I agree with you in that they should have put one of the lower settings as stock. They couldn't, of course, because they needed the highest numbers on everything for their marketing slides and presentation. They can't say "If you overclock it, you will get..." because Intel would chew them up with their numbers.
But even with 65w they often match intel, with 105w they still beat intel, and with a little tuning (not the limits) they can stil get 100% of the performance at only 80watts-ish. They could do 105w with -15mv and still beat the competition handily.
@@justiful9215 "true" check optimum tech channel for their cover of this and you can see for yourself. Also 3D zen4 is the answer to raptorlake in January so amd is effectively having 2 product releases within 6 months with Intel sandwiched in the middle. So amd can have thier cake now AND eat it later. Some people are put off by the high temps and platform costs, but if Md did release it lower clocked... Buyers will see faster than alderlake performance with low temps and power and the added option of pushing more IF they want. Giving customers more options. Then if raptorlake comes out swinging those with the higher power limit zen4 options enabled will say "meh" and those with low power ticked will obviously be happy they don't have eaptorlakes temps and power draw. So buyers can have it both ways, and if raptorlake REALLY came out swinging in games it would only be a few months before 3X took the crown back.... and intel has no answer to that for another year until the whole platform needs replacing with lga2551 in which case...zen5 isn't too far away and doesn't require a platform change. So you can see the huge options at amds disposal would be great if they used them. As it is having people turn their power down sounds like desperation (like the last few years of intel) as opposed to an "opt-in" for more performance where users know the consequences of thier choices.
Great advice! I tried it on an MSI board with the 7950x. Using PPT: 142W, TDC: 110A, EDC: 170A (MSI BIOS wants whole Amps and Watts) gave a performance loss around 3%...4%, which is quite tolerable. (Measured on Linux via Passmark). Thanks a lot.
Thank you very much, that really worked for my 7950x. From 90-95 degrees to 70-75 degrees with an acceptable loss of 0,4 ghz under full load. Wattage 135ish.
Thanks a lot for your guide. I updated my BIOS today and while following your guide I discovered that MSI finally added an ECO Mode option with two Options for either 65W or 105W.
Optimum Tech's PBO2 tuning with also setting the Curve Optimiser seems to be a great result as far as big temp drop and getting a free bump in performance at the same time.
There seems to be such a benefit with eco mode that it feels AMD chose to not make it stock just to increase the perceived value when people learn about this.
@@bothellkenmore No, it was a bios setting. From a specific version number and only on a few brands of board (at the time). The pencil trick was for a graphics card if I'm remembering right. That would let us flash in an se bios to a standard edition card.
@@shadowred1980 I had too look pencil trick up and it was for AMD Athlon/Duron around 2001. I think I remember that BIOS thing, I believe it was ASrock boards for Intel and they removed it with the next BIOS so you couldn't update.
I have tried something different. I decided to test my CPU for all core -30 voltage curve offset. I have a good chip. It's working fine and running cooler than stock. Defaulted back to full 105 watt mode, so I can get higher boost clocks. Now all core boost is 5.5GHz.
Did it today on my 7600x with Asus x670 tuf gaming pc and the results are very good. My temps dropped by 20C. The frequency of the CPU is 4.8ghz instead of 5,2 since I don't want to run it on max frequency. I am very pleased because the performace is almost the same but the temps are way better. Thank you sir! God bless you!
Getting into the BIOS.... if you press Shift and at the same time click 'Restart' it then gives you options to reboot into UEFI BIOS and some other goodies... works on Windows 10 and 11 and I think it works from Windows 7 onwards....
I'm running gigabyte x670 Mobo with a 7900x I used this video and also did -30 PBO. Using CineBench I'm pulling 5.2Ghz at temp of 73-74 celcius. Stock I was doing 5.15Ghz with a Temp of 94-95. Using NH-15 air cooler.
Thanks, now it stays under 80C, I plugged in the numbers you used for the 7700X, then I added +100 to the max boost frequency and now it's boosting the same as before while at least 15C lower temps.
