When the host organism finally has enough and picks up and leaves, the parasites are left with no sustainable food source and at that point will feed off of each other and the relics the host organism leaved behind until there is noting else left.
It's funny how we find old ruins from past civilizations and ponder about why anyone would leave such a great looking place but we have abandonded palaces in our own time and don't ask the same questions.
Ah yes, Robert Moses. Read about him in school. Where can you NOT walk or drive with out running into something he did in NYC & Long Island. He had the vision and the backing. Though if Jane Jacobs were here today she would have something different to say. As bad as the Cross Bronx is when I use it, I'm so glad he built it. I think Bloomberg has a little RM in him.
You can tell these pictures are over 10 years old, there is still metal objects in these pictures. Today you will not find old ovens lockers, even the metal stack on the train station is gone.
SAFE! Satch you nailed it! That's why NYC survives and doesn't fold. 80's:Scary, 90's: turned it around, 00's: So safe a white guy can even walk in Harlem! Now where do you think business will want to go, NYC or Detroit?
New York City and Chicago acheived the majority of THEIR renaissance with private investment; people are willing to make such investment if they know that they're not going to mugged, assaulted and their apartments broken in to. There is much to be said for Urban Life; these are the reasons great cities grew in the first place. Keep people safe, and they will come.
The amount of time and energy involved on vandalizing all this property is quite considerable, yet the same people that spend all their time lugging sledge hammers up 35 flights to wreak havoc, can't seem to find the same time and energy TO GO TO WORK EVERYDAY!! And what's worse is that the political leadership of Detroit supports and justifies all this!
It is just so hard to take in the fact that this was once a bustling city. I remember when I visited Detroit. It had somehwhat of an errie feeling to it, you see the bitterness in some of the people's faces and the amount of derelict buildings was beyond belief. At this point in time Detroit seems too far gone in the wrong direction and will never escape this vicious cycle of downfalling. The only good thing I can say about Detroit right now is that the traffic is good since its underpopulated.
I wanna live there. I'd set up in the train station. Tear most the houses down around it. I'd have a twenty thousand square foot studio. I'd pay all the gangsters to work for me.
Some people from CCS presented a proposal for the revitalization of the train station several years ago, but the old guy who owns it (and who owns most of Mexican Town) refuses to do anything with it. So sad. Now the "train station" is just a little trailer next to the building. :(
The average home in Detroit is now worth only $18,000. If it's destroyed by fire or whatever, it doesn't even pay to repair; just tear it down and move somewhere else.
3dsmaxuser7-- Implicit in renovation and restoration is that there would ultimately be an economic viability behind it, whether commercial or even subsidized by taxpayers. There is no viability here; the electorate of Detroit (who willfully created this ruins), of Michigan and the USA have all spoken.
@25Doesntmatter the list of problems is complex. The short and narrow is the hollowing of american industry to 3rd world countries for reduced labor costs. There are other significant factors attributed to social dysfunction as illustrated in the race riots circa 1967. The domestic industries got driven away from both competitive forces, complacency and poor national economic strategies. I could go on.....
The main reason for the destruction of Detroit is the fact that it was run by "Super-Liberal" politicians. Indeed, all the factors that made Detroit such a desirable location still all exist. When you have Super Liberal Politicians that make every kind of excuse for every kind of human failure (such as crime and "social promotion" in schools), this is clearly what you wind up with! Compare Detroit's crime rate to that of Chicago and New York City; there is no comparison!
As Jerry Doyle says, think of the I-495 loop around DC as a gated community. And when you pass through that gate into DC, throw all logic out the window. BTW: did you know Shiela Jackson Lee is running Homeland Security? Scary, isn't it.
It's what happens when people, who build up a city and have pride in what they worked for, suddenly outsource their work to make an extra temporary dollar or just take the job with them to the suburbs further eroding the city's tax base and leaving a shell of a city . Yeah, make it a race issue or blame it on white flight but the one thing that made this city grand is, oddly, one of the things that led to it's demise. The Automobile.
