just remember guys, since you guys are a very important channel in the electric vehicle community and increasingly popular in the engineering space, you will have companies and communities that will hire bots or paid people to comment under videos. Don't take every comment too seriously and keep up the integrity and we will keep watching.
@@mekkakame Well first your talking about about apples and oranges a bit. two separate companies with massive social media money. Also they probably cut down on cost by paying third party bots and services. This is a well known thing in the industries as well. Their have been multiple studies semi- confirming the fact as well.
@Inthe Flow Yes, do you honestly think it's out of the realm of possibility? Creating a bot isn't hard and having enough computing power to create strong attacks isn't costly. I doubt they do it themselves though since there are probably third parties that do this and it would be smart of auto makers to share cost. Also you said make ev's look bad when they could use the potential to make themselves see as momentum drivers.
That's normally how it does in company, when the people who keep say no leaves or dies. Of course the person replace them might be a no person as well.
Die or get promoted away. There are people who are the "key" initiator of certain kinds of thinking. If the groupthink in your organization is heavily ingrained, then the people that worked with the person that originated the thinking have to move on also.
This seems like a decent car. Well done FORD. The long distance challenge in Norway by Björn Nyland also proved Mach E has great range and charging. Good news.
Yes. I honestly think Ford has a best chance of any US legacy OEM to successfully navigate the transition to EV, given what this teardown has shown. Ford is upping Mach E and F-150 lightning production while GM is basically recalling every EV they have ever built.
Sandy, the heavy aluminum subframe cradle on the Mache E is engineered to be heavy. It dampens and absorbs motor vibration and road noises. Cast aluminum are also stiffer, providing better handling performance. If I have to choose between a light weight steel vs the heavier aluminum, I would pick the heavier aluminum. On sports cars applications, people are able to retrofit cast aluminum subframe from another car onto their existing car that came with the steel subframe. The difference is noticeable in that the aluminum feels a lot stiffer and more solid.
My only problem with this aluminum rear cradle is corrosion resistance, much rather have steel in the northern climates where road salt eats everything, steel seems to have an edge over the aluminum.
Great summary from Sandy and Ben. Thgey are teaching the automotive/EV world how to, as the character in The Martian said, "engineer the S#!T out of this thing"! Ben is really stepping up his on-camera game. Always useful & important things to say.
Your tear downs are great and unbiased. Hopefully helps all the manufacturers. No more oil filters in land fills. Nice to fill up at home with solar panels. Nice to have competitive battery storage against fossil fuels electricity production. Car batteries bringing down Grid storage batteries costs. Storage batteries allow wind and solar at night!
Sandy frequently mixes up gross and net usable kWh's when comparing vehicles. The Mach e std range is 75.7 kWh gross, 68 net. The VW is 82 kWh gross, 77 net. The VW is more efficient in miles/kWh than the Mach e, both in gross and net usable kWh.
Well another excellent diagnosis of a product that shows what American Engineer's can do if they are permitted to move their idea's along. As Sandy explained in many previous video's the Old school thinking GUY's at FORD have passed away and finally those new idea's are allowed to flourish. Thanks for the forward thinking and moving in the right direction Sandy! You took the bull by the horns and started your own Engineering firm. Without this individual the world would be a much poorer place. Personally I am a fan of Dr. E. Deming a powerhouse of ingenuity and a mentor to Sandy; so happy that you listened to this great man. I am hoping that we can see more video's showing us all what the Chinese vehicles have cooking that might surprise us all. Congratulation's Sandy and the team at Munro & Associates keeping us all entertained and motivated with your "avant guard" attitude towards explaining everything in layman's terms.
Thanks for all of your hard work Sandy and team. We live in an amazing time, we have engineers who are willing to give away their time and experiance for free. Keep up the awesome stuff!
As much as I obsess over cars' weight, it doesn't matter as much for BEVs' efficiency as with ICE cars, if most BEV braking is regenerative. The higher CdA of the non-Tesla crossovers really needs the most improvement, but that's on the designers.
When FMC purchased the Mach-E rear electric motor from Borg-Warner and the front one from Magna, did FMC specify the design and assembly or just the required output?
Probably my favorite video you have released. I have watched all your videos and often tell friends and relatives to check you out. Keep up the amazing work!! The vehicle comparison towards the end of the vehicle was excellent. Honestly you guys should do short videos and releasing a comparison chart with 5 minutes of discussion breaking it down could be a huge hit. Unfortunately many people may not able to watch your longer videos, though as far as I am concerned the longer the better!! Keep the content coming guys.
There are very few places were we can get truthful information. Thank you for being an outlet for truth and honesty. I hope these various automakers are really listening to what Munro and Associates is telling them.
Say's the one who fave is under investigation by the NATSA for that same reason. Crashing into emergency vehicle then bursting into flames that the fireman couldn't even put out. 🤔😲
Another great clip. Someone needs to tell old mate that static from a human can fry a circuit board. Obviously Sandy knows that because he picked up the circuit board by the non conductive connector.. Go Sandy!!
Thanks for the update. I'll probably get flamed for saying this, however, I think GM has a headstart against Ford & Chrysler. They came out recently with the Volt in 2011 and the Bolt in 2018, long before Ford had any kind of electric offering. I think Sandy is not a fan of the Volt, but I've owned mine since 2013 and it's the best car I've ever owned and I have owned several. Just saying. No range anxiety. Old technology now, but it's been all over the US. 100K miles and It still charges to 40 miles. It is rated for 38 miles brand new. 38 miles per gallon fuel economy. Best of both worlds. When and if I do upgrade to full BEV, not sure which offering to get. Your channel is the best.
Wrong, gm is dead last, EV Battery Fires 🔥 still an issue, with no FIX in sight as gm tries to get LG Chem to pay. meanwhile, gm is NOT replacing Battery. the Chevy BOLT ⚡ is GARBAGE, it's 80% made by LG Chem, and gm just assemble them , adding a Shell made with a SPARK EV Drivetrain and a body in a former SPARK car factory 🏭. It's a P O S .
GM seems to have a (geofenced) robotaxi ready to go. They apparently have received permission to operate their robos in San Francisco without safety drivers. Initial permission limits them to a 30 MPH top speed and good weather conditions. Ford can't even stay in its lane on a highway. I can see GM going bankrupt due to high debt and limited cash on hand. Then, post bankruptcy a new company named "GM' emerges that is mostly a robotaxi manufacturing and service company. Ford is in as bad, if not worse, financial shape as GM. Ford might go bankrupt and a new Ford emerge as a very much scaled down manufacturer of mostly pickups. Ford would be able to sell a "second place" battery powered pickup for several years based on brand name loyalty.
