Fight for the Truth! Thank you. Scripture Alone is the only authority! It’s sad to see many many many self deceived. We must preach the Word for it is the only power for Salvation.
Alex totally nailed him! I think Dr White likes to overload his opponents with ao many objections and alex just cut through them like a buzz saw. I was so pleased
Two thousand years teaching the same doctrine and surviving self-inflicted wounds and external attacks are pretty good indicators that God meant the Catholic Church to be the one true Church. No other church can claim that.
When ignoring all the affliction it has placed upon humanity. All the death, horror and abuse of human freedoms, rights and dignity; and complicity with dictators and on-going abuse scandals. All that and wrapped up in an office of an unordained man who sits in the place of Christ. Satan's schemes are not short term, friend.
@@lkae4 EOC, Coptic church, etc they all part of the Catholic Church. They decided not to observe the Pope as prime pontiff, but it is ok (so, they are not Roman Catholics). One day the concept of papacy will certainly make sense to them. I can think of thousands of separated brothers who think likewise. I look forward for unity in the Body of Christ.
James was decimated once again and the Protestant uploaders turned off the comments. Of course we will follow Scripture, one of the highest Traditions of the Church.
Also James Whites claim that Catholic Church is sola-ecclesia is just false. We have 3 sources of infallible authority, Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and the Magisterium. And neither of the 3 can contradict each other.
Um lets see no contradictions you say do ya? Catholicism Doctrines NOT Taught in the Bible though the RCC claims it: 1. Papacy (1 Pope Over the Whole Church & Pope Infallibility) 2. Marian Dogmas (Immaculate Conception & Assumption of Mary) 3. Veneration of the Saints and Mary 4. Praying to Saints & Praying to Mary 5. Purgatory 6. Indulgences 7. No Salvation Outside Catholic Church 8. Muslims Can Be Saved They Believe in the Same God 9. Must Believe Water Baptism is Essential to Enter Kingdom of God (Dogma) 10. Anathema to Those Who Believe in Faith Alone That is a short list of Catholicism teaches that are in opposition to what the Bible teaches in context. So no, the 3 legged stool of Catholicism crumbles because it's Sacred Traditions and Magisterium don't stand up to the Holy Scriptures.
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics All of those doctrines have scriptural basis. Number 8 is not Catholic doctrine you are misinterpreting a statement from Vatican 2. And further, we don’t rely on Scripture alone, we also have Sacred Tradition. Not everything Jesus taught was written down and he gave teaching authority to the apostles. Now tell me where in scripture it teaches Sola Scriptura?
Of course Alwx has lost. That is why they have blocked comments under the video and you have to do so much of damage control, because many protestants now see thay they were lied to about Catholicism.
@user-rg4ni2hr6r Fair enough, another reason could be that there was too much passion in the comments. But what is more likely? Protestants waking up realizing that all they thought about Catholic church was a lie. And Alex is a great image if the awesome Catholic. Unfortunately I am not even close to him and letting my emotions take over me. But that doesn't change the fact that Protestants been lied to. And this video is another proof that your thought leaders are lying or misleading. Can't you see that in this video there are at least 5 major lies or misconceptions? Also tell me how Sola Scriptura could ever be right if 90% of people couldn't even read.
@user-rg4ni2hr6rI felt James White wasted his opening statement by going after the papacy which was not the topic of debate. I could only assume it was a tactic. He employed to get Alex off topic forcing him to use his rebuttal to address the papacy instead of the topic of the debate. Would have been brilliant if Alex fell for it but he didn't and I felt white was in an uphill battle after that point. In my opinion.
@user-rg4ni2hr6r I do think White underestimated Alex. I also don't think it was a tactic. I was given White the benefit of the doubt . Possibly White was thrown off by Alex using Scripture alone in his opening to refudiate the Scripture alone. Alex came in prepped and excited.
Jesus said said Luke 22:32 King James Version But I have prayed for you, that your faith fail not; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brothers.. The pope is to strengthen the brothers 15 When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?” “Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my lambs John 21:15 Clearly He singles out peter to strengthen His brothers and feed hlHis sheep..he did not tell Hisciples en masse. Giving Peter authority
Sure in the beginning Peter leads the way but that does not mean Peter was the pope or over the whole church. This is NEVER taught in the New Testament.
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics " This is NEVER taught in the New Testament." - because it is already taught in the Old Testament! I thought you said you were Berean ??
It was a very good debate; very open, honest and friendly. Both parties where honorable, charitable, funny and fair; exactly how a debate should be. Regarding the debate, it was an interesting match and very educational. However, it would be disingenuous to admit that Alex was, for a better word 'Victorious'. I can only and to be fair and objective state that Dr. James White demonstrated a clear and more adequately presented position of the evidence of Sola Scriptura than Alex, who attempted to present the existence of the Catholic papal authority. Unfortunately, though it was an enjoyable debate, it is apparent to me that Alex was outmatched by Dr. James White; having insufficiently demonstrate his position. Dr. James White's knowledge of Biblical language, culture, content and context was clearly greater and more expanded than that of Alex, and whilst Alex spoke with confidence, his position did not seem to move past the education he has received from his church; demonstrating a continued and, sadly, predictable parroting of his church's doctrine. More of less, Alex rarely appealed to Scripture; preferring the fallible revelation of early church fathers; something Dr. James White pointed out early on and their fallible nature; continuously bringing the discussion back to the perfect and infallible revelation of God's sovereign Word. I really hope Dr. James White and Alex have another debate in future.
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics White did not prove that God breath is only for scripture and that it meant scripture alone. He did not prove that His rendering was from scripture. Alex challenged him of any magisterial teaching that contradicted the scriptures which he claimed and white didn't provide any proof.
@@hilarykurungtiem8102 Yep - Alex whalloped White off his pedestal demonstrating God's Breath in FAR MORE that just (sola) the scriptures !!! White seemed quite taken aback on this revelation, blew out his momentum, and never quite recovered!
Irenaeus definitely believed in the papacy. He is not from Rome but he even lists all the successors of Peter in the Church of Rome. He even said this: “Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority.” You saying Irenaeus doesn’t teach it is bearing false witness.
