It's time we talked about current OW. Season 10 (rant) | Overwatch 2
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Overwatch sucks in season 10. My beloved game has fallen so far from grace and I can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. If you think OW2 is perfect in every way you will not like my video.
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I had an idea where you should be able to select a souvenir you have and have that replace the Health Pack Icon while playing any mode, so instead of the usual plus box youd have a slice of pizza or any item you've unlocked. Give them an actual purpose thats unique to each player.
Also weapon skins shouldve been unlocks for completing Hero Mastery Mode, give you an actual reason to play and get high scores on the courses for your favorite heroes. Instead we have to pay $30 damn dollars to change the way your weapon looks. Thats insane and im not buying any of them, not even for my main Illari
That's actually really interesting, I never thought of this. Really cool idea and would be super happy if my souvenirs could replace the health packs.
Such a sick idea actually, I would love this.
This is 100x better than getting shot at just cause i wanted to hold up my stupid slice of pizza
@@branBRippin Nah, the pineapple pizza? You deserved it!
The game is terrible now and the worst thing about it is the predictable match maker. If you win a game you can guarantee it will be followed by a insta loss cause you got a dps on your team that got only 5 elims all game. The match maker needs to be reworked and fixed. The balance is horrible but the rigged match maker is even worse.
Imagine if 5v5 was 2 tanks - 2 DPS - 1 support. If that was the case every fight would start with a support kill since everyone would hard focus it playing heros like Tracer and Genji to dive the backline no matter the situation which then immediately wins the fight for the team who gets the pick all the while the poor solo support getting hung out to dry gets blamed by the team for the loss for a "heal diff".
It would also mean half the support roster doesn't get played because they don't have a sustain or get out of jail ability which would be a throw.
How many people would enjoy playing support then? Thats the current tank life.
This is very true, you can't have 1 player in any of the roles otherwise the role loses it's power.
But if instead of a support you take away a dps it could actually work. last season for a meme i played open que to get the top500 player icon since thats about how many players that game mode has and it was actually the most fun ive had with the game in months whenever people were willing to flex. 2-1-2 with the reduced tank hp pools worked fine. Tanks were actually able to die, but also able to peel eachother. Just raw heal output felt less impactful with the lower tank hp pools so supports actually had to support instead of healbot, and again the other tank meant damage was getting spread out AND your team was rewarded for having a good target focus. It wasnt perfect as its clearly not what the game was balanced around, but it worked decently even then. Now imagine if they actually tried balancing it.
It’s funny cause 221 is how Paladins (last I remember) was played and it was really jarring coming back to overwatch after years of Paladins finding I am now solo tanking. Since the base numbers are so much higher on everything, healers are allowed to actually solo heal and they only really struggle late when the heal reduction scales to 90% and even then you have ways to reduce the heal cut.
Apples to oranges
If you’d change anything about the role lock with 5v5 the best opinion would be two tanks, two supports and one dps. It would probably make queue times on dps completely atrocious though..
That clip of Torb constantly hammering a full HP turret is a perfect analogy of the devs ‘fixing’ the game.
You're the first person that caught that. I put that clip in at that exact time stamp for that EXACT reason!
It'd be perfect if the turret was taking damage as a result of the torbs hammering
Nah because the hammer actually improves the turret (increases it health/repairs it)
@@livid_spiderexactly lol
So they are keeping something at perfect condition over and over? Perfect analogy..
Bro if they delete all the maps and modes but kings row. Id consider that as a big upgrade which kinda speaks to the state the game is in
A patch I can get behind, I love Kings Row!!
In OW1 I played support like Brig and off-tanks like DVA and I had a great time. My aim isn't great even though my game sense was pretty good, so I really enjoyed playing characters that enabled other characters. I liked playing Zarya so I could bubble an aggressive Rein, I liked playing Orisa to compliment a mean Roadhog on my team. I loved to take high ground as Dva with Sigma on the choke below, etc. I made a bunch of friends because everyone liked my Dva so much, so I actually had friends I only knew from playing OW with because back then the game made it really easy to chat after a game and group up if you wanted to. Only once in my entire OW2 history has anyone hit the "group up" option, even though it happened all the time in OW1 for me. Now I have no new friends in the game and my old friends don't want to play it anymore. I don't want to play it anymore. I might only play the game once a month now, and if I don't keep up with all the patch changes I might be in for a rude awakening (like the bizarre LOS change to Sigma's ult). I still enjoy playing Dva in metas where she is strong but I don't really enjoy playing tank on any other role anymore. I kind of want to uninstall the game but I see it as flushing an investment of sorts. I have bought skins and bought battle passes, always kind of hoping I'd eventually love the game as much as I loved the first, but here we are almost two years in and I never want to play anymore. All because the game went 5v5 and my role as off-tank got perma-removed. (I know I mentioned playing Orisa, who was a main tank... I played main tanks too, like Rein and Sigma, but Dva and Zarya were a lot more fun in OW1 and old Orisa was not the tank beast she has unfortunately become in OW2).
I'll be honest, I don't hate Push. I hate Flash Point and I am going to hate this new mode if I ever get around to playing it. But I hate that there are only three push maps. I much prefer payload maps or hybrid maps, but push is still better for me than Flash Point.
I'm also just tired of all the stupid lies. No PvE, no weapon inspections, constant balance failures... and you are right, they are very quick to dump any feature at the drop of a hat. Instead of coming up with new modes and new characters, maybe they should fix the game first.
I felt this comment, OW1 has fallen off so far it's actually crazy.