@Inthe Flow Competition should help with the offerings. Not sure how the Big 3 do their engineering, but I am guessing a lot of it is farmed out as in batteries, FSD, etc. Do you think when FSD is fully implemented, our insurance premiums are going to go down. LOL
@Inthe Flow Just kidding about insurance. It's a cash cow for the companies. They will always figure out a way to get into your pocket whether mandated or not. We are accustom to some one else doing the driving: flights, trains, buses, taxis. I am having a hard time imagining getting in my own vehicle and letting the software do the driving. Yea, I get it, a lot safer to let the software drive. "If you don't like the way I drive, stay off the sidewalks".
The first EV for Ford was the 1998 Ranger way before the Chevy Bolt or Volt. I think your information was way off and may I suggest that you Google next time for accuracy.
Regarding the comparison chart: It took me some time before I finally understood that once you achieve 2 to 3 hours of highway driving range, the recharging rate starts to be as important and maybe even more important than additional range, at least for East Coast and Central long road trips. Of course, this assumes there is a charging network that is dense enough to cover those 2-3 hr intervals and I just can't separate the car from its charging network. So, I'd like to see recharging rates in that comparison table. Great video and great channel! I'm learning a lot.
Thank you so much Sandy, I love your series on electric vehicles. I tell all my friends who like engineering to watch your channel. I can't wait to see the you break down the Chinese electric vehicles. All my friends want to see the Tesla Model S Plaid that what we are looking forward too the most. 👍😊
Maybe the motor isolators are larger to increase the contact stress area as Aluminium is less stiff, except it shouldn't have large enough forces through it to really matter?
Great job. I think it’s time to start a leaderboard of EVs, this way it’s an at a glance picture of your thoughts. Check out the old Top Gear boards…cold mediocre hot etc,
Great videos, im loving this series, I know this is more for the manufacturers to take away from, but Id love a "What can a current owner do to help, video" I assume there is not a whole lot we can do to help our range though.
Yes, because from the looks of it, Ford did do a few things really well and we need all of the ideas and competition that we can get in the West simply to just survive the tsunami from the East that Sandy keeps referencing.
@ 21:53 we learn that Ford and VW are working with LG for their battery performance. The LG is the battery that was recalled by the GM BOLT for causing spontaneous fires (not from crashes). Why wouldn't these cars that also use LG batteries be equally as dangerous?
LORDSTOWN is a FRAUD , and it's Endurance is CRAP. the HUB motors are designed for e- mobility and Electric TOYS. RIVIAN has a better PLATFORM than LORDSTOWN, but Tesla DRIVETRAIN is the MOST Advanced & MOST Efficient in the WORLD.
I think the large motor isolators on the rear subframe is due to motor higher vibrations or harmonics which means that they need to talk more to their suppliers to look into this
Regarding BlueCruise, I get the idea that this is an interim system. Ford has real self driving vehicle programs. I see their vehicles out driving all the time where I live. Ford owns a large stake in Argo AI as well. I don’t think the current BlueCruise system is based on this work. They’re probably still behind Tesla, but I’m not sure BlueCruise is intended to compete against the Tesla product; it’s basically a lane keep system. It seems more like they worked with what they had in order to get the Mach E out in time. For whatever reason, the Argo based system is not ready to integrate.
Been following this series from the start, what a great recap of all the thoughts and findings . Can't wait for the next series whatever that may be. 👍
Great summary of an interesting car. Looking at the rear seats, they don't actually look that comfy for a car that costs so much. I actually went back and looked at your first impressions video and see you said something about making them deeper. Maybe I've just been spoilt growing up with my dad having old Alfas and me now having a 2000 model Alfa 156, whose seats are amazing.
This is something I think really needs to happen. US and European legacy companies need to be shown the competition that is coming at them. At the moment it seems to me that the rapidly developing Chinese EVs are being ignored.
@@bobwallace9753 Not at all! Norway is in front of the EV revolution, but not a country where anyone would ever dream of buying a chinese car 3 years ago. Now they are entering the top 10 in sales already. This market is closely watched, and you can be damn sure E V E R Y O N E is paying notice. This is a look in to the future marketplace, no less! I have driven several of them. They aren’t there just yet. But: Watch out!..
@@markplott4820 Actually is the body and box from an F150 mounted to a completely new electric skateboard chassis that's completely different than a gasoline version. Due some research.
@@hwirtwirt4500 - its still OBSOLITE and is too HEAVY , which is why F150 EV cant tow 15,000 lbs or HAUL 3500 lbs cargo. its also Really INEFFICIENT Drivetrain. CT is Supposed to be UNDER 6,000 lbs , and it CAN Haul 3500 lbs and TOW 15,000 lbs while Traveling at 85 mph up a 5% Grade with a FULL LOAD.
@@hwirtwirt4500 - My PREDICTION is that the HUMMER EV, FUD F150 Lightweight , Chevy SILVERADO EV and Endurance are ALL GOING TO BE CRAP , RIVIAN has a good chance , they are using ADVANCED batteries like TESLA. Unfornatually , NO ONE Told gm that POUCH LION is CRAP and prone to Vehicle FIRES. Sandy Munro worked on the DODGE/RAM Vehicles making them Better, So I think Dodge/Ram has a Chance to make BETTER EV than gm & FUD motors. but, Dodge/Ram wont even come until 2025, and by that time it will be GAMEOVER. TESLA will be selling MILLIONS of Cybertrucks by then.
How will that door module fare long term? Wear and tear? Seems a potential issue for plastic getting brittle over time? I’m sure it’s engineered reinforced plastic but still… can’t help but think of potential issues w the window regulator? As someone who’s replaced several window regulators on many cars, usually it’s cause the little plastic bits that break. Don’t get me wrong though I’m all in favor for the integration of the regulator.
Now can we have a discussion about coefficient of drag. This is per unit area of the vehicle right? So a lower coefficient doesn't necessarily mean 1 vehicle is more aerodynamic overall than another ?
coming up with an EV that's affordable and pretty decent when compared to Tesla is no joke. kudos to Ford. hope they continue to innovate and consider every piece of advice from Sandy very seriously because they are on the right path and are bound to succeed if they follow this.
Sunil - FUD motors does not INNOVATIVE at all. they continue to LET someone else Engineer their EV, and use OBSOLETE parts from the FORD parts bin. In 2021 they are still doing CATALOG ENGINEERING, and they don't even make MOST of their parts.
@@sunibitsian He isnt, hes trolling. Any legacy OEM that just threw away thier parts bin would be throwing away all of the money they have invested in it. Part of the reason Ford can compete on price IS the parts bin.
