Yep, people bring up 9/11 as an excuse... But if count the civilians who died in 9/11 and the ones who died in Iraq killed by US soldiers, the numbers got beaten a lot time ago
I was a paratrooper in Afghanistan in 2009, when this controversy came out. If I had been killed in Afghanistan and someone wanted to make a videogame a few years later about the battle I was killed in, I would feel quite honored. Ask the combat veterans how they feel and ignore everyone else.
@@azizbey4334 Pretty positive that every major terrorist cell has been grinded into sand for the last 40 some odd years. America does what it does quite well, which is the Search and Destroy doctrine of combat. We do the killing, and leave the actual frontline movement to whatever country's Government or Rebel force we are helping
@@Aren-1997 Eeeeh, not really. Six Days in Fallujah (2021) is on a different engine and only started being made in 2016, while the original was made over a decade ago.
The mainstream media that doesn't play video games got mad. I garuntee that if this had been a movie, nobody would have cared, it might have even been praised.
The Mainstream media is shit even on informing and they wonder why people go to UA-cam instead of them on a side note UA-cam is being dick to real historian on UA-cam ghost time history, WWII channel, and recently The armchair historian go demonetize
@@tobitaktlos3241 yeah but how many of those movies were realized while the actually war was happening. I’m not defending the detractors by any means just saying it was poor timing
Mainstream media is linked with Hollywood to secretly push their agendas through movies. They haven't taken over video games yet. So they're mad, they don't get to tell the story.
Its stupid. The soldiers were all for the game and thats all that matters. Everyone else complaining about the game should have had no say in what happens
civilians are sheltered idiots that have more to say than anyone with experience. And the worst part, our four star generals get questioned by some IDIOT democrat congresswoman whos only there to push a femanist agenda and the bitch doesnt know shit about military.
@@koltred im a civi and i can only assume how intense war is today. I want this to live vicariously through these strong men. The weaklings from california and satanic hollywood need to see this.
you could easily make this today. Look at the new call of duty, arma 3, spec ops the line, and even squad. Not to mention insurgency sandstorm. THis game would be great today if remastered graphically to todays standards
To be honest it doesn't look that impressive to me but if any game devs would like to pick it up and release it titled as: Six Days then yes definitely. (Yes that is a 13 hours reference)
Exactly. If call of duty can release a game that makes people shoot hundreds of innocent civilians in an airport, then they can make a informative game based on true events. I mean shit, if they wanted to be petty for all the backlash, somebody should release a game that’s almost spot on to Falujah, but say it’s fictional haha
@@imdatnigga9715 one thing to consider is spec ops the line. Phenomenal game, but didn't sell that well. Now it's not exactly the same thing we are talking about here, but more rugged military games don't exactly sell as well as the call of duties or battlefields. The game looks like it would be an amazing ride, but we'll likely never see it released. I don't ever pay for singleplayer games, but if they were to say, remaster on the latest unreal or similar equivalent, I could see myself dropping 30$ on it.
tothedome566 Totally man. I wish there were more realistic single player shooters based on real events that had a budget like CoD or Battlefield. I would happily drop $60 for that. I don’t know if you played it, but I recently played Modern Wafare ‘19 campaign and I thought it was whatever, until I found myself learning about real life military operations and it made me appreciate the shit out of that campaign. It’s almost as if infinity ward researched military ops, and put them into the game. For example we were fighting with Al Queda, in the game your fighting Al Qatala. In the game the country doesn’t know their government is fighting their ally’s like Russia, in real life a Navy SEAL mentioned that nobody believes we’ve been fighting Russia under the radar. Etc etc. Long ass paragraph just to say I wish there were more non-fiction campaigns lmao
You can see how awful "news" reporters and journalists are just by looking at the election and the aftermath still. Many of them undermining democracy and calling even for illegitimate actions such as murder against the president elect. Remeber that?
civilians are sheltered idiots that have more to say than anyone with experience. And the worst part, our four star generals get questioned by some IDIOT democrat congresswoman whos only there to push a femanist agenda and the bitch doesnt know shit about military.
The public wants our servicemen to be known as quivering PTSD people who regret their service. The reality is that many enjoy what they do because the service is honorable and does make a difference, despite MSM propaganda. Warfare is tragic, but to thrive in it you have to be able to learn how to appreciate it's finer points, not be adverse to it. And as tragic as war is, there is nothing worse than surrendering without a fight. Most notable situation of that was known as the holocaust.
2DGorillaz22 Disregarding how Iraqis may feel about this, of course. Maybe they don't like making the destruction of their country and deaths of their families into a game.
Its too bad that everyone will criticize anything to the fullest extent, even if theres no rationale behind it. Should have just released it and slapped on a "Not a real depiction of war" fucking, obviously. People are retarded.
Chances are, if the title and the game premise had the names changed just a bit (claiming only to be "loosely inspired" by the events of the battle, it could had been released especially now. CoD portrayed killing civilians in Russia and the assassination of a Fidel Castro double and while both were controversial, those games ended up being released as they were.
@Owen Hale I can see what you're trying to say, but Six Days in Fellujah wasn't just going to be a narrative on video games, like SO:TL is. It was going to be a narrative on modern war at best. Even if it wanted to do it directly and/or intentionally.
+TheForgery In Black Ops you kill the clone of Castro. Anyway, its part of history and wasn't relevant anymore like the battle in Fallujah. The execution of civilians in Russia is fictional. Theres no equivalency here.
TheForgery dude I can't believe it all the people sons and daughters that died in ww1 and ww2 they could have easily went after cod and battlefield my goodness that's ridiculous
@@NinesNX maybe but i think this game's main point is to tell the story's of the soldiers that fought there and the people that are hyped are looking for the game they waited for so long to see you know like even if it is bad i mean i'd still get it just to see how it is :) it makes me think about the early day's of gaming when i had my ps2 and i played Black Hawk Down it has that vibe as well
So, making a game that tries to mimic the grey shades of war (also, approved by military veterans) is more offensive than making a game that is all about bullshit conspiracy theories with inflated dramatics?
Yep, even though making bullshit conspiracy theories that only cloud the truth should be considered more offensive just for the sake of preventing the truth from getting out. Pretty sad to be honest.
I remember seeing Six Days in the news back when all the controversy blew up... that was over a decade ago, and I still haven't forgotten this game. I remember a game called Full Spectrum Warrior, a graphic and hard hitting squad based tactical shooter that was set in a fictionalized version of Baghdad with 90% the same backdrop, and it was -FUCKING SPONSORED BY THE US ARMY-... Six Days is set in actual Fallujah, and everybody lost their fucking mind. Double standard if ever there was one.
Six Days In Fallujah is a prime example of the double standard in entertainment media. Movies can cover events that actually happened but games cant because its interactive.
@@foxpopulii380 we can have countless games set in a single era of real history but it becomes a problem when the game tries to cover events that actually happened only a handful of years prior to development of the game even starts. Yeah there's the whole "too soon" thing but some people learn about history better via interactive means.
Al spongebob any civilian killed in fallujah has it coming considered they were warned many times weeks in advance that we were coming, don’t want to leave when your city is about to be put in block 3 warfare that’s your own problem
War is horrible, so is media labeling things just for the controvasy, not knowing what they really are. Great documentary, thanks for the massive amount of effort put into it.
"Game that tackles a real conflict with an actual story and place and help of veterans of that conflict is ligtening the sacrifice of our soldiers! Let's ban it! And oh yeah, these games that make warfare into infinite-respawn multiplayer sport are totally fine." ...people are such idiotic creatures.
because you consider the death of individuals in a war america alledgedly started by lying to the UNand spreading soft power propaganda a legitimate "sacrifice"? In that case you're no smater than they are.
Goobar 57 yeah man if they don’t like it they don’t have to play it, it’s not a damn game for kids. I hope they make something similar to no Russian mission I miss graphic content like that
Poison rather have those going against me then looking like a fool jumping into a convo without grasping what was being discussed...unless you're trolling in fact you do horrible at btw.
The people reporting on it and who appear on the shows aren't buying games to begin with. I agree with you. The actual prospective customers liked what they saw and that's all that should matter. It's always the people that aren't affiliated with something that shoot it down.
yugosss your right that's like asking a movie critic what's a good red wine? that's a question for wine connoisseur. devs should listen to the connoisseur not the random critic
Ghost Recon 1 came out in 2001 and looks and feels very dated, yet is still great and has a lot of charm. People can appreciate it's quirks if the content is good.
As a former Marine myself I wish it would have released. I would love for this game to see the light of day. I would personally try to be the first in line to buy this. The fellow Marines and fellow service members who all participated in the war on terror and paid the ultimate price deserve us to purchase this game as a tribute to them for the sacrifice they made.
Thanks for your service man. Wish I could have been there with you. Recruiters won't talk to me after they find out I've had two heart surgeries. Serving in the military has been my goal since I was a kid, and for all the right reasons. Guess God had other plans.
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@@Cyalagen pussy you wouldn't do shit if he was standing next to you best part is you know you're wrong too lmao
Also it shows us the real story of how war it is, a real experience how it supose to be, games like that are the best. It's not only by how the game and the feeling that gaves me, also of how it teach us of how a war is.
@@Cyalagen You should shut the fuck up. You are not safe behind your monitor all the time. There are many people who can find out who you are and where you live. You better stay low bro.
>Game which uncovers the truth of war that will make one person open their mind about what happens to the said event >Approved by veterans themselves >Is actually trashed >Anti-war group doesn't like depictions of war based on real life >Still unreleased because of anti-war group Man. This is a shitty millenia we live in. These sensitive ass needs to stop.
I remember 2006-2007 tons and tons of raw footage from Iraq and Afghanistan were all over UA-cam It was insane to see battles or fights take place literally yesterday than put on UA-cam for anyone to see. I dont necessarily miss those videos but I do miss when UA-cam allowed freedom for thier users...before Google purchased them
Konami's a business, and from a business standpoint (AKA their profits,) they're doing really well. They don't need to care about video games very much since that's not where their money's coming from.
But we were talking about their image in the VG industry. This is what they cared about when they dropped fallujah. This is what is shit in 2017 despite fallujah. Duh?
It feels like in the recent years people are just afraid to make realistic hardcore games with a campaign, so far Im only seeig Insurgency Sandstorm comin out.
I worked as a QA tester for Destineer games and tested Breach along with several of their other games. I remember being told that most of the maps and assets in the game came directly from Six Days In Fallujah. One story that sticks in my mind is that I was messing around and discovered that reloading before completely emptying your magazine seemed to cause later reloads to give you incomplete amounts of ammo, e.g. you would wind up with only 21 in your 30 round magazine. I messed with it for a bit and wrote up a bug on it. To my surprise I was told that this was intentional, and found that the game actually kept track of the amount of spent bullets per magazine, and since you only had two or three of them you would eventually cycle back to a magazine with only the bullets that you had not fired previously left in it. Also the focus of the game seemed to be on the destruction mechanics but they were very poorly realized. There were maybe one or two spots per map where you could plant explosives to break open a wall or destroy a bridge, but they were very easy to reach and would typically be done very early into a match, to the point where they might as well have started that way because it took zero effort to do. The most effective use of the mechanic as found by us testing was to shoot out a single brick of one of the buildings and use it as a sniper peephole.
SuperfluousMoniker you know, tbh I've always had a problem with games in that when you reload a magazine with 18 rounds left, and you have only 12 rounds to spare, they get added together to get 30. I think the the should bring that back were it keeps track of the number of rounds each magazine has.
SuperfluousMoniker oh my god, I've always wanted a game to do this. Keeping track of bullets in each magazine/clip makes so much sense but no major games I've found do it :(
Rising Storm 2: Vietnam. Check it out. I play it quite a bit. Its what some call a "Lite MilSim". Its not as sim as ARMA, but more so than BF. It has just enough arcadey elements to keep it exciting while maintaining a very realistic environment. The launch trailer is legit gameplay. That is what it is like.
the Red Orchestra series does this, as does the ARMA series and a few others I cant remember, but back in the half-life days, a mod called Firearms had this feature, along with the ability to combine partially empty magazines, which would leave you vulnerable till you were finished.
it's ironic that this particular game, striving to mostly accurately depict a real conflict, got so much flak, when cod, the last medal of honor and others had been doing these jingoistic power fantasies making a mockery of wars we've fought, and more completely unrealistically, for many more years and definitely around the time of this game. no justice in this world
Oddly enough, the early WWII-based Call of Duty games, for example 'Call of Duty 2' and 'World at War' were not the power fantasies of later instalments, such as 'Advanced Warfare' and 'Black Ops III'. They sought to depict a chaotic war zone and position the player as an ordinary soldier - not as an OP hero.
Nibula “World at War came after cod 4” No shit, Sherlock. Besides, World at War is still one of the earlier CoD games (if you wanna get technical). Therefore, I stand by my statement.
It's probably exactly because it was striving for realism that it got taken down. It strikes too close to home for some, whereas a lame power fantasy with nothing to say can be easily discarded.
