Marvel Rivals: We made all sorts of unique looking heroes. Marvel Avengers: Guy with shield, guy with bow, big guy, guy with hammer, girl that looks like guy.
The joke before it became obvious of their other intentions was that the game looked like it was filled with the stunt doubles or Dollar store knockoffs of the MCU version. That's the problem with even trying to base your characters off of actual people playing certain parts when you can just do what rivals did and make awesome original versions. Avengers always look like a soulless cash grab anyway.
@ well I think they failed ngl not to mention I saw someone say how the creators seemed to not understand human anatomy and honestly kinda have to agree
they look exactly like designers were underpaid and forced to make woke trash that flopped so hard people remembered it only when superior game came out
Honestly it looks like marvel avengers just wanted to save money and used the same character skeleton for all the chars and just slapped another mesh on them lmao
Even the MCU version - closest thing to "real" you can get, look better than the Avengers game. I don't think anyone would complain if they just copy-pasted Robert Downie Jr.'s face and body structure on Iron Man or Chris Hemsworth on Thor because it's so synonymous at this point.
I’ve been literally saying that for years. For some reason here in the west, they value photorealism and realistic characters over art, beauty and artistic expression. This is why every female character that now comes out in a western AAA game looks awful and angry.
What happened is obvious: Square Enix tried to go for a realistic look to match the movies, and failed; while Marvel Rivals chose to go for a stylized look in the vein of the DCAU, and succeeded. Uncanny Valley 101.
i can prove that take to being wrong: half-life 2 from 2004 has clear visual differences between men and women they didn't go for "realistic" look they went for woke look and it costed them a game that could have been amazing
@@NegativeDumpster Rivals is developed by Netease in China, so Western DEI consulting firms like Sweet Baby Inc had no chance of ruining it. Avengers looks like it went through several rounds of DEI consulting to make the characters less "problematic".
@ryszakowy Half-Life 2 would be an example of a game that went for realistic and succeeded, for me. And yes, much of it is due to catering to the woke crowd; Half-Life 2's cast is mostly various scientists and normal people, so having someone as attractive as Alyx in there just raises our opinion of the world. Whereas the Avengers are supposed to look like, well, Gods, so the "average Walmart enjoyer" look just makes us pity everyone else. That's why it failed, a realistic depiction of someone like Scarlett Johannson or Chris Hemsworth would've been appropriate, but by messing the "fantasy casting" they made the impression that their world is even uglier than ours.
@@fluxmuldar Netease has the same diversity hiring policy that western developers have. You can find it in their job postings on their website where the postings tout the diversity of the team. What went wrong with avengers is they tried to ape the looks of the movie characters but had to be distinct enough to avoid having to pay for likeness rights and absolutely nothing to do with DEI or consulting firms. You are being lied to and manipulated by people who trust you not to think to critically about what they say. They are trusting that they can show you something good and say it's good because it doesn't have something you don't like and contrast it with something bad and say it's bad because it does have that thing you don't like then assume you'll just trust them without actually looking into their claims.
But also it's okay to reject censorship and Marvel Rivals' chat censors in blatant favour of China/CCP. You can't say certain things (and I'm not talking about censoring insults or slurs, I mean saying stuff like "Free T aiwan" and stuff like that). But you CAN say other things, eg. regarding Palestine. Personally, not a fan of that kind of stuff.
tbf its all stylized in rivals, it looks more like true to comic rather than MCU. I can understand them needing more grounded designs for the "realistic" acesthetic but they really needed to adjust the scale. It also doesn't excuse the lack of creativity in costume design.
That's exactly what i felt back in 2019. When i saw Marvel Avengers for the first time, it looked like they got some random dudes to wear the costumes. It was off, I would never play a gage with such characters or read a comic book drawn that way... I'm 53, and i have a far better shape than this captain America. This is ridiculous.
If men and women can have each other's parts and figures, then why do these people keep demanding swap characters? Oh right. Because their whole ideology doesn't make sense.
The gender swap only goes in one direction. Think about this: as much as I would want to have a male version of Storm (to fit my D&D character, Daoud, the Thunderchild), the wokistas would howl to the moon at how sexist it is to make female characters male.
They understand it very well actually, but you see, in art and design, there's a thing called *style* , Wich in other words means that they exaggerate certain things to make the characters look better
You know what a body type 1 or 2 is for me? Body type 1 is the short and thin body option in swtor and body type 2 is the normal body option in swtor XD it even got body type 3 wich is muscle mountain body and body type 4, affectionaly called THICC body in swtor
This is me, like Monster Hunter has a similar naming style with voices and hair styles. Now, I do think in the newer games they have male/female be type 1/2 but I mean, the customization comes from the weapons and armor in than game, not your body type. But you *will* be hearing your character's voice a lot, especially when you get hit.
But for the majority I agree with you, Male and Female bodies should be the "top" of the "body tree," and "type" should be different types of said male/female bodies, like petite or muscular or whatever in between.
