Boston's T Network Evolution
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- Опубліковано 14 лис 2024
- From its beginning in 1888, Boston's subway, streetcar, and busway network has grown to 122 stations, spanning 67.3 miles (108 kilometers). This animated video takes you through the timeline of when new stations were opened, forming the MBTA network that we know today.
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Boston 1 Red Line subway
Boston 2 Orange Line subway
Boston 3 Blue Line subway
Boston 4 Green Line subway
Boston SL Silver Line Chelsea busway
Boston 69 Watertown Brighton streetcar
Boston 62 Boston College Commonwealth streetcar
Boston 61 Cleveland Circle Beacon streetcar
Boston 39 Arborway Huntington streetcar
Boston 57 Heath St Huntington streetcar
Boston Columbus Ave bus lanes
Boston's system was designed by two guys: one with a pencil and the other with an eraser.
To be fair, that can be said for every system worldwide.
However, it's more like the pencil is for subways, whereas the eraser is for elevateds/streetcars, at least worldwide.
Ehhh I feel like Boston changed so much because they cheaped out in the 70s and 80s by building subway lines next to commuter rail lines instead of rebuilding the els the actual subway ran on.
@@CaseysTrains it did, big time.
It is well known that Boston was laid out by cows….
What about a glue stick
The Green line extension resulted in the temporary closure of Science Park and the permanent closure of the old Lechmere streetcar station (Balloon Loop). It’s currently being replaced by a new elevated streetcar station.
Ok cool
And that god-awful screeching when the trolleys turned around at Lechmere!
Hub dbucsnfdjgreryang and the other is on the road to the bad and the traffic on a ebad you can find out of it and the other day I was in a bad accident but it did rain and I did it in a bad day and it ttt bad weather and I did not know what the weather is supposed to be like that I was just thinking of you guys that I did it all the way out to see if I was a little bit more of the weather I hope it was good to hear you really
cool
Thank-you for this very complete description of the growth of the T.
The first subway system in America!! I’m a New Yorker but love taking the T when I’m in Boston! Great job as always!
I love taking the train in nyc whenever I’m there glad to see you enjoy our system too!
Take it everyday you'd hate it.
Traitor lol
@@HallsofAsgard96 it’s fine I just hate their sports teams
Best>First.
MBTA seems like such a weird system to me, such a hodge-podge of old tunnels and modalities. Really unique and frankly iconic
For an urbanrailer such as myself, I find these videos fascinating and informative. I do have, however, one suggestion and that would be that as you mention the various changes to specific lines that you either highlight them as you mention them or momentarily magnify them. I suggest this because I think it would make it much easier for viewers to find and follow your descriptions! Presently, I have a bit of a 'lag' finding the sections of lines you're describing! A quick highlight or magnification would draw the viewers’ eyes right to the spot in question! The idea of telling the history of transit development for each city is a wonderful concept! Kudos for its execution! I really love it!
I’ve been playing around with a few concepts for highlighting changes, however I haven’t found one I’m satisfied with yet. Definitely in the works though!
@@VanishingUnderground My buddy said you are the best he has seen out here lately...I concur.
Just came back from a weekend in Boston with friends. Stayed in Eagle Hill (near Airport on Blue Line) and commonly went into State, Back Bay, and Chinatown. The subway is easy to use and a fun experience.
Great job! The only thing is that in 2004, the Causeway St. Elevated on the Green Line closed. No stations were closed as a result, but North Station was moved to an underground stop.
Rumour has it that Charlie is still down there somewhere
What really "never returns" is when they "temporarily" suspend a green line street running branch
And why did his wife hand him a sandwich but not a nickel? Hmmm...
@@reedermh …where’d she get the money for sandwiches anyway? she was just trying to get rid of him 🤣
Boston born here. Took me 33 years to realize the Green line looks like an octopus because the octopus arms came first as independent street car lines and then were merged by a single route to downtown and up to Lechmere. Very happy about the Somerville extension!
Great video, I know it took you a while to create this. Thanks again for reviewing Boston's T metro network
This was a nice presentation on the Boston Subway. I have been waiting patiently for this show. I have been on the Massachusetts Bay Transit Authority, also known as the T twice.
