lolol me. I'm not being paid by valve nor do I have the technical know how to actually solve this and yet here I am lol. But with that being said the "armswinger" method in H3VR looks pretty promising. Definitely not perfect, but could be a step in the right direction. You can see someone who seems to be pretty good at it in this video(ignore the index review and watch the gameplay): ua-cam.com/video/pSZzk2dLXgg/v-deo.html The speed of arm swinging controlling the speed of the player seems to be like a good solution that is also immersive(the linear movement of only using the analog stick makes you feel like a camera just zooming around, whereas the arm swinging introduces a real headbob which makes the movement feel more realistic). I think a traditional button click to switch from a binary walk/run definitely would not work well in VR and would feel too unnatural. The speed control has to be a smooth controllable curve. Maybe the analog stick to control direction plus arm swinging to control speed could work. dunno, I really should be spending my time doing something productive that I actually have agency over...
Teleportation isn't the "gold" standard. It's the standard holding back VR. Every game should have multiple options based on what the user is comfortable with. Teleportation is lazy and is killing VR. My friends who have played my VR setup have asked why every game is a "magic float" game or a standing tower defense. People want to traverse open worlds smoothly, not teleport. Teleportation is holding back VR and hurting it's image much more so than people who get motion sickness. It practically nulls the entire point of VR. Walking and running in place pretty much nullifies motion sickness. There are several ways to build a tiny VR treadmill that would help you walk in place. Ideally, a couple of sensors attached to your shoes would be all you need. it would sense walking, and running.
You make many good points. I cannot help but wonder if we tried to apply teleportation instead of Locomotion into Doom, Quake, Unreal, World of Warcraft, Star Trek Online, etc... If it would kill those games. I imagine it would. (or for the older ones, would have)
holy shit totally this. you try out VR and feels really new uncharted territory but when you stuck with that stupid teleportation system it looks like we are back in the 90's with Myst games... holy fuck HATE IT. hope more devs are experimeinting with more locomotion systems
@@digitalmagick For me it just doesn't make sense to play with teleportation, shatters immersion and feels mechanic. I can't enjoy such an experience at all.
VR zGame developer. Very good video. We were going to add several locomotion solutions in final game and this video gave us more ideas to think about. thanks !
You really should make adjustable speed so people can walk faster if they dont really experience nausea. right now it looks painfully slow. so slow I wouldnt even want to try playing it. If you release the game and this is going to be how players walk, it is going to be a failure. I really want you to succeed since the game idea itself is pretty rad, really looking forward to it
Just keep in mind this video was published more than 3 years ago... like around the time development for HL:A started. Hopefully locomotion has come a long way since then. Hopefully.
yeah, I agree.. It took me way to long to find a video just to explain how to get around in VR worlds. So far, it seems terrible. Would a joystick on the VR controller really make everyone sick?
@@demon646 - Ever feel sick when using your phone or playing a game for a long time on a long drive? It's the same concept, in reverse. When your eyes or inner ear pick up movement, but the other doesn't, it causes severe illness in some people. I get the latter, personally. Thankfully, I don't get VR motion sickness even with high-speed movement in games.
@@XeNoiseGaming - As he said at the beginning: It doesn't happen to everyone. It does, however, happen to more than half of people, so that's a pretty significant. That said, I completely agree with teleporting defeating the purpose of VR.
I will never buy a game that doesn't have regular movement. You can quickly get over motion sickness. You can't get over the shitty teleportation method. I bought VR for the immersion. Forced teleportation kills that.
I wish there was some method that would just get rid of my motion sickness cause it just ruins some of the games I play. However I'm glad that they acknowledge people who do have it and try to find a solution to it.
4:16 This kinda makes me think of how the holodeck in StarTrek possibly works. Certain size walking space so the simulation tricks you into thinking your walking forward when you're actually walking in circles or back and forth. But with this tech demo it doesn't do it that complex, but still similar concept.
People hated it not because teleportation is awful, but because they wanted options. The reason for teleportation is motion sickness. It's like being allergic to a food, you simply can't pick that food because it's better-tasting, or you might throw up or worse. I think every game where it's able to have more than one option should have more than one option. Most VR games are singleplayer, and thus having teleportation as an option does not ruin the game for you.
THERES A LOCOMOTION PATCH????!!!???!!!??? SHIT........ I never got it just because I wasn’t going to support a teleport only game. Fuck that. They need to learn right now to develop for the people who actually are using this shit every other day. Not could be maybe sometime in the future hopefully “customers”. They need to keep the base hyped up enough to keep the casuls/non early adopters interested. They got it backwards. Though this rant aside most games do seem to do both now. So yay...... It was just very frustrating in the early days.
Wouldn't it make more sense that someone who is very susceptible to motion sickness reviews these different locomotion systems and says which ones work?