I remember bickering with someone in gen chat on SWTOR way back in the day where they insisted for the female shapes, 1 was underage, 2 was anorexic, 3 was muscles, and 4 was average/normal. It left me with the sense that people were forgetting what constitutes a normal body shape.
The Avengers version of Hulk has a special hidden power. The more he eats, the faster his stomach escalates and the more fat he gathers in his body. Later on, he dropped his heroic career and decided to become a professional speed food eater.
Natural diversity is better then dei, it should be their own decision and passion that results in that not just cause some consultant like Sweet baby tells someone too, and it should be an original ip as well not forcing it into a beloved ip
And hopefully people just don't automatically assume diversity in a game = DEI or Woke, forced diversity is not the same as Natural Diversity, in fact diversity in gamers have nothing to do with the so called modern audience , everyone is pissed at Dei cause it leaves games a buggy lackluster mess
@@BlanknightskyYep. The DEI folks are racist, sexist, xenophobic, and sometimes even homophobic hippocrits who use minority groups as spears to satisfy their selfish desire for control and superiority. They don't actually care about genuine diversity or inclusivity (and equity is essentially a useless term).
what about the people that want to feel represented in gaming. take like some random lgbtq dating sim targeted at that audience. surely you have to at the very least agree that that has a place in gaming.
It’s funny how they claim to care about « inclusivity and representation » yet aren’t bothered with excluding attractive women and other demographics they don’t like. "Anyone more attractive or interesting than i am is OFFENSIVE because i said so!"
they are and pretty much always have been. marvels avengers certaintly wasn't trying to "push an ideology" it was just trying to make all the money with some live service crap.
Marvel Avengers looks like it used bad 3d models of the movie characters, while Marvel Rivals ignored the movies so it could lean more heavily into the comic book feel. I don't care one way or the other about DEI in games, this is just an example of bad game design vs good game design.
The thing I find interesting is that women cry when the female characters are hot because they think it is unattainable. Meanwhile, men think it is cool when the male characters are super strong and large, literally unattainable for the majority. It is the complete opposite.
It isn't even as if normal women are really against sexy designs. Some women may whine about unrealistic beauty standards but most would still rather play as a hot chick in Marvel Rivals than as the body type Bs in Concord.
According to some recent surveys, most women prefer to play as beautiful women because it makes them feel more pretty. The opinion you describe mostly comes from the loud minority, many of them activists.
To give some credit to the avengers game, kinda makes sense they look depressed given the context in that game was that the avengers broke up over a big argument before the start of the game. Whole game was about the stretchy girl bringing them all back together.
They don't need to gender swap because Marvel already has separate established characters to pull from like She Hulk for the Hulk. Also not to overlook the obvious, gender swap characters would still be designed in the quality Marvel Rivals characters design.
I forgot about that Avengers game. Mostly because they made it "The Spectacular, bestest, super awesomeist Kamala Kahn, and her side kicks." And Nobody cares about Kamala Kahan over any other Marvel character. Man, realistic graphics have been a detriment to Gaming. Marvel Ultimate Alliance is probably the best looking in the series in my opinion, but, the gameplay is very watered down.
I'm kind of surprised you're not familiar with this. Crystal Dynamics developed the _Marvel's Avengers_ game, and they tried to sneak in a remodel of Black Widow that made her look like a man. Specifically with a gigantic man jaw. Google around for images which made apt comparisons with Lord Farquaad. The backlash was so severe that they were forced to fix her, which was of course perfectly within the scope of their artistic talent-that was never the issue. And far more recently they pulled _the same exact stunt_ with the protagonist of _Perfect Dark,_ which they are currently developing. She now has a mega jaw, just like Black Widow used to. This time, I doubt they'll be forced to retract the design. You really should do a complete expose on this because I haven't yet seen any influencer make the connection and directly compare the "man jaw" examples between _Marvel's Avengers_ and the upcoming _Perfect Dark._ I feel like it would be useful for more people to understand what Crystal Dynamics keeps pushing for with the properties that have been put into their care.
Funny thing that comes to mind for me: If they did do a full set of genderswapped alt skins for sale? I bet you most of the sales would be in a single direction, and we all know which one.
I am willing to accept the chinese censorship when they don't censor what matters for the game... Meanwhile the square one censors every reason it could possibly be chosen. Rivals makes everyone feel like an actual hero, with a heroic design. Avengers feels like garbage cosplay.
I honestly think genderswapped heroes could have been funny if done purely for the hell of it "haha look male blackwidow", but people like 5:24 just taints the whole concept.. (the steam OP, not the twitter one.) It has nothing to do with "fixing" anything because nothing is broken, it would just have been funny to have.
Thought about Playing Marvels Avengers way back when but as soon as I found out they had that failure of a comic book character as the main attraction I noped out. Then I heard how bad the game was and was glad I never picked it up.