This game is just part of my life ever since it came out. counterswapping just destroys the fun for me rightnow. I know it was present in ow 1 too but now it has become to mutch where its no longer fun. Ranked is no fun to grind. If 6v6 will safe overwatch i am udown for it i hope they will make like a permanent 6v6 testmode like qp and work on it. Great video
Thank you for your kind words. I also agree with you regarding counterswapping, I usually never counter swap, I will just mirror the pick instead.
Counter swaping is only that extrem in Ow2 becouse of how power kreeped OW2 is if you overstat everything then also your counter becomes more and more powerfull with no way to out skill it throw the raw numbers .
I think the reason OW2 feels so bad right now is that the hopium is all gone. First, it was 'Hey, let them balance the new format', then it was 'well, Blizz is getting bought by microsoft, it'll get better', and now... now, we let them cook and have been served garbage. The shop is better only by comparison and still isn't good, and theres no reason to expect anything different on the horizon. People are just straight up giving up hope.
It's been how long and we still don't have answers to all these issues the game has. Blizz needs to take the L and revert back to just calling the game Overwatch, bring back 6v6, and getting rid of role passives. This is my next video based off the poll that's up currently.
Been playing since ow1 season 3. Ow1 had balance problems pretty much all the time, and for some reason the devs would often do things that barely anyone would be asking for.
I doubt ANY NORMAL player sat there and thought "id love it if they added a support that can provide burst healing and over-armour across the map with no aim required, has a shield, a boop, heals themself and allies a good distance away whenever dealing dmg, provides over-armour with ultimate and has a stun", but the devs gave birth to brig anyway.
I doubt ANY NORMAL player asked for a support that has AoE burst healing, similar dps capabilities to some actual dps, another form of AoE burst healing that also heals the user, a way to make the whole team immortal, can move to highground effortlessly and has a way to provide dmg boosting, yet Bap was created anyway.
Of course i dont have the stats, so i could be totally wrong. Maybe there were a decently high amount of people asking for characters with those kinds of abilities. But i have a question -
When did anyone suggest or ask for the game to go to 5v5?
From bronze to gm, you could find people that had their own ideas of how to improve some of the problems with the game. Regardless of how wrong or right some of those ideas mightve been, when did any of them mention swapping to 5v5?
Almost never, because most people knew that would cause a WHOLE BUNCH of other problems AND be a different format from the one we were all used too.
It would be a different format from the one we were willing to try when we BOUGHT OW1.
Clearly It would be pretty stupid to swap to 5v5 without AT LEAST letting players test it out for a few months and cast a vote of some sort to decide if they want to stick with 6v6 or not, right..?
Nah we at blizzard know what you players want even before you want it.
Right now you guys want to forget about how badly we try to not revert any changes if it would make us look like we were in the wrong at any point, or make any positive changes if it wouldnt look like we thought of the idea first.
Now turn your attention to our new and improved shop!!!
Look at the generous discounts we provide on most of our items, even though those items have not, and would not actually be sold for that higher price we show you, meaning its just there to make you think "WOW ID BETTER ACT FAST BEFORE THE ITEM LEAVES THE SHOP OR THE DISCOUNT ENDS!!!"
The scary part is yeah, i dont doubt the idea of 5v5 was suggested by some players before, but was that the majority? no
The majority wanted different balance patches from the ones we got.
So why now does the WHOLE playerbase have to deal with 5v5, when a small amount of people suggested it?
Because Ow devs were too stubborn.
Im NOT saying making balance changes that please the majority of the players would be the easiest job in the world obviously, but how do you manage so often to make changes that seem to DISPLEASE the majority of players.
The devs seem so caught up with trying to make EVERYTHING in the game come out to about 50-50 win rate, and yet the player satisfaction rate has felt for years like its been only bout 25%, if even that much...
Again, i dont have any stats so you could say im pulling these numbers out of my ass, but they do sound right to me. Blah blah blah rant over
I can feel the passion in your comment and I'm happy players still have it for this game. I agree a lot about what you're mentioning here, I just wish the devs would see comments like this. The 5v5 switch from 6v6 purely because they wouldn't fix the issues in there game, (because lets be honest they were balance issues) was a huge L in my book.
i think all the problems is coming from idea that blizzard first make fun casual game and then try to make it competitive, math works completely backwards in this case, they just have no clue how to balance competitive games
To kinda clarity, they tested 5v5 out on 2 occasions. The first was before OW1 was released. The conclusion for that time was, "Your mistakes are too visible and pressure too high."
The second time was before OW2 was released. They gathered pro players in Hawaii to test out 5v5. Pros unanimously said it was a bad idea and will bring many issues that we see today. Blizzard did it anyway.
That's right. The one time Blizzard utilized pro players and asked for their feedback, they completely ignored them. The rest of the player base was either confused, cautiously optimistic, or hostile towards 5v5. Blizzard themselves acknowledged the glaring flaws with the format, and 2 years in, those flaws are still here.
don't forget they put HEROES in the battlepass... then put a lock on them in the hero gallery that brings you to the buy coins page... when you could unlock them for free... and also labeling skin prices with paid coins when you can buy with free credits when you earned enough... borderline illegal
@@MrTruth2410 There was a Jeff Kaplan interview where he stated clearly Blizz wanted to create a technical game and over time dumb it down. We are now at the dumbed down phase.
For me, it's just that the game is changing and getting further and further away from what I loved about OW.
Remember what everyone was saying when OW2 was first released? "It's the same game". You know what? I really wish it was.
I played OW1 from the very beginning and have played every season up to now. There were awful metas to play into, terrible balance issues, but I still logged on almost every day, and enjoyed every minute I spent playing.