Cite ANY reference of 1 BISHOP in LEADERSHIP OVER the WHOLE Church! Just 1 reference from apostolic early church fathers of a person who is a Bishop in authority and leadership OVER the whole Church. You do that you get the prize....I will be waiting to Jesus comes back on this...
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics I mean I am no scholar so I don't have a million quotes up my sleeve, and there might not be one that explicitly says a bishop has a leadership role over the whole church in the early church. They didn't have internet back then, it is not like the bishop of Rome was a super prominent figure back in the day to your average Christian. Instead, there is a lot of language talking about the church of Rome having authority (like what I quoted in my initial comment), and obviously the local churches saw their local bishops as being authoritative. Ignatius or Antioch said to submit to the bishop as the Son submits to the Father. If you look at the split between the Eastern Orthodox church and the Catholic church, some churches in the east didn't even know the split happened for the next 500 years, because like i said, they didn't have internet. Infallible papacy is not used often so the pope does not have a big role in my everyday life. When it is used, it is not usually teaching anything controversial. You probably see the bodily assumption of Mary as a controversial dogmatic statement, but that has been a mystery us Christians have been meditating on in the rosary since the 1400s. Sorry for the long reply but I want to share another quote from Maximus the confessor, who was from Constantinople in the 600s. "The extremities of the earth, and all in every part of it who purely and rightly confess the Lord look directly towards the most holy Roman Church and its confession and faith, as it were to a sun of unfailing light, awaiting from it the bright radiance of the sacred dogmas of our Fathers according to what the six inspired and holy councils have purely and piously decreed, declaring most expressly the symbol of faith. For from the coming down of the incarnate Word amongst us, all the Churches in every part of the world have held that greatest Church alone as their base and foundation, seeing that according to the promise of Christ our Saviour, the gates of hell do never prevail against it, that it has the keys of a right confession and faith in Him, that it opens the true and only religion to such as approach with piety, and shuts up and locks every heretical mouth that speaks injustice against the Most High." The vast majority of Christians have ALWAYS seen the bishop of Rome as being the bishop of all the bishops.
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics "Cite ANY reference of 1 BISHOP in LEADERSHIP OVER the WHOLE Church! " - If you have eyes to see, this is shown way back in Isaiah 22. If something is Important, God has 'shown it from the beginning' (Isaiah 46:10-11) which is HOW we know it comes from GOD ! ;)
@BereanPerspectiveApologetics he already told you, Iraneus. In Against Heresies book 3 Iraneus literally says that every church must be in agreement with the church in Rome because of her, and these are Iraneus' words, "preeminent authority"
My simple question to many protestants and maybe BeraenPerspective can help me answer is; Richard Bacon a conservative evangelical scholar thinks John the Elder and not John son of Zebedee wrote the book of John. Ben Withertington taught that Lazarus wrote the book of John. Please among them who do you think is right? If they are not right who do you think wrote the book of John?
Great stuff Kelly, you should watch the video JP made with Sam and William on praying to the saints. After about 20 minutes I stopped watching it. Sam and William basically get JP to agree to it with no biblical proof. He really doesn't need to debate with people. They make the claim you can they have to provide evidence you can. It's just sad.
@user-ep3vx9ix4l I stand by what I said JP thinks he has more knowledge and better arguments than he does, and shouldn't debate. Also having both Sam and William there is going to make it seem like they're right because they will agree with each other, side with each other. William is not a moderator he's Sam's side kick if Sam does any debates with Catholic doctrine William is always there for back up. Vision's can be both a vision and a real event it depends on context. Once JP said vision's are real and the book of Maccabees is scripture he lost. He clearly was not prepared at all and William lives for it.
@user-ep3vx9ix4l the biggest problem is once you accept other books that aren't in the real Bible doctrine will change it has to. That's exactly why the Jews have never accepted the Deuterocanonical books. Because they know they are not from God.
Hi Kelly, in case you do not know, here is the book 3: chapter 3 of St Irenaeus (he lived around 130AD) the Bishop of Lyon France, a student of St. Polycarp the student of Apostle John the evangelist the disciple of Christ the Lord. St. Irenaeus recounts the list of the Primate See of St. Peter in Rome until the time of his writing (Chapter III, 3), the book against heresies. so we do have a clear apostolic succession. "3. The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third place from the apostles, Clement was allotted the bishopric. This man, as he had seen the blessed apostles, and had been conversant with them, might be said to have the preaching of the apostles still echoing [in his ears], and their traditions before his eyes. Nor was he alone [in this], for there were many still remaining who had received instructions from the apostles. In the time of this Clement, no small dissension having occurred among the brethren at Corinth, the Church in Rome dispatched a most powerful letter to the Corinthians, exhorting them to peace, renewing their faith, and declaring the tradition which it had lately received from the apostles, proclaiming the one God, omnipotent, the Maker of heaven and earth, the Creator of man, who brought on the deluge, and called Abraham, who led the people from the land of Egypt, spoke with Moses, set forth the law, sent the prophets, and who has prepared fire for the devil and his angels. From this document, whosoever chooses to do so, may learn that He, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, was preached by the Churches, and may also understand the apostolic tradition of the Church, since this Epistle is of older date than these men who are now propagating falsehood, and who conjure into existence another god beyond the Creator and the Maker of all existing things. To this Clement there succeeded Evaristus. Alexander followed Evaristus; then, sixth from the apostles, Sixtus was appointed; after him, Telephorus, who was gloriously martyred; then Hyginus; after him, Pius; then after him, Anicetus. Soter having succeeded Anicetus, Eleutherius does now, in the twelfth place from the apostles, hold the inheritance of the episcopate. In this order, and by this succession, the ecclesiastical tradition from the apostles, and the preaching of the truth, have come down to us. And this is most abundant proof that there is one and the same vivifying faith, which has been preserved in the Church from the apostles until now, and handed down in truth." source - newadvent.org
you mention the the offices (Diakonoi and Presbiteros and Episcopon) in the Bible, you should also know that St. Linus and St. Clement are also mention in the Bible and they are the successors of St. Peter in the Church of Rome.
you said something very interesting, "to my knowledge now, I could be wrong", I think you are been open and humble at this pint, which is every student's attitude should be.