Well done. The only thing I might add is a teleportation variation I've seen which toggles scale. For example, in a VR city you make yourself a giant to traverse large distances The zoom and pan mechanic used in map interfaces is another example.
I was 16 years old when my dad brought home Pong. My brother and I spent many happy hours hitting that white square "ball" back and forth on the TV screen. It amazes me that, in my lifetime, we have gone from that to this!
It's fascinating that we have this whole new technology, where you accually have to rething all the basic game mechanics. It feels like the begeinnig of video gamin all over again. I wonder what will come out of it all.
Yeah VR gaming is weird in that it's probably the most "futuristic" thing I've ever experienced, but at the same time it also feels like I have gone back in time to the arcade gaming era
Locomotion is prob my favorite topic in vr right now so thanks for the vid! Like you i dont get motion sick but i love trying these new movement methods, lets hope devs don't try and standardize to early and give us options.
Thumbs up for including WalkAbout! my favourite lomotion solution so far! It obviously won't work for every game, but anything involving predominantly exploration will work really well with this, as it is so much more immersive!
I haven't, haptics are one of the underappreciated aspects of Vive VR, they increase immersion quite a bit. Unfortunately it's a hard concept to represent in a video.
I would probably add what I kind of think of as step teleportation. Essentially pressing on the pad to move forward instead of smoothly moving forward will just teleport the world the distance of a step or two. As someone who does get VR sickness (it's not actually motion sickness since motion sickness is the opposite cause, the inner ear says you are moving bur your eyes say you are not, commonly something you might get while reading a book in a car, for example) I found it interesting in Technolust early on when he played with that where I would use a smooth artificial locomotion until I would begin to feel that slight twinge of queasiness and then I'd switch to the step teleportation mechanic, even pressing the trigger to "run" making it a very fast stutter step, like watching an old movie, would instantly make the queasiness go away. I would do that for a while and could go back to smooth motion for a while until the feeling came back then I'd just switch back again. Admittedly that method does break immersion somewhat but it worked really well for me. You may have also seen on reddit some mention of a recent study showing that s subtle reduction of FOV wile using artificial locomotion apparently seemed to reduce VR sickness as well. That's not necessarily a locomotion method, of course, so not necessarily relevant to your video. I would also add that, while not are really commercially available just yet, that omni-directional treadmills will be another locomotion method that may prove useful for reducing or eliminating VR sickess as well. That's not necessarily a software locomotion method, mind you, but is an overall locomotion solution for VR that may prove of some use, although it remains to be seen how common any of those may become considering the price point.
Once I can afford my vive (hopefully in a few weeks or so), I'd love trying to implement some horse-riding for moving around. You'd use your arms to hold the bridle of your horse and you could control the movement you your horse by moving your arms. I think that'd be a really good method for moving around longer distances. If you'd combine this with the RIPmotion-method from 5:33 or the VR zGame-method from 13:31 for close-distance movement, I think that you could easily traverse large open-world areas without ever having motionsickness or being thrown out of the illusion. Thanks for the great video!
Sounds like a great idea! There's another experimental locomotion idea that involves moving by bobbing your head, I couldn't find a demo for this video unfortunately, but that would also work well for horse riding
I got zero motion sickness from boneworks or any artificial locomotion, never gotten sick once since I got my rift S on Christmas and have played boneworks and Pavlov
2018 and still the same vr headsets ... disappointingly slow .... they kill the vr industry with their incompetence to bring real innovation ... we need smarter ppl
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A round Nintendo-like balance board would be good too maybe? The balance board allows jumping and side step too. Great for exercise too! Jogging is good, just like what this video shows.
I don't believe any locomotion for vr are a be all end al solution to the problem. If BCIs ever become a thing, they would eliminate all issues with locomotion but they are far from reality currently. For now, the only way we can make locomotion less awkward is to fundamentally change the way we think about bipedal motion. A good example of this can be seen in Eric Tereshinski's Jet Island Dev Logs (the first one : ua-cam.com/video/wEaQ3DN_inI/v-deo.html). This method apparently reduces motion sickness but also allows you to get to different parts of the map with relative ease and actually looks kind of fun.
How about "simulating" the keyboard arrow keys, like one step forward makes you move forward (and keep moving), 2 steps to run, and if you want to stop moving, you go back to your original zero position
Basically there is no good solution for locomotion. Short of having a clunky omni-directional treadmill installed at your home (which will only ever be viable to niche users), HMD-style VR will always have this problem. BCI-style VR would fix this problem in theory, but it's questionable if it's even possible to do.
I think people should force themselves to use artificial/regular locomotion whenever available. There are plenty of technologies that made people sick until they adjusted to them. The more you use it the more your body gets use to it. And frankly teleportation defeats the whole point of VR for me.