You forgot that in 1911 part of the elevated line between battery and North Station was rebuilt after it blew up in the great molasses flood.
*The Boston Molassacre
1919
HAH! that's right! I studied that in school..lol
@@justinclifford5486 😃
High speed molasses at that! 😸
Been waiting for this for a few weeks now.
well worth the wait :D
Lol same
The time it's taken to build the Green Line extension seems all the more ridiculous when looking at how long it took historically to expand the ends of lines. Fascinating video!
North Station (the ground level portion) actually opened with Haymarket Square, Adams Square, and Scollay Square on 3 September 1898. It was part of the originally Tremont Street Subway extension. Thank you though for pronouncing Scollay Square correctly!
Makes up for him mispronouncing "Bowdoin". (It's "Bowdun".) But he also got Lechmere right.
and it only closed in 1996, not for the routing of the elevated through the Tremont St. Tunnel as was claimed
I remember leaving to Dominican Republic for about a week or so and returning to see Bus Route 49 changed to the Silver Line (SL5). My brother and I were so confused about this sudden change. Also, Nubian Station on the terminus of SL4/5 was a very recent name change, as the area known as Dudley Square, to which the station was the biggest part of, was changed to Nubian Square.
Anyway, this was a fun ride, seeing my hometown's subway system evolve. This was the one video I wanted to see out of this channel, as I first saw this channel a few weeks ago, and I'm glad I get to see it.
Watching this after a recent trip to Boston. We stayed right near the blue line and took the metro almost exclusively. Such a nice system, if only there was a central station though 😭
I just got back from Boston, attending Anime Boston 2022 in the Back Bay area. I got to know the E Branch Green Line & Blue Line really well...did not use the other lines, but saw everything I wanted to....divided my time between convention stuff and sightseeing stuff. The most fun trip was to the Aquarium stop then taking the Water Shuttle from the waterfront to the Charlestown Navy Yard and back, to see the USS Constitution & museum building.
I used the MBTA a number of years ago while visiting, before smart phones. It was a bit overwhelming to say the least. It is a well used service.
it becomes less confusing when you think of it as a star. the farthest points are where the lines end and interchanges like south station are where the points of the star meet.
@@Ninja1Ninja2 Actually South Station isn’t an interchange between subways
i feel like any mass transit system like the the T, can be overwhelming for anybody..lol.. at times, even for long time Greater Boston and Boston proper residents!.. usually because of scheduling conflicts..lol.. Though, the T had vastly improved in that respect over the last decade or so.
Did you know. At may 23 of last year. Lechmere is closed for green line extension
And West End I’m pretty sure
Bravo! The history of the T in twenty minutes. I thought I knew it all, but learned a few new things, such as that ever-changing Atlantic Avenue route (we could use that now).
We do but it wouldn’t work, Atlantic Avenue has been modified considerably since that time. It was once much straighter. If it was elevated you would have to route the line through a hotel and over Christopher Columbus park. You can see on a map where the road once was. Under seems like not an option because the big dig tunnels are in the way, or you would have to put the tunnels next to the harbor and we all know how the harbor is currently leaking into Aquarium station.
I grew up in Cambridge in the 60s-70s and left for the midwest in 1987. Every time I go back, the T has changed. It's kind of disorienting, but looks generally for the better. One thing omitted from the presentation here was that the shifting from the Orange Line elevated to the current line that follows the railroad right of way was a shifting of the Orange Line from the heart of Roxbury, a predominantly black neighborhood, and toward a more college-student/white commuter rider base.
You glossed over the A-line to Watertown via a turn-around at Oak Square. Any way to add that history to the video? Visual space may have been tight, but could you have included more detail about the E-line branch to Arborway?
So fascinating, I am studying architecture in Boston and I redesigned the transit map for fun based on what data I could find at the time. This is perfect for that :)
The Blue line gets the pronunciation wrong on Bowdoin and Suffolk Downs, but otherwise pretty good on most things.
