The Dark Side of the Color Pie

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  • Опубліковано 28 лис 2024

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  • @DiceTry
    @DiceTry  Місяць тому +17

    00:44 Fear
    10:59 Phyrexia
    25:06 Death
    37:36 Horror
    51:55 Villain

    • @missemry3864
      @missemry3864 28 днів тому

      Prince of Jamaica here 👑. YES BROTHER! White and blue choose me. My Devastating Mastery and Discover The Formula FINDS senseless fighting impure and try to find meaning behind the reasons. That’s my royal deck.
      Dicetry: oh your one of those ashol-
      pm: wanna play me when I use my jekai-
      Dicetry: nevermind I respect you now 🙏

  • @steamh4mmer264
    @steamh4mmer264 Місяць тому +109

    Universe Beyond. Secret Lair. Hasbro.

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  Місяць тому +48

      Ok that's a little to scary

    • @BillyTheCheeseMonger
      @BillyTheCheeseMonger Місяць тому +2

      Too real

    • @tomevans2499
      @tomevans2499 Місяць тому +1

      That is much too real.

    • @DaroriDerEinzige
      @DaroriDerEinzige Місяць тому +10

      Aren't you happy about the Spongebob Cards which will boost your Marvel Deck paired with Sephiroth?
      Which is kinda funny, while Aragorn got an Afro, the Final Fantasy Characters didn't.

    • @barrymcballs
      @barrymcballs Місяць тому

      ​@@DaroriDerEinzige Because Arigorn represented white nobility, and thus is super duper racist and needs to be black'd.

  • @NathanielNow
    @NathanielNow Місяць тому +20

    Regarding Blue's fear, I think there's a piece that's mentioned but deserves more credit. I don't think it's just that there are things beyond their understanding, but that understanding and progress are entirely pointless. No matter how hard they strive, or how gifted they are, they can never improve. In Lovecraftian horror, I think it isn't just that the danger is unfathomable, but that they're screwed no matter what they do.

  • @loneoutsider8004
    @loneoutsider8004 Місяць тому +29

    There's that one topic you haven't touched upon is how each color's relationship with pain. How each are affected by it and cope with that pain, how it transformed them.

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  Місяць тому +16

      Hmm that's an interesting one I have not thought about, but I already have a couple ideas on how it might play out. Will note it in my list of video ideas

    • @loneoutsider8004
      @loneoutsider8004 Місяць тому +3

      @@DiceTry 👌👍

  • @HarPaelTheMessenger
    @HarPaelTheMessenger Місяць тому +20

    Me: doesnt play magic
    Also me: subbed to a magic yt philosophy person

    • @worldsbuffestloremaster
      @worldsbuffestloremaster Місяць тому +1

      Color pie theory goes far beyond MTG. I really think it's touched on something fundamental.

  • @BouncingTribbles
    @BouncingTribbles Місяць тому +4

    It's really interesting that you say that all the Phyrexians feel a bit blue. Yawgmoth was part of Urza's story, and he could be said to have influenced things a bit early on in magics history. Since he started blue his fingerprints would be on the Phyrexians.

  • @JB-xl2jc
    @JB-xl2jc Місяць тому +17

    There's nothing better than a deep dive philosophy video on a quiet Sunday- can't wait to dig in. And spooky-flavored too?! Can't wait.

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  Місяць тому +3

      Enjoy the video, it's a long one!

  • @paladinslash4721
    @paladinslash4721 Місяць тому +6

    I was thinking back on your what each color fears video and felt like red and green were the odd ones. Because the other colors feared horror rooted in their enemy colors, Slasher is Red/Black, Lovecraftian is Green/Red, Institutional is White/Green, possession horror comes of as more black, and body horror felt more Blue/Green. Red naturally would fear the dystopia which is a white/blue horror while Green would fear scientific horror (blue/black) like Frankenstein, Reanimator, and arguably Jurassic Park.

    • @Fluffkitscripts
      @Fluffkitscripts Місяць тому

      I don’t think Jurassic park is scientific horror. The dinosaurs are, at the end of the day, just animals.

