I was very impressed by the lesbian episode, but I couldn't get past the first 10 minutes of this extremely sexist and misandrist episode, claiming that men are often either gross or tyrannical - and thus responsible for women's choices. The irony of anti-male sexism is that it obliviously embraces the female hypo-agency and male hyper-agency that it purports to oppose. Women not doing something? Men's fault. Men not doing something? men's fault. Further, the fact that such messages are received normally or even enthusiastically, undermines the truth of them as a preponderance of such men would create too hostile an environment to say it in without massive backlash. There is no account here of female patterns of power, controlling misbehavior or responsibility (only the male form). Nor do we hear of the many social pressures (just as often from women) and forms of violence or deprivation men face that women often don't. The admirable and moving compassion for women and gays in the episode on lesbianism is nowhere to be found here.
I truly believe marriage can be wonderful, but it requires a lot of communication and effort. However, living with the husband's family is another big obstacle for a young couple to add to an already difficult situation. The key to a good marriage is listening to each other and being able to make concessions. Thank you!
the girl in the video(not the host) is missing the fact that in modern family, its the women who are arrogant and controlling. hence the famous phrase "women are never wrong".
True marriage is a beautiful thing but the first year is the harder and the sweeter ,you just trying to balance and adapt to each other's lifestyle,learning to accept the bad and the good but still enjoying the feeling of ur heart flattering , but living with your in law just make things harder and uncomfortable
After spending yesrs in a bad marriage, i can say growing old alone is better than growing old with someone that treats you poorly snd being unhappy. Theres a difference between "alone" and "lonely". I feel like a person with a fulfilling life may be alone, but not likely lonely.
Don’t judge by the book cover because everyone not the same & we shouldn’t judge everyone because of one bad apple. Always reassuring oneself before approaching or tie-knot; get to know one other first perhaps for 1-3 months & if the person genuinely good for u then don’t waste time & propose to them. Lots of people online refuge to go further without any knowledge or understanding of that person just judging by their pic that’s all & never want to meet face to face
This video is excellent for my Mandarin, and it also my deepens my understanding of a rather complicated socio-cultural phenomenon that pertains to the China of today. Great stuff, Mandarin Corner.
Eileen, these videos are fantastic! Your channel is definitely my favorite when it comes to learning Mandarin. Your hard work, creativity and perseverance always shines through!!
*List of Topics Discussed* 1. How drastically has the Chinese marriage rate changed? 2. Four main reasons Chinese girls don't want to get married 3. Chinese girls’ thoughts on growing old alone 4. The impact this phenomenon has on Chinese birthrate and economy 5. Why are Chinese girls are buying sex toys 6. How will Chinese society look like if people don’t marry? 7. AI and Robots: can it prevent single Chinese girls from feeling lonely?
Can you make a video on why Chinese boys are not getting married too. Because marriage is not just done by girls. I heard many Chinese boys are not getting married because of the high expectations of the society from men. Like needing to provide house, money and have a very good job. And be very good looking, tall and rich.
@@Human-hx8ypEven if the men meet all those criteria, the women will try to get rid of them once the men have already passed on their tallness, intelligence, and good looks to their kids. Even if the man does both the traditional mom and dad roles and allows the woman to spend all of her money on herself. The goalposts keep moving back.
@@SO-jp6gh Yes, bad women are like that. They are a big problem for the entire society. But I believe there are still a lot of good women who are not like those bad women. I have seen many very humble and innocent women who are very traditional and respectful. They truly love and care about their husbands a lot. They do jobs and supports her husband with expenses while also taking care of children and doing household chores. So humanity still has hope.
Agree a very erudite person with her finger on the pulse of what is going on. Even though I am much older I agree with all of her points including on AI. She clearly keeps up with everything
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I find it interesting that it seems like no matter the culture, better education and better jobs/income decrease marriage and birth rates for women. Like all of these issues that are being discussed were and are replicated here in America as well, just a few decades earlier. Women definitely still feel stretched, having to be "super moms", women who work and also clean and cook and take care of the kids and husband, all while being independent and taking care of themselves to look attractive to society... It's just so much to ask from one human being. Men like my self need to try harder to step up, despite the pressures we also feel in life. Great buoke (podcast)!
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Hi Eileen! Thank you so much for all the hard work that you put into your videos. I just now found your channel and it's an absolute gold mine of listening practice content. I find it intriguing that nowadays, this issue isn't subjective to Chinese women, but for almost every racial/national demographic of women. I also have a feeling that in the coming years, we might see a rise of people marrying in their late 30's or early 40's, interracial marriages (because many people are finding it difficult to find a suitable partner in their country), or single elderly people. That's just my two cents. Great video btw!
