New Boeing 787 & 777 Problem?
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- A whistleblower has expressed concerns about production flaws present with the Boeing 777 and 787 in the latest string or problems impacting the American plane maker. The new allegations have sent the manufacturer once more tumbling down a spiral of never-ending difficulties, with the FAA set to investigate the comments to see if there's any weight behind them.
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I think that the problem for Boeing now is as that old spanish sentence: "en boca del mentiroso, lo cierto se hace dudoso". In english, "in he liar's mouth, the truth becomes doubtful".
Spanish or Mexican ??
Bien dicho 👍
Boeing no conoce esta expression, la empresa se queda en su mundo proprio.
El publico vera las ultimas respuestas como mas mentiras de Boeing.
@@neznamtija8081 I think is spanish, but maybe both.
The boy who cried wolf!
The curse of the bean counters.
where?
Apparently they came into Boeing with the 1997 merger with MacD/Douglas.
Boeing is reaping what it has sown. Trust has to be earned by actions rather than a few vague and Weasley worded statements designed to keep share prices up without costing Boeing money. The production slow down and extra inspections were forced through by media pressure. the FAA and NTSB - not Boeing. The shuffling of job titles of some senior board members, with obscenely large payoffs for rewarding those looking the other way and not doing anything despite 350 deaths, is blood money. No aerospace engineer talent was added to the board really showing a lack of commitment towards safety and less on profit.
Airbus is reaping what it has sewn too. Trust needs to be earned by actions rather than a vague and Weasley worded phrases just to keep share prices up without costing the entire company money. the world cannot loose Boeing for what it is going through right now
@@nickolliver3021 Airbus?!! No. BOEING!!
If it ain’t BOEING I ain’t going, I’ve flown on Airbus and and not duly impressed, I’ve worked on both and give BOEING the thumbs up.
The accountants have destroyed what was one of the best American manufacturer's
That’s capitalism for you
you wont know if its true or not
@@nickolliver3021cry
Boeing has been consistently cutting assembly standards and inspections in favor of production and profit. Even worse, they bought their stock to enrich the BOD rather than spend those millions on engineering and quality. Boeing has lied continuously every single time another safety problem or accident occurred. There is nothing wrong with the good employees of Boeing. The fault lies in two areas, the disgusting psychopathic greed of the Board Of Directors and the rubber stamp FAA ignoring its own regulations. In addition to the two deadly accidents and air plug incident the longer term production problems and constant pressure from middle management are just now showing up and are only going to get worse as these troubled aircraft age. The potential for in flight breakups are real. It’s not just the aircraft division. All of Boeing is screwing up. Schedules and failures have and are occurring in Space and Military. Meanwhile, the BOD is leaving the sinking Boeing ship with $50,000,000.oo bonuses and for what? For destroying a once fine company in favor of their personal greed. They got rich as passengers and crew died! In my opinion they should be on trial for involuntary manslaughter. And just for one final kick in the pants, incredibly Boeing has doubled down on engineering incompetence and appointed another finance office to CEO, the very type of bean counter and mental set responsible for Boeing’s multiple failures.
Gosh so much to type heh what will it do to get Boeing to respond? Nothing!
FAA needs to get access to every 787 that is being parted out & check these joints
It was a known in early production to be problem due to subcontractor dimensions not being the same as Boeing and joints needed reworking (fudging). Boeing have yet to master satellite production processes and never will while they sit in the ivory tower. It seems they are prepared to throw money out for compensation and fines in favour of a more cost effective and safer option of building a decent product.
Like many American companies, money is first of safety and quality, its the truth guys.
I saw Al Jazeera documentry about boeing 6 years before, where one employee came drunk it seems. And one employee say I won't travel in these.... . I think Al Jazeera may right on boeing.
Al jazeera is a Palestinian propaganda machine so u better not believe everything they say!
Why has the Aljazeera got to be mentioned yet that is a way to scare people of 787?
Curious how one employee has insider information on two different programs. Implying he is at a higher level manager or engineer. One of Boeing's problems is that there's crackpots at all levels, many in North Charleston.
I'm more curious to know why this whistleblower is only speaking out now, if what he says is accurate then this has been happening for a very long time and he's known about it for a long time as well
@@colinbrown9549usually because it means they’ll loose their job for outing the company they work for if they haven’t already left.