    • @paladinslash4721
      @paladinslash4721 Місяць тому

      @@Fluffkitscripts The book veers more into horror than the movies do.

    • @Fluffkitscripts
      @Fluffkitscripts Місяць тому

      @@paladinslash4721 is it horror about the twisted machinations of science upon biological forms or big smart animals with lots of teeth stalking people?

    • @ODDnanref
      @ODDnanref Місяць тому

      Well, Jurassic Park is more Blue Green.
      I think I agree somewhat. I mean the idea of Green's fear is that the natural order was always a lie. There is no position in your life, nature has no real order and the traditions passed down for generations only serve to upend the natural flow of things.
      Reality was a lie, what was natural before turns out to be unnatural.

  • @JoriamRamos
    @JoriamRamos Місяць тому +4

    Each point better than the last :)

  • @aceundead4750
    @aceundead4750 Місяць тому +4

    In a way black's greatest fear is itself, many of the themes black mana embodies are the very things it fears happening to itself. Subjugation, control/lack thereof, institutions meant to demean and destroy the individual.

  • @tarvoc746
    @tarvoc746 25 днів тому +3

    Stuff like Sin City should be even more horrifying to White than a Slasher movie. The Slasher is an example for a White system of order failing in one tragic individual case - but White knows it's not omnipotent, it has no problem accepting that fact. The horror, then, comes from being reminded of a disturbing fact that you've learned to accept. But in a world like Sin City's, or 1984's, or most iterations of Gotham City, the sytem isn't failing. It's doing exactly what it's set up to do. It's not failing to prevent evil, it is the root of evil itself. That's something I don't think White can easily accept, at least not on its own, because it questions the very core of White's values. It tends to turn to Red's revolutionary energy for help in such situations.

  • @Blazingstudios882
    @Blazingstudios882 Місяць тому +2

    I have been loving your deep philosophical insights! Your videos are great, and I can’t wait to watch this one.

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  Місяць тому +1

      I hope this one provides some good food for thought as well!

  • @remy333
    @remy333 Місяць тому +2

    Genuine Entertainment. I appreciate your hard work. 🍻🧙‍♂️

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  Місяць тому +1

      Wow thank you for the donation, truly appreciated. This video is the culmination of a lot of hard work, all compiled into one video that expands some of my favorite dark topics.

    • @remy333
      @remy333 Місяць тому

      @@DiceTryyou’re very welcome. Good stuff.

  • @MrFlame6666
    @MrFlame6666 Місяць тому +1

    Green's fear: changing the natural way of life and body horror.
    Simic... You're talking about Simic.

  • @garryame4008
    @garryame4008 Місяць тому +13

    It's a shame that WotC is drastically reducing original and creative world building in favor of product tie-ins :(

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  Місяць тому +4

      Yeah I'm not too excited about the new direction things are going. Seems like the same slippery slope the comic book industry went down before it crashed in the 90's. Quick money instead of long term investment into what made it so special.

  • @l0lan00b3
    @l0lan00b3 25 днів тому

    Dude. In Vivarium when that thing lifted up the curb and slipped under it. lOL just reminded me of that