Not sure if anyone has said this... If you are struggling to get into the BIOS, either disable fast boot OR hold the SHIFT key and click shutdown for a full shutdown. Don't SHIFT and click restart or it will go to recovery options. You will then be able to get into the BIOS first time
this is crazy - my 7900x drop from 96 to 71 deg Celcius with just a 4% performance drop!!!!! I need to experiment on this to find even better sweetspot
I made these changes and saved them. They absolutely made no difference at all vs stock settings. Idle temps still in the 50's with a huge 230 watt active cooling 2 fan setup.
@@r-test3668 BF2042 and Tarkov is around low 70s/80s.. I do not have CP or CoD. DooM Erernal is around 60s/70s occasionally. I found NZXT Z63 fan curve and pump adjustments, will be attempting those tomorrow.
To start things off, thank you for those numbers as I was looking everywhere and couldn’t find them. So my motherboard is the same and using the 7950x, I’m using expo 2 as to expo 1 and I only have one cpu 8pin connected vs both due to my power supply. So I used cinebench r23 and ran multiple tests, from my findings the scores were relatively the same between stock/105w even going as far as using Amd master eco mode but my best scores and lowest power use was using your 105w then also setting precision boost from the extreme tweaker page to lv1 (90c) (didn’t test lv2 or lv3) which I’m sure would of been even lower Watts but wanted lower power use with the same performance
My aim has always been to have the best possible performance with the quietest possible system (hence low temperature) and Eco Mode or negative offset on the Curve Optmizer seem to be the best choice here to couple a 4090 in a custom loop. Will wait for 13900k reviews and then will make a choice but love these CPUs.
I can 99.9% guarantee the 13900k will be faster than every Amd 7000 series chip, then Amd will release 3d vcache models next year and take the lead again
Yeah a toggle would be great. As you implied, early days and could be easily implemented. I'd like 3 levels so for the 105W parts stock and maybe 85 and 65.
Beware that there is a chance that it is not mW and mA it might be W and A in which case reduce the numbers by 1000. (Remove the last 3 0s) Check before changing it.
This isn't actually the official Eco mode, this is setting a manual power limit. Also, if you are going to the extra effort of doing this, you may as well set a negative voltage offset, -10 should be stable for most, and often -15 to -25 is achievable. -20 offset is perfectly stable for me on 5800x. In this manner, you can reduce power a good bit while retaining or exceeding stock performance, and if you are going for power, it helps retain frequency while further reducing power usage.
oddly enough I can tell by Ryzen Master when running Cinebench R23 MT testing that I am indeed running at reduced PPT, TDC, and ECU values yet I have zero reduction in CPU Temp. Stays at 85-87C and this was the case prior to the bios settings here. Prior my R23 score was 28K and it just ran 15K. I can see the socket wattage still staying around 103w too. I have a 7900X and this is still well above the 7950X draw you show on your chart. I think I'm going to leave it as default if my performance was nearly %50 reduced with zero temp drops....I'm running a 360 AIO as well. Not sure if my Asus board is just not great with these adjustments or my CPU is also not great....another issue is I cannot get Curve Optimizer to successfully run %100 either without the system shutting down. I really hope my CPU isn't just a bad bin. I really want to reduce temps...not sure where else to go from here.
I didn't change any settings in Ryzen Master yet something triggered Legacy Compatibility mode that turned off half my CPU. Now I need to reset everything and try and re-input the values and see if anything changes. However even with a low score and core count in CBR23 I'm surprised nothing changed with my temp's.
My 7950x after some playing: Add 000 for Mv/Ma PPT: 190 TDC: 145 EDC: 180 Cinebench MC: 37,208 SC: 2,043 Max temp: 83 3D Mark Time spy Graphics: 19,832 CPU: 15,111 Max temp: 70 Can safely drop EDC a fair amount if you'd like too as ryzen master reports low usage.
I tried the exact same thing but I was hitting slightly higher thermals and the system bluescreened on me, but when I dialled the power back to 180 from 190 it seems to be working very stable - could be a cooling issue on my end though - also XMP at 6000 doesn't seem to help the stability of the system as I've had a lot of BSODs from the XMP profile as well
You can manually limit the power for whatever you want. Check out the last video by "optimum tech". He put a limit of 180 for the PPT, and managed to perform the same as the stock 240 PPT
why cant u hold the del or f2 key down and whats wrong with the entire internet where are the numbers for eco mode for a 5950x or did that cpu never exist
Someone tryed lower numbers? i mean for example PPT=70k TDC=60k and EDC=100 [or something similar]. I believe we can go under 65W draw power, without going in peak to over 80W. It would make lower Temperature but what is most best for me is great performance per W in low power consumption with full 8 cores.