Wow, what a fascinating discussion. It's like first, second, and third wave feminism all hit over about 15 years. Thank you for being so frank and open. It's wonderful to hear young women's voices from China.
one of the best videos. very enriching and I did appreciate the authenticity and straightforwardness of you two. I am not really into IA as far as i ma concerned anfd quite agree with you Eilen about the very nature of face to face dealings and exchanges. Keep it up
Hi, Eileen! Thank you so much for the amazing content you put out, I've been following you for 4 years and this is definitely my favorite Chinese-language channel on UA-cam. Also, it'd be amazing if you could add soft-coded subtitles to the videos, it would help us people trying to sentence-mine so much! It's really hard and time-consuming to do it without them. Thanks again for your amazing work and keep it up! ❤😊
8:10 I think this is a misconception. While women are young, they can live and work comfortably for themselves, but after the age of 40-50 years, 99% of them admit that not starting a family on time was the biggest mistake in their life. It’s stupid to promote life for single women. Women and men are created to live in a family, and not alone. you just need to learn to coexist correctly and mutually beneficially. 10:10 in this case, saying “marriage is not necessary” would be a mistake. It would be correct to say “you need to approach marriage with a person carefully, in order to choose the right person", and not the one with whom you will break up after a few years, on your or his initiative. It is not necessary to marry immediately after coming of age, but you must definitely prepare for the right marriage with the right person, even if it will be 10-20 years in the future. 36:15 Example of all countries in the world shows that government only cares about single people as long as they remain able to work. After aging and/or loss of able to work, no one needs them anymore, and no one wants to allocate resources to them. Neither for man nor for woman. Do not create optimistic illusions, world is very practical and ruthless, and will always be so. 37:48 if the person is rich - yes. But if a person is poor or of average income, who and why will give him such an expensive and complex device as an "android assistant"? And its maintenance will also cost money, where to get it from? From pension? How many? Or will the state pay for it? What category of citizens? There are too many questions, and anything with too many questions - is unreliable. And I wouldn’t want my old parents to depend on something unreliable. Otherwise, I was very interested in listening your discussion. There are things on which I completely agree with you. But there are things that raise too many questions and seem more like dreams, than something promising or real.
Yeah I think it’s really important to think wholistically over the entire lifetime which is hard to do.. these attitudes are driven by an assumption that people are emotionally okay and physically okay being alone their entire life.. that assumption is flawed
@@cristina8868 Yes you guessed it, I have never seen or heard this. I don’t know in what region of the world and what category of people, in old age, live as you described. I judge by myself, by my surroundings, by my friends who live in Eastern Europe, Ireland, Canada, East Asia, and their experiences. Despite the good quality of life, everything is always stressful, you have to work hard and constantly save, and this does not improve even when you approach retirement age, plus physical weakness and chronic illnesses add to this. I don’t know what cases of happy, lonely old age you are talking about, but I would really like to know about these 0.1% of cases.
Is it me, or does Sharon speak more formally than some people? I'm somewhere on an intermediate level (I'm Taiwanese American who spoke a tiny bit of Mandarin, but later improved some when I married a Chinese woman) but I seem to have a harder time understanding her. This is good for me at least, because it'll definitely help me improve more. Improvement is definitely needed because I feel my Chinese has gotten stagnant because after fifteen years of marriage my wife and I basically use all the same words. Keep it up though, Eileen! These topics are interesting and relevant and are great for intermediate speakers like myself.
She questioned the meaning of marriage so I'll give my answer. Marriage is indeed a way of locking yourself with someone, and that's what's beautiful about it. It's like saying "You can now tell me everything about yourself and I won't run away", and both have no choice but to actually know about each other deeply. In a casual relationship, you'll only ever see the surface level because one may be afraid to show their true self in order to avoid scaring the partner away. The point of marriage is to remove that barrier
I though the analysis was superficial until Eileen shared her opinion at 6:13.. complaining about men is half the problem the other must be related to women.. if they are economically self sufficient perhaps their expectations to meet a man may rise beyond what’s realistic.. on the other hand women’s changed behavior, attitudes, etc may be very unattractive to what men look for in a woman.. Can never look at a large issue like this from one side.. great content Eileen!
Not only that, but it's been showed time and time again that women are simple not attracted to men that make less money than them, or are somehow lower status. So what she said does not hold up. When women get wealthy, they don't just accept nice comparable men, they now look at even richer men, of whom there are very few. The whole conversation is the same feminist nonsense that has been ruining the west for 40 years already.
Prosperous marriage isn’t only based on financially but mutual trust & showing affectionate towards each other & also be there for one another during times of distress
Great video. Can you explain 对数？ Pleco and other dictionaries translate it as "logarithm" but it appears to be used as more as "calculation" or "number". Thanks
El matrimonio es una excelente opción para muchas personas pero no para todas. No es cierto que el "amor profundo" sólo ocurra o sólo se encuentre en una convivencia o en una monogamia. Existen distintas formas de amar y debemos evitar alimentar esa presión social sobre una única forma o un único estándar. La felicidad tiene distintas formas en distintas épocas incluso a lo largo de la vida de una persona. Que la mayor cantidad de personas alcance la felicidad a su manera debería ser el ideal común. Sufrir por amor es la peor opción.