  • @tennicksalvarez9079
    @tennicksalvarez9079 Місяць тому +2

    Oh this is a compilation

  • @c.d.dailey8013
    @c.d.dailey8013 Місяць тому +1

    Wow. That is a heck of a compilation. That fits the upcoming holiday of Halloween. The end of video had a brief discussion of creativity. Now my creative juices are flowing. All colors can turn evil if taken too far. In there lies the horror. Each color has its own horror, its own view on death, its own Phyrexian, its own other villain and embodies two fears. Then I thought of one thing that emerges for each color.
    1. The Barbarian.
    The green horror is the barbarian. Green is all into nature and shunning fancy technology. The extreme is the barbarian. They are not civilized at all. They are savage and vicious. Gruul is one of the green guilds of Ravnica. That is a good example of the good to neutral barbarian. The horror barbarian is like that but evil. Vorenclex is the right Phyrexian for that. All he cares about is living like a wild animal and ruthlessly adhering to the Darwinian law of the jungle. The creepy tree villain is another example. It ruthlessly killed innocent children just because they got in its territory. The forbidden forest is a good example of green horror. Another good example is the scary people that also resemble animals. The most famous example is the werewolf. Werewolves of Innistrad have Gruul Color pairs. Greek mythology has satyrs, centaurs and minotaur as scary animal people. In MTG they tend to be one or both Gruul colors. There was even a Pan-like satyr God in Theros. Pagans are wrongfully accused of being heathens and sinners. That fits well within this kind of horror. The most notorious type is the witch. I think of Wicca as being fitting of green due to the nature focus. There is religion and morality like white. That is like Selesnya. Wicca is something good. The negative and false stereotypes of witches get into horror. Oh man. It would be so cool if Innistrad had werewolves to represent Gruul and witches to represent Selesnya. That would represent two sides of green horror. The humans of Innistrad should best go in all colors, just like they do in other planes. There are other examples of horror coming from unjustly smearing the Pagans. There is the depiction of Aztec and Celtic Pagans practicing human sacrifice. I am not sure how much archeology backs this up, but that is pretty sketchy. I recently learned about the biblical story of Elijah. That story is very freaky and disturbing. Jezebel and her people is a great example of Pagan horror. They are the ones refered to as "idol worshippers". The barbarian is one that doesn't fear death, because they know it is a part of the circle of life. They are both ruthless and oppressive. They embody the fears of unknown and institution. The barbarian is the one that domates others and forms rigid hierarchies. In politics, it tend to be the liberals that value equality. In the past they brought the innovation of democracy. In the present they innovate by improving political correctness and rejecting capitalism. By contrast it is the conservatives that want to preserve traditional hierarchies regardless of how unfair they are. They can even use the ways of nature to justify such systems. So in that way green can have institutional horror.

    • @c.d.dailey8013
      @c.d.dailey8013 Місяць тому

      Oh there is cosmic horror with Lovecraft. This is very hard to pin down. There are different takes on that. World of Warcraft has this in black and shadow with the Old Gods. That fits as black is good for spooky stuff in general. It can reflect the darkness in space. DND has cosmic horror in psychics. This is like how this horror can drive people terrified and insane. It is also like the trend of psychic powers being in sci-fi in general. MTG has this represented by colorless with the Eldrazi. It is weird to have something colorless that is not artefact based. Maybe this reflects how space is a void just like how colorless has no colored mana. This video has parts that suggest green to fit cosmic horror. That is intriguing. Of all the colors, green would be the most content with letting things be unknown. It trusts a greater destiny and purpose, even if it isn't tangible. The exact opposite is blue. Blue is not content with the unknown. It is willing to study the unknown and make it known. Doing to much will make one scared. Green can be that terrifying thing in the unknown. That is where cosmic horror lies. The fear of what is foreign and alien is xenophobia. That is the main theme in Lovecraft. There are connections. Druid is a nature based magician, so that fits in with green very well. Yet in DND and World of Warcraft druids have at least one subclass that is space themed. It is like outer space is a part of nature. There is Pagan horror with witches. The gods of Lovecraft is like that but taken up to eleven. It is like the Pagan deities but twisted into something monstrous and unrecognizable. The people that worship these old gods tend to be barbarians to some extent.
      I just realized something when going over green horror. Even Selesnya has horror. It is so weird. Selesnya is the nicest and loveliest guild. That is the hippies of Ravnica. The one little moral failing is being oppressive to the individual. If one takes that and turns it up to eleven, that is something truly horrifying. This is the case of the Amish. I think of the Amish as the worst Christian group, because it is so cruel to followers. This group is really into agriculture, which is totally a Selesnya thing. The farmland and simple life may seem quaint and even romantic. Yet when I know how this group really works, I get absolutely horrified by it. The Amish are religious extremists. They are an oppressive cult that practices extreme behavior control. So that is just like the horrific extremes of white. There are a few Christian groups like that. Most Christians are not into this, thank goodness. Amish and Mennonites in general are distinguished by having hermetically sealed groups. Selesnya is into community. The Mennonites have "communities" that are truly twisted. The Amish are not just religious, they are also extreme on nature. They hold onto their farming and tradition so much they are stuck in the past. They even look like actors doing historical reenactments. The Amish reject modern society completely due their their religion. They reject technology so much, they don't even have electricity. It does seem harsh and even barbaric. So that is essentially a kind of horror that fits the white and green of Selesnya. Maybe cult communes in general could fit in this color pair. A non- Christian example would be Jonestown. This video did depict Anton LaVey as black. I do think Satanists like him are a bit too much like trolls and edgelords. However I do admire their value of independence. That can definitely be a good quality of black. Pagans and atheists show the same independent albeit in a more tasteful way. Black is the one color that is the complete opposite of Selesnya. Independence is good in moderation. Too much of that leads to black horror. Too little of it leads to the horror of Selesnya and the Amish.