Universe Sandbox 2 has a method where you can grab the environment and drag it in any direction. Works very well and did not give me any symptoms of motion sickness. I also have an idea for locomotion. Easy and not shown here, maybe I should fire up Unreal engine again and get to work ;)
Watching you try the climbing one made me think of how badly we need something like this incorporated into a Spider-Man game in VR and then you fucking mentioned it as I started typing this! And then the grappling thing! Ahhhhh that looks fun!
Fascinating shit. Can't wait for them to pin down a really good locomotion mechanic :) And I just realised how much I want a Spiderman VR game... 14:27
Hey man I have a tip for you. Why dont you try attaching a snap hook on your belt loop so you can feed the vive wire through it. That way the wire will stay behind you because it looks like its getting wrapped around your body.
well you got my sub vr deticated channels are really hard to find imo :/. Also i think there porbly is not going to be 1 standard way to move around. Fun thing about vr is they can use diffrent locomotion methods that would suit the game the are making. so like bumble said if you would have a spiderman game you could have the climb mechanics where lets say budgets the teleportation makes sense. its a new field and i really intrested in what people a going to do with it
i was gonna chime in gorn, but i'm not sure if it is too similar to the climbing mechanic. you use the grip buttons i believe to sort of crawl forwards and to me it feels sort of like you're just using your hands to walk. later on you get a fun pair of gloves that let you jump high as well if you thrust your arms downwards while the buttons are being pressed.
I bought unseen deplomacy after this video! Deffiantley try it I have had vr for 4 days and I felt like I was walking in a real building and gettign artificial locomotion out of the way makes you feel so much in the world.. When there was a ledge because i wasnot thinking about the click tp teleport i was so much into it that i was scared if i walked foreward i would fall o-o
Very cool that you compared all these differnt methods. I think the Industry have to find good solutions for locomotion. Otherwise a lot of games are not possible in VR!
I was curious about what some people came out with for locomotion. I think teleportation is bad in some cases, and artificial locomotion doesn't seem immersive to me as you are not moving irl. Great video!
some of these look really interesting. I may use one in my vive game. (it was just green-lit) and your really lucky to not get vr sickness!!! thanks for making this!
Awesome, I'm pleased they are looking for solutions to this, it's one of the reasons I haven't got VR yet (other than gearvr) having to teleport to move was a no go for me. Someday when portable VR is feasible we will be able to just go out to an open field or something and play any game we want and run practically forever, that would be a blast. It would be even cooler if they had big sensors on towers at the corners of the field to locate you, then you could put props in the field that fit the map, fake buildings, etc and have other players join you, kinda like that indoor VR thing but huge scale. VR is going to be nuts in a few years from now I think.
I don't like any of these help "weak stomach people" movement alternatives (not counting windlands). Omni-directional and button movement are still the best options right now in my opinion.
Albeit, "weak stomach people" do exist, I have to agree. Some of these movement alternatives are like moving with the mouse, It works for some things, and not for others.
I don't experience motion sickness but even without considering motion sickness the fact remains that button movement is not very immersive. My take is always that if something would be awkward in real life it probably won't work in VR. It would be really weird in real life if you pressed some button and suddenly you were being thrust forward but then continue at a constant speed without any visible physical mechanism causing such a change. It's the same reason that when people try to turn lights on in dreams it commonly doesn't work - and consequently why it's a reality check - which is the case because when we flick a switch we don't really think about how doing so turns the light on subconsciously.
Abram Painter yeah but the alternative is teleporting around like a point and click game, which is like 10x less immersive. I am but a measly console player. I use a stick on my controller to move, and another to look around. My point of view is seen from like 2-3 feet away, on a monitor that isn't on my face, yet I do not suffer lack of immersion. Games that are good enough in realism and/or story can still be very immersive, making you forget for a moment that you aren't in the game. In VR, even with moving around a virtual environment without moving around physically is a much *MUCH* better option when the only other is clicking on the floor and appearing there.
Nails s: I’m one of those "weak stomach" people. While I’m happy you don’t get the motion sickness some of us do. Good for you that you don’t have the problem. But it does no good to denigrate people who do. There are enough people who get motion sickness that it needs to be addressed. If the developers have made you happier with what you think is a better mode of movement, that’s great, but your happiness should not be contingent on excluding others simply due to *your* preference. Game development is a business and being in business means you try to reach a wider market. There is a large enough population that is turned off not because of a game type preference, but because it actually makes them sick. I understand not all game genres can accommodate two kinds of movement; car racing, flying and a number of others, but there should be two options when possible.
Seems really odd to me, all these methods and variations trying to solve a problem that people can acclimate to. Did it ever occur to just find away to teach people how to get used to the motion sickness?