He was transfered from 787 program when he complained internally. And there he saw the whistelblowed things.
@@klorevio Such a long distance transfer probably required middle management approval. I wonder if they knew what was going on at that level.
I remember watching Al Jazeera documentary and thinking that I never want to get on these planes. These workers where hammering important components into place with sledgehammer! If you build bicycles, losing few parts is annoying as a buyer. But if you 30K feet up in the sky moving at 400 mph is deadly.
just dont fly simple as that. planes are no longer what they are supposed to be
It will become harder and harder to know the truth. Boeing is facing scrutiny over lots of problems, so anyone with a grudge or a bone to pick can start saying things that may not be true, just to jump on the bandwagon. A disgruntled employee can take this opportunity to make allegations because they will sound more believable.
Just because someone says something doesn't mean it's automatically 100% true. Investigations are needed.
Meanwhile, as this happens, they need to move back to Seattle, and get rid of the bean counters and put engineers back in charge of the company.
A telling sign of non conforming fit up of joint is the amount of epoxy paint used to hide the deficiency. A little putty a little paint we can make it what it ain’t
"Claims" rather than facts. Let's see where this ends up, before making judgment.
paulboyd All these "supposed claims" by unknown whistle blowers (disgruntled employees") means nothing !!! Look how long the 777's have been in service, never had a structural failure, engine problems from PW and RR and a very safe plane, sans the suicidal pilot.or pilot errors,well over a thousand in service for over 20 years , same with the 787, one of the safest planes in the air, here again just engine , RR, problems and initially Japanese battery problems, never a structural failure, so where is the PROOF of bad "dangerous"assembly ???? Over 1000 in service for over 10 years.
@@wilburfinnigan2142 A manufacturing defect doesn't immediately show a safety issue until an incident happens and the investigation leads to that defect. Completely different from design flaw which is known not to be present. Know the diffence
Totally believable claims based on facts about the 737 Max.
@@wilburfinnigan2142he is claiming that over time, the way these planes are being produced can lead to metal fatigue and a mid air breakup of the fuselage. Boeing is denying that claim, just like they denied that there was anything wrong with the mcas system/Angle of attack sensors even AFTER two max 8’s fell out of the sky. The fact that the 777 and 787 have been reliable for the past decade is completely irrelevant if these issues can lead to a catastrophic event in years to come……..Boeing’s track record continues to show that they will continue to deny, deny, deny, then promise to make changes when their practices are proven unsafe……business as usual until they are finally held accountable for putting people’s lives at risk
Well I am not going on those aircraft to see that happen I stay off them 😮😮😮
The failure of a door plug in flight has severely impacted confidence in the manufacturer.
It just remind me the DC-10 blowing door case years ago. After the McDonnell Douglas absorption boing just went down. Except for the 787, they are stuck back in the 80's 90's...
Move their headquarters back to Seattle.
please clarify how quality control affects or has something to do with corporate location.
@agrazon you are aware about the headquarters move and the criticism at the time? I worked for an aerospace company and had people from various parts of the company able to see each other and be a part of the operation... nevermind. It is a big deal.
@@agrazonit has nothing to do with it one bit. Process and procedure has to change. An office relocation will have zero impact on whether or not a bolt will be tightened properly or not.
@@agrazonit doesn’t...like the "bean counter" comments...
People seem to forget that "bean counters" can be extremely competent when having good advice...the problems are simply down to a shift in Boeing's culture - including from its engineers...
Good proposal.
Because of the overall information that manufacturing shortcuts are being taken, Boeing should shutdown production lines and retrain all manufacturing employees on the correct manufacturing methods for each individual role.
go tell them. i dont think they will listen to you
Even if these comments by the whistleblower are inaccurate, does Boeing really deserve the benefit of the doubt? A lot of people comment on Airbus having similar issues, and that might be true, but I would never know because in the last decade, an A320neo system issue hasn’t resulted in 350 or so people losing their lives. I also haven’t seen an A321neo suffer a door plug blowout due to faulty design.
