That video snip from Legion is such a relevant statement on our collective delusions. I've watched it so many times over the last few years and I still get goosebumps and the willies.
3:25 kinda funny how that, while you could saythis whole allegory refers to David only, this specific line of "what if everyone lived in a cave" applies to how everyone fell into their own delusions at the end, at the trial, with farouk victorious, and everyone just blaming david for everything, completely forgetting farouk
In Plato's vision in his masterpiece "The Republic" every human being lives in the cave. The modern day screen society would be a cave within the cave pretending to be the escape from it. Quite depressing really. Almost 2500 years have past and with our recent technological evolution we've only been digging deeper. Best wishes and a lot of courage for 2021 to all.
So wait, in corelate with David in the final episode, does that mean his narcissistic delusion is "I am a good person, I deserve love" and the moment he was confronted in the trial, his delusions broke? He is "out of the cave" so to speak.
@@chickadee874 I agree on that interpretation but it falls more on the "Make your own villain". David made his own bad actions and decisions, but they were massively unfair. especially given how, somehow Farouk got scott free with everything (his Lima syndrome and his evil past self somehow still intact), and Syd was never even once confronted with how what david did to her was what she did to minimum her mom's boyfriend.
To me it shows what happens when we let people fall through the crack and we lack empathy or compassion. Spoiler for Titans season 3; Jason Todds character in the end of season 2 and this one is a great example coz enter in someone maliciously inclined like Dr Crane who wants to manipulate a powerful person. David had Farouk. The shadow king. He didn’t just manipulate him, he fed off him and used him to survive. Then when it served him he would spout off some thing to Syd or Mel. David was a good kid. He was messed up and told he was insane his whole life, forced to hear voices and see dead people. No wonder he used the blue. So in not granting David even an explanation they betrayed him (in his eyes, and others) and when you have a vulnerable kid who’s also the most powerful mutant known to mankind and he starts a mission of revenge we can see how he got there. He definitely shouldn’t have erased Syd’s memory but the shit she saw in the cave and heard etc was unreasonable and manipulated. But David can alter time, space, dimensions and create and modify realities so hes basically as omnipotent as an entity could be.
Thank you for capturing and sharing. I teach writing and rhetoric, and there are quite a few version of the AOTC out there; this is a pree great addition. Jon Hamm's voiceover does it right.
Please no, don't even acknowledge that shitty fucking movie. I want the New Mutants to be in media more than anyone, but after that shitshow, I'd rather they just start over.
I watched it all, but It feels like I've forgotten most of Legion. I don't remember that. Despite having forgotten a lot of it, I remember usually thinking it was brilliant. Weird.
We have all been prisoners in Plato's cave. It has gotten worse in recent years as a symptom of the modern world, of texting and social media. I'm going to try my best to abstain from texting and posting for as long as I can. I want to live in the real world. I miss that world.
As much as i appreciate the poignant commentary about narcissism (or more accurately, this describes solipsism), the allegory of the cave is supposed to be an introduction to the idea of metaphysics. I feel its misused in this context, in a way that belittles what it actually is. Which is a shame, because the theme of metaphysics actually works really well with the style of Legion
Good points, Ben. Can we do both? Can we find gray area in between? I like to think that watching that segment was for many people their first time hearing about Plato's Cave, and maybe a few of those folks will decide to dig deeper...
I see it more as a interpretation than a single use to the series, think about how many things matches to the metaphor of the cave, it will be more misused if they use only one point of view
This expands the cave wall into our digital reality we live in now, the walls of the cave are our social media pages. The whole point of allegory of a cave was to expand our minds from narrow thinkers
1:52 i hindsight, this comment somehow aged badly yet somehow also aged well with the whole pandemic and how the "prism" is one of the few ways to stay communicated while we are under lockdown. HOWEVER said prism can also cause some people to just focus on the specific news that cause hysteria which just cause people to lash out online, and therefore causes what the video talks about how "everyone just becomes shadows, that are not real"
Ehh... Physical reality as we perceive it is still just shadows. Even without looking at a phone, I'm sure she still sees the world through filters such as her culture and personal beliefs.
Yes, but narcissism is actually promoted in modern society, whereas narcissism in historical society was considered a sin. Tinder, Instagram, Facebook... Those are all rooted in narcissism, trying to tease out more narcissism to try to get you to become more addicted. In our world, narcissism is embraced.
this scenes kinda tell that, not directly, but they give the things to end at that conclusion. With the Moral panic one, and maybe a little bit of the Conspiracy one and the Unwelt
We can only see and perceive in 3 dimension and there is at least 10 dimension accordin to string theory. That is what platos cave is the ideal that u will never see the “real” world because we doesnt have the ability to “see” it we are just seeing part of the world it is like a 2d shape trying to see 3d it is impossible to see but they can imagine.