    • @c.d.dailey8013
      @c.d.dailey8013 Місяць тому

      2. The Slasher
      The horror of red is the slasher. This is the human that kills on impulse. Slasher is a whole subgenre of horror. Serial killers fit in this category as well. Red is about impulse and action. The extreme of it is killing on a whim with no self control. Red embodies the fear of not only the slasher but also the unknown. Red is emotional. That doesn't make logical sense. I get confused when people are so emotional they make really stupid choices. Both green and red are in unknown, and they are the opposite of the intellectual color of blue. Gruul fits the unknown to some extent. They are the one guild that fits better outside the urban environment of Ravnica. There are other forms of red horror. One is the warmonger. That is one that fights in battle because they indulge in the carnage. This goes way beyond any reasonable fighting that helps accomplish a good goal. The red villain in this video is one. Another good example of red horror is the anarchist. Red is into freedom. Anarchy is the extreme of this freedom. It has a terrifying negative image. This is one where people can fight and kill for the thrill of it, and there is no government to stop them. Urabrask is the praeter that is so much into freedom, he even goes against the rules of New Phrexia. He is quite similar to an anarchist. In any case of horror, the red one is one that doesn't fear death. They don't worry because they think in the moment. Fire and blood are both Red. Red horror would have lots of that. Red can come in two sides. This can show reasons for the impulses of carnage. One is Gruul. That has violent impulse due to a savage animal nature or instinct. One of the things that make werewolves so dangerous is the inability to control the animal impulse to hunt, attack and consume. The other side is Rakdos. Rakdos shows the full desires and impulses of the individual. There is no law to hold them down. They are really likely to kill on a whim or in order to achieve a personal goal. An excellent fictional example of the horror slasher is Norman Bates from Psycho. He fits red horror or even Rakdos horror. He was attracted to a woman he just met. Then on a whim, he murdered her in the shower. Red is a compassionate color that cares for friends and family. Norman has an extreme and twisted version of that. He is so devoted to his mother that he takes on her personality. That personality murdered the woman. That is messed up. There is a weird thing about Norman that the detectives talk about at the end of the movie. Norman never stole the money. He didn't seem to realize it was there. He purely killed in the heat of passion. He didn't kill for greed. The passion is a very red thing. Psycho is an attempt to make a horror story out of psychosis. However the depiction is outdated and inaccurate. The way Norman has multiple personalities is similar to another mental illness called disassociave identity disorder. Those two mental illnesses get confused a lot. This video does actually have something resembling psychosis. It is in a way that makes sense. This part is in blue horror. Whoops.
      3. The Psychopath
      One nice thing about the DiceTry channel is that it is always fair for black. That is good. Making black too villainous is an easy trap to fall into due to the spooky imagery of the cards. There has to be a certain kind of moral failing to best describe black. I think the best is the psychopath. Black is about individualism and ambition. When that is taken to a horrifying extreme, that turns into someone with no moral compass at all. They do whatever they want even if it means harming others. There are two parts. That can be represented by the two black creatures of Innistrad. One side is the Rakdos side. This would be narcissistic. One would like to show off to others. One would also have a superficial charm to lull victims in a false sense of security. Rakdos fits vampires. Vampires are dangerous monsters, but they are also charismatic. There are modern depictions of vampires being romantic. Vampires suck blood, which is red. Blood is pumped by the heart, which is associated with love and feelings. The other side of black is Dimir. This is the cold and calculating side. This is the one that schemes to win out on top and crush any opposition. One is Machavellian in the way they manipulate. Dimir fits zombies. Zombies feed on brains, which is associated with intellect. They are brought to life by a necromancer. The necromancer is a magician and therefore really smart. In DND the wizard is the smartest out of all the magicians. They are the ones that have necromancy as a subclass. It is in the 2014 5E Player Handbook. Another way to make zombies is through technology, which also requires great intelligence. This is the case of Frankenstein's monster. Psychopathy gets mixed with narcissism and machavelism, and that forms the dark triad. That definitely gets to the core of black horror. Shoeldred is the praeter that fit this perfectly. She is all about domination and selfishness at all cost. The crooked noble villain in the video also fits well. Of all the colors, black interacts with death the most. Of all the horror monsters, it is vampires and zombies that strongly associated with black. Both of them are reanimated corpses. That is different from ghosts, which are just spirits, and werewolves, which have nothing to do with the undead. All colors have mechanics that boil down to a distinct role. The role of black is mechanics that have to do with the discard pile, which is called the graveyard. Recycling discarded cards is the main mechanic. Other graveyard related mechanics are creature destruction, creature sacrifice, discarding and milling. While most people would honor and respect the dead, it is the black person that would use it to their own ends. Nothing is sacred to them. This video has black horror as the depraved person that butchers bodies in their workshop. This fits right into with black messing with the dead. Black embodies the fear of the slasher and body horror. Both of those can play a part.