Hell yes we want to be alone and love it. I am an Aunty of nearly 60 and love my life. I was married but it did not suit me. Now I have an amazing international life. I used to live in China. Now I live in Myanmar. I see young chinese women waking up and realizing it is ok to live their own lives.
I lived in China for many years as a native New Yorker. I learned to speak Mandarin Chinese to fluency. Therefore I was able to talk to local people about this issue. It is not an easy one to discuss because there are many pressures that women are burdened with in Chinese society, and there are many issues that Chinese men are burdened with. Because of this there can be a clash between men and woman on what they believe the marriage and family structure should look like there is still some residual old-fashioned male dominant ideas that permanent the culture and the women are pushing against it even with my in-laws, I see some of the fights that they have stem from leftover ideas from a highly male dominated culture. Also, the men have to pay a dowry which can amount to a lot of money, the men need to have a house, a car, and a good career in order to secure a decent marriage. Now these days with economic hardships, it is hard for men to have all these conditions in place before they are married.
As a man who is creating a very advanced dating AI simulator, this conversation deeply scared me. My goal is to motivate people to learn how to speak with others properly and not be afraid of dating real person (unite people), but instead it seems like people would rather date an AI robot than a real person? Did I fucked up, did we all fucked up? Does this mean the end of love and relationships as such, does this mean the end of what it means to be a human? If Sharon truly believes we don't need men, we just need an AI, isn't this the worst possible outcome of our society? I thought that at least what will remain in 5 years will be true human touch and skinship will be valuable, but according to this video there are other ways and that is very depressing. I can't be the only one who realizes all the consequences of this.
But what do women need men for? If men treated women like human beings we wouldn't be here. I think it's great more and more women are realising they can have a better life without husbands who treat them like shit. Men are to blame for this.
It's not weird at all. AI will solve many issues, including low birth rate. AI can do things like developing fetuses in artificial wombs, for example. Though there is a great issue of nations abusing it to mass produce babies/certain types of babies
Now the Chinese society shows a conflict of generations. The young generation of Chinese is more educated and that causes conflict too. 很有意思的视频和采访，你们辛苦了！❤
That's very short-sighted. If you don't marry and have children, you have literally failed at life. Anyway, happiness comes and goes. But making a loving home and family will bring true happiness in the long-term.
Spoiler: They still do want to get married. They just can't find a partner that meets their standards, and then when they're 35 and "career focused" and barren, they can't figure out why no successful guy who meets their criteria wants to date them
I can understand but I don't share her opinion to not having children and not getting married. I try to remain optimistic even after all the Ls. However, for the consequences of a aging society, she's desillusional, in my opinion : No state will "fund" a zero baby policy, welfare will remain for couples. Single people will be always the more taxed. Retirement insurance is a disillusion, save and live frugally when you are old. Same situation as old people nowadays (insurance companies are selling a product, don't be fool). No one will take care of you... Do you think that other people's children are going. to take care of you ? Not for. very good pay especially when the labor force is rare... Or maybe immigration... To conclude : don't be influence by other opinions especially if they want to sell you something. Life is really not easy but stay optimistic, with a bit of luck you will find someone (maybe marriage, having kids) and do some concessions, it's going to be okay😉
Great topic, it's not personal, I know there are limits to what be said but they make it sound like in China you do what you feel like doing. I think the society, parents and the government have lots of creative ways to pressure people before they get overwhelmed with too much choice and personal freedom
Sharon is very likable and brilliant imho. She's not necessarily right in her predictions but she makes a decent case)) I can't help but feel a bit envious to her...naivety 😇 along with rooting for her 🤞🤩
Seems this topic and especially reasons deep there can be huge revolutionary force changing society. This also seems "hangover" effect from 20-30 years economic boom.
Great job on providing an insight, Thank you so much. I am a foreigner and always wonder why my Chinese senior always says "Oh it's okay I'm not looking for a man to marry with" or something along the line with that. She even went overboard and said things like "Dating woman is also acceptable and even preferable!". Would be nice if you could dig down on this issue too.
Pre-chewing food for a kid was a funny discussion. As gross as it might seem to adults, the baby is too young to care and in fact, there is a benefit by boosting natural immunity through germ exposure along with the very practical reason of turning it into soft baby-food which they can digest more easily. The old 奶奶们 sometimes have it right (but not when it comes to dressing babies too hot, air-conditioning and cold drinks)
Eileen should interview a man, most of whats said here is from a woman's point of view. Men also need to think if its worth it for marriage, since there are many issues that rise up, just like from a womens point of view if its worth it.
