I'm a US tractor Fan since I'm a kid- tough 6 cylinder engines best for sure the CAT V8 in the Oliver heavy duty axles transmission and breakes thats what made these tractors reliable and real hard workers...I heard the Yellow coloured Minniapolis Moline have been called "Prärie Gold"...I'll be a US tractor Fan till I die-That's for sure!!🇺🇸🖤♠️🎰
Interesting sales video. By this time White had completely destroyed both of the companies in the video though. Moline hadn't designed a tractor from the ground up since the U302 8 years prior to this video. Oliver had some stuff cooking in the late 60's, but a lot of it was rejected by White. White was taking all the money from tractor and AG sales and pouring it into the heavy truck segment of their business, which was doing astoundingly bad. The factory workers at the Moline plant were so pissed about how their company had been run into the ground, when it was announced they would be closing up shop they deliberatly sabotaged a bunch of tractors, most notoriously those last big articulated models. Oliver was allowed to live on, albeit through a paint change to black and silver and their name was erased from the company. Still, people knew the Waukesha powered whites were ollie's at heart. Moline and Oliver had their golden era's, Moline IMO was in the mid 60's when they designed the U302, and it's similar stablemates like the M670. The teleflwo hydraulics, the hydrostat steering, the reliable, powerful engines that could grunt it out made them a delight to operate. Then they were forced to repackage the same tech for the next decade as White cut all their research funding. Ah well, it is ancient history now, just another tale of idiotic corporate managers playing money games destroying an otherwise good company, or in this case 3.
What tragedy! All the ingenuity of many incredibly talented people who produced such exemplary equipment for so long to be destroyed by a bunch of parasitic buffoons who didn't know ingenuity from a dog turd but were able to destroy it all by gaining control of the shareholder's stock. A legendary crime scene. My dad owned Olivers. Everything was engineered right, years ahead of the competition. From the 1948 Standard 88, to the 1957 Super 88 to the 1967 1850, 4 wheel assist, pulling a 28 ft cultivator, I was forever amazed they never left anything wanting leaving the operator to focus on the job. The sound of those engines remains with me even though they are only memories. Thanks for this post. Much appreciated.
I'm bidding on Oliver's right now just to preserve the damn things. Truly an important piece of American history. If you have the scratch get one, don't let them die.
Drove up to Swanton,Vermont in November 1974 with my father to pickup a G1355.Earlier that year Dad's dealership sold a brand new 2255 to Walker Brothers Farm in White Creek,New York
I never did see 👀 oliver tractors or MM tractors around here growing up U just didn't see them around here both tractors are good pulling and working tractors OMG 12 7 2O22
Love my jetstar 3 super. Telo-flow hydraulics, power steering, ampli torque transmission, long stroke gas 4 cylinder, heavy duty front axel. Dunno what all they got compared to the big models, but it certainly was alot of tractor back then and still is. Mine even has a cab, but I believe it was modified to accept it. Excellent tractor and its in the late model all Prarie gold yellow.
the only reason why I love the MM brand was their livery: yellow and white....its that goddamn simple. I have just taken delivery of a 73' MM G1355 with a cab. I now is a display piece in our shed at our summerhouse.
Im a fan of the tractors who build their own motors but it shows their built better when they use a enging tyed and true like catopiler engin or im in love with any thing running a gm deiesel guy down the road has oliver runing a detroit its my favorit tractor of alll times
I had a great great aunt that I never talked to much. She died a few years ago and the family auctioned everything off. I wish I'd have known so I could've bought her pristine all original 2255. I'd have nothing to use it for but it would've been cool to have.
The builders of Monster trucks eventually learned they needed planetary gear drive systems on their axles to handle the high horsepower loads, MM had it in 1973.
The title would have been well used on the 2050 and the 2150 'Whispering Diesels' if they'd been given those cabs and platforms, because they were already so quiet. A 20 or a 21 with that cab and A/C would have been a delight. Of course the 2-135 and 2-155 were basically upgraded 2050's and 2150's with really upgraded cabs.