I got it because my friend begged me to get it for co-op reasons, we played a whole 1 evening of co-op and that was it, no one wanted to go for a 2nd session. As for the game itself, it's not bad, just woefully mediocre. Like the gameplay could work if the story was good. As for miss muslim, no one played the game to play as her. Her powers are just a lame version of mr. Fantastics powers.
@@Nuinwing I get that, friend needed my help with a Payday 3 stream she was sponsored to do and I had never touched the series in my life. Actually did have fun though and bought Payday 2 as well, found out too why people didnt like Payday 3 as much xD
The art is fine in avengers it's certainly not gonna win awards but it's fine rivals looks better cause it's comic book, they're the characters we know. The biggest issue with avengers game is it was really bad so ofc people are going to compare the really good game to the really bad one but DEI art isn't what made avengers bad the gameplay and the writing is what did it in.
The problem is that nowadays it's impossible if something is bait or genuine because I've seen far worse things said (even in person) that were 100% genuine. Sure, this case is pretty obvious, though it's still not impossible for it to be genuine Never underestimate human stupidity
Yeah, don't get me wrong, the Rivals ones look very cartoony, but I mean... Literally the point, they're comic characters, they're allowed to look cartoony. The Avengers ones just look like Wish cosplays. And Black Panther looked like a feline gimp suit... 0-0 Also, quick edit: That second bit is bait BUT if it wasn't obviously bait, that'd be possible given some of the heroes do have female versions. Thor, Spiderman, Wolverine, even Rocket has a female. They'd make alright alternate costumes, but if people are gonna make posts like that online it'll destroy any hope of that happening.
Avengers really was a fail in Art direction. All male characters look like they were maid from the same 3d model and each character gets uglier the more he differs from the base
Even if Netease was willing to make r63 versions, there is no way the activists would be happy about it because the designs would all be sexy in the traditional sense.
I don't think the designs in Marvel Avengers are result from DEI policy, sure the designs look bad, but I think the main reason for it is because they are following the design from MCU to attract customers, which are more mainstream during that time, but they're also can not use any actors face to avoid pay more
I really hate it when marvel is a head of DC comics. After all, marvel is a reason why DEI and E.S.G. exist because of their association with Disney. If wonder brothers, get their heads out of their ass, and abandon E.S.G. and DEI while hiring people who actually loves the comics and rebellious enough to introduce sexy designs then DC can outcompete marvel once again.
screw DEI, Marvel Rivals is fantastic. I'm not going to lie to you, TenCent (NetEase) has literally never given af when it comes to cosmetics. They're probably the most inclusive and accidentally diverse gaming company I've ever seen. In SMITE, Aphrodite has a skin literally called "Aphro-dite" where she's an 80's black disco woman with an afro, there's a white skinned version of this cosmetic as well, and both of them are REALLY cool. I love how they've just never cared when it comes to cosmetics, but when it comes to character design, they are ON TOP for sure
While the argument about “needing” gender-swapped characters is a steaming pile of 💩, gender swapped alternative costumes could actually be interesting Also certain characters already have gender swapped “versions” of themselves so those characters could find their way into the game through this
what's really funny is that the Rivals skin they used to compare to Thor is actually a skin for Captain America and it still makes a better looking Thor lol
Marvel Avengers where men look like young boys, and women look like grown men. 10/10 from IGN. Lmaoing @ that forum post. "Hello, I believe I speak for the large part of the community." I have 2 questions: Is the community in the room with us right now? Or have you forgotten to take your medication today? Steam forums can be absolute reddit tier since the awards introduction.
gonna remain kinda neutral and say that it's really just the art style here one game goes for the comic vibe and one goes for the movie vibe - now you can prefer one or the other but i will say that i prefer the comic/marvel rivals one personally now... overall? yeah marvel rivals got the best designs by far but i think it really is a matter of art style for a lot of it - again... it's the whole comic hero vibe they give off
Hero Hei you can use your loki clone for rollouts, your right click places a clone and does not go on cooldown. That way you can roll out to point and use your clone, and your cloak to get backup immediately. Also having 2 of your healing AOEs in one spot makes you immortal to most incomming damage, and having 3 overlapping makes you immune to entire teams' worth of damage, only able to be killed with 1 shot. Aggressive Loki is super fun to play, and doesnt lose the healing element either since your main attacks are AOE
7:00 I dont really want them to go down the awkward slippery slope of gender swapping characters that canonically identify as 1 gender, however I would enjoy a bit more male options for the Support Role, and more female options for the Tank Role.
4:25 "shitting on a game that came out 4 years before yours", dude UMVC3 came out 2011-ish and it has better designs than that 2020 game, might be just me getting nostalgic or biased tho.
To play devil's avocado, I do think the Marvel Avengers designs are at a bit of a disadvantage because they're just standing there, all in the one same pose. I wonder if the designs would have looked better with more dynamic posing?