Please explain colors, that would be nice. Oh now I see the words more clearly, Green is overclock, Yellow is ECO. I would have guessed Green would be ECO for the green environment... hmmm...
On my Asus ROG Strix X670E-F Gaming WiFi, it needs to be: PPT 88, TDC 75 and EDC 150. No idea why at Asus they don't keep the settings the same on all their boards.
UEFI - Does this still work? shutdown /fw /r And there, that! This is the third or so video I've seen on that topic. I see why AMD has released the CPU as is but the option should have been made far more easily accessible and intuitive by board manufacturers. I haven't watched all of your previous videos just yet. What was your approach on TIM gunk? Der8auer hat a neat glue-me-in solution and Igor just widely taped everything off. 😂 WTF were they thinking with that design?!
expo 1 only loads the main timing and wasnt stable on my system, expo 2 loads the subtimings as well and was stable too so id suggest expo 2 from the getgo or youll just leave half the timings unused
this is incorrect as amd's 65Watt parts actualy draw 88 watts at peak and theyr 105 watt parts draw up to 160 watts peak so going down all teh way to 65 is actualy lower than a 65watt part
Not factoring in price, since you can simply enable PBO on the non-X chips to get X level performance, are there any good arguments for having a 7900X over a 7900?
I managed to get my 7900x down to 65w max power and under 60c under full load. Under full load it only hits 55W only for a very minimal performance loss. I didn't do what this guy said to do in the video as this puts you at 105w for the 7900x.
Is it identically same thing to just switch config TDP to 65W (in case of 7600x)? Was this feature not available at bios at the making of this video, hence the manual inputs?
@@jacksenjohn7402 Yea for all the options i think i just took 65tdp and went with it, i got more into it 7months ago but i think the tldr; basically was that going with lowers temps alot and basically no hit on performance.
Can anyone tell the performance difference between official BIOS 105w eco mode and this PBO tweak ? Is it identical in therm of power consumption / raw performance or is the difference worth choosing one or the other ?
There seems to be a much easier way to do it in the BIOS. Ai Tweaker, Precision Boost Overdrive, Precision Boost Overdrive set to AMD Eco Mode. No need to type numbers. :)
Is there any chance anyone has the values for the 7950X to enter in AMD Ryzen Master? There the following ranges are allowed: PPT (35 - 1.000) TDC (80 - 180) EDC (113 - 250) Does this mean I should enter (for the 7950X): PPT 142 TDC 110 EDC 170 ?? Thanks for any advice!
Why do you have to set 140000 for 105W and 88000 for 65W? I tried 140000 in my Gigabyte Aorus AX BIOS for 7900X and when I ran Cinebench I saw 140W power usage. Which is what you expect when you put in 140W as the socket power. Am I missing something? How did you get from 105 to 140?
I set 88000 on my 7900X and I'm now seeing 90 watts usage in Cinebench. Which, again, is what you'd expect. Why does this video and every website on this topic list numbers that don't make sense? What settings should I use to get the 65W Eco Mode that Ryzen Master lets you do?
I did this. Thermals on the CPU are way better. Is it normal for PPT to show up as 100 percent of 88W when running cinebench? I realize I set the 88W ppt limit. But, is it supposed to run at max the whole time when stress testing?
Now that AMD have included an ECO switch in Ryzen master I'm wondering which method is best, theirs or the manual bios setting? I wonder what Ryzen master does, does it only apply it once Windows has started?
My only issue with Ryzen Master is having to reapply it every time you reboot the computer. The advantage is being able to undo it more easily if you have a use where eco mode makes it worse...