@@patreekotime4578 That parts bin is both a pro and a con for surviving the transition. It seems like the amount of part over lap between models is integral to lowering cost. I would love to see something slip about cost of Mach-e or profit/loss on the sale of each vehicle.
Everything Sandy has stressed about making an ev efficient shows me that Aptera is on the right path to manufacture one of the most efficient vehicles available.
@@piyh3962 It could be worse. In the 1990s I worked on a laptop that had 128 screws on the inner cover! Then again, it was designed for tempest operation for the military and the RF shielding was insane.
Any plans on doing a cost analysis? What it actually cost Ford to produce as to what they can sell it for would give great insight as to whether or not they can even be competitive and survive.
@@hwirtwirt4500 Check out Tesla's Filings with the SEC, over 20% GP! GM, VW, Audi, etc., have publicly stated they lose money on e-cars, Ford has not yet made it "official", just wait.
@@hwirtwirt4500 Facts vs. your "hope". As for high demand, Tesla currently makes and sells more than 10x the "planned" sales of the Mach-e, which are currently only running at ~ 60% of Ford's "plan"
How about adding some real-world ranges to your chart? All of those claimed efficiencies would look very different with MYLR coming out in the 220s for range which is about 70 mpge. The only thing Tesla is efficient at is fudging EPA tests.
I get 93% of the epa rating in my MYLR and 120 MPGe. 80% of my miles are interstate miles and I have my cruise set to 10% over the speed limit. Not sure where you’re getting your 220 from. You’d have to be trying to get bad mileage to be in the 66% range you claim
I think Munro team needs to do real life energy consumption test. After owning a model 3 for 2 years, I can tell you, it won’t ever get the EPA range unless you drive under 50 mph, like a grandpa, on flat ground, in perfect weather. Other EVs are much more conservative with their EPA range calculations and you are more likely to achieve those numbers in the real world compared to Tesla. Tesla are still most efficient but EPA total range doesn’t tell the whole story.
@@bluetoad2668 Manufacturers test according to EPA standards but they decide what the final number is and most of them choose to be conservative and low-ball the number. Tesla was first and decided to report the best case scenario.
@@DK-pr9ny they don’t pad anything. They are using methodologies provided by the EPA, and EPA confirms their estimates. The problem is EPA’s 5 cycle method isn’t very realistic.
Range is only one component of rapidity of transport, in other words, how quickly can it get me to where I want to go. Another component is charging speed, which can vary widely based on the charging curves of each vehicle, not just their peak charging speed. Other components are range and mechanical efficiency. A good test of Rapidity of Transport (ROT) would be how quickly can a vehicle go 1000 miles at a specified sustained speed (75 MPH?). ROT would take account of drag, mechanical efficiency, peak charging rate and overall charging speed.
Getting rid of the side mirrors and make all fords 360 cameras,and use a heads up display to show what’s in the lane. This will also reduce mirror weight with 3 wires wires in the 510 & 4/5 wires for the passengers connectors. All you would need is a wing large enough to go around the camera on drivers side and temp sensor camera on the passengers 610 connector
It’s actually not very objective since Tesla uses a more EPA test cycles than the others which gives them a better end result. The actual gap in range and efficiency is smaller than this chart lets on. A real objective test would have sandy run all cars on a dynamometer to determine range and efficiency for himself.
Regarding Mach e weight reduction: I went back on Munro's Mach e and ID.4 videos and looked at Munro's charts on the Mach e and ID.4 pack weights. The Mach e pack was 485 kg, ID.4 was 489 kg. And note on my other comment that Mach e has 68 kWh usable vs ID.4's 77 kWh usable. VW got 77 kWh of usable kWh - about 9 kWh more than the Mach e - with just 4 more kg of weight. So to lightweight the Mach e, Ford first should negotiate using a downsized ID.4 pack that can deliver 68 kWh usable. Ford already has a deal to use VW's MEB platform for their European products. According to my calcs, that would be a 72 kWh gross ID.4 pack, and if VW can keep the gross wh/kg ratio constant, it would weigh 429 kg. So Ford could remove about 55 kg, or 123 lb, just by switching to VW for a pack. And it would fit in the Mach e body opening, as Munro's ID.4/Mach e comparison video showed the Mach e pack lid had a 20% larger footprint than the ID.4's. And elevation views of both packs suggested the ID.4's pack was a little thinner. And it would charge faster. Fast charging tests have shown the ID.4 charges to 80% a lot faster than the Mach e.
you could make wing mirrors a perfect teardrop shape by making the tail part from the mirror back out of clear plastic. cd of the mirror then would be 0.08 instead of around 0.5.
Thank you for the excellent work :) Tesla simply cannot meet demand even with 50-60% production growth per year. We need the OEM to step up to fill the demand gap, as after 2025 no one in the right mind will want an ICE. There will be a huge shortage of EV production by then Hope Ford can take your suggestions to heart and get going in improvement Thanks again for your excellent work
@@lengould9262 fully agree. It is hard to get enough chips, but even harder to get enough batteries. Somewhere around 2028 batteries will become plentiful. There will be a low for 3 ish years that everyone will want an EV but there will simply not enough batteries.
Very interesting video. One question, it seems like you’re giving away a lot of what you do for free to the OEM‘s. I know it’s general information and not specific but do these companies come back to you for additional information?
Are those bigger dampers on Ford because they have vibration/torque ripple problems mitigating from the motor to the car frame? Induction motor not so sensitive for the ripple tha PM with magnets (if designed poorly + poor control).0
sat in one for NDEW. it sucks. the back seat is microscopic and the rear windows are impossible to sea out of. can't wait to drive one, but i wish Ford had just made an electirc Edge or Explorer GT
Ford can't complain about 2nd place for their first true EV. They have to be very happy with this Wrap Up overall. Sandy, I will tell you on miles per charge, I am getting over 10% more than Ford's 270 mile range on my Premium AWD Ext Range MachE. I am averaging about 305 miles.
Love your work Sandy and team. My big issue is price. Tesla Model Y is from $64k-$74k depending on if you have the performance spec or not. I included the autopilot in the quote, would be $54k without autopilot. When compared to say an Ioniq 5 which qualifies for the $7500 tax credit, you are looking at $10-30k in savings. Cost at least for most Americans is a factor. Tesla is a luxury brand and not a car made for the masses. I look forward to cars from Toyota, Hyundai, and Kia, OEMs that build cars that last forever, are affordable and have a dealer network standing behind the product for when things do go wrong.
