Woah. Factual, detailed, and concise, with no wild speculation, defensivenes, or fanboyism. I legitimately didn't realize a space channel like this existed on UA-cam. Glad to have found you!
Very enjoyable and very much appreciated that a video promising Blue Origin news actually delivers BO news. Most other content providers claim in the title that they will discuss BO, but then 2/3rds of the video is about SpaceX.
@@XCX237 They do plenty, they're just more careful with their tech and avoiding ITAR/leakage issues. Ever notice how a lot of China's "concepts" seem to be based on SpaceX's stuff and not Blue Origin's?
So NG booster is methane-fueled and autogenously pressurized. CSI Starbase did some interesting speculative work on challenges Super Heavy may have experienced with their version of this system. Basically, water vapour is a product of methane combustion, and it would form significant amounts of water ice in the (LOX or methane? Don't remember) tanks, which would sink and clog the engine intakes. This is a problem that would manifest late in the burn. Seemed like a non-trivial issue to address, I wonder what Blue's approach is
Aircraft have a similar problem, except its water in the kerosene (JP1). Fuel lines have a grid-like heater in line that the fuel has to pass through that removes the ice (melts).
The problem super heavy faces is specific to how raptor does autogenous pressurisation not to the process of autogenous pressurisation itself. Super heavy and starship have issues because the liquid oxygen tank gets autogenous pressurisation gas from the liquid oxygen preburner, that gas isn't pure oxygen and contains stuff that freeze att the temperatures in the LOX tank. To not have this issue you can add a heat exchanger before any preburners to get pure oxygen gas without anything that can contaminate the lox tank.
@@johndavid1611 Like if Starship wasn't a new rocket... 😉 I think it's the first IFT of block 2 version. However I don't expect delays because SpaceX doesn't care too much if prototype rockets explode.
If New Glenn is successful, this will be the end of Arianespace. Two VTVL launchers with technology unavailable to Europe engaged in a price war for commercial contracts, powered by two of the world’s richest men. Ariane 6 is finished
Yeah dude, every other non American launch system is finished... Smh. "powered by two of the world’s richest men"... Both psychopaths dunking on the working class and one them being an out and about fu@king Nazi. But I guess you love that, since you have zero class consciousness and no moral compass most cretainly.
Even if New Glenn is successful going forward it won't affect Arianespace which serves the European orbital needs as opposed to Blue Origin which serves needs primarily in the US.
BO using HydroLOX for the second stage really boosts its performance. Very smart using MethaLOX for the 1st stage and the more finicky, but higher performing engines for the higher altitudes toward orbit. It is similar to Von Braun's design decisions for Saturn V, which had a higher payload to space than SLS, even though it has a lower takeoff thrust on the booster.
Yes, it's called "Clipper", which is being developed under the Jarvis program. It's being done simultaneously in conjunction with seeing how cheap they can make an expendable GS2 (second stage) to see which works out better. Jeff Bezos describes this in part 1 of the Tim Dodd Everyday Astronaut tour video of the Blue Origin New Glenn factory.
Will it actually follow its flight plan? I know SpaceX has a completely different process but how can they reasonably expect to complete all of those objectives in the maiden flight?
It wouldn't be that crazy of a feat. The Space Shuttle and Buran both launched and successfully landed on their first attempts. Plus, Blue Origin is already landing New Shepard. We've just all gotten used to Spacex's fast, explosion-heavy development strategy, but most other companies don't operate like that. Also, Falcon 9 had to work out the whacky hoverslam maneuver, which New Glenn won't do.
This is really just how all the pre-Spacex flights were done. Spacex has a very unique methodology, but prior to that the intention was to not launch until absolutely everything was factored in or tested that could be at that stage. They aren't launching an actual Blue Ring, they're gathering data to use for when they do, and they're being as careful as possible so that things go well this time. Chances are, things WILL go well, and it'll allow them to do their testing for Blue Ring at the same time.
Blue Origin Advances. I haven't been this intrigued since I found out my "sister" was adopted. GR8T update! Thank you "The Space Bucket". note: I just realized that the letters in "The Space Bucket", re-arranged also spell "The Best Cupcake". I have no comment. I just wanted to point that out. I'll show myself out now.....
A few years ago I said I thought New Glenn would make it to orbit before Starship. Starship has yet to complete a full orbit so it looks like my prediction will likely be right though the Space X fanantics will beg to differ. An orbit is a trip all the way around Earth, so I will be proven correct if all goes well with New Glenn. I give it about a 90% chance of getting the payload to orbit, 60% chance of getting it into the targeted orbit.