Don't you just love the free enterprise system. Example: Mr. Henry builds a car company then becomes a multi-millionaire. Pass it to his son and his son bring on investors and they become a billionaire. Investors get greedy and hire some geek penny pinching accountants. They start slashing workforce and benefits. Then start outsourcing jobs. Now they're muti-billionaires. Now the same people you put out of a job are the ones you expect to buy the cars you produce elsewhere. Kinda crazy u think!!
puck30-- First of all, I must tell you that NYC, starting during WWII, had a formal policy of getting rid of its manufacturing base to turn NYC into a "white collar ONLY" town. This was an easy thing to do, as the average factory in this city was only about 10 people. (Read: "The New York Approach: Robert Moses, Urban Liberals, and Redevelopment of the Inner City" by Joel Schwartz.)
I LOVE MICHIGAN CENTRAL STATION. It's sad to see all of these abandoned buildings around the city and it's an interesting feeling being inside them.. to me at least.
This is what happens when those who are left do not raise children and politicians with any expectations and desire only short term benefits to themselves. Enjoy the results while those who stick to the concept of greater good through self sacrifice move to more receptive locations where those contributions won't be wasted.
@Vengeance4Me79 _____It's the food--the cost of nutritious foods versus the cost of junk food. In America, farmers are given a subsidy for growing high-carb foods, corn-starch and the like. All of those extra carbs go into potato chips (crisps), soda-pop and other nonsense. Meanwhile, the cost of meat goes up. Junk food is a LOT cheaper than fresh foods. Poor folks can't afford fresh fruit, raw meats and the like. When a pound of potato chips is cheaper than an apple...
god it looks like a war zone whole area should be turned into a wild life refuge all these old factory sites must have significant ground contamination looks like nothing has been properly mothballed and cleaned up
Only part of it. A string of shitty mayors and complete complacency, plus a totally ignorant, welfare-dependent population destroyed it. Remember it as it once was: the third largest city in the nation - a majestic, blossomed accomplishment that could challenge San Francisco in beauty and New York City in economic achievement.
Unprofitable businesses can not exist for long. Do you think that progressive, "redistribute the wealth" government policies had something to do with it?
Something that has really confused me is how some black people say "stereotypes aren't true" and all of that talk, but they just go right ahead and fit those stereotypes. Why is that?
It's easy to blame the black poeple for all the troubles. The problem is; the economical system treats poeple more and more like machines. It's all about profit, profit for the ceo's and the shareholders. Cut back loans, employ fewer and fewer poeple. Government makes tax-brakes for large companies etc etc. In America some poeple need to work 2 or 3 jobs just to get food on the table. Don't you see anything substantially wrong there? It's not about the poeple, it's about the profit.
Where have you seen bad places in Warsaw? And please, don't say anything about Praga district. It is a bit devastated, that's true, but this process have been stopped now. And also there aren't any slums abandoned skyscrapers, buildings devastated by riots, etc. Only abandoned buildings are these which were destroyed during WW2 and not rebuilt after it (not many) and some state industries closed down after transformations in 90. (also not many and often reused for other purposes).
I followed the elections closely, and i noticed this too. I was asthonised, is this really the way poeple look at the EU? There are a lot of rich poeple that can buy veyron's and such, and luxembourg has the highest GDP in the world. I think income-difference must exist to motivate poeple. But i also think nobody has to work 3 jobs just to get food on the table and a roof above their head. A few days ago i read that 10% of the US population uses food stamps.. in such a rich country!
I can't speak for Warsaw or Eastern Europe in general, but I am English and there is not (yet) a single corner of the country that is anything like as dangerous as Detroit.
No, the American economical system is based on wasting and making as much profit as possible for the richest of poeple. If you should blame a group of poeple, it should be the CEO's of financials and the carcompanies.
@25Doesntmatter I ask the same thing. What happenned? Socialist policies forced on a capitolist coutry. I mourn for the future as social progess advances in what used to be the most productive city in the US. We used to say "if it is good for GM it is good for the US" I guess the welfare mentality and big unions were not so good for General Motors.
@bulletman100 They move overseas because they need capital to survive. A corporations prime function is the creation of capital, or really, the keeping of capital. This is the problem with capitalism. It has made us all put capital before people.