I bought a 16 year old 2050 in 1985. It had this same cab as illustrated. The cab was worn out worse than the tractor. I used this 2050 for three seasons, it replaced a Farmall 400 and was the only high horsepower tractor we ever had. It really pulled, better than the dealer had claimed. I had 6x16 behind it, but it could have pulled two more bottoms in our light soil. After the first season, the cab had to go. It was just a giant tin box that amplified the engine noise, barely kept out the rain, and seemed to have a post in ever line-of-sight I needed to do field work. Not sure if it was a better cab when new, but it wasn't much of a deal when I got it 16 years on. We had only had gas jobs to that point. The diesel in this beast was really frugal. We were doing only about 125 acres at the time, but I could fill it up once and do the whole acreage on just that fill up. Better than filling the Farmall's tank every four-five hours like I was used to doing.
If a 146 hp 2255 would pull all those implements I imagine a 175 hp JD 6030 would have just played with them. Those tractors regularly came out of the factory at 200+ hp. A 1566 would’ve been a good puller at the time as well at 160 pto hp.
WE pulled a White 588 7 bottom spring reset plow with a 7520 back in the day. It was a handful for it in our heavy soils but handled it fine otherwise. I doubt those tractors shown could pull 7 bottoms here anyway. We also still have a G1000 VIsta. although not sure why. Today we run Caterpillar flat tracks.
@@Jordannelson23 White tried a "hostile take over", if you remember that term, of Allis Chalmers. It almost broke Allis financially fighting the take over in court and caused a delay in the introduction of the 7000 series which was supposed to debut in 1969. There were other delays too so AC wouldn't have made the 1969 date anyhow but it pushed them back and really hurt them financially as I mentioned. AC delayed also because the deal they made with Allison providing the power shift for the 7000 series fell through so AC decided to build their own transmissions for the 7000 series. And it turns out they built both a bullet proof Power Shift and Power Director. Now the Massey people moved into AGCO after a big part of the leadership was killed in a plane crash and they are ruining AGCO now by killing the orange and they really want Gleaner out so they can push the mechanical nightmare Fendt combine.
I will say this if I was a farmer I would of chosen a Minneapolis Moline G1355 diesel with 145 horsepower why because of there performance and the final drive and how you can put the horsepower to ground and it's not setting on the axles like the other tractor's are it's about like a planetary axle and no wander that Minneapolis tractor's and Oliver are number one in the country because of the performance and horsepower they build tractors the right way where the horsepower goes to the ground number one 👍
Oil pump go out on yours? Mine went in 150 hrs engine replaced and external oil pump added and still running today just curious about yours mine has a leaking over under for 40 years still
@@jasongibbs47 the dealer added an external oil line early on. But at roughly 500 hours and that crank flexing because of poor alignment it sent a rod through the crankcase & one block. I had had enough. I bought a 4-150 and it was my main tillage tractor for over 20 years. I somehow survived the 1980's, but as a young farmer back then, I didn't need that added machinery debt. I still have several Whites & a few Olivers & Molines.
They keep trying to kill Gleaner and let dealers come in selling Claas Lexion at the same dealership. Deere would never allow that to happen but AGCO does allow dealers to sell another brand. They will never win that way and they really hurt their US market by killing the AGCO Allis orange line. Now in my area there are no new AGCO brand tractors except a handful of Challengers. There were getting to be a few AGCO Allis DT series but AGCO tried to force Massey down their throats and so most went to CaseIH in my area. AGCO also lets dealers continuously disappear and without dealers you can't sell iron PERIOD! I wish AGCO would just sell Gleaner to a competent company like Kubota or something so I know I can still keep my Gleaner.
Gosh, if they were as good as this video makes them out to be, then why did they both go out of business not long after this video was made? I have a feeling it's because neither had a fully developed dealer and service system. I liked how the rear wheels adjusted on the Minnie in this video. When we adjusted the rear wheels on our JD 4020's it had to be done from the ground using a wrench to turn a big nut which slid the wheel on the axle. Lot harder than sitting in the seat and doing it like on this Minnie. LOL. I grew up on an Iowa farm in the 60's and 70's and never saw very many Minnies, but the ones I did see were usually rusting away in a weedpatch in a barnyard. Never saw any working Ollies in our area. Just John Deere's and IH's mostly, with an occasional Allis. But I did enjoy this video nonetheless. It's always fun to see these old promotional videos no matter what brand of equipment they are pushing. Thanks for uploading it!