I wouldn't say teleportation defeats the entire purpose of VR. Would teleporting outside of VR defeat the purpose of real life? VR is good because it looks like you're there, teleportation or not. While yes, it does improve the immersion in some games to move smoothly instead of suddenly, it doesn't ruin the experience.
I have vertigo, I love rock climbing. I kept rock climbing because I love it and my vertigo slowly went away. Or anxiety and panic attacks on a rollercoaster, I knew there was nothing to worry about but I had no control over it. I persisted with it and it eventually went away. The human body can get use to pretty much any condition if you keep exposing yourself to it. It's all just chemicals and reactions.
Vertigo is not in the same vein as motion sickness. Vertigo is a fear, motion sickness is a physical feeling coming from sensory inputs that your brain normally doesn't compute well with. Its the same as using a phone or reading a book for long periods of time while in a moving vehicle. Some people get motion sickness because you are viewing a stationary image while your inner-ear is sensing movement. It doesn't just stop if you keep doing it.
Thank you for very interesting video! So, the best thing we have in 2019 is when you ride a car and can shoot stuff. All other methods are teleports, undeveloped or motion sickness. =(
In order for the "hallway" mechanic to be effective, you need a 40'x40' area I believe. At that scale, the turning is imperceptible as far as I know. Ideally you could walk, or even run around. Maybe one day homes will dedicate a whole floor as a holodeck.
Quick question (don't have access to a HMD as of yet so can't answer for myself). With the first method of locomotion you demoed, have you tried blurring the image at the edges of the player's vision and/or adding an increasing vignette based on movement duration. If you've tried either, have they helped at all?
Yeah I reported that channel awhile ago, but youtube said they weren't violating the TOS somehow, so they won't do anything about it. Luckily they stopped uploading a over a year ago
who's here "solving" the potential locomotion problem in Half Life: Alyx and Valve's next games?
I wonder if we get to see their method at the Game Awards. On the website it only saves normal movement, teleport and a zoom function of movement.
Likewise. Smooth locomotion is the only option that feels as real as it could get without a infinadeck.
lolol me. I'm not being paid by valve nor do I have the technical know how to actually solve this and yet here I am lol. But with that being said the "armswinger" method in H3VR looks pretty promising. Definitely not perfect, but could be a step in the right direction. You can see someone who seems to be pretty good at it in this video(ignore the index review and watch the gameplay): ua-cam.com/video/pSZzk2dLXgg/v-deo.html
The speed of arm swinging controlling the speed of the player seems to be like a good solution that is also immersive(the linear movement of only using the analog stick makes you feel like a camera just zooming around, whereas the arm swinging introduces a real headbob which makes the movement feel more realistic). I think a traditional button click to switch from a binary walk/run definitely would not work well in VR and would feel too unnatural. The speed control has to be a smooth controllable curve. Maybe the analog stick to control direction plus arm swinging to control speed could work. dunno, I really should be spending my time doing something productive that I actually have agency over...
Just want to point out that this video is over 3 years old (but yes I'm here for the same reason, lol)
"You can also stick it in your pants. I don't really feel like doing that." lol!
Teleportation isn't the "gold" standard. It's the standard holding back VR. Every game should have multiple options based on what the user is comfortable with.
Teleportation is lazy and is killing VR. My friends who have played my VR setup have asked why every game is a "magic float" game or a standing tower defense.
People want to traverse open worlds smoothly, not teleport. Teleportation is holding back VR and hurting it's image much more so than people who get motion sickness. It practically nulls the entire point of VR.
Walking and running in place pretty much nullifies motion sickness. There are several ways to build a tiny VR treadmill that would help you walk in place. Ideally, a couple of sensors attached to your shoes would be all you need. it would sense walking, and running.
You make many good points.
I cannot help but wonder if we tried to apply teleportation instead of Locomotion into Doom, Quake, Unreal, World of Warcraft, Star Trek Online, etc... If it would kill those games. I imagine it would. (or for the older ones, would have)
holy shit totally this. you try out VR and feels really new uncharted territory but when you stuck with that stupid teleportation system it looks like we are back in the 90's with Myst games... holy fuck HATE IT. hope more devs are experimeinting with more locomotion systems
@@digitalmagick For me it just doesn't make sense to play with teleportation, shatters immersion and feels mechanic. I can't enjoy such an experience at all.
VR zGame developer. Very good video. We were going to add several locomotion solutions in final game and this video gave us more ideas to think about. thanks !
Irakli Kokrashvili , tredmill.
You really should make adjustable speed so people can walk faster if they dont really experience nausea. right now it looks painfully slow. so slow I wouldnt even want to try playing it. If you release the game and this is going to be how players walk, it is going to be a failure. I really want you to succeed since the game idea itself is pretty rad, really looking forward to it
Current game version supports 5 locomotion schemes with adjustable parameters + 2 treadmills (Virtuix and Cyberith).