That is why stylized art is video games will always age better. Those Avenger designs from the Marvel Avengers game suffer from photorealistic graphics. It just look uncanny and lame.
How the hell is everybody making the same mistake, the barbarian Nordic skin isn't Thor, it's just another captain America skin. I think you're the 7th person I've seen talk about this and call it Thor. The Thor skin in game is actually awesome as hell too.
Did the person making that post and I realized that the the game already has a gender swap character in Penni Parker. And the only way we're getting any others or as skins for the other characters or they have a moose set or character design that is so distinct unique and is popular enough that they can become their own character in the game like Penni did. A character that's a gender swap version of a Marvel character that I think could get into the game is Necroko, aka magical girl Venom
And we're gonna keep rejecting DEI! 💪
The Twitter side of it?
DEI omedetou! 🎉🎊🥳🚔
Yes!!
Right! ✊
They're Nazis.😂
Marvel Rivals: We made all sorts of unique looking heroes.
Marvel Avengers: Guy with shield, guy with bow, big guy, guy with hammer, girl that looks like guy.
"Marvel Guy"
Rivals made them look unique and feel like characters plucked out of stylized comic books
Heck the MVP pauses them in the comic book style
The joke before it became obvious of their other intentions was that the game looked like it was filled with the stunt doubles or Dollar store knockoffs of the MCU version. That's the problem with even trying to base your characters off of actual people playing certain parts when you can just do what rivals did and make awesome original versions. Avengers always look like a soulless cash grab anyway.
it is funny, If it was DEI that fueled, those designs they were far less diverse and inclusive than the Rivals cast.
@dizzyheads the dream sales that marvel wanted but west can't seem to do it properly, too much messaging than passion of the product.
The Avengers designs just look... Sad
They look bland especially the winter soldier he looks like some dude with a gun and a metal arm nothing special
The Avengers designs look like they were trying to make them look like the MCU actors.
@ well I think they failed ngl not to mention I saw someone say how the creators seemed to not understand human anatomy and honestly kinda have to agree
they look exactly like designers were underpaid and forced to make woke trash that flopped so hard people remembered it only when superior game came out
Yeah
Honestly it looks like marvel avengers just wanted to save money and used the same character skeleton for all the chars and just slapped another mesh on them lmao
Peak AAA game
1:49
Iron Deficiency Man
Brain deficiency, too
I know right?
Honestly, he looks...rusted and dull so 'rusted man' or 'dull man' should work.
He's a disgrace to other Iron Man variants
2:57 Black Pantry
@@szeltovivarsydroxan9944 Black Pantsy
@@Kol-r1uTarnished Man
Holy mother of god black panther looks like a budget cut Batman from Bollywood I’m so glad marvel rivals did him justice.
I thought the gray Hulk was an alt skin for that Concord chonker
Right, Avengers Hulk likes kinda more fat than buff
Gray Hulk has been a thing in the comics since he was introduced
The Incre-Daw-ble Bulk
I can't ignore that fat belly lol
Stylization trumps realism, always.
If they want realism, the MCU exists
If they wanted realism, they should've worked with Mortal Kombat devs for the designs lol
Damn right.
If I wanted realism I'd step outside, considering how often I go outside, I clearly _don't_ want realism.
Even the MCU version - closest thing to "real" you can get, look better than the Avengers game. I don't think anyone would complain if they just copy-pasted Robert Downie Jr.'s face and body structure on Iron Man or Chris Hemsworth on Thor because it's so synonymous at this point.
I’ve been literally saying that for years. For some reason here in the west, they value photorealism and realistic characters over art, beauty and artistic expression. This is why every female character that now comes out in a western AAA game looks awful and angry.
What happened is obvious: Square Enix tried to go for a realistic look to match the movies, and failed; while Marvel Rivals chose to go for a stylized look in the vein of the DCAU, and succeeded. Uncanny Valley 101.
If one assumes DEI wasn't involved, that's probably the most plausible explanation of what went wrong there.
i can prove that take to being wrong:
half-life 2 from 2004 has clear visual differences between men and women
they didn't go for "realistic" look
they went for woke look
and it costed them a game that could have been amazing
@@NegativeDumpster Rivals is developed by Netease in China, so Western DEI consulting firms like Sweet Baby Inc had no chance of ruining it. Avengers looks like it went through several rounds of DEI consulting to make the characters less "problematic".
@ryszakowy Half-Life 2 would be an example of a game that went for realistic and succeeded, for me.
And yes, much of it is due to catering to the woke crowd; Half-Life 2's cast is mostly various scientists and normal people, so having someone as attractive as Alyx in there just raises our opinion of the world.
Whereas the Avengers are supposed to look like, well, Gods, so the "average Walmart enjoyer" look just makes us pity everyone else. That's why it failed, a realistic depiction of someone like Scarlett Johannson or Chris Hemsworth would've been appropriate, but by messing the "fantasy casting" they made the impression that their world is even uglier than ours.