@pakviroti3616 for real. This dude is Cap't Know It All 😂. Starship hasn't TRIED to orbit the Earth, Cap't Oblivious. This rockets gonna explode, FIRST off 😂.
Damn, I guess boohoo for SpaceX, they must be so devastated that Blue Origin will finally have a Falcon Heavy equivalent launch vehicle. How will they possibly compete in the market now that the -checks notes- TWO annual launch falcon-heavy slots are going to to fought over by BO. If only they had a significantly cheaper medium payload rocket that could launch 132 times a year and a super heavy lift rocket project designed to overshadow Falcon heavy in the works.
@@suburbangardenpermaculture3117no… starship hasn’t been allowed to get to orbit. It totally could. But spacex isn’t confident enough. Almost worse than not being able to
They probably learned a few things from watching spacex doing it so many times, so it's not like it has never been done, there's some data they can use
They do have experience landing the Shephard multiple times even if it's a suborbital vehicle that counts a lot. They have a lot of the control part already figured out.
Well they landed their first two rockets on the first try and their third, New Shepard, on the second try. So clearly this is following a fibonaci sequence, and their fourth rocket, New Glenn, will land successfully on its 3rd try.
They're not being 100% honest about why they're using LNG instead of kerosene(or liquefied paraffin wax as Brits would call it). Kerosene cokes up the engines after use and thus they have to be disassembled and cleaned after every launch whereas LNG doesn't require that.
I guarantee you there are going to be a lot of people who deeply misinterpret reality when BO lands the thing on the first try. The traditional rocket design process, followed by the likes of NASA, Boeing, Blue Origin et al, takes so long and costs so much to develop that it has _no choice_ but to succeed every time, including the first. Fortunately, that's exactly the reason why it takes so long and costs so much: they're making sure it _will_ succeed. All of the simulation is done on the ground instead of through tests. In the post-SpaceX world of space exploration, the only reason to do it this way is that you haven't designed your vehicle to be rapidly reiteratable at an affordable pace. Not precisely a knock on BO since there's only one entity that has managed this so far.
That's nonsense. Traditional development does not mean they must succeed every time. The rapid iteration method is hardware rich and fast but also very expensive. I think there are some real flaws in your understanding.
@@imaginary_friend7300 I preempted your suggestion that it was expensive by pointing out that it's only expensive when the rocket is not designed for the iterative process. (Or more specifically, to be cheap to make, so you could realistically craft hundreds of them when the time comes.) I'm hazarding to guess that you are supposing a Starship prototype stack carries a price tag that only SpaceX can sustain, which honestly isn't an unfair guess, given the scope of the vehicle and its intended uses.
@@Asterra2 The iterative process does NOT guarantee that they can be made cheap. That's PURE nonsense. One is slow and steady and at the end you get a vehicle that closely resembles the one they had on paper to start. The iterative process means the testing drives the design which means a lot more test articles and more 2 steps forward one step back. The ONLY advantage tends to be SPEED. In the case of spacex the goal is ALSO speedy and cheap manufacture but it's not in anyway a guaranteed outcome of the process.
@@imaginary_friend7300 I didn't say _the iterative process guarantees an end product that's cheap to manufacture_ though I invite you to quote where I did. I _did_ say the reverse-that designing a vehicle to be cheap to manufacture ensures you have the best chance of affording the iterative process-and, again, you are free to glance up and correct your misapprehension. The other major advantage to the iterative process, by the way, is that you are free to design a vehicle/support infrastructure that are so trailblazing that never mind nobody else daring to try it, the ideas get openly mocked at first. Starship _still_ gets mocked, for example, due to the necessity of orbital refueling, but nobody is willing to admit that anyone who wants to lift 200 tons to another body in space would have arrived at the same obstacle. Iterative design is _the only_ process that truly permits a vehicle of that scope to be designed in anything approaching a reasonable schedule and/or budget.
@@imaginary_friend7300 my dude i dont see where he said using iterative design = the end result is cheap to make. he lit said the opposite lol, making the vehicle cheap = you can use iterative design
Missing the launch date is not a fail, it's just a missed launch date because everything has to go right for launch to happen. And launch delays happen a lot.
@@yaxleader Bingo. However it's important to get footholds in prime locations in both space, and on the moon. Even though there is a world treaty to share space's bounty, we all know that's not at all how it's going to play out. The riches mining areas on the moon, and the asteroid belt are at stake.
@@hawkdsl Bingo to you as well. That treaty is already outdated with violations galore lol. There was 0 way to enforce it from the start besides slaps on the wrist, so it's never actually mattered.
