be dope if you pick the right sample. Some of the stuff Puff was doing in the 90s was uncreative but there are producers who looped up samples that were so obscure, that alone made it creative.
Appreciate you feeling me man, it’s true though. It’s all about how you make it funky. Loops are cool but to chop something up entirely and puzzle it back into something new and fresh. There’s the beauty of music. Something old can be brought back to life through the art of sampling
Lol I went up there and clicked the like when you said so because this is valuable and motivational to an artist like me who makes sample based music, I love your channel
Really glad YT recommended this channel, trying to grow as a musician and I had i am dipping my toes in sampling, and it is good to hear that sampling well is hard and not just hard for me.
I agree with 9th wonder from a personal perspective. I've created original beats and sampled beats, and the sampled beats generally required more effort and time.
I think when you create the music that your sampling ,,(to me) it is a lot easier because you have a much more complete and robust understanding of basically every aspect of the sample. When I sample it is very challenging to sample something new (by someone else) and not just resample a loop I've made, You kinda have to dive into the mind of the artist your sampling and dig your way out of their musicality making it align with your own it seems.
@@alexanderschrager6448 for sure, when you sample, three chords that go together are already there. With sampling you no longer need to know your scales, you have the scales already. It's now about the melody and rythem
@@atetraxx absolutely, sampling can be done by anyone but understanding that melody / rhythmic aspect when chopping etc is to me what differentiates good from great
He’s not lying. Before the year 2000 getting sample clearance was like going to war. And a lot of websites would mute your track or edit entire parts out your video. But disguising a sample or changing entire notes and chords to avoid lawsuits or sample detection it did and still does take real skill.
many ''beatmakers'' have told me ''no man it's impossible to find a sample that hasn't been played by anyone'' From then on I saw that he had a great gift and talent, you have to feel blessed... digging samples is a serious matter, especially since there are many people who do not have the slightest idea of what is still hidden in the boxes.
THANK YOUUUU! lol this video definitely made me feel so much better about sampling. Especially since I'm a big 9th Wonder fan, hearing it from him makes it even more of a honor for me lol I agree with this video 💯💯💯
Sampling is the reason why I started to make my own music in the first place.Like Quentin Tarantino and Madlib,I wanted to make something original out of the thing I already loved and the process to make something new with something already existing is extremely hard since you have to make your music fresh and new at the same time still having the feel and paying a tribute to the original artist.It's not just ripping off an already exsiting piece of music like a lot of sample haters say.
Sampling is an art ….I think it shows how good an ear a beat maker has …it’s not easy and like most things people always copy what was done but it always evolves and styles change ,having an ear for a dope sound is not easy . Let alone mixing n putting it together. It’s a skill
Tracklib is the truth. I've been a member almost since the beginning. Being an older cat, sampling is just a part of my DNA. 9th Wonder is correct. Sampling & making the samples your own isn't easy if you don't know what you're doing in the first place. Great video. ✌🏾
Great video pal! I think somewhere in one of these 9th wonder clips you have 9th speaks about how DJ Premier used 👉"The Moon People Hippy, Skippy, Moon Strut " to make 👉 Christina Aguilera ain't no other man lyrics which is crazy to even think about. #Samplingishard because I have can play the keys and the guitar. When I sample I find it hard to bend the sample to the way I can hear it in my head.
i love making my own patterns music beats bc its mine not someone else shout out to the ones who can pull it off but for me when you here it you cant say i heard this beat before
Damn. That “You didn’t make that sound. That D. That C.” line hit me hard. Because every art form has its own language. Every artist picks up on that language some how. But you can’t just make up your own symbols and be understood. So people will say you’re not being original when really you’re just speaking English. That is to say, the language of your medium. You add to it. You never just invent it. How can you get a vintage sound without vintage music?
Everyone's interpretation of music is different. The Motown artists from the '70s for example, live instruments is all they had. Sampling in hip-hop in the beginning was almost a necessity. The genre has evolved enough now that there's a bunch of crossover. Some artists who were traditionally known for live instruments are incorporating samples and sample based producers are including more live instruments. I'm not mad at either way. It's all about creating good music.
@@BackToTheBoomBap As someone who spends a lot of time putting images to hip-hop, it sounds weird but I feel like sample based music is the only limitless genre. A good producer is like their own orchestra.
the difference is cut&paste vs generating the source yourself (much like in visual arts - collage vs painting&drawing from scratch) most people don't think or care about it, but those that can/do will know
@@shaft9000 As someone who draws, paints and edits, not only do not understand sampling music you don’t understand those either. There is no sourceless art.
9th wonder was the producer to show me the importance of music theory and learning music theory in sampling a loong time ago and it’s something o think about to this day when I dabble in beats
Back in the '80s in the 90s the pioneers had it easy, if I was so fresh everything was there for the taking. Fast forward to 2022 it feels like almost everything has been done. Hard to be a pioneer of anything these days.
sampling is deffinately an art as a Dj and producer and to bring music that most cats would NEVER HEAR, not too mention the 'remix factor, looping it, getting it to sound right, I started as a turntablist sampler, i play keys and am a full on producer now but the sp505 groove sampling workstation taught me how to WAVE EDIT which is kind of necessary in DAWS. I just built my EURO rack modular, and am having alot of fun Taking my music 'out of the box' before putting it back it.
Maybe I'm different but from an artistic side of things, sampling has never been that difficult to me. Whether I'm looping or Chopping I always find something to work with and make my own with it. I think the main reason people don't really like to sample or find it "hard" is when it comes to the business side of things and clearing the sample etc...
Its literally the way you sample. Tbh I always liked sampling to where you can't tell its from the original. The puffy way of sampling was never something I liked. I dig the page and the content. I just subscribed. 🙌🏼💯
When I was using an SK-1 it was tedious without midi.. When I got on the Mirage it was chop city. Once i got the EPS 16 plus i quit sampling. But when I got on the MPC 2000...game over. Nowadays I sample myself cause im actually a keyboard player.
