Allegory of the Cave - Legion
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2018
- Beautifully done analogy of Plato's, "Allegory of the Cave" depicted in the modern world in the FX show - Legion. No spoilers for the greater arc of the show. If anything this serves as free advertising for FX and how Legion is one of the best show's on Television right now. Enjoy!
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Jon Hamm's voice is so perfect as the Narrator for these bits.
Can't help hearing it as some pitch to sell a 60ies cigarette brand...
Platos cave is toasted
That video snip from Legion is such a relevant statement on our collective delusions. I've watched it so many times over the last few years and I still get goosebumps and the willies.
3:25 kinda funny how that, while you could saythis whole allegory refers to David only, this specific line of "what if everyone lived in a cave" applies to how everyone fell into their own delusions at the end, at the trial, with farouk victorious, and everyone just blaming david for everything, completely forgetting farouk
All of these bits are perfect examples of the current state of the world.
Very true!
Absolutely
yeah, some people called this "dead internet theory"
As soon as I saw the people waiting for JFK Jr. to come back from the dead inthouhht of this.
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This deserves 50 million views.
8 000 000 000 cca. with deep understanding and coming back to it at least once a week
In Plato's vision in his masterpiece "The Republic" every human being lives in the cave. The modern day screen society would be a cave within the cave pretending to be the escape from it.
Quite depressing really. Almost 2500 years have past and with our recent technological evolution we've only been digging deeper.
Best wishes and a lot of courage for 2021 to all.
Well said Roel. And now it's 2022...........
@@Martine1love Yeah and now it's 2022 april...
hello 2024
@@Martine1love Now it's 2024
@@Skillex128 Yes.....
Me, into year 3 of quarantine, feeling more connected to fictional characters in a tv show than to real people: haha yeah
For people confused, this ISN'T about David. It's about everyone else.
right?! especially how at the end, they put David AND ONLY DAVID, into a trial, completely disregarding him while Farouk gets scott free.
sure, david was not free from sins but really, ONLY HIM was the villain? are we forgetting the actual monster farouk was?
It's actually both, everyone fell for their own delusion because of their own caves, that's why David does morally ambiguos stuff (like killing Oliver as a means to an end, getting consumed by revenge and tricking Syd into still loving him and having sex) and at the end, when facing some of that truth he snaps, Syd fell for the delusion that David was the big bad turning against him and carrying everyone else, and when she gets amnesia and David has sex with her, she feels as a victim, she feels violated, but she had her mother's boyfriend in jail for a morally similar thing.
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 this exactly, especially when you consider David's motives and actions in season 3. He wants to reset his life and destroys the reality of the world and everyone in it because it was the reality where he was abandoned by his parents. David is the narcissist in that regard because nobody else mattered, because they weren't real to David because it wasn't the life he wanted. He did end the world, but his father Charles takes the blame for him and accepts the responsibility that David lay at his feet for something he had yet to do, namely, abandon David. It's such a great show where the thread of reality mixes with potential of everything and reality is what you make it out to be
What spiritual awakening looks like 🧘🏻♀🌍🦋 Amazing storytelling!
So wait, in corelate with David in the final episode, does that mean his narcissistic delusion is "I am a good person, I deserve love" and the moment he was confronted in the trial, his delusions broke? He is "out of the cave" so to speak.
No the idea of everyone lynch mobbing David under the justification that he is a monster is the delusion. David deserved love.
@@mestrong6017 I think Noah Hawley said watching David is watching a villain being made
@@chickadee874 I agree on that interpretation but it falls more on the "Make your own villain".
David made his own bad actions and decisions, but they were massively unfair.
especially given how, somehow Farouk got scott free with everything (his Lima syndrome and his evil past self somehow still intact), and Syd was never even once confronted with how what david did to her was what she did to minimum her mom's boyfriend.
legion’s paradox is funny. even in the comics, you can never understand if he’s the villain, or the hero. he’s just david. lol
To me it shows what happens when we let people fall through the crack and we lack empathy or compassion.
Spoiler for Titans season 3;
Jason Todds character in the end of season 2 and this one is a great example coz enter in someone maliciously inclined like Dr Crane who wants to manipulate a powerful person.