Starship flight 7 will be another suborbital flight test with no payload, while New Glenn will deploy a test payload to orbit on its first flight. So, not really neck and neck, Starship's first orbital flight is still months away, at least.
After working for Amazon for 4 years I deeply hated Jeff. Actually I still do. But I got to the point where the other billionaire space Karen is so much worse that I started paying closer attention to Jeff. Hard to admit... But I have a new rocket I am rooting for.
@@miguellopez3392 Both are... well... tbh, i think every billionaire has to be an aweful person, but you have to look passed that. The same as you can hate an artist but like the music. People need to stop looking at the leader of a company, they have barely anything to do with their products anyway...
@HorsePonyHybrid I've notice a trend of people who hate elon and not knowing how stock valuation works and why his companies give him so much stock. Elon interviewed and hired the first 2000 employee at spacex, which is why spacex is so far ahead of BO and ULA despite having less funding at the start, elon made the right choices in who he wanted in his building. So basically CEOs are very important, its just that many then give their job to their staff and let the company run itself into the ground, that is not elon.
I wonder, if Blue Origin manages to successfully make their first launch, will the Musk fanboys finally quit sneering at them? something tell me they won't.
May I remind you that Falcon9 and Falcon Heavy were both successful on their first launch (when many were proclaiming that lighting 27 engines was impossible), and were both developed for a tiny fraction of the money and time.
@@andrewreynolds9371 It depends on the person doesn't it? It's not like the haters aren't not constantly misrepresenting or outright lying... Any extreme is bad and pretending there is only one side is dishonest. Kinda like how haters are..
@TheEvilmooseofdoom I guess my problem is the tendency of some people to simply accept whatever Elon Musk says as 'gospel', and as such, beyond question. Like his recent claim that he was going to put a Starship on Mars before the end of this year. Starship still hasn't gotten into orbit. No version fitted with landing legs has even flown. SpaceX still hasn't conducted an in-orbit refueling demonstration. No plans have been announced to conduct any sort of simulation of a Mars reentry/landing. I could go on for quite some time, listing all the things that would need to be done before such a mission could reasonably be conducted, and these are things anyone actually paying attention could see....and yet, people are just nodding their heads and acting like this will happen because 'Elon said it will'. I just cannot fathom that level of willful ignorance.
I'm very excited about the upcoming launch. However, we must remember that this rocket has been in development for over eight years, and was a response to Falcon Heavy. Falcon Heavy is about to be made obsolete once Starship's upper stage becomes fully reusable, which may be only a year or so off. Again, I am excited, but this is not real competition for SpaceX. We need something more substantial to compete
@@ericlotze7724”how many people need to cross the Atlantic in just 8 hours, everyone’s been fine taking 2 weeks and it’s cheaper!”, said the ship captain in 1902 when asked about airplanes. Ask yourself how many people cross the Atlantic by boat today. As it turns out, we don’t really know how many launches need a vehicle with more payload than the Falcon heavy because no one has ever really been able to BUY a launch with more payload than a Falcon heavy. Besides, Starship isn’t just carrying more than Falcon heavy, it costs less to launch if they’re reusing the vessel.
How was it a response to falcon heavy? It’s their first orbital rocket. It’s not a response it’s their rocket that they built. That doesn’t even make sense they have never competed with spacex before. New Glenn also has a larger fairing which is a large advantage over falcon heavy.
Rocket Development usually takes nearly a decade. Flacon-9 was developed in 5 years, Vulcan in 10, New Glenn in 8, SLS in 11 (for first flight), Starship is on year 12, etc. BO is very middle of the road here with timelines.
@@yaxleader starship started construction in 2019 and starbase basically didn’t even exist until 2021. If you count years where starship was nothing more than a concept then New Glenn would be as old as Blue Origin itself, 25 years old. New Glenn started actual physical development in about 2016 and fell behind when starship started physical development in 2019 because SpaceX actually had a revenue source from the Falcon series.
@@plainText384 The only thing they haven't done is make it circular. They hit the speed needed it's only a matter of seconds to circularize. I wonder if BO's 2nd stage is going for a full orbit. If they're not planning a deorbit burn they they won't. Going to call that suborbital too? Orbit is a state.
I would have enjoyed this video but I struggled to understand the commentary. Quite a few words I can’t get as you tend to swallow many consonants, speak in bursts and enunciate everything in a rather delicate manner. I’m a native speaker from England.