The main reason they went under was because White took all the money being made by the farm devision and put it into their sinking truck line. They also didn't go under shortly after this video was released, White just decided to put their name on the equipment instead of Oliver, Minneapolis Moline, or Cockshutt. Up here it is more common to see Whites, Cockshutts, and Olivers out working over IH and Deere when it comes to old tractors
Thanks for the info. I've been out of the farming loop for about 45 years. What year did White take them over? Didn't White eventually go out of business, or did someone take them over too? Where is "up here"?
3069mark White bought Oliver in 1960, Cockshutt in 1962, and Minneapolis Moline in 1963. White took them over completely in 1969 to 1970 area and they were grouped together as White Farm equipment. It was up here in Ontario at that time that the Cockshutt name began getting used less. For example the tractors you see in this video are called the White 2255, White 2270, and White 1470. In 1974 the first silver and black white tractors began being sold instead of red and white up here and green and white in the states. White merged with New Idea in the 80s and then joined agco in the early 90s. White tractors were built up until the early 2000s when they changed the name to only agco. Massey combines use whites designs. Sorry if I came across as a little bashful. I just don't like people speaking ill of a company that did a lot for the farm equipment industry
my grandfather had a 4wd Ollie 1800 from the '60's. it was built like a tank and did all the "heavy work" on his dairy farm. after watching this video, I now know why he chose it. after all these years ( decades), I still remember and love that tractor above all the others. awesome video, and awesome power from a great company. several websites clarify what happened to them. wish they were still around
No worries, Red Iron. I am sorry too if I came across as bashing Ollies and Minnies. We all probably favor the tractors that we grew up with and used on our parent's farms. For me that was John Deere. I am sure Ollies, Minnies, etc, were good machines. But I will tell you this, and that is that I just don't care that much for the new tractors with all their plastic and electronics. I guess that is also because of the time period I grew up in when farm equipment was all still just mechanical with no electronics and built with 100% solid steel. These darn new ones sure are expensive too, and the old ones are becoming collectors items and the prices on them are becoming outrageous too. I just miss the good ole days!
The only troubles I think they had were a bad oil pump for some reason and they would crack a head once in a while. That's the engine. MM had a weak rear end but Oliver had a pretty good rear end.
White/Oliver/ MM is really using marketing to the max. Powershift wheels were an Allis Chalmers invention 20 + years prior . Allis Chalmers set records for the quietest cab in the industry in 1973, a feat no company has beat to this day. Allis Chalmers had the first tilt steering back in the 1960's on the D21 . Hydraulic system on these tractors were far behind the Allis Chalmers preassure and flow compensating hydraulics, another feature copied by every tractor manufacturers and still the standard today, not to mention the traction booster system that was far superior to the Oliver/MM
Oliver 77's and 88's were vastly superior to WD45's. Until the D series, Allis Chalmers tractors weren't any better than any short line company's offerings. That narrow, claustrophobic little AC cab was miserable, and none of them rode as nice as an Oliver or White. As cool as the 190/190XT and D21's were, there isn't a single AC model I would take in the place of an equivalent Oliver or Moline of the same period.
42lookc 45 would eat an 88 for lunch. The 7000 series cabs were small but more roomy than the white 3 sided horrible cab, and the Oliver /mm tractors were no match for 190/200 or D21
42lookc what are you the view Nazi? Maybe I find it interesting to see other tractors, might learn something. What I learned watching this video is that white/Oliver/mm liked to stretch the truth
Have you read the book Plow Peddler by Walter Buechard ? spelled wrong .. it's a lot about his career selling Allis Chalmers but he started at Advanced Rumley .. Yes moline was behind on Hydraulics and things like that and their Engines were super tough but not tough enough to handle a turbo .. White used Perkins ect ..