WRONG, Tesla model 3 SR+ is the same price as GAS in the same segment, and NOW Tesla is offering Model 3 SR+ with a CHINA made LFP pack by CATL. Tesla is going to 100% LFP battery for ALL Short Range and STANDARD models that are NOT Long Range, NICKEL 2170 are still Superior for Long Range & Towing. and Tesla in China has already built a Prototype model 2, due to go on SALE in end of 2022 for $23,000. LEGACY auto is FCUKED.
the Ford aluminum cradle just put the Mach-E high on my list for next new car. yes, the thermal management system needs some work, but I live in Michigan and steel just can't hold up to road salt. Also, the aluminum body is the only reason I bought an F-150 a few years ago. The only thing that I need to see before I buy an EV is a simulated 30 year electronics corrosion test, especially the battery. Also, my family keeps cars for 400,000+ miles, so I would need a car thats batteries have a 200,000 mile warranty and cost less than $5000 to replace.
This is all very, very interesting. Especially the disparity in key metrics for cars that on the surface should be the same. It will be very interesting to see how things progress per model, and in the sales race over the next 5-10 years. Will Ford's share price race ahead ?
Big fan of Ben. I know he seems stressed at times but he’s very knowledgeable and one of my favorites. They all are for different reasons. I would want to share a different meal with each of them. Super curious which EV Ben drives or wants to drive.
Complements to Sandy on his knowledge. I'm a big fan of him. A few points to consider: #1 reliability. Numerous problems with Ford Mach E future reliability exists. Sandy's favorite door locks, are a terrible idea. I had another type of Ford Electric vehicle go Battery Dead in the Dealer Lot w/no way to get into it. We had to go thru the trunk which still had a lock system to gain access. Still the entire car was DOA. Sandy, what happens when eventually the car loses battery power??? Also, all the cheap plastic parts for weight savings. The door panel is going to fail in just a few years in Southern USA heat. Ford already has a massive problem with cheap plastic gears and pulleys in all the Ford Expeditions and other Ford vehicles with the Air Cond. air direction boxes under the dash. They don't open and repair requires complete removal of the dash at high costs. Further, all the pipes, hose, etc. in the Mach E. They will all eventually leak and fail. Also, remember: aluminum is totally incompatible with stray electric currents. Which are prevalent in battery packs, i.e., electric connection points, cooling leaks, etc. Aluminum turns to dust (aluminum oxide) when electrical currents pass over them and there is surface moisture. Coated aluminum protection only lasts a few years. Building a successful car is not about a 1 or 3 year life span. The average age of US Cars July 2021 was 10.2 years. None of these plastic parts will last that long. Making all of these type vehicles throw aways in 5 years or less. Which is the actual projected life of the LG batteries too.
Ben has realy raised his on-camera game in the last few weeks. Way to go bro.
Thanks
Yes I thught so too. Ben brought it with confidence this time. It was a good video.
20% of the experience gives 80% of the benefit
*BEN* taking 4 HITS of *SANDYs* cheap brandy.. Relaxed!
Good work Ben. Keep at it!
just remember guys, since you guys are a very important channel in the electric vehicle community and increasingly popular in the engineering space, you will have companies and communities that will hire bots or paid people to comment under videos. Don't take every comment too seriously and keep up the integrity and we will keep watching.
If companies are spending time and energy on gaming social media comments, they’re spending all the wrong resources on all the wrong places.
@@mekkakame Well first your talking about about apples and oranges a bit. two separate companies with massive social media money. Also they probably cut down on cost by paying third party bots and services. This is a well known thing in the industries as well. Their have been multiple studies semi- confirming the fact as well.
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@Inthe Flow Yes, do you honestly think it's out of the realm of possibility? Creating a bot isn't hard and having enough computing power to create strong attacks isn't costly. I doubt they do it themselves though since there are probably third parties that do this and it would be smart of auto makers to share cost. Also you said make ev's look bad when they could use the potential to make themselves see as momentum drivers.
Apparently if you want to improve your design and someone higher up says no you just have to wait for them to die.
That's the rule of legacy corporations
That's normally how it does in company, when the people who keep say no leaves or dies. Of course the person replace them might be a no person as well.
Die or get promoted away. There are people who are the "key" initiator of certain kinds of thinking. If the groupthink in your organization is heavily ingrained, then the people that worked with the person that originated the thinking have to move on also.
Not at Tesla
It happens a lot of places, including academia at times.
Thank you guys. I learned a lot and really appreciate your work efforts. God bless all your endeavours.
Thanks for watching!
I like the way the Mach e looks, and through these series of videos convinced me that it is a well built car.
This seems like a decent car. Well done FORD. The long distance challenge in Norway by Björn Nyland also proved Mach E has great range and charging. Good news.
Yes. I honestly think Ford has a best chance of any US legacy OEM to successfully navigate the transition to EV, given what this teardown has shown. Ford is upping Mach E and F-150 lightning production while GM is basically recalling every EV they have ever built.
sandy has been throwing softballs at ford because ford paid for this and is looking to partner so there has been almost no criticism
On/Off ramps...YES! I tell everyone - there isn't a merge I can't make with my M3. The ability to scoot hard when you need to is priceless!
Sandy, the heavy aluminum subframe cradle on the Mache E is engineered to be heavy. It dampens and absorbs motor vibration and road noises. Cast aluminum are also stiffer, providing better handling performance. If I have to choose between a light weight steel vs the heavier aluminum, I would pick the heavier aluminum. On sports cars applications, people are able to retrofit cast aluminum subframe from another car onto their existing car that came with the steel subframe. The difference is noticeable in that the aluminum feels a lot stiffer and more solid.
My only problem with this aluminum rear cradle is corrosion resistance, much rather have steel in the northern climates where road salt eats everything, steel seems to have an edge over the aluminum.
But Ben got to do his "Mach-E Ride & Drive" using a custom bucket seat!
Ben probably noticed a lot of wind noise for some reason
@@lenimbery7038 Also "Door is Ajar", "Fasten Seat Belt", etc. warnings/alarms!
Whoever had an idea to do the final Teardown wrap-up episode should get a pat on the back... or at least an extra hour for lunch
I concur! I would also recommend @MunroLive doing a 'listicle' type summary video like 10 Things Every Engineer Can Do to Design Better
Great summary from Sandy and Ben. Thgey are teaching the automotive/EV world how to, as the character in The Martian said, "engineer the S#!T out of this thing"! Ben is really stepping up his on-camera game. Always useful & important things to say.
What EV's did they design?
We need a "Sandy Score" for each EV reviewed!
or a "Ben out of ten"
unnecessary threaded fasteners /10
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Right, for a guy that could program a coffee maker. He's an idiot.
Thank you all again for the long series of this tear-down. Can't wait to see the Model S Plaid!
Our pleasure!
I would love to see Jason from Engineering explained do a conference with Munroe Live. Getting more engineering minds together is always a good thing.