@@bluesteel8376 true but this is also their first orbital vehicle, falcon 9 during its early days never failed to reach orbit but that was a much smaller vehicle
Hope all goes well for BO, the more launchers the better!🚀🚀👍👍
is it tho?
I wish all success to Blue Origin and that all goes well.
Woah. Factual, detailed, and concise, with no wild speculation, defensivenes, or fanboyism. I legitimately didn't realize a space channel like this existed on UA-cam. Glad to have found you!
Very enjoyable and very much appreciated that a video promising Blue Origin news actually delivers BO news. Most other content providers claim in the title that they will discuss BO, but then 2/3rds of the video is about SpaceX.
Right? Super annoying.
Nicely said
There's not usually much blue origin. To cover as they really don't do much and are not as open as SpaceX
@@XCX237 They do plenty, they're just more careful with their tech and avoiding ITAR/leakage issues. Ever notice how a lot of China's "concepts" seem to be based on SpaceX's stuff and not Blue Origin's?
@@schrodingersjet1043 China wants to copy the better stuff. Bo gas nothing new
This is my new favorite spaceflight channel. Factual based content no unrealistic foreshadowing. Nicely done
Monotone to me
Nice to see a new episode, greatly appreciate this, always in a format which I most enjoy. Great Job!
Thanks. The most concise space channel by far
Yes! Finally. A no Hype Zone! ⭐
Imagine if starship's IFT-7 and new gleen's inaugural flight happens in the same day. That will be a loooot going on in a single day! Hyped
Only if the New Glenn launch is delayed could that happen because New Glenn is scheduled on Jan. 6 and starship flight 7 is scheduled Jan. 10.
@@michaeldeierhoi4096now it's scheduled for 8th January, New Glenn is.
From New Zealand - best of luck for Blue Origin's launch!
I've seen their lunar lander too - it looks awesome!
Very sleek-looking!
So Excited! I’ve been waiting for this day for so long!
Thanks Bucket! should be exciting none the less.
So NG booster is methane-fueled and autogenously pressurized. CSI Starbase did some interesting speculative work on challenges Super Heavy may have experienced with their version of this system. Basically, water vapour is a product of methane combustion, and it would form significant amounts of water ice in the (LOX or methane? Don't remember) tanks, which would sink and clog the engine intakes. This is a problem that would manifest late in the burn. Seemed like a non-trivial issue to address, I wonder what Blue's approach is
Aircraft have a similar problem, except its water in the kerosene (JP1). Fuel lines have a grid-like heater in line that the fuel has to pass through that removes the ice (melts).
@@hawkdsl This is totally applicable, since all jet aircraft utilize autogenous pressurization!
I'm curious how the BE4 being an Ox rich closed cycle engine compared to full flow staged combustion on raptor might have an affect on that too
@@hawkdsl Sadly that's a method they can't employ hence the extra filtration.
The problem super heavy faces is specific to how raptor does autogenous pressurisation not to the process of autogenous pressurisation itself. Super heavy and starship have issues because the liquid oxygen tank gets autogenous pressurisation gas from the liquid oxygen preburner, that gas isn't pure oxygen and contains stuff that freeze att the temperatures in the LOX tank. To not have this issue you can add a heat exchanger before any preburners to get pure oxygen gas without anything that can contaminate the lox tank.
I wonder between Blue Glenn's & Starship's planned launch dates of 5th & 10th which will happen first.
Most likely Starship. New rockets have plenty of delays, so there's a decent chance it may be delayed.
@@johndavid1611 Like if Starship wasn't a new rocket... 😉
I think it's the first IFT of block 2 version.
However I don't expect delays because SpaceX doesn't care too much if prototype rockets explode.
I don't care. I want them both to launch safely, carry out a successful mission, and land safely.
Space 🌌 Bucket 🪣 FTW! 🙌
Happy New Year!
I hope they build a human capsule for New Glen like they do for New Shepard, it would be great for people to orbit the planet...
I hope New Glen and Starship IFT-7 are NOT on the same day, they may push the earth out of orbit...
Thank you for covering this! I hope this launch goes without a hitch as another reusable provider would be great.
If New Glenn is successful, this will be the end of Arianespace. Two VTVL launchers with technology unavailable to Europe engaged in a price war for commercial contracts, powered by two of the world’s richest men.
Ariane 6 is finished
Yeah dude, every other non American launch system is finished... Smh.
"powered by two of the world’s richest men"... Both psychopaths dunking on the working class and one them being an out and about fu@king Nazi. But I guess you love that, since you have zero class consciousness and no moral compass most cretainly.
Hopefully Rocket Lab is successful. That way more rockets can fly at a faster cadence than Blue Origin.