@@fluxmuldar Netease has the same diversity hiring policy that western developers have. You can find it in their job postings on their website where the postings tout the diversity of the team. What went wrong with avengers is they tried to ape the looks of the movie characters but had to be distinct enough to avoid having to pay for likeness rights and absolutely nothing to do with DEI or consulting firms.
You are being lied to and manipulated by people who trust you not to think to critically about what they say. They are trusting that they can show you something good and say it's good because it doesn't have something you don't like and contrast it with something bad and say it's bad because it does have that thing you don't like then assume you'll just trust them without actually looking into their claims.
1:43 that’s not Thor, that’s Captain America. Very understandable why you thought he was Thor.
So many people who were commenting on this comparison makes the same mistake. I mean the giant Shield should be the clue who it is.
@@KenDraken11
Yeah but there's no hammer or lightning
Remember guys, it is always morally correct to reject DEI slop
it's a duty to human race to refuse and remove dei crap
based
Let them do it so they can go bankrupt.
But also it's okay to reject censorship and Marvel Rivals' chat censors in blatant favour of China/CCP. You can't say certain things (and I'm not talking about censoring insults or slurs, I mean saying stuff like "Free T aiwan" and stuff like that). But you CAN say other things, eg. regarding Palestine. Personally, not a fan of that kind of stuff.
Taiwan is just an unofficial NATO outpost to have American warships patrol the fudging South CHINA Sea.
It's look like all characters in Marvel Avengers are full of depression.
Considering they have to follow the obnoxious "hero" of Kamala Kahn around, I can't blame for being depressed.
3:29 the hulk on the bottom looks like he had too many bean burritos and skips every other work out.
The avengers hulk looks like a 47 year old WWE wrestler who ruined his career with alcoholism
tbf its all stylized in rivals, it looks more like true to comic rather than MCU. I can understand them needing more grounded designs for the "realistic" acesthetic but they really needed to adjust the scale. It also doesn't excuse the lack of creativity in costume design.
That's exactly what i felt back in 2019. When i saw Marvel Avengers for the first time, it looked like they got some random dudes to wear the costumes. It was off, I would never play a gage with such characters or read a comic book drawn that way...
I'm 53, and i have a far better shape than this captain America. This is ridiculous.
If men and women can have each other's parts and figures, then why do these people keep demanding swap characters?
Oh right. Because their whole ideology doesn't make sense.
The gender swap only goes in one direction. Think about this: as much as I would want to have a male version of Storm (to fit my D&D character, Daoud, the Thunderchild), the wokistas would howl to the moon at how sexist it is to make female characters male.
There's feminine looking men
And there's masculine looking woman who are naturally like that
Marvel have been gender swapping character since long time ago and it works. At this point it's just pandering to people who won't even play the game.
Same thing would happen with race swapping, can't make Storm white but making Rouge black, that's okay
@@davidford3115 To be fair, Fate series was doing gender swaps before it was woke.
I feel like the marvel avengers devs don’t understand human anatomy.
Must be how you turn out if you start hormone blockers early?
Obviously not, they only understand their own self insert anatomy lol
They understand it very well actually, but you see, in art and design, there's a thing called *style* , Wich in other words means that they exaggerate certain things to make the characters look better
Shiiiiit, ik sorry bro, I thought you said marvel rivals
, I'm not deleting the comment tho, kinda funny
@@Notabot101 and I am not mad cause I agree marvel rivals has style while marvel avengers has none
You know what a body type 1 or 2 is for me? Body type 1 is the short and thin body option in swtor and body type 2 is the normal body option in swtor XD it even got body type 3 wich is muscle mountain body and body type 4, affectionaly called THICC body in swtor
This is me, like Monster Hunter has a similar naming style with voices and hair styles. Now, I do think in the newer games they have male/female be type 1/2 but I mean, the customization comes from the weapons and armor in than game, not your body type. But you *will* be hearing your character's voice a lot, especially when you get hit.
But for the majority I agree with you, Male and Female bodies should be the "top" of the "body tree," and "type" should be different types of said male/female bodies, like petite or muscular or whatever in between.
Genuinely the best form of this.
I remember bickering with someone in gen chat on SWTOR way back in the day where they insisted for the female shapes, 1 was underage, 2 was anorexic, 3 was muscles, and 4 was average/normal. It left me with the sense that people were forgetting what constitutes a normal body shape.
@@MSinistrari yeah, i've had this issue as well considering I was playing on rp server and peoples are wayy bigger dumdum on them XD
Thor looking like a soul calibur custom character in Avengers
In every single survey I filled I made sure to put ''it does not cater to the woke ideology'' as one of the main reasons I enjoy the game
Man, really did Panther dirty in Avengers. And Hulk looking like he was on the couch for ten years.
The Avengers version of Hulk has a special hidden power. The more he eats, the faster his stomach escalates and the more fat he gathers in his body. Later on, he dropped his heroic career and decided to become a professional speed food eater.
