@@fabo0913 well of course Bron will be talked about. However MJ being talked about before the social media boom is more impressive imo. Bron is probably the 2nd best all time once it’s said and done
Lebron easily cares more about being considered the goat. And the reason is this. MJ has never said he is the GOAT, therefore he has never tried to push the narrative. He has only ever been called the GOAT by his peers and majority of fans. Lebron has made claims he is the GOAT, therefore he has felt he needs to push the narrative. So Lebron clearly cares more about being the GOAT. However, real the GOAT doesn't need to say I am the GOAT, your peers do that for you. Which is exactly why MJ is the real GOAT.
MJ didn’t have the pressure that LeBron had. Expectations were put on him as an 28 year old KID. Did so many things that others haven’t. No disrespect to Jordan but the fact that LeBron gets talked about when nothing concerns him tells me he’s the goat
Oh and somebody had also mentioned it. Jordan does text Stephen A Smith on the side privately & to tell SAS to praise him on First Take. Which he does occasionally. Maybe Jordan pays him for promo 🤔
2 peats in who they have face, and basketball is all about match-up..mostly low level IQ will say that he is undisputed goat but if your IQ is as high as Greg Popovich then he will choose LeBron is the real GOAT.. today's athlete are far more equipped and more skilled than yesterday!
@@Redclxxd start the debate then. Also I’m 20, born in 03. I’m not an old fart. I usually win these tho bc you bronsexuals will usually stop commenting and remember you commented on my shit.
@@RedclxxdI’m 20, born in 03 so I’m not an old fart. Start the debate bc I always win these anyway. You bronsexuals usually stop commenting and remember you came commenting on my shit.
@@Redclxxd Anyone who says LeBron is the GOAT are 1) Kids who know know absolutely nothing about basketball. or 2) Someone with a personal affiliation with LeBron or simply hate Jordan.
@@Redclxxd The only thing Lebron is the goat of is running from team to team with other superstars as thE only way he can win anything...LOSER MENTALITY!! 🤣🤣🤣
Lebron has been to the Finals more than 27 Franchises, meanwhile Jordan has more Chips then 27 Franchises. One guy gets credit for showing up, while the other guy just wins when there.
10x Scoring titles champ, 9x All Defensive team, 1 DPOY, 5x MVP, 6x FMVP, 6x championship ring, 1 NCAA championship ring JUST TO NAME A FEW maybe good enough for the goat conversation ?
Each 3peat themselves can separately be considered Hall of Fame careers….You could also make the debate the years before he won could be Hall of Fane worthy…He still holds the highest scoring average in NBA history…
Plus TWO threepeats, (almost TWO) 70 WIN seasons (1997, 69-13), plus MJ is the ONLY player to win scoring title + MVP + NBA championship + NBA Finals MVP + NBA All Defensive Team and he did all that FOUR TIMES. Lebron hasn't even done that ONCE!
Lebron had to play 118 more games to draw level with MJ. Lebron played 45,970 minutes. While MJ played 41,011 for the same amount of career points. Lebron had to play 4,959 more minutes then Jordan just to draw level.
Your tripping. Lebrons journey is way more compelling and different. Jordan didn’t have any expectations in his career. There’s levels to this and Bron excelled in every aspect. Jordan doesn’t even know what pressure and expectations feel like.
As he said I don't play for stats only chips. If he played 20 years like Stat boy Lebron the scoring title would be untouchable. Anybody that says Lebron never seen MJ play MJ don't care what they say of who's the goat just Google his 13 yr career. Everytime he stepped on the court he was the best no matter who was on the court with him.
That is a meaningless statement. Not being the same does not mean not being incredibly difficult and impressive. Red is not the same color as yellow, but in terms of the color spectrum indicative of the energy of fire, they are both burning hot. See what happens when you add specificity and context.
@@ScottRachelson777 what does what you're saying have to do with "going aint the same as winning" which is a fact. no where did I downplay Bron's greatest, rather just pointed out a OVERLOOKED fact.
@@ScottRachelson777 Difficult? 🤣🤣 Lebron only went to the finals that many times because he had to run from team to team with other superstars in what was already a WEAK EAST. How was it possible for him not to go to the finals every year in such a WEAK EAST stacking his teams with Wade, Bosh and great role players/semi-stars like Ray Allen, Battier, Haslem, Mike Miller etc. Then when that stopped working he ran again to the Cavs to team up with Kyrie, Kevin Love and other great role players in a WEAK EAST! How is that "difficult'" or "impressive"???? He knew that he wasn't good enough to do it the natural way like MJ so his formula is to run from team to team with other superstars and great role players AND STILL LOST 6 TIMES!!! LOSER MENTALITY WHICH YOU CLEARLY HAVE IN COMMON WITH HIM!! 🤣🤣🤣
Luckily for Lbj Melo was not drafted by Pistons would have changed the championship picture for Lb'sj legacy. They both the best in their generation but for me Mj 🐐
@@dg.seymour855 I think so too Melo might have 2 rings that time Dallas might have won in 2006 and not 2011 that Miami team would probably Melo Lbj and Wade...
LeBron does, duh... He's always asking for it, always mentioning GOATs, respect, flowers, all time status - I think it's crystal clear that he's obsessed with getting appreciated - MJ just did it, and deflected any and every question about GOATs that he was asked. Classy all the way. None of that Gimme-gimme sh*t that today's "superstars" keep doing - latest being KD asking to be included in the conversation... Like, wtf 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
legend ?? Most of the legends who say LEBRON THE GOAT are Jordan haters@@JiGGaVeLii007 ... and larry bird never said LEBRON the goat...he just acknowledged that the quality of longevity that lebron has is what separates him from other players.. but it doesnt mean Bird say lebron the goat.. lol ...GO HOME BRONSEXUAL.
@@JiGGaVeLii007no they don’t. They even put Kobe over Bron. Only ones that say LeBron is goat is shills on espn and ppl like Isiah Thomas that hate Jordan
For this generation (anyone born on or after 05) most will say LeBron is their goat. The basketball purest and the parent or grandparent of these kids will say Jordan, Kareem, or Bill Russell. What makes Mike the goat 🐐 is he and his teammates never saw a game 7️⃣ in 3️⃣ separate 3️⃣ peats unlike Russell who eleven but was pushed on the brink in many of those. Jordan is the ultimate closer and finisher not allowing his teams to get a glimpse of that pressure for winner take all.