Even if New Glenn is successful going forward it won't affect Arianespace which serves the European orbital needs as opposed to Blue Origin which serves needs primarily in the US.
Can't wait!!
BO using HydroLOX for the second stage really boosts its performance. Very smart using MethaLOX for the 1st stage and the more finicky, but higher performing engines for the higher altitudes toward orbit. It is similar to Von Braun's design decisions for Saturn V, which had a higher payload to space than SLS, even though it has a lower takeoff thrust on the booster.
Good luck to them, sometimes do or die is not the best thing for business.
Does Blue Origin have plans for a reusable second stage?
Yes, I think it's along the lines of Stoke Space's second stage.
Yes, it's called "Clipper", which is being developed under the Jarvis program. It's being done simultaneously in conjunction with seeing how cheap they can make an expendable GS2 (second stage) to see which works out better. Jeff Bezos describes this in part 1 of the Tim Dodd Everyday Astronaut tour video of the Blue Origin New Glenn factory.
@@Nowhereman10 thanks for the info!
..but will they stream the video like SpaceX does ?
They generally do stream new Shepard launches so I'd assume so but I guess we'll see
Hopefully they, unlike SpaceX, stream on YT.
No doubt NasaSpaceflightNow will stream it, they have excellent coverage and are more fun to watch.
Things just got a lot more real with the tug Harvey Stone with LPV-1 Jacklyn tow departing Port Canaveral for a position in the Atlantic.
Will it actually follow its flight plan? I know SpaceX has a completely different process but how can they reasonably expect to complete all of those objectives in the maiden flight?
Outside of their recovery plans they're not doing anything that ambitious. If something does go wrong then the range safety will kick in.
It wouldn't be that crazy of a feat. The Space Shuttle and Buran both launched and successfully landed on their first attempts. Plus, Blue Origin is already landing New Shepard.
We've just all gotten used to Spacex's fast, explosion-heavy development strategy, but most other companies don't operate like that.
Also, Falcon 9 had to work out the whacky hoverslam maneuver, which New Glenn won't do.
This is really just how all the pre-Spacex flights were done. Spacex has a very unique methodology, but prior to that the intention was to not launch until absolutely everything was factored in or tested that could be at that stage.
They aren't launching an actual Blue Ring, they're gathering data to use for when they do, and they're being as careful as possible so that things go well this time. Chances are, things WILL go well, and it'll allow them to do their testing for Blue Ring at the same time.
Thanks Man!
Blue Origin Advances. I haven't been this intrigued since I found out my "sister" was adopted. GR8T update! Thank you "The Space Bucket". note: I just realized that the letters in "The Space Bucket", re-arranged also spell "The Best Cupcake". I have no comment. I just wanted to point that out. I'll show myself out now.....
To infinity and beyond!
You should go into hiding... Having broken the code, and reviled this illuminati secret, has put yourself in grave danger!
My neighbor who works at Blue said the 5th👍👍
A few years ago I said I thought New Glenn would make it to orbit before Starship.
Starship has yet to complete a full orbit so it looks like my prediction will likely be right though the Space X fanantics will beg to differ.
An orbit is a trip all the way around Earth, so I will be proven correct if all goes well with New Glenn.
I give it about a 90% chance of getting the payload to orbit, 60% chance of getting it into the targeted orbit.
What do you want? A cookie?
@pakviroti3616 for real. This dude is Cap't Know It All 😂.
Starship hasn't TRIED to orbit the Earth, Cap't Oblivious.
This rockets gonna explode, FIRST off 😂.
Damn, I guess boohoo for SpaceX, they must be so devastated that Blue Origin will finally have a Falcon Heavy equivalent launch vehicle.
How will they possibly compete in the market now that the -checks notes- TWO annual launch falcon-heavy slots are going to to fought over by BO.
If only they had a significantly cheaper medium payload rocket that could launch 132 times a year and a super heavy lift rocket project designed to overshadow Falcon heavy in the works.
@@suburbangardenpermaculture3117no… starship hasn’t been allowed to get to orbit. It totally could. But spacex isn’t confident enough. Almost worse than not being able to
@mattkingston6157 They don't care about orbit currently. They were/are working specifically on reentry and that doesn't require an orbit.
7:32 is that Chris Sembroski from Inspiration4?
Yep, he works for Blue Origin nowadays
The competition is great.
Blorrojin?
It's bad AI
Yeay your back
"Blue Origin’s New Glenn Now Has A Set Launch Date" Anyone wanna bet it will change?