Define suitable Partner! Here in the west the financial expectations are so high. There is a very small percentage of men can accommodate these unreasonable demands
Marrying an older Chinese lady would great, they are beautiful and would be more mature and hopefully more open minded to new things in life. I would give it a go, but I dislike date sites to many scammers on them.
I think we need to understand the first and principal reason why nature needed to create a man and woman and why there are physical and related mental dissimilarities, although we are the same species. As we are living more and more from the cerebral cortex only, so our thoughts are not completely grounded in the wholeness of nature. Before a woman starts looking for spirituality in a man she should start looking for spirituality in herself and understand why the creation needed to create men and women and should there be roles that would therefore be given to the specific genders based upon the source of creation; Why didn't the universal force create human beings or other species as unigender e.g. amoeba? what is the need to have men and women separately? It's true that social media has brought a lot of information to the surface, but this is information without roots. I personally feel that this uprooted information is causing chaos that is tending to grow into a knot that probably will need to have to be cut, like operations and we will then have to return to the roots.
Just found this argument has major flaw . When discussing marriage they talk about psychological needs but in the case of non marriage they just discuss the material things , what about psychological needs then no emotional exchange , growing old , parents dying and no kids literally no one’s there
Many many thanks, because it represents, as usual, a tremendous amount of work. It's very interesting to get to know your opinions about this. You're actually the only online chinese teacher i know about who really attempts to go more thoroughly into that kind of societal topics and provide us deeper insights. I really really appreciate that. I'd like to make a suggestion though, because I don't think this could be qualified as intermediate chinese level... As far as i can tell, you guys speak with a high pace, providing a lot of details, using a somehow rich and developped vocabulary. Maybe you could figure out a way to divide the interview betweeen intermediate and advanced chinese ; for instance you could begin with intermediate level then raise up progressively the level of difficulty.
If only one generation decided to not have kids anymore, the family, the city, the country, the continent, the world, the civilization would end just like that.
I have some friends who have a wife from a very rich family, who owns a shopping mall, a hotel... He has to listen to his wife and her family, for fear being kicked out of wealthy lifestyle😂😂😂😂
It seems that no one considers entering into a marriage on the basis that each partner will work and income and expenses pooled. It's a great way of life and means that each partner can enjoy a far better lifestyle than would be possible it each of them were single.
Waiting for the knight in shining armor or Prince Charming is a delusional trap that many women find themselves. They aren’t willing to settle for less and if they do, they’re often quick to divorce because even if they figure out the perfect guy doesn’t exist, they’re still subconsciously thinking they deserve better. In addition, guys need to step it up and be their best selves. It takes a foundation of unrelenting hard work, patience, communication and despite each other’s character flaws: unconditional love. Good luck.
I think nowadays men need to learn a reality that many women have high earnings. They need equal treatment, or respect, especially when her earnings are more than the men. In the ancient past men go to war, in distant past men went to work, women had low education and stay at home. But it's different now
What was the reason “Female Homosexuality “ topic has not been addressed at all despite the fact that the lesbian population in China is on the rise ? It seems that it is still a taboo subject for many people even though the estimated LGTB population in the country may be nearing 90 millions ? In fact, the majority of women get more satisfaction emotionally and sexually between themselves for the reasons we all are aware of: misogynistic traditions of the Chinese society coupled with selfishness and a self-centered mentality of 90% of Chinese men. Given the fact that the live-streaming phenomenon among lesbians is thriving in the country and that the various lesbian communities (PPLs, TPls , TTLs etc…) are becoming more and more vocal, visible and influential. Big cities such as ChengDu, Chongqing, Shanghai, Beijing, Hangzhou, Shenzhen etc… have a large lesbian population especially in ChengDu, nicknamed as the LaLa City of China or (姬都), where only the chopsticks are straight ! 😉😁🤣 The Chinese show biz industry is populated with lesbian and bisexual actresses and female singers, the SNH48 all-female entertainment company and its 4 other regional branches are also notorious for their lesbian-themed entertainment as well as for their members’ open female-oriented relationships.
From my point of view as a Western man, this guest's views seem rather naive to me. For example she says men have a responsibility to support the woman emotionally, listen to her problems, to which I'd say, well, yes and no. The man needs to care about her wellbeing. But to expect a man to respond emotionally the same way a women would respond isn't very realistic and won't be helpful in the long run. Men should be strong, for their own sake and for everyone's sake. Feeding the baby with pre-chewed food doesn't strike me as nearly as harmful as giving them soft drinks; even juice because it's concentrated sugar isn't that healthy. And then probably it's the parents who are giving the baby the iPad, which is VERY unhealthy for brain development.
I think that this trend has two outcomes: either technology will be so advanced so there will be no need in youth working force and creativity, and the society will be self-sufficient. Or the governments will somehow force the people to have children. For example by restricting all the goods and services only to married couples with children, contrary to what Sharon said. Otherwise economies will collapse. Will see. 谢谢你的视频！
why does no one ever ask Chinese men for why?which country men support bride price, car, house, and hand over their wage to wife like Chinese men do?India?