EE is nothing but an engineering graduate with more experience w/ UA-cam than actual engineering experience
Great idea!
Your tear downs are great and unbiased. Hopefully helps all the manufacturers. No more oil filters in land fills. Nice to fill up at home with solar panels. Nice to have competitive battery storage against fossil fuels electricity production. Car batteries bringing down Grid storage batteries costs. Storage batteries allow wind and solar at night!
Sandy frequently mixes up gross and net usable kWh's when comparing vehicles. The Mach e std range is 75.7 kWh gross, 68 net. The VW is 82 kWh gross, 77 net. The VW is more efficient in miles/kWh than the Mach e, both in gross and net usable kWh.
Lol. No one publishes those numbers, and they are impossible to measure.
Are you mixing transmission loss in charging into the picture here?
My searching shows an error in the comparison figures.
ID4 has 82kWh total, 77kWh useable
Mach-e standard range has 75.7kWh total, 68kWh useable.
Well another excellent diagnosis of a product that shows what American Engineer's can do if they are permitted to move their idea's along. As Sandy explained in many previous video's the Old school thinking GUY's at FORD have passed away and finally those new idea's are allowed to flourish.
Thanks for the forward thinking and moving in the right direction Sandy! You took the bull by the horns and started your own Engineering firm. Without this individual the world would be a much poorer place. Personally I am a fan of Dr. E. Deming a powerhouse of ingenuity and a mentor to Sandy; so happy that you listened to this great man.
I am hoping that we can see more video's showing us all what the Chinese vehicles have cooking that might surprise us all. Congratulation's Sandy and the team at Munro & Associates keeping us all entertained and motivated with your "avant guard" attitude towards explaining everything in layman's terms.
I'm a proud owner of a Mustang Mach E 4X and this video to me is priceless. Subscribed. Thank you!
Thanks for all of your hard work Sandy and team. We live in an amazing time, we have engineers who are willing to give away their time and experiance for free. Keep up the awesome stuff!
I think everyone in the shop should get to drive the plaid before it’s ripped apart.
I'd pay $500 if they would let me drive it since I could not afford one. lol
100% yes
@Inthe Flow this is an absolute no brainer, they'd make so much money. haha
Somebody would bend it.
@@charleshaggard4341 that's what Turo is for
I really would love to see the mpg and range on the model Y LR without side view mirrors and with a digital mirror.
Nobody comes close to Munro for actual automotive information. Thanks again!
As much as I obsess over cars' weight, it doesn't matter as much for BEVs' efficiency as with ICE cars, if most BEV braking is regenerative. The higher CdA of the non-Tesla crossovers really needs the most improvement, but that's on the designers.
I can't wait until the Model S Plaid video. Sandy is going to shit himself with the Plaid acceleration. Will be epic!!!!
He's dying to see that wrapped motor, cooling system, and of course the battery pack too.
I hope the first video is a Sandy travelblog. IIRC Sandy had his mind first changed about the Model 3 when he drove it.
This has be a brilliant and amazing set of videos - so a thank you and well done
Glad you enjoyed it
@@MunroLive very much so and I have learnt a lot - it very good to watch and video and come away from it more inlighted and educated
When FMC purchased the Mach-E rear electric motor from Borg-Warner and the front one from Magna, did FMC specify the design and assembly or just the required output?
Good question.
Probably my favorite video you have released. I have watched all your videos and often tell friends and relatives to check you out. Keep up the amazing work!! The vehicle comparison towards the end of the vehicle was excellent. Honestly you guys should do short videos and releasing a comparison chart with 5 minutes of discussion breaking it down could be a huge hit. Unfortunately many people may not able to watch your longer videos, though as far as I am concerned the longer the better!! Keep the content coming guys.
There are very few places were we can get truthful information. Thank you for being an outlet for truth and honesty.
I hope these various automakers are really listening to what Munro and Associates is telling them.
Since LG also supplies the batteries for the Chevy Bolt, are VW and Ford going to offer a Regular/Extra Crispy setting in their EVs?
A free bag of marshmallows and a box of tissues to wipe away the tears.
Say's the one who fave is under investigation by the NATSA for that same reason. Crashing into emergency vehicle then bursting into flames that the fireman couldn't even put out. 🤔😲
How much of the VW battery is usable? They could be reserving a higher percentage for long-term durability.
VW battery is made of wood chips & sawdust.
77kWh. They have mistakenly compared useable of Mach-e with total battery size of the ID4
Looking forward to the evaluation of the Model S Plaid!!
I really appreciate these videos. I am going to share these with my nephews. The world needs more good engineers.
Love seeing Ben in these! Keep up the great work team
Thanks! Will do!
Another great clip. Someone needs to tell old mate that static from a human can fry a circuit board. Obviously Sandy knows that because he picked up the circuit board by the non conductive connector.. Go Sandy!!
In U.K. the newer busses and big trucks are fitted with pod cameras in place of the barn door mirrors they used to have.
Thanks for the update. I'll probably get flamed for saying this, however, I think GM has a headstart against Ford & Chrysler. They came out recently with the Volt in 2011 and the Bolt in 2018, long before Ford had any kind of electric offering. I think Sandy is not a fan of the Volt, but I've owned mine since 2013 and it's the best car I've ever owned and I have owned several. Just saying. No range anxiety. Old technology now, but it's been all over the US. 100K miles and It still charges to 40 miles. It is rated for 38 miles brand new. 38 miles per gallon fuel economy. Best of both worlds. When and if I do upgrade to full BEV, not sure which offering to get. Your channel is the best.
Wrong, gm is dead last, EV Battery Fires 🔥 still an issue, with no FIX in sight as gm tries to get LG Chem to pay.
meanwhile, gm is NOT replacing Battery.
the Chevy BOLT ⚡ is GARBAGE, it's 80% made by LG Chem, and gm just assemble them , adding a Shell made with a SPARK EV Drivetrain and a body in a former SPARK car factory 🏭.
It's a P O S .
GM seems to have a (geofenced) robotaxi ready to go. They apparently have received permission to operate their robos in San Francisco without safety drivers. Initial permission limits them to a 30 MPH top speed and good weather conditions. Ford can't even stay in its lane on a highway.
I can see GM going bankrupt due to high debt and limited cash on hand. Then, post bankruptcy a new company named "GM' emerges that is mostly a robotaxi manufacturing and service company.
Ford is in as bad, if not worse, financial shape as GM. Ford might go bankrupt and a new Ford emerge as a very much scaled down manufacturer of mostly pickups. Ford would be able to sell a "second place" battery powered pickup for several years based on brand name loyalty.