I agree with this because as a producer not every sample you gonna find that works and it takes a ton of digging and creativity to make it your own and sound different
Sampling is most definitely an inifinite artform, but I'd argue that pulling a song out of thin air is even more infinite..hence relatively more impressive for one to pull off something truly original that has strong staying power. As clever as one may be in getting the most out of samples and make an amazing track that not just anyone could pull off, *the more basic* examples of sampling do rest very heavily on existing songs and don't bring but so much to the table. Like, oh wow you took the chorus, pitched it up, put drums underneath, and looped it over the whole track... Woe is me to say so without any experience but I can't imagine that *BASIC sampling* is all that hard, but as is the case with creating anything, doing so in such a way that it runs deep in a less predictable yet cohesive way is a very difficult thing to master. Kanye's Good Life is a great example of sampling that's far from basic - it's a full on production that uses PYT unlike anyone else would've thought of. Even more impressive is when producers interweave the sampling of multiple songs onto a single track and do so seamlessly
Music isn't supposed to be impressive in the method though, its meant to be felt. 99% of listeners don't think about how it was created, and don't care how, they just want to feel the music
I totally understand but as an instrumentalist, me playing chords or patterns on piano or guitar(after almost 20 years) is literally as easy for me as talking. It’s much easier for me to sit down and record 4 tracks on guitar bass drums etc than it is for me to chop a sample. I started sampling about 4 years ago and even now some of my favorite sample based beats probably seem simple to most people but the ability to use a critical ear to create the most cohesive sound possible is the true skill!
@@95leo Same here, I played trumpet and classical guitar, went to music school as a kid taking theory lessons and playing it all types of bands. I was drawn to turntablism and through that to sampling and beat making, and it presented challenges that playing instruments did not. It is a lot easier when you know what you're doing, and have no limitations as far as note, duration, arrangement to fill the spectrum (deciding which instrument to fill the upper octave, same for lower etc) than it is to chop and layer samples, creating something else with them. I dropped the instruments and stuck to beat making and engineering because of the challenge it provided. Another thing people often forget, is that sampling affected and influenced the way people now play instruments, playing styles on anything from drums, to melodic instruments, have changed and developed through hearing how samples have been programmed. That 'rub', the push and pull etcs have gotten exaggerated in some musicians playing styles as a direct result of sampling's influence.
Though I get what you're saying to some extent, and agree with some points you make, I'd argue that 1: nothing at this point is "truly original", just mutations of things that have already existed (I advise anyone to watch Everything is a Remix 2015 Remastered on UA-cam), and 2: anyone who is well versed in sound design knows that you can literally make any sound into another sound; this being the core idea for Additive synthesis. Sure, you can say sample is super simple, but in the same breath, a large amount of popular music is based off the same exact chord progression; can you say doing so is truly original? Aren't those songs just sampling in a sense? The same way* there are basic examples of sampling, there are plenty of examples of minimalism in music as well that anyone can play with minimal effort. Just to piggy back on your Good Life point, another example of sampling being an art at full display is looking at Kanye's Devil in a new Dress, flipped by B!NK: the original source material comes from a Smokey Robinson song (i think name of the song is will you love me tomorrow); but I would bet everything that Smokey, Motown or anyone else NEVER would've thought to flip the song in the way B!NK did. It's truly making the song your own. My point isn't to try and debate you or disagree with you, I just think the general perception of sampling is too skewed as a non creative endeavor and the reasonings for it doesn't hold up when applied to forms of creativity that are deemed acceptable; I just saw an opportunity to compare the 2 mediums. You can be as super creative or as unoriginal with live instruments just like you can be with sampling
sampling is hard because did it for tracklib contest and at first it was frustrating to because like he said you gotta find certain parts to put together top make a song but now I love it
I am going to teach myself how to sample and make my own beats here soon. Anything worth doing is always going to be a tad bit difficult. Dilla forever!!!!!
Absolutely!! Like you say, it’s not the physical aspect of sampling that’s hard. That’s just recording sound. The part that takes skill is hearing sounds that will work together and making them 🔥🔥🔥. Not everyone can do that just like not everyone can play traditional instruments.
This is beautiful, 9th been my main inspiration for beat making. Also , music is music, hip hop is birthed from sampling respect and appreciate how far the culture has taken it. Because sampling has been here long before hip hop.
I love hip hop to the core and I have so much respect for 9th wonder, but that reasoning he gave about someone coming up with the C and the piano and it’s the same as his drum-pad is absolute nonsense. Sampling is an art form and is amazing when it’s beautifully done… you said that it hard and that subjective …. You said someone people think its “uncreative” and while it isn’t always in many many cases it can be. Some producers rely HEAVILY on “sampling” to get recognition, sales, audience approval (there’s nothing wrong with any of that) …. Some producers create from the sounds in their heads and come up with fresh arrangements for the same things …. I think the latter is a bit more difficult and requires a little more “elbow grease” (I’m comparing great samples and great records) …. A simple way of me expressing my view would be to say I love 9th Wonder and respect his musical talent…. But not as much as I do Prince…. It’s just a deeper connection to something that from him and that he expresses with echoing someone else’s feelings …. Is it better overall? In a lot of cases YES … and in SOME cases the sample is better but that’s not standard… thank you for the video. Peace
@@freein2339 I get it you studied music can read music can play it’s all good but the facts remain for every song that was a top 10 where instruments were played there was a song that tanked where instruments were played. Remember disco duck lol?
@@thaiboxing67 There are tons of music that didn't sell , that's a fact that goes back 100 years so what's your point..?...Now what 10 instruments do you play very well....or are you just lying...??
I can relate to a lot of what's said as a dnb-head and occasional producer. When I was in high school there were all kinds of guys who were like "Isn't electronic music when someone has absolutely no talent whatsoever, can't play an instrument, they push a few buttons on a computer, and the song writes itself?". They've never tried actually going through all the buzzy crap most synths or even romplers have. They've never tried EQ'ing let along mixing or mastering. They could ask Hive, who was a drummer. His take was that making drum n bass tracks was much harder than playing the drums. I think at the end of the day people just want to mess with each other and they know ignorant comments will get a reaction.
He talks about J dilla sampling the end of some 7 minute song which may be boring to listen to, highlighting his integrity etc. J dilla probably just looked at the record and recognized the instrumental breakdown from looking at the groove difference of the record and went straight to that part for the sample. You can actually see 'breaks' on vinyl.
I tell my nephews every day.."if we don't come up with some new notes...there ain't gonna be "NO" new music!" But..... There's one way we make NEW music everyday..........
@@RussellKendrick-qh6nz you're welcome! Glad people are still watching my videos. I wrote the script to this video in black ink on a notebook. I felt like 9th Wonder was on to something with his views on sampling, I just want to expand on it.
Producers don't have the burden of paying TO sample for the beat, the artists knows from the jump if he like the beat HE has to get it cleared after he purchases the beat
Pete Rock, DJ Premier, Dr Dre, 9th Wonder, Just Blaze, early Kanye, J-Dilla, Large Professor, Marley Marl, Erick Sermon have mastered sampling and have given us some of the best rap music of all time.
@@freein2339 You don't get the point. There is no difference in spending x amount of time learning to get good at making beats and learning to get good at playing an instrument.
@@freein2339 The whole science of making a beat including all the gear you have to use, the programming of drums, slicing and chopping of samples, mixing etc is in itself an instrument. It is as endless of an art as it is to play an "actual" instrument. Don't you agree?