As far as the cab they did compared to these two tractors from White but I like my Allis 7050 cab better than even my buddy's 4755 which I drive a lot for him. The 4755 has the nice 15 speed PS but the cab is really cramped and if the air doesn't work like his didn't when I first drove it for him disking, you will roast because the windows don't open wide and the engine is so close to the cab. And my 7050 is just as quiet with room for a lunch bucket on either side of the steering console or behind the right side of the seat and one of my kids could sleep on the padded area to the left rear of my seat. It's like that area was custom made for a kid to sit, like a padded seat of their own. The Deere cab has a lot less room. BTW the 7050 was introduced in early January of 1973, just a couple months after the 30 series Deere and with a quieter cab.
I'm a US tractor Fan since I'm a kid- tough 6 cylinder engines best for sure the CAT V8 in the Oliver heavy duty axles transmission and breakes thats what made these tractors reliable and real hard workers...I heard the Yellow coloured Minniapolis Moline have been called "Prärie Gold"...I'll be a US tractor Fan till I die-That's for sure!!🇺🇸🖤♠️🎰
Interesting sales video. By this time White had completely destroyed both of the companies in the video though. Moline hadn't designed a tractor from the ground up since the U302 8 years prior to this video. Oliver had some stuff cooking in the late 60's, but a lot of it was rejected by White.
White was taking all the money from tractor and AG sales and pouring it into the heavy truck segment of their business, which was doing astoundingly bad.
The factory workers at the Moline plant were so pissed about how their company had been run into the ground, when it was announced they would be closing up shop they deliberatly sabotaged a bunch of tractors, most notoriously those last big articulated models.
Oliver was allowed to live on, albeit through a paint change to black and silver and their name was erased from the company. Still, people knew the Waukesha powered whites were ollie's at heart.
Moline and Oliver had their golden era's, Moline IMO was in the mid 60's when they designed the U302, and it's similar stablemates like the M670. The teleflwo hydraulics, the hydrostat steering, the reliable, powerful engines that could grunt it out made them a delight to operate. Then they were forced to repackage the same tech for the next decade as White cut all their research funding.
Ah well, it is ancient history now, just another tale of idiotic corporate managers playing money games destroying an otherwise good company, or in this case 3.
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I agree minneapolis had some pretty darn good tractors in the 60s like the g1000 Vista
What tragedy! All the ingenuity of many incredibly talented people who produced such exemplary equipment for so long to be destroyed by a bunch of parasitic buffoons who didn't know ingenuity from a dog turd but were able to destroy it all by gaining control of the shareholder's stock. A legendary crime scene. My dad owned Olivers. Everything was engineered right, years ahead of the competition. From the 1948 Standard 88, to the 1957 Super 88 to the 1967 1850, 4 wheel assist, pulling a 28 ft cultivator, I was forever amazed they never left anything wanting leaving the operator to focus on the job. The sound of those engines remains with me even though they are only memories. Thanks for this post. Much appreciated.
Wish they were still being manufactured
White should of named this video look at how were going to take two perfectly good farm equipment manufacturers and destroy both of em
So true!! So true!!
Beautiful video of a beautiful America love that old iron
ours was 3208 Cat again ours was the last of the 2255's and we never had to replace that suppose ably throw engine Cat we had three 3208's no problems
Awesome video. Great to see Minneapolis-Moline equipment at work in the field.
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What?,you didn't film this one B.T.P.?.(just kidding HAHA!!🤣👍)
I'm bidding on Oliver's right now just to preserve the damn things. Truly an important piece of American history. If you have the scratch get one, don't let them die.
da fuq?
Drove up to Swanton,Vermont in November 1974 with my father to pickup a G1355.Earlier that year Dad's dealership sold a brand new 2255 to Walker Brothers Farm in White Creek,New York
I want a MM now just how funny that guy was and how well he explained the tractor lol
I never did see 👀 oliver tractors or MM tractors around here growing up U just didn't see them around here both tractors are good pulling and working tractors OMG 12 7 2O22
thats a cool film thanks for posting it :)
Very nice find! Thank you.
Nice Video 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks for upload 😊
Outstanding!!!
Love my jetstar 3 super. Telo-flow hydraulics, power steering, ampli torque transmission, long stroke gas 4 cylinder, heavy duty front axel. Dunno what all they got compared to the big models, but it certainly was alot of tractor back then and still is. Mine even has a cab, but I believe it was modified to accept it. Excellent tractor and its in the late model all Prarie gold yellow.
we both as Canadian Whites 2270 & we had later on 2255 with MFWA
the only reason why I love the MM brand was their livery: yellow and white....its that goddamn simple.