    • @c.d.dailey8013
      @c.d.dailey8013 Місяць тому

      4. The Manipulator
      Blue is the trickiest to figure out. There seems to be two kinds of blue horror in the video. Then I realized that I was looking at the two sides of blue. They go together to form what is best called the manipulator. Blue is about learning and knowledge. They aim to attain a higher state of wisdom. They are willing to teach others which is beneficial. This taken to extreme is the manipulator. This trains and controls people in a way that is harmful. One is willing to play all the trickery and mind games to fulfill its purpose. One who is blue even tries to avoid death by manipulation. They try to stay at least one or two steps ahead. When I think of blue horror, I think of mad scientist. The pursuit of knowledge can make one crazy. There is much fear and cruelty involved. Perhaps the best fictional examples are Dr. Frankenstein and Dr. Jeckel. The praeter Jin-Gitaxius fits this perfectly. He is the one in charge of turning creatures into Phyrexians. There is a horrifying process involving scientific procedures. This praerter is in charge of it. Blue does embody the fear of body horror. The Phyrexians have a ton of that, and the process is responsible. That is really nasty. The mad scientist has personal goals and no morality. So this is the Dimir part of blue. The other side of blue horror is a different form of manipulation. Dimir manipulates the body. Azorious manipulates the mind. The blue villain in the video is all about mind manipulation. He is pretty different from Jin-Gitaxius even though both are blue. Jace is the most iconic blue plainswaker. He can create psychic powers and illusions with his mind. If an evil person had the same power, that would be horrific. This part embodies the fear of possession. That is where there is complete control and manipulation of the mind. The Azorious creatures in Innistrad is ghosts. They would be very good at possession. The horror of blue in the video is loosing touch with reality. This kind of mental illness would be psychosis. There are delusions, hallucinations, incoherent speech, paranoia and catatonia. It is a very complex disorder. DiceTry has a newer video on Azorious. I think the old one got deleted. This video depicts Azorious as the most idealist color pair in MTG. The religion and politics of white combine with the intellect of blue. That leads to a lot of abstraction and ideals. The extreme of it would be psychosis. One is so idealist that they loose touch with reality entirely. I associate this most with religion, but any ideals could turn into this. Azorious is the opposite of red. So it it the most defensive and controlling color. It isn't very aggressive. This may seem to contradict psychosis, but it actually doesn't. Psychosis in reality isn't all that violent. That is a misconception. It is funny that I connected the Psycho movie to Rakdos instead. That shows how inaccurate the depiction is.
      5. The Tyrant
      White is the last color to go over. It is not as goody goody as its clean image suggests. This video really delivers in showing the evil that white is capable of. That is very fair, and I do appreciate it. White has a lot of things in its philosophy linked to being civilized. This gives lots of order in different ways. The extreme of that would be excessive order. The embodiment of this horror is the tyrant, which is the oppressive leader. There is dystopia, like 1984 and Hunger Games. Dystopia is treated as its own