To sum up, stylized triumphs over realism any day of the week
DEI has no place in gaming, NO EXCEPTIONS. Make Characters worth a crap instead of forcing them in because of DEI Slop...
Natural diversity is better then dei, it should be their own decision and passion that results in that not just cause some consultant like Sweet baby tells someone too, and it should be an original ip as well not forcing it into a beloved ip
And hopefully people just don't automatically assume diversity in a game = DEI or Woke, forced diversity is not the same as Natural Diversity, in fact diversity in gamers have nothing to do with the so called modern audience , everyone is pissed at Dei cause it leaves games a buggy lackluster mess
@@BlanknightskyYep. The DEI folks are racist, sexist, xenophobic, and sometimes even homophobic hippocrits who use minority groups as spears to satisfy their selfish desire for control and superiority. They don't actually care about genuine diversity or inclusivity (and equity is essentially a useless term).
what about the people that want to feel represented in gaming. take like some random lgbtq dating sim targeted at that audience. surely you have to at the very least agree that that has a place in gaming.
It’s funny how they claim to care about « inclusivity and representation » yet aren’t bothered with excluding attractive women and other demographics they don’t like.
"Anyone more attractive or interesting than i am is OFFENSIVE because i said so!"
I'm getting tired of it. I like hot men and women. Why can't I have what I want without DEI trying to denounce it?
nobody on the planet is more racist and intolerant than left trash screaming about inclusivity and representation
The avengers characters don't even look bad, per say, they just look incomplete. Like they're missing the final phase of design that makes them pop.
Honestly I don’t mind some of them, but the proportions were wonky, especially on Black Panther, the dude looks like he got into a car accident. 😭
Luna Snow so cool, cute, funny and sexy!
Games should be made for entertainment, not for pushing ideologies.
entertainment has always been hijacked to push agendas.
they are and pretty much always have been. marvels avengers certaintly wasn't trying to "push an ideology" it was just trying to make all the money with some live service crap.
3:24 Lord Farquad
"I speak for the large community" this guy is a fish in a toilet bowl
Marvel Avengers looks like it used bad 3d models of the movie characters, while Marvel Rivals ignored the movies so it could lean more heavily into the comic book feel. I don't care one way or the other about DEI in games, this is just an example of bad game design vs good game design.
Ironic, since it used off-shoot not based on the movie avangers to save money 😂
2:34 Hawkeye in Rivals looks sick with those shades, wdym?
The thing I find interesting is that women cry when the female characters are hot because they think it is unattainable. Meanwhile, men think it is cool when the male characters are super strong and large, literally unattainable for the majority. It is the complete opposite.
It isn't even as if normal women are really against sexy designs. Some women may whine about unrealistic beauty standards but most would still rather play as a hot chick in Marvel Rivals than as the body type Bs in Concord.
True me looking at Jonathan Joestar or Guts from Beserk, or Kenshiro or Senator Steven Amrstrong with Nanomachines or Solid Snake.
According to some recent surveys, most women prefer to play as beautiful women because it makes them feel more pretty. The opinion you describe mostly comes from the loud minority, many of them activists.
In a survey it was revealed woman like hot woman, not the jealous offspring of modern devs
To give some credit to the avengers game, kinda makes sense they look depressed given the context in that game was that the avengers broke up over a big argument before the start of the game. Whole game was about the stretchy girl bringing them all back together.
@1:42 That's Captain America in a Gladiator skin. The shield speaks for itself.
They don't need to gender swap because Marvel already has separate established characters to pull from like She Hulk for the Hulk.
Also not to overlook the obvious, gender swap characters would still be designed in the quality Marvel Rivals characters design.
I forgot about that Avengers game. Mostly because they made it "The Spectacular, bestest, super awesomeist Kamala Kahn, and her side kicks." And Nobody cares about Kamala Kahan over any other Marvel character.
Man, realistic graphics have been a detriment to Gaming. Marvel Ultimate Alliance is probably the best looking in the series in my opinion, but, the gameplay is very watered down.
I'm kind of surprised you're not familiar with this. Crystal Dynamics developed the _Marvel's Avengers_ game, and they tried to sneak in a remodel of Black Widow that made her look like a man. Specifically with a gigantic man jaw. Google around for images which made apt comparisons with Lord Farquaad. The backlash was so severe that they were forced to fix her, which was of course perfectly within the scope of their artistic talent-that was never the issue. And far more recently they pulled _the same exact stunt_ with the protagonist of _Perfect Dark,_ which they are currently developing. She now has a mega jaw, just like Black Widow used to. This time, I doubt they'll be forced to retract the design.
You really should do a complete expose on this because I haven't yet seen any influencer make the connection and directly compare the "man jaw" examples between _Marvel's Avengers_ and the upcoming _Perfect Dark._ I feel like it would be useful for more people to understand what Crystal Dynamics keeps pushing for with the properties that have been put into their care.