Yeah I grew up in Boston. Most say "Bow-din" although I heard some say "Bah-do-win" and *I* used to say "Bow-doin" lol
@@edwardmiessner6502 I used to say "Bau-doyn" until I moved here. Now I say "Boe-din."
explaining the changeover from BERy to MTA and MTA to MBTA would’ve made it a little less confusing. But great video nonetheless
I remember riding the T when I visited Boston for a day just to ride their subways! It was decades ago but my goal is to visit all the transit systems in the US. I'm fascinated with Chicago; that will be my first trip now that covid seems to be loosening its grip on America! Boston is next on my list!
chicago trains are cool, they go up in the air above the streets! and it's suuuper easy to take from chicago airport to downtown.
You have outdone yourself. Be proud.
Great job on the Boston video. I didn’t know about that busway on near the orange line. I saw the construction but wondered what they were doing down there.
The T recently discontinued local trolleybuses. The Silver Line will use their dual-mode buses a little longer on SL 1, 2, and 3.
Pretty amazing system, the oldest in the USA I believe. I rode it from 1991-1994, mostly the orange line and red line although used the Blue and Green from time to time. it really did not change much from 1994 to today with only a few name changes and some new bus ways. I saw the construction north of Lechmere which was being talked about in the 1990s that they finally got the right of way to build part of it north as they have plans to go further north once they can get the right of way. They demolished the ancient ground level Lechmere station and now are building an elevated (I think the highest in the system) for that stop and going north to Medford/Tufts coming back to ground level.
I know it was a brief moment, but the silver line also services Logan Airport. The street level Sliver Line (SL4&5) run part of their routes in bus lanes running on the former Washington Elevated or the EL, running from Nubian Square (formerly Dudley Square) to South Station on SL4 and Downtown Crossing on SL5. Note that the buses stop at Chinatown on inbound trips, and Bolyston on SL5 outbound trips. Other bus lanes now exist in the system as well.
You didn't mention that the Tremont St. Subway is America's oldest subway tunnel still in use today.
the mbta should restore the green "a" line.
I agree. My sister took that line to get to her high school.
Not likely. Even after street car service ended the tracks remained in place for years, presenting a safety hazard for motorists after a while as they slowly deteriorated, until they finally ripped them out.
Idk. In traffic, the green line is about as good as a bus.
@@ToddBednarczyk if they implemented Transit Signal Priority, the green line would go a lot faster
rich folks don’t want poor folks in their neighborhood…the people of Newton don’t want it and the people of Alston were claimed to be against it(really just didn’t want to give up illegal parking)
The Green Line used to be an elevated line in the immediate area of North Station, until at least the early 1980s (I don't know the exact year) when it was rebuilt underground, only coming to the surface to use the existing bridge over the Charles River.
Love the videos, miss the previous intro and music though!
This is incredible, thank you so much. I have been wishing for a video like this for years.
Well worth the extra wait! Spectacular video. The MBTA should replace the Ashmont trolley with a Red line extension already.
I highly doubt that.
Would love to see NYC and LOS ANGELES, not to mention Chicago 🙌
Those will probably be last on his list...
Hell yeah LA especially
Lol
He did LA
Thank you for this! I love Boston's T. Any chance we can see a Philly Video soon? :3
Excellent video! 👏👏👏👍 But you are missing the East Boston and South End - Roxbury sections of the Silver Line (which I wish they had built identical to the Montreal Metro if only to South Boston, Logan, East Boston and Chelsea). I've been waiting for more than a month for this. Thank you! 🤗💐
I think that was intentional because they don't run in dedicated busways. He doesn't include mixed-traffic or regular bus lane segments in other videos, so I think it would be unfair to include them here. And MBTA has an overinflated opinion of the Silver Line that I don't think we need to indulge any more than we need to. 😉
0:00 When I worked at the World Trade Center building a co-worker was walking to take the silver line to South Station, he was looking down from the outside elevated walkway seen in the background above the station, the bus was coming across the street from the opposite way to go into the tunnel/station. He was like "wow perfect timing to catch the bus!" All of the sudden a Penske rental truck runs the red light at about 70 miles per hour and t-bones the bus right in the side. He just turned around and started walking to South Station.