X in thor shape
MAKE #DEEP SPACE VERSION !!!!!!!!!
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A launch date ... Again!
They are dreaming if they think they can land on a drone ship 1st attempt..
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED It should be InTeReStiNg Mr.T
It is kind of concerning that it needs to be attached to a umbilical on landing
They probably learned a few things from watching spacex doing it so many times, so it's not like it has never been done, there's some data they can use
They do have experience landing the Shephard multiple times even if it's a suborbital vehicle that counts a lot.
They have a lot of the control part already figured out.
@@queenslayerthefifth1771 Agree! Fundamentals are fundamental. I just hope they remember to account for the weight differences
New Glenn may ACTUALLY get off the ground! Can old Blue land on the first try, or die like ole yeller. Oh, the crying, maybe…
Oh, it'll get off the ground, the BE-4s are more than proven enough to get it up, coming down is the struggle.
Well they landed their first two rockets on the first try and their third, New Shepard, on the second try. So clearly this is following a fibonaci sequence, and their fourth rocket, New Glenn, will land successfully on its 3rd try.
They're not being 100% honest about why they're using LNG instead of kerosene(or liquefied paraffin wax as Brits would call it). Kerosene cokes up the engines after use and thus they have to be disassembled and cleaned after every launch whereas LNG doesn't require that.
Simply not true.
First flights:
2022: SLS
2023: Starship/SuperHeavy
2024: Vulcan, Ariane 6
2025: New Glenn
????: Neutron, Terran R, RFA One, many others...
First successful flight to orbit or beyond:
2022: SLS Block 1
2023: Firefly's Alpha
2024: Vulcan Centaur, Ariane 6
2025: NewGlenn?, Starship?
到底還要搞多久，spsceX都要去moon了.
Yay! SB is back! I know it'd suck for BO but wouldn't it be cool to see the booster just slam through the deck of the landing ship? :P
No and besides it would explode on impact anyway and not go through the drone deck. Just because you can imagine it doesn't mean it could happen!?
@@michaeldeierhoi4096 fun either way, but not for BO
I guarantee you there are going to be a lot of people who deeply misinterpret reality when BO lands the thing on the first try. The traditional rocket design process, followed by the likes of NASA, Boeing, Blue Origin et al, takes so long and costs so much to develop that it has _no choice_ but to succeed every time, including the first. Fortunately, that's exactly the reason why it takes so long and costs so much: they're making sure it _will_ succeed. All of the simulation is done on the ground instead of through tests. In the post-SpaceX world of space exploration, the only reason to do it this way is that you haven't designed your vehicle to be rapidly reiteratable at an affordable pace. Not precisely a knock on BO since there's only one entity that has managed this so far.
That's nonsense. Traditional development does not mean they must succeed every time. The rapid iteration method is hardware rich and fast but also very expensive. I think there are some real flaws in your understanding.
@@imaginary_friend7300 I preempted your suggestion that it was expensive by pointing out that it's only expensive when the rocket is not designed for the iterative process. (Or more specifically, to be cheap to make, so you could realistically craft hundreds of them when the time comes.) I'm hazarding to guess that you are supposing a Starship prototype stack carries a price tag that only SpaceX can sustain, which honestly isn't an unfair guess, given the scope of the vehicle and its intended uses.
@@Asterra2 The iterative process does NOT guarantee that they can be made cheap. That's PURE nonsense. One is slow and steady and at the end you get a vehicle that closely resembles the one they had on paper to start. The iterative process means the testing drives the design which means a lot more test articles and more 2 steps forward one step back. The ONLY advantage tends to be SPEED. In the case of spacex the goal is ALSO speedy and cheap manufacture but it's not in anyway a guaranteed outcome of the process.
@@imaginary_friend7300 I didn't say _the iterative process guarantees an end product that's cheap to manufacture_ though I invite you to quote where I did. I _did_ say the reverse-that designing a vehicle to be cheap to manufacture ensures you have the best chance of affording the iterative process-and, again, you are free to glance up and correct your misapprehension.
The other major advantage to the iterative process, by the way, is that you are free to design a vehicle/support infrastructure that are so trailblazing that never mind nobody else daring to try it, the ideas get openly mocked at first. Starship _still_ gets mocked, for example, due to the necessity of orbital refueling, but nobody is willing to admit that anyone who wants to lift 200 tons to another body in space would have arrived at the same obstacle. Iterative design is _the only_ process that truly permits a vehicle of that scope to be designed in anything approaching a reasonable schedule and/or budget.