16:30 Kelly You said there is no indication in the Bible where the bishop (Episcopon) appoint elder (Pesbiteros) and the bishop is oversee the Church ? here is the good news there is Kelly. Titus 1:5 "This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you" interpretation of the Text " This is why I (Paul) left you (Titus) in Crete, so that you (Titus) might put what remained into order (filled the vacant offices places in Crete), and appoint elders in every town as I (Paul) directed you (Timothy). so once again, there is a clear indication that the Apostle Paul appoint Timothy as Bishop (Episcopon) in order to appoint elders (Presbiteros).
18:20 St Ignatius of Antioch called Christians in Smyrna as Catholics, and St Ignatius is a Bishop and the disciple of Apostle John He said "Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." I hope Kelly will soon called himself a Catholic like St Ignatius is. Catholic is not just a general term, it is a specific and unique term used for Christian like Acts 9:31 "ekklesia Kath Holes" (Catholic Church) so the Church is as a whole is One and unique, and the church must be called Catholic, not baptist Church, no Lutheran Church etc.
Hi there. First off thanks. I appreciate you sharing. What you shared I am familiar with this does not go against what I have shared. A bishop is biblical, and I have stated this, and a bishop is an overseer which there were many overseers during the times of the early church with the apostles. NOTE there was not 1 OVER the WHOLE church, I put all caps to make that clear. So I am not against leadership, I have been in churches as an elder, pastor, etc. The issue is the claims of Catholicism is not biblical and not founded early on within the first apostolic church fathers. What you shared here is in reference to different people being bishops, that is great, no disagreements there, yet this does not state there was "1 bishop in leadership over the whole church". That is what I was stating, and even Catholic apologists know this, which is what I shared. The claim is the claim but the claim cannot be proved from the Bible or from the early apostolic church fathers. So thank you for sharing but this proves what I shared before.
Really good stuff. Some really good points you made. Alex always tried to disprove sola scrptura by What? Using scripture. Also he attempted to prove the authority of the catholic church, again, using scripture. Lol.
If Alex used an outside authority, early councils, writings of the Church Fathers, and had absolute proof outside of Scripture against Sola Scriptura and the Authority of the Catholic Church... what would you say?
@clemonsx90 I didn't say that. I said he tried to disprove sola scriptura with scripture. Read that again. This is why catholics are blind. They only see what they want to see. This is an example of how you view scripture, using eisogesis.
Kelly talks a lot about watching who you trust. Say I conceded that I can see both the Catholic and Kelly's interpretations in Scripture, he really wants us to go with his? The historical witness shows next to nobody believing how he believes about ecclesiology, sacramentology, soteriology, ect. I think that's an obvious choice on who to go with.
Cite just 1 reference from any apostolic early church father who states there was 1 Bishop in authority and leadership OVER the WHOLE Christian church! Cite 1 reference from any early apostolic church father that it is the magisterium of Bishops who have the proper interpretation of the Scriptures. Jesus will come back before you can cite 1….
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics 1. You are not properly identifying what Catholic ecclesiology is. 2. Sure, we can quote all day about the proper roles of the bishops, the Church, the necessity of such, ect. How early would you like to go?
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics Irenaeus talks quite a bit about the bishops being successors of the Apostles and guarding and preserving the faith against heretics. Your church I presume continues that succession of bishops preserving the Faith?
@Swampfox. Can you read my questions out loud to yourself and then try to find the answers. Stop playing games……read my questions out loud to yourself again pay attention
Well when you asked who do I trust Kelly, I trust what the Bible teaches I don't trust What the freaking Pope says I don't trust what any other person says other than what the Bible says which is God's authoritative word. The Bible says that my good works don't save me but my faith in Jesus Christ alone does, but then the Roman Catholic Church comes along and says no your good works are supposed to obtain for your salvation when that's not true at all. So I go strictly off of what the Bible says not with what the Pope says because I don't believe the pope has Authority, he'd like to think that, but he doesn't. But my personal Authority whom I listen to is God, and one other people want to say hey the doctrine of the Trinity is wrong why do you agree with it so on so forth or Jesus isn't God I can look right in the Bible and see that Jesus is God and the doctrine of the Trinity is accurate too. So when somebody says I have to listen to what they say I lose all interest in what they have to say I only strictly go off of what the Bible teaches and when I read the Bible word for word and it says Jesus Christ is God incarnate and that he died for me upon the cross at Calvary that his Bloodshed upon me is what saves me from my sins not me being washed in water, that's important
so who cares what you believe and say, so are so many contradicting readings that contradict you. Your teachings are from Luther or Calvin. You can claim it is scripture but you know in your conscience your reading of scripture is influenced by Luther and or Calvin.
And Kelly pardon me on my language here, concerning Roman Catholics but here's my personal opinion, if Roman Catholics don't want to put their faith in Jesus Christ and they want to rely on their good works to save them when they die they're going to hell that's all there is to it. If they want to rely on a man who says that they can forgive their sins and allows his Bishops to forgive sins when they have no authority to do so, but only Jesus Christ alone has that Authority and then they go to this thing called Mass which is not even biblical and they have all these umbilical things, then no one can tell me that they're not going to help unless they repent, and do it the biblical Way by understanding that you're a sinner in need of a savior it's that simple
There is unfortunately much ignorance in your comment, but that can be readily fixed by actually studying what Catholicism teaches, not just what Protestants say. Investigate what the Catholic Church actually teaches from the Catechism and the Councils and prove it is false against Holy Scripture. Just as I will show your assertation about forgiveness of sins and authority to do so is scripturally wrong. You deny that the apostles were given authority from God to forgive sins and the authority to make decisions. The Word of God says otherwise: John 20:21-23 (speaking to the disciples in the locked room) Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you." When he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained." Matthew 18:18-20 (speaking to the 12) Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. Again, truly I tell you, if two of you agree on earth about anything you ask, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. You deny that the apostles had the authority to choose successors, once more the Word of God corrects you: Acts 1:8 (speaking to the apostles He had chosen) "But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria and to the ends of the earth." Acts 1:24-26 (deciding to replace Judas) Then they prayed and said, "Lord, you know everyone's heart. Show us which one of these two you have chosen to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place." And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias; and he was added to the eleven apostles. Numbers 27:18-20 (explanation of the "laying on of hands") So the Lord said to Moses, "Take Josua son of Nun, a man in whom is the spirit, and lay your hand upon him; have him stand before Eleazar the priest and all the congregations, and commission him in their sight. You shall give him some of your authority, so that all the congregation of the Israelites may obey. 1 Timothy 4:14 (Paul writing to Timothy) Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you through prophecy with the laying on of hands by the council of elders. 1 Timothy 5:22 (Paul writing to Timothy) "Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands, nor take part in the sins of others; keep yourself pure. So from these lines of scripture we can see that the chosen apostles of Christ were given authority by Christ Jesus. They are the elders of the Church and when in council with two or more they had the authority to ordain (lay hands upon) others who would then share in their authority and further spread the Gospel.