I still want to see this game. People keep talking about controversial, that games are only for kids and fun, but that is opinion of people who don't play games. And they are not even think, that games may be more than just a entertainment. They think that if the game is about something controversial, than it must be banned, just because they don't like it. If veterans give their approval, if veterans help make this game, if veterans defend this game, then it must mean something. But no, we have some people that see games only as amusement for stupid children. I would like to see the game, that not only centered on shooting, but also on atmosphere and story. I'm sick of modern warfare games, but if the game will give me something interesting, I'll buy it. Thanks for the video guys, it was really interesting.
Which is why I'm always happy to see games such as Syrian Warfare on the market - the fact that that game is well received (despite being pro-Assad) is a huge plus too!
Zloy_dedulya if I hit the lottery tomorrow I would definitely find a studio or team to give this game a updated look and engine. I find it absolutely heartbreaking that men who wanted this game to happen, get their stories told and have the memory of their friends honored never got the chance too. Just because a video game can be fun doesn't mean it can't be a emotional heartbreaking story about the horrors of life. The Last of Us tugged at my heart strings more then most movies do and I feel like it's because allowing me to control the character made me so much more invested in it.
Fat Trillionaire Did neo-Nazis give their approval when id Software made Wolfenstein 3d? Did Russia give its approval when Infinity Ward made Call of Duty (Treyarch made Cod:Blops)? Do they have to? If so, why? If Vietnam wants to make a video game where you play as a member of the Vietcong and shoot Americans, go right ahead (I remember them trying to do so anyways, using Cod:Waw's engine). If Hezbollah wants to make a video game where you shoot Izraelis, be my guest (In fact, they did just that: check out Hezbollah's Special Force 2, a Far Cry ripoff). Problem is, those games suck. Which is exactly why I'm supportive of Syrian Warfare, and seriously hope the Syrian army or Russia won't be offended by it enough to pull it from shelves. And no, I don't think they need Al-Nusra's permission to sell the game.
Well ww2 is a real event right which killed nearly 100 million soldiers and many games are released based on it........ So why falujjah is it blasphamous or something
the punisher hmm think for a minute. When did World War II happen? If you said 1939-1945 then you would be correct. Now let's think when did the Iraq War happen? If you said 2003-2011 then once again you're right. If you would've listened just a bit you would've realized Six Days in Fallujah was released in the middle of this war. While the earliest World War II games where released 30 years after the war. I imagine you can see what I mean here
They didnt want it released because in this one city over 800 civilians died most were killed by the americans she didnt want her son to be remembered by the murder he was
As simple as it gets: Because no one cared. The only reason why it was controversial was because parents who lost their children started those conversations. For WWII there were no parents who could start it and the people who fought in it didnt care about a game placed in the setting, especially because they hoped that games will be a warning for the younger generations.
Hey, that was my unit! Thundering third! (3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment) I didn't go to Fallujah though. I joined their fleet right when they got back.
Kidd Kulture People tend to forget that Iraq was under the baath regime, a murderous regime that oppressed the people heavily, a regime that killed their own civilians with weapons such as nerve gas. I believe the Iraq war was a mistake, but I don't think illegitimate intents were behind it.
as someone who is from a family where literally everyone is a military veteran a third of which are combat veterans they often say so what? sometimes defending your country means defending its economy so either way they did their job
the funny thing is America is an evil country, America commits all sorts of crimes and they go to other countries, kill and rape their people, all over resources and greed, people like that lady's son deserve to die, I hope every soldier fighting for America dies painfully
coming out of the marines in september of 2010, i fell in love with bf3 when it was released a year later, due to its somewhat immersive realism, to the point that i sunk a little over 1800 hours into it. with that being said, i would love to see this game come out.
Nick Ortega Thank you for your service. U.S. Army Veteran 12 1/2 years Honorable Service MOS : 97B/14J Gulf War Vet OEF/OFI Vet Deployed to Theatre Not offended
I think it is disrespectful due to the nature of the war. Iraq war was a unjustified war that stated that Saddam had nuclear weapons. Which caused the effects of millions of lives. Even by today's standard this would be considered war crimes and should be charged. Now for me if they depict the realilty of the situation i have no problem with this. But it has been stated by the creators that they will not be dwelling over the war crimes that have occured in Fallujah. This is literally wiping the surface clean and rewriting history. I can understand why people cna be mad. As long as they stayed true to history and could have made it for entertainment purposes.
@@Tox1cAshes these are not just a criminal actions. Its war crimes. Dont be a idiot. The entire iraq war was a complete lie. If your making a game about a historic event. At least depict the actual events that occured during the event.
@@arthurmorgan4942 So the death squads Saddam sent out to kill civilians just... Didn't exist? Yeah we definitely shouldn't have fought these people....
The worst is the mom of a dead marines who think people will minimize the death of those who fougth she doesn't understood that it will have made possible for people to remenber their dead better or even make people want to know why those man fought
+SpookyTheCat I think the problem is that the ones who are protesting aren't gamers, themselves. They think of games as mere entertainment, because the last game they played was Pacman, and let's face it: Pacman didn't offer up much in the immersion and emotion department. The technology just wasn't there yet, but today's games easily rivals both literature and cinema when it comes to emotional impact. There are countless games I have played that have made me completely drained emotionally after it's ended and made me question my world view. I think that this would be such a game. It had the possibility to make the players feel disgusted at the war and how it played out. I would like to know whether it would feel comfortable to have a book published, a movie or documentary made, or is it considered disrespectful to even talk about the battle of Fallujah? May it be taught in schools?
I know. The men who fought beside she son in the war know what he would’ve wanted. Because they are in the same situation with him and understand is sacrifice.
First time i have heard of this, this game would have been really cool if it came out a few years later and the delusional people didn't stop it from being released.
I truly do feel sorry for all the families with relatives who died in the Iraq war, but this game seriously would've been a massive success if it were released. The game wasn't meant to glorify violence, it was meant to show a realistic depiction of the Battle of Fallujah, and I understand that.
Well, it's not like they'd make you shoot civilians or bomb houses, so as an Iraqi myself, I don't see a problem with it (But then again, I don't have any friends who died in Fallujah).
The worst thing that the *FAMILIES* were the ones that were ass holes but the *SOLDIERS THAT ACTUALLY FOUGHT IN THE WAR* Liked it and helped the game but The *MEDIA* Always says "THEY ARE PUTIN THA WARRRRR IN A GAEM AND THAT'S BAAAAAAAAD BECAUZE WE DON'T LIKE IIIIITTTTT AND IT'S JUST OUR OPINIOOOOOON!" And everyone start hating it because they heard it on the media,it's always happen when they overhate a game or console
I'm an Afghan vet, OEF X 2009-2010. When you have the ACTUAL marines as technical advisors to the game, that is the opposite of offensive. That is honorable. I'll be picking this one up on the release date. It's a great historical battle that deserves to be remembered.
Thank you for serving. And I too wish to see and play this myself. I honestly gives me a better understanding of what you and them went through. For servicemen to give their personal experiences of what they experienced and encountered, if feel that this is important not just for historical value but understanding what real war is. Not just the games like Call of Duty or Modern Warfare where it's just guns blazing all the time. Those who disapprove of this game don't have any idea what they are talking about.
Let's also not forget the satanic rituals that were Dungeons & Dragons. ;) Also, I bet in the future we'll be saying the same about some narcotic substances (say, cannabis)
To be fair the argument has been there since the 70's, though somehow they haven't figured out that 40 years of making the same false argument doesn't make it any more true.
I like how the mother of the dead veteran appeared on the news with jewellry round her neck, earings and well made hair and yet does not even show any sense of remorse or even a small sense of restrain when talking about her deceased son. I will state this, the news is a major pest when it comes to games that base themselves on recent historical events. I never heard the news bitching about how the Battlefield series is becoming a haven for young children that resort to petty insults against others, but they bitch about games that are there to educate people about the realities of war, that war is no place for glory. Humanity is ignorant I tell you...
It's not humanity, it's American. Don't group us up with them. If this game is developed in EU, for sure it will see the day of light. I don't think any country that has to glorify war as much as U.S.
If you believe that so, then you are wrong sir for I am European and I know what goes on in Europe. EDIT: I will also add that it does not matter whether the game was developed in any country, it would have still recieved scrutiny if it was being developed in a different country with some of the developers travelling to America to talk with the veterans. And after it recieved scrutiny the publishers would still have backed out. No matter the country or continent of development. Anyway I will still back my statement, all of Humanity is ignorant.
@ This is about war. I don't think such country that promote War such as daily advertisement as U.S. You can say that conflict happen regularly between countries, because it will happen regardless: the point here is when U.S promoting WAR as their main industry with such scale, they don't care about their employee at all, and new employees would hesitate to find job in this industry. And about developing in different countries. YES IT MATTERS. You saying it doesn't meaning you know jack shit about culture influence on entertainment products. Not all game are made for everyone. If all of humanity is ignorant, then so do you, thus your saying is no less ignorant than others.
The revived 6 days in Fallujah is so damn good. They nailed it from the combat to the AI fighting against you and even the dust clouds from explosions are super immersive. I’m glad this game was delayed and it got picked up again b/c it fits right in with the rest of tactical shooter community. They nailed tthe gameplay 10/10 and cannot wait to see what the game has in store a year from now.
lol just leave us then play our video games while you go light a candle for those civilians. But im sure that deep inside, you also dont give a fuck about them.
if it were just that they woulda changed the name and released it under the radar. the fact is the game probably sucked and they could make more money and investors off the attention instead and just not release the crap game to ruin any publicity they garnered
we need to start a petition to have this game finished, polished and released. Consider a tribute to the brave man that fought, bled, and some that died there.
Do you realize half the reason the game wasn’t even able to come out was because family members of the deceased soldiers said it was grossly inaccurate and misrepresentative of what happened
@@rickyredbeard8274 is that so?.... How?! Were the relatives there? Grief will cloud reality.. but idk either, the game is in development once again, so i guess we'll find out.
@@MM-zw8sm There is a VR game ( i cant remember the name sadly) that kinda simulated the events. You basically spawn in a Skyscraper the whole simulation is you witnessing it exploding. I remember i watched a vid from a streamer who was so shook that he cried.
@@DudetaketheBus Unfortunately true both ways, they'd tell stories of all kinds in their single player campaign, but then have the MP be a total grindfest to encourage them buying their premium currency (tho this is probably more of 2k's fault than RS')
As someone who was there, in Fallujah, Nov 2004, I have mixed emotions about this. Granted, this video is now a few years old and today was the first time I have ever heard of this game. I have mixed emotions because watching this, the 'real' footage of Fallujah, I started to get a bit apprehensive. But I would still buy the game and play it, so long as it was/is accurate enough. That was my problem with titles like Call of Duty or Battlefield, they just were not accurate enough, and why I stopped playing. Hearing what sounded like an 8yr old kid talking smack on a game that I should dominate at given my background. I do love to concept of educating people though video games. This is not a new concept, one of CoD's focuses was to educate on WW2 with their first release. When I was in Fallujah, with my Marines, we joked about how someday, someone would make a video game like CoD only about us and what we did "here." We also said there would be blockbuster semi-accurate movies about us. And that by 2020 (today) there would be a Disney World where we were standing just outside the city. One of these came true, and sadly, the media stopped it.
Cmon I have nothing againts people beeing protective about their losed loved ones memories, but if someone wants to make a videogame *god damn* let them do it! :/ #ReallySadStory
Video games are a form of art. The fact that this game was practically banned by media influence is something akin to free speech violations. How amazing it is that things such as The Walking Dead can kill kids and people, but realistic death is too JARRING? Fox News has NO PROBLEM justifying the Iraq War as a defense of freedom, but when fake people die based around a war they ENDORSED...it's just hypocritical.
+Jacob Applehoof it's capitalism. The publishers are allowed to pull out of projects as they please because the media was exercising it's freedom of speech which degraded the game to the public eye
X CUBE Gaming Okay but you don't see Iraqi families criticizing this game because they have also lost their loved ones because you know, the lives of 3rd world country civilians don't mean shit to anyone they are always expendable.
"You get to die multiple times in a video game and still continue" Yes. Because I'm not a soldier and I have to get to the end of the story to know what they went through.
This is an uncalled for supression for artistic expression. some games need to be this dark, if they show a brutal depiction of war... Let them do so, it shows us the truth of what happens, we can't just sit here, in a safe space, pretending it's not the same kind as us that is fighting out there, without games such as Valiant Hearts or Spec Ops: The Line, many wouldn't even think to question war. War is a tragedy for everyone involved, man or woman, soldier or civillian. Staying in your safe and closed space only makes the truth hurt harder when it hits.
Yet GTA is totally fine, going around killing and running over innocent people. I feel like Six Days in Fallujah would be a good game to educate people!
