Even at my age I still wonder why are we so cruel to each other. Can't they see what world they are creating. They can't see that one day it will be their turn.
I believe most ageism occurs without ever meeting them. They take one look at your resume and can pretty well guess your age. After 34 years I, along with 900+ coworkers) found myself looking for a job after it was decided to permanently close our hotel. I may be older but I’m still young at heart and still have a lot to offer.
I agree most ageism occurs before the in person meeting. At least that saves the interviewees from wasting their time. I think most older folks are pushed out of a job while they still have a lot to offer. I am sorry that happened to you.
I just got hired in a hospital and am 60 there were nurses there and RT who were not so young either. Am trying to hold on because at my age I might not get so lucky again.
I am glad you and other people who were not so young were also hired. Sounds like it’s a good place to work. Congratulations! I am sure deserve the opportunity.
Two thoughts... 1. When they say we need someone to "grow" with us....remind them how millennials switch jobs on an average of every 2-3 years and you were at you last job for double digits. 2. Also. Don't be afraid to "shock" them with a bold younger statement. I am older and in pretty good shape (plus a big dude) and if I hear something like "we want a younger dude" I just say "Feel free to lock us in a room and whoever opens the door, gets the job." Of course, they are not gonna do that but just knowing I am thinking like that gets over the grandpa stereotype.
You are right about how often younger folks switch jobs but I don’t think most really care that people a little older will stay on the job longer. That’s a shame because they lose out on a loyal, productive worker.
@@Over50tv I don't think they care (although with the worker shortage now, some might). For the most part, though, I think their interest lies in who is the cheapest and healthiest.
Great session. Ageism is bad, but it may also point to the fact that you have a culture mismatch. Better to find out before you take the position. Not many (if any) HR people are going to admit that they are just going thru the motions with you to check the "interviewed a wide spectrum of candidates" box.
The possibility of a culture mismatch is real. Thoroughly researching the company before attending the interview could save the interviewee from wasting their time.
@@Over50tv Agreed. However, sometimes you just don't know till you are in the door. Having lived thru such an experience, it was a case of ageism, true Culture mismatch and just plain bias. Live and learn.
. Thanks for another great video for us older folks. I think I certainly would get up and walk out if the interviewer were staring at their phone, that is so rude!! (makes me wonder if they would even notice!). Have you considered reaching out to any other HR YT that can do a collaboration? "work it daily" has some GREAT pointers for the interview process and I learned some key points as an older person about how to present yourself as an older person. She talks about the HR's point of view in todays 'millennial' mindset. I am certainly not putting down Joric's experience, but a lot of his experience is old school and in today's climate people really need to understand the millennial mindset when they go into an interview because most of your HR people are going to be in that age group. The years of experience is a plus, but they seem to be more interested in things that we just don't think of, and if you are not prepared, you cannot play the game and get the job. "key words" seem to be very important for them. Even though you may not believe whatever those "key words' represent, you need to know them. As for years of experience, anything over 5 years in their mind is just 'too much'. I know it sounds ridiculous, but when you start talking about all the years of experience and the changes that you have seen, their minds go blank. You have to remember that they do not have that long term mindset, very few of them have been with a company more than 5 years, so they cannot comprehend it, nor understand why anyone would do it! And the paradoxical thing about it is that they will ask you about your '5 year plan'. It's comical, actually.
I enjoyed reading your comment. It is very helpful to get feedback, so thank you! Your suggestion to get different perspectives by collaborating with other HR YT’ers is a great idea. Fact is I’ve reached out to many on YT and some on Facebook, but so far all I hear is crickets. I won’t speculate as to why I get no response but my commitment to offering our viewers the best, most usable tips and information is unchanged. It’s why I am grateful to feature Joric, and recently Gerard le Roux. I’ll keep recruiting experts!
During my last interview, I was informing them of my accomplishments and the things I have achieved at my current job. One of the interviewers said, "Then why do you want to work here"? It was the biggest waste of time and I lost total respect with that company.
When I’ve asked that question of someone interviewing at my business I was looking for them to tell me why they thought working at my business was a better opportunity. It sounds like the person you met with already wrote you off and was wasting your time. I am sorry you had that experience.
What about if they say that they are looking for only employees who have had longevity in other jobs. In a recent interview the HR woman and the recruiting company suggested I am a job hopper. I have been subjected to multiple layoffs from company closure and buyouts. When they brought this up I knew I didn't stand a chance.
It sounds like you had very good reasons for not having longevity at a few of these positions. i strongly suggest getting a letter of reference from at least two of the companies that laid you off so when this comes up you can hand the letters to those folks and say, "I think this will explain what happened."
Even at my age I still wonder why are we so cruel to each other. Can't they see what world they are creating. They can't see that one day it will be their turn.
They are only concerned about today. But, you are right, one day it will be there turn.