Suddenly i'm not exited for the new half life game anymore xd
Just keep in mind this video was published more than 3 years ago... like around the time development for HL:A started. Hopefully locomotion has come a long way since then. Hopefully.
yeah, I agree.. It took me way to long to find a video just to explain how to get around in VR worlds. So far, it seems terrible. Would a joystick on the VR controller really make everyone sick?
@@demon646 no, it works perfectly for me in boneworks and other games, teleportation defeats the point of vr by completely shattering immersion.
@@demon646 - Ever feel sick when using your phone or playing a game for a long time on a long drive? It's the same concept, in reverse. When your eyes or inner ear pick up movement, but the other doesn't, it causes severe illness in some people. I get the latter, personally. Thankfully, I don't get VR motion sickness even with high-speed movement in games.
@@XeNoiseGaming - As he said at the beginning: It doesn't happen to everyone. It does, however, happen to more than half of people, so that's a pretty significant.
That said, I completely agree with teleporting defeating the purpose of VR.
This is one of the best videos i've seen very informative and interesting
Good thumbnail lol
I hate "teleportation" reminds me of old school dungeon crawler games.
chickenracer25 a dungeon crawler wouldnt be bad with it. If your teleportation was on a cooldown too
It would be cool if you got people who actually have motion sickness to try these. I would be interested of which methods work best for those people.
I can pitch the idea to some of my more motion-sensitive friends but I doubt I'll get any takers lol
4:30 This is fucking genius. This is genuine genius in the most legitimate sense of the word.
8:22, 11:52 Also amazing.
I will never buy a game that doesn't have regular movement.
You can quickly get over motion sickness. You can't get over the shitty teleportation method.
I bought VR for the immersion. Forced teleportation kills that.
That is why we need an awesome 360 degree treatmill for VR. Including running, sitting, jumping and lying.
I've tried them and it really doesn't feel like you're walking. It feels awful
bananaboy482
I think the future will present some good treatmill solutions. Right now, the Infinadeck has the best chances, I believe.
ericpoperic Yea but right now it needs some serious work
need a ceiling mounted harness probably
I wish there was some method that would just get rid of my motion sickness cause it just ruins some of the games I play. However I'm glad that they acknowledge people who do have it and try to find a solution to it.
Omnidirectional Treadmills maybe?
If you can afford it that is because I can’t.
Pro-Tip! Stop wobbling your head and turning it from side to side so much.
lol I noticed that when I watched the video, it's hard to not look around in VR but I'll work on it
4:16 This kinda makes me think of how the holodeck in StarTrek possibly works. Certain size walking space so the simulation tricks you into thinking your walking forward when you're actually walking in circles or back and forth. But with this tech demo it doesn't do it that complex, but still similar concept.
Teleportation is awful. Free locomotion is amazing! Look at Doom VFR... people hated it until there was a free locomotion patch
People hated it not because teleportation is awful, but because they wanted options. The reason for teleportation is motion sickness. It's like being allergic to a food, you simply can't pick that food because it's better-tasting, or you might throw up or worse. I think every game where it's able to have more than one option should have more than one option. Most VR games are singleplayer, and thus having teleportation as an option does not ruin the game for you.
THERES A LOCOMOTION PATCH????!!!???!!!??? SHIT........ I never got it just because I wasn’t going to support a teleport only game. Fuck that. They need to learn right now to develop for the people who actually are using this shit every other day. Not could be maybe sometime in the future hopefully “customers”. They need to keep the base hyped up enough to keep the casuls/non early adopters interested. They got it backwards.
Though this rant aside most games do seem to do both now. So yay...... It was just very frustrating in the early days.
Wouldn't it make more sense that someone who is very susceptible to motion sickness reviews these different locomotion systems and says which ones work?
Well done. The only thing I might add is a teleportation variation I've seen which toggles scale. For example, in a VR city you make yourself a giant to traverse large distances The zoom and pan mechanic used in map interfaces is another example.
I was 16 years old when my dad brought home Pong. My brother and I spent many happy hours hitting that white square "ball" back and forth on the TV screen. It amazes me that, in my lifetime, we have gone from that to this!
Yeah technology has come a long way, now you can play Pong in Virtual Reality against people across the world!
How large is your playspace?
2.8m x 3.8m
I dont get motion sickness moving with the stick so who really cares about the sick people
It's fascinating that we have this whole new technology, where you accually have to rething all the basic game mechanics. It feels like the begeinnig of video gamin all over again. I wonder what will come out of it all.
Yeah VR gaming is weird in that it's probably the most "futuristic" thing I've ever experienced, but at the same time it also feels like I have gone back in time to the arcade gaming era
Nice Video Thanks :)
Locomotion is prob my favorite topic in vr right now so thanks for the vid! Like you i dont get motion sick but i love trying these new movement methods, lets hope devs don't try and standardize to early and give us options.