Fail To Load Oh I didn’t know that. I’m gonna search it up. But what I was saying was that video games shouldn’t be released only if they touch sensitive topics nowadays like school shootings or stuff like that, gta doesn’t touch any of this stuff
Ricky Reynaldi You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Eventually you’re going to kill a civilian out of fun or target practice. then in self preservation take out 80 of the LSPD officers. Yeah
Ellithejoker You can’t compare war to school shootings. School shootings are inhuman. War though being Immoral has a perpose even if civilians die more will suffer if nothing is done. What point does school shootings serve? War is about sacrifice for a greater good
I was in the first battle of fallujah (the smaller one) and later, operation steel curtain. I would have enjoyed this game more than likely. Mostly for the stories those guys are willing to tell and to give my respect. The top comments are spot on! S/F
I understand the pain the families are feeling and that this might open wounds but in reality the arguments are specious at best. By the same logic someone could say "my Father died in Vietnam so lets not have any Vietnam battle depictions" or "my Grandfather died in Normandy on D-Day so lets not have any WWII battle depictions." Why is the Fallujah battle any more sensitive than any other depiction of an actual battle? These battles happened, people actually died. Are you going to rewrite history and pretend none of it happened? As far as the desensitization argument is concerned, that horse left the stable along time ago. Any FPS that allows players to simulate being killed and respawning is going to have the same so-called desensitization effect whether it is depicting a real scenario or complete fantasy so it holds no water either. So by that logic everything needs to be banned. Yeah...right. Good luck with that.
Exactly, if people want the desensitization taken away, it would put this game up with the Military simulators like Escape from Tarkov, ARMA, Squad etc...
My opa was a Nazi, so I am offended by all the games that let you kill Nazis(Just kidding. Nazis are the only enemy that can be digitally killed en-mass with no guilt and my opa was a bigoted asshole.) One might argue that it was because Fallujah wasn't a victory(at least not until Operation Phantom Fury in November), coupled with people being ignorant about video games. Although the oppostion by Anti-war groups made little sense; there is a game that shows the horror of war and they didn't want it???? like what the fuck.
I believe it mostly stems from the perception old people have of video games, seeing them as a medium for vapid entertainment meant to glorify violence and get a high score. Had they known their function as a narrative vessel around the time the game was being made, their tone likely would have changed, but for all they knew, the game might as well have been DOOM with a Fallujah skin on it.
I was sad and honoured I got to play someone with the surname Anderson in battlefield 1 cause if you translate my name from cree/syllabics it means Anderson. And I lost a great grandfather who died going over the trench in WW1.
Look. I'm anti-war, alright? However, I think this game should've been released. More games like this should be released. Battles and wars are part of history and immersing oneself in a virtual recreation seems to be the best way to show what it was like to participate in it.
I'm sorry if this comment is a few months late, but I totally agree. But I'm not anti-war, the thing is, our populations need to understand what happens in war. I honestly say we should have games depicting real battles, real controversies. Give the player a squad of people, hell, in the eyes of a real soldier giving his detailed story and how he felt through the narrative. Then at the end, give an unbiased list of events at the end. Casualties, names, property damage, total war cost, and pictures of the soldier/squad actually there. The player will feel the impact, no hollywood b.s. It would respect the service member. And respect those who were in the area of conflict.
Félix Veilleux-Ouellet I can't completely agree since games are built to entertain and thus give the player a certain degree of power, along with the fact that it's clearly a game and disconnected from reality.
Im not anti war, but I think your answer is great! The best way to get someone to be antiwar is to let them see it and understand it upfront. To have them immersed in that experience. To let them choose how they wish to interpret conflict. Its less about convincing, and more about showing. Because to convince usually implies lies or fudged truth. To show, however, to show is truth and fair. A plain representation of facts without judgement or bias. To show is the proper course, to let them decide which cause is just. So yes, two people may play it and come out thinking oppositely, but in the end what matters is that they experienced and made their own choice.
Unfortunately, people instinctively place an emphasis on the name and place of things. Nothing wrong with that, but it leads to this. Had this game been named something different, it would've slipped right under the radar probably. So yeah, that's why Spec Ops got away with it, it's a purely fictional conflict. Fallujah isn't. I don't agree with their perspective in the slightest, but I can see why someone could come to that conclusion.
>Countless movies glorify war: It's fine >One game tries to depict a recent military conflict: IT'S GLORIFYING WAR, CANCEL IT!! It's all art. Who really gives a shit? Who is getting hurt here? No responsible parent is going to buy their kid an M-rated game called "Six Days in Fallujah." It's all art, if you don't like it, you don't have to pay attention.
Well it has come to surface that the creators of this game will not be depicting the war crimes in Falluja. So it does seem a bit weird why you would not depict the reality of the game even tho you cna make the game entertainment such as spec ops.
@@arthurmorgan4942 Not many war crimes happened over there but go ahead and believe in the lies they tell you. Civilians getting caught in the crossfire isn't a war crime, but rather civilians being stupid
The way the press sees it, "Oh it's gonna just make fun and mock the events of what happened". Where as the way I see it, "It's a game to help immerse and understand what was happening in the war, and to remember what happened."
Uh, well I wouldn't consider a game a benchmark for historical accuracy. Look at all the misconceptions people have on WWI now from Battlefield 1. However I think the game should be released on the grounds of being fun, like any other game.
Dave Smith Looks to be this game would be centered on historical accuracy. Where as battlefield 1 purposely sacrificed historical accuracy for fun's sake.
actually I was just thinking about this. Permadeath, but it's not the end of the game. When the character you play as dies, or someone in your party dies, they're gone. Sure, there will likely be fill ins, but those pre selected fill ins will be different. When you die, you switch to a different character. The character you played as is gone forever, along with the rest of your squad who died. Over time this takes a toll on you. If you fail the mission, then you can play it again and try again with new replacements. If all of your squad dies, Game over for good.
If there was a hardcore mode that only relied on playing one character, if you did end up dying thus ending the game entirely would upset a lot of casuals. Nobody can seem to put their foot down and have some balls in this day and age. You have to appease the masses of mouth breather snowflake sheep. Amongst the backlash, there's always a cave in and apology. Some situations don't warrant the apology but they do to save face. Snowflakes wonder why the game market has been watered down and drying out is because they complain about everything which puts publishers in a rock and a hard place. Then the final product is a recycled generic flop that's poorly received by consumers. Way to ruin it for everyone.
@@BasedGodEmperorTrump Doom 2016 had a permadeath in the difficulty ultra nightmare if you died you were done and had to start all over atleast ID Software still has some balls
Exactly what I was thinking about man, if you feel that it is offensive because “you can respawn” Then put it one life only, I would still play it. Even if I die and I have to start it all over again.
We do have Spec Ops: The Line which explores similar themes.. It's not Six Days in Fallujah, but definitely in the same vein for those interested in exploring more insightful military shooters :(
Peter Klick "How many Americans have you killed today" "Do you feel like a hero yet?" That game is enough to give anyone PTSD. Goodness knows how visceral and emotional this game would be. I believe the only devs to do this game justice would be those that developed Spec Ops. They'd treat it with the dignity and respect it deserves.
namor357 It had a very profound effect on me after playing it. At the time, I was studying Heart of Darkness in one of my literature courses and Spec Ops was very similar. It's a very haunting game and those lines especially hit me hard. The devs who made Spec Ops would be ideal for Six Days in Fallujah, they'd treat the vets who fought in the battle and the situation with the respect it does indeed deserve.
That game really made me think. I played that game and I didn't have PTSD, but damn, I sure as hell felt something. That game was one of my favorite story based games, and I loved the controversy in it. I typically play milsims, which is why I stayed away from that game for awhile, since it seemed like your very typical 'shoot-em-up.' But the end of the game really made the whole thing worth it.
If I had a family member die in battle, and a game was made about said battle or had that battle brought up as a mission, like Six days in Fallujah, I would want the game to be released, if only to expose the events to a wider audience. A game about war, especially like battlefield 1, that doesn't tone down the historical value for the sake of gameplay, wouldn't desensitize people, it would just broaden the awareness of said event.
You know that game still has to be a game and it’s ea so yah if your talking about war stories then it may an over action but it still show the bad of war
Izaiah Florés not exactly. World War I is my life long passion and I’m going for my masters and doctorate in history. Of course B1 wasn’t 100% accurate, it showed the impact of the war and how disposable soldiers were. There’s far more I can say but because EA it’s automatically bad right?
@@AnonYmous-zt6kr Calling American soldiers animalistic and subhuman is so fucking wrong. As an anonymous person put it, the difference between the good guys and the bad guys is whether they use human shields, or make themselves the human shields. Not only that, but the civilians that stayed in Fallujah even after the order to evacuate was given were either complete morons or were conspiring with the insurgents.
"Was not released because it's deemed to be 'offensive' and too 'sensitive'" ?? The game "This war of mine" harbors sensitive materials about war, but nobody bats an eye It's close of having the level of this kind of immersive gameplay, in my aspect. So why do they have to keep this one on the stock room?
Not to be on a certain side, but 6DIF was just doing it on a wrong time. This War Of Mine released it on the correct time. If just 6DIF got a remaster during the times when This War Of Mine was released, they could have been more successful than TWOM, since has got some demand from those who once hyped on it.
CoD: *Makes Black Ops set in Vietnam where America committed so many war crimes and where 2 million civilians died* Media: 🙂 SDF: *makes game about a battle that veterans actually like* Media: tHaT's OfFeNsIvE
@HW Expert ik its a lot but the war crimes in Vietnam were much worse
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@odessa 14 shut up you easily manipulated pawn of what I regrettably call a human being. In nam the veterans didnt want to fucking be there hence why fragging was so common. And in iraq oh iraq 500000 civilians dead and not even a collective tear from the west.
My point is, SNOWFLAKES STOPPED US FROM HAVING A COOL, REALISTIC AND FUN GAME! NOT JUST THAT BUT GAMES LIKE SANDSTORM AND COOL REALISTIC GAMES ARE ONLY ON PC
1) Gaming companies have to be OBLIGED to resist (at the very least, ignore) visibly biased and manipulatory crap like Fox News. Actually, scratch that, literally everyone in the world has to be obliged to do so. 2) Nobody resisted oh-so-many games and films which featured (often fictionalized) battles from World War II and the Vietnam War. 3) As MrSquifler already stated, it's fascinating how surviving soldiers from the battle actually contributed to the game, while select civilians wanted to prevent it from releasing for no real reason. War is shit, we all get it, but I'd take shooting ones and zeroes over real flesh-and-blood people. Contradictingly, games based on conflict and war often bring people together (okay, let's discard some toxic modern multiplayer communities for the sake of the argument), as people who play them share their experiences, challenge each other, have their fun, and carry on with their lives. 4) Desensitizing to violence cannot happen in a healthy mind. All crime that is blamed on gaming, which certain mainstream media is so quick to blindly parrot for their own petty reasons, was done by people who already had serious psychological problems, and games weren't anything more than *one of* the catalysts. A mentally healthy person in a violent real-life situation will, apart from manifesting needs and actions meant to stay alive, will show shock, fear and absolute hatred for the situation that person is in, and do whatever is necessary to keep themselves and people around them safe as much as possible. Preaching to the choir, I guess, but I felt I had to. Also, to GVMERS, I loved the video itself, and good job on getting in touch with a dev!
4) is wrong, though. The military actually had to develop their training to take desensitization into account. One of the reason human silhouette targets are used rather than traditional bullseye targets was to condition the shooter. I know I am desensitized to violence due to videogames and the internet. I've seen enough that it doesn't shock me, and I remember when it used to make me squirm. That's desensitization. Does it mean I'm violent? No. Just that I'm desensitized.
desensitizing of violence can happen do to violent movies or video games- but being desensitized to violence is not necessarily a bad thing- being desensitized to violence is NOT the same thing as being amoral or having no sense of right and wrong.
+Filipe Amaral You say this, but I wonder what would happen if you suddenly found yourself in a warzone or during some shooting (I'm just making an argument, I do NOT wish this upon you!), if you would act completely differently. You claim to be desensitized to violence, but how do you know you're not simply desensitized to violence in entertainment olny?
+PlokiteWolf you're moving the goalposts. I said I am desensitized to depictions of violence, real or virtual (I think I made it pretty clear that even when it's not entertainment I can handle it). I did not say I am desensitized to adrenaline, fight or flight response or just plain old high stress environments. You said desensitization cannot happen to a healthy mind. Now you're backpedaling. I simply stated you're wrong, but you don't want to be wrong so you're coming up with caveats rather than admitting you went overboard when trying to expose a concept. Desensitization to a real shooting can only happen after you've been shot at. One of the abstractions used by the military (I don't know at which point they stopped doing this, if they have) is the low crawl under barbed wire while live ammunition is being fired above (in reality the bullets would be flying 10ft over their heads, but the notion of them whizzing past is just as scary). I've googled it as I have found people saying it happened in bootcamp as late as the 1990's and the most recent testimony I could find was from 2003. It's possible that such live fire training is not performed in bootcamp anymore but still reserved for more advanced infantry training. And like I said human-looking targets were used to increase the rate of soldiers willing to kill, along with other psychological tactics of shared responsibility, telling soldiers they're not killing but saving the comrade to their side, etc. I have experienced desensitization myself due to combat sports. In my first fight I was so stressed that I could only throw the left jab and the right low-kick. Since then I do not feel stress while in the ring. By your logic I do not have a healthy mind because I've been able to overcome the "normal" responses to danger.