Maybe there have been issues at Airbus like this which have escaped media attention… but again, does Boeing really deserve the benefit of doubt after all the pain and suffering they caused, let alone all the airlines they’ve screwed over by being unable to deliver aircraft? They made the bed, now they have to lay in it… wouldn’t be surprised if that bed was designed faulty as well though
Airbus has already laid theirs they can just lay in it too and forget building planes too and give up if boeing does. Maybe boeing knows that they can build planes.
They cannot just stop and give up yet they've become so big of a company. Too big to fail that's what it is
tragicbronson IF you were to check the real facts scarebus has a slightly worse crash record !!!! scarebus's also crash but nobody seems to take notice. just biassed reporting !!!
First: The design of the door plug isn't faulty at all. It's been around since the 707 and never had issues.
It's that Boeing's unfixable unsafety culture affects the factory floor that badly since the merger.
Second: Only Boeing has a history of having committed a criminal conspiracy, no one else relevant in the aviation industry has.
Everyone trying to compare this with any other aviation business is nothing than trying to justify Boeing's crimes.
It has a reason why Boeing is under criminal investigation again.
The FBI even stated that the passengers who had to deal with the door plug flung away are probably the victims of a crime.
@@jantjarks7946 how is it that " boeings unfixable unsafety culture" the cause of all this on tne factory floor since tne merger?
Airbus has had criminal conspiracies too so go tell boeing to shut down completely because of this
Boeings crimes? Aurbus has done crimes as well. Seriously how serious do you wanna talk.
Everything is always under criminal investigation like they should be shut down for good. Go make them
Ahah they are no way victims of tbe crime. There was no crime committed from that door plug that blew off
'Haven’t seen an A321neo suffer a door plug blowout due to faulty design.' - Perhaps you should already have recognized that this was not because of faulty design, but by faulty working and omitting several bolts. This became clear within the first week after the accident in January.
This complaint is either valid or it’s “sour grapes”.
On the 727 line If there were gaps due to parts not perfectly fitting, Engineering would come in to create shims to safely fill the gaps.
I’m sure that if the rings that hold the fuselage sections together are fine (as long as the shop staff called Engineering for a fix). With or without a filler part, the rings should have fit together smoothly. If there was a gap, a filler part would need to be designed and installed. I’m sure this happened.
As long as the parts did not have to be forced together when fastened all should be well. If they were forced together causing torquing or bending (which creates a Preloading of mechanical stress) that would be a potential problem.
That is a long time ago.
That's pretty simplistic
have yous seen the testimony of the whistleblower, apparperntly they were jumping on parts to force them in
At this point when you see the media blaming Boeing for a cowling detachment off an 8 year old “Boeing” 737 which is obviously a ground crew maintenance issue as well as a tire coming off a 737 on take off again ground maintenance, one suspects that incompetence and poor training at airports can now be easily blamed on Boeing the so called whipping boy and the public believes these false accusations. These erroneous accusations now make any further statements from whistleblowers suspect and if these accusations are proven false the damage is done regardless in the public opinion. Since the majority of planes flown in the US are manufactured by Boeing many 737, any incident including a bird strike a loose plastic window surround or a broken overhead bin is reported by the media as “ another Boeing issue”. This Boeing bashing is damaging and appears to be a vendetta against the plane manufacturer and must stop. I am not implying that Boeing should not be held accountable for flagrant breaches in quality manufacturing but I’m against the media attempting to sensationalize any incident as a Boeing shortcoming even when it’s totally unrelated .
What you say makes a good deal of sense. But in a way, the problem is as @12jorge341 says above (even the truth sounds like a lie in the mouth if a liar).
The current problems might not be their fault. But previously they denied and denied and denied problems that were their fault.
Why would we choose to feel 'poor little Boeing' now, when they were so happy to throw Ethopians, not so much under the bus - but into the ground?
So the blowout of a door plug in a one week old 737 is not boeing's fault?
@@tenkloosterhermanyes because it was established the door plug was not secured when it left the factory. And the plane was about 4 months old
If everything is fine in Boeing why do they have whistleblowers? If you want to wipe all problems under a carpet it's up to you but the truth is that Boeing is not what the customers ask for. Anyway in Europe only Ryanair is using Max 8 and they don't call the plane MAX and gave it an 800 numbers... O'Leary is buying only cheap and for him is the Boeing trouble the best situation.....more discounts.