genre. However it does seem like horror for political junkies. There are different ways a government can get screwed up. It is common to have totalitarianism as the government. Azorious and Selesnya are two guilds of Ravnica with a clean and pretty image. Yet even that can become horror when taken too far. Azorious is oppressive to freedom. Selesnya is oppressive to the individual. The evil tyranny of white is that taken way too far. Azorious has the white values of order and government. It is a ruling body with laws, courts and guards. The horror of that is the typical dystopia with a totalitarian government. Selesnya has the white values of religion and collectivism. Of the two white allies pairs, Selesnya does seem a bit more religious. There is some kind of worship and reverence to the world soul. I did give Amish as an example of Selesnya horror. Now I am thinking that cults in general would fit this horror. Nothing can remove individuality more effectively than a cult. It is all about the brainwashing, the extreme religion and the religious community. Cults really get into the hive mind and group think. Even real world communism has more individuality than a cult does. Communism would definitely fit white though. Religion can be really nasty when taken to far. This is a certain kind of tyrant, which is the zealot. Many cases of cults or religions going bad would fit here. One exception is using religion as a way to profiteer, which seems more like an Orzhov thing. The shared identity of cult members is a horror of the collectivism of Selesnya. The white villain in this video is of the religious kind. Fictional examples are Frollo from Hunchback of Notre Dame and Silas from DaVinci Code. Elish Norne is a mix of both kinds of white horror. She is both a political and religious leader of New Phrexia. She is a tyrant through and through, and she is really messed up. A real world parallel is how tyrannical kings were supported by the church and about how the church used the state to carry out the Witch Craze. That was really messed up back in Medieval Times. The Bill of Rights of the United States has separation of church and state. It seems to be designed to prevent such horrors. White embodies the fears of possession and institution. The thing both horrors have in common is the ways to control people. White does apply control to death. It uses healing and protection to avoid death as much as possible. It also has a certain respect around the dead. For moral reasons they don't dig up graveyards and mess with corpses.

  • @zramirez5471
    @zramirez5471 5 днів тому +1

    Brazil is such and incredible film...

  • @showcase0525
    @showcase0525 Місяць тому +1

    What a good video. Wow.

  • @EricKingOfScots
    @EricKingOfScots Місяць тому +1

    Why refer to Elesh Norn and Sheoldrid as female, but the other Praetors as "It"? Are they not male?

    • @杨帆-u9r
      @杨帆-u9r 20 днів тому

      白色和黑色是女性

  • @zachariahpoltergeist4516
    @zachariahpoltergeist4516 Місяць тому +1

    Curious as to why you referred to Elish Norn and Sheoldred as "she" but Urabrask, Jin Gitaxius and Vorenclex as "they."

  • @Gnif572
    @Gnif572 Місяць тому +1

    What's that quadraped brain card? xD

  • @DaroriDerEinzige
    @DaroriDerEinzige Місяць тому

    ... And I thought you would talk about the UB releases which are clearly cash grabs.

  • @Szymon_So
    @Szymon_So Місяць тому +1

    It's not really frightening, just think of it as Haribo. 🌀🫂👀
    Incredible presentation. What a journey! 🙏🏻