I would've played the fuck outta this game! The people saying that this glorifies war are the same people who hated Fury, Saving Private Ryan, Black Hawk Down, Jarhead, We Were Soldiers etc... purely because it was set in wartime and it was violent. These games and films DO NOT glorify war, they show war in it's worst state, and show viewers that there is nothing good about war. We have games like Rainbow Six, and the SWAT series, which with the constant terrorist threat of recent memories, should've been torn a new one by SJWs And Spec Ops: The Line, whilst not set in a current war, should've been absolutely decimated by SJWs, I'll mention the use of white phosphorus and say no more so as not to spoil the game And shall I mention the fact that Grand Theft Auto 5 is still stronger than ever? A game where murder, prostitution, torture, theft and arson are wholly encouraged. Bluestone 42 was a comedy series released by the BBC about a bomb disposal unit in Afghanistan. A COMEDY SERIES SET IN ONE OF THE MOST RECENT AND BLOODY WARS TO DATE. I don't hear anyone complaining about that... As soon as someone goes out of their way to make a game, film, book, or even an opinion about a morally grey area such as Iraq or Afghanistan, they are immediately shot down, unless they have tons of cash on hand to shut the press up. If anything, we should be complaining about the recent CoD games. The arcade style, run and gun style of gameplay along with the gun-ho attitude of every character there is in fact more damaging to the image of war than ANY of these games. Sure there will be one or two players who are ignorant to the message behind it, but thats why games like classic R6, Because of their steep learning curve they attracted serious players, not 14 year old sweats *Cough Cough* Siege *Cough* Six Days In Fallujah was one of these R6 style games, and therefore, would attract a more mature crowd of gamers who would've taken the game seriously and respected the deeper meaning behind the game. Keep in mind that the game was not made in bad taste, the soldiers who were there directly assisted with the games development, as the video mentioned, and I'm not saying that the friends and family of those soldiers who were killed do not deserve to have a say or deserve to grieve. But that's the problem, no one was forcing the game on anyone. As with anything, sex, drugs, exercise, if you don't like it, don't do it. I personally think that a game of this calibre has a chance to come back nowadays, there IS a market for this type of game still, as I said, I would've loved this game, had it had been released, and I know there are people who agree with me (Just look at the comments) It would be a real shame to see all this effort in programming what looks like a spectacular game go to waste because it was released at the wrong time.
I only read the first couple paragraphs, but I disagree when you say saving Private Ryan doesn't glorify war. There are very deliberate filming tactics to make the viewer empathize with American deaths much more than anyone else's, which elicits an urge from the viewer to want to go kill some Nazis. A lot of the other movies you had on that list also do the same thing. All they really do is pump you the fuck up to go kill some idea of a "bad guy". A GOOD war movie makes you realize how fucked up killing people is in general, makes you question the war economy that we've created and makes you want to STOP war from happening anymore... not make you want to put on your boots and your helmet and go kick ass.
People are really afraid that if kids got to play video games about war, some day humankind would see war in real life. I didn't know that George W. Bush was an avid video game player. Since he and his administration choosed to attack Iraq, he must have been playing a copious number of violent video games to come up with that idea. Proponents of the "video games make people violent" movement has their causality messed up. There isn't violence in the world because there are violent video games. Rather, there are violent video games because there is violence in the world.
lost 100 guys in a city over a year in Irak; can't make a game lose 8 millions civilians and hundred of solider in 5 years, let's make 100 games about it
Sooo the media and society destroyed this game because it was "offensive" and "controversial", but when I complain about women in COD WWII, I'm a sexist asshole that is complaining for no reason? Yeah ok humanity that makes so much sense
Trust me, a chunk of us women think it's stupid to put women soldiers in a WW2 game. I mean you could have them be nurses in the medical unit- that would be awesome . Put them in civilian roles, etc. They may not have fought like the men, but they were still part of the story, and that's fine. Don't need them as soldiers.
kallie kat True, but that's why they can use the Iron Cross in countries where it's censored and the actual Swastika in countries that fully allow freedom of speech. They have both assets in the game already so it wouldn't cost them anymore money to do it like that
This ambitious shooter was forgotten about by everyone, until now.
Hey, you stole my line!
By everyone
It's finally time
I'm excited for it 😁
@@MrNewVegas101 like all of us are!
They got butthurt because it doesn't glorify war like call of duty. It shows the real horrors of war. Or showed it I mean.
Yep, people bring up 9/11 as an excuse... But if count the civilians who died in 9/11 and the ones who died in Iraq killed by US soldiers, the numbers got beaten a lot time ago
One of the reasons Spec. Ops: the Line isn't well received
Yeah. People who think war is fun needs to watch some more documentaries. War is just hunger, loss of sleep, fear, grief
CoD WAW was a great example for showing horrors of war in a CoD game
we went to Afghanistan for the oil and the opium
I was a paratrooper in Afghanistan in 2009, when this controversy came out. If I had been killed in Afghanistan and someone wanted to make a videogame a few years later about the battle I was killed in, I would feel quite honored. Ask the combat veterans how they feel and ignore everyone else.
@@jinxks6333 Yeah yeah quit acting like a little bitch you sand made fuck (im actually mexican what the hell am i doing here lol)
@@jinxks6333 He can't be in the military because God will kill him, but you can wish he and his dead friends burn in hell? I hope you are trolling...
@@azizbey4334 yeah, ok doodoo head
Jinxks allah ackbar boom boom explosions kapow
@@azizbey4334 Pretty positive that every major terrorist cell has been grinded into sand for the last 40 some odd years.
America does what it does quite well, which is the Search and Destroy doctrine of combat. We do the killing, and leave the actual frontline movement to whatever country's Government or Rebel force we are helping
ITS ACTUALLY COMING OUT THIS YEAR
Yessirrr
It was only an announcement trailer.
Remember cyberpunk 2077 lads.
@@madwolf0966 Totally different scenario. This game was already finished over a decade ago.....
@@Aren-1997 Eeeeh, not really. Six Days in Fallujah (2021) is on a different engine and only started being made in 2016, while the original was made over a decade ago.
@@justryan6480 Still has the all the basis of a finished game to work from. The comparison with Cyberpunk is not really valid.
The mainstream media that doesn't play video games got mad. I garuntee that if this had been a movie, nobody would have cared, it might have even been praised.
there are more than enough war movies based on actual events. Im with you man, i dont understand why this game never became a thing.
Like American sniper or black hawk down
The Mainstream media is shit even on informing and they wonder why people go to UA-cam instead of them on a side note UA-cam is being dick to real historian on UA-cam ghost time history, WWII channel, and recently The armchair historian go demonetize
@@tobitaktlos3241 yeah but how many of those movies were realized while the actually war was happening. I’m not defending the detractors by any means just saying it was poor timing
Mainstream media is linked with Hollywood to secretly push their agendas through movies. They haven't taken over video games yet. So they're mad, they don't get to tell the story.
Its stupid. The soldiers were all for the game and thats all that matters. Everyone else complaining about the game should have had no say in what happens
Marines*
“But look at this sad woman!” says the media.
These people are the lowest of the low.
People that didn't play games were the only ones complaining
Hydro Reefer The killed innocent Iraqi civilians are not
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Trying to set a record for the most amount of graves you can stand on at once.
''no you are not allowed to depict history''
Wombit huh?
civilians are sheltered idiots that have more to say than anyone with experience. And the worst part, our four star generals get questioned by some IDIOT democrat congresswoman whos only there to push a femanist agenda and the bitch doesnt know shit about military.
@@koltred im a civi and i can only assume how intense war is today. I want this to live vicariously through these strong men. The weaklings from california and satanic hollywood need to see this.
Koltred Anubus
AOC and her squad of idiots
Satanic Hollywood? Are you a sixty five year old boomer
you could easily make this today. Look at the new call of duty, arma 3, spec ops the line, and even squad. Not to mention insurgency sandstorm. THis game would be great today if remastered graphically to todays standards
To be honest it doesn't look that impressive to me but if any game devs would like to pick it up and release it titled as: Six Days then yes definitely. (Yes that is a 13 hours reference)
Exactly. If call of duty can release a game that makes people shoot hundreds of innocent civilians in an airport, then they can make a informative game based on true events.
I mean shit, if they wanted to be petty for all the backlash, somebody should release a game that’s almost spot on to Falujah, but say it’s fictional haha
@@imdatnigga9715 one thing to consider is spec ops the line. Phenomenal game, but didn't sell that well. Now it's not exactly the same thing we are talking about here, but more rugged military games don't exactly sell as well as the call of duties or battlefields.
The game looks like it would be an amazing ride, but we'll likely never see it released. I don't ever pay for singleplayer games, but if they were to say, remaster on the latest unreal or similar equivalent, I could see myself dropping 30$ on it.
tothedome566 Totally man. I wish there were more realistic single player shooters based on real events that had a budget like CoD or Battlefield. I would happily drop $60 for that.
I don’t know if you played it, but I recently played Modern Wafare ‘19 campaign and I thought it was whatever, until I found myself learning about real life military operations and it made me appreciate the shit out of that campaign. It’s almost as if infinity ward researched military ops, and put them into the game. For example we were fighting with Al Queda, in the game your fighting Al Qatala. In the game the country doesn’t know their government is fighting their ally’s like Russia, in real life a Navy SEAL mentioned that nobody believes we’ve been fighting Russia under the radar. Etc etc.
Long ass paragraph just to say I wish there were more non-fiction campaigns lmao
As weird as it sounds.... I’d rather it be released in its original graphical state 😂👌 it would just feel better and I’d enjoy it way more
6:41 love how news anchors try to fake honest concern for their interviewees, I mean how are we supposed to believe that woman?
Journalists are sociopaths.
They're, look at her! She acts like a pre-programmed robot
You can see how awful "news" reporters and journalists are just by looking at the election and the aftermath still. Many of them undermining democracy and calling even for illegitimate actions such as murder against the president elect. Remeber that?
Will Jones you just had to inject your leftist bullshit didn't you?
BillyPilgrim Well it was fox news so...
So we miss out on games like Six Days In Fallujah and get like 20 CoD games instead
Wonder if they'll make a game called "20 years of CoD"
The truest survival horror game
Timothy H. They should reboot it
Whats wrong with the cod games? Cod 4 and mw2 bo1 and 2 were the fucking greatest cod games
they should put it out in 2018
and all the cods after aw wernt good
"How dare this game studio make light of the Iraq war for the purposes of entertainment and profit! That's *OUR* job!" -The Media
^Underrated comment!
Lol soooooo true
one of the best youtube comments I've seen in years
civilians are sheltered idiots that have more to say than anyone with experience. And the worst part, our four star generals get questioned by some IDIOT democrat congresswoman whos only there to push a femanist agenda and the bitch doesnt know shit about military.
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Ik the feminists and the woke people are like so triggered over everything. They don’t know what real oppression is lime
"This shooter became largely forgotten."
*Martin O Donnell has entered the chat*
Dude made the soundtrack to Halo, hell a lot of the guys who made Halo is working on the game
@@someretardontheinternet which is good very good.
@@extrasalt5303 Hell yeah that's a good thing
family of Soldiers: this is violent and offensive
The Soldiers: This is awesome
2DGorillaz22 pretty accurate....
The public wants our servicemen to be known as quivering PTSD people who regret their service. The reality is that many enjoy what they do because the service is honorable and does make a difference, despite MSM propaganda. Warfare is tragic, but to thrive in it you have to be able to learn how to appreciate it's finer points, not be adverse to it. And as tragic as war is, there is nothing worse than surrendering without a fight. Most notable situation of that was known as the holocaust.
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2DGorillaz22 Disregarding how Iraqis may feel about this, of course. Maybe they don't like making the destruction of their country and deaths of their families into a game.
Its too bad that everyone will criticize anything to the fullest extent, even if theres no rationale behind it.
Should have just released it and slapped on a "Not a real depiction of war" fucking, obviously. People are retarded.
Chances are, if the title and the game premise had the names changed just a bit (claiming only to be "loosely inspired" by the events of the battle, it could had been released especially now.
CoD portrayed killing civilians in Russia and the assassination of a Fidel Castro double and while both were controversial, those games ended up being released as they were.
MSM has to pick on the little guy in gaming and everything really.
The thing is, that pretty much happened. Spec-Ops: The Line.
@Owen Hale I can see what you're trying to say, but Six Days in Fellujah wasn't just going to be a narrative on video games, like SO:TL is. It was going to be a narrative on modern war at best. Even if it wanted to do it directly and/or intentionally.
+TheForgery In Black Ops you kill the clone of Castro. Anyway, its part of history and wasn't relevant anymore like the battle in Fallujah. The execution of civilians in Russia is fictional. Theres no equivalency here.
TheForgery dude I can't believe it all the people sons and daughters that died in ww1 and ww2 they could have easily went after cod and battlefield my goodness that's ridiculous
this needs a crowd funded reboot
2023 update: never thought I'd see this game actually come out.
up
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I'm in
Dereck im in!
how about creating a public fund on indiegogo?