Around that same time some guy tried to drive his car into the tunnel
Boston needs a ring subway line to go through the outer parts of the city the same way highways have beltway roads. From like Dorchester to Allston maybe
They had a plan for that called the Urban Ring which never materialized.
boston is so underrated
Very good job, thanks. I'd add a couple of things however, what we now call the Orange Line was officially named the Main Line & was still often internally called that at least through the 1980s. Also as far as name changes go, South Station on the Cambridge-Dorchester line was called South Station Under originally & Park Street was Park Street Under. I'd love to know when the "under" was dropped.
You show Boylston-Essex, Summer-Winter, Milk-State, and Union-Friend as single stations from the start, but these station pairs weren't connected until after the MTA takeover. Under BERy, these were pairs of disconnected one-way stations. As a result of this history, the Orange Line platforms are staggered and sometimes not all that near the rest of the station. The Southbound platform at present-day State, for example, which used to be Milk Street Station, is about two blocks away from where the original State and Devonshire stations were located.
I'm a regular guest at the Fairfield Inn on Msgr O'Brien Parkway in East Cambridge, adjacent to the ROW of the extended Green Line. I recall seeing the real estate a few years back -- just a blank strip between buildings on both sides, and thinking that it had to be the route of the planned extension. My most recent visit to the hotel, October 2021, and the elevated infrastructure was in place. Looking forward to the opening sometime in 2022.
I did wonder why the extension was done on an elevated ROW instead of at street level. It had to have been a considerably more expensive option.
You got the Silver Line wrong. The first route was from Temple Place downtown to Dudley Sq as a replacement for the discontinued Orange Line servicing Washington st from Downtown to Dudley Sq. July 20, 2002 (Washington Street).
December 17, 2004 (Waterfront)
Dudley Sq station has been renamed Nubian Sq station.
I only included sections of the Silver Line that run on a dedicated busway
@@VanishingUnderground
I was hoping you did one for the MBTA. I was disappointed you didn't include the first Silver Line route from Dudley to Temple Place as the first line. Leaving that out makes your presentation incomplete and inaccurate. Personally, I think you should revise it to reflect that SL route. Thanks.
@@VanishingUnderground and it does…it runs on a dedicated right of way on Washington St. until the I90 bridge where it joins regular traffic. you’re selective with your facts and missed multiple reservations that were in use for decades.
If you're including the Columbus Avenue busway, you should likely include the other dedicated rights of way for buses throughout the network in Boston, Everett, and Somerville
Great video! You did forget to mention Washington Street Silver Line in 2002. And the planning Silver Line extension to Everett in 2022.
I typically don’t include buses unless they run on a dedicated roadway, which is why the SL4/5 weren’t included
@@VanishingUnderground That makes it seem really confusing tbh, especially since all parts of the Silver Line are included on the MBTA map.
@@gargargargar I have been of the opinion ever since moving here that SL4/5 should not be shown as rapid transit. It should be given the same prominence in the map as the key bus routes, which is to say, a thin line showing connections to rapid transit and other key buses. They can even make it gray if they want instead of normal bus yellow, but pretending it's anything more than a normal bus is frankly insulting and is more misleading than leaving it off. Like they think we don't know that it's a joke?
@@VanishingUnderground also former SL3 City Point route was closed in March 2009. Also Silver Line to Airport terminals started in 2004 too.
All this time I thought the Blue Line was one of the newest branches (because its rolling stock appears to be the newest), but it's actually one of the older ones! Thanks for the vid! Although see below about mention of the Green Line extension.
There's apparently talks of a connector between the Red and Blue lines, which I hope comes through. As a side note, the brand new trains on the Orange and Red are withdrawn right now because an Orange Line train derailed at Wellington a few months ago. The trucks are too stiff or something. Which sucks because the Orange Line cars are **ancient**, as well as a good portion of the Red Line trains.
Blue and Red can't physically connect due to loading gauge, but an interchange would be nice.
I lived in Magoun a bit over a year ago before moving downtown-can't wait to be able to take the green line extension back to Pini's pizzeria
It's nice seeing the full evolution of the mbta. Still waiting for the new Subway cars to fully roll out. Can't wait to ride one.