We were given this promise that we were going to be getting something better, and I trusted in the Team. So far, I've only been pushed further and further from this game with every patch.
Even the last thing that let me enjoy this game, my favorite hero, was ripped away with the S9 patch. Hanzo was stripped of his identity, his expression, and fun.
I miss Overwatch 1. I miss the feeling of wanting to log into the game I enjoyed - win or loss.
Bring back 6v6. All they have to do is be as present for it as they have been for 5v5. It WOULD be better.
I miss OW1 as well
I went to record some gameplay for Overwatch (I use it in the backgrounds a lot) and the game really just feels bad right now.
I think I might make a video on the problems with Overwatch 2 as well, and your video partially inspired me too so thank you!
Obviously I have many things of my own to talk about but no doubt points I was inspired by from you will make it in, will make sure to link in the description when I make mine.
Anyways great video, It’s sad what this game has come to. But it’s not too late, hopefully blizzard can get their act together
Will be looking for it.
i wish they would put a 6v6 gamemode in the arcade like why not? arcade isn't supposed to be taken seriously so it would be perfect.
Absolutely, I just starting saying this as of the beginning of this week. There's no reason they can't have it in Arcade mode.
@@shadezOW i think it’s mainly bc people would stop playing QP lmao.
Because nobody would play the other game modes, and they’re completely aware of it. Imagine willingly selecting qp or comp in 5v5 when classic 6v6 would be right there. Players would just make their own ranking system for the arcade mode through stuff like clans etc, not bothering with the garbage that is every other 5v5 mode 😅
@@meat3958you are 100% correct.
If they offered a “6v6 classic arcade mode” 80% of the player base would play that non stop. And at that point the devs would have to admit defeat. Aka no one actually wants to play 5v5 after all .
@@meat3958 i remember clans, one of the many things they promised ow2 (weapon inspect, banners, pve) would have but didn't get in the end
thank you for sharing your thoughts. you hit so many points that I feel myself as a long-time (since day 1 in 2016) OW player. I miss 6v6... I cannot lie :(
I miss it. The 6v6 pubs are the best we got right now.
I played since 2017, played comp through dive, GOATS, and double shield
I personally loved GOATS being a tank main, and absolutely despised Brig. she was where the games downfall began. Instead of nerfing Genji, tracer, winston or dva to reduce dive, they introduced a whole new broken character. Blizzard still has this problem of not nerfing characters and constantly buffing or increasing health and it’s clearly destroying the game. When double shield came around, i switched to dps and mained sombra. From beginning to this point, i climbed to mid/high diamond and stopped playing bc i hated double shield. After that i went to college, so i didnt have much time to play at all
I came back recently and have been noticing a lot of similar issues you and other youtubers like flats and frogger bring up. I agree with almost all of them. And i think its so funny because people would tell me i was just bad at the game or didnt know what i was talking about, or would also blame it on the fact that im a girl which was so dumb
Anyway, happy to see that a lot of these opinions arent just my own. Great vid!!
Dude, that was so great to listen to. I play rarely right now and mostly on consoles, but I spent 300+ hours in the first game and 100+ in the second and the main thing how I can describe playing as one tank (before s10 or after s10), is that I'm afraid to play. I'm constantly worried that if I'm tank (even in non-comp mode) I'm now under pressure. I can't pick who I'm best with, I have to play what's best for the team, there's no 2nd person to help my team out when I'm dead, and I don't enjoy that.
As for role queues, I am not sure what's the way around it but I hate current situation. I'm finding games fast, because I play tank or support mainly, but I have dps that I enjoy, for example, I've returned to the game after a few seasons and here's Venture, and I'm so happy to play as her, it just feels as a wholesome hero (in terms of personality and character design) made for OW1. But I have to wait 5-6min on console to play as dps (non ranked). And when I play as all roles, I can play 8-10 matches without getting a chance for dps.
Here from Samitos reaction live on stream. Great video!
I got a few dm's he reacted to my video, I haven't seen it yet, I'll be reacting on stream but I'm honored he checked it out. I appreciate your kind words!
They should cut skin prices in half. I don't even see some shop skins in my games anymore like especially skins for unpopular heroes like Torb. There is no way some basic one hour art for name cards or one day work mesh for souvenir can bloat "bundles" prices that much.
Unpopular opinion: I like Push lol i personally like the maps too. I on the other hand absolutely hate Flashpoint and the maps, it feels like it should be in the Arcade playlist. I hate how much they push the new maps in comp.
I swear i went like 2 days of only getting push and flashpoint. I felt like i was going insane.
I don’t care how old the maps are, but i love Kings Row, Dorado, Route 66. I love the old maps.
I was never much a fan of buying skins, but when the Cowboy bebop ones came out i was like finally something i really want. It’s greedy how they set their prices it forces you to either buy the entire bundle for like $70 instead of like one skin for $40.
Then you have the weird way they set the prices of in game currency. Which again forces you to buy the more expensive currency because it’s always just a bit off.
You barely earn in game currency by playing. You have to play an insane amount of comp to be able to afford anything.
I just want 6v6 back i was an Off tank main and now it’s just not worth it. I only play Dps and Support cause at least i have freedom. You make one mistake as Tank and everyone blames you and all of sudden you’re the reason we lost the match.
You liking push is a very unpopular opinion, but I would never say you're wrong for liking it. If you do, then by all means enjoy it, but I personally do not.