Update: *The game is now releasing in 2021 with updated graphics*
i came here to see if anyone else had seen the good new's :)
@@NinesNX we'll see with gameplay
cinematic trailers tend to be not so representative to the actual gameplay so i guess we will see
@@NinesNX maybe but i think this game's main point is to tell the story's of the soldiers that fought there and the people that are hyped are looking for the game they waited for so long to see you know like even if it is bad i mean i'd still get it just to see how it is :) it makes me think about the early day's of gaming when i had my ps2 and i played Black Hawk Down it has that vibe as well
@@NinesNX ua-cam.com/video/BUewHj5VowU/v-deo.html just in case you've not seen this :)
All new devs. Game has been changed a lot with realistic gameplay, realistic graphics, realistic story telling etc.
So, making a game that tries to mimic the grey shades of war (also, approved by military veterans) is more offensive than making a game that is all about bullshit conspiracy theories with inflated dramatics?
Yep, even though making bullshit conspiracy theories that only cloud the truth should be considered more offensive just for the sake of preventing the truth from getting out. Pretty sad to be honest.
I wonder what the other game you're referring to is
i bet if this game was all about killing russians, it would be out on da market with nooo problems. but i dont know
I remember seeing Six Days in the news back when all the controversy blew up... that was over a decade ago, and I still haven't forgotten this game.
I remember a game called Full Spectrum Warrior, a graphic and hard hitting squad based tactical shooter that was set in a fictionalized version of Baghdad with 90% the same backdrop, and it was -FUCKING SPONSORED BY THE US ARMY-... Six Days is set in actual Fallujah, and everybody lost their fucking mind. Double standard if ever there was one.
There's a game now called America's Army: Proving Grounds, which in the steam description says it's "the official game of the U.S. Army"
I still want this game. Imagine it in 4k.
Insurgensy is a good game to fit that need.
@@k3kboi665 without a campaign and subpar realism to focus on the more arcade shooter style...
@@Rskproduct id call the game pretty realistic if you pick one of the harder settings. But there isint a campain as you said.
Squad or insurgency: sandstorm
4k would be mind blowing
Six Days In Fallujah is a prime example of the double standard in entertainment media. Movies can cover events that actually happened but games cant because its interactive.
The same companies that own movie studios also own the news companies. Keep note of that moving forward.
Case in point - Hamburger Hill .
This is a very good point, actually. How many “based on a true story” movies are there? And they usually get a free pass. Hell, some win Oscars.
For a lot of people, games are just toys for children, and nothing more.
And Unfortunately, a lot of modern gaming journalists are also in that side.
@@foxpopulii380 we can have countless games set in a single era of real history but it becomes a problem when the game tries to cover events that actually happened only a handful of years prior to development of the game even starts. Yeah there's the whole "too soon" thing but some people learn about history better via interactive means.
Veterans: That's a cool game
Media and civilians who never have seen combat: ThAtS OfFenSivE
Alexandre Zigle comparing Modern Era US Soldiers to Nazis🤔 i smell capp nigga😂
@@harrymason1090 man stfu
@@harrymason1090 imagine comparing Nazis to people fighting scumbags, what a loser
Soquel_ 831 not a big difference to the civilians they bombed and killed, lives their ruined.
Al spongebob any civilian killed in fallujah has it coming considered they were warned many times weeks in advance that we were coming, don’t want to leave when your city is about to be put in block 3 warfare that’s your own problem
War is horrible, so is media labeling things just for the controvasy, not knowing what they really are.
Great documentary, thanks for the massive amount of effort put into it.
controversy = money
Krash #42
war=money
controversy=money
war+controvery= no money
war-controversy=money x 2
Zani Puppyrhino genius
"Game that tackles a real conflict with an actual story and place and help of veterans of that conflict is ligtening the sacrifice of our soldiers! Let's ban it! And oh yeah, these games that make warfare into infinite-respawn multiplayer sport are totally fine."
...people are such idiotic creatures.
true...
Kyros Droztamyr *mediocre
because you consider the death of individuals in a war america alledgedly started by lying to the UNand spreading soft power propaganda a legitimate "sacrifice"? In that case you're no smater than they are.
L'alien You clearly need to check your facts... you’re stupider Than the press was when this game was revealed
MidnightSt Not idiots. Hypocrites.
*This was right around the same time period where Manhunt, GTA: San Andreas and DOOM 3 got less hate in the media than this game.*
2019 - Modern Warfare with "fictional events" is still concerning "journalists"
True af😂 should have more likes
I really hope these pussies don’t make the game shitty. I swear society sucks dick today
Bryan O ikr the media actually just need to do one and let the people who will actually play the game decide on how it turns out
Goobar 57 yeah man if they don’t like it they don’t have to play it, it’s not a damn game for kids. I hope they make something similar to no Russian mission I miss graphic content like that
praveen g prakash the workd is dumby dumb dumb
Six days in Fallujah would make a great movie title.
Wanna make a movie?
Spicy Gaming // Raijin I am down, I milsim and have the correct gear, be a honor to tell these men's story's.
Milsim = Military Simulator.
Poison rather have those going against me then looking like a fool jumping into a convo without grasping what was being discussed...unless you're trolling in fact you do horrible at btw.
No less for a video game either. I came here because of the name.
Game developers should never listen to people who don't play games.
yugosss good point people like to hate on shit
The people reporting on it and who appear on the shows aren't buying games to begin with. I agree with you. The actual prospective customers liked what they saw and that's all that should matter. It's always the people that aren't affiliated with something that shoot it down.
yugosss your right that's like asking a movie critic what's a good red wine? that's a question for wine connoisseur. devs should listen to the connoisseur not the random critic
yugosss but they do listen to shareholders and anylists.
yugosss well said
I wish there was a way to kickstart 6 Days in Fallujah, maybe get it released on Steam.
felman87 It'd probably feel and look really dated.
Jonathan Morales and?
Ghost Recon 1 came out in 2001 and looks and feels very dated, yet is still great and has a lot of charm. People can appreciate it's quirks if the content is good.
Jonathan Morales Why do you think there's so many 8bit games and sidescrollers on steam that are doing really well
tjs That's different. 2D games age much better than 3D games.
11.02.2021: "It was forgotten by practically everyone. That is until now."
As a former Marine myself I wish it would have released. I would love for this game to see the light of day. I would personally try to be the first in line to buy this. The fellow Marines and fellow service members who all participated in the war on terror and paid the ultimate price deserve us to purchase this game as a tribute to them for the sacrifice they made.
Ignore this coward^ I wish they would have made this game too man.
Thanks for your service man.
Wish I could have been there with you. Recruiters won't talk to me after they find out I've had two heart surgeries. Serving in the military has been my goal since I was a kid, and for all the right reasons. Guess God had other plans.
@@Cyalagen pussy
you wouldn't do shit if he was standing next to you
best part is you know you're wrong too lmao
@@Cyalagen dissapointment
Guys the trailer came out
As a combat veteran, THIS IS THE KIND OF GAME WE NEED! This game honors the fallen and their memory.
Also it shows us the real story of how war it is, a real experience how it supose to be, games like that are the best. It's not only by how the game and the feeling that gaves me, also of how it teach us of how a war is.
@@Cyalagen You should shut the fuck up. You are not safe behind your monitor all the time. There are many people who can find out who you are and where you live. You better stay low bro.
@@Cyalagen
The fuck is wrong with you? Inbred fuckface.
@@Cyalagen it's easy to say that when you're not the one fighting ungrateful shithead
Good onya buddy :)
>Game which uncovers the truth of war that will make one person open their mind about what happens to the said event
>Approved by veterans themselves
>Is actually trashed
>Anti-war group doesn't like depictions of war based on real life
>Still unreleased because of anti-war group
Man. This is a shitty millenia we live in. These sensitive ass needs to stop.
Kenneth Ravanilla
gg.
it wasn't just anti-war groups but i get that you want to push your narrative of evul ess jay dubyahs
It was old people. Why are you talking about millennials?
EUPHORIC Le-WiS “This shitty millennia”
Military families aren't the brightest
I remember 2006-2007 tons and tons of raw footage from Iraq and Afghanistan were all over UA-cam
It was insane to see battles or fights take place literally yesterday than put on UA-cam for anyone to see. I dont necessarily miss those videos but I do miss when UA-cam allowed freedom for thier users...before Google purchased them
Lol Konami feared for their image. If only they knew what state they'd be in in 2017, this game would've been released.
Couldn't agree more.
Fitzgerald Krox how are they doin right now?
Pxndx Lunx Well, they're not exactly on the level of Valve, EA, Activision, and Ubisoft these days...
Konami's a business, and from a business standpoint (AKA their profits,) they're doing really well. They don't need to care about video games very much since that's not where their money's coming from.
But we were talking about their image in the VG industry. This is what they cared about when they dropped fallujah. This is what is shit in 2017 despite fallujah. Duh?
I'm releasing a video game called, 6 hours at my uncle's cabin. Its not released yet.
The Reaper I think you’re gonna meet some resistance with that game.
How's the progress?
@@TK-fy4nu Working on it. Got to jump through some legal hoops and wait for a court case to be over but I'm hype.
@@codydonoghue5082 Not yet but everytime I fart it smells like my uncles breath.
Sounds great.
A fuck ton more people died during D-day (that was vicious and was a real event) and people dont freak out when games don't freak out
Desert Fox Emperor Tom Clancy had a game for that, lol
Чики Брики69 there all dead
But it is still bloodier than Fallujah and we are just simply making games (freely) that we are making fun with those people who died in the beaches.
It's uncancelled, they've got even more veteran feedback, and now Marty O'Donnell is doing the soundtrack.
hell, its about damn time.
It sure was a shame this game was never released ;(
Yeah, it's just another historical shooter.
You don't see people bitching around every time someone makes a WW2 or Vietnam War game.
Chumbziii
To be fair Destiny is superb gameplay wise, it just lacked content and story. Here's hoping that Destiny 2 makes up for it.
I played the shit out of Destiny, and I can tell you, even the gameplay had issues. Particularly Bungie's poor decisions in weapon balance.
Chumbziii I respect your opinion but I love destiny.
It feels like in the recent years people are just afraid to make realistic hardcore games with a campaign, so far Im only seeig Insurgency Sandstorm comin out.
I worked as a QA tester for Destineer games and tested Breach along with several of their other games. I remember being told that most of the maps and assets in the game came directly from Six Days In Fallujah.
One story that sticks in my mind is that I was messing around and discovered that reloading before completely emptying your magazine seemed to cause later reloads to give you incomplete amounts of ammo, e.g. you would wind up with only 21 in your 30 round magazine. I messed with it for a bit and wrote up a bug on it. To my surprise I was told that this was intentional, and found that the game actually kept track of the amount of spent bullets per magazine, and since you only had two or three of them you would eventually cycle back to a magazine with only the bullets that you had not fired previously left in it.
Also the focus of the game seemed to be on the destruction mechanics but they were very poorly realized. There were maybe one or two spots per map where you could plant explosives to break open a wall or destroy a bridge, but they were very easy to reach and would typically be done very early into a match, to the point where they might as well have started that way because it took zero effort to do. The most effective use of the mechanic as found by us testing was to shoot out a single brick of one of the buildings and use it as a sniper peephole.
SuperfluousMoniker you know, tbh I've always had a problem with games in that when you reload a magazine with 18 rounds left, and you have only 12 rounds to spare, they get added together to get 30. I think the the should bring that back were it keeps track of the number of rounds each magazine has.
SuperfluousMoniker oh my god, I've always wanted a game to do this. Keeping track of bullets in each magazine/clip makes so much sense but no major games I've found do it :(
Rising Storm 2: Vietnam.
Check it out. I play it quite a bit. Its what some call a "Lite MilSim". Its not as sim as ARMA, but more so than BF. It has just enough arcadey elements to keep it exciting while maintaining a very realistic environment. The launch trailer is legit gameplay. That is what it is like.
the Red Orchestra series does this, as does the ARMA series and a few others I cant remember, but back in the half-life days, a mod called Firearms had this feature, along with the ability to combine partially empty magazines, which would leave you vulnerable till you were finished.
Insurgency does that
it's ironic that this particular game, striving to mostly accurately depict a real conflict, got so much flak, when cod, the last medal of honor and others had been doing these jingoistic power fantasies making a mockery of wars we've fought, and more completely unrealistically, for many more years and definitely around the time of this game. no justice in this world
Oddly enough, the early WWII-based Call of Duty games, for example 'Call of Duty 2' and 'World at War' were not the power fantasies of later instalments, such as 'Advanced Warfare' and 'Black Ops III'. They sought to depict a chaotic war zone and position the player as an ordinary soldier - not as an OP hero.
"early WWII-based Call of Duty games" "'World at War" lmao world at war came out after cod 4.
Nibula “World at War came after cod 4”
No shit, Sherlock. Besides, World at War is still one of the earlier CoD games (if you wanna get technical). Therefore, I stand by my statement.
Aeron Neff the war picture had currently been going on. Ww1 was 100 years ago, and ww2 was almost 70 years ago
It's probably exactly because it was striving for realism that it got taken down. It strikes too close to home for some, whereas a lame power fantasy with nothing to say can be easily discarded.