9th was 100% on-point. I fortunately have the priviledge of being both a Jazz Composer AND a Beatsmith so I can objectively weigh both points-of-view. Great video, Bruh! Keep the good content coming!
@@BackToTheBoomBap I feel you completely. Ima be a sampler until I"m 6 feet under, ..Straight up. Nothin in this world like the treasure hunt of finding that 5-second melodic Jewel inside of a 7-minute-long composition. We are an esoteric rare breed and that is what makes Us & 9th/ & this artform special. Those that dont understand it dont understand HipHop. Peace...
It’s easy now I don’t know how to work an MPC but it still takes work to chop and more importantly find the sounds from mp3 it’s just the new vinyl…I’ve embraced it by now
I'm one of those cats who can flip a sample and play keys when I have to. Sampling is art, no doubt. I think it's all a matter of preference and the feelings you'd like to convey from your project. 9th is right about the origin of the sound. However, playing keys and making your own melodies as a producer just gives you more creative control. I cannot get a sync license with a loop or sample in my composition. We all know who makes all the revenue on "Gangsta's Paradise" or "I'll be Misding You" of Diddy. Composing imo will give you a bit of an edge depending on what your goal is.
Dr Dre stepped away from his Wreck Cru style music to start sampling music with his NWA debut albums and see what those albums accomplished!!! Straight Fire!! 9th Wonder is a BEAST when it comes to beatmaking and he appreciates sampling to the fullest!!!
Anti sampling crowds are racist as hell too, lots of us didn't grow up with the money for instruments and lessons, or were pressured by our families to focus on academics...sampling gave us the ability to create entire songs with a record player and a beat machine, or nowadays even an mp3 and a program. Plus theres the respect it gives to the greats of past eras. If we continued classic era hip hop on a mainstream level, it would do far more to keep classic Black music in the general consciousness, sampling rare cuts off Marvin Gaye instead of just relying on the next big movie to play "Ain't no mountain high enough" for the millionth time in film history. I'm a fan of digging through discographies and discovering overlooked artists BECAUSE of hip hop. I'm a fan of jazz because of hip hop! Anti sampling sentiment is destroying the dynamic we were gifted by the golden era. Don't trust those foos.
People don't sample because it's a headache financially & legally, not because it's hard. The fact that it costs upwards of 2k too clear a sample doesn't get enough air time in this conversation. For producers starting out that's the biggest deterrent. I, and I believe pretty much any producer, would be happy to split the publishing of their records if it didn't cost 2-10k to simply get the rights to use a piece of music in the first place: which if they're true diggers they've technically already paid for buy purchasing the record.
I've been playing music for over 40 years and I was a music teacher but I am new to sampling. It is definitely hard as hell to make it sound good and make it work. It's like learning a new instrument.
A good sample can live in your head forever and take a song from "good" to "untouchable". But let's not BLATANTLY lie to ourselves....😄 if you are comparing a trained voice singing a melody (chopped or not) to a single key.... you...are...TRIPPIN'!! The most unfair comparison I've ever heard. Everything you have to do to a sample song to make it great, you must ALSO do to a song without one. Only you don't have a built in hook, topic, progression, or tone to set it off when you don't have a sample. Sampling is an art! But don't EVER tell a mason or carpenter that building a prefab house is more difficult. AND... I say this as I study with 9th Wonder's Zion V ironically playing in the background.
What about when someone takes piano keys on a record, rearranges them into a new melody. That is still music. Whether you touch a key or click a button. It’s still sound and just as creative as using an instrument. You’re still experimenting with a piano, whether it was pre recorded or not. You’re taking soemthing and then making soemthing new out of it. That is alchemy. Just straight looping with not many changes is different.
This topic got me thinking about how Wu Tang made their songs by sampling from Kung Fu flicks. I don't remember the details, but it was really hard to do it at the time. Also I feel for talented people who are good at sampling but risk legal issues. Samples help people look for the original song and expand their taste in music by looking into the past and buying that original soundtrack. It's technically a win win for everyone when you think about it.
I don't consider myself a "tinky-tinky" prod maker... I try to find a unique style and flow of the progression. I do like sampling too. Big big love to 9th wonder he has alotta wisdom and he's one of my favorite Producers of all time. Up there with Special Herbs and J Dilla's work. Big ups for this video.
Sampling is EXTREMELY easy and it is so due to one word; CREATIVITY! One of the reasons why music is lacking it's luster across all genres today is due to ok lack of creativity when it comes to music! We used to be forced to take a music class in elementary school and even had the option of taking music appreciation as an elective in college. Now music is almost non-existent in schools thus choking out creativity in children! If you are a music historian ( in this case that means anyone who has a vast knowledge of many different genres of music) you SHOULD be able to sample any type of music and also do it very well! Those who practice should be able to sample in a way that no one would be able to recognize the sample even those with a trained ear! Most don't sample because they're lazy and not creative, not because it's hard! Sampling is so easy that all of the work was done with the Casio mini keyboard on The loop option! Remember that piece of major equipment of the 80's?
You don’t have to hide the original song I enjoy it when someone takes a track I like and puts a different spin on it but still has parts of the original too, there are many ways to sample and if it sounds good after who cares 👍🏻
Ik this is a boombap channel but Pierre Bourne flipping Jodeci's "What About Us" on R.I.P and Gina Thompson's "The Things You Do" on Drake and Chill are some of the best examples of sampling I've heard. The way that Pierre made a completely different sound off of those samples shows how sampling can push any beat further, No matter the genre.
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Sampling is fun. Coming up with your own stuff without sampling is fun. Playing an instrument is fun. Playing with a vst is fun. Making music is fun.
Sampling is indeed an infinite art form. The ability to cut pieces of songs, movies, etc and create a new interpretation is reinventing the wheel to roll in a different way.
It is the audio equivalent to what collage (cut & paste) is in visual art. No more, no less.
frl i dont respect when producers sample a loop i respect the puzzle builders sampling is the hardest level to producing puzzle sampling not loop sampling
@rockstarmotives7989 Sampling loops, chopping loops, however the flow leads is what works. DJs used to spin one part back and forth with scratching and pausing so if the loop is manipulated similarly, it works in my books.
Speaking from a MPC vet turned musician, sampling like 9th and Dilla is hard and a true artform. But for those taking a famous jingle and putting an 808 to it (majority of producers) this is not hard
Correction... GOOD sampling is hard. A lot of "producers" will just take a piece of a song, change the tempo and maybe the octave, throw some drums over it and call it a sample. Technically it is but to make it your own as 9th Wonder eluded to takes much more talent and skill.