I basically had to use LFG 90% of the time back in Ow 1 and is worked well for me and 6v6 felt like it had more balance and strategy than 5v5. ow 2, 5v5 big numbers go boom don’t really need to think or communicate that much.
I believe it, I personally think LFG was used more than Blizz is letting on but in true Blizz fashion, instead of refining and polishing something they toss it.
I enjoyed ow2 at the start. But imo the absolute worse change they've made was the hitboxes. I really hope this will somehow get reverted.
True
The sigma change was genuinely so ridiculous, I knew it was going to be removed so I got to enjoy sigma for awhile before going back to winston hog lmao
I honestly rolled my eyes when I first read it.
They should just put a vote inside of a game (like the popup window when you get endorsement reward) with question "which format do you prefer?" And just act accordingly to answers.
I've also said maybe adding a voting system for ranked, when a lobby is created a vote comes up to determine the mode and map.
Same position. Overwatch has become soulless.
The most barebones F2P title right now.
I've been playing since year one too, and ever since they changed it to 5v5 I've NEVER felt like picking tank, which is strange for me since I LOVED tank in OW 1. It just saddens me that people like you and me have valid criticisms regarding the current meta, but Blizzard just doesn't seem to wanna listen. It bums me out :(
And here I was thinking I was the only person that hated Push.. my OW friends told me I'm way to negative about it but I said from the start that I'd play fucking paris all day If I never have to go see Push
People can like whatever they like, don't get me wrong, but what you're saying here would be the first time I have heard of a situation where more than one person likes push in the same group.
no one finna talk about the W sonic music? cultured man 👍🏾
You the first one! Glad to see someone appreciated it because I love Sonic music!
What did they do with legacy pve modes like uprising and retribution? Did they just delete them??? Why do they never bring these back??? It's literally free pve content
Blizzard kept these to "Anniversary" modes only. So, during the rest of the year it is deleted.
@@shadezOW I didnt play ow2 much after season3 but i don't think they ever brought it back for any anniversaries did they?
11:50 I love the push gamemode
If you truly do, then I'm happy you do. I personally, do not as this has been made clear. Also, most of the community does not like this game mode, no shade if you actually do enjoy the mode.
Reinhardt needs a buff, not a rework. Look at roadhog. Why can't I charge as fast as that hook moves? I have a rocket strapped to my back. He has a large fish hook and an arm. Look at Muaga. Why can he set people on fire but I can't. I have fire strike. Why doesn't my fire ignite people? Earth shatter destroys the ground, why doesn't it ignore armor damage reduction? Why can solid projectiles get stopped by the barrier shield, but not people?
Looking at patch data and running the numbers, consistently, he gets nerfed. His win rate is high but his pickrate is low. Mastering him is mastering a game plan people are not used to at any level. His wins are because of the suprise factor.
I've said for the longest time Rein fire strike should light enemies on fire. I want OW1 Rein gameplay back! Except keep the charge cancel though.
My main problem with the game now is it's not a team based turn based game. It's just a hero shooter. Skills don't matter. Every role is the same. Big dps , DPs that can heal, dps dps
My favorite part is when they took away my ability to play a game I paid money for. I'm not sure how thats legal but its certainly unethical/immoral at best. And then having the balls to call the same game with an in-game shop a free to play "sequel."
i think if we can still play 6v6 in custom, and if we can have mystery heroes comp, there’s no reason why 6v6 quick play hacked can’t be tested
I've said this as well, completely agree. Let's not pretend like the devs can't do anything they want to with the game, it's just a matter of if they ACTUALLY do it.
Please raise your voice or bring the microphone closer because i had to jack my volume to the max to hear you properly, good video though
This was my first video, I learned a lot from the feedback. Thank you for yours as well. You can see in my other videos I have improved lol.
Honestly, I feel like the premium currency in the battlepass is kinda ass. Because unlike everyone else with a battlepass, you can't continue to get it.
Overwatch has opened itself up to competition, sadly. It’s got amazing characters and world building but people are going to leave for something else (and already are) if they don’t fix it
As someone who enjoyed banging my head on 2cp the view on push is wild lol. It's worse? Lol
Far worse. There's other videos online that explain how once a certain point is reached with the bot it's numerically almost impossible to win from a number stand point. 2CP you can over turn a game with gameplay, things being in the players hand and not the game making the decisions for you.
@@shadezOW o damn wth lol
I think the main problem with Blizzard's work on OW 2 is that they care WAY TOO MUCH about casuals and low rank players, which unfortunately I understand, because the casuals are how they get their big money! So instead of listening to and benefiting long time, and loyal players they just pay attention to the complaints of casuals and the people that give them a bunch of money. Correct me if Im wrong
Took me 3 years, seems like it took you 8. Glooks bro, I’m glad you can see how this game n company have been scamming your shit
I've felt this way for quite some time, now deciding to act upon it. Truly happy to see everyone deciding to take action in the hopes Blizz gets their act together.
Been playing since the game came out, and there are alot of things going wrong with the game, not going to bother trying to make a list, but it was going downhill way before ow2, certain heros maps etc. I play sometimes, but it really is just some casual dm or qp.
5v5 limits gameplay strategy, just like removing cc abilities
Fixing A Lot of Overwatch 2
I would say the biggest problems with Overwatch 2 is tanks mixed with having 5 vs. 5 and not having 6 vs.6. Because of the fact that having only one tank means they have the most responsibility on the team. Which means one, the rest of the team relies on the tank the most as this raid boss and not their own skills as much. Two, the one tank has the most pressure by a long shot to perform well for themselves and their team, not having another tank to play with and back them up. An three, playing tank is generally the least fun of the three classes to play for most people because they have little to no clear positive feedback even when doing well when taking the brunt of the entire enemy team's attacks. Which means queue times just for tanks increases queue times for the games a lot if the time. Especially if it was 6v6 double tank again.