@Inthe Flow Competition should help with the offerings. Not sure how the Big 3 do their engineering, but I am guessing a lot of it is farmed out as in batteries, FSD, etc. Do you think when FSD is fully implemented, our insurance premiums are going to go down. LOL
@Inthe Flow Just kidding about insurance. It's a cash cow for the companies. They will always figure out a way to get into your pocket whether mandated or not. We are accustom to some one else doing the driving: flights, trains, buses, taxis. I am having a hard time imagining getting in my own vehicle and letting the software do the driving. Yea, I get it, a lot safer to let the software drive. "If you don't like the way I drive, stay off the sidewalks".
The first EV for Ford was the 1998 Ranger way before the Chevy Bolt or Volt. I think your information was way off and may I suggest that you Google next time for accuracy.
Great Video as always. I hope that southern trip is to GigaTexas!
Regarding the comparison chart: It took me some time before I finally understood that once you achieve 2 to 3 hours of highway driving range, the recharging rate starts to be as important and maybe even more important than additional range, at least for East Coast and Central long road trips. Of course, this assumes there is a charging network that is dense enough to cover those 2-3 hr intervals and I just can't separate the car from its charging network. So, I'd like to see recharging rates in that comparison table. Great video and great channel! I'm learning a lot.
Thank you so much Sandy, I love your series on electric vehicles. I tell all my friends who like engineering to watch your channel. I can't wait to see the you break down the Chinese electric vehicles. All my friends want to see the Tesla Model S Plaid that what we are looking forward too the most. 👍😊
Maybe the motor isolators are larger to increase the contact stress area as Aluminium is less stiff, except it shouldn't have large enough forces through it to really matter?
🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀 Everyone is loving the Ford Mustang Mach E. It's the future. ▶️▶️▶️ Thanks for the tear down guys.
Great session Sandy and Ben. And Kudos to Munro for their investment in product acquisition and research to bring us these terrific insights.
Ben's face when Sandy says Ford is 6 or 7 years behind. LMAO. 2:23
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Great job. I think it’s time to start a leaderboard of EVs, this way it’s an at a glance picture of your thoughts. Check out the old Top Gear boards…cold mediocre hot etc,
Good video thanks again Sandy you always show and explain things so well
Can't wait to see a re-do in a few years, to see how fast Ford iterated to optimize the design.
Sandy & company make my day with their down to earth talk & evaluations - its an environment where 1+1=2
Great videos, im loving this series, I know this is more for the manufacturers to take away from, but Id love a "What can a current owner do to help, video" I assume there is not a whole lot we can do to help our range though.
Nice recap guys. Thank you for all your work.
I used to spot weld VW B pillars and front side members and I was shocked to see this Ford's BIW.
Ford has really come a long way since the Mondeo..
That front aluminum casting looks like a sand casting.
How can they make those fast and efficiently.
Sandy, begin your tour at Dartmouth College (Thayer School of Engineering) in Hanover NH!! The Fall foliage would be worth the drive!
"I got a pension to be funded." haha I hope Ford succeed, too!
Yes, because from the looks of it, Ford did do a few things really well and we need all of the ideas and competition that we can get in the West simply to just survive the tsunami from the East that Sandy keeps referencing.
Thank you Sandy👍😃
With aimable cameras integrated into the exterior side view mirrors can be replaced with small interior screens on the A pillars.
@ 21:53 we learn that Ford and VW are working with LG for their battery performance. The LG is the battery that was recalled by the GM BOLT for causing spontaneous fires (not from crashes). Why wouldn't these cars that also use LG batteries be equally as dangerous?
Excellent wrap up. I'm sure Ford will get a lot of use out of it. Thanks guys!
GREAT WRAP UP!! Learned a lot!! Just wondering if the Lordstown Endurance will be reviewed sometime?
LORDSTOWN is a FRAUD , and it's Endurance is CRAP.
the HUB motors are designed for e- mobility and Electric TOYS.
RIVIAN has a better PLATFORM than LORDSTOWN, but Tesla DRIVETRAIN is the MOST Advanced & MOST Efficient in the WORLD.
I was not aware that Lordstown had delivered any vehicles yet.
I think the large motor isolators on the rear subframe is due to motor higher vibrations or harmonics which means that they need to talk more to their suppliers to look into this
Regarding BlueCruise, I get the idea that this is an interim system. Ford has real self driving vehicle programs. I see their vehicles out driving all the time where I live. Ford owns a large stake in Argo AI as well. I don’t think the current BlueCruise system is based on this work.
They’re probably still behind Tesla, but I’m not sure BlueCruise is intended to compete against the Tesla product; it’s basically a lane keep system. It seems more like they worked with what they had in order to get the Mach E out in time. For whatever reason, the Argo based system is not ready to integrate.
Been following this series from the start, what a great recap of all the thoughts and findings .
Can't wait for the next series whatever that may be. 👍
Great summary of an interesting car. Looking at the rear seats, they don't actually look that comfy for a car that costs so much. I actually went back and looked at your first impressions video and see you said something about making them deeper. Maybe I've just been spoilt growing up with my dad having old Alfas and me now having a 2000 model Alfa 156, whose seats are amazing.
Can't wait for the Chinese cars! I love having something to look forward to from an unfamiliar engineering pedigree.
This is something I think really needs to happen. US and European legacy companies need to be shown the competition that is coming at them. At the moment it seems to me that the rapidly developing Chinese EVs are being ignored.
@@bobwallace9753 Not at all! Norway is in front of the EV revolution, but not a country where anyone would ever dream of buying a chinese car 3 years ago.
Now they are entering the top 10 in sales already. This market is closely watched, and you can be damn sure E V E R Y O N E is paying notice. This is a look in to the future marketplace, no less!
I have driven several of them. They aren’t there just yet. But: Watch out!..
This car is made in china
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Love the overall impressions video idea!!!
I can't wait until the F-150 teardown! Hopefully, you get one of the first ones to do it.
Why, it's just a BORING gas based F150 underneath, with a Shoehorn EV Drivetrain.
@@markplott4820 Sort of like the Kia Niro was a full size version of an AMT 3-in-1 plastic model kit?
@@markplott4820 Actually is the body and box from an F150 mounted to a completely new electric skateboard chassis that's completely different than a gasoline version. Due some research.
@@hwirtwirt4500 - its still OBSOLITE and is too HEAVY , which is why F150 EV cant tow 15,000 lbs or HAUL 3500 lbs cargo.
its also Really INEFFICIENT Drivetrain.
CT is Supposed to be UNDER 6,000 lbs , and it CAN Haul 3500 lbs and TOW 15,000 lbs while Traveling at 85 mph up a 5% Grade with a FULL LOAD.