I don't trust these whistle blower anymore why now
The best thing for Boeing rightnnownmight be to get delisted from the stock market and give new management a chance to fix the culture and everything else without the constant pressure to having to deliver ever increasing profit in the qiarterly report.
Not gonna happen just to be clear.
I can think of a few people who won’t be happy to hear this…….but will still insist everything is fine and Airbus have similar problems
Agreed
Some of us, at the very least, follow aviation closely, and there's no denying that Boeing has systemic issues.
However, it's become a hot topic, a great way for click baiters to get clicks. Even if Airbus has any problems, which they actually do, nobody is going to care as long as Boeing is in the news.
Our political landscape basically operates the same way. There are people who don't think that, just because a certain politician repeats the same lies every day, it may actually be true. It is what it is.
Eventually though, some of these allegations will eventually prove to be false, because as much as they keep criticizing these planes, they continue to fly safely. The 777. Really?
@sainnt finally. Found someone who speaks logic, which is you.
Cough cough-Nick Oliver, that silly clunk? Oh wait, Airbus had the identical issue, too. And since when did the A320neo family aircraft experience the same problem as the 737 Max with MCAS, door plugs and sitting idly by on the tarmac for three years internationally? cringe
@@alvinloh9068Oh and tbe silly clunk Alvin since when did an airbus crack and sit on tbe ground for a couple of months yeh cringe for you clunk panels falling off airbus oh yeh that too stay pressed
A wissel blower does not blow the wissel for funn!
No, but I think you should learn how to spell it first !!
English is probably a second language for the person. I sing a tune, but most can not interpret what I am saying. The proclamations emit from my fart whistle.
I'm 70 & have flown in every Boeing jet model & their variants from B707's and up (17, 20, 27, 37, 47, 57, 67 including multiple flights on 777 & 787's).
I don't like 737's, but overall
I'm not worried, and I'm glad whistle blowing happens if there's anything worth considering.
Only in the US, the stock market dictates how a company is building its products.
Capitalism
watching this from an airbus 😌 peace of mind
Love your content and up to date commentary....this one though has a strange re-burbartion in the commentary and the quality of sound is quite odd.
time to buy the stock!
Outstanding presentation
Urhhh. I got a bunch of 787 flight legs coming up in the summer. So should I fly them or not?
If, and obviously it's not something i can prove, but, IF the problems are as wide spread as the whistleblower says they are, it makes sense that things will happen over and over again, right?
It's only a question as to how many incidents the NTSB and FAA will allow to happen before shutting the entire place, and their uninspected products down.
And god forbid that should happen, we all know what that means.
For those using this to justify blaming Boeing for PW4000 issues and the wheel incident, it doesn’t. The wheel incident plane is over 20 years old and the cause of the PW issues is PW
Blamk00 and how many times had that 777 wheel been changed out, off and on the plane??? It was installed correctly the hub failed !!!! Where was it damaged and when ???? and scarebus has hade way more PW engine problems but for some reason DJ does not continuously dwell on that !!
@@wilburfinnigan2142funny how earlier you say “777’s have been in service, never had a structural failure, engine problems from PW and RR”. Yet now you’re saying an engine problem is Airbus’s fault all of a sudden. If I said that engine problems were Boeings fail you’d go ballistic
@@wilburfinnigan2142Engine issues aren't Airbus issues, nor Boeing issues.
Door plugs and criminal conspiracies however are Boeing issues.
And structural issues with 787 and 777 are just the newest issues with Boeing. Even though that topic didn't pop up for the first time.
@@tomstravels520 is that the Nick onion troll’s account again?
@@alvinloh9068no, it’s his brother
The Southwest Airlines business model, which has been copied by a number of competitors, prevents Boeing from making the proper 737 design modifications to take advantage of improvements in engines and avionics. The current corporate culture prevents them from designing a competitive 737 upgrade.
Why has all the whistle blower left Boeing, have they been fired? Could it be a revenge on Boeing, and all media including DJ buy's it without any thoughts. The door plug incident, had nothing to do with the design. As all in aviation understand. Remember the first delivered A380's with cracks in wing beams. That was as a design issue.
Thanks dj!!