I have just taken delivery of a 73' MM G1355 with a cab. I now is a display piece in our shed at our summerhouse.
Im a fan of the tractors who build their own motors but it shows their built better when they use a enging tyed and true like catopiler engin or im in love with any thing running a gm deiesel guy down the road has oliver runing a detroit its my favorit tractor of alll times
Growing up in northwest Iowa there were not many farmers who used MM or Ollie. Mostly IH or Deere.
That 1465 was just a repainted FIAT 750
I ran a g1355 in olver pant nice then got a big case 😊
fond memories 😊
I like that a lot
Esse trator parece o nosso CBT aqui no Brasil!!!
I had a great great aunt that I never talked to much. She died a few years ago and the family auctioned everything off. I wish I'd have known so I could've bought her pristine all original 2255. I'd have nothing to use it for but it would've been cool to have.
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The builders of Monster trucks eventually learned they needed planetary gear drive systems on their axles to handle the high horsepower loads, MM had it in 1973.
All your Construction equipment like Front end loaders had it .. since the 1960's or before
That is an Oliver designed transmission and final drives on the 1355. Only the engine and paint are Moline on that tractor.
The title would have been well used on the 2050 and the 2150 'Whispering Diesels' if they'd been given those cabs and platforms, because they were already so quiet. A 20 or a 21 with that cab and A/C would have been a delight. Of course the 2-135 and 2-155 were basically upgraded 2050's and 2150's with really upgraded cabs.
I bought a 16 year old 2050 in 1985. It had this same cab as illustrated. The cab was worn out worse than the tractor. I used this 2050 for three seasons, it replaced a Farmall 400 and was the only high horsepower tractor we ever had. It really pulled, better than the dealer had claimed. I had 6x16 behind it, but it could have pulled two more bottoms in our light soil. After the first season, the cab had to go. It was just a giant tin box that amplified the engine noise, barely kept out the rain, and seemed to have a post in ever line-of-sight I needed to do field work. Not sure if it was a better cab when new, but it wasn't much of a deal when I got it 16 years on. We had only had gas jobs to that point. The diesel in this beast was really frugal. We were doing only about 125 acres at the time, but I could fill it up once and do the whole acreage on just that fill up. Better than filling the Farmall's tank every four-five hours like I was used to doing.
Wish_they_were_here.
If a 146 hp 2255 would pull all those implements I imagine a 175 hp JD 6030 would have just played with them. Those tractors regularly came out of the factory at 200+ hp. A 1566 would’ve been a good puller at the time as well at 160 pto hp.
WE pulled a White 588 7 bottom spring reset plow with a 7520 back in the day. It was a handful for it in our heavy soils but handled it fine otherwise. I doubt those tractors shown could pull 7 bottoms here anyway.
We also still have a G1000 VIsta. although not sure why. Today we run Caterpillar flat tracks.
Sorry that minneapolis moline went out of business
Can blame white for that one and it really sucks be nice to see what they would of become if still around
@@Jordannelson23 White tried a "hostile take over", if you remember that term, of Allis Chalmers. It almost broke Allis financially fighting the take over in court and caused a delay in the introduction of the 7000 series which was supposed to debut in 1969. There were other delays too so AC wouldn't have made the 1969 date anyhow but it pushed them back and really hurt them financially as I mentioned. AC delayed also because the deal they made with Allison providing the power shift for the 7000 series fell through so AC decided to build their own transmissions for the 7000 series. And it turns out they built both a bullet proof Power Shift and Power Director.
Now the Massey people moved into AGCO after a big part of the leadership was killed in a plane crash and they are ruining AGCO now by killing the orange and they really want Gleaner out so they can push the mechanical nightmare Fendt combine.
The young boys don't know this is their their favorite Cummins motor came from
sure love that elevator waiting music.....lol
this music is at 2:11....and whenever it comes on
I will say this if I was a farmer I would of chosen a Minneapolis Moline G1355 diesel with 145 horsepower why because of there performance and the final drive and how you can put the horsepower to ground and it's not setting on the axles like the other tractor's are it's about like a planetary axle and no wander that Minneapolis tractor's and Oliver are number one in the country because of the performance and horsepower they build tractors the right way where the horsepower goes to the ground number one 👍
I bought a G1355 in 73. Wish the hell I had bought the 2255 cat power.