Poor people are fat because low-quality, high-fat food is cheap but high-quality food that nourishes the body is expensive. If you ate nothing but government cheese and Mickey Ds you'd be fat before long.
Oh in a perfect world. Capitalism, as you've seen from this video, causes too many problems. For instance, if you don't have unions, the workers will be mistreated, however, if you do have unions, you have the problem of the unions asking for too much. Another example, if you have absolutely no regulation, people will be hurt or exploited in some way (See pre-Teddy Roosevelt market), however, if you do have regulation, you have the problem of it stopping capital from being made.
Well, I couldn't disagree, that in many cases unions have been good, but really, in Detroit it has fucked everything up, everything good has it's borders.
Yes I do but, Isn't the head of Homeland being held up in conformation?(so while their is nobody in the front office) oh well. Does it matter? Soon we will probably have a Homeland Security Czar and he will trump everybody but Obama.
@Porkykls123 Detroit is a city that is part of Michigan and part of America. John Engler was governor for 12 years. Michigan had other republican governors over the past 50 years. Republicans have controlled MI's legislature on and off over the years. Most of the presidents over the past 40 years have been republican. It is inaccurate to place all the blame on democrats. besides, why would a city that is mostly black have a republican mayor anyway?
But I can (because I live in Warsaw) and it isn't truth that it is dangerous. Of course, you can be robbed or something, but this possibility exists all around the world.
@chrisman714368 McCain couldn't have done any worse that's for sure! I liked MITT ROMNEY best anyway. Great businessman, good family man, and had a lot of experience which OBAMA lacks.
SatchmoSings: "I fail to see the UAW's role in this; try the political leadership. " You are changing the direction of the 'argument' or dicusssion. Maybe you are reading someone else's comments and not mine. I have not said anything one way or the other about political leadership. Do you want to address the subject of 'politcal leadership'? Do you? Or just grandstand and make strawman arguments and call people trolls? . . .
@Vengeance4Me79 Poor people usually only eat high carbs high sugar foods. A lot of them don't know how to cook or don't know better. This is a result of massive entitlement programs and a nanny state.
...and the ideologies that enabled them in destroying it.... The photos mesh with the Toroidh seamlessly. Kudos.
oml this was posted when i was born lol! keep up with the good work!!!!!!
good video i
beautiful photography!! Very sad of course. I can imagine at one time thier was alot of life and activity in these buildings.
Excellent shots! Did you take them? Most of those shots are... beautiful! Your framing is excellent!
@bjch1010
Bing is probably the best I've seen thus far. He seems to have a genuine interest in improving the city but there is so much needed.
Best Detroit Decay video yet!
When the host organism finally has enough and picks up and leaves, the parasites are left with no sustainable food source and at that point will feed off of each other and the relics the host organism leaved behind until there is noting else left.
It's funny how we find old ruins from past civilizations and ponder about why anyone would leave such a great looking place but we have abandonded palaces in our own time and don't ask the same questions.
This is a good video, but I live in Detroit and I love my city. We all should get proactive in restoring this beautiful city.
Thank you UAW!!!
i love how it looks i know its sad but i would love to go do some urban exploration there
Yep, I remember when Soulman Young said that.
Ah yes, Robert Moses. Read about him in school. Where can you NOT walk or drive with out running into something he did in NYC & Long Island. He had the vision and the backing. Though if Jane Jacobs were here today she would have something different to say. As bad as the Cross Bronx is when I use it, I'm so glad he built it. I think Bloomberg has a little RM in him.
You can tell these pictures are over 10 years old, there is still metal objects in these pictures. Today you will not find old ovens lockers, even the metal stack on the train station is gone.
SAFE! Satch you nailed it! That's why NYC survives and doesn't fold.
80's:Scary, 90's: turned it around, 00's: So safe a white guy can even walk in Harlem! Now where do you think business will want to go, NYC or Detroit?
New York City and Chicago acheived the majority of THEIR renaissance with private investment; people are willing to make such investment if they know that they're not going to mugged, assaulted and their apartments broken in to.