@@imaginary_friend7300 my dude i dont see where he said using iterative design = the end result is cheap to make. he lit said the opposite lol, making the vehicle cheap = you can use iterative design
I got $50 that says it gets delayed again.
I got 50$ thst they don't accomplish 50% of their goals, and I suspect s full blown Loss Of Rocket, honestly 😂
I got a million on both of you having SpaceX pom poms, and matching mini-skirt cheerleader outfits.
@@hawkdsl I wouldn't take that bet.. Blind fandom is as bad as blind haters.
@@imaginary_friend7300 it's fun for us because it's so low imput and such utter Outrage in return to fuck with these animals 🤣
@@suburbangardenpermaculture3117 i bet its fun fo you guys since you have nothing else to do besides to waiting on a delayed launch.
Bet BO is a fail either in attempt date or actual flight 😎
Missing the launch date is not a fail, it's just a missed launch date because everything has to go right for launch to happen. And launch delays happen a lot.
January 6 (late 5) or January 7
Per Nasa Space Flight, as of today, 1-1-25, New Glens launch window is set for Sunday, Jan 5th 11:30pm-2:45am Jan 6th EST.
The biggest surprise is that the payload is going to be a bound and gagged Elon Musk.
Bezos and Musk should work together!
It's very possible that China may beat both Space X and NASA to the moon!
Together we stand divided we fall!
@@anthonybellmunt3103 Not a chance, China's program is quite a ways behind the U.S. They just like to posture like they're about to catch up.
@@yaxleader Bingo. However it's important to get footholds in prime locations in both space, and on the moon. Even though there is a world treaty to share space's bounty, we all know that's not at all how it's going to play out. The riches mining areas on the moon, and the asteroid belt are at stake.
@@hawkdsl Bingo to you as well. That treaty is already outdated with violations galore lol. There was 0 way to enforce it from the start besides slaps on the wrist, so it's never actually mattered.
@@yaxleader Very true.
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New Glenn has only 8 days left to beat out starships FT 7 ! The race is on !!!
Beat out? Race? What race?
Starship flight 7 will be another suborbital flight test with no payload, while New Glenn will deploy a test payload to orbit on its first flight. So, not really neck and neck, Starship's first orbital flight is still months away, at least.
You can't compare the flight of a system that is at the end of development and mission ready to a system that is IN development and NOT mission ready.
After working for Amazon for 4 years I deeply hated Jeff. Actually I still do. But I got to the point where the other billionaire space Karen is so much worse that I started paying closer attention to Jeff. Hard to admit... But I have a new rocket I am rooting for.
lol space Keren? jeff literally sued elon over the idea of self landing rockets, brain rot is strong in you if you think elon is worse.
@@miguellopez3392 Both are... well... tbh, i think every billionaire has to be an aweful person, but you have to look passed that.
The same as you can hate an artist but like the music.
People need to stop looking at the leader of a company, they have barely anything to do with their products anyway...
Jeff at least has made sure his ground crews have bottles to piss in. I hope.
@@miguellopez3392 Haters are usually low on the intelligence AND honesty scale.
@HorsePonyHybrid I've notice a trend of people who hate elon and not knowing how stock valuation works and why his companies give him so much stock.
Elon interviewed and hired the first 2000 employee at spacex, which is why spacex is so far ahead of BO and ULA despite having less funding at the start, elon made the right choices in who he wanted in his building. So basically CEOs are very important, its just that many then give their job to their staff and let the company run itself into the ground, that is not elon.
I wonder, if Blue Origin manages to successfully make their first launch, will the Musk fanboys finally quit sneering at them?
something tell me they won't.
May I remind you that Falcon9 and Falcon Heavy were both successful on their first launch (when many were proclaiming that lighting 27 engines was impossible), and were both developed for a tiny fraction of the money and time.
@@admarsandbeyond Spacex only made orbit on their 3rd try. They built on that success. I think BO will be fine going up.
@@admarsandbeyond so, I take it I was right, and the Musk fanboys won't be congratulating Blue Origin?
why am I not amazed?
@@andrewreynolds9371 It depends on the person doesn't it? It's not like the haters aren't not constantly misrepresenting or outright lying... Any extreme is bad and pretending there is only one side is dishonest. Kinda like how haters are..
@TheEvilmooseofdoom I guess my problem is the tendency of some people to simply accept whatever Elon Musk says as 'gospel', and as such, beyond question. Like his recent claim that he was going to put a Starship on Mars before the end of this year. Starship still hasn't gotten into orbit. No version fitted with landing legs has even flown. SpaceX still hasn't conducted an in-orbit refueling demonstration. No plans have been announced to conduct any sort of simulation of a Mars reentry/landing. I could go on for quite some time, listing all the things that would need to be done before such a mission could reasonably be conducted, and these are things anyone actually paying attention could see....and yet, people are just nodding their heads and acting like this will happen because 'Elon said it will'. I just cannot fathom that level of willful ignorance.