My solution, aside from revert to 6v6, is to rework a lot of the tanks into Bruisers. While tweaking the unchanged tanks to still keep the tank play style as an option for those who want it, and call them Pure Tanks/Puretanks. A Bruiser is a DPS Tank hybrid that gets some sort of increased survivability when dealing damage, which should make it fun for more to play tank and still give aggro away from teammates and give space. The question is which type of tank should be better, but I don't want to talk about that now. The goal is to have Bruisers do the job of soaking up damage while it be more engaging.
Activision Blizzard (or Microsoft) absolutely needs to revert to 6v6 and rework a lot of characters in order to compete. Comment below for questions.
We need 6v6!
@@shadezOW Absolutely, there is no other choice... and also to fire the exec or director that initiated 5v5. I don't want to play a game with boneheads constantly ruining it.
Good video. Went ahead and smashed those like/suscribe buttons for you!
I appreciate it, thank you so much. This is my first real video and I've already received so much feedback on how to improve I'll be cranking them out soon!
Survivorship bias
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Survivorship bias or survival bias is the logical error of concentrating on entities that passed a selection process while overlooking those that did not. This can lead to incorrect conclusions because of incomplete data.
Survivorship bias is a form of selection bias that can lead to overly optimistic beliefs because multiple failures are overlooked, such as when companies that no longer exist are excluded from analyses of financial performance. It can also lead to the false belief that the successes in a group have some special property, rather than just coincidence as in correlation "proves" causality.
Another kind of survivorship bias would involve thinking that an incident happened in a particular way because the only people who were involved in the incident who can speak about it are those who survived it. Even if one knew that some people are dead, they would not have their voice to add to the conversation, making it biased.
honestly probably 212 is better since dps doesnt really have synergy with each other.. if they still want to go with this 5 v 5 thing..
Just give us 6v6 back.
@@shadezOW 100% aggreed
for me cass is fine just need to make his ult better and reaper they need to put his spread back that he had in overwatch 2 i feel like this game needs to go back to 6v6 some heros are just not ment to be put in 5v5 like widow and hanzo and genji wreaking ball dont feel balanced at all for me and the phara rework makes her more unfun to play againse
Fire vid
Thank you, I appreciate your kind words!
for me most thinghs got even worse when they added mauga
I already uninstalled, stopped playing tank 3 seasons ago and even dps is ass if you dont play meta. Ive come to the conclusion that bliz caters to dead brained healer mains, hence the busted burst healing and the get out of jail free cards. Since all the healer creep, dps got buff3d, but tanks get shredded because of the 5v5 format. Blizz is unwilling to make the cry baby healer mains upset,but they are more than happy to make tank mains play time miserable.
Check back in a couple months, the game is getting roasted on all sides. It has to go back.
You just keep saying over and over that you don't like how the game feels but give very *very* few actual points. I'm only about 10 minutes in but this is a huge nothing burger. I get that you don't like 5v5.... Is that it?
Also single word captions are the worst
I gave many points in the video. Also, the captions being single word was a bad choice, will not make that same mistake again on my future videos. Still learning this.
I used to main Dva and now haven’t since season 1 of ow2.
I haven’t played the game recently
Dva lost her identity with the release of OW2. She was a tank enabler, now there is no tank to enable.
i wouldn't even have minded the whole taking 300years to unlock the hero gallery direction they've taken if the game was actually fun..
i think they didnt want an extra game mode for 6v6 because i'm assuming half the playerbase will flock to it and there will be no one queueing for 5v5. And if they revert the base game back to 6v6 then they would have to admit that OW2 is just an update with more features taken away than implemented.
And don't even get me started on how badly this new engine runs, and the myriad of sound bugs in the game.
Directional sound used to be so clear that you could tell exactly where each enemy is on the map, now it's just a bass boosted sludge
Everyone should get a rework to make it feel like you know... overwatch 2. Another huge issue is the content creators.. they express thier opinions with everything wrong with the game
but then they quickly do a 360 and keep playing the game and supporting blizzard in collaborations. Im sure they gwt paid by them.
I really dont want to be that person, but if you are feeling this way, stop playing the game, you are making it worse for urself. Play something else, and if you have the itch to come back then you will come back when you feel ready. If you have to take a season off then do it. In ow2 sometimes i play 2 season straight and skip a season. Sometimes i only play half then season then come back the next one. You have to put the game down, all of you do. Please....
I find myself taking more breaks from the game now more than ever.
y'all don't like Push? I like Push and Flashpoint more then I like the Escort mode [maps on the other hand... Colosseo is easily the worst map in the game]
Like I mentioned in the video, almost everyone I've spoken to ever since OW2 release does not like this game mode. Glad there's a few players who do.
I am done being constructive lol
i can play like half of the tanks to low masters and im not interested in beating my head against the wall, getting forced off what i want to do. I can just play a game thats gonna let me do what want to do.
I'm in the same boat.....pain
I love how the gameplay went from 5v5 to 6v6 and then back to 5v5. It really shows how bad the gameplay loop is for tank in 5v5.
I honast to God miss 2 CP, it had some of the most fun and iconic maps in the OG game. F*** Paris though
I'm there with you. 2CP wasn't perfect but it could have been so much better. I can't speak on the Paris map my best friend loves that map lol
Good vid. You should make more
Thank you, I appreciate your kind words. I'm uploading another rant video later today.