David had Farouk. The shadow king. He didn’t just manipulate him, he fed off him and used him to survive. Then when it served him he would spout off some thing to Syd or Mel.
David was a good kid. He was messed up and told he was insane his whole life, forced to hear voices and see dead people. No wonder he used the blue.
So in not granting David even an explanation they betrayed him (in his eyes, and others) and when you have a vulnerable kid who’s also the most powerful mutant known to mankind and he starts a mission of revenge we can see how he got there.
He definitely shouldn’t have erased Syd’s memory but the shit she saw in the cave and heard etc was unreasonable and manipulated.
But David can alter time, space, dimensions and create and modify realities so hes basically as omnipotent as an entity could be.
This is one of my favourite scenes.
You know, if Jon Hamm's scenes as Mr. Sinister weren't cut from "The New Mutants", these narrations could've been a clever tie-in to the X-Men films.
We've already seen the kid who played a young David in Deadpool 2. So who knows
Please no, don't even acknowledge that shitty fucking movie. I want the New Mutants to be in media more than anyone, but after that shitshow, I'd rather they just start over.
Wonderful seeing many of the topics I studied brought to the screen in such a vivid way.
Thank you for capturing and sharing. I teach writing and rhetoric, and there are quite a few version of the AOTC out there; this is a pree great addition. Jon Hamm's voiceover does it right.
AH thanks, I was wondering where I know that voice from!
I was waiting for "That's why Lucky Strike is toasted."
I read AOTC as Attack of the Clones and wondered, what does that movie have to do with Legion?
@@proctologistbarbiethey were talking about the Allegory of the Cave, not Star Wars
Philosophy is literally the best
This says a lot about our society.
This says alot about ourselves..
Big Plato he was 3000 years ahed of his time
Yup. I loved this interpretation.
I watched it all, but It feels like I've forgotten most of Legion. I don't remember that. Despite having forgotten a lot of it, I remember usually thinking it was brilliant. Weird.
watcfh it again and again and etc,etc
I think we just collectively hallucinated about it.
May 17, 2023: Life (such as it is) continues in the Cave.
This show was great
Melhor metáfora da alegoria da caverna que o meu professor explicou
I felt this
So true!
Can you please add CC to this?
As much as i appreciate the poignant commentary about narcissism (or more accurately, this describes solipsism), the allegory of the cave is supposed to be an introduction to the idea of metaphysics. I feel its misused in this context, in a way that belittles what it actually is. Which is a shame, because the theme of metaphysics actually works really well with the style of Legion
Good points, Ben. Can we do both? Can we find gray area in between? I like to think that watching that segment was for many people their first time hearing about Plato's Cave, and maybe a few of those folks will decide to dig deeper...
I see it more as a interpretation than a single use to the series, think about how many things matches to the metaphor of the cave, it will be more misused if they use only one point of view
This expands the cave wall into our digital reality we live in now, the walls of the cave are our social media pages. The whole point of allegory of a cave was to expand our minds from narrow thinkers
Ναι εγώ συμφωνώ
I think he repurposed it for his story
Ah, yes, the Shadow King
I wish all my fellow shadows a very pleasant day.
I know this is very out of the topic but... who else thought of Red Velvet at 2:42 “dumb dumb dumb” lol
THATS THE WORLD
Anyone know any channels or videos like this one?
Touch grass people. It's a cure for narcassism, apparently.
1:52 i hindsight, this comment somehow aged badly yet somehow also aged well with the whole pandemic and how the "prism" is one of the few ways to stay communicated while we are under lockdown.
HOWEVER said prism can also cause some people to just focus on the specific news that cause hysteria which just cause people to lash out online, and therefore causes what the video talks about how "everyone just becomes shadows, that are not real"
where is this video subtitled in Spanish
153, te amo ✌️😉
Can this be redone with footage from Jan 6th?
I didn't get my parents permission to watch this first i hope no one calls the girl dumb 3 times
The book was so much better.
Just kidding this is the best depiction of Plato's cave.
conclusion : dont be narcissistic cause , when you actually care about others , it will be very strange for you and youll be confused
Ehh...
Physical reality as we perceive it is still just shadows.