Thumbs up for including WalkAbout! my favourite lomotion solution so far! It obviously won't work for every game, but anything involving predominantly exploration will work really well with this, as it is so much more immersive!
This is a really good video. Have you made a video on haptics in vr?
I haven't, haptics are one of the underappreciated aspects of Vive VR, they increase immersion quite a bit. Unfortunately it's a hard concept to represent in a video.
I would probably add what I kind of think of as step teleportation. Essentially pressing on the pad to move forward instead of smoothly moving forward will just teleport the world the distance of a step or two. As someone who does get VR sickness (it's not actually motion sickness since motion sickness is the opposite cause, the inner ear says you are moving bur your eyes say you are not, commonly something you might get while reading a book in a car, for example) I found it interesting in Technolust early on when he played with that where I would use a smooth artificial locomotion until I would begin to feel that slight twinge of queasiness and then I'd switch to the step teleportation mechanic, even pressing the trigger to "run" making it a very fast stutter step, like watching an old movie, would instantly make the queasiness go away. I would do that for a while and could go back to smooth motion for a while until the feeling came back then I'd just switch back again.
Admittedly that method does break immersion somewhat but it worked really well for me. You may have also seen on reddit some mention of a recent study showing that s subtle reduction of FOV wile using artificial locomotion apparently seemed to reduce VR sickness as well. That's not necessarily a locomotion method, of course, so not necessarily relevant to your video.
I would also add that, while not are really commercially available just yet, that omni-directional treadmills will be another locomotion method that may prove useful for reducing or eliminating VR sickess as well. That's not necessarily a software locomotion method, mind you, but is an overall locomotion solution for VR that may prove of some use, although it remains to be seen how common any of those may become considering the price point.
One of (if not) the best compilation of vr locomotion without expensive equipment. Job really well done!
Great video! I was thinking that there needed to be a catalog of locomotion techniques out there for VR devs and here you have already done that.
Once I can afford my vive (hopefully in a few weeks or so), I'd love trying to implement some horse-riding for moving around. You'd use your arms to hold the bridle of your horse and you could control the movement you your horse by moving your arms. I think that'd be a really good method for moving around longer distances. If you'd combine this with the RIPmotion-method from 5:33 or the VR zGame-method from 13:31 for close-distance movement, I think that you could easily traverse large open-world areas without ever having motionsickness or being thrown out of the illusion. Thanks for the great video!
Sounds like a great idea! There's another experimental locomotion idea that involves moving by bobbing your head, I couldn't find a demo for this video unfortunately, but that would also work well for horse riding
I got zero motion sickness from boneworks or any artificial locomotion, never gotten sick once since I got my rift S on Christmas and have played boneworks and Pavlov
For me its the complete Opposite,
After the first 2 Floors you walk through i almost vomit
@@user-vs4yc9kh3g yikes
2018 and still the same vr headsets ... disappointingly slow .... they kill the vr industry with their incompetence to bring real innovation ... we need smarter ppl
Hi!
just bought a HTC vive... all games and even the "vive tutorial" looks horrible through the vive. They look great on my 1080 pc monitor but in the HTC its like playing on 640x480 AND text is almost unreadable.
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A round Nintendo-like balance board would be good too maybe? The balance board allows jumping and side step too. Great for exercise too! Jogging is good, just like what this video shows.
I don't believe any locomotion for vr are a be all end al solution to the problem. If BCIs ever become a thing, they would eliminate all issues with locomotion but they are far from reality currently. For now, the only way we can make locomotion less awkward is to fundamentally change the way we think about bipedal motion. A good example of this can be seen in Eric Tereshinski's Jet Island Dev Logs (the first one : ua-cam.com/video/wEaQ3DN_inI/v-deo.html). This method apparently reduces motion sickness but also allows you to get to different parts of the map with relative ease and actually looks kind of fun.
How about "simulating" the keyboard arrow keys, like one step forward makes you move forward (and keep moving), 2 steps to run, and if you want to stop moving, you go back to your original zero position
Teleportation feels like goimg back to Myst, for me. I dislike feeling like I'm back in the 90s. XP
Search for "Armswing VR" its a more refined version of swinging your arms. Theres also a guy that made a small SAO demo with also such a locomotion
Basically there is no good solution for locomotion. Short of having a clunky omni-directional treadmill installed at your home (which will only ever be viable to niche users), HMD-style VR will always have this problem. BCI-style VR would fix this problem in theory, but it's questionable if it's even possible to do.
I think people should force themselves to use artificial/regular locomotion whenever available.
There are plenty of technologies that made people sick until they adjusted to them.
The more you use it the more your body gets use to it.
And frankly teleportation defeats the whole point of VR for me.
Universe Sandbox 2 has a method where you can grab the environment and drag it in any direction. Works very well and did not give me any symptoms of motion sickness.