Just a great video
I appreciate your kind words, thank you!
2 thing :
6 v 6 ; or 5 v 5 with 2 tank and 1 supp.
Honestly, a game about pushing an objevtiv, with a comp 1 frontliner/4 backliner is dumb as f*** .
It is really the shitest thing possible.
Cause :
The only frontline is not there = you do nothing till he come back..
And If you are the frontline and the backline let you push alone at anytime and provide 0 utility.... it will make the game almost impossible.
But you have to understand that soldier playing behind all game focusing the tank... he wants his 12k damage and 3 death max at the end 😂😂🤢🤮.
And he will beleive he pmayed great, while he was perfectly useless
It makes it unplayable or frustrating.
It could be ok if the community know perfectly how to play, when they should push/commit with squeechies, even if it means die for win the fight.
The 6v6 contain this problem too, but it mitigate it a looot.
Or have a 2nd tank instead of a 2nd support could mitigate it too. Ofc doing so, maybe rebalance a little tank to make them have less hp
i liked push mode and 2cp
2CP was fun when I had my friends or another tank player that was working with me. You're on your own with Push though lol
@@shadezOW push would be cool with 7v7 no hero limits
well bro its because the people who are running the game aren't the same people who made the game that's why it is why it is.
True, it's funny you say that because Aaron K. has made comments about wanting to do better than the previous entry (in my opinion) they haven't even come close yet to achieving this.
Good video.
Thank you, I appreciate your kind words.
Something that irks me about OW2's balance lately...
OW Community: Can you nerf [Support hero] ? They are too strong and exasperate boring and busted metas.
OW Devs: Did you say, "Change everything about the game and introduce MORE power creep, instead of nerfing said support"?
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OW Community: Can you change this part of a hero so it's more balanced/fun to play with/against?
OW Devs: Did you say, "Make a completely unrelated change that doesn't fix the problem with the hero?"
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OW Community: This hero (*cough* Hanzo *cough*) isn't fun right now, and the new balance changes make him feel unrewarding, weak, and enforce an unfun playstyle. Can you change him?
OW Devs: Actually, Said hero is fine in low ranks, so we won't buff them.
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OW Community: This hero has been busted for a while now. Can you nerf them?
OW Devs: Actually, Said hero is underperforming in low ranks, so we won't nerf them. /// Or Worse /// Did you say, "Give them one nerf, and 3 unneeded compensation buffs that make the overall change a net buff?"
This reminds me of Illari tbh...
@@justarandomfan2421 Fun fact - The part about "changing an ability to be more fun to use and play against" was actually in reference to Illari Pylon.
A lot of people asked to make the Pylon have a duration and put more healing into Illari herself instead of a turret that can be placed in near impossible to destroy locations without much thought from the player themselves.
of course... Blizzard didn't listen to any feedback...
@@candy1049 Blizzard is just.. really intresting
Felt this
Oh you silly goose, that's just not OW devs, that's all Blizzard games. Blizzard can't acknowledge fans input.
Yeah even in OW1s dead state, I could play a bunch of games using LFG when I was a bit lower rank. Now I get up, play a single GM3 game, and close desktop.
I feel that
same, could barely play for an hour until i get bored or annoyed with the game, see how slowly the battlepass bar is going up, and alt f4.. haven't played for months now
5v5 fucking sucks
Realest thing ive heard today
My man spittin
what a brave comment
Honestly I'm 50 50 on both they need to release both as a qp and comp option or at the very least just qp but in order for both to happen blizzard would need too add the 5v5 format to 5v5 and the 6v6 format to the 6v6 mode which judging how far in the dumps this game has gone that might be a bit too much for blizzard too handle also the dps passive that effects tanks is way too much it needs a nerf (this is coming from a dps main) but not too much or we are back to healers pocketing the tanks for the whole game which takes 20 shots from reapers shotgun just to kill
@@cloroxbleach1457 Splitting queues would utterly crucify queue times. It HAS to be either or. Sad reality of affairs. Whether that is 5v5 or 6v6 makes or breaks for me personally, as I am an OG open beta Overwatch 1 player who dislike the reduction in complexity that 5v5 has brought. If vast majority prefers 5v5 and they outright claim its there to stay, at least then I can confidently say I won't be back.
that's actually a quintessential point; why are tanks mostly getting focused for reworks for 5v5 when every other character was designed for 6v6?
Now you getting it!
I can't with the hp and hit box changes
I'm right there with you, everyone had different opinions on it but I don't see how anyone could like the increased size hitboxes. The hp pools are getting to be a bit much.
Agreed, Haven't played since they changed em myself
I find it funny that they swapped to 5v5 to deal with matches being too long
And then have only done things to make it harder to kill people
Higher healing numbers
Healers with abilities that serve as get out of jail free cards
The loss of a lot of high damage combos
The very fact that DPS has a passive to reduce how much people heal should tell OW that, yes, things have gone too far
@@beywheelzhater8930 The only matches that went on a bit longer if the teams were evenly matched and higher elo were the 2cp games. I also didn't mind them being longer either, not sure what others would say about this though.
Honestly, the shop prices would be fine if we could actually earn coins by playing the game. They seem high right now because there's no reliable way to offset the price.
I thought about this as well, it's crazy how little we can earn organically through just actual gameplay.