That's what I mean. Being great at it. No one is talking about people who are sampling who aren't any good.
J Dilla did what you described maaaaany times. Back then digging was part of the art. Or why do you think nobody but J Dilla sampled Alice Cooper's "Shoe Salesman"?
i don’t really see that as bad thing. not ever beat has to be a little brother or they reminisce o ver you.
like come clean by jeru is just 1 looping shelly manne sample with drums on top and that song is HEAT.
some times less is more but it’s all love man this pretty interesting topic for hip hop fans to discuss. i feel like both sides of the “argument” have valid points
@@evangilmore3964 Right. Pretty much everybody in the comments have been making valid points. I like to have discussions like this. My Producer Vs Beatmaker video is another one like that.
just like any musician amateurs can play decent or mediocre melody, but to do what real pros do? it requires more effort, practicing, skills and talent to do it.
9th is a legend at what he does. It can be difficult sometimes depending on what you’re sampling. Sometimes certain chops won’t fit no matter how you pitch or chop etc. Other times loops can fit perfectly with minimal effort. Some people criticise sampling etc but it isn’t always easy otherwise everyone with a sampler or daw could be a millionaire off their beats.
The best part of sampling to me is discovering the artist and associated artist that your sampling. Discovering what’s out there, while paying homage to the artist.
This is on point
I love sampling. Been doing it since the mid 90s. It's definitely not easy at 1st. But when you put the time in it becomes easier.
Yeah and you must do it just for fun, and not money lol...Sample producers don't make no $$$ - clearing them samples eat all your profit. But for the ART? Sample producers can often be more talented than actual muscian compositions. Sampling though lets be real, it's easier to sample some Jb's Drums - vs learning how to play your own percussion that you compose and arrange. Being intricate is one thing
@@JimBrownski Facts
@@JimBrownski it’s easier but it’s still just as creative. Especially when someone can take a song and make it sound completely different. That’s an art form. Some of them can mix like 5 songs and chop it to sound like it’s a loop when it’s not.
The first layout you make from a sample is usually easy and fun.
Turning it into a song becomes work. Are you willing to continue to clean, edit, and rearrange and maybe even scrap it and try a brand new idea?
Even a lot of my mentors get complacent once they find a nice 8 bar loop
Sampling is producing from a DJ’s point of view. Picking a song and deciding which part you’re going to use knowing it will work is an overlooked skill. And I am not even talking about doing crazy flips, heavily altering sounds and textures, or mixing in other samples from other genres and time periods. Even the simply looped very recognizable samples. It always remind me of people criticizing a Mondriaan or Pollock painting when they say: ‘so simple,I could have made that as well’. ‘Yeah, but point is, you weren’t that creative to decide to make that’.
Especially when you consider that producers are chopping the samples and rearranging it.
definitely! i’ve been playing piano for 20 years now with a background as a live musician, im best at making beats by playing keys and writing my own melodies and chord progressions, but i could never make a sampled beat slap like any of these cats do, because as u said, im not a DJ. I’ve had so many arguments with people saying sampling is easy and needs no skill. as a person who has been playing live music for ages, sampling is the hardest thing i’ve yet to master
real talk, don't forget being very particular with which type of drums and bassline to put over the sample, there's a reason why every time we hear a mind-blowing beat we find out it's one of those top tier producers.
@@williamcapone5457 It's all music theory the last sample I was working on a couple days ago was H-Town "They like it slow". I didn't speed up or slow down the tempo or change the pitch but, I did chop the intro that plays for around 35+ seconds into multiple pieces and put it together in a way that the first 4 bars of the chords / notes would repeat every 4 & then I put Gross beat on the sample with the triplet chain effect on the 2nd bar which would play for the first four bars then the last 4 had the part of the sample where they're harmonizing saying they like it slow. I used the breakdown at 3 something minutes as the intro which I used ProQ3 EQ & canceled out all of the highs & most of the mids giving the chop that in a tube / tunnel effect. Once the beat dropped it was business as usual. The verse parts I haven't figured out yet lol 🤣
"make" is the contestable word, when sampling is so often used to appropriate pre-existing material.
Relying on sampling means the composer is deciding on the composition and arrangement/mix, but is not generating any of the source sounds and arrangement.
Sampling is a true art, and it still has so much further to go; If you ask me, the future of hiphop sampling can come from those who master the new technologies the J Dillas, Pete Rocks & 9th Wonders didnt have in their come up: granular synthesis and Additive resynthesis being tools I think can really push the craft to new heights
True sampling is lowkey complicated at the first time depend on that person we all know that sampling is to rearrangement a whole records that goes well with the other pièces that we want to match you lowkey need some good ears for that but with practice you can achieve that technic
Gotta throw Madlib and Kanye up there too
@@yeeyeekaree1107 yea forsure, I didn't want to try and name every legendary producer, the lost is pretty long lol
@@SwiftDreamer true😅
Sampling ain't hard at all. It's very repetitious. Most sampling producers don't understand how to LAYER a sample with multiple sounds to give a different feel. I like some of 9th Wonder music but alot of it sounds repetitive.
Have to give RZA respect for turning one finger keyboard playing in the early 90s into worldwide hits. A couple of samples from kung fu flicks and some of the songs became fire
The highest and hardest form of ANY form of music. Is the Combination of sampling and Adding original music on top of it. This is what Kanye west and Tyler the creator have mastered. And it is something I've I'm striving towards everyday
Absolutely. Kanye's a knuckle head but he's in my opinion the most creative producer out there he's essentially a DJ
False. If you are a trained musician(trained meaning you know music-theory/chord-construction/harmonic-theory), adding original music on top of samples is easy as hell. Its as simple as finding out what key the sample is in(which only takes a few minutes). Comments like these often come from people that are under-exposed to truely good music. This isn't a personal slight on you, Bruh, rather a summary of the phenomenon among a generation of young people that didn't grow up on genuinely good music that came from true musicianship. At any rate, Peace....
I don't have anything against sampling. I applaud the great producers like Pete Rock, 9th, etc. I can chop a sample and create a decent track. I personally just like making something that came from my own imagination. It may come off as "tink tink" producing, but I dreamt that beat, imagined it while in the shower, etc. I just put it out in a beat. Don't get me wrong, if you can't play an instrument just say so, but don't downplay a person's creativity whether it's true sampling or recreating something they imagined in their minds. Music is damn near an emotion. People can convey messages in different way. Nobody should hate on any way of making a beat. Some of the greatest hip hop joints are as simple as the boom bap! I know it a competitive scene out here in hip hop. Can't we all just appreciate the final product of a song? Damn, it's always a competition. Apple v. Android, Xbox v. Playstation, Honda v. Toyota haha. Let's just make music and not diss the next man's creation and we'll be fine!