Thanks for the new video to remind me that I have forgotten to continue practicing listening to Chinese since my conversation partner had died from cancer last year. I hope I can meet a new woman fo teach me Chinese that I would travel across the Pacific Ocean to meet. No marriage is needed, my China Visa doesnt expire until 2029.
Why does your Chinese speaking partner have to be female? You mean you cannot learn Chinese from a native speaking Chinese male? Is your motivation actually to date a Chinese woman and really you don’t care about learning the language?
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I was very impressed by the lesbian episode, but I couldn't get past the first 10 minutes of this extremely sexist and misandrist episode, claiming that men are often either gross or tyrannical - and thus responsible for women's choices. The irony of anti-male sexism is that it obliviously embraces the female hypo-agency and male hyper-agency that it purports to oppose. Women not doing something? Men's fault. Men not doing something? men's fault. Further, the fact that such messages are received normally or even enthusiastically, undermines the truth of them as a preponderance of such men would create too hostile an environment to say it in without massive backlash. There is no account here of female patterns of power, controlling misbehavior or responsibility (only the male form). Nor do we hear of the many social pressures (just as often from women) and forms of violence or deprivation men face that women often don't. The admirable and moving compassion for women and gays in the episode on lesbianism is nowhere to be found here.
don't blame and curse man because you can't get partner, that's evil. you channel must be garbage especially to chinese and asian man viewers.
don't blame and curse man because you can't get partner, that's evil. you channel must be garbage especially to chinese and asian man viewers.
I truly believe marriage can be wonderful, but it requires a lot of communication and effort. However, living with the husband's family is another big obstacle for a young couple to add to an already difficult situation. The key to a good marriage is listening to each other and being able to make concessions. Thank you!
the girl in the video(not the host) is missing the fact that in modern family, its the women who are arrogant and controlling. hence the famous phrase "women are never wrong".
Then move in together? Adults don't need to live with parents 😂
True marriage is a beautiful thing but the first year is the harder and the sweeter ,you just trying to balance and adapt to each other's lifestyle,learning to accept the bad and the good but still enjoying the feeling of ur heart flattering , but living with your in law just make things harder and uncomfortable
After spending yesrs in a bad marriage, i can say growing old alone is better than growing old with someone that treats you poorly snd being unhappy. Theres a difference between "alone" and "lonely". I feel like a person with a fulfilling life may be alone, but not likely lonely.
@FinanceSimp , you're being insensitive. People can change over time so every prince can become a thug and vice versa.
Don’t judge by the book cover because everyone not the same & we shouldn’t judge everyone because of one bad apple. Always reassuring oneself before approaching or tie-knot; get to know one other first perhaps for 1-3 months & if the person genuinely good for u then don’t waste time & propose to them. Lots of people online refuge to go further without any knowledge or understanding of that person just judging by their pic that’s all & never want to meet face to face
Perhaps life is try and error.
This video is excellent for my Mandarin, and it also my deepens my understanding of a rather complicated socio-cultural phenomenon that pertains to the China of today. Great stuff, Mandarin Corner.
Eileen, these videos are fantastic! Your channel is definitely my favorite when it comes to learning Mandarin. Your hard work, creativity and perseverance always shines through!!
Please, keep up with these uploads, they are great! Thank you so much!
*List of Topics Discussed*
1. How drastically has the Chinese marriage rate changed?
2. Four main reasons Chinese girls don't want to get married
3. Chinese girls’ thoughts on growing old alone
4. The impact this phenomenon has on Chinese birthrate and economy
5. Why are Chinese girls are buying sex toys
6. How will Chinese society look like if people don’t marry?
7. AI and Robots: can it prevent single Chinese girls from feeling lonely?
Can you make a video on why Chinese boys are not getting married too. Because marriage is not just done by girls. I heard many Chinese boys are not getting married because of the high expectations of the society from men. Like needing to provide house, money and have a very good job. And be very good looking, tall and rich.
@@Human-hx8ypEven if the men meet all those criteria, the women will try to get rid of them once the men have already passed on their tallness, intelligence, and good looks to their kids. Even if the man does both the traditional mom and dad roles and allows the woman to spend all of her money on herself. The goalposts keep moving back.
@@SO-jp6gh Yes, bad women are like that. They are a big problem for the entire society. But I believe there are still a lot of good women who are not like those bad women. I have seen many very humble and innocent women who are very traditional and respectful. They truly love and care about their husbands a lot. They do jobs and supports her husband with expenses while also taking care of children and doing household chores. So humanity still has hope.
Sharon is very intelligent person with very interesting perspective. Hope Eileen will interview her again with different topic.