There is much to be said for Urban Life; these are the reasons great cities grew in the first place. Keep people safe, and they will come.
The amount of time and energy involved on vandalizing all this property is quite considerable, yet the same people that spend all their time lugging sledge hammers up 35 flights to wreak havoc, can't seem to find the same time and energy TO GO TO WORK EVERYDAY!!
And what's worse is that the political leadership of Detroit supports and justifies all this!
It is just so hard to take in the fact that this was once a bustling city. I remember when I visited Detroit. It had somehwhat of an errie feeling to it, you see the bitterness in some of the people's faces and the amount of derelict buildings was beyond belief. At this point in time Detroit seems too far gone in the wrong direction and will never escape this vicious cycle of downfalling. The only good thing I can say about Detroit right now is that the traffic is good since its underpopulated.
I wanna live there. I'd set up in the train station. Tear most the houses down around it. I'd have a twenty thousand square foot studio. I'd pay all the gangsters to work for me.
Sad and scary like the film I am Legend.
Some people from CCS presented a proposal for the revitalization of the train station several years ago, but the old guy who owns it (and who owns most of Mexican Town) refuses to do anything with it. So sad. Now the "train station" is just a little trailer next to the building. :(
There was acouple of buildings I just loved in this vid that should be saved!!! One of them was at 0:34.
i saw a super mutant
Look at it another way: all the iron can sell on Metal, and the building dismantled and the bricks are sold, too.
Tata you coming out with any new disco records?
Whose fault? Outsourcing auto manufacturers, real estate speculators, predatory loan brokers... There's plenty of blame to go around.
Bloomberg has more than a little RM in him in the way he deals with real-estate developement in the City.
I thought dynamite was cheaper than drugs over there
If I ever make a post apocalyptic film. I will film it in Detroit.
The average home in Detroit is now worth only $18,000.
If it's destroyed by fire or whatever, it doesn't even pay to repair; just tear it down and move somewhere else.
ChannelAmsterdam--
That was NOT the point I was making with the previous poster.
When did these buildings of Detroit start to be abandonded?
@Vengeance4Me79 - I like you question!!! But I don´t have the anwer.
3dsmaxuser7--
Implicit in renovation and restoration is that there would ultimately be an economic viability behind it, whether commercial or even subsidized by taxpayers.
There is no viability here; the electorate of Detroit (who willfully created this ruins), of Michigan and the USA have all spoken.
Wow im speechless. I'm not from that area so i have to ask who's fault is this? GM, Ford, .....?
@25Doesntmatter the list of problems is complex. The short and narrow is the hollowing of american industry to 3rd world countries for reduced labor costs. There are other significant factors attributed to social dysfunction as illustrated in the race riots circa 1967. The domestic industries got driven away from both competitive forces, complacency and poor national economic strategies. I could go on.....
blame that group, blame this group.
This is the natural consequence of when individuals give up freedom for temporary gain.
Are you free?
The main reason for the destruction of Detroit is the fact that it was run by "Super-Liberal" politicians.
Indeed, all the factors that made Detroit such a desirable location still all exist.
When you have Super Liberal Politicians that make every kind of excuse for every kind of human failure (such as crime and "social promotion" in schools), this is clearly what you wind up with!
Compare Detroit's crime rate to that of Chicago and New York City; there is no comparison!
Where is this horrible place .... Michigan?
I'm Not raising my children where I'm constantly afraid., End of conversation.
@externalpower Why does an unchecked virus eventually kill its host?
As Jerry Doyle says, think of the I-495 loop around DC as a gated community. And when you pass through that gate into DC, throw all logic out the window. BTW: did you know Shiela Jackson Lee is running Homeland Security? Scary, isn't it.
Detroit has been going straight into the shitter for decades. DECADES. The tanking Auto industry is just the cherry on top, not the root cause.
What the hell happened here??
It's what happens when people, who build up a city and have pride in what they worked for, suddenly outsource their work to make an extra temporary dollar or just take the job with them to the suburbs further eroding the city's tax base and leaving a shell of a city . Yeah, make it a race issue or blame it on white flight but the one thing that made this city grand is, oddly, one of the things that led to it's demise. The Automobile.