It's not tink tink if it's dope. It's not the weapon it's how you shoot it. 9th was responding to a question about some producers dissing sampling. If you produce music in these digital mediums today, you are sampling. VSTs and sample packs are samples. But regardless,I'm on some live and let live stuff. If it's dope it's dope. But when people discredit music not based on it's artistic value, but because it contains samples, I have to speak up about that. I understood 9th to be saying that there's a difference between being talented at playing keys and someone thinking they're a musical maestro just because they don't sample.
@@BackToTheBoomBap gotcha. That makes sense.
@@BackToTheBoomBapVSTs etc are yea samples, but you have to have music theory knowledge / piano skills to play anything you want yourself with them. Where as sampling all the theory and years of practice is already done for you. All you have to do is arrange it little bit different. This is coming from a guy who loves to sample and sample based music, but I also play instruments. Both are awesome
The middle ground I’ve found satisfying is making like drums and then a melody / chords with Rhodes or piano and then layer in samples or the other way around. Do both in a track.
One of my favorite techniques in sampling is taking a sample that isn't too busy and chopping up each chord / some notes etc , changing all of there pitches to something lower or higher, and then taking those chops and finding pairs loop points for at least 2-3 of the chops so that I can sustain the sound forever basically. I'm sure this was used before me but it's a great way to sample if your trying to get a bit outside the box of just lowering the tempo / pitch of the sample. I saw a comment here saying that there was much less artistry to those songs which sample something just changing the tempo / pitch and putting drums over it. I agree with this sentiment even if it may seem a bit controversial, I personally don't take a lot of interest in hearing something that just doesn't do the original art piece justice. Hopefully everyone can gain something from this video as these sentiments I think can be translated to most art that we all have the pleasure to percieve... peace and love ✌️
Thanks for that thoughtful comment. Music is something that's interpreted, so we all experience it in different ways. And those of us who make it all have different techniques that we use. Sampling is just one of them. I think a lot of people are still misunderstanding and thinking that I'm saying that sampling is harder than playing live instruments. But what I'm actually doing is reminding people about the artistry involved with great sampling. Sampling at the level of the Pete Rock's and DJ Premier's of the world is not often heard in today's mainstream music.
@@BackToTheBoomBap Pete rock is so fire
i like to take the trail of a note and loop it as long as i need to
ill have the first one regular, second one backwards and and on and on so its not like a big jump in volume when the next loop starts its just like rising and falling
i take some hi out too incase of any pops if i need to
All vibrations in sound form come from the formation of stars and the movement of the luminaries. We're all just sampling the universe trying to give it form. Keep Spreading Knowledge. God Speed
Levels to this. Playing drums over a sample is not very impressive but chopping a sound of any sort into something totally unrecognizable is to me the height of creativity
I definitely agree with what you said about chopping samples. but even if it's a loop and you just follow the drums in the sample it can still be dope if you pick the right sample. Some of the stuff Puff was doing in the 90s was uncreative but there are producers who looped up samples that were so obscure, that alone made it creative.
Sampling is an art within itself. It’s all how you flip the joints and make them your own. Much love to all the creatives out there✌🏽✌🏽
Damn yo! Tell em again one more time!
Appreciate you feeling me man, it’s true though. It’s all about how you make it funky. Loops are cool but to chop something up entirely and puzzle it back into something new and fresh. There’s the beauty of music. Something old can be brought back to life through the art of sampling
Lol I went up there and clicked the like when you said so because this is valuable and motivational to an artist like me who makes sample based music, I love your channel
Thank you so much. I'm glad that you enjoy the channel and I'm happy that I what I naturally have a passion for resonates with other people.
The only thing difficult about sampling is getting a sample clearance otherwise every other sound in the DAW is a sample in itself
Really glad YT recommended this channel, trying to grow as a musician and I had i am dipping my toes in sampling, and it is good to hear that sampling well is hard and not just hard for me.
I agree with 9th wonder from a personal perspective. I've created original beats and sampled beats, and the sampled beats generally required more effort and time.
I think when you create the music that your sampling ,,(to me) it is a lot easier because you have a much more complete and robust understanding of basically every aspect of the sample. When I sample it is very challenging to sample something new (by someone else) and not just resample a loop I've made, You kinda have to dive into the mind of the artist your sampling and dig your way out of their musicality making it align with your own it seems.
@@alexanderschrager6448 for sure, when you sample, three chords that go together are already there. With sampling you no longer need to know your scales, you have the scales already. It's now about the melody and rythem
@@atetraxx absolutely, sampling can be done by anyone but understanding that melody / rhythmic aspect when chopping etc is to me what differentiates good from great
THE QUEEN SONG IS STILL WRECKED FOR ME STILL IN 2022!!!!!!
He’s not lying. Before the year 2000 getting sample clearance was like going to war. And a lot of websites would mute your track or edit entire parts out your video. But disguising a sample or changing entire notes and chords to avoid lawsuits or sample detection it did and still does take real skill.
Samples based producer are basically DJ's, remix artist. Which i absolutely applaud
many ''beatmakers'' have told me ''no man it's impossible to find a sample that hasn't been played by anyone''
From then on I saw that he had a great gift and talent, you have to feel blessed... digging samples is a serious matter, especially since there are many people who do not have the slightest idea of what is still hidden in the boxes.
THANK YOUUUU! lol this video definitely made me feel so much better about sampling. Especially since I'm a big 9th Wonder fan, hearing it from him makes it even more of a honor for me lol I agree with this video 💯💯💯
Coming from classical and jazz background, I love playing instruments and sampling and even sampling my own playing! Whatever makes a great song.
Sampling is the reason why I started to make my own music in the first place.Like Quentin Tarantino and Madlib,I wanted to make something original out of the thing I already loved and the process to make something new with something already existing is extremely hard since you have to make your music fresh and new at the same time still having the feel and paying a tribute to the original artist.It's not just ripping off an already exsiting piece of music like a lot of sample haters say.
Love sampling, to find a rare loop is such a thrill
I have come a long way when it comes to sampling, I love the process no doubt.
What's up bro? Glad you stopped by and appreciate you watching. 👊
Sampling is an art ….I think it shows how good an ear a beat maker has …it’s not easy and like most things people always copy what was done but it always evolves and styles change ,having an ear for a dope sound is not easy . Let alone mixing n putting it together. It’s a skill
Finding parts of random songs and sounds to make a new composition is no joke.
Tracklib is the truth. I've been a member almost since the beginning. Being an older cat, sampling is just a part of my DNA. 9th Wonder is correct. Sampling & making the samples your own isn't easy if you don't know what you're doing in the first place. Great video. ✌🏾
the same logic applies to literally everything. Even making none sample beats.