Even without looking at a phone, I'm sure she still sees the world through filters such as her culture and personal beliefs.
sure but look at what the world would be like without social media...There'd be QUITE the difference, so yeah not exactly...
Deven Papineau if you wanna look at the world before social media just research it. It existed
omg OBVIOUSLY...but that' clearly not the point im making here
Yes, but narcissism is actually promoted in modern society, whereas narcissism in historical society was considered a sin. Tinder, Instagram, Facebook... Those are all rooted in narcissism, trying to tease out more narcissism to try to get you to become more addicted. In our world, narcissism is embraced.
this scenes kinda tell that, not directly, but they give the things to end at that conclusion. With the Moral panic one, and maybe a little bit of the Conspiracy one and the Unwelt
damn that's deep. I like the writer.
Plato ?
"Your phone is the cave!"
Oh fuck I'm awake
I love that this video has 0 dislikes
Haha, dislikes are disabled by UA-cam now.
Omg
You best start believing in Greek tragedies..
You're in one
There is no Spoon.
I thought the woman at 3:20 was Jennifer Connelly 🤦
We can only see and perceive in 3 dimension and there is at least 10 dimension accordin to string theory. That is what platos cave is the ideal that u will never see the “real” world because we doesnt have the ability to “see” it we are just seeing part of the world it is like a 2d shape trying to see 3d it is impossible to see but they can imagine.
There's medicine to "see" more dimensions.
The cave's walls are plenty. One of the mane ones being human psychology. We are all in the cave. Plato even put the words into the mouth of his assassinated mentor Socrates because he, Plato, wouldn't pretend to be out of the cave. What we see here is that 2500 years later and with all our recent technology we've only created a cave within the cave.
Happy 2021.
Oh sweet irony... even this video itself is a "shadow". This is just the outward (exoteric) meaning that the author wants you to perceive, when in reality it has another (esoteric) meaning well known to occult societies.
HA!
Thanks for grabbing this part, perfect. Everybody on Earth needs to see this. Anybody who's looked at any comment section or been on social media themselves has seen the absolute worst of people. It's distorting. That's a fact. Politics and religion especially as politicians and those who seek powernow turn us against each other.
I have an interesting story for those who like to find gems in comment sections.
I used to be on a 'team'... We (my reality) were "Democrats". I thought 'we' were the good guys fighting against the 'bad guys'. Blinded by idealism and trust that surely other "Democrats" like me and mainstream media surely was always honest, if not honest there was a reason to be conniving. To insult and judge, I started seeing people I thought were good people suddenly start judging others without knowing them. It was a dark side I ignored, after all, "I'm a man of science, we can do better" was on my mind. I wasn't entirely wrong.
Admitting mistakes should be easy. To never make a mistake is to say we're born perfect.
A life and world not objectively examined without emotion, IMO at least, isn't worth living. It IS a lie to ourselves when we ignore all the bad and lie to ourselves. It's EASY to think Utopia is possible, or at least as I told myself, we can do 'better'. I conflated 'progressive' with progress. After all, what progress? It's not the same for all.... what is change? What should we change? What will the outcome be?
*We've already tried it. Its about where the ball lands (the outcome), and it's the same ball that's been rolling through history for millions of years. Many have tried to sway this ball called: Utopia. Good intentions is written on it. As it rolls, unaware, it kills over tens of millions and tears family units apart. We keep kicking the ball, it's easy to think we're "not quite there yet" we're mad at our lives. Angry. Bitter. Alone. Depressed. We blame the country we live instead of ourselves all too often. Blame games...
A dog craps in yard. Do we tell our children to beat their puppies when we pass away? These oppressors.... evil evil evil, surely the reason for this percieved oppression. Are we oppressed though and how? Who does it? Where? Whos telling us whos oppressed? We don't know them, we feel though. Feel. And blindly read headlines... Our political affiliation tells us what we wanna hear to fit our beliefs. They're good at taking advantage and need victims. Not victors.. why?.. Democrats are truly powerful, and if you didn't see that coming no right winger nor independent blames you.