Don't you just love the free enterprise system. Example: Mr. Henry builds a car company then becomes a multi-millionaire. Pass it to his son and his son bring on investors and they become a billionaire. Investors get greedy and hire some geek penny pinching accountants. They start slashing workforce and benefits. Then start outsourcing jobs. Now they're muti-billionaires. Now the same people you put out of a job are the ones you expect to buy the cars you produce elsewhere. Kinda crazy u think!!
1:38? Where is this?
But at this point, there is no chief of the dept. So isn't she in charge by default?
Ummm... these aren't all images of Detroit. Sorry I live here. Can someone please tell me where the image at 1:30 is? It's not here.
puck30--
First of all, I must tell you that NYC, starting during WWII, had a formal policy of getting rid of its manufacturing base to turn NYC into a "white collar ONLY" town.
This was an easy thing to do, as the average factory in this city was only about 10 people.
(Read: "The New York Approach: Robert Moses, Urban Liberals, and Redevelopment of the Inner City" by Joel Schwartz.)
I LOVE MICHIGAN CENTRAL STATION.
It's sad to see all of these abandoned buildings around the city and it's an interesting feeling being inside them.. to me at least.
This is what happens when those who are left do not raise children and politicians with any expectations and desire only short term benefits to themselves. Enjoy the results while those who stick to the concept of greater good through self sacrifice move to more receptive locations where those contributions won't be wasted.
The pic at 1:31 shows some kind of Soweto type slum. That can't really be USA (yet), right?
@Vengeance4Me79
_____It's the food--the cost of nutritious foods versus the cost of junk food. In America, farmers are given a subsidy for growing high-carb foods, corn-starch and the like. All of those extra carbs go into potato chips (crisps), soda-pop and other nonsense. Meanwhile, the cost of meat goes up. Junk food is a LOT cheaper than fresh foods. Poor folks can't afford fresh fruit, raw meats and the like. When a pound of potato chips is cheaper than an apple...
all our hero's are dead. Who will save us now?
im pretty sure that picture is photo shopped.
Once detroit went to poor blacks, that once beautiful city became a cesspool.
You could film a HL2 movie there. Utter devastation.
god it looks like a war zone whole area should be turned into a wild life refuge all these old factory sites must have significant ground contamination looks like nothing has been properly mothballed and cleaned up
Only part of it. A string of shitty mayors and complete complacency, plus a totally ignorant, welfare-dependent population destroyed it. Remember it as it once was: the third largest city in the nation - a majestic, blossomed accomplishment that could challenge San Francisco in beauty and New York City in economic achievement.
You cannot have lived in Detroit if you think Europe has anywhere nearly as bad.
Anybody know what 1:30 is a picture of?
Images of a dying empire...
R.I.P
Unprofitable businesses can not exist for long.
Do you think that progressive, "redistribute the wealth" government policies had something to do with it?
Something that has really confused me is how some black people say "stereotypes aren't true" and all of that talk, but they just go right ahead and fit those stereotypes.
Why is that?
It's easy to blame the black poeple for all the troubles.
The problem is; the economical system treats poeple more and more like machines. It's all about profit, profit for the ceo's and the shareholders. Cut back loans, employ fewer and fewer poeple. Government makes tax-brakes for large companies etc etc. In America some poeple need to work 2 or 3 jobs just to get food on the table. Don't you see anything substantially wrong there?
It's not about the poeple, it's about the profit.
Fallout New Detroit.
Where have you seen bad places in Warsaw? And please, don't say anything about Praga district. It is a bit devastated, that's true, but this process have been stopped now. And also there aren't any slums abandoned skyscrapers, buildings devastated by riots, etc. Only abandoned buildings are these which were destroyed during WW2 and not rebuilt after it (not many) and some state industries closed down after transformations in 90. (also not many and often reused for other purposes).
I followed the elections closely, and i noticed this too.