@diizruptive Maybe there was an update, I'm certain it didn't do that back then. Thanks for checking though, I'll be able to restore BIOS to default and just use it in Windows!
rying to make a chart/ table for eco mode settings / PPT TDC EDC, for all power levels ie 60w to 230W (all between) to enter manually, can you point me to the formulas used/ tables etc etc (AMD supplied?) and i can make my excel table. (my target is 85w at half way between 105W and 65W)
I agree with you in that they should have put one of the lower settings as stock. They couldn't, of course, because they needed the highest numbers on everything for their marketing slides and presentation. They can't say "If you overclock it, you will get..." because Intel would chew them up with their numbers.
But even with 65w they often match intel, with 105w they still beat intel, and with a little tuning (not the limits) they can stil get 100% of the performance at only 80watts-ish.
They could do 105w with -15mv and still beat the competition handily.
@@justiful9215 "true" check optimum tech channel for their cover of this and you can see for yourself.
Also 3D zen4 is the answer to raptorlake in January so amd is effectively having 2 product releases within 6 months with Intel sandwiched in the middle. So amd can have thier cake now AND eat it later.
Some people are put off by the high temps and platform costs, but if Md did release it lower clocked...
Buyers will see faster than alderlake performance with low temps and power and the added option of pushing more IF they want. Giving customers more options.
Then if raptorlake comes out swinging those with the higher power limit zen4 options enabled will say "meh" and those with low power ticked will obviously be happy they don't have eaptorlakes temps and power draw.
So buyers can have it both ways, and if raptorlake REALLY came out swinging in games it would only be a few months before 3X took the crown back.... and intel has no answer to that for another year until the whole platform needs replacing with lga2551 in which case...zen5 isn't too far away and doesn't require a platform change.
So you can see the huge options at amds disposal would be great if they used them. As it is having people turn their power down sounds like desperation (like the last few years of intel) as opposed to an "opt-in" for more performance where users know the consequences of thier choices.
I think this is the best video for undervolt the 7600x
how is it Intel will chew them up?
Love your logo, to bad a lot of these computer games like to have you slaughter wolves.....sickos
The only video i found with instructions on how to enable eco mode. Thank you!
you can do it in Ryzen master with one click lol
@@Charlie-zj3hw doesnt show up for me and a lot of other people
Great advice! I tried it on an MSI board with the 7950x. Using PPT: 142W, TDC: 110A, EDC: 170A (MSI BIOS wants whole Amps and Watts) gave a performance loss around 3%...4%, which is quite tolerable. (Measured on Linux via Passmark). Thanks a lot.
Thank you very much, that really worked for my 7950x. From 90-95 degrees to 70-75 degrees with an acceptable loss of 0,4 ghz under full load. Wattage 135ish.
Thanks a lot for your guide. I updated my BIOS today and while following your guide I discovered that MSI finally added an ECO Mode option with two Options for either 65W or 105W.
Optimum Tech's PBO2 tuning with also setting the Curve Optimiser seems to be a great result as far as big temp drop and getting a free bump in performance at the same time.
How to do it?
@@zanat0s what motherboard?
@@redhawk7853 i have asis x670e. I have tried so many settongs but nothing works
There seems to be such a benefit with eco mode that it feels AMD chose to not make it stock just to increase the perceived value when people learn about this.
Thank you TTL! Game changer, only tuber I know making a big point of this.
P.s. not many people have mentioned the included iGPU/on board graphics 😉
..This is a very 'timely' and useful video...Thank you, Tom!! (It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that 'ding' -Duke Ellington?) 🇺🇸 😎👍☕
Glad you like it dudio x
Great job as always, I can remember following one of your guides to unlock an amd phenom to a 4 core from 2 many years ago.
Was that the "pencil" trick?
@@bothellkenmore No, it was a bios setting. From a specific version number and only on a few brands of board (at the time). The pencil trick was for a graphics card if I'm remembering right. That would let us flash in an se bios to a standard edition card.
@@shadowred1980 I had too look pencil trick up and it was for AMD Athlon/Duron around 2001. I think I remember that BIOS thing, I believe it was ASrock boards for Intel and they removed it with the next BIOS so you couldn't update.
good info for the people freaking out about the high temps.
I have tried something different. I decided to test my CPU for all core -30 voltage curve offset. I have a good chip. It's working fine and running cooler than stock. Defaulted back to full 105 watt mode, so I can get higher boost clocks. Now all core boost is 5.5GHz.