There's medicine to "see" more dimensions. The cave's walls are plenty. One of the mane ones being human psychology. We are all in the cave. Plato even put the words into the mouth of his assassinated mentor Socrates because he, Plato, wouldn't pretend to be out of the cave. What we see here is that 2500 years later and with all our recent technology we've only created a cave within the cave. Happy 2021.
Remember when MARVEL made intelligent content with social commentaries that wasn't preachy because it trusted its audience to be smart enough to get the message ? Yeah... Good times... Please more LEGION and less of the inane garbage we're getting now please... :/
Any show with a underlying message can be seen as "preachy". Its just whether you agree with the message or not. Dailywire is trying to make an anti-woke cartoon show and to certain people it reeks of preaching an Anti-woke message. If your show has a message, its preachy.
As has been mentioned, this is not a good application of Plato’s Allegory of the Cave. Perhaps considering it as a world of sub-reality, where there is a progressive withdrawal from the complexities of the real world into a stream of slogans, images, and labels. This could be considered as analogous to the hyper-reality occupied by so many celebrities, inclusive of many in entertainment, sports, politics, and the wealthy generally. Through continuous adulation with the complicity of the media, and exclusive association with people like themselves, they create a faux-homogeneous world that is both similar to and different from those living in the world of sub-reality.
The awakening up experience is quite exhilarating isn't it, how enlightening to know, The Light while everyone else is in darkness while we walk amongst them and they would never ever even know it, only those who know it don't say it. it is like a secret that only one knows by being special. Ναί, the truth of the matter is, who can you tell? To quote Our LORD: Though I tell you the truth, you cannot believe.
Ναι, of course it does, you see, it will always be narcissistic to those who do not know, who do not relate, who feel excluded, δηλαδή as if we are speaking another tongue that you are unable to understand unable to speak and this person believes that you are speaking about them. because they lack the specific special requisite skill set. :)
There is a decent message buried in this, too bad it's covered in such boomer "LOL technology bad!" bullshit. Only of the only shitty parts of the Legion monologues.
Jon Hamm's voice is so perfect as the Narrator for these bits.
Can't help hearing it as some pitch to sell a 60ies cigarette brand...
Platos cave is toasted
That video snip from Legion is such a relevant statement on our collective delusions. I've watched it so many times over the last few years and I still get goosebumps and the willies.
This deserves 50 million views.
8 000 000 000 cca. with deep understanding and coming back to it at least once a week
3:25 kinda funny how that, while you could saythis whole allegory refers to David only, this specific line of "what if everyone lived in a cave" applies to how everyone fell into their own delusions at the end, at the trial, with farouk victorious, and everyone just blaming david for everything, completely forgetting farouk
What spiritual awakening looks like 🧘🏻♀🌍🦋 Amazing storytelling!
All of these bits are perfect examples of the current state of the world.
Very true!
Absolutely
yeah, some people called this "dead internet theory"
As soon as I saw the people waiting for JFK Jr. to come back from the dead inthouhht of this.
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This is one of my favourite scenes.
In Plato's vision in his masterpiece "The Republic" every human being lives in the cave. The modern day screen society would be a cave within the cave pretending to be the escape from it.
Quite depressing really. Almost 2500 years have past and with our recent technological evolution we've only been digging deeper.
Best wishes and a lot of courage for 2021 to all.
Well said Roel. And now it's 2022...........
@@Martine1love Yeah and now it's 2022 april...
hello 2024
@@Martine1love Now it's 2024
@@Skillex128 Yes.....
So wait, in corelate with David in the final episode, does that mean his narcissistic delusion is "I am a good person, I deserve love" and the moment he was confronted in the trial, his delusions broke? He is "out of the cave" so to speak.
No the idea of everyone lynch mobbing David under the justification that he is a monster is the delusion. David deserved love.
@@mestronghandle I think Noah Hawley said watching David is watching a villain being made
@@chickadee874 I agree on that interpretation but it falls more on the "Make your own villain".
David made his own bad actions and decisions, but they were massively unfair.
especially given how, somehow Farouk got scott free with everything (his Lima syndrome and his evil past self somehow still intact), and Syd was never even once confronted with how what david did to her was what she did to minimum her mom's boyfriend.
legion’s paradox is funny. even in the comics, you can never understand if he’s the villain, or the hero. he’s just david. lol
To me it shows what happens when we let people fall through the crack and we lack empathy or compassion.