That was the smoothest ad I’ve ever seen lmao
Great video pal! I think somewhere in one of these 9th wonder clips you have 9th speaks about how DJ Premier used 👉"The Moon People Hippy, Skippy, Moon Strut " to make 👉 Christina Aguilera ain't no other man lyrics which is crazy to even think about. #Samplingishard because I have can play the keys and the guitar. When I sample I find it hard to bend the sample to the way I can hear it in my head.
Thanks! I never knew the sample to that song. Gonna have to look that up so I can hear it.
i love making my own patterns music beats bc its mine not someone else shout out to the ones who can pull it off but for me when you here it you cant say i heard this beat before
Damn. That “You didn’t make that sound. That D. That C.” line hit me hard. Because every art form has its own language. Every artist picks up on that language some how. But you can’t just make up your own symbols and be understood. So people will say you’re not being original when really you’re just speaking English.
That is to say, the language of your medium. You add to it. You never just invent it. How can you get a vintage sound without vintage music?
Everyone's interpretation of music is different. The Motown artists from the '70s for example, live instruments is all they had. Sampling in hip-hop in the beginning was almost a necessity. The genre has evolved enough now that there's a bunch of crossover. Some artists who were traditionally known for live instruments are incorporating samples and sample based producers are including more live instruments. I'm not mad at either way. It's all about creating good music.
@@BackToTheBoomBap As someone who spends a lot of time putting images to hip-hop, it sounds weird but I feel like sample based music is the only limitless genre. A good producer is like their own orchestra.
@@aatip7721 Que? I know I might not write my thoughts very straight forward but…
the difference is cut&paste vs generating the source yourself (much like in visual arts - collage vs painting&drawing from scratch)
most people don't think or care about it, but those that can/do will know
@@shaft9000 As someone who draws, paints and edits, not only do not understand sampling music you don’t understand those either.
There is no sourceless art.
MR. WILLIAMS I AGREE U HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD WITH THAT STATEMENT!
Production is not a matter of difficulty but inspiration. If you’re inspired, rock out. But if you sample, skip on the bread too.
9th wonder was the producer to show me the importance of music theory and learning music theory in sampling a loong time ago and it’s something o think about to this day when I dabble in beats
Back in the '80s in the 90s the pioneers had it easy, if I was so fresh everything was there for the taking. Fast forward to 2022 it feels like almost everything has been done. Hard to be a pioneer of anything these days.
sampling is deffinately an art as a Dj and producer and to bring music that most cats would NEVER HEAR, not too mention the 'remix factor, looping it, getting it to sound right, I started as a turntablist sampler, i play keys and am a full on producer now but the sp505 groove sampling workstation taught me how to WAVE EDIT which is kind of necessary in DAWS. I just built my EURO rack modular, and am having alot of fun Taking my music 'out of the box' before putting it back it.
Maybe I'm different but from an artistic side of things, sampling has never been that difficult to me. Whether I'm looping or Chopping I always find something to work with and make my own with it.
I think the main reason people don't really like to sample or find it "hard" is when it comes to the business side of things and clearing the sample etc...
Its literally the way you sample. Tbh I always liked sampling to where you can't tell its from the original. The puffy way of sampling was never something I liked. I dig the page and the content. I just subscribed. 🙌🏼💯
Thanks! Yeah Puff was going for the radio hits.
Man, I hate how Puff had his guys looping up stuff. But… some of the Hitmen put in that work! 💪🏾
@@jjbing3 No doubt. Definitely Nasheim Myrick, D-Dot and I think there was a dude named Amen-Ra. They made 🔥 sometimes.
When I was using an SK-1 it was tedious without midi.. When I got on the Mirage it was chop city. Once i got the EPS 16 plus i quit sampling. But when I got on the MPC 2000...game over. Nowadays I sample myself cause im actually a keyboard player.
I agree with this because as a producer not every sample you gonna find that works and it takes a ton of digging and creativity to make it your own and sound different
Sampling is most definitely an inifinite artform, but I'd argue that pulling a song out of thin air is even more infinite..hence relatively more impressive for one to pull off something truly original that has strong staying power. As clever as one may be in getting the most out of samples and make an amazing track that not just anyone could pull off, *the more basic* examples of sampling do rest very heavily on existing songs and don't bring but so much to the table. Like, oh wow you took the chorus, pitched it up, put drums underneath, and looped it over the whole track...
Woe is me to say so without any experience but I can't imagine that *BASIC sampling* is all that hard, but as is the case with creating anything, doing so in such a way that it runs deep in a less predictable yet cohesive way is a very difficult thing to master. Kanye's Good Life is a great example of sampling that's far from basic - it's a full on production that uses PYT unlike anyone else would've thought of. Even more impressive is when producers interweave the sampling of multiple songs onto a single track and do so seamlessly
Music isn't supposed to be impressive in the method though, its meant to be felt. 99% of listeners don't think about how it was created, and don't care how, they just want to feel the music
I totally understand but as an instrumentalist, me playing chords or patterns on piano or guitar(after almost 20 years) is literally as easy for me as talking. It’s much easier for me to sit down and record 4 tracks on guitar bass drums etc than it is for me to chop a sample. I started sampling about 4 years ago and even now some of my favorite sample based beats probably seem simple to most people but the ability to use a critical ear to create the most cohesive sound possible is the true skill!
@@95leo Same here, I played trumpet and classical guitar, went to music school as a kid taking theory lessons and playing it all types of bands. I was drawn to turntablism and through that to sampling and beat making, and it presented challenges that playing instruments did not. It is a lot easier when you know what you're doing, and have no limitations as far as note, duration, arrangement to fill the spectrum (deciding which instrument to fill the upper octave, same for lower etc) than it is to chop and layer samples, creating something else with them. I dropped the instruments and stuck to beat making and engineering because of the challenge it provided.
Another thing people often forget, is that sampling affected and influenced the way people now play instruments, playing styles on anything from drums, to melodic instruments, have changed and developed through hearing how samples have been programmed. That 'rub', the push and pull etcs have gotten exaggerated in some musicians playing styles as a direct result of sampling's influence.
Though I get what you're saying to some extent, and agree with some points you make, I'd argue that 1: nothing at this point is "truly original", just mutations of things that have already existed (I advise anyone to watch Everything is a Remix 2015 Remastered on UA-cam), and 2: anyone who is well versed in sound design knows that you can literally make any sound into another sound; this being the core idea for Additive synthesis.