Here is another podcast we did with her: ua-cam.com/video/QXJ2k5lwCss/v-deo.html
Also, this one: ua-cam.com/video/xTXB3jxsWSQ/v-deo.html
@@MandarinCorner2 谢谢老师。可是我也已经看过了。
Agree a very erudite person with her finger on the pulse of what is going on. Even though I am much older I agree with all of her points including on AI. She clearly keeps up with everything
Sharon说得那么清楚，听得懂得很容易，真感谢你们的工作❤
真的啊！好清楚的！太好听了，觉得在听音乐的。这个视频也很有意思
@@axeskill我很同意．而且，你的中文说得太好了！我希望我的中文水平迟早也能提高
Thank you so much for the wonderful content..Eileen 老师is as good as always❤感谢您
Hi
Eileen, you are such a hardworking person and have come such a long way and deserve much more success in life. Keep it up and proud of you!❤
Your annotations and editing throughout the video is excellent and extremely valuable, as usual! 非常感谢！我一直很期待你新一集的博客节目。
我来自爱尔兰，正在努力学习中文。感谢您提供的这些视频。
我认为您是一位可爱的 Eileen
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I find it interesting that it seems like no matter the culture, better education and better jobs/income decrease marriage and birth rates for women. Like all of these issues that are being discussed were and are replicated here in America as well, just a few decades earlier.
Women definitely still feel stretched, having to be "super moms", women who work and also clean and cook and take care of the kids and husband, all while being independent and taking care of themselves to look attractive to society... It's just so much to ask from one human being.
Men like my self need to try harder to step up, despite the pressures we also feel in life. Great buoke (podcast)!
That second part isn't asked of them, this first was spouting typical feminist nonsense
播客 is just bo, not buo.
@@JBfan88 I never learned pingyin and that is what it sounded like. Thanks for the correction.
It is and has been too much to ask for! Stepping up is appreciated 👏
and what is it that women need to do? As women not being able to find a partner is not solely the responsibility of men..
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Thanks a lot dear all , very interresting and well pronouced , inspiring . ☀
Hi Eileen! Thank you so much for all the hard work that you put into your videos. I just now found your channel and it's an absolute gold mine of listening practice content. I find it intriguing that nowadays, this issue isn't subjective to Chinese women, but for almost every racial/national demographic of women. I also have a feeling that in the coming years, we might see a rise of people marrying in their late 30's or early 40's, interracial marriages (because many people are finding it difficult to find a suitable partner in their country), or single elderly people. That's just my two cents. Great video btw!
Wow, what a fascinating discussion. It's like first, second, and third wave feminism all hit over about 15 years. Thank you for being so frank and open. It's wonderful to hear young women's voices from China.
one of the best videos. very enriching and I did appreciate the authenticity and straightforwardness of you two. I am not really into IA as far as i ma concerned anfd quite agree with you Eilen about the very nature of face to face dealings and exchanges. Keep it up
谢谢你们的播客节目，真有意思，我是俄罗斯人，但是所讨论的问题却是在俄罗斯社会当中也存在着。全世界的人都面临这样的情况😂
我也是俄罗斯人。在我们国家这种趋势其实还是不太严重，很多女性还想生养孩子。但是在俄罗斯生养孩子比中国更容易，因为我们社会不太攀比的。
Hi
Marriage is based on trustworthy, caring, loving 🥰 helping one other in needs not materialistic ❤❤❤
Eileen老师越来越美
your videos are always interesting，我一直期待，加油 💛
As Italian I have to admit that Chinese is badass language, a true challenge for who likes Asian languages🙂
Hi, Eileen! Thank you so much for the amazing content you put out, I've been following you for 4 years and this is definitely my favorite Chinese-language channel on UA-cam.
Also, it'd be amazing if you could add soft-coded subtitles to the videos, it would help us people trying to sentence-mine so much! It's really hard and time-consuming to do it without them. Thanks again for your amazing work and keep it up! ❤😊
8:10 I think this is a misconception. While women are young, they can live and work comfortably for themselves, but after the age of 40-50 years, 99% of them admit that not starting a family on time was the biggest mistake in their life. It’s stupid to promote life for single women. Women and men are created to live in a family, and not alone. you just need to learn to coexist correctly and mutually beneficially.
10:10 in this case, saying “marriage is not necessary” would be a mistake. It would be correct to say “you need to approach marriage with a person carefully, in order to choose the right person", and not the one with whom you will break up after a few years, on your or his initiative. It is not necessary to marry immediately after coming of age, but you must definitely prepare for the right marriage with the right person, even if it will be 10-20 years in the future.
36:15 Example of all countries in the world shows that government only cares about single people as long as they remain able to work. After aging and/or loss of able to work, no one needs them anymore, and no one wants to allocate resources to them. Neither for man nor for woman. Do not create optimistic illusions, world is very practical and ruthless, and will always be so.