@@gannonleonarddoes it also say in the Bible that Mary is sinless if so where because the Bible says that we're all Sinners according to what scripture teaches Leviticus chapter 4 Leviticus chapter 5 Leviticus chapter 12 1:2 and Leviticus 17:11 which corresponds with Luke chapter 2 verse 24 proving that she was following the levitical law that was given to Moses from God the Bible says that only Jesus was sinless no one else was therefore that's why Roman Catholicism is wrong
@gannonleonard In John 20:23, Jesus tells His disciples, “If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven." The very core of the gospel message is the truth that the way someone has their sins forgiven is by having faith in Jesus Christ as his or her Lord and Savior In Acts 10:43-44, when Peter was sharing the gospel, he said, “Everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” First John 5:1-5 tells us only he who believes in Jesus will overcome the world. Luke 5:20 says, “When Jesus saw their faith, He said ‘Friend, your sins are forgiven.’” Colossians 2:13-14 says Jesus forgave all our sins. All these passages confirm that Jesus is the one who forgives sin, and He forgives all of our sins. If we have had genuine faith in Him, someone else cannot later decide we are not forgiven one sin or another. So, what exactly did Jesus mean in John 20:23? Only God can forgive sins, and Christ, being God, has the power to do so as well, but He never communicated any such power to His disciples, nor did they ever assume any such power to themselves. The key to understanding the meaning of John 20:23 lies in the previous two verses: “Again Jesus said, ‘Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.’ And with that he breathed on them and said, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit.’” He sent them, as He is sending us, to bring the good news of the way to salvation and heaven to the whole world. Jesus was leaving the earth physically but promised God would be with them in the person of the Holy Spirit living in them. As they proclaimed the gospel, they could honestly tell people who believed in that message that their sins were forgiven, and they could honestly tell people that did not believe in the message that their sins were not forgiven and that they stand condemned in God’s eyes. “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him” (John 3:36). Believers today have the very same mission given to us! We are obligated to share the gospel message, the way to heaven, to others in the world, and we go about that mission with the Holy Spirit living inside us, guiding us as we share His truth. We are obligated to tell people the only way to be forgiven is through faith. Jesus said in John 8:24, “If you do not believe that I am (God), you will indeed die in your sins.” This is the very core of the gospel message and the very heart of what we are to explain to the world. It was Jesus’ last command to His followers before He physically left the earth-carry forward the message of hope and save as many as will believe in Him. Jesus preached a crucial message about forgiving our brothers, as God forgave us. We stand in grace, and He expects us to keep our hearts pure toward others, not holding grudges or harboring a spirit of unforgiveness, especially after He gave us such undeserved love and forgiveness at such a high personal cost to Himself! Jesus said those who have been forgiven much, love much (Luke 7:47). He expects us to forgive others 70 times 7 times (Matthew 18:22). We are also told that if we are praying but hold something against anyone, we are to forgive that person so our relationship with God is right and righteous! Colossians 3:13 says, “Forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.” We know we are His if we love our brothers and don’t hate them or have unforgiveness in our hearts (1 John 2:3-6; 3:14-19; 4:16-21). Forgiveness is a key to showing we indeed have eternal life inside us, according to these passages. If we say we love God but hate our brother, we are liars and no truth is in us. So, our forgiveness of others is a major indicator of true fellowship with God. God looks at the heart and actions, not mere words. Jesus stated while on earth, “These people come near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.” So, it’s important we have a living, genuine faith: “We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers” (1 John 3:14).
Oh no no Your 100% right on everything. You are your own arbiter of truth. Like in true sola-scriptura doctrine, your interpretation is infallible. Good luck with that
Why should we object. White didn't even respond to the bulk of Alex points. Alex won by a landslide. Catholic who watched it are stronger in their faith.
How do you know?.. Everything is there! Save in the hardrive IMB z system computer. All are there including the original written Gospel, never got rotten. Go and look for it.
Hello all here please leave a respectful comment, LIKE the video, and share your thoughts from the debate from Alex opening and my responses.
Kelly
Fight for the Truth! Thank you. Scripture Alone is the only authority!
It’s sad to see many many many self deceived. We must preach the Word for it is the only power for Salvation.
Alex totally nailed him! I think Dr White likes to overload his opponents with ao many objections and alex just cut through them like a buzz saw. I was so pleased
Alex committed a murder in that room in front or everyone
Two thousand years teaching the same doctrine and surviving self-inflicted wounds and external attacks are pretty good indicators that God meant the Catholic Church to be the one true Church. No other church can claim that.
Clearly someone hasn't read how haphazard and contradictory the church fathers have been...
The EOC can't? Coptic church?
@@douglasmcnay644like?
When ignoring all the affliction it has placed upon humanity. All the death, horror and abuse of human freedoms, rights and dignity; and complicity with dictators and on-going abuse scandals. All that and wrapped up in an office of an unordained man who sits in the place of Christ. Satan's schemes are not short term, friend.
@@lkae4 EOC, Coptic church, etc they all part of the Catholic Church. They decided not to observe the Pope as prime pontiff, but it is ok (so, they are not Roman Catholics). One day the concept of papacy will certainly make sense to them. I can think of thousands of separated brothers who think likewise. I look forward for unity in the Body of Christ.
James was decimated once again and the Protestant uploaders turned off the comments. Of course we will follow Scripture, one of the highest Traditions of the Church.
Alex is actually very fond of Dr.White. And Dr.white really like him as well..
Yes, it seemed mutual which is good. Alex seems like a nice guy, I would welcome a discussion with him.
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics
Respectfully, I say. Careful what you wish for. Just kidding. I think the two of you could have an awesome discussion.
