Kan man træne en Labrador hvalp til at aflevere perfekt til hånd på 1 time?
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Dette er Ravensbank Bob der som hvalp bliver trænet til at kunne noget helt basalt som en jagthund bare skal kunne. Komme op til dig - aflevere sit vildt - og indtage udgangsstilling. Højre pote på min venstre sko er en lille bonus :-)
awesome video. wish there was sound though!
Thanks Rane - See above
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fantastic job of shaping. i would've liked sound, as well, to understand your timing better. thanks for sharing!!
Thanks Jeff - this might help you better. Same dog but only focus on the start position.
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Thank you for showing us what you did, but I think you skipped over a number of crucial steps. How are we supposed to understand how you went from free shaping to delivery to hand? Nothing was made clear.
Jayce - thanks for your comment, which makes perfect sense. The video doesn't do a good job in clarifying the training. Since I published this video I have for myself made a more detailed playlist of videos from training another young dog. I have just put that on public, and I think you will find that this explains things more step-by-step:
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This video also has sound :-)
Let me know what you think. Thanks again for taking time to comment.
Very impressive. Thank you very much for sharing!
May I ask please, how reliable is your dog in delivering to hand? In a real hunting situation, how reliable would he be? Here in Canada, most serious hunters all use Force Fetch on their gun dogs. They believe it is the only way to make sure the dog retrieves to hand every single time. I loved the step by step progress you showed in your play list. Bravo!
Thanks again Jayce - that is truly a great question! The field-trial Labrador Retriever has been bred in the UK since the 1880ies to serve as retrievers at estate shoots. You shouldn't confuse this type of Labrador with the show type, which is a much later type of Lab, bred for exterior rather than work. There are other types of Labrador which share very little but the name with their British cousins.
I know that you have an interest in dog breed evolution:
www.drumlanrigcastle.co.uk/field-sports/buccleuch-gundogs/history-of-the-buccleuch-labrador/
and let me also recommend this lovely book:
www.amazon.com/Working-Labrador-David-Hudson/dp/1840372524
Today the Working / Field trialing Lab is the most commonly used retrieving gundog in many parts of Europe but of course by far the most commonly used retriever in the UK. This is because it is calm by nature, easy to train and still a wonderful companion who is so easy to be around. The British even talk about the "will-to-please" of their Labradors which of course is a quite controversial phaenomenon. We do train and use our dogs as workers in the shooting season but we and our families enjoys our dogs as pets all year.
To answer your question: The whole point about bringing a skilled retriever into the shooting grounds is that he can hunt down and retrieve the *wounded* birds. Any dog can pick a dead bird and eventually bring it to his handler. I absolutely don't want my dog to drop a bird as he comes out of water (no shaking!), as he jumps a fence, as he runs through cover, as he passes another wounded bird flushing on the ground, and of course he should not drop the bird as he delivers to me. If the dog drops the bird, the bird has another chance to escape, making the point of bringing my dog into the shoot meaningless.
I want the dog to bring a wounded bird to my hand so that *I* can relieve that bird from its sufferings. The dog should be soft mouthed, and shouldn't damage the bird, since each and every bird should find its way to someones dinner table.
Once these dogs have undergone proper training they are 100% dependable retrievers. Actually I will claim that the easy part is to have the dog deliver to hand. From being rewarded as a young dog, the dog has learned that the safe delivery is the firm criteria. Running the last few meters towards you and putting the bird into your hand is what makes the success. And fundamentally my dogs love me. The only expect the best from me.
The difficult thing is to to train the dog to come out of ice cold water with the not-so-co-operative wounded bird, and *not* shaking to drop the bird. Not to mention having the dog to control its impulses when it passes another wounded bird with a retrieved one in its mouth. Stress levels during the shoot are extreme. E.g. have a look at this:
ua-cam.com/video/5HJOvpgYW3s/v-deo.html
It is tempting, but I won't debate force-fetch.
In my mind the fundamental difference between force-fetch and shaping doesn't lie in the result, e.g. the dog being consistently able to deliver to hand. The question is, if the productive result comes from whether the dog is trying to *avoid* something or the dog is trying to *achieve* something. And ultimately the question is: What kind of dog do you want?
Søren
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Thank you so much for your generous response! I agree with you. However, in the great playlist you shared, you begin to see the pup present to hand, no chewing, no playing keep away, etc. But how exactly did you get there? One video he is not delivering to hand and then he is. Part of the issue with FF vs PR is that there is very few, step by step, very clear process, to teach a reliable hold. Especially in video format, which is why what you are doing is so valuable. I have a Deutche Drahthaar pup. He heels well, very cooperative and retrieves all day long, comes back to be every time, but will not deliver to hand yet, he spits it out and chews it at my feet. I want to avoid FF if I can help it.
This video: ua-cam.com/video/chooBxSAe-w/v-deo.html
This is the closet I can find to a step step method in a video, but I am skeptical that reverse luring will work with high driven gundog. Why would he give up the fetch toy for a treat? My pup is too absorbed in the toy/dummy in his mouth.
Are you using the focussed heel to lead the pup to deliver to hand? Looks like that maybe what happened or did I miss something? Thank you sir!