@@shadezOW I didnt spend money on OW2 for its first year and only casually played it (only when my friends would beg me, otherwise I'd play better games) and it took me, honest to god, ONE YEAR to earn a free skin. It was a kiriko skin and they gave it for free with xbox gamepass a month later. 😂
Its a free to play game they need to make money somehow . Skins are skins they dont impact your gameplay
@@xythiera7255 no but it's a damn good motivation to keep playing
@@copiagueeagle I would be so pissed 💀
That Geoff Goodman clip was extremely painful to sit through. I now understand why the game is in the tragic state is it now. With people like him in charge for any significant amount of time the title was always bound to fail
This clip is always the main point of my argument as to why 5v5 was doomed from the start.
The Gospel of Samito spreads my brothers....and sisters
I've seen a few of his shorts and the man hasn't missed the mark yet.
Hot take, but when it comes to weapon skins....
Why I can't mix and match them? Why we can only do so with special skins that at best works only for one skin and for rest fits about as well as fist fits a nose? Skins are already expensive, having that option would help me stomach the price and justify some skins being as pricey as they are.
But I guess Blizzard doesn't want my money that much.
That's interesting, I never thought about something like this. Is it maybe something like a weapon editor or something?
@@shadezOW I think he means using skin A but the weapon from skin B
@@vergilsgamingchair8772 paladins let's you do this or least use to
remember loot boxes? remember when you could earn them through playing arcade? remember when you could earn them from leveling up? remember how could earn currency for things you already owned? remember when they did events to earn skins and sprays by playing the game or playing other Blizzard games? i didn't buy coins at all from 2017-2023 and still got every event skin I wanted, even some I didn't. i never thought I'd miss loot boxes, never thought I would miss the blue and white lights for rares and commons, but here we are.....here we are....
We had it so good back then we had no idea
Loot Boxxes are still incredibly predatory in nature. The fact the monetisation is as bad as it is now is to try make up for the loss of revenue from Loot Boxes taking advantage of vulnerable people with gambling addictions.
Remember when they didn't make you buy an event in order to actually earn "free things" I hated that winter wonderland event it was.... dumb.
@@caldw615 in general, true, but you could unlock everything wether you bought them or not. now it's just fortnite dogwater garbage
@@Meta9871 With how frequently they kept adding new skins and limited time ones for events I doubt that. Unless you no lifed and played nothing but OW for the full event periods.
Overwatch severely needs a guild system, where teams and team environments can be created and grown naturally -all within the game UI. Scrim and practice scheduling, match search, a ranked mode for teams exclusively, etc. And make it represent the core of what this game's pinnacle aspires to be. Minimize rng, random players and non-synergies, promote teamwork genuinely, etc. And it won't make the game more sweaty, it'll make it more consistent and true to the original vision for this game.
It's wild to me that the dev teams have jumped through so many hoops, reworks, format changes, engine changes -yet at no point have they seriously considered a guild system. The one feature that unilaterally promotes everything healthy about the game, and seeks to cut out all the rng bullshit that people on forums complain about every single day.
Make actual team play convenient for those who want to take OW to a higher level and have something meaningful to grind for and improve at. It's that simple.
100% agree
I actually mentioned this in my video I posted yesterday. This game needed this feature SOO long ago.
Way back, the devs said they didn't want to implement something like that until they were able to implement it battlenet-wide. It was a BS excuse then and it's watery dog shit now, OW1 should've had that feature by year 2 and here we are still waiting for it.
@@SticklsOfDoom Nah right before OW2 launched they said they were actually working on a guild system. They had a roadmap picture and guilds was written on it. And Aaron Keller had a twitter post talking about working on a guild system.
There was a comment somewhere in some thread on the OW forums with the links that I saw about 2-3 weeks ago.
Amazing video! I agree with everything you said and would also like to see 6v6 happen 🙂
Thank you my friend!
its funny u say that its magnified for tanks because I am a support main and I have the same issues I have been playing since 2017 and I never thought I would quit overwatch until this last few months
I probably should have specified in greater detail about that comment, I was ranting so didn't do the best job of that. The items I'm mentioning are the tank game loop specifically. I believe all the roles have issues right now, all different but all valid.
@shadez4917 yep with you there 100% all roles have issues and I believe they cannot be fixed in 5v5 because you cannot have equal power across all roles in this format in order for you to make a role stronger you must gut the others aka the new dps passive without it supps would dominate. I don't think this problem is fixable unless we go back to 6v6 I am not saying it gets fixed instantly I am saying it could be fixable where in this format it's impossible in my opinion
idk tbh the format issue could be fixed by nerfing literally everything instead of buffing and "reworking" (5v5 buffing) chars
some heroes arent meant to be always good picks
power creep sux
It's really bad in this game
Hey, at least... compared to a game like Raid Shadow Legends... nah, the prices are just absurd... even compared to a game like that.
Just like you said the prices are competitive with other free to play games. The games that most ow players i have met never played or didnt like. Its like ow devs want a new player base
It definitely feels like the "let's make a great game" line is a load of bs and they want the game to burn instead
@@heyyou9903 I honestly feel it's just something they say for good "pr"
How to have fun with Overwatch: Take a break. A week, or two, or a month or a year. Come back and you will see the joy it is to play. Day to day grind will wear you down till decay.
Currently i have been on break since the Le SSerafim promo but i plan to return because Overwatch is perfect in every way
True, whenever I feel burnt out I take a break, I find myself doing it more often though................
I've been taking a break since OW1 got shut down, best decision ever, this game is a husk
I agree with almost all of your points, and even if I didn't, this was a great video. Very casual and inviting, a nice break from other videos on this topic that are more toxic.
I can really tell that you are someone who loves this game.
Thank you so much. I appreciate your kind words!