37:48 if the person is rich - yes. But if a person is poor or of average income, who and why will give him such an expensive and complex device as an "android assistant"? And its maintenance will also cost money, where to get it from? From pension? How many? Or will the state pay for it? What category of citizens?
There are too many questions, and anything with too many questions - is unreliable. And I wouldn’t want my old parents to depend on something unreliable.
Otherwise, I was very interested in listening your discussion. There are things on which I completely agree with you. But there are things that raise too many questions and seem more like dreams, than something promising or real.
Yeah I think it’s really important to think wholistically over the entire lifetime which is hard to do.. these attitudes are driven by an assumption that people are emotionally okay and physically okay being alone their entire life.. that assumption is flawed
@@cristina8868 Yes you guessed it, I have never seen or heard this. I don’t know in what region of the world and what category of people, in old age, live as you described. I judge by myself, by my surroundings, by my friends who live in Eastern Europe, Ireland, Canada, East Asia, and their experiences. Despite the good quality of life, everything is always stressful, you have to work hard and constantly save, and this does not improve even when you approach retirement age, plus physical weakness and chronic illnesses add to this. I don’t know what cases of happy, lonely old age you are talking about, but I would really like to know about these 0.1% of cases.
@@ТарасМакаренко-ф3шIts ok. There will be plenty of women for very few men to be happy with 😂
Thank you Eileen. Not only do you know to ask great questions, you’re great at answering and providing commentary too. Frankly better than this guest!
Hey sister, I finished your HSK1 V3.0 a long time ago, I am waiting for your next HSK. kept going on.
你们的作品好稀罕好珍贵。吸引我兴趣的地道中文节目比较少。不仅是很专业的，而且很有意义。你们和家有儿女对我学习中文的旅程是不可或缺的。谢谢Eileen 🙏
Very interesting topic. I had no idea about that in Chinese society. Thank you.
Is it me, or does Sharon speak more formally than some people? I'm somewhere on an intermediate level (I'm Taiwanese American who spoke a tiny bit of Mandarin, but later improved some when I married a Chinese woman) but I seem to have a harder time understanding her.
This is good for me at least, because it'll definitely help me improve more. Improvement is definitely needed because I feel my Chinese has gotten stagnant because after fifteen years of marriage my wife and I basically use all the same words.
Keep it up though, Eileen! These topics are interesting and relevant and are great for intermediate speakers like myself.
I think she's just educated and quite well spoken, she talks like a lot of university educated people you'll meet in China.
Absolutely. She definitely prepared for this podcast and was occasionally referencing notes with choice phrases.
i think she’s using some more academic/journalist speech to match the tone of the subject
thought provoking stuff indeed 👏
She questioned the meaning of marriage so I'll give my answer. Marriage is indeed a way of locking yourself with someone, and that's what's beautiful about it. It's like saying "You can now tell me everything about yourself and I won't run away", and both have no choice but to actually know about each other deeply. In a casual relationship, you'll only ever see the surface level because one may be afraid to show their true self in order to avoid scaring the partner away. The point of marriage is to remove that barrier
If baby food is not available.......
Wonderfully explained.
super interesting!
I though the analysis was superficial until Eileen shared her opinion at 6:13.. complaining about men is half the problem the other must be related to women.. if they are economically self sufficient perhaps their expectations to meet a man may rise beyond what’s realistic.. on the other hand women’s changed behavior, attitudes, etc may be very unattractive to what men look for in a woman..
Can never look at a large issue like this from one side.. great content Eileen!
Not only that, but it's been showed time and time again that women are simple not attracted to men that make less money than them, or are somehow lower status.
So what she said does not hold up. When women get wealthy, they don't just accept nice comparable men, they now look at even richer men, of whom there are very few.
The whole conversation is the same feminist nonsense that has been ruining the west for 40 years already.
Prosperous marriage isn’t only based on financially but mutual trust & showing affectionate towards each other & also be there for one another during times of distress
Great video. Can you explain 对数？ Pleco and other dictionaries translate it as "logarithm" but it appears to be used as more as "calculation" or "number". Thanks
These two characters are separate words, 对 means couple, 数 means number. So together, it means, the number of (married) couples.
人数 is number of people. 对数 is number of couples. Perhaps
El matrimonio es una excelente opción para muchas personas pero no para todas. No es cierto que el "amor profundo" sólo ocurra o sólo se encuentre en una convivencia o en una monogamia.
Existen distintas formas de amar y debemos evitar alimentar esa presión social sobre una única forma o un único estándar. La felicidad tiene distintas formas en distintas épocas incluso a lo largo de la vida de una persona.
Que la mayor cantidad de personas alcance la felicidad a su manera debería ser el ideal común. Sufrir por amor es la peor opción.