Wishing Jeff Bezos all the success 🙏🙏🙏 Blue Origin.
Another launch???????? Hahahaha!
GS-1? What is GS-1? GS-2? You have to spell it out at least once.
Glenn Stage 1 and Glenn Stage 2. BO's naming for the 1st and 2nd stages
I'm very excited about the upcoming launch. However, we must remember that this rocket has been in development for over eight years, and was a response to Falcon Heavy. Falcon Heavy is about to be made obsolete once Starship's upper stage becomes fully reusable, which may be only a year or so off. Again, I am excited, but this is not real competition for SpaceX. We need something more substantial to compete
How many launches need more than a falcon heavy?
@@ericlotze7724”how many people need to cross the Atlantic in just 8 hours, everyone’s been fine taking 2 weeks and it’s cheaper!”, said the ship captain in 1902 when asked about airplanes.
Ask yourself how many people cross the Atlantic by boat today.
As it turns out, we don’t really know how many launches need a vehicle with more payload than the Falcon heavy because no one has ever really been able to BUY a launch with more payload than a Falcon heavy.
Besides, Starship isn’t just carrying more than Falcon heavy, it costs less to launch if they’re reusing the vessel.
How was it a response to falcon heavy? It’s their first orbital rocket. It’s not a response it’s their rocket that they built. That doesn’t even make sense they have never competed with spacex before. New Glenn also has a larger fairing which is a large advantage over falcon heavy.
Rocket Development usually takes nearly a decade. Flacon-9 was developed in 5 years, Vulcan in 10, New Glenn in 8, SLS in 11 (for first flight), Starship is on year 12, etc. BO is very middle of the road here with timelines.
@@yaxleader starship started construction in 2019 and starbase basically didn’t even exist until 2021. If you count years where starship was nothing more than a concept then New Glenn would be as old as Blue Origin itself, 25 years old. New Glenn started actual physical development in about 2016 and fell behind when starship started physical development in 2019 because SpaceX actually had a revenue source from the Falcon series.
Imagine it beats starship to orbit lol ahahah first try, i bet
Starship has been to orbit, just not a circular one and I'm not sure BO has plans to do that either.
@@imaginary_friend7300Starship has not been to orbit. They've been close, but so far they've only flown on suborbital trajectories.
With a useful payload.
@@TommySaucierPlourde0 Like Scott Manley said, Starship flights were orbital and the only people questioning it are some weird anti-spacex guys.
@@plainText384 The only thing they haven't done is make it circular. They hit the speed needed it's only a matter of seconds to circularize. I wonder if BO's 2nd stage is going for a full orbit. If they're not planning a deorbit burn they they won't. Going to call that suborbital too? Orbit is a state.
I would have enjoyed this video but I struggled to understand the commentary. Quite a few words I can’t get as you tend to swallow many consonants, speak in bursts and enunciate everything in a rather delicate manner. I’m a native speaker from England.
Sounds like a you problem.
@ I doubt it, I never have a problem with Marcus House, Ellie and many others.
I don't think the AI generated voice is at all offended by your comment.
@@blairjohnson8751 Is it AI ?
@@blairjohnson8751That is not an AI voice. His pronunciation of certain technical and other terms is too good for AI.
Hahahah!!! The only thing that's been to FAKE SPACE is your IMAGINATION!!!
Just for that comment I'm reporting you to UA-cam!!
What a farce, you watch they will miss that date. This is hype to get more money from investors. Same crap over and over.
Bezos gives BO a billion a year of his own money. Their OK.
When was the last funding round done by BO? How much are they asking for? Can you answer any of those questions? Or are you lying?
@@imaginary_friend7300 He is clearly a troll. Trolls define themselves by how much they attack and criticize in society. It's kind of sad actually.
50/50 it actually gets to orbit
I think the odds are much much better than that. They aren't like Spacex rushing out test vehicles.
@@bluesteel8376 true but this is also their first orbital vehicle, falcon 9 during its early days never failed to reach orbit but that was a much smaller vehicle
So you could say that you were right in both counts 😅
I think it will be much higher than 50/50. They have plenty of feedback from the BE-4 engines with the 2 Vulcan Flight's.
@@bluesteel8376yep only took em 20 years if they hit orbit