Sure, you can say sample is super simple, but in the same breath, a large amount of popular music is based off the same exact chord progression; can you say doing so is truly original? Aren't those songs just sampling in a sense? The same way* there are basic examples of sampling, there are plenty of examples of minimalism in music as well that anyone can play with minimal effort. Just to piggy back on your Good Life point, another example of sampling being an art at full display is looking at Kanye's Devil in a new Dress, flipped by B!NK: the original source material comes from a Smokey Robinson song (i think name of the song is will you love me tomorrow); but I would bet everything that Smokey, Motown or anyone else NEVER would've thought to flip the song in the way B!NK did. It's truly making the song your own.
My point isn't to try and debate you or disagree with you, I just think the general perception of sampling is too skewed as a non creative endeavor and the reasonings for it doesn't hold up when applied to forms of creativity that are deemed acceptable; I just saw an opportunity to compare the 2 mediums. You can be as super creative or as unoriginal with live instruments just like you can be with sampling
@@SwiftDreamer Well said
this channel is gold
sampling is hard because did it for tracklib contest and at first it was frustrating to because like he said you gotta find certain parts to put together top make a song but now I love it
I am going to teach myself how to sample and make my own beats here soon. Anything worth doing is always going to be a tad bit difficult.
Dilla forever!!!!!
I play keys and guitar and I still sample. I tell ppl all the time, sampling ain’t nothing but having access to session musicians.
I guess I'm talented af because I've never found it hard to take something else, change it, and make it mine.
I guess you are.
Sound solid thanks for expanding my view
"Just make heat!"... I completely understood that
ITS EASY FOR HIM TO SAY THAT AFTER SH*TTING ON PRODUCERS WHO DONT SAMPLE
"Rap is an art you can't own no loops. It's how you hook it up and the rhyme style troop" - Guru (Gang Starr - Take It Personal)
I’m very appreciative of coming across your UA-cam channel and I greatly appreciate the info that you’re giving out wish your channel all the best.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate you saying that and I'm glad that you enjoy my content. 👊
Johnny J was a BEAST With that SP1200. RIP
Absolutely!! Like you say, it’s not the physical aspect of sampling that’s hard. That’s just recording sound. The part that takes skill is hearing sounds that will work together and making them 🔥🔥🔥. Not everyone can do that just like not everyone can play traditional instruments.
This is beautiful, 9th been my main inspiration for beat making. Also , music is music, hip hop is birthed from sampling respect and appreciate how far the culture has taken it. Because sampling has been here long before hip hop.
I love hip hop to the core and I have so much respect for 9th wonder, but that reasoning he gave about someone coming up with the C and the piano and it’s the same as his drum-pad is absolute nonsense. Sampling is an art form and is amazing when it’s beautifully done… you said that it hard and that subjective …. You said someone people think its “uncreative” and while it isn’t always in many many cases it can be. Some producers rely HEAVILY on “sampling” to get recognition, sales, audience approval (there’s nothing wrong with any of that) …. Some producers create from the sounds in their heads and come up with fresh arrangements for the same things …. I think the latter is a bit more difficult and requires a little more “elbow grease” (I’m comparing great samples and great records) …. A simple way of me expressing my view would be to say I love 9th Wonder and respect his musical talent…. But not as much as I do Prince…. It’s just a deeper connection to something that from him and that he expresses with echoing someone else’s feelings …. Is it better overall? In a lot of cases YES … and in SOME cases the sample is better but that’s not standard… thank you for the video. Peace
Tracklib is da BOMB.....
Its the whole sampling process from the record player to the finshing loop thats hard. Its basically 70-80% of your beats identity
he's 100% correct. I can play 10 instruments very well and still have a song that's garbage.
You can also sample 10 songs very well and still have a song that's garbage
You just admitted that composing good music with real instruments is as difficult as sampling well.
Really...????...What 10 instruments di you play very well...??
@@freein2339 I get it you studied music can read music can play it’s all good but the facts remain for every song that was a top 10 where instruments were played there was a song that tanked where instruments were played. Remember disco duck lol?
@@thaiboxing67 There are tons of music that didn't sell , that's a fact that goes back 100 years so what's your point..?...Now what 10 instruments do you play very well....or are you just lying...??
I can relate to a lot of what's said as a dnb-head and occasional producer. When I was in high school there were all kinds of guys who were like "Isn't electronic music when someone has absolutely no talent whatsoever, can't play an instrument, they push a few buttons on a computer, and the song writes itself?". They've never tried actually going through all the buzzy crap most synths or even romplers have. They've never tried EQ'ing let along mixing or mastering. They could ask Hive, who was a drummer. His take was that making drum n bass tracks was much harder than playing the drums. I think at the end of the day people just want to mess with each other and they know ignorant comments will get a reaction.
Hard and heavy in the pocket after clearance too
He talks about J dilla sampling the end of some 7 minute song which may be boring to listen to, highlighting his integrity etc. J dilla probably just looked at the record and recognized the instrumental breakdown from looking at the groove difference of the record and went straight to that part for the sample. You can actually see 'breaks' on vinyl.
Let me Blow your mind... Every Kick drum cam from sampled songs except the ones from synthesizers. Every snare and hat too
I tell my nephews every day.."if we don't come up with some new notes...there ain't gonna be "NO" new music!" But..... There's one way we make NEW music everyday..........
Thank you ✊🏾
@@RussellKendrick-qh6nz you're welcome! Glad people are still watching my videos. I wrote the script to this video in black ink on a notebook. I felt like 9th Wonder was on to something with his views on sampling, I just want to expand on it.
I LOVE to find samples. I was always good at listening to a sample and identifing it! I'd be IMG I KNOW THAT BEAT!!😳😅
Producers don't have the burden of paying TO sample for the beat, the artists knows from the jump if he like the beat HE has to get it cleared after he purchases the beat
Sampling definitely takes skill & deserves respect.
Pete Rock, DJ Premier, Dr Dre, 9th Wonder, Just Blaze, early Kanye, J-Dilla, Large Professor, Marley Marl, Erick Sermon have mastered sampling and have given us some of the best rap music of all time.
People who says sampling is easy don't understand anything about how beats are made, good beats, that people actually will appreciate.
It's a lot easier than actually playing an instrument....dont you agree
@@freein2339 You don't get the point. There is no difference in spending x amount of time learning to get good at making beats and learning to get good at playing an instrument.
@@noahwig500 Have you ever learned how to play an instrument...???...No you have not so let me know when you do...
@@freein2339 The whole science of making a beat including all the gear you have to use, the programming of drums, slicing and chopping of samples, mixing etc is in itself an instrument. It is as endless of an art as it is to play an "actual" instrument. Don't you agree?
@@freein2339 I could have chosen the route to play an instrument in a band, its all well and good. But i like making beats so thats what i did.