Nice work!
Wow I didn't know how new Alewife was I lived there. I lived in the community behind the station. I also remember the trolley bus depot that was there and walking to a nice pizza place.
Rolling Stock:
Orange: Hawker-Siddleley 1200 series, CRRC Cars (2019) (Out of service due to derailment on that line)
Red: Pullman-Standard 1500 and 1600 series (1969), UTDC cars (1987), Bombardier cars (1993), CRRC cars (2021) (Not in service due to CRRC car derailment on the Orange line) (Replacing all existing stock)
Green: Kinki Sharyo Type 7 (1986, 1997), AnsaldoBreda Type 8 (1998), CAF Type 9, (2018) (To be transferred to Ashmont-Mattapan Trolley) Future: Type 10 (Replace all Existing stock, Type 7/8 to be retired)
Ashmont-Mattapan Trolley: PCC streetcars
Future: Type 9 (To replace PCC Streetcars)
Blue: Siemens 700 Series (2008)
Retired:
Blue: Hawker-Siddleley 600 series
Green: Boeing US Standard Light Rail Vehicles, PCC Streetcars (10 transferred to Ashmont-Mattapan Trolley)
Red: None
Future: 1500, 1600, 1700, 1800 series
Orange: None
Future: 1200 series
The silver line also went to Dudley (Nubian) during it's first phase, replacing bus route 49 which was a service that ran in replacement of the former orange line El south of downtown.
Was this your most complicated map-tracking effort yet? It seems that way to me, and once again you’ve produced a marvel of clarity and legibility. I’m eager to see you tackle the Bay Area: in particular, the BART and Muni Metro network and subsequent expansions.
Not my most complicated but definitely in the top 5! Bay Area videos are coming later this summer
@@VanishingUnderground Thanks! As I commented earlier, these videos go beyond the “fun” element of cool animated maps. I see them as a different kind of “growth chart” for a city: typically you’re highlighting the densification of its most urban districts. You’re also chronicling a more customer-driven type of expansion, often based on where service demand, capacity relief and land use intensification call for change rather than where real estate speculation or politically-motivated annexation has changed a city. As the former Director of Planning for SFMTA’s Muni - and as one of BART’s first Transit-Oriented Development managers - I count transit line expansions the way botanists count tree rings. Your clear, graphically-accessible map-video skills just makes this so much easier to enjoy and understand.
This leaves out the E branch former terminus at Arborway and the current terminus at Heath St.
In typical Massachusetts fashion, the E branch Medford/Tufts extension didn’t open till late 2022
I was about to ask if you would ever do a London Underground evolution video, but Geoff Marshall definitely already did that XD
I've talked about this to somebody at work (as I work inside the airport) and heavily think that Airport station should be re-routed into the Central Garage making trips into the airport much easier and accessible for flyers as the garage connects to all the terminals. Then rename the current Airport station to either Bremen or Eagle Hill, referencing the park in the area or the neighborhood.
The only reason I don't see that happening, though, is mostly because Massport will most likely not allow the MBTA to do it.
Finally! I love this channel!
You definitely should make a video on Chicago's and Philadelphia's metro and commuter systems
The E Branch of the Green Line used to run to Arborway. That was an alternate station name for Forest Hills. It was the same destination. I'm not sure when service was cut back to Heath Street.
Thank you very much with this video. It's amazing
It's the only way to get around the city. But this is just part of the picture. They have a great commuter rail system vin Boston too, to Manchester, NH, Fitchburg, Worcester, and Providence, RI. Outside of NYC, probably the most extensive transit network in the US. I got to see the restored Union Station in Worcester a few years ago when I went to visit a friend. It's a real treasure that was almost Tien down.
Commuter Rail last ran to Manchester, or NH in 1981
Can you do the Bart or Muni from San Francisco next?