@@JamesSmith-gz1zn he’s bigger stronger faster, more athletic he has a higher basketball I.Q… he has lead the league in scoring and also lead the league in Assist and still resulted in winning a title that year… you can make a 30+ minute highlight real of him chasing down players and pinning layups to the back board… you can do the same with long range 3 pts shots, assist, poster dunks, break away dunks … he played against tougher opponents in the Finals and played in a much more balanced NBA as far as talent is concerned… he was robbed out of several MVP awards and defensive player awards… he pretty much Jordan, Pippen and Rodman wrapped into one player as far as talent is concerned… everyone is now trying to put Kobe in the mix of the conversation as if he was just like MJ…. Ok well Lebron played against him and beat him 16 times out of 22 matchups….
@@repentyasharahla7632you have fair points on why Lebron is better although I disagree, but to say Lebron is Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman rolled into one player? Nah no way lol
Crazy how people dismiss losing in the NBA Finals like it isn't that big of a deal. Reality is when anyone as great as MJ, Bron, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Kobe, etc. it's splitting hair on who you think is the greatest. Some people act like it's criminal to mention Bron's melt down against the Spurs in 2011, or the 4-6 record. You have to be an idiot to not recognize LeBron James is one of the greatest athletes and NBA players in the history of life, but he still went through adversity like anyone else including MJ. The difference with MJ was even though he lost to the Celtics and Pistons early in his career that dude always showed up and produced period. Everybody knew MJ was going to show up and do his part and beyond even when he lost.
There are NBA players (i.e. Elliot Williams, Cherokee Parks, etc.); there are underrated and/or forgotten players (i.e. Shawn Kemp, "Pistol Pete," etc.); phenomenal players (i.e. "The Dream," "The Black Mamba" (RIP/Risen Into Paradise);... ...and then there's MJ!
Anyone who actually knows how to discern, knows that it's Lebron. Jordan cared about winning and beating his contemporaries at the time he was in the league. If he really cared about legacy, he wouldn't have retired twice. Lebron on the other hand cares more about being labeled the GOAT that's why he goes out his way to recruit different players to help elevate his chances of winning. That's why those who think MJ is the GOAT, think he is and forever will be.
It’s because Bron never got a fair shot to allow his career to grow. Everything he did was immediately compared to Mike. That was just who the league compared every wing player too. So it’s never your own career being carved out into greatness. It’s “do you have 6 rings? You’ll never be better then Mike” but realistically, how isn’t a 6’8 250 lbs guy that has no weakness offensively nor defensively be better? Just logically speaking lol 21 years straight 4 rings and brought one to LA what more could he do man😂
The league wouldn't be where it is without Magic vs Bird rivalry and it definitely wouldn't be where it is without MJ from there. Bron is def one of the top players but hard to even put him in the top 10 of GOATs imo. He's just been more consistent off the bat than most which is why his stats are so up there.
MJ took the league to unimaginable heights and completely redefined what a sports superstar is. He's the GOAT if you ask me. That said, I do believe that Magic Johnson and Larry Bird are very likely the two MOST IMPORTANT players in NBA history for what they did when the league was floundering in the late 70s. The importance of both Magic and Bird just cannot be overstated.
@@moneymoney3235 He was beating Wilt and a bunch of janitors, the 60s was a 8 team rec league, I don't even rank players before the merger, that era doesn't count to me..
@730… Pure delusion. The *only* reason there was ever a ‘debate’ is because of all the lies Nick Wright, Shannon Sharpe & co told y’all on a daily basis about Mike. If they told you the truth about Mike and Lebron there is no debate.
I hear Melo... but both Mike and Bron have jumped out there on this at least *fairly* recently. Bron made the statement calling himself the greatest ever after the 2016 chip. Mike felt some whole ass type of way about it enough to green light The Last Dance in response.. so both of them feel it and care about it. But yeah Mike been there for 30 years already.. even knowing how maniacal he is about competition there's no way he can be AS hungry about it as Bron.. but both of them still on it fr
He said " in my mind I'm the greatest" Goats don't quit before a series even starts against GSW with KD and say that's a jugger knot. MJ would never say that
JORDAN CAME TO THE LEAGUE 21 IT TUCK HIM TILL HE WAS 32 TO GET A SHOT AT A RING WITH ANOTHER STAR PLAYER SCOTTIE… LEBRON 3rd YEAR AT AGE 21 MAKES THE FINALS WITH NOBODY … HOW IM NOT BETTER THEN U?!
Kobe is elite but still a slightly lesser version of Jordan. He won two rings cause of Shaq, and didn't make teammates better the way Jordan and LeBron do
@@CitizenoftheWorld1shaq lost with penny and didn’t win with all star nick van excel and Eddie jones🤫and shaq put up godly numbers against ric smiths Keith van horn and a old mutombo 😭
You do know the goat conversation doesn't exist far as 1 goat for all. Your very comment is the reason those talks need to end cuz there is no way Bron is better than Kobe
I'm a bron and mj fan and i don't think there can be a single goat. Too many different variables and changes to the game in different eras to accurately compare
I agree! You can only judge a player on how much superior they were to the competition they faced. In my eyes, that why Bill Russell, Kareem and MJ are the greatest 3 of all time. They absolutely dominated the competition like no other has done.
the way we talk about these players being dominant as if its a solo sport like boxing or golf. LeBron been just as dominant as those guys individually but you have to account for the teammates as well who showed up/ didn't show up and if the team mates was great within their specific roles. Without those guys showing up and being good in their specific roles it doesn't equates to winning as much no matter how dominant a specific player is. MJ was killing in the 80s but didn't win nothing LeBron was dominant against the warriors and only won once because the warriors had a superior TEAM @@MikeJones-ne1og
Jordan never felt like the Goat but he did say he was the best a few times. Lebron did something that made him feel like the Goat and it was just his feelings. So you cant say he cant say it because the fans not saying it. The fans calling Jordan the Goat and HE dont agree. That dont make the fans right! Truth is there are great players and thats it really. There's the people choice Goat. And the statistical Goat. It sounds like two Goats. One is the favorite.
Yes! We can't infer that LeBron is still playing because he LOVES the game. It must only be because of the thing you said. Talk about a one-track mind!
Mike wanted it when he was trying to over take DrJ, Larry and Magic. By the time he was on the Wizards he tried to backtrack because he didn't want them years included in his legacy
Lebron's teammates let him down like ppl talk about oh he joined forces with Kevin love who shows up in an elimination game with 6 points like WTF is that for a superstar.