@@hwirtwirt4500 - My PREDICTION is that the HUMMER EV, FUD F150 Lightweight , Chevy SILVERADO EV and Endurance are ALL GOING TO BE CRAP , RIVIAN has a good chance , they are using ADVANCED batteries like TESLA.
Unfornatually , NO ONE Told gm that POUCH LION is CRAP and prone to Vehicle FIRES.
Sandy Munro worked on the DODGE/RAM Vehicles making them Better, So I think Dodge/Ram has a Chance to make BETTER EV than gm & FUD motors.
but, Dodge/Ram wont even come until 2025, and by that time it will be GAMEOVER.
TESLA will be selling MILLIONS of Cybertrucks by then.
How will that door module fare long term? Wear and tear? Seems a potential issue for plastic getting brittle over time? I’m sure it’s engineered reinforced plastic but still… can’t help but think of potential issues w the window regulator? As someone who’s replaced several window regulators on many cars, usually it’s cause the little plastic bits that break. Don’t get me wrong though I’m all in favor for the integration of the regulator.
Thanks! Huge help to see and hear what the pros look for.
Now can we have a discussion about coefficient of drag. This is per unit area of the vehicle right? So a lower coefficient doesn't necessarily mean 1 vehicle is more aerodynamic overall than another ?
Correct. When car companies report coefficient of drag, that does NOT include the cross-sectional area.
coming up with an EV that's affordable and pretty decent when compared to Tesla is no joke. kudos to Ford. hope they continue to innovate and consider every piece of advice from Sandy very seriously because they are on the right path and are bound to succeed if they follow this.
Yeah but their range and battery size is so far behind --- it's almost in the Nissan Leaf class.
Sunil - FUD motors does not INNOVATIVE at all.
they continue to LET someone else Engineer their EV, and use OBSOLETE parts from the FORD parts bin.
In 2021 they are still doing CATALOG ENGINEERING, and they don't even make MOST of their parts.
@@markplott4820 May be you are right. Im not that technical lol
@@sunibitsian He isnt, hes trolling. Any legacy OEM that just threw away thier parts bin would be throwing away all of the money they have invested in it. Part of the reason Ford can compete on price IS the parts bin.
@@patreekotime4578 That parts bin is both a pro and a con for surviving the transition. It seems like the amount of part over lap between models is integral to lowering cost. I would love to see something slip about cost of Mach-e or profit/loss on the sale of each vehicle.
Everything Sandy has stressed about making an ev efficient shows me that Aptera is on the right path to manufacture one of the most efficient vehicles available.
I took apart my Xiaomi Roomba and there was over 50 screws holding it together. All I could think of is Sandy going on about threaded fasteners.
"Vehicle" is a broad term and can refer to scooters, bikes, and golf carts along with FUVs.
@@piyh3962 It could be worse. In the 1990s I worked on a laptop that had 128 screws on the inner cover! Then again, it was designed for tempest operation for the military and the RF shielding was insane.
The PS5 has way too many screws holding the motherboard down. I haven't taken one apart myself, but teardown videos look so daunting because of it.
Any plans on doing a cost analysis?
What it actually cost Ford to produce as to what they can sell it for would give great insight as to whether or not they can even be competitive and survive.
AFAIK everyone but Tesla is losing money on their EVs.
@@shazam6274 Every Tesla fanboy will tell you that even though it's BS.
@@hwirtwirt4500 Check out Tesla's Filings with the SEC, over 20% GP! GM, VW, Audi, etc., have publicly stated they lose money on e-cars, Ford has not yet made it "official", just wait.
@@shazam6274 The Mach-E, F150 Lightning and E-Transit are all in high demand and will be very profitable just like every other vehicle Ford builds.
@@hwirtwirt4500 Facts vs. your "hope". As for high demand, Tesla currently makes and sells more than 10x the "planned" sales of the Mach-e, which are currently only running at ~ 60% of Ford's "plan"
How about adding some real-world ranges to your chart? All of those claimed efficiencies would look very different with MYLR coming out in the 220s for range which is about 70 mpge. The only thing Tesla is efficient at is fudging EPA tests.
I get 93% of the epa rating in my MYLR and 120 MPGe. 80% of my miles are interstate miles and I have my cruise set to 10% over the speed limit. Not sure where you’re getting your 220 from. You’d have to be trying to get bad mileage to be in the 66% range you claim
I think Munro team needs to do real life energy consumption test. After owning a model 3 for 2 years, I can tell you, it won’t ever get the EPA range unless you drive under 50 mph, like a grandpa, on flat ground, in perfect weather. Other EVs are much more conservative with their EPA range calculations and you are more likely to achieve those numbers in the real world compared to Tesla. Tesla are still most efficient but EPA total range doesn’t tell the whole story.
That's not new. Maybe for some fanboys, that firmly believe in Tesla over estimate range.
What are you taking about? The EPA rating isn't done by the manufacturer, it is an independent testing standard.
@@bluetoad2668 Manufacturers test according to EPA standards but they decide what the final number is and most of them choose to be conservative and low-ball the number. Tesla was first and decided to report the best case scenario.
Tesla pads their range estimates
@@DK-pr9ny they don’t pad anything. They are using methodologies provided by the EPA, and EPA confirms their estimates. The problem is EPA’s 5 cycle method isn’t very realistic.
Range is only one component of rapidity of transport, in other words, how quickly can it get me to where I want to go. Another component is charging speed, which can vary widely based on the charging curves of each vehicle, not just their peak charging speed. Other components are range and mechanical efficiency. A good test of Rapidity of Transport (ROT) would be how quickly can a vehicle go 1000 miles at a specified sustained speed (75 MPH?). ROT would take account of drag, mechanical efficiency, peak charging rate and overall charging speed.
Bjørn Nyland regularly does 1000km tests.
Getting rid of the side mirrors and make all fords 360 cameras,and use a heads up display to show what’s in the lane. This will also reduce mirror weight with 3 wires wires in the 510 & 4/5 wires for the passengers connectors. All you would need is a wing large enough to go around the camera on drivers side and temp sensor camera on the passengers 610 connector
Like the comparisons on the spreadsheet. Very objective.
It’s actually not very objective since Tesla uses a more EPA test cycles than the others which gives them a better end result. The actual gap in range and efficiency is smaller than this chart lets on. A real objective test would have sandy run all cars on a dynamometer to determine range and efficiency for himself.