ANA needs a livery refresh!
I am a passenger on the 787 regularly but maybe I will find options …
I have a good idea for Bowing ---- abolish wokism in your staffing and see the change.
sounds like the number of accidents is going to grow steeply.
Notice for a long time this DJ guy seems to love reporting about Boeing’s problems.
That’s because there’s a lot to report… don’t blame the reporter for Boeing’s mess!
Why should he not? Boeing worked very hard to go from being the number one aircraft manufacturer to being, at best a distant 2nd to Airbus. It is very clear that Boeing has serious problems with quality of its products. Things keep cropping up. Sounds relevant to me. In another area, Boeing and Space-X received contracts, at roughly the same time, to build a spacecraft, to take astronauts to the ISS. Space-X has been doing so for years now; Boeing's manned spacecraft has yet to launch. Care to explain?
@@georgesteele2157 it’s a systemic problem within Boeing that started since the 90s when they put accountants in charge instead of engineers and put profits before manufacturing quality.
Anyone who doesn’t see it is just ignorant at this point.
Guys! Aviation channel reports an aviation thing that happens a lot!
@briangibson94 It's trouble of their own creation over the last 20 years. The FAA allowed them to self certificate so they are also responsible for Boeing's manufacturing troubles.
I think, most beautiful livery on Earth is the Cathay Pacific Airlines ✈️
The Boeing 777X or the Old 777 never had a issue and i don't want the Boeing 787 to get out of Service.
Bro Cince the first 787 Fly for the first time the Aircraft never had a Issue!
Did you forget the battery problems? Or the suspension of deliveries due to incorrect assembly and inspection
@@tomstravels520 ops Sorry I forgot 😁
@@tomstravels520 Boeing did NOT make the Batteries !!!! DUUUUHHHH!!!! and did the "incorrect assembly" ever fail ???? NO !!! HELL NO !!!! Wheres the PROOF there was a problem ????
@@wilburfinnigan2142correct, Boeing didn’t make the batteries. However it was Boeing that decided to use the new type of battery, it was Boeings engineers who failed to consider and test for worst case failures, and the FAA who failed to recognise the hazard and did not require the proper tests during certification……NTSB report in December 2014. Had they actually tested the battery properly they would have realised how dangerous it was and refused it
Oh so it didn’t fail so that’s fine then. I’m sure the many passengers who flew in seat 25/26A N704AL before Jan 5th are safe in the knowledge that the door plug they were sitting next to all that time didn’t blow and aren’t at all concerned they could have been sucked out of the aircraft.
@@tomstravels520you can crawl out of the rock you've been hiding under.
It's 2024, by the way.
Not 2013.!!!
I can't wait for this nightmare to be over. I'm hoping to wake up and realize that this was all a bad dream.
I don't know what to say
See it through it may be better than what you think it is
Yeah, maybe another criminal conspiracy by Boeing?
Since the merger everything seems possible.
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@@nickolliver3021 Says the silly clunk Nick Onion, which is pressed with a clouded Boeing mind - oh yes, ‘Airbus too’ with a cute 777 panel, fell off the sky upon take off and 787 cracks that may be shattering in mid-air.
@@alvinloh9068 says the silly clunk Alvin onion which is triggered with clouded airbus mind. Oh yes boeibg too with a cute a350 panel fell off the sky upon take off and a330neo cracks thar may shatter mid air
@@nickolliver3021 Your beloved 787 is under investigation by the FAA, sweetie LMFAO says the silly clunky Nick onion, which is triggered with Boeing’s presses. Oh yes Boeing 777 panel fell off the sky upon take off with United Airlines and the 737max cracks that may shattered in mid air! Opppsss
What can expect from the official Boeing hate channel
There problem of the country where 777 and 787 come from.
Boeing needs to sale older new generation 777 737 until newer model mature
This is what happens when" greedy- money- over- everything-else " types end up controlling a company .
You are working so hard to bring down Boeing.
DJ, picking on Boeing not very nice. As it happens Boeing South Carolina, non union, shabby quality.
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So, it's just a matter of time before another catastrophic event(s).
how would you even know
I'm getting sick and tired of all the lies and cover-ups of Boeing.