Jordan doesn't care cause he knows he's cemented in Platinum. Lebron is not there. That shit is so manufactured. The gap is bigger than Kevin Durant's career accolades and rings
But the way Mike cuffed 6 rings within an 8 year span showed the hungry monster Jordan was to win it all. I defend LeBron too and man, do I appreciate his game. We’re blessed to see a player like him that not many of us will ever recognize
Goat of needing to run from team to team with other superstars so he could win anything...and losing 6 times in the finals...yup he's the goat at that!! 🤣🤣
It’s not good when the only argument is what ifs and to minimize accomplishments no one else achieved just to elevate your guy. Men lie, women lie but numbers don’t. If Mike played 20 years he’d have 15 rings. Well he didn’t. Maybe if he won in the first round exits he’d have more. Facts on facts
MJ doesn't care nearly as much as Bron does. Bron is the only one out of the two who has ever uttered the words. Jordan to me is the GOAT not merely because of accolades, but because what he did can't be done again. When Bird and Magic held the league up, it wasn't as globally accepted until MJ came with that swag, grace, and dominance. He put the sport of basketball on notice worldwide, on his back, and its never been the same since. And the league still thrives off of his greatness some 20 years even after his retirement. And is still the benchmark every player after him aspires to reach.
MJ the Goat 🐐 Kobe #2 Bron #3 We dont care how many times you achieve second place. If thats the case Jerry West breaks top 10. MJ knew Kobe passed him on individual skills attributes because of the game changing. MJ knows Kobe is still closer to him than Bron still.
being the goat is not just about rings , bill russell might have the most rings, but then did he won all of those fmvp? im not comparing eras, being the goat you have that charisma, leadership, skills, be a great player , competitive, play to the highest level, bill rusell was one of those great but not the greatest , the media always talking about his rings but not the mindset and skill, mj had all of those things rings, fmvp, mvps,some unbreakable records, charisma, shoe marketing, bill rusell doesnt have any if those shoe market,everybody wanted to be mike even lebron and kobe back in their early career , nobody wanted to be like bill rusell , they just wanted his rings , on and off court michael is the goat , not just of his finals records or rings , because of his success and help to the nba market for what it is now
I don’t think people understand win or lose to make the finals 10xs an u been playing 20 seasons bro that is insane teams would kill for a chance like that franchises can’t even do that this is 1 man
MJ been a Goat since College. Dream team,NBA. How many did Mj stop from getting a ring. How many Lebon Lose.Face it Michael Jordan has a history of winning Early in life.
MJ did too they deadass bury the video but so did MJ. But mj also gives media trained responses so I guess y’all respect hypocrisy but discredit lebron for being honest. Weird
I was a Knicks fan , never was for Chicago, but im gonna say this as for having the pleasure of watching both play their entire careers, Ive never seen a better basketball player than Michael Jordan, LeBron is definitely top 5 , me myself i would put Kobe over LeBron , LeBron has had the pleasure of playing alongside more Allstars than Michael or Kobe, and still trails both in rings, it's all about winners nobody cares who finished second unless your a LeBron fan,, just sayin
Bron is like shaq but a more successful marketer rather than the GOAT. Hats off to him with the way he takes care of his body. There's no one like him in that regard. The GOAT only cares about winning. Not so much concerned with "looking" like a winner.
I think they both care to some extent but Bron definitely cares more cause the basketball world thinks hes 2nd to Mj. The fans speaks for MJ so he doesnt have to claim anything
lebrun: EVERYBODY LOOK AT MEEEE! I'M THE FKING GOAT! LOOK AT ME! GO CHECK MY STATS!! I BUILT A MUSEUM FOR MYSELF I WANT EVERYBODY GO THERE AND APPRECIATE ME! 😂😂😂
The BIGGEST DIFFERENCE is from 2011-to NOW BRON PLAYED with 3 HOFers n 7 other future HOfers during this. Run…Jerry west went to 9 FINALS why isn’t he in the talk bc of all his LOSES ….THE great MR RUSSELL won 11 while having 6 HOFers on HIS team. …MIKE won more with ONLY 3Hofers . Pipp took 4 years to FINALLY mature then the first 3peat came. Melo keep it a buck …Does That LAKER SQUAD u were on make the playoffs with A healthy JORDAN? Answer??? HELL YEAH!!
Jordan cares more. He was marketed as the GOAT and the idea that he's the GOAT is literally part of his commercial brand. That's why the (paid)media always makes sure to bring Jordan up in conversation and refer to him as the GOAT over and over every time, even when there is no natural reason to say it. They are doing ads for Jordan/Nike. LeBron, so far as I know, only cares about it in the sense that he's the best basketball player, so he just wants to be acknowledged as such. But it's not something his brand is built on like Jordan. Jordan and his marketing team actively try to prevent other players from being viewed as the GOAT. If you said someone was better than Jordan, Jordan is likely to cut business ties with you and he and Nike are going to have ESPN(usually Stephen A. Smith) attack your opinion.
The G.O.A.T. had to play against & beat the toughest competition. The most dominant player for any era is MJ, but Lebron is the greatest "basketball player" of all time. For me, MJ is the greatest in his era & Lebron's the greatest in his. 💯
LeBron longevity 😂😂😂SMH. So if MJ played basically 13 years and got 6 rings and LeBron been there 20 years and still trying to catch MJ. SMH. Longevity making it look worse against MJ on the Goat debate
MJ played 15 years 😅 Longevity + level of production is what makes LeBron's longevity a plus on the resume. It's not like he is scoring 12 points a game. He is still All Nba. And wait so if the standard is 6 rings what about those who have more than 6? To win you need a good team. It's not like Mj or LeBron are scoring 110 points each. MJ in the 6 rings had Best coach Best organisation Never underdog as a team At least Pippen top 75 as sidekick Great GM to put pieces around All things outside of his control and skill
100% Let's see, he has 4-10 finals record w/2 sweeps with 3 super teams. Hasn't been MVP in 11 years, He ranks #1 NBA history in turnovers and He punks out on challenges, flopping, whining to the refs & he always needs "more help." Not a good resume for calling yourself the GOAT.