I also have an idea for locomotion. Easy and not shown here, maybe I should fire up Unreal engine again and get to work ;)
Watching you try the climbing one made me think of how badly we need something like this incorporated into a Spider-Man game in VR and then you fucking mentioned it as I started typing this! And then the grappling thing! Ahhhhh that looks fun!
An improved kinect, a body suit that vibrates and applies pressure to your body are two things that I think could help.
Fascinating shit. Can't wait for them to pin down a really good locomotion mechanic :)
And I just realised how much I want a Spiderman VR game... 14:27
The Unseen Diplomacy thing did not seem like a locomotion solution. Also, please don't say "ekcetera."
Hey man I have a tip for you. Why dont you try attaching a snap hook on your belt loop so you can feed the vive wire through it. That way the wire will stay behind you because it looks like its getting wrapped around your body.
well you got my sub vr deticated channels are really hard to find imo :/.
Also i think there porbly is not going to be 1 standard way to move around. Fun thing about vr is they can use diffrent locomotion methods that would suit the game the are making. so like bumble said if you would have a spiderman game you could have the climb mechanics where lets say budgets the teleportation makes sense. its a new field and i really intrested in what people a going to do with it
cool. it looks like I'm sticking to my mouse and keyboard for the foreseeable future. it seems that locomotion in vr is still an unsolved problem.
i was gonna chime in gorn, but i'm not sure if it is too similar to the climbing mechanic. you use the grip buttons i believe to sort of crawl forwards and to me it feels sort of like you're just using your hands to walk. later on you get a fun pair of gloves that let you jump high as well if you thrust your arms downwards while the buttons are being pressed.
The 3rd system will be the king with Survival/Horror games like amnesia, fuck a monster run away with your arms xD.
I bought unseen deplomacy after this video! Deffiantley try it I have had vr for 4 days and I felt like I was walking in a real building and gettign artificial locomotion out of the way makes you feel so much in the world.. When there was a ledge because i wasnot thinking about the click tp teleport i was so much into it that i was scared if i walked foreward i would fall o-o
Hover Junkers puts you on a hovercraft guided by a laser pointer attached to your hand.
Very cool that you compared all these differnt methods. I think the Industry have to find good solutions for locomotion. Otherwise a lot of games are not possible in VR!
I hate teleporting so much. I have no interest in buying a VR headset until they kill that off.
Teleportation seems like to play a MYST-Game. ^^ Locomotion works better for me.
I was curious about what some people came out with for locomotion. I think teleportation is bad in some cases, and artificial locomotion doesn't seem immersive to me as you are not moving irl. Great video!
have you looked at hoboloco? its a hoverboard like VR locomotion device
I think every single vr game should have an option to use a normal walking movement
some of these look really interesting. I may use one in my vive game. (it was just green-lit) and your really lucky to not get vr sickness!!! thanks for making this!
Congrats on getting your game greenlit! I'm glad more devs are looking into alternate locomotion methods
+Bumble Thanks!!! are you a game dev to?
Nope just an enthusiastic gamer lol
+Bumble ahhhh! ok cook! you should check out my game then! it's on my channel!
Looks awesome! I love horror games in VR, are you going to add motion controls support for Vive?
Awesome, I'm pleased they are looking for solutions to this, it's one of the reasons I haven't got VR yet (other than gearvr) having to teleport to move was a no go for me. Someday when portable VR is feasible we will be able to just go out to an open field or something and play any game we want and run practically forever, that would be a blast. It would be even cooler if they had big sensors on towers at the corners of the field to locate you, then you could put props in the field that fit the map, fake buildings, etc and have other players join you, kinda like that indoor VR thing but huge scale. VR is going to be nuts in a few years from now I think.
Yeah but real life doesn't have the graphics up to par :)
I get motion sickness from your video lmao
How do you enable locomotion on oculus link I don't have steam
Who could not watch this video because of dizziness?)
anyone else watch Ready Player One then go on a huge VR video binge?
All of this will be solved by the virtuix omni treadmil :D
Proofs exist only in mathematics, but cool video.
Unseen diplomacy actually looks pretty dope
You try to give the video more brightness it will be great if you do
what's the teleport name at 1:55? nobody knows?
r u Gogh?
how did you do it can you share with me , thank you
Very interesting thanx for sharing ur research
how did you do it can you share with me , thank you
unseen diplomacy is my favorite
I don't even have vr why I am watching this
Quit moving your head so much!!!!!
i like the way budget cuts did locomotion
Thanks for putting this video together!
What kind of locmotion is in climbly vr
I have a solution: wheelchairs.
No mention of Naruto running?
Amazing video! Really well done.
13:56 ...lucky bastard
Very good video, thanks.