Also James Whites claim that Catholic Church is sola-ecclesia is just false. We have 3 sources of infallible authority, Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and the Magisterium. And neither of the 3 can contradict each other.
Um lets see no contradictions you say do ya?
Catholicism Doctrines NOT Taught in the Bible though the RCC claims it:
1. Papacy (1 Pope Over the Whole Church & Pope Infallibility)
2. Marian Dogmas (Immaculate Conception & Assumption of Mary)
3. Veneration of the Saints and Mary
4. Praying to Saints & Praying to Mary
5. Purgatory
6. Indulgences
7. No Salvation Outside Catholic Church
8. Muslims Can Be Saved They Believe in the Same God
9. Must Believe Water Baptism is Essential to Enter Kingdom of God (Dogma)
10. Anathema to Those Who Believe in Faith Alone
That is a short list of Catholicism teaches that are in opposition to what the Bible teaches in context. So no, the 3 legged stool of Catholicism crumbles because it's Sacred Traditions and Magisterium don't stand up to the Holy Scriptures.
@@BereanPerspectiveApologeticsfalse statements based on ignorance of the Catholic faith.
Hmmmmm
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics All of those doctrines have scriptural basis. Number 8 is not Catholic doctrine you are misinterpreting a statement from Vatican 2. And further, we don’t rely on Scripture alone, we also have Sacred Tradition. Not everything Jesus taught was written down and he gave teaching authority to the apostles.
Now tell me where in scripture it teaches Sola Scriptura?
CCC 841 go read it.
Sola Scriptura is not Scriptural.
Also deuterocanonical books of the Bible are awesome, y'all are missing out :'(
Wrong😊
@@Jesusfollower-x1j lol
@@Jesusfollower-x1j hey user-iw5ff9um9f why dont you watch the bragging thx
@@Jesusfollower-x1j please cite where the Bible teaches Sola Scriptura then
@@Jesusfollower-x1jchapter and verse
Of course Alwx has lost. That is why they have blocked comments under the video and you have to do so much of damage control, because many protestants now see thay they were lied to about Catholicism.
@user-rg4ni2hr6r Fair enough, another reason could be that there was too much passion in the comments. But what is more likely?
Protestants waking up realizing that all they thought about Catholic church was a lie. And Alex is a great image if the awesome Catholic. Unfortunately I am not even close to him and letting my emotions take over me. But that doesn't change the fact that Protestants been lied to.
And this video is another proof that your thought leaders are lying or misleading.
Can't you see that in this video there are at least 5 major lies or misconceptions?
Also tell me how Sola Scriptura could ever be right if 90% of people couldn't even read.
@user-rg4ni2hr6rDid you watch the debate?
@user-rg4ni2hr6rI felt James White wasted his opening statement by going after the papacy which was not the topic of debate. I could only assume it was a tactic. He employed to get Alex off topic forcing him to use his rebuttal to address the papacy instead of the topic of the debate.
Would have been brilliant if Alex fell for it but he didn't and I felt white was in an uphill battle after that point. In my opinion.
@user-rg4ni2hr6r I do think White underestimated Alex. I also don't think it was a tactic. I was given White the benefit of the doubt . Possibly White was thrown off by Alex using Scripture alone in his opening to refudiate the Scripture alone.
Alex came in prepped and excited.
12:22 " I don't want do do a 4-hour marathon here..." Does a 4 hour marathon (3:56:22) 8D
“Rome has spoken, the matter is finished” - Augustine
Alex made way more sense than you.
Jesus said said Luke 22:32 King James Version But I have prayed for you, that your faith fail not; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brothers..
The pope is to strengthen the brothers
15 When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?”
“Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Feed my lambs
John 21:15
Clearly He singles out peter to strengthen His brothers and feed hlHis sheep..he did not tell Hisciples en masse.
Giving Peter authority
Sure in the beginning Peter leads the way but that does not mean Peter was the pope or over the whole church. This is NEVER taught in the New Testament.
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics he gave the keys to Peter. Difference is given to Peter. Peter is the only one who's name Jesus changed to Rock.
@@BereanPerspectiveApologeticsshow me in New Testament where it says Peter is NOT the pope? See? I can argue just like you do
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics " This is NEVER taught in the New Testament." - because it is already taught in the Old Testament! I thought you said you were Berean ??
It was a very good debate; very open, honest and friendly. Both parties where honorable, charitable, funny and fair; exactly how a debate should be.
Regarding the debate, it was an interesting match and very educational. However, it would be disingenuous to admit that Alex was, for a better word 'Victorious'. I can only and to be fair and objective state that Dr. James White demonstrated a clear and more adequately presented position of the evidence of Sola Scriptura than Alex, who attempted to present the existence of the Catholic papal authority.
Unfortunately, though it was an enjoyable debate, it is apparent to me that Alex was outmatched by Dr. James White; having insufficiently demonstrate his position.
Dr. James White's knowledge of Biblical language, culture, content and context was clearly greater and more expanded than that of Alex, and whilst Alex spoke with confidence, his position did not seem to move past the education he has received from his church; demonstrating a continued and, sadly, predictable parroting of his church's doctrine. More of less, Alex rarely appealed to Scripture; preferring the fallible revelation of early church fathers; something Dr. James White pointed out early on and their fallible nature; continuously bringing the discussion back to the perfect and infallible revelation of God's sovereign Word.
I really hope Dr. James White and Alex have another debate in future.
Alex for the win. 🎉
thx for the comment. How did Alex win, curious?
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics White did not prove that God breath is only for scripture and that it meant scripture alone. He did not prove that His rendering was from scripture. Alex challenged him of any magisterial teaching that contradicted the scriptures which he claimed and white didn't provide any proof.
@@hilarykurungtiem8102 Yep - Alex whalloped White off his pedestal demonstrating God's Breath in FAR MORE that just (sola) the scriptures !!! White seemed quite taken aback on this revelation, blew out his momentum, and never quite recovered!
Irenaeus definitely believed in the papacy. He is not from Rome but he even lists all the successors of Peter in the Church of Rome. He even said this: “Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority.” You saying Irenaeus doesn’t teach it is bearing false witness.
Cite ANY reference of 1 BISHOP in LEADERSHIP OVER the WHOLE Church! Just 1 reference from apostolic early church fathers of a person who is a Bishop in authority and leadership OVER the whole Church. You do that you get the prize....I will be waiting to Jesus comes back on this...