I would say: Strip this company from ALL it's Board members, (Including Callhoun!), shut down all the factories, and launch a MASSIVE campaign, to get ENGINEERS who, A: Want to be boardmembers, and B: Want to make a translation to the 'OLD'Boeing!! The Boeing that produces QUALITY aircraft and SAFE aircraft again!!!
Boeing can not even prove that they are performing any kind of Quality Assurance.
results will show dont worry
Using Philippine Airlines stock video, yay
greed greed greed,thats usa buisness
Calling all Boeing Boeing Boeing FANBOYS!!!!!
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The 777 never had any issues? The 787 only had one issue so far, I think he’s just saying this to get attention
787 had multiple issues
i think they mean the future 777x.
He is risking to losing his job. so i do not belive that he is lying on this.
787 had so many issues !!!!
Yes but the 777 never had issues, he is just saying that to get attention
Kayak now has a filter that can filter out certain airplane models. It needs to add the age of the plane as another filter. Then we can filter out 737 Max and all Boeing planes more than, say, 10 years old. Frankly, I just fly Airbus. Analysts say that Boeing is too big too fail. Hogwash! Let it fail, go bankrupt, whatever! I would welcome Airbus-Boeing merger followed by firing of all Boeing non-engineers.
mh370?
Go Boeing Go! Show these naysayers who is #1
And he’s dead
where
I buy 747-8,777X,737 max,787
The problem is too many political figures have enormous investment in Boeing. It's never going to stop. The real solution is putting market caps on these super size monopolies, because even how it stands right now if every airline in the world stops orders from Boeing, our economy will crash because they let the Monopoly become too big.
You seem to be glorifying the problems of Boeing every single day whether they are directly to be blamed or not ? Are you being paid by airbus - your views and daily notes only have one motive - you should be fair and unbiased
What bad news is there about Airbus then? And incase you haven’t noticed nearly all news outlets are reporting the same issues. Are you going to tell them the same?
Mejor que regrese el 747😂
Fly Airbus.
fly Boeing
@@nickolliver3021cry harder
@@Eruma_27 you cry harder
Chinese hedge funds keep on 'short'-ing $BA, $NOC, $LMT & $GD. Making multi-millions. Not possible for the Americanos to challenge the Chinese with their massive wealth. FYI, I'm long on all 3 with the exception of $BA. Boeing is worse than having a extremely bad diarrhea
Only airbus fan gals blv thos conspiracy
787max will fix this problem. Wait for it.
Always doom and gloom for Boeing. Airbus can do no wrong. DJ why do you always bring every issue they have had across models in the past in each issue they seem to have. I understand that you do need content, but please try not to be biased. I am a longtime subscriber, but as of late, it’s kind of hard to watch where everything seems to be much more one-sided than the other.
Clearly you haven’t been watching the news recently. And how is it his fault when Airbus have not had their doors falling off due to incorrect assembly procedures
The reason Boeing is constantly in the news for the problems plaguing the manufacturer .... Ask the 348 people who died because Boeing put profit ahead of safety. Seems to me it is earned.
@@tomstravels520so what you seem to dig deep and answer every comment and question of this. He has a point. Why do you have to say its all what it is.
I like how you just had to say doors falling off. So what. Wheels have come off and so on and so on.
@@bobdevreeze4741the whole world runs on profit above safety. But how rude to just say go ask the 348 people!
@@nickolliver3021 it’s called news Nick. You may not like it but it is. A door fell off a brand new plane because it wasn’t bolted in securely at the assembly plant. Is that normal to you? And surely you of all people should know the wheel falling off could be either mechanics at the airport who just changed a tyre or UAL maintenance during last maintenance check, not Boeing.
How many Boeing whistleblowers have been proven wrong?
we shall see if this one is wrong
I suppose we will have to wait until one crashes, and see how many parts it ends up in. Not a good thought, but there is no other way to check, or is there?.
no 787 or 777 will crash
@nickolliver3021 oh boy what confidence
@@deniermurch8693 and you think it will?
@@nickolliver3021 time will tell, must happen sometime, sods law.
@@deniermurch8693 if its pilot error then we dont need to worry but thats just expecting the worst
Al Jezera - A RED FLAG
I will no longer be watching or taking this site as unbiased.
Byeeeeeeeee....