Did it today on my 7600x with Asus x670 tuf gaming pc and the results are very good. My temps dropped by 20C. The frequency of the CPU is 4.8ghz instead of 5,2 since I don't want to run it on max frequency. I am very pleased because the performace is almost the same but the temps are way better. Thank you sir! God bless you!
Is it actually that cooler? Ive been running stock settings for 5 months now smh
Getting into the BIOS.... if you press Shift and at the same time click 'Restart' it then gives you options to reboot into UEFI BIOS and some other goodies... works on Windows 10 and 11 and I think it works from Windows 7 onwards....
I'm running gigabyte x670 Mobo with a 7900x I used this video and also did -30 PBO. Using CineBench I'm pulling 5.2Ghz at temp of 73-74 celcius. Stock I was doing 5.15Ghz with a Temp of 94-95. Using NH-15 air cooler.
Thanks, now it stays under 80C, I plugged in the numbers you used for the 7700X, then I added +100 to the max boost frequency and now it's boosting the same as before while at least 15C lower temps.
Where can I find max boost frequency ? I wanna do the same :)
@@OrkunuS_ it should be on the same page under the mv settings, my mb is an ASRock though
This is very handy info Guv!
Not sure if anyone has said this... If you are struggling to get into the BIOS, either disable fast boot OR hold the SHIFT key and click shutdown for a full shutdown. Don't SHIFT and click restart or it will go to recovery options. You will then be able to get into the BIOS first time
nice tom this is what i'm looking for!
this is crazy - my 7900x drop from 96 to 71 deg Celcius with just a 4% performance drop!!!!! I need to experiment on this to find even better sweetspot
I made these changes and saved them. They absolutely made no difference at all vs stock settings. Idle temps still in the 50's with a huge 230 watt active cooling 2 fan setup.
im curious what are your temps when gaming?
Same scenario here, made no difference… looking for proper other options now. Strange.
@@kf5417 im getting temps of about 50 but im watching vids on ytube. what are you temps when maxing out games such as warzone or cyberpunk
@@r-test3668 BF2042 and Tarkov is around low 70s/80s.. I do not have CP or CoD. DooM Erernal is around 60s/70s occasionally. I found NZXT Z63 fan curve and pump adjustments, will be attempting those tomorrow.
amazing job cheers Tom
Tom, have you tried out the new Ryzen Master update? It now seems to have ECO mode controls in it.
To start things off, thank you for those numbers as I was looking everywhere and couldn’t find them.
So my motherboard is the same and using the 7950x, I’m using expo 2 as to expo 1 and I only have one cpu 8pin connected vs both due to my power supply.
So I used cinebench r23 and ran multiple tests, from my findings the scores were relatively the same between stock/105w even going as far as using Amd master eco mode but my best scores and lowest power use was using your 105w then also setting precision boost from the extreme tweaker page to lv1 (90c) (didn’t test lv2 or lv3) which I’m sure would of been even lower Watts but wanted lower power use with the same performance
What about 7800x3d?
thanks. I'm totally going eco mode. I only have an AK400 and I want to save a little on the electricity.
My aim has always been to have the best possible performance with the quietest possible system (hence low temperature) and Eco Mode or negative offset on the Curve Optmizer seem to be the best choice here to couple a 4090 in a custom loop. Will wait for 13900k reviews and then will make a choice but love these CPUs.
I can 99.9% guarantee the 13900k will be faster than every Amd 7000 series chip, then Amd will release 3d vcache models next year and take the lead again
@@drunkhusband6257 this didnt age well :D 13900k barely farts past the 7950 when the x3d comes out 13900k be obsolete as an upgrade option
@@DoobiusPiff I'm good with my 13900k for the next 5 years or so I won't be upgrading till then.
@@drunkhusband6257 13900k is a beast they both are just either side of the aisle!!
I can see this in future bios updates where as you just have a menu for echo mode
Yeah a toggle would be great. As you implied, early days and could be easily implemented. I'd like 3 levels so for the 105W parts stock and maybe 85 and 65.