My 1355 was a lemmon.
Oil pump go out on yours? Mine went in 150 hrs engine replaced and external oil pump added and still running today just curious about yours mine has a leaking over under for 40 years still
@@jasongibbs47 the dealer added an external oil line early on. But at roughly 500 hours and that crank flexing because of poor alignment it sent a rod through the crankcase & one block. I had had enough. I bought a 4-150 and it was my main tillage tractor for over 20 years. I somehow survived the 1980's, but as a young farmer back then, I didn't need that added machinery debt.
I still have several Whites & a few Olivers & Molines.
if AGCO would get after it they would take over the number 1 spot in America.
bondoly66 nahhh never
Who would be the flagship brand Massey or Challenger or Fendt ?
@@dalegreene3205 probably would be allis chalmers if Agco didn't get rid of the name.
They keep trying to kill Gleaner and let dealers come in selling Claas Lexion at the same dealership. Deere would never allow that to happen but AGCO does allow dealers to sell another brand. They will never win that way and they really hurt their US market by killing the AGCO Allis orange line. Now in my area there are no new AGCO brand tractors except a handful of Challengers. There were getting to be a few AGCO Allis DT series but AGCO tried to force Massey down their throats and so most went to CaseIH in my area. AGCO also lets dealers continuously disappear and without dealers you can't sell iron PERIOD! I wish AGCO would just sell Gleaner to a competent company like Kubota or something so I know I can still keep my Gleaner.
And that was gear driven fwd and JD did hyd driven fwd at the time
Leave green and add Gold!
4 FD tractors are better all 4 tires pull at the same time that gives U more pulling power OMG 12 7 2O22
Gosh, if they were as good as this video makes them out to be, then why did they both go out of business not long after this video was made? I have a feeling it's because neither had a fully developed dealer and service system. I liked how the rear wheels adjusted on the Minnie in this video. When we adjusted the rear wheels on our JD 4020's it had to be done from the ground using a wrench to turn a big nut which slid the wheel on the axle. Lot harder than sitting in the seat and doing it like on this Minnie. LOL. I grew up on an Iowa farm in the 60's and 70's and never saw very many Minnies, but the ones I did see were usually rusting away in a weedpatch in a barnyard. Never saw any working Ollies in our area. Just John Deere's and IH's mostly, with an occasional Allis. But I did enjoy this video nonetheless. It's always fun to see these old promotional videos no matter what brand of equipment they are pushing. Thanks for uploading it!
The main reason they went under was because White took all the money being made by the farm devision and put it into their sinking truck line. They also didn't go under shortly after this video was released, White just decided to put their name on the equipment instead of Oliver, Minneapolis Moline, or Cockshutt. Up here it is more common to see Whites, Cockshutts, and Olivers out working over IH and Deere when it comes to old tractors
Thanks for the info. I've been out of the farming loop for about 45 years. What year did White take them over? Didn't White eventually go out of business, or did someone take them over too? Where is "up here"?
3069mark White bought Oliver in 1960, Cockshutt in 1962, and Minneapolis Moline in 1963. White took them over completely in 1969 to 1970 area and they were grouped together as White Farm equipment. It was up here in Ontario at that time that the Cockshutt name began getting used less. For example the tractors you see in this video are called the White 2255, White 2270, and White 1470. In 1974 the first silver and black white tractors began being sold instead of red and white up here and green and white in the states. White merged with New Idea in the 80s and then joined agco in the early 90s. White tractors were built up until the early 2000s when they changed the name to only agco. Massey combines use whites designs. Sorry if I came across as a little bashful. I just don't like people speaking ill of a company that did a lot for the farm equipment industry
my grandfather had a 4wd Ollie 1800 from the '60's. it was built like a tank and did all the "heavy work" on his dairy farm. after watching this video, I now know why he chose it. after all these years ( decades), I still remember and love that tractor above all the others. awesome video, and awesome power from a great company. several websites clarify what happened to them. wish they were still around
No worries, Red Iron. I am sorry too if I came across as bashing Ollies and Minnies. We all probably favor the tractors that we grew up with and used on our parent's farms. For me that was John Deere. I am sure Ollies, Minnies, etc, were good machines. But I will tell you this, and that is that I just don't care that much for the new tractors with all their plastic and electronics. I guess that is also because of the time period I grew up in when farm equipment was all still just mechanical with no electronics and built with 100% solid steel. These darn new ones sure are expensive too, and the old ones are becoming collectors items and the prices on them are becoming outrageous too. I just miss the good ole days!