Democracy goes too far when one side is so "offended" (uses emotions to tind solutions and reality in this obvious scenario) it rules with an iron fist and blames. Blames. Another burnt building and a few deaths from peaceful riots? Blame the other team... blame... they keep telling us who to blame for what yet when we see we're individuals it ALL falls apart. When the barbarians come knocking, when the utopians become prejudice and oppressive themselves. The snake eats its tail.
I didn't leave the Democrat party. It left me, the media and talking heads went way out kicking that ball and beating puppies.
I don't like beating puppies. You?
I came here for the yahoo comments.
Time to go cry... :)
Dwl
Am I the only one who tends to dissociate watching this ?
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As has been mentioned, this is not a good application of Plato’s Allegory of the Cave. Perhaps considering it as a world of sub-reality, where there is a progressive withdrawal from the complexities of the real world into a stream of slogans, images, and labels. This could be considered as analogous to the hyper-reality occupied by so many celebrities, inclusive of many in entertainment, sports, politics, and the wealthy generally. Through continuous adulation with the complicity of the media, and exclusive association with people like themselves, they create a faux-homogeneous world that is both similar to and different from those living in the world of sub-reality.
There is no a single "application" of Plato’s Allegory of the Cave, that’s the point of the allegory in the first place.
there is no good interpretation dude
If you do this in reality, you literally become Legion--that is, schizophrenic. The human brain is currently too unevolved to keep leaving the cave--because you see, you can't leave only once and call it good. You must keep going. Which drives you mad, aka schizophrenic. At least that’s what happened to me lol.
But if you keep going, and realize psychiatry is a cave, the diagnosis is a cave, well then, where do you ever end up? This relates directly to the Bible story of Legion, btw, it's the same meaning conveyed in a different metaphor. Jesus drives a demon named Legion from a human. That is, Legion is portrayed as an undesirable state, evil, and Jesus is portrayed as the yoke preventing you from entering the Legion state, which casts him as good. That is, Christianity lobotomizes you, or, to return to the original and gentler metaphor, prevents you from leaving the cave. You may agree with the Church, or side with Legion. It's a fine line to walk, frankly.
Man this show was incredible. A literal psychedelic road map, the ultimate trip report. Open your mind and it shows you the way through midnight, man.
"He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee."
Psychiatry is a doorway. You just have to exit the bad rooms and enter the good ones.
"Hell is other people."
The awakening up experience is quite exhilarating isn't it, how enlightening to know, The Light while everyone else is in darkness while we walk amongst them and they would never ever even know it, only those who know it don't say it. it is like a secret that only one knows by being special. Ναί, the truth of the matter is, who can you tell? To quote Our LORD: Though I tell you the truth, you cannot believe.
see, this to me sounds quite narcissistic; almost like you think you're better than those who are "in the darkness".
Ναι, of course it does, you see, it will always be narcissistic to those who do not know, who do not relate, who feel excluded, δηλαδή as if we are speaking another tongue that you are unable to understand unable to speak and this person believes that you are speaking about them. because they lack the specific special requisite skill set. :)
@@nathanaelitoel9832 Ναι?
Ναι ξέρω 🧐
@@nathanaelitoel9832 δηλαδή ?
TELL LIE VISION.....WAKE UP
Indeed
Phone bad
Remember when MARVEL made intelligent content with social commentaries that wasn't preachy because it trusted its audience to be smart enough to get the message ?
Yeah... Good times... Please more LEGION and less of the inane garbage we're getting now please... :/
Any show with a underlying message can be seen as "preachy". Its just whether you agree with the message or not.
Dailywire is trying to make an anti-woke cartoon show and to certain people it reeks of preaching an Anti-woke message.
If your show has a message, its preachy.
Dae phone bad?! Dae wage gap real?!
Seems awfully poignant, no?
It's hilarious that this video is on -in my opinion one of the worst website's that feed this exact narcissism that the video was talking about.
Cool chicken.
Cool egg.
Nice horse .
Paulo Tsurushima It’s a baboon, asshole.
The video comes from a TV show. It's a scene, genius
So lies the human race 2019
2:28 TRUMP
ORANGE MAN BAD
There is a decent message buried in this, too bad it's covered in such boomer "LOL technology bad!" bullshit. Only of the only shitty parts of the Legion monologues.
This was nonsense…