Cheers m8 your a Boss :) sorted the 7950x :D
Beware that there is a chance that it is not mW and mA it might be W and A in which case reduce the numbers by 1000. (Remove the last 3 0s)
Check before changing it.
The numbers are correct for entering in the bios - they are what AMD gave me directly.
you are absolutely right, I’ve got MSI motherboard and type in 88, 75 and 150 for 7700X.
True. There were BIOS changes it seems like
This isn't actually the official Eco mode, this is setting a manual power limit. Also, if you are going to the extra effort of doing this, you may as well set a negative voltage offset, -10 should be stable for most, and often -15 to -25 is achievable. -20 offset is perfectly stable for me on 5800x. In this manner, you can reduce power a good bit while retaining or exceeding stock performance, and if you are going for power, it helps retain frequency while further reducing power usage.
I'm guessing AMD hadn't yet released their update when he did this video....?
I followed this video and managed a -30 offset. Using CineBench I'm currently at 5.25Ghz at 72-73 Temp. Stock was like 5.15Ghz at 94-95 Temp
oddly enough I can tell by Ryzen Master when running Cinebench R23 MT testing that I am indeed running at reduced PPT, TDC, and ECU values yet I have zero reduction in CPU Temp. Stays at 85-87C and this was the case prior to the bios settings here. Prior my R23 score was 28K and it just ran 15K. I can see the socket wattage still staying around 103w too. I have a 7900X and this is still well above the 7950X draw you show on your chart. I think I'm going to leave it as default if my performance was nearly %50 reduced with zero temp drops....I'm running a 360 AIO as well. Not sure if my Asus board is just not great with these adjustments or my CPU is also not great....another issue is I cannot get Curve Optimizer to successfully run %100 either without the system shutting down. I really hope my CPU isn't just a bad bin. I really want to reduce temps...not sure where else to go from here.
I didn't change any settings in Ryzen Master yet something triggered Legacy Compatibility mode that turned off half my CPU. Now I need to reset everything and try and re-input the values and see if anything changes. However even with a low score and core count in CBR23 I'm surprised nothing changed with my temp's.
Great tip thank you 👍
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
I actually think they nailed it with the X chips however hopefully the non-x chips do not behave this way and require tweaking like you said.
There is no Non X chips available on the market today. I like better the Curve optimizer, it seems a bit more efficient.
Why don’t Gigabyte just add a ‘eco mode’ switch in the BIOS. Not hard surely!
Thank you for this vid
The breathing noise made it to where u couldnt watch the whole video. Sounds like your on a treadmill
You could also probably gain even more performance than evo mode with even lower voltage by manually undervolting.
My 7950x after some playing:
Add 000 for Mv/Ma
PPT: 190
TDC: 145
EDC: 180
Cinebench
MC: 37,208
SC: 2,043
Max temp: 83
3D Mark Time spy
Graphics: 19,832
CPU: 15,111
Max temp: 70
Can safely drop EDC a fair amount if you'd like too as ryzen master reports low usage.
I tried the exact same thing but I was hitting slightly higher thermals and the system bluescreened on me, but when I dialled the power back to 180 from 190 it seems to be working very stable - could be a cooling issue on my end though - also XMP at 6000 doesn't seem to help the stability of the system as I've had a lot of BSODs from the XMP profile as well
Some mobo's require holding a key (like DELETE) not spamming it.
Amazing ...noice!
But what if you don't want to take a 7950x to 105W. What if you just wanna go down to 150W to take the edge off.
You can manually limit the power for whatever you want. Check out the last video by "optimum tech". He put a limit of 180 for the PPT, and managed to perform the same as the stock 240 PPT
why cant u hold the del or f2 key down
and whats wrong with the entire internet
where are the numbers for eco mode for a 5950x or did that cpu never exist
thinking of a 7600x or a 7700x, how do these settings impact their stats in terms of base clock, max boost clock?
Someone tryed lower numbers? i mean for example PPT=70k TDC=60k and EDC=100 [or something similar]. I believe we can go under 65W draw power, without going in peak to over 80W. It would make lower Temperature but what is most best for me is great performance per W in low power consumption with full 8 cores.
Can you use this to scale up to let's say 140 or 150W? Or is it better to thermal limit at that point?