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics I mean I am no scholar so I don't have a million quotes up my sleeve, and there might not be one that explicitly says a bishop has a leadership role over the whole church in the early church. They didn't have internet back then, it is not like the bishop of Rome was a super prominent figure back in the day to your average Christian. Instead, there is a lot of language talking about the church of Rome having authority (like what I quoted in my initial comment), and obviously the local churches saw their local bishops as being authoritative. Ignatius or Antioch said to submit to the bishop as the Son submits to the Father. If you look at the split between the Eastern Orthodox church and the Catholic church, some churches in the east didn't even know the split happened for the next 500 years, because like i said, they didn't have internet. Infallible papacy is not used often so the pope does not have a big role in my everyday life. When it is used, it is not usually teaching anything controversial. You probably see the bodily assumption of Mary as a controversial dogmatic statement, but that has been a mystery us Christians have been meditating on in the rosary since the 1400s. Sorry for the long reply but I want to share another quote from Maximus the confessor, who was from Constantinople in the 600s. "The extremities of the earth, and all in every part of it who purely and rightly confess the Lord look directly towards the most holy Roman Church and its confession and faith, as it were to a sun of unfailing light, awaiting from it the bright radiance of the sacred dogmas of our Fathers according to what the six inspired and holy councils have purely and piously decreed, declaring most expressly the symbol of faith. For from the coming down of the incarnate Word amongst us, all the Churches in every part of the world have held that greatest Church alone as their base and foundation, seeing that according to the promise of Christ our Saviour, the gates of hell do never prevail against it, that it has the keys of a right confession and faith in Him, that it opens the true and only religion to such as approach with piety, and shuts up and locks every heretical mouth that speaks injustice against the Most High." The vast majority of Christians have ALWAYS seen the bishop of Rome as being the bishop of all the bishops.
@jacobhilderman if there is no reference there is no claim to stand on.
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics "Cite ANY reference of 1 BISHOP in LEADERSHIP OVER the WHOLE Church! " - If you have eyes to see, this is shown way back in Isaiah 22. If something is Important, God has 'shown it from the beginning' (Isaiah 46:10-11) which is HOW we know it comes from GOD ! ;)
@BereanPerspectiveApologetics he already told you, Iraneus. In Against Heresies book 3 Iraneus literally says that every church must be in agreement with the church in Rome because of her, and these are Iraneus' words, "preeminent authority"
My simple question to many protestants and maybe BeraenPerspective can help me answer is; Richard Bacon a conservative evangelical scholar thinks John the Elder and not John son of Zebedee wrote the book of John. Ben Withertington taught that Lazarus wrote the book of John. Please among them who do you think is right? If they are not right who do you think wrote the book of John?
What a stupid question 😂😂
lol...Protestants can't just study the Bible, either. You need the Magisterium that comes with John Macarther, RC Sproul or the Council od Dort.
Nope
@@Jesusfollower-x1j yup
Great stuff Kelly, you should watch the video JP made with Sam and William on praying to the saints. After about 20 minutes I stopped watching it. Sam and William basically get JP to agree to it with no biblical proof. He really doesn't need to debate with people. They make the claim you can they have to provide evidence you can. It's just sad.
@user-ep3vx9ix4l I stand by what I said JP thinks he has more knowledge and better arguments than he does, and shouldn't debate. Also having both Sam and William there is going to make it seem like they're right because they will agree with each other, side with each other. William is not a moderator he's Sam's side kick if Sam does any debates with Catholic doctrine William is always there for back up. Vision's can be both a vision and a real event it depends on context. Once JP said vision's are real and the book of Maccabees is scripture he lost. He clearly was not prepared at all and William lives for it.
@user-ep3vx9ix4l the biggest problem is once you accept other books that aren't in the real Bible doctrine will change it has to. That's exactly why the Jews have never accepted the Deuterocanonical books. Because they know they are not from God.
Hi Kelly,
in case you do not know, here is the book 3: chapter 3 of St Irenaeus (he lived around 130AD) the Bishop of Lyon France, a student of St. Polycarp the student of Apostle John the evangelist the disciple of Christ the Lord.
St. Irenaeus recounts the list of the Primate See of St. Peter in Rome until the time of his writing (Chapter III, 3), the book against heresies. so we do have a clear apostolic succession.
"3. The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third place from the apostles, Clement was allotted the bishopric. This man, as he had seen the blessed apostles, and had been conversant with them, might be said to have the preaching of the apostles still echoing [in his ears], and their traditions before his eyes. Nor was he alone [in this], for there were many still remaining who had received instructions from the apostles. In the time of this Clement, no small dissension having occurred among the brethren at Corinth, the Church in Rome dispatched a most powerful letter to the Corinthians, exhorting them to peace, renewing their faith, and declaring the tradition which it had lately received from the apostles, proclaiming the one God, omnipotent, the Maker of heaven and earth, the Creator of man, who brought on the deluge, and called Abraham, who led the people from the land of Egypt, spoke with Moses, set forth the law, sent the prophets, and who has prepared fire for the devil and his angels. From this document, whosoever chooses to do so, may learn that He, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, was preached by the Churches, and may also understand the apostolic tradition of the Church, since this Epistle is of older date than these men who are now propagating falsehood, and who conjure into existence another god beyond the Creator and the Maker of all existing things. To this Clement there succeeded Evaristus. Alexander followed Evaristus; then, sixth from the apostles, Sixtus was appointed; after him, Telephorus, who was gloriously martyred; then Hyginus; after him, Pius; then after him, Anicetus. Soter having succeeded Anicetus, Eleutherius does now, in the twelfth place from the apostles, hold the inheritance of the episcopate. In this order, and by this succession, the ecclesiastical tradition from the apostles, and the preaching of the truth, have come down to us. And this is most abundant proof that there is one and the same vivifying faith, which has been preserved in the Church from the apostles until now, and handed down in truth." source - newadvent.org
you mention the the offices (Diakonoi and Presbiteros and Episcopon) in the Bible, you should also know that St. Linus and St. Clement are also mention in the Bible and they are the successors of St. Peter in the Church of Rome.
you said something very interesting, "to my knowledge now, I could be wrong", I think you are been open and humble at this pint, which is every student's attitude should be.