Bron a lot of times comes too obssessed with the GOAT conversation..him and his whole crew Rich Paul,Maverick all of them and he said it that he's the goat😂 that was a mistake bc nobody not even MJ never have said that..its on your pears the fans the world to say that not you about yourself!! And that's why he looks like he's obssessed with that shit..MJ is the GOAT and nobody is even close to that level..there is MJ and there are all others
Melo please bro please you’re my guy (pause) I’ve defending you for years….. bro your homie sucks! he only cares about his stats.. keep this ish real bro damn! Melo
Winning, Disney, bubble champion. Not all people are fanatic of the King. I see Jordan, Kobe and Lebron. I don't need a brain wash. Jordan and Kobe don't need to debate, younger people can see in UA-cam the games.
They ALL are great! As long as Bron is in the conversation, he has made it. Which was the goal. THEY are lol@ us mere mortals ARGUING in barber shops, cat fighting about THEIR careers. TF outta here talking bout, which great player is greater. 🙄😂 ✌🏾Kings 🤴🏾
As of 2/8/23 LeBron is responsible for over 77,700 points ….until a criteria is established to determine what it means to be “The GOAT” …..it’s all simply going to be “just another point” that someone is going to argue.
Just go watch the top 75 players show. EVERYBODY was in awe of Mike!
Yea he the OG, you gotta respect your elders
Top75 is full of players Lebron actually played…which speaks to the level of comp Lebron faced
He was built up to be a God. That's why. He is worship by players who idolized him. Not players who played before him
@@justinthompson5282 No you have to respect the GOAT that's why!!
@@tommymack4677 He was built up to that because he is the GREATEST!!
We still talking about a player who retired over 20 years ago says all you need to know who’s the GOAT
he's clearly still the benchmark
@@ceb-onit-musicon point
& ppl gunna be talking about born 20 years after he retires...tf that mean?!
@@fabo0913 well of course Bron will be talked about. However MJ being talked about before the social media boom is more impressive imo. Bron is probably the 2nd best all time once it’s said and done
Lol while the other is being considered GOAT while he's still playing. 🤷🏿♂️
What I appreciate about MJ is he did not take shortcuts to greatness. GOAT.
LeBron didn't either. KD is trying to though 😂😂😂
Jordan definitely did.
@twayne7352 Bulll!!!!! Lebum bounce from team to team to be 4-6 in the finals. Plus lebum had played on a superteam.
@@304lilh that's not even true
@twayne7352 how is it not true. Cleveland, Miami, lakers. Dwade said it himself. The Miami superteam was form to stop Kobe.
MJ knows he is the GOAT!!!
YES, MJ is the GOAT. Kobe is the MOAT!
Ask him yourself and see what he says.
so do they all.
Never heard Mj wife got forced to say GOaT 😂
He's current wife 😂?
Which wife?
@@siba2379 Nick Wright
@@marcodraven9778😂 excellent.
That's because LeBron can keep a wife.
Lebron easily cares more about being considered the goat. And the reason is this.
MJ has never said he is the GOAT, therefore he has never tried to push the narrative. He has only ever been called the GOAT by his peers and majority of fans.
Lebron has made claims he is the GOAT, therefore he has felt he needs to push the narrative.
So Lebron clearly cares more about being the GOAT. However, real the GOAT doesn't need to say I am the GOAT, your peers do that for you. Which is exactly why MJ is the real GOAT.
What an answer. 😅😅😅
MJ didn’t have the pressure that LeBron had. Expectations were put on him as an 28 year old KID. Did so many things that others haven’t. No disrespect to Jordan but the fact that LeBron gets talked about when nothing concerns him tells me he’s the goat
Mike was just more fancy on. How he played
Oh and somebody had also mentioned it. Jordan does text Stephen A Smith on the side privately & to tell SAS to praise him on First Take. Which he does occasionally. Maybe Jordan pays him for promo 🤔
Perfectly worded
To do 2 3peats is unmatched and unbelievable still to this day
2 peats in who they have face, and basketball is all about match-up..mostly low level IQ will say that he is undisputed goat but if your IQ is as high as Greg Popovich then he will choose LeBron is the real GOAT.. today's athlete are far more equipped and more skilled than yesterday!
So 11 championships doesn’t count? How do we keep overlook Russell?
Everybody competing for 2nd. We know who the GOAT is.
Lebron is the goat to those actual ball knowers not sheep stuck in 90s nostalgia
@@Redclxxd start the debate then. Also I’m 20, born in 03. I’m not an old fart. I usually win these tho bc you bronsexuals will usually stop commenting and remember you commented on my shit.
@@RedclxxdI’m 20, born in 03 so I’m not an old fart. Start the debate bc I always win these anyway. You bronsexuals usually stop commenting and remember you came commenting on my shit.
@@Redclxxd Anyone who says LeBron is the GOAT are 1) Kids who know know absolutely nothing about basketball. or 2) Someone with a personal affiliation with LeBron or simply hate Jordan.
@@Redclxxd The only thing Lebron is the goat of is running from team to team with other superstars as thE only way he can win anything...LOSER MENTALITY!! 🤣🤣🤣
Jordan knows he’s the 🐐
“18 times… It’s gotta be in the teens” checks notes: 10 and is 4/6😂😂😂
That's the teens and half his career...
Lebron has been to the Finals more than 27 Franchises, meanwhile Jordan has more Chips then 27 Franchises. One guy gets credit for showing up, while the other guy just wins when there.
@@mikerobinson6969 So Whtz better or more difficult to to🤔 Both are amazing, But let’s b honest
@@CWillGetWitCha_973 going 6-0
@@mikerobinson6969 I respect your opinion…So Joe Montana is easily the 🐐
10x Scoring titles champ, 9x All Defensive team, 1 DPOY, 5x MVP, 6x FMVP, 6x championship ring, 1 NCAA championship ring JUST TO NAME A FEW maybe good enough for the goat conversation ?
Each 3peat themselves can separately be considered Hall of Fame careers….You could also make the debate the years before he won could be Hall of Fane worthy…He still holds the highest scoring average in NBA history…
Plus TWO threepeats, (almost TWO) 70 WIN seasons (1997, 69-13), plus MJ is the ONLY player to win scoring title + MVP + NBA championship + NBA Finals MVP + NBA All Defensive Team and he did all that FOUR TIMES. Lebron hasn't even done that ONCE!
Led US to gold as a college player. The other dude got several bronze medals, he’d have a silver vs Spain if not for Kobe’s heroics.
in a water down era😂😂
Lebron had to play 118 more games to draw level with MJ. Lebron played 45,970 minutes. While MJ played 41,011 for the same amount of career points. Lebron had to play 4,959 more minutes then Jordan just to draw level.