Unfortunately ASRock motherboards don’t have advanced PBO settings and only “enable” or “disable” or “auto”
Why is everyone repeatedly pressing DEL key when you can simply hold it and it will enter the BIOS. Try it.
Depends on the motherboard. Holding DEL sometimes works, sometimes it doesn't
Please explain colors, that would be nice. Oh now I see the words more clearly, Green is overclock, Yellow is ECO. I would have guessed Green would be ECO for the green environment... hmmm...
Why do they just not put eco mode back as a BIOS option ?
Doubt theses board and bios makers are as smart as the average user is here! After all, the so call engineers are total looneys!
I'd like to use eco mode for the 7950x3d, but what are the values to use?
I'd like to know this as well.
On my Asus ROG Strix X670E-F Gaming WiFi, it needs to be: PPT 88, TDC 75 and EDC 150. No idea why at Asus they don't keep the settings the same on all their boards.
i dont get it, everybody else can do Expo on Ryzen but i can only DOCP
Your ram is probably just for intel xmp. Docp is basically translating xmp to expo
UEFI - Does this still work?
shutdown /fw /r
And there, that! This is the third or so video I've seen on that topic. I see why AMD has released the CPU as is but the option should have been made far more easily accessible and intuitive by board manufacturers.
I haven't watched all of your previous videos just yet. What was your approach on TIM gunk? Der8auer hat a neat glue-me-in solution and Igor just widely taped everything off. 😂 WTF were they thinking with that design?!
expo 1 only loads the main timing and wasnt stable on my system, expo 2 loads the subtimings as well and was stable too so id suggest expo 2 from the getgo or youll just leave half the timings unused
these numbers are so different from what Optimum Tech showed. What could possibly be the cause of such massive difference??
What is this is the difference between AiTweaker PBO settings and AMD Overclocking PBO? It seem to have the same fields.
I love the eco mode on AMD processors but it would seem that Intel are gong in the opposite direction which is a shame.
It doesn't work for me, the PPT limit 142000 is still 230 watts...
so Tom quick question" if i want to raise the temps you shown us by 10c more how much more do i add up ? PPT 142,000 TDC 110,000 EDC 170000
Use the Curve optimizer. You can set negtive voltage, lock the max temp and max power.
Increase ppt only u gain performance and heat too
Just wanted to ask you what numbers would you put for 7600 ( non X) variant as it's 65TDP CPU?
Has anyone tried this on 7900x? Any stability or crashing issues? I tried diff settings and had to reset my bios due to instability
It works bro
Summer mode and winter mode ! ;) =D
How about the 5600? What values should I enter?
this is incorrect as amd's 65Watt parts actualy draw 88 watts at peak and theyr 105 watt parts draw up to 160 watts peak so going down all teh way to 65 is actualy lower than a 65watt part
Not factoring in price, since you can simply enable PBO on the non-X chips to get X level performance, are there any good arguments for having a 7900X over a 7900?
Not really...
I managed to get my 7900x down to 65w max power and under 60c under full load. Under full load it only hits 55W only for a very minimal performance loss. I didn't do what this guy said to do in the video as this puts you at 105w for the 7900x.
Do you still need to manually insert ppt, tdc, and edc to do that?
Just FYI the PBO limits aren’t working with new 705 bios update from oct 7th (yesterday) uefi bug
They still don't seem to be working.
what is the setting to run my 7950x at 15W max? and how can i disable 15 cores and run it on a single core to save powar?
Noob question but how come I can only put up to 65535 and how can I get past that
Is it identically same thing to just switch config TDP to 65W (in case of 7600x)? Was this feature not available at bios at the making of this video, hence the manual inputs?
You just put it on 65 watt tdp?
@@jacksenjohn7402 Yea for all the options i think i just took 65tdp and went with it, i got more into it 7months ago but i think the tldr; basically was that going with lowers temps alot and basically no hit on performance.
Nice
are the 7900x numbers the same for the 7900?
next BIOS update should have eco mode and high power option?
Think it will be Ryzen Master first
I thought "Eco mode" was a specific setting for AMD...it is just a generic name people give to undervolting this way?
Can anyone tell the performance difference between official BIOS 105w eco mode and this PBO tweak ?