THE GAME IS BACK IN DEVELOPMENT!!!!!!
Is that tru?
@@suhasop4919 yep IGN released an announcement trailer a few days ago
fellow californian
DID YOU SEE THE GAME PLAY VIDEO?
I think it's going to be worth the long wait. They really made it look good
I still want to see this game. People keep talking about controversial, that games are only for kids and fun, but that is opinion of people who don't play games. And they are not even think, that games may be more than just a entertainment. They think that if the game is about something controversial, than it must be banned, just because they don't like it. If veterans give their approval, if veterans help make this game, if veterans defend this game, then it must mean something. But no, we have some people that see games only as amusement for stupid children. I would like to see the game, that not only centered on shooting, but also on atmosphere and story. I'm sick of modern warfare games, but if the game will give me something interesting, I'll buy it.
Thanks for the video guys, it was really interesting.
Zloy_dedulya - Well said Sir.
Which is why I'm always happy to see games such as Syrian Warfare on the market - the fact that that game is well received (despite being pro-Assad) is a huge plus too!
Zloy_dedulya if I hit the lottery tomorrow I would definitely find a studio or team to give this game a updated look and engine. I find it absolutely heartbreaking that men who wanted this game to happen, get their stories told and have the memory of their friends honored never got the chance too. Just because a video game can be fun doesn't mean it can't be a emotional heartbreaking story about the horrors of life. The Last of Us tugged at my heart strings more then most movies do and I feel like it's because allowing me to control the character made me so much more invested in it.
ready or not looks pretty good. and with crowd sourcing anything is possible. this game will live one day.
Fat Trillionaire
Did neo-Nazis give their approval when id Software made Wolfenstein 3d? Did Russia give its approval when Infinity Ward made Call of Duty (Treyarch made Cod:Blops)? Do they have to? If so, why?
If Vietnam wants to make a video game where you play as a member of the Vietcong and shoot Americans, go right ahead (I remember them trying to do so anyways, using Cod:Waw's engine). If Hezbollah wants to make a video game where you shoot Izraelis, be my guest (In fact, they did just that: check out Hezbollah's Special Force 2, a Far Cry ripoff). Problem is, those games suck.
Which is exactly why I'm supportive of Syrian Warfare, and seriously hope the Syrian army or Russia won't be offended by it enough to pull it from shelves. And no, I don't think they need Al-Nusra's permission to sell the game.
Well ww2 is a real event right which killed nearly 100 million soldiers and many games are released based on it........ So why falujjah is it blasphamous or something
the punisher hmm think for a minute. When did World War II happen? If you said 1939-1945 then you would be correct. Now let's think when did the Iraq War happen? If you said 2003-2011 then once again you're right. If you would've listened just a bit you would've realized Six Days in Fallujah was released in the middle of this war. While the earliest World War II games where released 30 years after the war. I imagine you can see what I mean here
It wasn’t released
And there were a bunch of games about the Iraq war that released in that time slot
the punisher dumbass
They didnt want it released because in this one city over 800 civilians died most were killed by the americans she didnt want her son to be remembered by the murder he was
I don't see why it had to be so controversial. People never complain about accurate shooters set in other battles such as events of WWII.
Duglife because ww2 is not accurate is fake and Americans were getting pounded obviously if they accurately told ww2 they would ban it
chris Plissken lmao k
As simple as it gets:
Because no one cared.
The only reason why it was controversial was because parents who lost their children started those conversations.
For WWII there were no parents who could start it and the people who fought in it didnt care about a game placed in the setting, especially because they hoped that games will be a warning for the younger generations.
There are a bunch of games set in Iraq that released while it was happening
chris Plissken lol ok
5:38 Now THATS a chin!
Fuck sake man, I’m trying to be respectful and serious, reading everyone’s opinions and you made me laugh out loud from nowhere
come on bro.. i was already engrossed in the vid and then I burst out laughing 🤣
This dude is on of many to be the closest embodiment of "The Chad" meme
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Hey, that was my unit! Thundering third! (3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment) I didn't go to Fallujah though. I joined their fleet right when they got back.
Killa-King Kong that sucks hahaha they were all salty and you were a boot hahaha
I've been out for years man. I don't even care or pay attention to that stuff anymore. I don't even recall what I felt about the Iraq war. LOL
Kidd Kulture People tend to forget that Iraq was under the baath regime, a murderous regime that oppressed the people heavily, a regime that killed their own civilians with weapons such as nerve gas. I believe the Iraq war was a mistake, but I don't think illegitimate intents were behind it.
as someone who is from a family where literally everyone is a military veteran a third of which are combat veterans they often say so what? sometimes defending your country means defending its economy so either way they did their job
Do you know
Capt. JAMES KIMBERS...? Of Lima 3/1 by chance ..
soldier's family : this game should not exist our son thinks its offensive.
soldier: don't speak for me
Blaze it id slap my family if they had said that, speak for yourself
Pxndx Lunx exactly
Blaze it it's funny how the people who are not involved in this were making all the decisions and judgments
That's what middle aged white people do best.
the funny thing is America is an evil country, America commits all sorts of crimes and they go to other countries, kill and rape their people, all over resources and greed, people like that lady's son deserve to die, I hope every soldier fighting for America dies painfully
As an actual veteran, I love the thought of a game about it. It brings to light the plight of brace men in an unpopular war
Nick Ortega the people are very stupid
coming out of the marines in september of 2010, i fell in love with bf3 when it was released a year later, due to its somewhat immersive realism, to the point that i sunk a little over 1800 hours into it. with that being said, i would love to see this game come out.
Nick Ortega
Thank you for your service.
U.S. Army Veteran
12 1/2 years Honorable Service
MOS : 97B/14J
Gulf War Vet
OEF/OFI Vet Deployed to Theatre
Not offended
Thank you for your service.
How would it disrespectful? In a way it immortalizes the men
I think it is disrespectful due to the nature of the war. Iraq war was a unjustified war that stated that Saddam had nuclear weapons. Which caused the effects of millions of lives. Even by today's standard this would be considered war crimes and should be charged.
Now for me if they depict the realilty of the situation i have no problem with this. But it has been stated by the creators that they will not be dwelling over the war crimes that have occured in Fallujah. This is literally wiping the surface clean and rewriting history.
I can understand why people cna be mad. As long as they stayed true to history and could have made it for entertainment purposes.
@@arthurmorgan4942 you don’t need to show the crimes of the few to depict the actions of many
@@Tox1cAshes these are not just a criminal actions. Its war crimes. Dont be a idiot. The entire iraq war was a complete lie. If your making a game about a historic event. At least depict the actual events that occured during the event.
@@arthurmorgan4942 So the death squads Saddam sent out to kill civilians just... Didn't exist? Yeah we definitely shouldn't have fought these people....
@@LitEmbers you didnt go to iraq because Saddam was killing people. You went to iraq because if WMD. Lol do you even read history. Lol embarassing
The worst is the mom of a dead marines who think people will minimize the death of those who fougth she doesn't understood that it will have made possible for people to remenber their dead better or even make people want to know why those man fought
They should revolt more against the real threat. Their government.
Pathetic patriotic.
+SpookyTheCat
I think the problem is that the ones who are protesting aren't gamers, themselves. They think of games as mere entertainment, because the last game they played was Pacman, and let's face it: Pacman didn't offer up much in the immersion and emotion department. The technology just wasn't there yet, but today's games easily rivals both literature and cinema when it comes to emotional impact. There are countless games I have played that have made me completely drained emotionally after it's ended and made me question my world view. I think that this would be such a game. It had the possibility to make the players feel disgusted at the war and how it played out. I would like to know whether it would feel comfortable to have a book published, a movie or documentary made, or is it considered disrespectful to even talk about the battle of Fallujah? May it be taught in schools?
I wanted the game but I doubt if players would notice the sacrifice.
True. This game is a piece of American and Marine Corps history. It's a shame that she didn't see it that way at the time.
I know. The men who fought beside she son in the war know what he would’ve wanted. Because they are in the same situation with him and understand is sacrifice.
First time i have heard of this, this game would have been really cool if it came out a few years later and the delusional people didn't stop it from being released.
The detail is fucking beautiful even for a game that was gonna come out back in the first decade of the 2000's!!!
Watching this while Six Days in Fallujah sits downloaded on my computer rn
I truly do feel sorry for all the families with relatives who died in the Iraq war, but this game seriously would've been a massive success if it were released. The game wasn't meant to glorify violence, it was meant to show a realistic depiction of the Battle of Fallujah, and I understand that.
wales2k liberals I think
wales2k I don't think it would of worked out. It would of gotten destroyed by battle field and call of duty
Golden Triangle this game doesn't look like it was made to compete with CoD or BF
Edwin O'Gray ya ik
Well, it's not like they'd make you shoot civilians or bomb houses, so as an Iraqi myself, I don't see a problem with it (But then again, I don't have any friends who died in Fallujah).
Well my great great grandpa died in WWI, but I still played battlefield 1
Did you die in Battlefireled 1?
Monster
@@level8473 yes, but we re-spawned
@@captainnachoz2111 stfu
Don't you have ppl to ban on fb🤔🤣🤣
The worst thing that the *FAMILIES* were the ones that were ass holes but the *SOLDIERS THAT ACTUALLY FOUGHT IN THE WAR* Liked it and helped the game but The *MEDIA* Always says "THEY ARE PUTIN THA WARRRRR IN A GAEM AND THAT'S BAAAAAAAAD BECAUZE WE DON'T LIKE IIIIITTTTT AND IT'S JUST OUR OPINIOOOOOON!" And everyone start hating it because they heard it on the media,it's always happen when they overhate a game or console
Preach
Blog it homie
I'm an Afghan vet, OEF X 2009-2010. When you have the ACTUAL marines as technical advisors to the game, that is the opposite of offensive. That is honorable. I'll be picking this one up on the release date. It's a great historical battle that deserves to be remembered.
Thank you for serving. And I too wish to see and play this myself. I honestly gives me a better understanding of what you and them went through. For servicemen to give their personal experiences of what they experienced and encountered, if feel that this is important not just for historical value but understanding what real war is. Not just the games like Call of Duty or Modern Warfare where it's just guns blazing all the time.
Those who disapprove of this game don't have any idea what they are talking about.
@@degamispoudegamis watch out! We got a badass over here!
but disgraces the victims of US illegal wars.
Maybe it’s offensive because the marines had no business being there in the first place.
@@ooiiooiiooii They were told where to go and what to do and they did their job.
You make amazing video game documentaries. Keep up the great work
In the fifties it was rocknroll, in the eighties it was horror movies, today it is video games that dont cause violent behavior at all
karottenkoenig so true, its SO ANNOYING
Jack Sin same goes for movies and music of the last decades. Videogames arent asking for it more than any other entertainment medium
Let's also not forget the satanic rituals that were Dungeons & Dragons. ;)
Also, I bet in the future we'll be saying the same about some narcotic substances (say, cannabis)
karottenkoenig studies tell a different story actually. but I still fuck wit em.
To be fair the argument has been there since the 70's, though somehow they haven't figured out that 40 years of making the same false argument doesn't make it any more true.
I like how the mother of the dead veteran appeared on the news with jewellry round her neck, earings and well made hair and yet does not even show any sense of remorse or even a small sense of restrain when talking about her deceased son.
I will state this, the news is a major pest when it comes to games that base themselves on recent historical events. I never heard the news bitching about how the Battlefield series is becoming a haven for young children that resort to petty insults against others, but they bitch about games that are there to educate people about the realities of war, that war is no place for glory.
Humanity is ignorant I tell you...
I agree with you. I think the game Six Days in Fallujah could have been a great educational tool, had it been released
It's not humanity, it's American. Don't group us up with them. If this game is developed in EU, for sure it will see the day of light. I don't think any country that has to glorify war as much as U.S.
If you believe that so, then you are wrong sir for I am European and I know what goes on in Europe.
EDIT: I will also add that it does not matter whether the game was developed in any country, it would have still recieved scrutiny if it was being developed in a different country with some of the developers travelling to America to talk with the veterans.
And after it recieved scrutiny the publishers would still have backed out. No matter the country or continent of development.
Anyway I will still back my statement, all of Humanity is ignorant.
nguyen ba giap you only further his point that humanity is ignorant
@ This is about war. I don't think such country that promote War such as daily advertisement as U.S. You can say that conflict happen regularly between countries, because it will happen regardless: the point here is when U.S promoting WAR as their main industry with such scale, they don't care about their employee at all, and new employees would hesitate to find job in this industry. And about developing in different countries. YES IT MATTERS. You saying it doesn't meaning you know jack shit about culture influence on entertainment products. Not all game are made for everyone.
If all of humanity is ignorant, then so do you, thus your saying is no less ignorant than others.
The revived 6 days in Fallujah is so damn good. They nailed it from the combat to the AI fighting against you and even the dust clouds from explosions are super immersive. I’m glad this game was delayed and it got picked up again b/c it fits right in with the rest of tactical shooter community. They nailed tthe gameplay 10/10 and cannot wait to see what the game has in store a year from now.