MJ OVER BRON , is not even debatable
@IGcantstopfactsbrehwhose Bron greatest opponent
Yes - it is debatable
I have MJ over LeBron. But, to say the comparison between the two players is not debatable is an obvious contradiction.
@IGcantstopfactsbreh not trolling I have a legit outlook like I said whose Brons greatest finals opponent
@@ScottRachelson777it’s definitely not close once you break everything down. 6 finals losses makes it a wide separation already
Mike's journey was just DIFFERENT!!!! 🐐
Yeah he didn't need to run from team to team with other superstars in order to win!
Your tripping. Lebrons journey is way more compelling and different.
Jordan didn’t have any expectations in his career.
There’s levels to this and Bron excelled in every aspect.
Jordan doesn’t even know what pressure and expectations feel like.
They both care
Bron has been blunt about it and Mike be texting Stephen A at 5am to praise him on First Take
Underrated comment.😂
And lepeds has hired plants in the media to push his trash agenda
This a great comment
Yup every other episode I watch Stephen A: "MJ texted me at 4 am to tell me......."
Can you provide a link to this? I wanna watch for myself
As he said I don't play for stats only chips. If he played 20 years like Stat boy Lebron the scoring title would be untouchable. Anybody that says Lebron never seen MJ play MJ don't care what they say of who's the goat just Google his 13 yr career. Everytime he stepped on the court he was the best no matter who was on the court with him.
Both are incredible I agree that mj is better, but I’m not going to spit on lebron to say I think mj is the goat.
Dude went to 10 finals how was he not bout winning 💀😂
Mj had a better game than everyone when he stepped on the court? You clearly didn’t watch mj. I’ve never seen mj carry like Lebron
He was best in 1st round exit until The Bad Boys, Bird, and Magic got old and all the rules was change for him😂😂😂
LBJ called his self the GOAT lol
Mj don’t have to
Ali also called him the goat .
Thats why he is not the GOAT.@@akilanratnam1499
18 finals is wild! ...going aint the same as winning. ijs
That is a meaningless statement. Not being the same does not mean not being incredibly difficult and impressive. Red is not the same color as yellow, but in terms of the color spectrum indicative of the energy of fire, they are both burning hot. See what happens when you add specificity and context.
@@ScottRachelson777 what does what you're saying have to do with "going aint the same as winning" which is a fact. no where did I downplay Bron's greatest, rather just pointed out a OVERLOOKED fact.
He's only been to 10, idk where tf he got 18 from 😂
@@ScottRachelson777 Difficult? 🤣🤣 Lebron only went to the finals that many times because he had to run from team to team with other superstars in what was already a WEAK EAST. How was it possible for him not to go to the finals every year in such a WEAK EAST stacking his teams with Wade, Bosh and great role players/semi-stars like Ray Allen, Battier, Haslem, Mike Miller etc. Then when that stopped working he ran again to the Cavs to team up with Kyrie, Kevin Love and other great role players in a WEAK EAST! How is that "difficult'" or "impressive"???? He knew that he wasn't good enough to do it the natural way like MJ so his formula is to run from team to team with other superstars and great role players AND STILL LOST 6 TIMES!!! LOSER MENTALITY WHICH YOU CLEARLY HAVE IN COMMON WITH HIM!! 🤣🤣🤣
18 ???
Michael is known as Black Jesus. I think that speaks volumes about who the GOAT is.
Mike the goat but stop with the Black Jesus shxt yall too much
If we take away the rings and stats and just watch the highlights clearly Mike the goat
Yup and lebron wouldn’t even be top 30 can’t tell me Lebron doing shit like booker and luka did tonight displaying this type of skill
Steph n lbj went at it lbj took it@@Dipset415
Last night game @@Dipset415
Hmm don't watch the highlights. Watch the videos that's not part of the highlights. The details behind the highlights.
When you watch old footage of MJ he just plays with so much class. His fundamentals were on point and he dominated the game with grace and style
Luckily for Lbj Melo was not drafted by Pistons would have changed the championship picture for Lb'sj legacy. They both the best in their generation but for me Mj 🐐
The Pistons have been horrid in the NBA Draft. Melo would have had 2 or 3 RINGS.
@@dg.seymour855 I think so too Melo might have 2 rings that time Dallas might have won in 2006 and not 2011 that Miami team would probably Melo Lbj and Wade...
Great podcasts loving Melo one of the best.
After all these years, still chasing "the ghost that played in Chicago". MJ is the 🐐.
Lebron cares the most ofc Jordan on the other hand is humble , and that shows who really is Goated
Say you a Jordan fan without saying it 😂
Say you like Leflopping and Lefaking with saying you do. Lebron act like he got shot twice a game lol, stop it !
@@kennethrobinson5111 i apologize that I never seen Mj play in person. I’ve only seen Lebron play in person.
Mj never humble lol he is very prideful and competitive
@@tavaresmacon6333facts! He is definitely not humble
LeBron does, duh... He's always asking for it, always mentioning GOATs, respect, flowers, all time status - I think it's crystal clear that he's obsessed with getting appreciated - MJ just did it, and deflected any and every question about GOATs that he was asked. Classy all the way. None of that Gimme-gimme sh*t that today's "superstars" keep doing - latest being KD asking to be included in the conversation... Like, wtf 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Regular people who never played -LBJ the goat
NBA players and legends-MJ the goat
NBA players and legends say LeBron is the goat too don't start with that bullish***
It's split among professionals as well
legend ?? Most of the legends who say LEBRON THE GOAT are Jordan haters@@JiGGaVeLii007 ... and larry bird never said LEBRON the goat...he just acknowledged that the quality of longevity that lebron has is what separates him from other players.. but it doesnt mean Bird say lebron the goat.. lol ...GO HOME BRONSEXUAL.
@@JiGGaVeLii007no they don’t. They even put Kobe over Bron. Only ones that say LeBron is goat is shills on espn and ppl like Isiah Thomas that hate Jordan
Bingo😭
MJ texting Stephen A at 5 AM in the morning and when Bron won against GS, MJ hit up ESPN to get working on his documentary. 😂
MJ……..Kobe…….then LeBron…..respectfully
For this generation (anyone born on or after 05) most will say LeBron is their goat. The basketball purest and the parent or grandparent of these kids will say Jordan, Kareem, or Bill Russell. What makes Mike the goat 🐐 is he and his teammates never saw a game 7️⃣ in 3️⃣ separate 3️⃣ peats unlike Russell who eleven but was pushed on the brink in many of those. Jordan is the ultimate closer and finisher not allowing his teams to get a glimpse of that pressure for winner take all.