@@Over50tv * their 😁
I believe most ageism occurs without ever meeting them. They take one look at your resume and can pretty well guess your age. After 34 years I, along with 900+ coworkers) found myself looking for a job after it was decided to permanently close our hotel. I may be older but I’m still young at heart and still have a lot to offer.
I agree most ageism occurs before the in person meeting. At least that saves the interviewees from wasting their time. I think most older folks are pushed out of a job while they still have a lot to offer. I am sorry that happened to you.
I just got hired in a hospital and am 60 there were nurses there and RT who were not so young either. Am trying to hold on because at my age I might not get so lucky again.
I am glad you and other people who were not so young were also hired. Sounds like it’s a good place to work. Congratulations! I am sure deserve the opportunity.
Two thoughts...
1. When they say we need someone to "grow" with us....remind them how millennials switch jobs on an average of every 2-3 years and you were at you last job for double digits.
2. Also. Don't be afraid to "shock" them with a bold younger statement. I am older and in pretty good shape (plus a big dude) and if I hear something like "we want a younger dude" I just say "Feel free to lock us in a room and whoever opens the door, gets the job." Of course, they are not gonna do that but just knowing I am thinking like that gets over the grandpa stereotype.
You are right about how often younger folks switch jobs but I don’t think most really care that people a little older will stay on the job longer. That’s a shame because they lose out on a loyal, productive worker.
@@Over50tv I don't think they care (although with the worker shortage now, some might). For the most part, though, I think their interest lies in who is the cheapest and healthiest.
Great session. Ageism is bad, but it may also point to the fact that you have a culture mismatch. Better to find out before you take the position. Not many (if any) HR people are going to admit that they are just going thru the motions with you to check the "interviewed a wide spectrum of candidates" box.
The possibility of a culture mismatch is real. Thoroughly researching the company before attending the interview could save the interviewee from wasting their time.
@@Over50tv Agreed. However, sometimes you just don't know till you are in the door. Having lived thru such an experience, it was a case of ageism, true Culture mismatch and just plain bias. Live and learn.
. Thanks for another great video for us older folks. I think I certainly would get up and walk out if the interviewer were staring at their phone, that is so rude!! (makes me wonder if they would even notice!). Have you considered reaching out to any other HR YT that can do a collaboration? "work it daily" has some GREAT pointers for the interview process and I learned some key points as an older person about how to present yourself as an older person. She talks about the HR's point of view in todays 'millennial' mindset. I am certainly not putting down Joric's experience, but a lot of his experience is old school and in today's climate people really need to understand the millennial mindset when they go into an interview because most of your HR people are going to be in that age group. The years of experience is a plus, but they seem to be more interested in things that we just don't think of, and if you are not prepared, you cannot play the game and get the job. "key words" seem to be very important for them. Even though you may not believe whatever those "key words' represent, you need to know them. As for years of experience, anything over 5 years in their mind is just 'too much'. I know it sounds ridiculous, but when you start talking about all the years of experience and the changes that you have seen, their minds go blank. You have to remember that they do not have that long term mindset, very few of them have been with a company more than 5 years, so they cannot comprehend it, nor understand why anyone would do it! And the paradoxical thing about it is that they will ask you about your '5 year plan'. It's comical, actually.
I enjoyed reading your comment. It is very helpful to get feedback, so thank you! Your suggestion to get different perspectives by collaborating with other HR YT’ers is a great idea. Fact is I’ve reached out to many on YT and some on Facebook, but so far all I hear is crickets. I won’t speculate as to why I get no response but my commitment to offering our viewers the best, most usable tips and information is unchanged. It’s why I am grateful to feature Joric, and recently Gerard le Roux. I’ll keep recruiting experts!
During my last interview, I was informing them of my accomplishments and the things I have achieved at my current job. One of the interviewers said, "Then why do you want to work here"? It was the biggest waste of time and I lost total respect with that company.
When I’ve asked that question of someone interviewing at my business I was looking for them to tell me why they thought working at my business was a better opportunity. It sounds like the person you met with already wrote you off and was wasting your time. I am sorry you had that experience.
Or "ideally, someone with one year experience". Just the job ads will tell you- STAY AWAY!
Yes, I’ve seen ads like that. They usually don’t pay very well.
@@Over50tv I call them glorified sweat shops
And the phrase "competitive pay" usually means low wages.
What about if they say that they are looking for only employees who have had longevity in other jobs. In a recent interview the HR woman and the recruiting company suggested I am a job hopper. I have been subjected to multiple layoffs from company closure and buyouts. When they brought this up I knew I didn't stand a chance.
It sounds like you had very good reasons for not having longevity at a few of these positions. i strongly suggest getting a letter of reference from at least two of the companies that laid you off so when this comes up you can hand the letters to those folks and say, "I think this will explain what happened."