So literally every FPS should be banned, also it's ironic that the Marines and soldiers aren't offended.
6000 civilians killed but let's cry about a video game not being released snowflake.
John Kapp 6000 civilians killed, but let's cry about a video game.
Knightmare Gaming right
lol just leave us then play our video games while you go light a candle for those civilians. But im sure that deep inside, you also dont give a fuck about them.
John Kapp Who cares?
The narrator from GamerSpawn? He's back? Yes!
Raycevick didn't expect you be here, then again, some hidden gems know each other sometimes
lol same
holy shit hey man! I love your channel and content!
The problem with this game was timing. Right now this would be fine.
Kingtwood30 Now you can play Insurgency Sandstorm... Well, when it comes out that is
im so pumped for sandstorm
if it were just that they woulda changed the name and released it under the radar. the fact is the game probably sucked and they could make more money and investors off the attention instead and just not release the crap game to ruin any publicity they garnered
This comment did not age well at all.
Who is coming back to this video after it just got revived?
we need to start a petition to have this game finished, polished and released. Consider a tribute to the brave man that fought, bled, and some that died there.
Hi, the game is resurrected now.
Do you realize half the reason the game wasn’t even able to come out was because family members of the deceased soldiers said it was grossly inaccurate and misrepresentative of what happened
@@rickyredbeard8274 is that so?.... How?! Were the relatives there? Grief will cloud reality.. but idk either, the game is in development once again, so i guess we'll find out.
Why? They were all invading terrorists conducting an illegal war. Americans are so brainwashed.
One of the best channels!!! Keep going!
I wish I was rich enough to become a publisher, I would be dropping all sorts of controversial topics no matter what.
If you were, Drop 9/11
@@MM-zw8sm There is a VR game ( i cant remember the name sadly) that kinda simulated the events. You basically spawn in a Skyscraper the whole simulation is you witnessing it exploding. I remember i watched a vid from a streamer who was so shook that he cried.
I’m surprised Rockstar never picked this game up, they could give 2 shits about goddamn controversies
Clausvonclauswitz yes they do
@@DudetaketheBus Unfortunately true both ways, they'd tell stories of all kinds in their single player campaign, but then have the MP be a total grindfest to encourage them buying their premium currency (tho this is probably more of 2k's fault than RS')
As someone who was there, in Fallujah, Nov 2004, I have mixed emotions about this. Granted, this video is now a few years old and today was the first time I have ever heard of this game.
I have mixed emotions because watching this, the 'real' footage of Fallujah, I started to get a bit apprehensive. But I would still buy the game and play it, so long as it was/is accurate enough. That was my problem with titles like Call of Duty or Battlefield, they just were not accurate enough, and why I stopped playing. Hearing what sounded like an 8yr old kid talking smack on a game that I should dominate at given my background.
I do love to concept of educating people though video games. This is not a new concept, one of CoD's focuses was to educate on WW2 with their first release.
When I was in Fallujah, with my Marines, we joked about how someday, someone would make a video game like CoD only about us and what we did "here." We also said there would be blockbuster semi-accurate movies about us. And that by 2020 (today) there would be a Disney World where we were standing just outside the city. One of these came true, and sadly, the media stopped it.
TractorsNStuff I mean American sniper kinda covers fallujah but we definitely need a movie about that fight
It isn’t Fallujah and it isn’t even a real war but I’m curious if you’ve played Spec Ops the Line and how you feel about it as a veteran?
TractorsNStuff hey, a game called Squad just came out with a really great Fallujah map, I think you’ll like that : )
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Who that on the voice over? Tony the tiger or that homeless guy with the golden voice???
or James Earl Jones' brother?
Read the description, dude
Steve Petitt
it literally shows his name in the video, evidently you didn't watch the whole thing
darude sandstorm bro
I love controversial games if I’m gonna play a war game I want them to depict war as bad as it is
Cmon I have nothing againts people beeing protective about their losed loved ones memories, but if someone wants to make a videogame *god damn* let them do it! :/
#ReallySadStory
Video games are a form of art. The fact that this game was practically banned by media influence is something akin to free speech violations. How amazing it is that things such as The Walking Dead can kill kids and people, but realistic death is too JARRING? Fox News has NO PROBLEM justifying the Iraq War as a defense of freedom, but when fake people die based around a war they ENDORSED...it's just hypocritical.
+Jacob Applehoof it's capitalism. The publishers are allowed to pull out of projects as they please because the media was exercising it's freedom of speech which degraded the game to the public eye
X CUBE Gaming Especially since it's honoring them and the hardships they went through.
SandwichLich Thanks for pointing out the obvious.
X CUBE Gaming Okay but you don't see Iraqi families criticizing this game because they have also lost their loved ones because you know, the lives of 3rd world country civilians don't mean shit to anyone they are always expendable.
"You get to die multiple times in a video game and still continue"
Yes. Because I'm not a soldier and I have to get to the end of the story to know what they went through.
This is an uncalled for supression for artistic expression. some games need to be this dark, if they show a brutal depiction of war... Let them do so, it shows us the truth of what happens, we can't just sit here, in a safe space, pretending it's not the same kind as us that is fighting out there, without games such as Valiant Hearts or Spec Ops: The Line, many wouldn't even think to question war. War is a tragedy for everyone involved, man or woman, soldier or civillian. Staying in your safe and closed space only makes the truth hurt harder when it hits.
I swear, the media ruins everything. They're why we can't have nice things.
Hannibal I agree the media is full of liberals.
Stormo Ninja's Impostor got that right
but fox also reported on it. Is that liberal too?
Lemme rephrase that, politics ruin everything.
Stormo Ninja's Impostor eeeh what about Fox?
Yet GTA is totally fine, going around killing and running over innocent people. I feel like Six Days in Fallujah would be a good game to educate people!
Ricky Reynaldi Yeah the goal of gta isn’t to kill civilians but if you want to go for it, it’s just a game
Wasn't gta banned in several countries?
Fail To Load Oh I didn’t know that. I’m gonna search it up. But what I was saying was that video games shouldn’t be released only if they touch sensitive topics nowadays like school shootings or stuff like that, gta doesn’t touch any of this stuff
Ricky Reynaldi You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Eventually you’re going to kill a civilian out of fun or target practice. then in self preservation take out 80 of the LSPD officers. Yeah
Ellithejoker You can’t compare war to school shootings. School shootings are inhuman. War though being Immoral has a perpose even if civilians die more will suffer if nothing is done. What point does school shootings serve? War is about sacrifice for a greater good
I hope someone decides to actually finish and release this game. It looked so good
Now it’s back
You’re wish became true
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yeah *much* less offensive :/
lets add black female nazi's into it, then it will be fine.
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..This game needs to be released on steam..
Accidental TOAST And on consoles. It needs to reach as many people as possible.
The only thing we could do now is think "what if..."
I was in the first battle of fallujah (the smaller one) and later, operation steel curtain. I would have enjoyed this game more than likely. Mostly for the stories those guys are willing to tell and to give my respect. The top comments are spot on! S/F
I understand the pain the families are feeling and that this might open wounds but in reality the arguments are specious at best. By the same logic someone could say "my Father died in Vietnam so lets not have any Vietnam battle depictions" or "my Grandfather died in Normandy on D-Day so lets not have any WWII battle depictions." Why is the Fallujah battle any more sensitive than any other depiction of an actual battle? These battles happened, people actually died. Are you going to rewrite history and pretend none of it happened?
As far as the desensitization argument is concerned, that horse left the stable along time ago. Any FPS that allows players to simulate being killed and respawning is going to have the same so-called desensitization effect whether it is depicting a real scenario or complete fantasy so it holds no water either. So by that logic everything needs to be banned. Yeah...right. Good luck with that.
Exactly, if people want the desensitization taken away, it would put this game up with the Military simulators like Escape from Tarkov, ARMA, Squad etc...
My opa was a Nazi, so I am offended by all the games that let you kill Nazis(Just kidding. Nazis are the only enemy that can be digitally killed en-mass with no guilt and my opa was a bigoted asshole.)
One might argue that it was because Fallujah wasn't a victory(at least not until Operation Phantom Fury in November), coupled with people being ignorant about video games. Although the oppostion by Anti-war groups made little sense; there is a game that shows the horror of war and they didn't want it???? like what the fuck.
I believe it mostly stems from the perception old people have of video games, seeing them as a medium for vapid entertainment meant to glorify violence and get a high score.
Had they known their function as a narrative vessel around the time the game was being made, their tone likely would have changed, but for all they knew, the game might as well have been DOOM with a Fallujah skin on it.
I was sad and honoured I got to play someone with the surname Anderson in battlefield 1 cause if you translate my name from cree/syllabics it means Anderson. And I lost a great grandfather who died going over the trench in WW1.
Look. I'm anti-war, alright? However, I think this game should've been released. More games like this should be released. Battles and wars are part of history and immersing oneself in a virtual recreation seems to be the best way to show what it was like to participate in it.
I'm sorry if this comment is a few months late, but I totally agree. But I'm not anti-war, the thing is, our populations need to understand what happens in war. I honestly say we should have games depicting real battles, real controversies. Give the player a squad of people, hell, in the eyes of a real soldier giving his detailed story and how he felt through the narrative. Then at the end, give an unbiased list of events at the end. Casualties, names, property damage, total war cost, and pictures of the soldier/squad actually there. The player will feel the impact, no hollywood b.s. It would respect the service member. And respect those who were in the area of conflict.
Read a fucking book.
Félix Veilleux-Ouellet communists killed more than nazis did
Félix Veilleux-Ouellet I can't completely agree since games are built to entertain and thus give the player a certain degree of power, along with the fact that it's clearly a game and disconnected from reality.
Im not anti war, but I think your answer is great! The best way to get someone to be antiwar is to let them see it and understand it upfront. To have them immersed in that experience. To let them choose how they wish to interpret conflict. Its less about convincing, and more about showing. Because to convince usually implies lies or fudged truth. To show, however, to show is truth and fair. A plain representation of facts without judgement or bias. To show is the proper course, to let them decide which cause is just. So yes, two people may play it and come out thinking oppositely, but in the end what matters is that they experienced and made their own choice.
If this was too gritty, where were these people when "Spec Ops: The Line" came out?
Unfortunately, people instinctively place an emphasis on the name and place of things. Nothing wrong with that, but it leads to this. Had this game been named something different, it would've slipped right under the radar probably. So yeah, that's why Spec Ops got away with it, it's a purely fictional conflict. Fallujah isn't. I don't agree with their perspective in the slightest, but I can see why someone could come to that conclusion.
>Countless movies glorify war: It's fine
>One game tries to depict a recent military conflict: IT'S GLORIFYING WAR, CANCEL IT!!
It's all art. Who really gives a shit? Who is getting hurt here? No responsible parent is going to buy their kid an M-rated game called "Six Days in Fallujah." It's all art, if you don't like it, you don't have to pay attention.
What's funny is it's coming out this year
Well it has come to surface that the creators of this game will not be depicting the war crimes in Falluja. So it does seem a bit weird why you would not depict the reality of the game even tho you cna make the game entertainment such as spec ops.
@@arthurmorgan4942 Yeah that feels kinda weird. Like you should at least try and depict it accurately.
@@nate.draws.things agree
@@arthurmorgan4942 Not many war crimes happened over there but go ahead and believe in the lies they tell you. Civilians getting caught in the crossfire isn't a war crime, but rather civilians being stupid
The way the press sees it, "Oh it's gonna just make fun and mock the events of what happened". Where as the way I see it, "It's a game to help immerse and understand what was happening in the war, and to remember what happened."
Uh, well I wouldn't consider a game a benchmark for historical accuracy. Look at all the misconceptions people have on WWI now from Battlefield 1. However I think the game should be released on the grounds of being fun, like any other game.
Dave Smith Looks to be this game would be centered on historical accuracy. Where as battlefield 1 purposely sacrificed historical accuracy for fun's sake.
Bf1 would suck if it was historically accurate. Everyone with a no scope bolt action rifle? Zzzzzz
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I can solve this right now with one addition:
Permadeath.
Now the mechanics align with the theme. Bam.
actually I was just thinking about this. Permadeath, but it's not the end of the game. When the character you play as dies, or someone in your party dies, they're gone. Sure, there will likely be fill ins, but those pre selected fill ins will be different.
When you die, you switch to a different character. The character you played as is gone forever, along with the rest of your squad who died.
Over time this takes a toll on you. If you fail the mission, then you can play it again and try again with new replacements. If all of your squad dies, Game over for good.
If there was a hardcore mode that only relied on playing one character, if you did end up dying thus ending the game entirely would upset a lot of casuals. Nobody can seem to put their foot down and have some balls in this day and age. You have to appease the masses of mouth breather snowflake sheep. Amongst the backlash, there's always a cave in and apology. Some situations don't warrant the apology but they do to save face. Snowflakes wonder why the game market has been watered down and drying out is because they complain about everything which puts publishers in a rock and a hard place. Then the final product is a recycled generic flop that's poorly received by consumers. Way to ruin it for everyone.