I’m 42 and MJ was my favorite player ever… lebrons better then him
@@repentyasharahla7632in what aspect?
@@JamesSmith-gz1zn he’s bigger stronger faster, more athletic he has a higher basketball I.Q… he has lead the league in scoring and also lead the league in Assist and still resulted in winning a title that year… you can make a 30+ minute highlight real of him chasing down players and pinning layups to the back board… you can do the same with long range 3 pts shots, assist, poster dunks, break away dunks … he played against tougher opponents in the Finals and played in a much more balanced NBA as far as talent is concerned… he was robbed out of several MVP awards and defensive player awards… he pretty much Jordan, Pippen and Rodman wrapped into one player as far as talent is concerned… everyone is now trying to put Kobe in the mix of the conversation as if he was just like MJ…. Ok well Lebron played against him and beat him 16 times out of 22 matchups….
@@repentyasharahla7632you have fair points on why Lebron is better although I disagree, but to say Lebron is Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman rolled into one player? Nah no way lol
@@DarinAtkins he’s even more athletic then Jordan, he plays point forward like Pippen and he just had 20 rebounds like 3 days ago
Crazy how people dismiss losing in the NBA Finals like it isn't that big of a deal. Reality is when anyone as great as MJ, Bron, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Kobe, etc. it's splitting hair on who you think is the greatest. Some people act like it's criminal to mention Bron's melt down against the Spurs in 2011, or the 4-6 record. You have to be an idiot to not recognize LeBron James is one of the greatest athletes and NBA players in the history of life, but he still went through adversity like anyone else including MJ. The difference with MJ was even though he lost to the Celtics and Pistons early in his career that dude always showed up and produced period. Everybody knew MJ was going to show up and do his part and beyond even when he lost.
There are NBA players (i.e. Elliot Williams, Cherokee Parks, etc.); there are underrated and/or forgotten players (i.e. Shawn Kemp, "Pistol Pete," etc.); phenomenal players (i.e. "The Dream," "The Black Mamba" (RIP/Risen Into Paradise);...
...and then there's MJ!
Anyone who actually knows how to discern, knows that it's Lebron. Jordan cared about winning and beating his contemporaries at the time he was in the league. If he really cared about legacy, he wouldn't have retired twice. Lebron on the other hand cares more about being labeled the GOAT that's why he goes out his way to recruit different players to help elevate his chances of winning. That's why those who think MJ is the GOAT, think he is and forever will be.
It’s because Bron never got a fair shot to allow his career to grow. Everything he did was immediately compared to Mike. That was just who the league compared every wing player too. So it’s never your own career being carved out into greatness. It’s “do you have 6 rings? You’ll never be better then Mike” but realistically, how isn’t a 6’8 250 lbs guy that has no weakness offensively nor defensively be better? Just logically speaking lol 21 years straight 4 rings and brought one to LA what more could he do man😂
@@unreasonabledoubt165went to the finals 10-20 seasons. That shit really is crazy when u think about it lol
@@unreasonabledoubt165 okay, and? that wasn't the question lmao. the question was who cares about being the GOAT, and it's lebron cause he's insecure
@@unreasonabledoubt165bring one to the Knicks and the debate is over
Or this is just YOUR opinion and not facts 😂 you don’t know what drives Lebron and you don’t know what drove MJ.
I think the question is not who cares more but who does more?
The league wouldn't be where it is without Magic vs Bird rivalry and it definitely wouldn't be where it is without MJ from there. Bron is def one of the top players but hard to even put him in the top 10 of GOATs imo. He's just been more consistent off the bat than most which is why his stats are so up there.
MJ took the league to unimaginable heights and completely redefined what a sports superstar is. He's the GOAT if you ask me. That said, I do believe that Magic Johnson and Larry Bird are very likely the two MOST IMPORTANT players in NBA history for what they did when the league was floundering in the late 70s. The importance of both Magic and Bird just cannot be overstated.
18 finals is crazy tho😂
😂 only missed the Finals 3 times in his career!
bronsexuals will now believe that as LORE.....
Still only matters how many you win, a bunch of almost don't count as much as even one got it done..
@@marlowstanfield6815ok bill russel won 11 in 13 years end of story I don’t wanna hear your excuses he was beating WILT
@@moneymoney3235 He was beating Wilt and a bunch of janitors, the 60s was a 8 team rec league, I don't even rank players before the merger, that era doesn't count to me..
MJ is clearly the GOAT.
If it was clear it wouldn’t be a debate
@730…
Pure delusion. The *only* reason there was ever a ‘debate’ is because of all the lies Nick Wright, Shannon Sharpe & co told y’all on a daily basis about Mike.
If they told you the truth about Mike and Lebron there is no debate.
@@730_Wuit's never going to be clear because it's an opinion not facts
@@730_Wuyou are absolutely correct
It's not that clear bro
I hear Melo... but both Mike and Bron have jumped out there on this at least *fairly* recently.
Bron made the statement calling himself the greatest ever after the 2016 chip.
Mike felt some whole ass type of way about it enough to green light The Last Dance in response.. so both of them feel it and care about it.
But yeah Mike been there for 30 years already.. even knowing how maniacal he is about competition there's no way he can be AS hungry about it as Bron.. but both of them still on it fr
He said " in my mind I'm the greatest" Goats don't quit before a series even starts against GSW with KD and say that's a jugger knot. MJ would never say that
JORDAN CAME TO THE LEAGUE 21 IT TUCK HIM TILL HE WAS 32 TO GET A SHOT AT A RING WITH ANOTHER STAR PLAYER SCOTTIE… LEBRON 3rd YEAR AT AGE 21 MAKES THE FINALS WITH NOBODY … HOW IM NOT BETTER THEN U?!
@@onetimeforyamind7613 who never lost in the finals though? end of discussion.
@@badxgrass I DONT THINK U HEARD ME …U NEVER MADE IT 7 YEARS BEFORE YOUR FIRST ONE I DID WITH NO HELP
@@onetimeforyamind7613 reaching the finals and losing WILL NEVER be the same as winning all the finals you got into.
How Kobe gets skipped is beyond me.