16:30 Kelly You said there is no indication in the Bible where the bishop (Episcopon) appoint elder (Pesbiteros) and the bishop is oversee the Church ?
here is the good news there is Kelly.
Titus 1:5
"This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you"
interpretation of the Text
" This is why I (Paul) left you (Titus) in Crete, so that you (Titus) might put what remained into order (filled the vacant offices places in Crete), and appoint elders in every town as I (Paul) directed you (Timothy).
so once again, there is a clear indication that the Apostle Paul appoint Timothy as Bishop (Episcopon) in order to appoint elders (Presbiteros).
18:20 St Ignatius of Antioch called Christians in Smyrna as Catholics, and St Ignatius is a Bishop and the disciple of Apostle John He said "Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."
I hope Kelly will soon called himself a Catholic like St Ignatius is.
Catholic is not just a general term, it is a specific and unique term used for Christian like Acts 9:31 "ekklesia Kath Holes" (Catholic Church)
so the Church is as a whole is One and unique, and the church must be called Catholic, not baptist Church, no Lutheran Church etc.
Hi there. First off thanks. I appreciate you sharing. What you shared I am familiar with this does not go against what I have shared. A bishop is biblical, and I have stated this, and a bishop is an overseer which there were many overseers during the times of the early church with the apostles. NOTE there was not 1 OVER the WHOLE church, I put all caps to make that clear. So I am not against leadership, I have been in churches as an elder, pastor, etc. The issue is the claims of Catholicism is not biblical and not founded early on within the first apostolic church fathers. What you shared here is in reference to different people being bishops, that is great, no disagreements there, yet this does not state there was "1 bishop in leadership over the whole church". That is what I was stating, and even Catholic apologists know this, which is what I shared. The claim is the claim but the claim cannot be proved from the Bible or from the early apostolic church fathers. So thank you for sharing but this proves what I shared before.
Purrrfect! Good stuff enjoyed it. Thank you
I love how sure you are! 😊
If you hang a mouse toy on a string or catnip from the ceiling , the cat somersaults would send your apologetic videos going Viral*!*🎉😊
It's almost as if the presupposition in this video is that Catholics aren't allowed to use the Scriptures. Just absurd.
Really good stuff. Some really good points you made. Alex always tried to disprove sola scrptura by What? Using scripture. Also he attempted to prove the authority of the catholic church, again, using scripture. Lol.
@@Great_is_thy_faithfulness exactly 👍
He did not use scripture to disprove scripture, only sola scriptura, so there is no contradiction, contrary to what you are implying.
If Alex used an outside authority, early councils, writings of the Church Fathers, and had absolute proof outside of Scripture against Sola Scriptura and the Authority of the Catholic Church... what would you say?
That's why his arguments were effective. Because he used a source that both Protestants and Catholics hold to be an infallible authority.
@clemonsx90 I didn't say that. I said he tried to disprove sola scriptura with scripture. Read that again. This is why catholics are blind. They only see what they want to see. This is an example of how you view scripture, using eisogesis.
Kelly talks a lot about watching who you trust. Say I conceded that I can see both the Catholic and Kelly's interpretations in Scripture, he really wants us to go with his? The historical witness shows next to nobody believing how he believes about ecclesiology, sacramentology, soteriology, ect. I think that's an obvious choice on who to go with.
Cite just 1 reference from any apostolic early church father who states there was 1 Bishop in authority and leadership OVER the WHOLE Christian church! Cite 1 reference from any early apostolic church father that it is the magisterium of Bishops who have the proper interpretation of the Scriptures. Jesus will come back before you can cite 1….
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics 1. You are not properly identifying what Catholic ecclesiology is. 2. Sure, we can quote all day about the proper roles of the bishops, the Church, the necessity of such, ect. How early would you like to go?
@@AppalachianPaisano pay attention to what I asked….early apostolic church fathers…good luck
@@BereanPerspectiveApologetics Irenaeus talks quite a bit about the bishops being successors of the Apostles and guarding and preserving the faith against heretics. Your church I presume continues that succession of bishops preserving the Faith?
@Swampfox. Can you read my questions out loud to yourself and then try to find the answers. Stop playing games……read my questions out loud to yourself again pay attention
Irenaeus appealed to Rome.
That is nice. Can you name a reference from Irenaeus where he stated there was 1 bishop in authority of the whole body of Christ the Church?
Where is Sola Scriptura in the Old Testament ??
Interesting question. I can’t give you a passage right away. Probably because the revelation of God was not yet finished then?
Well when you asked who do I trust Kelly, I trust what the Bible teaches I don't trust What the freaking Pope says I don't trust what any other person says other than what the Bible says which is God's authoritative word. The Bible says that my good works don't save me but my faith in Jesus Christ alone does, but then the Roman Catholic Church comes along and says no your good works are supposed to obtain for your salvation when that's not true at all. So I go strictly off of what the Bible says not with what the Pope says because I don't believe the pope has Authority, he'd like to think that, but he doesn't. But my personal Authority whom I listen to is God, and one other people want to say hey the doctrine of the Trinity is wrong why do you agree with it so on so forth or Jesus isn't God I can look right in the Bible and see that Jesus is God and the doctrine of the Trinity is accurate too. So when somebody says I have to listen to what they say I lose all interest in what they have to say I only strictly go off of what the Bible teaches and when I read the Bible word for word and it says Jesus Christ is God incarnate and that he died for me upon the cross at Calvary that his Bloodshed upon me is what saves me from my sins not me being washed in water, that's important
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Our next debating person. Put your name on the list.
List?
so who cares what you believe and say, so are so many contradicting readings that contradict you. Your teachings are from Luther or Calvin. You can claim it is scripture but you know in your conscience your reading of scripture is influenced by Luther and or Calvin.
@user-rg4ni2hr6r I assure you they can't answer you but will come up with how corrupt the catholic church is or how they worship Mary.