@@BasedGodEmperorTrump Doom 2016 had a permadeath in the difficulty ultra nightmare if you died you were done and had to start all over atleast ID Software still has some balls
@@ProvoMcCrayoneater that actually sounds great like i could imagine being extra cautious about my movements
Exactly what I was thinking about man, if you feel that it is offensive because “you can respawn”
Then put it one life only, I would still play it. Even if I die and I have to start it all over again.
We do have Spec Ops: The Line which explores similar themes.. It's not Six Days in Fallujah, but definitely in the same vein for those interested in exploring more insightful military shooters :(
Peter Klick
"How many Americans have you killed today"
"Do you feel like a hero yet?"
That game is enough to give anyone PTSD. Goodness knows how visceral and emotional this game would be. I believe the only devs to do this game justice would be those that developed Spec Ops. They'd treat it with the dignity and respect it deserves.
namor357 It had a very profound effect on me after playing it. At the time, I was studying Heart of Darkness in one of my literature courses and Spec Ops was very similar. It's a very haunting game and those lines especially hit me hard. The devs who made Spec Ops would be ideal for Six Days in Fallujah, they'd treat the vets who fought in the battle and the situation with the respect it does indeed deserve.
That game really made me think.
I played that game and I didn't have PTSD, but damn, I sure as hell felt something.
That game was one of my favorite story based games, and I loved the controversy in it.
I typically play milsims, which is why I stayed away from that game for awhile, since it seemed like your very typical 'shoot-em-up.'
But the end of the game really made the whole thing worth it.
Peter Klick Even MoH 2010 and some missions in MW1 and 2
Peter Klick the best 3rd person military game out there....I'm replaying it right now. Great story....
11:20 Holy cow, it actually released a few days ago on Steam.
If I had a family member die in battle, and a game was made about said battle or had that battle brought up as a mission, like Six days in Fallujah, I would want the game to be released, if only to expose the events to a wider audience. A game about war, especially like battlefield 1, that doesn't tone down the historical value for the sake of gameplay, wouldn't desensitize people, it would just broaden the awareness of said event.
Symion Battlefield One is a bad example...
You know that game still has to be a game and it’s ea so yah if your talking about war stories then it may an over action but it still show the bad of war
Izaiah Florés not exactly. World War I is my life long passion and I’m going for my masters and doctorate in history.
Of course B1 wasn’t 100% accurate, it showed the impact of the war and how disposable soldiers were. There’s far more I can say but because EA it’s automatically bad right?
@@AnonYmous-zt6kr Calling American soldiers animalistic and subhuman is so fucking wrong. As an anonymous person put it, the difference between the good guys and the bad guys is whether they use human shields, or make themselves the human shields. Not only that, but the civilians that stayed in Fallujah even after the order to evacuate was given were either complete morons or were conspiring with the insurgents.
"Was not released because it's deemed to be 'offensive' and too 'sensitive'"
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The game "This war of mine" harbors sensitive materials about war, but nobody bats an eye
It's close of having the level of this kind of immersive gameplay, in my aspect.
So why do they have to keep this one on the stock room?
Tom Jason "Big Brother" just doesn't want people to discover the truth about war, so war money would keep on flowing.
Tom Jason children can die in this war of mine and they don't give one fuck
Not to be on a certain side, but 6DIF was just doing it on a wrong time. This War Of Mine released it on the correct time. If just 6DIF got a remaster during the times when This War Of Mine was released, they could have been more successful than TWOM, since has got some demand from those who once hyped on it.
Lets just make a petition or some donation site to remaster 6DIF
Raihan Purboyo "big brother doesn't want people to discover the truth"
Yet This War of Mine still exists. yeah there sure is a "big brother" all right
I think now is a great time to release a game like this. People are tired of the futuristic bullshit the last 5 years have given us.
Futuristic bullshit is best bullshit :3
if they start the development now, by the time the game is ready people will have changed their minds again!
SQUAD
Thx kind sir
CoD: *Makes Black Ops set in Vietnam where America committed so many war crimes and where 2 million civilians died*
Media: 🙂
SDF: *makes game about a battle that veterans actually like*
Media: tHaT's OfFeNsIvE
@HW Expert 2 million vs 800,000...Hmmmm I wonder which is more
@HW Expert ik its a lot but the war crimes in Vietnam were much worse
@odessa 14 shut up you easily manipulated pawn of what I regrettably call a human being. In nam the veterans didnt want to fucking be there hence why fragging was so common. And in iraq oh iraq 500000 civilians dead and not even a collective tear from the west.
My point is, SNOWFLAKES STOPPED US FROM HAVING A COOL, REALISTIC AND FUN GAME! NOT JUST THAT BUT GAMES LIKE SANDSTORM AND COOL REALISTIC GAMES ARE ONLY ON PC
What about Vietnam vets that did nothing did they get called a baby killer
1) Gaming companies have to be OBLIGED to resist (at the very least, ignore) visibly biased and manipulatory crap like Fox News. Actually, scratch that, literally everyone in the world has to be obliged to do so.
2) Nobody resisted oh-so-many games and films which featured (often fictionalized) battles from World War II and the Vietnam War.
3) As MrSquifler already stated, it's fascinating how surviving soldiers from the battle actually contributed to the game, while select civilians wanted to prevent it from releasing for no real reason. War is shit, we all get it, but I'd take shooting ones and zeroes over real flesh-and-blood people. Contradictingly, games based on conflict and war often bring people together (okay, let's discard some toxic modern multiplayer communities for the sake of the argument), as people who play them share their experiences, challenge each other, have their fun, and carry on with their lives.
4) Desensitizing to violence cannot happen in a healthy mind. All crime that is blamed on gaming, which certain mainstream media is so quick to blindly parrot for their own petty reasons, was done by people who already had serious psychological problems, and games weren't anything more than *one of* the catalysts. A mentally healthy person in a violent real-life situation will, apart from manifesting needs and actions meant to stay alive, will show shock, fear and absolute hatred for the situation that person is in, and do whatever is necessary to keep themselves and people around them safe as much as possible.
Preaching to the choir, I guess, but I felt I had to.
Also, to GVMERS, I loved the video itself, and good job on getting in touch with a dev!
4) is wrong, though. The military actually had to develop their training to take desensitization into account. One of the reason human silhouette targets are used rather than traditional bullseye targets was to condition the shooter.
I know I am desensitized to violence due to videogames and the internet. I've seen enough that it doesn't shock me, and I remember when it used to make me squirm. That's desensitization. Does it mean I'm violent? No. Just that I'm desensitized.
desensitizing of violence can happen do to violent movies or video games- but being desensitized to violence is not necessarily a bad thing- being desensitized to violence is NOT the same thing as being amoral or having no sense of right and wrong.
+Filipe Amaral You say this, but I wonder what would happen if you suddenly found yourself in a warzone or during some shooting (I'm just making an argument, I do NOT wish this upon you!), if you would act completely differently. You claim to be desensitized to violence, but how do you know you're not simply desensitized to violence in entertainment olny?
+PlokiteWolf you're moving the goalposts. I said I am desensitized to depictions of violence, real or virtual (I think I made it pretty clear that even when it's not entertainment I can handle it). I did not say I am desensitized to adrenaline, fight or flight response or just plain old high stress environments.
You said desensitization cannot happen to a healthy mind. Now you're backpedaling. I simply stated you're wrong, but you don't want to be wrong so you're coming up with caveats rather than admitting you went overboard when trying to expose a concept.
Desensitization to a real shooting can only happen after you've been shot at. One of the abstractions used by the military (I don't know at which point they stopped doing this, if they have) is the low crawl under barbed wire while live ammunition is being fired above (in reality the bullets would be flying 10ft over their heads, but the notion of them whizzing past is just as scary). I've googled it as I have found people saying it happened in bootcamp as late as the 1990's and the most recent testimony I could find was from 2003. It's possible that such live fire training is not performed in bootcamp anymore but still reserved for more advanced infantry training. And like I said human-looking targets were used to increase the rate of soldiers willing to kill, along with other psychological tactics of shared responsibility, telling soldiers they're not killing but saving the comrade to their side, etc.
I have experienced desensitization myself due to combat sports. In my first fight I was so stressed that I could only throw the left jab and the right low-kick. Since then I do not feel stress while in the ring. By your logic I do not have a healthy mind because I've been able to overcome the "normal" responses to danger.
PlokiteWolf hey it's Plokite :D
Truth is not appealing for mass media
You need to copyright that quote. Absolute gold.
I would've played the fuck outta this game!
The people saying that this glorifies war are the same people who hated Fury, Saving Private Ryan, Black Hawk Down, Jarhead, We Were Soldiers etc... purely because it was set in wartime and it was violent. These games and films DO NOT glorify war, they show war in it's worst state, and show viewers that there is nothing good about war.
We have games like Rainbow Six, and the SWAT series, which with the constant terrorist threat of recent memories, should've been torn a new one by SJWs
And Spec Ops: The Line, whilst not set in a current war, should've been absolutely decimated by SJWs, I'll mention the use of white phosphorus and say no more so as not to spoil the game
And shall I mention the fact that Grand Theft Auto 5 is still stronger than ever? A game where murder, prostitution, torture, theft and arson are wholly encouraged.
Bluestone 42 was a comedy series released by the BBC about a bomb disposal unit in Afghanistan. A COMEDY SERIES SET IN ONE OF THE MOST RECENT AND BLOODY WARS TO DATE. I don't hear anyone complaining about that...
As soon as someone goes out of their way to make a game, film, book, or even an opinion about a morally grey area such as Iraq or Afghanistan, they are immediately shot down, unless they have tons of cash on hand to shut the press up.
If anything, we should be complaining about the recent CoD games. The arcade style, run and gun style of gameplay along with the gun-ho attitude of every character there is in fact more damaging to the image of war than ANY of these games. Sure there will be one or two players who are ignorant to the message behind it, but thats why games like classic R6, Because of their steep learning curve they attracted serious players, not 14 year old sweats *Cough Cough* Siege *Cough*
Six Days In Fallujah was one of these R6 style games, and therefore, would attract a more mature crowd of gamers who would've taken the game seriously and respected the deeper meaning behind the game.
Keep in mind that the game was not made in bad taste, the soldiers who were there directly assisted with the games development, as the video mentioned, and I'm not saying that the friends and family of those soldiers who were killed do not deserve to have a say or deserve to grieve. But that's the problem, no one was forcing the game on anyone. As with anything, sex, drugs, exercise, if you don't like it, don't do it.
I personally think that a game of this calibre has a chance to come back nowadays, there IS a market for this type of game still, as I said, I would've loved this game, had it had been released, and I know there are people who agree with me (Just look at the comments) It would be a real shame to see all this effort in programming what looks like a spectacular game go to waste because it was released at the wrong time.
There was also Generation Kill. It was humorous and set in the invasion of Baghdad. It was also serious
Well bloody said
William Maiden the whole Iraq war was illegal.
I only read the first couple paragraphs, but I disagree when you say saving Private Ryan doesn't glorify war. There are very deliberate filming tactics to make the viewer empathize with American deaths much more than anyone else's, which elicits an urge from the viewer to want to go kill some Nazis. A lot of the other movies you had on that list also do the same thing. All they really do is pump you the fuck up to go kill some idea of a "bad guy". A GOOD war movie makes you realize how fucked up killing people is in general, makes you question the war economy that we've created and makes you want to STOP war from happening anymore... not make you want to put on your boots and your helmet and go kick ass.
2021: Ok time to Revive this
It's cases like these that set the medium back. Video games should be respected like movies just the same.
People are really afraid that if kids got to play video games about war, some day humankind would see war in real life. I didn't know that George W. Bush was an avid video game player. Since he and his administration choosed to attack Iraq, he must have been playing a copious number of violent video games to come up with that idea.
Proponents of the "video games make people violent" movement has their causality messed up. There isn't violence in the world because there are violent video games. Rather, there are violent video games because there is violence in the world.
Exactly, the only difference is that video games have more immersion because you play as the people themselves.
Many people aren't ready for what the interactive medium is capable of.
richardisraving video games are literal art and deserve the respect that comes with that title
They ARE being respected... *for the money they’re making*
lost 100 guys in a city over a year in Irak; can't make a game
lose 8 millions civilians and hundred of solider in 5 years, let's make 100 games about it
Sooo the media and society destroyed this game because it was "offensive" and "controversial", but when I complain about women in COD WWII, I'm a sexist asshole that is complaining for no reason? Yeah ok humanity that makes so much sense
Trust me, a chunk of us women think it's stupid to put women soldiers in a WW2 game. I mean you could have them be nurses in the medical unit- that would be awesome . Put them in civilian roles, etc.
They may not have fought like the men, but they were still part of the story, and that's fine. Don't need them as soldiers.
Historical accuracy doesn't seem to matter anymore
Steamy Ramen Ikr it's like taking the Confederate flag out of the Civil War 😂
Steamy Ramen If the games released in countries like Germany then it is legally required to censor the swatiska.
kallie kat True, but that's why they can use the Iron Cross in countries where it's censored and the actual Swastika in countries that fully allow freedom of speech. They have both assets in the game already so it wouldn't cost them anymore money to do it like that