Kobe is elite but still a slightly lesser version of Jordan. He won two rings cause of Shaq, and didn't make teammates better the way Jordan and LeBron do
@@CitizenoftheWorld1shaq lost with penny and didn’t win with all star nick van excel and Eddie jones🤫and shaq put up godly numbers against ric smiths Keith van horn and a old mutombo 😭
@@CitizenoftheWorld1the iimpact KoBe made everyone talking and model after him is alone making belongings in goat convo!
Cuz he not good enough
You do know the goat conversation doesn't exist far as 1 goat for all. Your very comment is the reason those talks need to end cuz there is no way Bron is better than Kobe
Perfect explanation
I'm a bron and mj fan and i don't think there can be a single goat. Too many different variables and changes to the game in different eras to accurately compare
I agree! You can only judge a player on how much superior they were to the competition they faced. In my eyes, that why Bill Russell, Kareem and MJ are the greatest 3 of all time. They absolutely dominated the competition like no other has done.
the way we talk about these players being dominant as if its a solo sport like boxing or golf. LeBron been just as dominant as those guys individually but you have to account for the teammates as well who showed up/ didn't show up and if the team mates was great within their specific roles. Without those guys showing up and being good in their specific roles it doesn't equates to winning as much no matter how dominant a specific player is. MJ was killing in the 80s but didn't win nothing LeBron was dominant against the warriors and only won once because the warriors had a superior TEAM @@MikeJones-ne1og
Jordan never felt like the Goat but he did say he was the best a few times. Lebron did something that made him feel like the Goat and it was just his feelings. So you cant say he cant say it because the fans not saying it. The fans calling Jordan the Goat and HE dont agree. That dont make the fans right! Truth is there are great players and thats it really.
There's the people choice Goat. And the statistical Goat. It sounds like two Goats. One is the favorite.
Mj said he doesn't even want it... so this answer is clear! The fact Bron is still playing says it again...
Yes! We can't infer that LeBron is still playing because he LOVES the game. It must only be because of the thing you said. Talk about a one-track mind!
Bron loves basketball and now he wants to play with his son and still an all star player so why would he quit playing…..
Mike released the last dance after Bron won in 2016. Mike cares more
Mike wanted it when he was trying to over take DrJ, Larry and Magic. By the time he was on the Wizards he tried to backtrack because he didn't want them years included in his legacy
@@d.felixphoto2260 A "he wanted IT more claim." That's all it is -- a bare-bones claim.
Lebron's teammates let him down like ppl talk about oh he joined forces with Kevin love who shows up in an elimination game with 6 points like WTF is that for a superstar.
Jordan doesn't care cause he knows he's cemented in Platinum.
Lebron is not there. That shit is so manufactured. The gap is bigger than Kevin Durant's career accolades and rings
Who's logo is on them boys jersey's they're wearing right now?
But the way Mike cuffed 6 rings within an 8 year span showed the hungry monster Jordan was to win it all.
I defend LeBron too and man, do I appreciate his game. We’re blessed to see a player like him that not many of us will ever recognize
Lerbon is the goat for me🐐👑💛💜
Goat of needing to run from team to team with other superstars so he could win anything...and losing 6 times in the finals...yup he's the goat at that!! 🤣🤣
@@briannoble1022 and don't forget he got SWEPT 2x in the finals. Never happened to MJ.
Carmelo Anthony is a goat to
He's here now...UNDER THE GOAT MJ OF COURSE.....
That's the real truth...mike dont care..he lets yall fight over who the goat
It’s not good when the only argument is what ifs and to minimize accomplishments no one else achieved just to elevate your guy. Men lie, women lie but numbers don’t. If Mike played 20 years he’d have 15 rings. Well he didn’t. Maybe if he won in the first round exits he’d have more. Facts on facts
MJ doesn't care nearly as much as Bron does. Bron is the only one out of the two who has ever uttered the words. Jordan to me is the GOAT not merely because of accolades, but because what he did can't be done again. When Bird and Magic held the league up, it wasn't as globally accepted until MJ came with that swag, grace, and dominance. He put the sport of basketball on notice worldwide, on his back, and its never been the same since. And the league still thrives off of his greatness some 20 years even after his retirement. And is still the benchmark every player after him aspires to reach.
KD shouldn't be in the GOAT convo and neither should LeBron. And he wouldn't be if it wasn't for Klutch cutting media personalities checks.
20yrs
He says it all the time/written on his shoes
1. MJ 2. KOBE
3. KAJ or Lebron
Bron 🐐, in my opinion, but you can't go wrong with Bron, MJ, and Kareem.
Only of them proclaims to be the goat well most ppl proclaim the other to be the goat
Melo tryna play it safe 😅
MJ the Goat 🐐
Kobe #2
Bron #3
We dont care how many times you achieve second place. If thats the case Jerry West breaks top 10. MJ knew Kobe passed him on individual skills attributes because of the game changing. MJ knows Kobe is still closer to him than Bron still.
being the goat is not just about rings , bill russell might have the most rings, but then did he won all of those fmvp? im not comparing eras, being the goat you have that charisma, leadership, skills, be a great player , competitive, play to the highest level, bill rusell was one of those great but not the greatest , the media always talking about his rings but not the mindset and skill, mj had all of those things rings, fmvp, mvps,some unbreakable records, charisma, shoe marketing, bill rusell doesnt have any if those shoe market,everybody wanted to be mike even lebron and kobe back in their early career , nobody wanted to be like bill rusell , they just wanted his rings , on and off court michael is the goat , not just of his finals records or rings , because of his success and help to the nba market for what it is now
bill Rusell is the goat. In the sport that cricteria is rings and winning.....its bill rusell.
bill russell never shot 50% from the field in any season of his career. shot 44% from the field for his career against mediocre competition. stop it.
I don’t think people understand win or lose to make the finals 10xs an u been playing 20 seasons bro that is insane teams would kill for a chance like that franchises can’t even do that this is 1 man
MJ been a Goat since College. Dream team,NBA. How many did Mj stop from getting a ring. How many Lebon Lose.Face it Michael Jordan has a history of winning Early in life.