I was asthonised, is this really the way poeple look at the EU? There are a lot of rich poeple that can buy veyron's and such, and luxembourg has the highest GDP in the world. I think income-difference must exist to motivate poeple.
But i also think nobody has to work 3 jobs just to get food on the table and a roof above their head.
A few days ago i read that 10% of the US population uses food stamps.. in such a rich country!
60 + years of liberalism and this is the result !
I can't speak for Warsaw or Eastern Europe in general, but I am English and there is not (yet) a single corner of the country that is anything like as dangerous as Detroit.
S.T.A.L.K.E.R - Shadow of Detroit
Sorry guys, but I don't get it, I am from Europe. What happened with this city? I mean, it has a beautiful skyline, why is it abandoned?
No, the American economical system is based on wasting and making as much profit as possible for the richest of poeple.
If you should blame a group of poeple, it should be the CEO's of financials and the carcompanies.
what a sad place how can america live with its self
@Vengeance4Me79 because in america water costs more then soda's
Welfare payments and government aid are still coming in.
@25Doesntmatter
I ask the same thing. What happenned?
Socialist policies forced on a capitolist coutry. I mourn for the future as social progess advances in what used to be the most productive city in the US.
We used to say "if it is good for GM it is good for the US"
I guess the welfare mentality and big unions were not so good for General Motors.
would we have stopped buying from china if we had known
So what you're saying is that you don't know about the difference between the Legislative and Executive branches of government.
@bulletman100
They move overseas because they need capital to survive. A corporations prime function is the creation of capital, or really, the keeping of capital.
This is the problem with capitalism. It has made us all put capital before people.
Poor people are fat because low-quality, high-fat food is cheap but high-quality food that nourishes the body is expensive. If you ate nothing but government cheese and Mickey Ds you'd be fat before long.
Oh in a perfect world.
Capitalism, as you've seen from this video, causes too many problems. For instance, if you don't have unions, the workers will be mistreated, however, if you do have unions, you have the problem of the unions asking for too much. Another example, if you have absolutely no regulation, people will be hurt or exploited in some way (See pre-Teddy Roosevelt market), however, if you do have regulation, you have the problem of it stopping capital from being made.
Well, I couldn't disagree, that in many cases unions have been good, but really, in Detroit it has fucked everything up, everything good has it's borders.
@Vengeance4Me79
believe me buddy it wont be like that for long
Yes I do but, Isn't the head of Homeland being held up in conformation?(so while their is nobody in the front office) oh well. Does it matter? Soon we will probably have a Homeland Security Czar and he will trump everybody but Obama.
every empire falls..... americas is coming..
Well since you are gonna pray for me I guess I will have to remove the previous post.
@Porkykls123 Detroit is a city that is part of Michigan and part of America. John Engler was governor for 12 years. Michigan had other republican governors over the past 50 years. Republicans have controlled MI's legislature on and off over the years. Most of the presidents over the past 40 years have been republican. It is inaccurate to place all the blame on democrats. besides, why would a city that is mostly black have a republican mayor anyway?
But I can (because I live in Warsaw) and it isn't truth that it is dangerous. Of course, you can be robbed or something, but this possibility exists all around the world.
The true result of capitolism
@chrisman714368 McCain couldn't have done any worse that's for sure!
I liked MITT ROMNEY best anyway. Great businessman, good family man, and had a lot of experience which OBAMA lacks.
It was very, very easy, uploadJ.
All you do is keep parroting, "UAW! UAW! UAW! UAW!
That makes it rather easy!
This is the result of union greed
this is america's future
Ha ha!
Reminds me of Detroit.
You misspelled Civilization. Change the title to welcome America.
SatchmoSings: "I fail to see the UAW's role in this; try the political leadership. "
You are changing the direction of the 'argument' or dicusssion. Maybe you are reading someone else's comments and not mine.
I have not said anything one way or the other about political leadership.
Do you want to address the subject of 'politcal leadership'?
Do you? Or just grandstand and make strawman arguments and call people trolls?
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@Vengeance4Me79 Poor people usually only eat high carbs high sugar foods. A lot of them don't know how to cook or don't know better. This is a result of massive entitlement programs and a nanny state.