can, you,get,a,dvd,copy,off,that,show
Ada Compton. Floyd County Muesem has a lot of Oliver MM and White promotional films. www.floydcountymuseum.org/resource.html
585 cubes ready to break a crankshaft
The only troubles I think they had were a bad oil pump for some reason and they would crack a head once in a while. That's the engine. MM had a weak rear end but Oliver had a pretty good rear end.
White/Oliver/ MM is really using marketing to the max. Powershift wheels were an Allis Chalmers invention 20 + years prior . Allis Chalmers set records for the quietest cab in the industry in 1973, a feat no company has beat to this day. Allis Chalmers had the first tilt steering back in the 1960's on the D21 . Hydraulic system on these tractors were far behind the Allis Chalmers preassure and flow compensating hydraulics, another feature copied by every tractor manufacturers and still the standard today, not to mention the traction booster system that was far superior to the Oliver/MM
Oliver 77's and 88's were vastly superior to WD45's. Until the D series, Allis Chalmers tractors weren't any better than any short line company's offerings. That narrow, claustrophobic little AC cab was miserable, and none of them rode as nice as an Oliver or White. As cool as the 190/190XT and D21's were, there isn't a single AC model I would take in the place of an equivalent Oliver or Moline of the same period.
42lookc 45 would eat an 88 for lunch. The 7000 series cabs were small but more roomy than the white 3 sided horrible cab, and the Oliver /mm tractors were no match for 190/200 or D21
Why are you even watching a video and commenting on tractors you obviously dislike so much? There must be lots of AC videos out there.
42lookc what are you the view Nazi? Maybe I find it interesting to see other tractors, might learn something. What I learned watching this video is that white/Oliver/mm liked to stretch the truth
Have you read the book Plow Peddler by Walter Buechard ? spelled wrong .. it's a lot about his career selling Allis Chalmers but he started at Advanced Rumley ..
Yes moline was behind on Hydraulics and things like that and their Engines were super tough but not tough enough to handle a turbo .. White used Perkins ect ..
Could you imagine getting off one of these and get in a quad range 30 series Deere with a air conditioned sound guard can. Pretty sure Deere won
Jeremy Freeman this tractor was years ahead of the J D 30 series likley closer to the JD 10 series or before
@@jakepeters4051 Deere's 30 series was introduced in 1973
As far as the cab they did compared to these two tractors from White but I like my Allis 7050 cab better than even my buddy's 4755 which I drive a lot for him. The 4755 has the nice 15 speed PS but the cab is really cramped and if the air doesn't work like his didn't when I first drove it for him disking, you will roast because the windows don't open wide and the engine is so close to the cab. And my 7050 is just as quiet with room for a lunch bucket on either side of the steering console or behind the right side of the seat and one of my kids could sleep on the padded area to the left rear of my seat. It's like that area was custom made for a kid to sit, like a padded seat of their own. The Deere cab has a lot less room. BTW the 7050 was introduced in early January of 1973, just a couple months after the 30 series Deere and with a quieter cab.
how come you never mention cockshutt tractors
John Deere 6030 has more power by alot.
closed center but no priority valve.
No matter.......just real hard to out run a deere
585= busted crank shaft seized up engine. and white wouldn't warranty it
Same here still have it engine locked up at 150 hrs was rebuilt and external oil pump installed still running good today
moline& Oliver =scrap iron
Randy Robinson oh ya??
Randy Robinson
How do you state that??
Randy robinson = Piece of shit
I guess that's why my dads 66 Oliver is still going strong today, after 70+ years.
Randy , Oliver was among the best in the business. They had great products.
What was the cost of such a tractor back then?