And Kelly pardon me on my language here, concerning Roman Catholics but here's my personal opinion, if Roman Catholics don't want to put their faith in Jesus Christ and they want to rely on their good works to save them when they die they're going to hell that's all there is to it. If they want to rely on a man who says that they can forgive their sins and allows his Bishops to forgive sins when they have no authority to do so, but only Jesus Christ alone has that Authority and then they go to this thing called Mass which is not even biblical and they have all these umbilical things, then no one can tell me that they're not going to help unless they repent, and do it the biblical Way by understanding that you're a sinner in need of a savior it's that simple
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There is unfortunately much ignorance in your comment, but that can be readily fixed by actually studying what Catholicism teaches, not just what Protestants say. Investigate what the Catholic Church actually teaches from the Catechism and the Councils and prove it is false against Holy Scripture.
Just as I will show your assertation about forgiveness of sins and authority to do so is scripturally wrong.
You deny that the apostles were given authority from God to forgive sins and the authority to make decisions. The Word of God says otherwise:
John 20:21-23 (speaking to the disciples in the locked room)
Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you." When he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained."
Matthew 18:18-20 (speaking to the 12)
Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. Again, truly I tell you, if two of you agree on earth about anything you ask, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven.
You deny that the apostles had the authority to choose successors, once more the Word of God corrects you:
Acts 1:8 (speaking to the apostles He had chosen)
"But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria and to the ends of the earth."
Acts 1:24-26 (deciding to replace Judas)
Then they prayed and said, "Lord, you know everyone's heart. Show us which one of these two you have chosen to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place." And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias; and he was added to the eleven apostles.
Numbers 27:18-20 (explanation of the "laying on of hands")
So the Lord said to Moses, "Take Josua son of Nun, a man in whom is the spirit, and lay your hand upon him; have him stand before Eleazar the priest and all the congregations, and commission him in their sight. You shall give him some of your authority, so that all the congregation of the Israelites may obey.
1 Timothy 4:14 (Paul writing to Timothy)
Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you through prophecy with the laying on of hands by the council of elders.
1 Timothy 5:22 (Paul writing to Timothy)
"Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands, nor take part in the sins of others; keep yourself pure.
So from these lines of scripture we can see that the chosen apostles of Christ were given authority by Christ Jesus. They are the elders of the Church and when in council with two or more they had the authority to ordain (lay hands upon) others who would then share in their authority and further spread the Gospel.
I know what they teach and it's wrong.
@@gannonleonarddoes it also say in the Bible that Mary is sinless if so where because the Bible says that we're all Sinners according to what scripture teaches Leviticus chapter 4 Leviticus chapter 5 Leviticus chapter 12 1:2 and Leviticus 17:11 which corresponds with Luke chapter 2 verse 24 proving that she was following the levitical law that was given to Moses from God the Bible says that only Jesus was sinless no one else was therefore that's why Roman Catholicism is wrong
@gannonleonard
In John 20:23, Jesus tells His disciples, “If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven." The very core of the gospel message is the truth that the way someone has their sins forgiven is by having faith in Jesus Christ as his or her Lord and Savior
In Acts 10:43-44, when Peter was sharing the gospel, he said, “Everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” First John 5:1-5 tells us only he who believes in Jesus will overcome the world. Luke 5:20 says, “When Jesus saw their faith, He said ‘Friend, your sins are forgiven.’” Colossians 2:13-14 says Jesus forgave all our sins. All these passages confirm that Jesus is the one who forgives sin, and He forgives all of our sins. If we have had genuine faith in Him, someone else cannot later decide we are not forgiven one sin or another. So, what exactly did Jesus mean in John 20:23?
Only God can forgive sins, and Christ, being God, has the power to do so as well, but He never communicated any such power to His disciples, nor did they ever assume any such power to themselves. The key to understanding the meaning of John 20:23 lies in the previous two verses: “Again Jesus said, ‘Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.’ And with that he breathed on them and said, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit.’” He sent them, as He is sending us, to bring the good news of the way to salvation and heaven to the whole world. Jesus was leaving the earth physically but promised God would be with them in the person of the Holy Spirit living in them. As they proclaimed the gospel, they could honestly tell people who believed in that message that their sins were forgiven, and they could honestly tell people that did not believe in the message that their sins were not forgiven and that they stand condemned in God’s eyes. “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him” (John 3:36).
Believers today have the very same mission given to us! We are obligated to share the gospel message, the way to heaven, to others in the world, and we go about that mission with the Holy Spirit living inside us, guiding us as we share His truth. We are obligated to tell people the only way to be forgiven is through faith. Jesus said in John 8:24, “If you do not believe that I am (God), you will indeed die in your sins.” This is the very core of the gospel message and the very heart of what we are to explain to the world. It was Jesus’ last command to His followers before He physically left the earth-carry forward the message of hope and save as many as will believe in Him.
Jesus preached a crucial message about forgiving our brothers, as God forgave us. We stand in grace, and He expects us to keep our hearts pure toward others, not holding grudges or harboring a spirit of unforgiveness, especially after He gave us such undeserved love and forgiveness at such a high personal cost to Himself! Jesus said those who have been forgiven much, love much (Luke 7:47). He expects us to forgive others 70 times 7 times (Matthew 18:22). We are also told that if we are praying but hold something against anyone, we are to forgive that person so our relationship with God is right and righteous! Colossians 3:13 says, “Forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.” We know we are His if we love our brothers and don’t hate them or have unforgiveness in our hearts (1 John 2:3-6; 3:14-19; 4:16-21). Forgiveness is a key to showing we indeed have eternal life inside us, according to these passages. If we say we love God but hate our brother, we are liars and no truth is in us. So, our forgiveness of others is a major indicator of true fellowship with God. God looks at the heart and actions, not mere words. Jesus stated while on earth, “These people come near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.” So, it’s important we have a living, genuine faith: “We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers” (1 John 3:14).
So no Catholics here yet whoa
I’m sure they will come soon to somehow accuse me of being wrong.
When you do make sure you respond to my objections.
@hisservant7200 I still don’t know how to do shorts lol
I encourage people to watch the full debate, Alex won James White
Oh no no
Your 100% right on everything. You are your own arbiter of truth. Like in true sola-scriptura doctrine, your interpretation is infallible.
Good luck with that
Why should we object. White didn't even respond to the bulk of Alex points. Alex won by a landslide. Catholic who watched it are stronger in their faith.
How do you know?.. Everything is there! Save in the hardrive IMB z system computer. All are there including the original written Gospel, never got rotten. Go and look for it.