Spoiler for Titans season 3;
Jason Todds character in the end of season 2 and this one is a great example coz enter in someone maliciously inclined like Dr Crane who wants to manipulate a powerful person.
David had Farouk. The shadow king. He didn’t just manipulate him, he fed off him and used him to survive. Then when it served him he would spout off some thing to Syd or Mel.
David was a good kid. He was messed up and told he was insane his whole life, forced to hear voices and see dead people. No wonder he used the blue.
So in not granting David even an explanation they betrayed him (in his eyes, and others) and when you have a vulnerable kid who’s also the most powerful mutant known to mankind and he starts a mission of revenge we can see how he got there.
He definitely shouldn’t have erased Syd’s memory but the shit she saw in the cave and heard etc was unreasonable and manipulated.
But David can alter time, space, dimensions and create and modify realities so hes basically as omnipotent as an entity could be.
Me, into year 3 of quarantine, feeling more connected to fictional characters in a tv show than to real people: haha yeah
Wonderful seeing many of the topics I studied brought to the screen in such a vivid way.
Thank you for capturing and sharing. I teach writing and rhetoric, and there are quite a few version of the AOTC out there; this is a pree great addition. Jon Hamm's voiceover does it right.
AH thanks, I was wondering where I know that voice from!
I was waiting for "That's why Lucky Strike is toasted."
I read AOTC as Attack of the Clones and wondered, what does that movie have to do with Legion?
@@proctologistbarbiethey were talking about the Allegory of the Cave, not Star Wars
You know, if Jon Hamm's scenes as Mr. Sinister weren't cut from "The New Mutants", these narrations could've been a clever tie-in to the X-Men films.
We've already seen the kid who played a young David in Deadpool 2. So who knows
Please no, don't even acknowledge that shitty fucking movie. I want the New Mutants to be in media more than anyone, but after that shitshow, I'd rather they just start over.
Philosophy is literally the best
Social Media explained in 4 minutes
This says a lot about our society.
This says alot about ourselves..
This show was great
Big Plato he was 3000 years ahed of his time
I watched it all, but It feels like I've forgotten most of Legion. I don't remember that. Despite having forgotten a lot of it, I remember usually thinking it was brilliant. Weird.
watcfh it again and again and etc,etc
I think we just collectively hallucinated about it.
May 17, 2023: Life (such as it is) continues in the Cave.
We have all been prisoners in Plato's cave. It has gotten worse in recent years as a symptom of the modern world, of texting and social media. I'm going to try my best to abstain from texting and posting for as long as I can. I want to live in the real world. I miss that world.
Yup. I loved this interpretation.
Can you please add CC to this?
Allegory of the cave 2024
I wish all my fellow shadows a very pleasant day.
Melhor metáfora da alegoria da caverna que o meu professor explicou
As much as i appreciate the poignant commentary about narcissism (or more accurately, this describes solipsism), the allegory of the cave is supposed to be an introduction to the idea of metaphysics. I feel its misused in this context, in a way that belittles what it actually is. Which is a shame, because the theme of metaphysics actually works really well with the style of Legion
Good points, Ben. Can we do both? Can we find gray area in between? I like to think that watching that segment was for many people their first time hearing about Plato's Cave, and maybe a few of those folks will decide to dig deeper...
I see it more as a interpretation than a single use to the series, think about how many things matches to the metaphor of the cave, it will be more misused if they use only one point of view
This expands the cave wall into our digital reality we live in now, the walls of the cave are our social media pages. The whole point of allegory of a cave was to expand our minds from narrow thinkers
Ναι εγώ συμφωνώ
I think he repurposed it for his story
So true!
I know this is very out of the topic but... who else thought of Red Velvet at 2:42 “dumb dumb dumb” lol
THATS THE WORLD
I felt this
Anyone know any channels or videos like this one?
Ah, yes, the Shadow King
1:52 i hindsight, this comment somehow aged badly yet somehow also aged well with the whole pandemic and how the "prism" is one of the few ways to stay communicated while we are under lockdown.
HOWEVER said prism can also cause some people to just focus on the specific news that cause hysteria which just cause people to lash out online, and therefore causes what the video talks about how "everyone just becomes shadows, that are not real"
153, te amo ✌️😉
Ehh...
Physical reality as we perceive it is still just shadows.
Even without looking at a phone, I'm sure she still sees the world through filters such as her culture and personal beliefs.
sure but look at what the world would be like without social media...There'd be QUITE the difference, so yeah not exactly...