When I sit down and think about it, I genuinely cannot come up with a single thing that they have done over the past 2 years to significantly improve the game.
I can sit here for hours though and list off all of the ways that they have significantly ruined the game in the past 2 years.
It's at a certain point where even me, I haven't ever experienced 6v6, would want to go to 6v6. It just looks like it makes more sense to have two tanks so that it would be less frustrating. I hate the tank role, being so important and so influential, while not being able to do much without blowing up, is just dumb.
Giving one person the job of what two people used to do. Yeah that'll go well.
who tf can take this game seriously any more??? if you wanna have fun playing a tank just roleplay Rein in Elden Ring
T.R.O.Y. is such a good song from NBA Street Volume 2
9:38 RESPECT OF THE PLAYERS TIME!!! Hit the nail on the head there. You aren’t rewarded for learning the game, you aren’t rewarded for playing the game, and you can’t leave the box they put you in. What’s the point of spending time in the game when you get the most value at the SKILL FLOOR??
I wasn't sure if I was alone in this thought and was hoping this would resonate with others.
Id disagree with saying clash is bad. You said "whoever wins the first fight wins it all" which i think is untrue since the mode actively incentivizes combacks, due to the score system, and the loosing teams cap points being more defender sided
Its not perfect by any means, but its wayyyy better than push or flashpoint
Also open queue 6v6 is true overwatch
Most of my games of Clash were just that, the team who wins first fight wins the match. Could be an elo thing for sure. 6v6 open queue was peak!
I can rant all day about alot of the same stuff you said and then some but the leaver penalty in quickplay pissed me off because i get it too often because I avoid new junk city everytime i get it because I GET IT SO DAMN OFTEN I haven't played the Rio map in literally 3+ weeks i get kings row every blue moon but im tired of new junk city i get it atleast once everytime i log on WHY? Why am i getting punished for not wanting to play the same 4 exact maps EVERYDAY idk if my rng is bad but i hate only playing busan new junk city new queen street and Antarctica everytime i get on I barely get Gibraltar too WTF?
I love how Blizzard changed the name to "unranked" now with the leaver changes as it used to be called quickplay.
@@shadezOW its more sweaty than comp rn so i play open queue and that's so fun atp 😂
I need @Samito to react to this.
I got a few dm's saying he did actually, I'll be reacting to it on stream. Looking forward to seeing what he has to say.
please for the love of all we hold dear upload more, this is the most honest, concise, and well thought out rant I've ever seen this game produce and I need more
Thank you, I truly appreciate your kind words. I just uploaded my next rant video about an hour ago. Let me know your thoughts on it, I also have a poll up for the next vid under my posts.
I am a tank main also the game is terrible now and the worst thing about it is the predictable match maker. If you win a game you can guarantee it will be followed by a insta loss cause you got a dps on your team that got only 5 elims all game. The match maker needs to be reworked and fixed. The balance is horrible but the rigged match maker is even worse. They need to bring back 6v6 or the game is as good as dead.
Keep your head up my fellow tank player!!
How are you playing a 6v6 gamemode? do you know the code?
There's shop codes and pug games you can find to hop in. I do believe a few other content creators are creating a 6v6 community, I heard it's doing well.
@@shadezOW just played one last night. Super fun. the nostalgia hit hard lol
currently at the start of season 11, maybe i'm just sensitive, but let me explain;
I was bored so i hopped into a comp game (silver 4) recently dropped from sliver 3 so I wanted to rank up, I was healing my tank and suddenly our sombra was screaming for healing, i though my other support would help but no (maybe they were dead? idk) but i was instantly told "stop pocketing our tank, heal our dps" I kind of just paused, because I did?? then I was called a healbot, and a loser. So i left the match even though I would get kicked out for 9 minutes. I left. And I got called a loser for it :/
They just buffed Orisa
The 1 second reduction on javelin spin is not that big of a deal.
Fuck it, bring back 6v6. So what if the queue times are long? It’s worth it if the game starts being FUN again.
Go back to 6v6 na bro let's rework the whole roster at least twice first before we think of that 😂😂😂😂
Blizzard brough this on themselves if you know its gonna be problems why. Would u do it its kond of like they wanted to fail keep grindin 6v6 is returning trust for some reason they care about making games for babys and money instead of making it for the og players
True. Like I mentioned in my new video, not one single person asked for 5v5.
the issue is that skill ceilings have been nerfed for EVERY HERO and the newest ones are fairly easy to win with.
I would clarify on your statement and say that many of the high skill ceiling characters can't compete with the new heroes that are released "over kitted." Definitely agree with you.
Man, I love getting walking simulator (flashpoint) and get penalized for leaving a boring game mode in QP
Some suggestions I have for the shop:
1) The REAL SKIN PRICE (not the bundle price) should be readily shown in the Shop, players should not have to go to the Hero Gallery to find the real price of the solo skin
2) any skin Recolors should be solidly discounted for owners of any version of that skin
I'd be okay with this, but I also feel the skin prices even without the "discounts" should be lower.
I think it's all perspective, when a person is 16 and plays the OG to now, they most likely won't like it as much, those are major growth years and what we perceive at 16 to early 20's is important. Myself, I just started playing OW2 about 2 weeks ago and I love it, this game is amazing and I don't know why I didn't play it earlier, but I am playing it now and I LOVE this game so much.
I enjoy the game, that's why I continue to play it. However, it could be so much better. I'm happy to hear others enjoying the game but I think it's subjective but also based around what the old player base (2016 players) were there during the golden days and now we are here. Also, I feel you can't miss something you never had.