Funny thing that comes to mind for me: If they did do a full set of genderswapped alt skins for sale? I bet you most of the sales would be in a single direction, and we all know which one.
Avenger's game Hulk design is barely a step up from Eric Cartman's Halloween costume, 'the green Honey Boo Boo'.
everyone in rivals is SO HOT
Based.
Even the raccoon
@guesta9822 i mean
a little bit
if he were human sized then yeah
DEI goblins have a problem with hips
And the funny part is the shill karens (especially on Reddit) are getting so mad about it.. then calling us the cry babies 😂😂😂
5:35 if you have this mind set delete your steam account and never touch games or any media ever
Welcome to the internet
I am willing to accept the chinese censorship when they don't censor what matters for the game... Meanwhile the square one censors every reason it could possibly be chosen. Rivals makes everyone feel like an actual hero, with a heroic design. Avengers feels like garbage cosplay.
DEI = Doesn't earn income. The modern audience never shows up.
baldurs gate 3 was banging and even won GOTY and pacific drive was a real fun time. Really it's: bad games = Doesn't earn income
I honestly think genderswapped heroes could have been funny if done purely for the hell of it "haha look male blackwidow", but people like 5:24 just taints the whole concept.. (the steam OP, not the twitter one.)
It has nothing to do with "fixing" anything because nothing is broken, it would just have been funny to have.
Thought about Playing Marvels Avengers way back when but as soon as I found out they had that failure of a comic book character as the main attraction I noped out. Then I heard how bad the game was and was glad I never picked it up.
I got it because my friend begged me to get it for co-op reasons, we played a whole 1 evening of co-op and that was it, no one wanted to go for a 2nd session.
As for the game itself, it's not bad, just woefully mediocre. Like the gameplay could work if the story was good.
As for miss muslim, no one played the game to play as her. Her powers are just a lame version of mr. Fantastics powers.
@@Nuinwing I get that, friend needed my help with a Payday 3 stream she was sponsored to do and I had never touched the series in my life. Actually did have fun though and bought Payday 2 as well, found out too why people didnt like Payday 3 as much xD
as soon as i saw the ai profile pic for 7bitbrian i knew we were about to hear some garbage.
LOL Hulk has a dad bod in Avengers.
The art is fine in avengers it's certainly not gonna win awards but it's fine rivals looks better cause it's comic book, they're the characters we know. The biggest issue with avengers game is it was really bad so ofc people are going to compare the really good game to the really bad one but DEI art isn't what made avengers bad the gameplay and the writing is what did it in.
Mahvel Rivals has now make video games fun again
The problem is that nowadays it's impossible if something is bait or genuine because I've seen far worse things said (even in person) that were 100% genuine. Sure, this case is pretty obvious, though it's still not impossible for it to be genuine
Never underestimate human stupidity
"we need gender swapped heros in season 1!"
Insert Dr evil "How bout NO!"
I'd argue obvious bait often turns out to be actually meant serious, that's the world we live in
Yeah, don't get me wrong, the Rivals ones look very cartoony, but I mean... Literally the point, they're comic characters, they're allowed to look cartoony. The Avengers ones just look like Wish cosplays.
And Black Panther looked like a feline gimp suit... 0-0 Also, quick edit: That second bit is bait BUT if it wasn't obviously bait, that'd be possible given some of the heroes do have female versions. Thor, Spiderman, Wolverine, even Rocket has a female. They'd make alright alternate costumes, but if people are gonna make posts like that online it'll destroy any hope of that happening.
Gamers cast Vicious Mockery with a nat 20 roll at DEI slop. Meanwhile DEI supporters continuously roll a nat 1 with a -1 modifier.
Avengers really was a fail in Art direction. All male characters look like they were maid from the same 3d model and each character gets uglier the more he differs from the base
Imagine thinking it's discrimination to not get a gender-swapped fictional character in a game... 🤦♀
0:57 holy sh*t, how people like that are even real. What went so wrong in our society
What do you mean that shi goes hard
that first "thor" skin was actually an alt. skin for Captain America and not Thor.
Even if Netease was willing to make r63 versions, there is no way the activists would be happy about it because the designs would all be sexy in the traditional sense.
Rivals' designs are a bit too overly detailed for my taste, but even to me they look a lot more interesting and expressive than the ones in Avengers
0:59 WOW. they even made Mina (the previously cute pride mascot) ugly???
I don't think the designs in Marvel Avengers are result from DEI policy, sure the designs look bad, but I think the main reason for it is because they are following the design from MCU to attract customers, which are more mainstream during that time, but they're also can not use any actors face to avoid pay more
I really hate it when marvel is a head of DC comics. After all, marvel is a reason why DEI and E.S.G. exist because of their association with Disney. If wonder brothers, get their heads out of their ass, and abandon E.S.G. and DEI while hiring people who actually loves the comics and rebellious enough to introduce sexy designs then DC can outcompete marvel once again.