I don't like any of these help "weak stomach people" movement alternatives (not counting windlands). Omni-directional and button movement are still the best options right now in my opinion.
Albeit, "weak stomach people" do exist, I have to agree. Some of these movement alternatives are like moving with the mouse, It works for some things, and not for others.
I don't experience motion sickness but even without considering motion sickness the fact remains that button movement is not very immersive. My take is always that if something would be awkward in real life it probably won't work in VR. It would be really weird in real life if you pressed some button and suddenly you were being thrust forward but then continue at a constant speed without any visible physical mechanism causing such a change. It's the same reason that when people try to turn lights on in dreams it commonly doesn't work - and consequently why it's a reality check - which is the case because when we flick a switch we don't really think about how doing so turns the light on subconsciously.
Abram Painter yeah but the alternative is teleporting around like a point and click game, which is like 10x less immersive.
I am but a measly console player. I use a stick on my controller to move, and another to look around. My point of view is seen from like 2-3 feet away, on a monitor that isn't on my face, yet I do not suffer lack of immersion.
Games that are good enough in realism and/or story can still be very immersive, making you forget for a moment that you aren't in the game.
In VR, even with moving around a virtual environment without moving around physically is a much *MUCH* better option when the only other is clicking on the floor and appearing there.
I have to agree, while button or stick based Locomotion can be mildly immersion breaking, it is far less so than teleportation.
Nails s: I’m one of those "weak stomach" people. While I’m happy you don’t get the motion sickness some of us do. Good for you that you don’t have the problem. But it does no good to denigrate people who do. There are enough people who get motion sickness that it needs to be addressed. If the developers have made you happier with what you think is a better mode of movement, that’s great, but your happiness should not be contingent on excluding others simply due to *your* preference.
Game development is a business and being in business means you try to reach a wider market. There is a large enough population that is turned off not because of a game type preference, but because it actually makes them sick. I understand not all game genres can accommodate two kinds of movement; car racing, flying and a number of others, but there should be two options when possible.
Super review. Sub thrown!
4:35 yaaaaa I dont like that
Treadmill or bust.
Seems really odd to me, all these methods and variations trying to solve a problem that people can acclimate to. Did it ever occur to just find away to teach people how to get used to the motion sickness?
It's pretty much a matter of "suck it up" and eventually you'll get use to it.
Teleportation defeats the entire point of VR IMO.
I wouldn't say teleportation defeats the entire purpose of VR. Would teleporting outside of VR defeat the purpose of real life? VR is good because it looks like you're there, teleportation or not. While yes, it does improve the immersion in some games to move smoothly instead of suddenly, it doesn't ruin the experience.
But you should return to VR with direct movement without giving up so easily. So your body can adapt to it.
I have vertigo, I love rock climbing.
I kept rock climbing because I love it and my vertigo slowly went away.
Or anxiety and panic attacks on a rollercoaster, I knew there was nothing to worry about but I had no control over it.
I persisted with it and it eventually went away.
The human body can get use to pretty much any condition if you keep exposing yourself to it.
It's all just chemicals and reactions.
Vertigo is not in the same vein as motion sickness. Vertigo is a fear, motion sickness is a physical feeling coming from sensory inputs that your brain normally doesn't compute well with. Its the same as using a phone or reading a book for long periods of time while in a moving vehicle. Some people get motion sickness because you are viewing a stationary image while your inner-ear is sensing movement. It doesn't just stop if you keep doing it.
Thank you for very interesting video!
So, the best thing we have in 2019 is when you ride a car and can shoot stuff. All other methods are teleports, undeveloped or motion sickness. =(
STOMPZ uses walking/running in place. The inventer (mattCarrell) was a local ... so I was able to try it at VR meet-ups. :D
teleportation sucks
thank you for the review of so many locomotion systems, very useful for anybody involved in VR experimenting, planning a 2018 update?
In order for the "hallway" mechanic to be effective, you need a 40'x40' area I believe. At that scale, the turning is imperceptible as far as I know. Ideally you could walk, or even run around. Maybe one day homes will dedicate a whole floor as a holodeck.
I liked the "VR Z Game" locomotion mechanic (auto move to the point you clicked at). Looked like it would work well for "Fallout 4 VR".
Quick question (don't have access to a HMD as of yet so can't answer for myself). With the first method of locomotion you demoed, have you tried blurring the image at the edges of the player's vision and/or adding an increasing vignette based on movement duration.
If you've tried either, have they helped at all?
The first method is genius. Really takes advantage of room scale. Only disadvantage is if you have a small play space.
@Bumble seems like somebody re-uploaded your video without giving you credits: watch?v=vmbVOM2Z7As
Yeah I reported that channel awhile ago, but youtube said they weren't violating the TOS somehow, so they won't do anything about it. Luckily they stopped uploading a over a year ago
nice work to collect all