Is it identical in therm of power consumption / raw performance or is the difference worth choosing one or the other ?
You should buy a ltt screwdriver and put it through the real test, a 2022 orca build
There seems to be a much easier way to do it in the BIOS.
Ai Tweaker, Precision Boost Overdrive, Precision Boost Overdrive set to AMD Eco Mode. No need to type numbers. :)
Did you do the ryzen master update to get those settings? I had tried to update and it crashed Windows from booting. Had to reinstall entirely
i have asus i have selected AMD eco mode but doesn't work!
@@zanat0s Same. My tweaking doesn't change anything. Still draws 208 watts.
Will the 3D version of 7000 chips have Eco mode?
I cannot seem to be able to make it work in zen4
weird, set the power limits did not change anything for me. still hits 95c and draws 185W. damn witchcraft! lol
Does this work well for the 9950x? Should I use the same numbers in the settings?
Id not use this for the 9950x until Ive had a chance to test and make a new video. I cant do that until they fix the gaming issues though
What is i5 7600x power draw in idle mode ? Normal and eco ?
where did we get those values?
Is there any chance anyone has the values for the 7950X to enter in AMD Ryzen Master?
There the following ranges are allowed:
PPT (35 - 1.000)
TDC (80 - 180)
EDC (113 - 250)
Does this mean I should enter (for the 7950X):
PPT 142
TDC 110
EDC 170
??
Thanks for any advice!
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how to enable eco mode in asus b650e-i motherboard?
7800x3d ?
Anyone got an aurous elita ax x670? They have put bloody battery under a heat shield that seems unremovable. Clearing bios is a pain.
High Performance Hardware Limited in power. Safes costs, lasts longer !
Why do you have to set 140000 for 105W and 88000 for 65W? I tried 140000 in my Gigabyte Aorus AX BIOS for 7900X and when I ran Cinebench I saw 140W power usage. Which is what you expect when you put in 140W as the socket power. Am I missing something? How did you get from 105 to 140?
I set 88000 on my 7900X and I'm now seeing 90 watts usage in Cinebench. Which, again, is what you'd expect. Why does this video and every website on this topic list numbers that don't make sense? What settings should I use to get the 65W Eco Mode that Ryzen Master lets you do?
Bro 140000 mean 140watts sometimes the computer adds more but very little maybe you will see 145watts instead
@@SUPRIMGAMEwhat I was saying is that he sets 140000 and says that gives you 105w usage. He should be setting 105000 right?
What are the setting is you want to run the 7900x at 65 watt?
Reduce the ppt value
I did this. Thermals on the CPU are way better. Is it normal for PPT to show up as 100 percent of 88W when running cinebench? I realize I set the 88W ppt limit. But, is it supposed to run at max the whole time when stress testing?
Should be fine, if you are reaching max 88watt you have a TDP of 65W. Cinebench pushes to the tdp limit.
My ryzen master is missing the eco mode. In fact, alot of people are having the same issue. If I want to set 7900x at 65w, what should I do?
In your bios?
Now that AMD have included an ECO switch in Ryzen master I'm wondering which method is best, theirs or the manual bios setting? I wonder what Ryzen master does, does it only apply it once Windows has started?
My only issue with Ryzen Master is having to reapply it every time you reboot the computer. The advantage is being able to undo it more easily if you have a use where eco mode makes it worse...
@diizruptive Maybe there was an update, I'm certain it didn't do that back then. Thanks for checking though, I'll be able to restore BIOS to default and just use it in Windows!
@diizruptive mine doesn't appear in master ryzen
Hi i have a msi motherboard and in pbo limit my value ia W and A... Should i delete 3 zero from ypur value?
Did you try it? How did it turn out?
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rying to make a chart/ table for eco mode settings / PPT TDC EDC, for all power levels ie 60w to 230W (all between) to enter manually, can you point me to the formulas used/ tables etc etc (AMD supplied?) and i can make my excel table. (my target is 85w at half way between 105W and 65W)
All the info we got given is in the video and on the website
That chart at 07:40 is so confusing. 1 colour ≠ 1 SKU or its mode
Its really not THAT confusing but I understand how/why you want it the other way