Coming later this summer
But, the sl3 terminus name of boston marine center was renamed to design center and city centre was renamed to LOGAN Airport Terminals (A, B, C, E)
I typically don’t include buses unless they run on a dedicated roadway, which is why the SL4/5 weren’t included
The first route was from Temple Place downtown to Dudley Sq as a replacement for the discontinued Orange Line servicing Washington st from Downtown to Dudley Sq. July 20, 2002 (Washington Street).
December 17, 2004 (Waterfront)
Some parts of the silver line run in mixed traffic
@@VanishingUnderground Thank you for not calling the Silver Line BRT and for excluding the SL4/5 bus that MBTA insists is rapid transit. There is actually one other bit of dedicated busway on the Silver Line, though. A short dedicated ROW runs in East Boston from just north of Airport to just south of where SL3 crosses the river. There are no stops on this segment, so its omission isn't a huge deal.
@@andrew_ray but just imagine if the T extends the Silver Line tunnel past South Station merging all five Silver Line routes and bypassing the traffic mess in Downtown.
Could we get a Toronto streetcar evolution
can you do one for SEPTA next?
One omission is that trolleys and now buses have always gone underground to serve Harvard Station, but otherwise very good!
somewhat confusingly, the mbta has begun converting bits and pieces of its traditional bus routes into busway segments without any name change indicating such. would’ve been hell to map I’m sure but could’ve been added
That’s right, there is no Terminal D at Logan Airport (there used to be, but it was consolidated into Terminal C)
So in the 30s we had a South and North Station connection but we still dont have one today
wish they would’ve kept the elevated lines as some sort of branch or even their own lines
Why is the SL so incomplete? I rode it extensively in 2019.
Why does the end of the E branch not say Heath?
Bravo! Well done!
An American city that didn't lose it's streetcars?! I had no idea.
I guess you dropped the cool theme music because of the length. Hope to hear it next time. The vid was still worth the wait, though.
It started getting copyright claimed unfortunately
@@VanishingUnderground well that sux ☹️ Are the claims legit?
Yeah - it’s always been copyrighted but UA-cam’s systems didn’t start picking it up until recently. Had a feeling this day would come eventually though, so I’ve been working on a new intro that should be out sometime soon
@@VanishingUnderground Oh, I thought you'd had it made for the vids-it's so appropriate for the subject matter.
And you're lucky it took so long for it to be targeted. When my dad died and I recorded the funeral, UA-cam muted the sound for the entire vid THE NEXT DAY, because the music played at the beginning of the actual funeral was copyrighted. Far-away family were unable to hear what was said. My opinion of this platform has never recovered.
20:00 - oh how optimistic we all were about this timeline
it happened in december ------- 2022 lol
Hey Zach what happened to your intro music before the bell ring
Started getting copyright claimed unfortunately
Oh man sorry to hear that my friend but still love your channel stay strong
You should bring back the intro!
What « row» means in the left lower corner ?
Right of way - basically describes an off-street corridor
Not much to update but i think an update to the video is needed.
You should do Berlin. Historically very interesting.
I hope they open one of my favorite stations that wasn’t built / Boston Square/ d st
Main thing I know about Boston is that their transit system uses the same colours as my home town.
Chicago?
Actually Schenectady New York at the first Subway
the problem is that there are not many large grocery stores in boston despite huge population. it seem they are concentrated in on part and not disperesed everywhere.
Used to ride it a lot.
I did this first btw. Also one mistake: Columbia and JFKumass are 2 different stations with Colombia closing first and JFKumasss Being an replacement
Can you do Philadelphia?
Part 2 pls
The decision back in the 30s to remove the link between North And South Stations wax so bad, they have been regretting ever since. I can understand a gap that was never built, but to deliberately remove a linked section without a suitable replacement is unforgivable. They are STILL trying to recreate that link between the two major train stations that serve Boston. Similarly, in New York City, there is still no subway link between Grand Central and Fenn Station. What were these railroad moguls thinking? Was it a competition type of thing?
Back in the day, yes it was a competition thing.
Saying it serves 3.1 million people makes it sound like you’re saying the population is that, when its actually closer to 500k depending on the time of year (we have 100k students about leave)
Good one 👍
I hate whoever took away that extension into brighton in 1949 if they had kept that around I would have been on time to so many more things