9th was 100% on-point. I fortunately have the priviledge of being both a Jazz Composer AND a Beatsmith so I can objectively weigh both points-of-view. Great video, Bruh! Keep the good content coming!
@@JanWynd thanks so much. It's definitely controversial. I don't want sampling to become a lost art. It's not as popular with today's music producers.
@@BackToTheBoomBap I feel you completely. Ima be a sampler until I"m 6 feet under, ..Straight up. Nothin in this world like the treasure hunt of finding that 5-second melodic Jewel inside of a 7-minute-long composition. We are an esoteric rare breed and that is what makes Us & 9th/ & this artform special. Those that dont understand it dont understand HipHop. Peace...
And this is why 9th Wonder is a college professor. He's the truth!
Facts, people think 💭 it’s just doing a loop and throwing some drums on it but it’s far more than that.
It’s an art for sure when it comes to sampling and flipping
It’s easy now I don’t know how to work an MPC but it still takes work to chop and more importantly find the sounds from mp3 it’s just the new vinyl…I’ve embraced it by now
I'm one of those cats who can flip a sample and play keys when I have to. Sampling is art, no doubt. I think it's all a matter of preference and the feelings you'd like to convey from your project. 9th is right about the origin of the sound. However, playing keys and making your own melodies as a producer just gives you more creative control. I cannot get a sync license with a loop or sample in my composition. We all know who makes all the revenue on "Gangsta's Paradise" or "I'll be Misding You" of Diddy. Composing imo will give you a bit of an edge depending on what your goal is.
Listening to the likes of a Dilla, P.Rock, Da Bomb Squad, its like listening to a good lyricists. You find something new everything you listening.
Dr Dre stepped away from his Wreck Cru style music to start sampling music with his NWA debut albums and see what those albums accomplished!!! Straight Fire!!
9th Wonder is a BEAST when it comes to beatmaking and he appreciates sampling to the fullest!!!
Even Dr dre used other people produce and took credit that’s why pac didn’t fw him
Anti sampling crowds are racist as hell too, lots of us didn't grow up with the money for instruments and lessons, or were pressured by our families to focus on academics...sampling gave us the ability to create entire songs with a record player and a beat machine, or nowadays even an mp3 and a program. Plus theres the respect it gives to the greats of past eras. If we continued classic era hip hop on a mainstream level, it would do far more to keep classic Black music in the general consciousness, sampling rare cuts off Marvin Gaye instead of just relying on the next big movie to play "Ain't no mountain high enough" for the millionth time in film history. I'm a fan of digging through discographies and discovering overlooked artists BECAUSE of hip hop. I'm a fan of jazz because of hip hop! Anti sampling sentiment is destroying the dynamic we were gifted by the golden era. Don't trust those foos.
People don't sample because it's a headache financially & legally, not because it's hard. The fact that it costs upwards of 2k too clear a sample doesn't get enough air time in this conversation. For producers starting out that's the biggest deterrent. I, and I believe pretty much any producer, would be happy to split the publishing of their records if it didn't cost 2-10k to simply get the rights to use a piece of music in the first place: which if they're true diggers they've technically already paid for buy purchasing the record.
Sampling is an art …when you can take a record chop it up and make a 🔥 beat ….that’s an art
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I've been playing music for over 40 years and I was a music teacher but I am new to sampling. It is definitely hard as hell to make it sound good and make it work. It's like learning a new instrument.
I feel the same way. It's definitely a skillset to develop.
I produce music-
I do what I wanna do - period !!!!!
It's so fun to sample
I completely agree. I struggle to make dope sample beats. Making beats from scratch is easier for sure
Some of 9ths beats are literally just sample loops. So idk about saying that its super hard.
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A good sample can live in your head forever and take a song from "good" to "untouchable". But let's not BLATANTLY lie to ourselves....😄 if you are comparing a trained voice singing a melody (chopped or not) to a single key.... you...are...TRIPPIN'!! The most unfair comparison I've ever heard. Everything you have to do to a sample song to make it great, you must ALSO do to a song without one. Only you don't have a built in hook, topic, progression, or tone to set it off when you don't have a sample. Sampling is an art! But don't EVER tell a mason or carpenter that building a prefab house is more difficult.
AND... I say this as I study with 9th Wonder's Zion V ironically playing in the background.
What about when someone takes piano keys on a record, rearranges them into a new melody. That is still music. Whether you touch a key or click a button. It’s still sound and just as creative as using an instrument. You’re still experimenting with a piano, whether it was pre recorded or not. You’re taking soemthing and then making soemthing new out of it. That is alchemy. Just straight looping with not many changes is different.
This topic got me thinking about how Wu Tang made their songs by sampling from Kung Fu flicks. I don't remember the details, but it was really hard to do it at the time. Also I feel for talented people who are good at sampling but risk legal issues. Samples help people look for the original song and expand their taste in music by looking into the past and buying that original soundtrack. It's technically a win win for everyone when you think about it.
I agree. It's way easier to create something than to recreate something.
Heat is heat…. Sample or not. If you know what you doing.. you can make a banger. Period.
I don't consider myself a "tinky-tinky" prod maker... I try to find a unique style and flow of the progression. I do like sampling too. Big big love to 9th wonder he has alotta wisdom and he's one of my favorite Producers of all time. Up there with Special Herbs and J Dilla's work. Big ups for this video.
Sampling is EXTREMELY easy and it is so due to one word; CREATIVITY! One of the reasons why music is lacking it's luster across all genres today is due to ok lack of creativity when it comes to music! We used to be forced to take a music class in elementary school and even had the option of taking music appreciation as an elective in college. Now music is almost non-existent in schools thus choking out creativity in children! If you are a music historian ( in this case that means anyone who has a vast knowledge of many different genres of music) you SHOULD be able to sample any type of music and also do it very well! Those who practice should be able to sample in a way that no one would be able to recognize the sample even those with a trained ear! Most don't sample because they're lazy and not creative, not because it's hard! Sampling is so easy that all of the work was done with the Casio mini keyboard on The loop option! Remember that piece of major equipment of the 80's?
You don’t have to hide the original song I enjoy it when someone takes a track I like and puts a different spin on it but still has parts of the original too, there are many ways to sample and if it sounds good after who cares 👍🏻
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Ik this is a boombap channel but Pierre Bourne flipping Jodeci's "What About Us" on R.I.P and Gina Thompson's "The Things You Do" on Drake and Chill are some of the best examples of sampling I've heard. The way that Pierre made a completely different sound off of those samples shows how sampling can push any beat further, No matter the genre.
I'm glad you mentioned that. I'm thinking about talking about hip-hop/r&b. I always loved that Gina Thompson joint