That avenger Hulk looks like he drank a bit too much bud light
One of the reasons Marvel Rivals is successful is the laxk of Khamala Kahn.
screw DEI, Marvel Rivals is fantastic.
I'm not going to lie to you, TenCent (NetEase) has literally never given af when it comes to cosmetics. They're probably the most inclusive and accidentally diverse gaming company I've ever seen. In SMITE, Aphrodite has a skin literally called "Aphro-dite" where she's an 80's black disco woman with an afro, there's a white skinned version of this cosmetic as well, and both of them are REALLY cool. I love how they've just never cared when it comes to cosmetics, but when it comes to character design, they are ON TOP for sure
While the argument about “needing” gender-swapped characters is a steaming pile of 💩, gender swapped alternative costumes could actually be interesting
Also certain characters already have gender swapped “versions” of themselves so those characters could find their way into the game through this
By ‘we want’, who are this we? If I wanted to see a swapped model for hero I would go to certain sites for those.
Rivals designs are undoubtedly an improvement.
what's really funny is that the Rivals skin they used to compare to Thor is actually a skin for Captain America and it still makes a better looking Thor lol
I'd be more interested in it personally if it weren't a PvP shooter. But I'm happy those who like that genre have something.
Marvel Avengers where men look like young boys, and women look like grown men. 10/10 from IGN.
Lmaoing @ that forum post. "Hello, I believe I speak for the large part of the community." I have 2 questions: Is the community in the room with us right now? Or have you forgotten to take your medication today? Steam forums can be absolute reddit tier since the awards introduction.
gonna remain kinda neutral and say that it's really just the art style here
one game goes for the comic vibe and one goes for the movie vibe - now you can prefer one or the other but i will say that i prefer the comic/marvel rivals one personally
now... overall? yeah marvel rivals got the best designs by far but i think it really is a matter of art style for a lot of it - again... it's the whole comic hero vibe they give off
what does this have to do with dei
Literally nothing, it's a grift
That title lol. This is embarrassing, man
Lara Croft has definitely been toned down and more flat with much more clothing layers.
Hero Hei you can use your loki clone for rollouts, your right click places a clone and does not go on cooldown. That way you can roll out to point and use your clone, and your cloak to get backup immediately. Also having 2 of your healing AOEs in one spot makes you immortal to most incomming damage, and having 3 overlapping makes you immune to entire teams' worth of damage, only able to be killed with 1 shot.
Aggressive Loki is super fun to play, and doesnt lose the healing element either since your main attacks are AOE
I wrote out my thoughts on each one... but UA-cam immediately deleted it. I guess I said something that doesn't agree with The Message.
7:00 I dont really want them to go down the awkward slippery slope of gender swapping characters that canonically identify as 1 gender, however I would enjoy a bit more male options for the Support Role, and more female options for the Tank Role.
Avengers designs look like halloween customs and i never seen those but once.
At this point that black panther skin should be called out for racism cuz wtf
They're blind to their own racism, so they'll be offended by it
A common thing in DEI designs 🤔
Of course UA-cam deleted my comment
4:25 "shitting on a game that came out 4 years before yours", dude UMVC3 came out 2011-ish and it has better designs than that 2020 game, might be just me getting nostalgic or biased tho.
No no, you're still on a right track
To play devil's avocado, I do think the Marvel Avengers designs are at a bit of a disadvantage because they're just standing there, all in the one same pose. I wonder if the designs would have looked better with more dynamic posing?
When I saw the avengers models for the first time in comparison to rivals, i actually thought it was a character creation in some game
Feels like the people behind Marvel Avengers saw Project Graham and went all "What if The Avengers, but Graham?"
20 bucks says disney pulls the marvel license the moment the contract is up.
That Black Panther design makes me believe that Erebor might be located in Wakanda.
That is why stylized art is video games will always age better. Those Avenger designs from the Marvel Avengers game suffer from photorealistic graphics. It just look uncanny and lame.
I do hope Squeenix is taking notes.
How the hell is everybody making the same mistake, the barbarian Nordic skin isn't Thor, it's just another captain America skin.
I think you're the 7th person I've seen talk about this and call it Thor. The Thor skin in game is actually awesome as hell too.
Thor from MA looked like some dude that escaped from mandatory rehab.
I chuckled so hard when I saw Black Panther. He looks like he's in his mid-30s with a beer belly and a lack of exercise.
Give gamers what they want!
The avengers ones look like if you were trying to make them in another games character creator
I mean they can probably make skins of a multiverse where everyone is just a Rule 63 version of themselves
Did the person making that post and I realized that the the game already has a gender swap character in Penni Parker.
And the only way we're getting any others or as skins for the other characters or they have a moose set or character design that is so distinct unique and is popular enough that they can become their own character in the game like Penni did. A character that's a gender swap version of a Marvel character that I think could get into the game is Necroko, aka magical girl Venom
Hawk Eye looks like Isaac Clake went to spirit halloween for his costume.