Bron literally called himself the goat. It matters to him more
MJ did too they deadass bury the video but so did MJ. But mj also gives media trained responses so I guess y’all respect hypocrisy but discredit lebron for being honest. Weird
Jordan been arguing with wilt about being the goat
@@demetriussmith9234 show me the footage
@redclxxd5974 show me the footage
@@jbeez_theahch just look up a wilt interview about it it’s just a google search
I was a Knicks fan , never was for Chicago, but im gonna say this as for having the pleasure of watching both play their entire careers, Ive never seen a better basketball player than Michael Jordan, LeBron is definitely top 5 , me myself i would put Kobe over LeBron , LeBron has had the pleasure of playing alongside more Allstars than Michael or Kobe, and still trails both in rings, it's all about winners nobody cares who finished second unless your a LeBron fan,, just sayin
Bron is like shaq but a more successful marketer rather than the GOAT. Hats off to him with the way he takes care of his body. There's no one like him in that regard.
The GOAT only cares about winning. Not so much concerned with "looking" like a winner.
Watch the 75 nba best player, you see the Real Goat💯 MJ
I think they both care to some extent but Bron definitely cares more cause the basketball world thinks hes 2nd to Mj. The fans speaks for MJ so he doesnt have to claim anything
Jordan retired twice!! I wish he cared about that title like James does
lebrun: EVERYBODY LOOK AT MEEEE! I'M THE FKING GOAT! LOOK AT ME! GO CHECK MY STATS!! I BUILT A MUSEUM FOR MYSELF I WANT EVERYBODY GO THERE AND APPRECIATE ME!
😂😂😂
I wann be like Mike 💪💪
The debate is so disrespectable to others players with flowers before and after)/ greatness can't be defined in unlimited time*
Micheal Jordan is the goat and he deserves that recognition!
The BIGGEST DIFFERENCE is from 2011-to NOW BRON PLAYED with 3 HOFers n 7 other future HOfers during this. Run…Jerry west went to 9 FINALS why isn’t he in the talk bc of all his LOSES ….THE great MR RUSSELL won 11 while having 6 HOFers on HIS team. …MIKE won more with ONLY 3Hofers . Pipp took 4 years to FINALLY mature then the first 3peat came.
Melo keep it a buck …Does That LAKER SQUAD u were on make the playoffs with A healthy JORDAN? Answer??? HELL YEAH!!
Both care
Bron is the Goat right now and someone will pass him up just like he passed MJ .. it’s called evolution.. evolution doesn’t stop with MJ
Legacy is for the fans to decide
Jordan cares more. He was marketed as the GOAT and the idea that he's the GOAT is literally part of his commercial brand. That's why the (paid)media always makes sure to bring Jordan up in conversation and refer to him as the GOAT over and over every time, even when there is no natural reason to say it. They are doing ads for Jordan/Nike.
LeBron, so far as I know, only cares about it in the sense that he's the best basketball player, so he just wants to be acknowledged as such. But it's not something his brand is built on like Jordan. Jordan and his marketing team actively try to prevent other players from being viewed as the GOAT. If you said someone was better than Jordan, Jordan is likely to cut business ties with you and he and Nike are going to have ESPN(usually Stephen A. Smith) attack your opinion.
If Lebron cared about actual greatness he would play defense, he would have worked on his game more. His game has been stagnant for 17 years.
Lefraud ain't been too no 18 Finals these clowns are ridiculous!!!
The G.O.A.T. had to play against & beat the toughest competition. The most dominant player for any era is MJ, but Lebron is the greatest "basketball player" of all time. For me, MJ is the greatest in his era & Lebron's the greatest in his. 💯
18 finals is crazy. We wish
LeBron longevity 😂😂😂SMH. So if MJ played basically 13 years and got 6 rings and LeBron been there 20 years and still trying to catch MJ. SMH. Longevity making it look worse against MJ on the Goat debate
MJ played 15 years 😅
Longevity + level of production is what makes LeBron's longevity a plus on the resume.
It's not like he is scoring 12 points a game.
He is still All Nba.
And wait so if the standard is 6 rings what about those who have more than 6?
To win you need a good team. It's not like Mj or LeBron are scoring 110 points each.
MJ in the 6 rings had
Best coach
Best organisation
Never underdog as a team
At least Pippen top 75 as sidekick
Great GM to put pieces around
All things outside of his control and skill
100% Let's see, he has 4-10 finals record w/2 sweeps with 3 super teams. Hasn't been MVP in 11 years, He ranks #1 NBA history in turnovers and He punks out on challenges, flopping, whining to the refs & he always needs "more help." Not a good resume for calling yourself the GOAT.
I still say LBJ could never EVER catch MJ and is happy to just create an ongoing debate... but it's really not as close as many think!
Kobe
Bron a lot of times comes too obssessed with the GOAT conversation..him and his whole crew Rich Paul,Maverick all of them and he said it that he's the goat😂 that was a mistake bc nobody not even MJ never have said that..its on your pears the fans the world to say that not you about yourself!! And that's why he looks like he's obssessed with that shit..MJ is the GOAT and nobody is even close to that level..there is MJ and there are all others
Let's not act like losing in the finals isn't a big deal ....come on now
Melo please bro please you’re my guy (pause) I’ve defending you for years….. bro your homie sucks! he only cares about his stats.. keep this ish real bro damn! Melo
One guy self proclaimed himself as GOAT. The other guy never quoted himself as the greatest. You do the math 🤷🏾♂️
Winning, Disney, bubble champion. Not all people are fanatic of the King. I see Jordan, Kobe and Lebron. I don't need a brain wash. Jordan and Kobe don't need to debate, younger people can see in UA-cam the games.
Here is your fact check: 10 finals appearances
4 wins
6 losses
Still impressive is participation is your thing but overall great body of work.
They ALL are great! As long as Bron is in the conversation, he has made it. Which was the goal. THEY are lol@ us mere mortals ARGUING in barber shops, cat fighting about THEIR careers. TF outta here talking bout, which great player is greater. 🙄😂
✌🏾Kings 🤴🏾
As of 2/8/23 LeBron is responsible for over 77,700 points ….until a criteria is established to determine what it means to be “The GOAT” …..it’s all simply going to be “just another point” that someone is going to argue.
NOBODY TOUCHES JORDAN. The GOAT, FOREVER!!!!!
Did these dude just say bron been in the league 20 yrs and made the finals 18 times? They talking just to talk
It’s funny that no one have ever heard MJ say that he’s the GOAT.
Lebron is the only one that called himself the GOAT MJ has always taken the humble road he’s never done that
MJ cared about one thing - WINNING. And that’s what made him the goat….
Lebron cares about how ppl view him and is insecure
Boffum because there is no way to compare eras. Its an endless and pointless debate
Where is Bron ? Now that he is where? Stop your cap 🧢 Melo!