Deven Papineau if you wanna look at the world before social media just research it. It existed
omg OBVIOUSLY...but that' clearly not the point im making here
Yes, but narcissism is actually promoted in modern society, whereas narcissism in historical society was considered a sin. Tinder, Instagram, Facebook... Those are all rooted in narcissism, trying to tease out more narcissism to try to get you to become more addicted. In our world, narcissism is embraced.
this scenes kinda tell that, not directly, but they give the things to end at that conclusion. With the Moral panic one, and maybe a little bit of the Conspiracy one and the Unwelt
where is this video subtitled in Spanish
conclusion : dont be narcissistic cause , when you actually care about others , it will be very strange for you and youll be confused
I love that this video has 0 dislikes
Haha, dislikes are disabled by UA-cam now.
Touch grass people. It's a cure for narcassism, apparently.
We can only see and perceive in 3 dimension and there is at least 10 dimension accordin to string theory. That is what platos cave is the ideal that u will never see the “real” world because we doesnt have the ability to “see” it we are just seeing part of the world it is like a 2d shape trying to see 3d it is impossible to see but they can imagine.
There's medicine to "see" more dimensions.
The cave's walls are plenty. One of the mane ones being human psychology. We are all in the cave. Plato even put the words into the mouth of his assassinated mentor Socrates because he, Plato, wouldn't pretend to be out of the cave. What we see here is that 2500 years later and with all our recent technology we've only created a cave within the cave.
Happy 2021.
Oh fuck I'm awake
"Your phone is the cave!"
damn that's deep. I like the writer.
Plato ?
The book was so much better.
Just kidding this is the best depiction of Plato's cave.
I didn't get my parents permission to watch this first i hope no one calls the girl dumb 3 times
I thought the woman at 3:20 was Jennifer Connelly 🤦
You best start believing in Greek tragedies..
You're in one
Can this be redone with footage from Jan 6th?
What a joke
There is no Spoon.
Remember when MARVEL made intelligent content with social commentaries that wasn't preachy because it trusted its audience to be smart enough to get the message ?
Yeah... Good times... Please more LEGION and less of the inane garbage we're getting now please... :/
Any show with a underlying message can be seen as "preachy". Its just whether you agree with the message or not.
Dailywire is trying to make an anti-woke cartoon show and to certain people it reeks of preaching an Anti-woke message.
If your show has a message, its preachy.
HA!
As has been mentioned, this is not a good application of Plato’s Allegory of the Cave. Perhaps considering it as a world of sub-reality, where there is a progressive withdrawal from the complexities of the real world into a stream of slogans, images, and labels. This could be considered as analogous to the hyper-reality occupied by so many celebrities, inclusive of many in entertainment, sports, politics, and the wealthy generally. Through continuous adulation with the complicity of the media, and exclusive association with people like themselves, they create a faux-homogeneous world that is both similar to and different from those living in the world of sub-reality.
There is no a single "application" of Plato’s Allegory of the Cave, that’s the point of the allegory in the first place.
there is no good interpretation dude
Omg
Want to know the meaning of the allegory, then check out:
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Time to go cry... :)
Dwl
I came here for the yahoo comments.
The awakening up experience is quite exhilarating isn't it, how enlightening to know, The Light while everyone else is in darkness while we walk amongst them and they would never ever even know it, only those who know it don't say it. it is like a secret that only one knows by being special. Ναί, the truth of the matter is, who can you tell? To quote Our LORD: Though I tell you the truth, you cannot believe.
see, this to me sounds quite narcissistic; almost like you think you're better than those who are "in the darkness".
Ναι, of course it does, you see, it will always be narcissistic to those who do not know, who do not relate, who feel excluded, δηλαδή as if we are speaking another tongue that you are unable to understand unable to speak and this person believes that you are speaking about them. because they lack the specific special requisite skill set. :)
@@nathanaelitoel9832 Ναι?
Ναι ξέρω 🧐
@@nathanaelitoel9832 δηλαδή ?
Seems awfully poignant, no?
Am I the only one who tends to dissociate watching this ?
Phone bad
TELL LIE VISION.....WAKE UP
Indeed
Dae phone bad?! Dae wage gap real?!
It's hilarious that this video is on -in my opinion one of the worst website's that feed this exact narcissism that the video was talking about.
Cool chicken.
Cool egg.
Nice horse .
Paulo Tsurushima It’s a baboon, asshole.
The video comes from a TV show. It's a scene, genius
So lies the human race 2019
2:28 TRUMP
ORANGE MAN BAD
There is a decent message buried in this, too bad it's covered in such boomer "LOL technology bad!" bullshit. Only of the only shitty parts of the Legion monologues.
This was nonsense…