Regarding Mach e weight reduction: I went back on Munro's Mach e and ID.4 videos and looked at Munro's charts on the Mach e and ID.4 pack weights. The Mach e pack was 485 kg, ID.4 was 489 kg. And note on my other comment that Mach e has 68 kWh usable vs ID.4's 77 kWh usable. VW got 77 kWh of usable kWh - about 9 kWh more than the Mach e - with just 4 more kg of weight. So to lightweight the Mach e, Ford first should negotiate using a downsized ID.4 pack that can deliver 68 kWh usable. Ford already has a deal to use VW's MEB platform for their European products. According to my calcs, that would be a 72 kWh gross ID.4 pack, and if VW can keep the gross wh/kg ratio constant, it would weigh 429 kg. So Ford could remove about 55 kg, or 123 lb, just by switching to VW for a pack. And it would fit in the Mach e body opening, as Munro's ID.4/Mach e comparison video showed the Mach e pack lid had a 20% larger footprint than the ID.4's. And elevation views of both packs suggested the ID.4's pack was a little thinner. And it would charge faster. Fast charging tests have shown the ID.4 charges to 80% a lot faster than the Mach e.
Sandy - your analysis is priceless!
Dear Munro, do you also advise Ford on things lime how we customers dislike dealing with dealers n lack of Tesla level price transparency?
entrenched dealership association strongholds prevent any changes
In the Future i will buy a car only after seeing the Munro teardown. The value here is just fantastic!
you could make wing mirrors a perfect teardrop shape by making the tail part from the mirror back out of clear plastic. cd of the mirror then would be 0.08 instead of around 0.5.
Every engineer you have seems top notch! Quality over quantity 👏
Thank you for the excellent work :)
Tesla simply cannot meet demand even with 50-60% production growth per year. We need the OEM to step up to fill the demand gap, as after 2025 no one in the right mind will want an ICE. There will be a huge shortage of EV production by then
Hope Ford can take your suggestions to heart and get going in improvement
Thanks again for your excellent work
By 2025 everyone in their right mind will want a Tesla, not everyone will get one though.
Batteries, that's where effort is needed.
@@lengould9262 fully agree. It is hard to get enough chips, but even harder to get enough batteries. Somewhere around 2028 batteries will become plentiful. There will be a low for 3 ish years that everyone will want an EV but there will simply not enough batteries.
@@bluetoad2668 Everyone does not want a Tesla. Why do you think we a choice?
You guys have done another informative video !!
regarding the cradle, I think the rubber bushings are enormous on the mustang... could that be the weight?
Very interesting video. One question, it seems like you’re giving away a lot of what you do for free to the OEM‘s. I know it’s general information and not specific but do these companies come back to you for additional information?
The real comparison would be between the Mach e extended range which is 500lbs heavier than the Model Y long range
Are those bigger dampers on Ford because they have vibration/torque ripple problems mitigating from the motor to the car frame? Induction motor not so sensitive for the ripple tha PM with magnets (if designed poorly + poor control).0
I’ve had doors freeze shut with ice. Will MachE door push mechanism be strong enough when ice freezes door shut?
Just spray a little Mineral oil and beforehand the ice & snow just fall off.
@@markplott4820 if u say so, I have never oiled my cars paint.
sat in one for NDEW. it sucks. the back seat is microscopic and the rear windows are impossible to sea out of. can't wait to drive one, but i wish Ford had just made an electirc Edge or Explorer GT
Ford can't complain about 2nd place for their first true EV. They have to be very happy with this Wrap Up overall. Sandy, I will tell you on miles per charge, I am getting over 10% more than Ford's 270 mile range on my Premium AWD Ext Range MachE. I am averaging about 305 miles.
Excellent content! Any plans to look at the Taycan?
Love your work Sandy and team. My big issue is price. Tesla Model Y is from $64k-$74k depending on if you have the performance spec or not. I included the autopilot in the quote, would be $54k without autopilot. When compared to say an Ioniq 5 which qualifies for the $7500 tax credit, you are looking at $10-30k in savings. Cost at least for most Americans is a factor. Tesla is a luxury brand and not a car made for the masses. I look forward to cars from Toyota, Hyundai, and Kia, OEMs that build cars that last forever, are affordable and have a dealer network standing behind the product for when things do go wrong.
WRONG, Tesla model 3 SR+ is the same price as GAS in the same segment, and NOW Tesla is offering Model 3 SR+ with a CHINA made LFP pack by CATL.
Tesla is going to 100% LFP battery for ALL Short Range and STANDARD models that are NOT Long Range, NICKEL 2170 are still Superior for Long Range & Towing.
and Tesla in China has already built a Prototype model 2, due to go on SALE in end of 2022 for $23,000.
LEGACY auto is FCUKED.
the Ford aluminum cradle just put the Mach-E high on my list for next new car. yes, the thermal management system needs some work, but I live in Michigan and steel just can't hold up to road salt. Also, the aluminum body is the only reason I bought an F-150 a few years ago. The only thing that I need to see before I buy an EV is a simulated 30 year electronics corrosion test, especially the battery. Also, my family keeps cars for 400,000+ miles, so I would need a car thats batteries have a 200,000 mile warranty and cost less than $5000 to replace.
This is all very, very interesting. Especially the disparity in key metrics for cars that on the surface should be the same. It will be very interesting to see how things progress per model, and in the sales race over the next 5-10 years. Will Ford's share price race ahead ?
Big fan of Ben. I know he seems stressed at times but he’s very knowledgeable and one of my favorites. They all are for different reasons. I would want to share a different meal with each of them.
Super curious which EV Ben drives or wants to drive.
Complements to Sandy on his knowledge. I'm a big fan of him. A few points to consider: #1 reliability. Numerous problems with Ford Mach E future reliability exists. Sandy's favorite door locks, are a terrible idea. I had another type of Ford Electric vehicle go Battery Dead in the Dealer Lot w/no way to get into it. We had to go thru the trunk which still had a lock system to gain access. Still the entire car was DOA. Sandy, what happens when eventually the car loses battery power??? Also, all the cheap plastic parts for weight savings. The door panel is going to fail in just a few years in Southern USA heat. Ford already has a massive problem with cheap plastic gears and pulleys in all the Ford Expeditions and other Ford vehicles with the Air Cond. air direction boxes under the dash. They don't open and repair requires complete removal of the dash at high costs. Further, all the pipes, hose, etc. in the Mach E. They will all eventually leak and fail. Also, remember: aluminum is totally incompatible with stray electric currents. Which are prevalent in battery packs, i.e., electric connection points, cooling leaks, etc. Aluminum turns to dust (aluminum oxide) when electrical currents pass over them and there is surface moisture. Coated aluminum protection only lasts a few years. Building a successful car is not about a 1 or 3 year life span. The average age of US Cars July 2021 was 10.2 years. None of these plastic parts will last that long. Making all of these type vehicles throw aways in 5 years or less. Which is the actual projected life of the LG batteries too.
A great wrap up, thanks again for sharing!