Hell yes we want to be alone and love it. I am an Aunty of nearly 60 and love my life. I was married but it did not suit me. Now I have an amazing international life. I used to live in China. Now I live in Myanmar. I see young chinese women waking up and realizing it is ok to live their own lives.
这些视频很好，很帮我提高我的听力，更有甚至很有意思
interesting helpful for chinese learners indeed.
You`re doing great！keep it up!
I lived in China for many years as a native New Yorker. I learned to speak Mandarin Chinese to fluency. Therefore I was able to talk to local people about this issue. It is not an easy one to discuss because there are many pressures that women are burdened with in Chinese society, and there are many issues that Chinese men are burdened with. Because of this there can be a clash between men and woman on what they believe the marriage and family structure should look like there is still some residual old-fashioned male dominant ideas that permanent the culture and the women are pushing against it even with my in-laws, I see some of the fights that they have stem from leftover ideas from a highly male dominated culture. Also, the men have to pay a dowry which can amount to a lot of money, the men need to have a house, a car, and a good career in order to secure a decent marriage. Now these days with economic hardships, it is hard for men to have all these conditions in place before they are married.
Well said.
Everyone wishes me to find the right partner, but yes its better if they wish me to be happy in my own way😊
As a man who is creating a very advanced dating AI simulator, this conversation deeply scared me. My goal is to motivate people to learn how to speak with others properly and not be afraid of dating real person (unite people), but instead it seems like people would rather date an AI robot than a real person? Did I fucked up, did we all fucked up? Does this mean the end of love and relationships as such, does this mean the end of what it means to be a human? If Sharon truly believes we don't need men, we just need an AI, isn't this the worst possible outcome of our society? I thought that at least what will remain in 5 years will be true human touch and skinship will be valuable, but according to this video there are other ways and that is very depressing. I can't be the only one who realizes all the consequences of this.
Please, take a look on Nikola Tesla and his prediction for the future.
The life of the bee will be the life of human race.
But what do women need men for? If men treated women like human beings we wouldn't be here. I think it's great more and more women are realising they can have a better life without husbands who treat them like shit. Men are to blame for this.
i had same feelings after watching this video
Yeah I felt bad with this ideas of independence that we are losing the real love ,caring and family feeling with each other.
weird tangent about AI at the end, but i like the video! the guest has a lot of interesting insights
It's not weird at all. AI will solve many issues, including low birth rate. AI can do things like developing fetuses in artificial wombs, for example. Though there is a great issue of nations abusing it to mass produce babies/certain types of babies
Now the Chinese society shows a conflict of generations. The young generation of Chinese is more educated and that causes conflict too. 很有意思的视频和采访，你们辛苦了！❤
One of your best videos.
如果你觉得某个特定的男人或女人有问题，那么你的判断很可能是对的。但如果你对所有异性都抱有轻蔑，那么你可能需要反省自己。
I agreed.
The Success of women is not marriage.
The happiness on your own is more important.
That's very short-sighted.
If you don't marry and have children, you have literally failed at life.
Anyway, happiness comes and goes. But making a loving home and family will bring true happiness in the long-term.
Do the transcripts provided by mandarin corner separate the sentences, as shown in the subtitles ?
Yes
Spoiler: They still do want to get married. They just can't find a partner that meets their standards, and then when they're 35 and "career focused" and barren, they can't figure out why no successful guy who meets their criteria wants to date them
I can understand but I don't share her opinion to not having children and not getting married.
I try to remain optimistic even after all the Ls. However, for the consequences of a aging society, she's desillusional, in my opinion :
No state will "fund" a zero baby policy, welfare will remain for couples. Single people will be always the more taxed.
Retirement insurance is a disillusion, save and live frugally when you are old. Same situation as old people nowadays (insurance companies are selling a product, don't be fool).
No one will take care of you... Do you think that other people's children are going. to take care of you ? Not for. very good pay especially when the labor force is rare... Or maybe immigration...
To conclude : don't be influence by other opinions especially if they want to sell you something.
Life is really not easy but stay optimistic, with a bit of luck you will find someone (maybe marriage, having kids) and do some concessions, it's going to be okay😉
Great topic, it's not personal, I know there are limits to what be said but they make it sound like in China you do what you feel like doing. I think the society, parents and the government have lots of creative ways to pressure people before they get overwhelmed with too much choice and personal freedom
Is there a link yo the article Sharon cited in the beginning? My Chinese speaking friends are asking me to back up my claims with evidence. 😊
Sharon is very likable and brilliant imho. She's not necessarily right in her predictions but she makes a decent case)) I can't help but feel a bit envious to her...naivety 😇 along with rooting for her 🤞🤩
Seems this topic and especially reasons deep there can be huge revolutionary force changing society. This also seems "hangover" effect from 20-30 years economic boom.
Why not do everything together? Collect money to buy a house a car and later divide housework? That seems fair.
Thank you for this cideo
Great job on providing an insight, Thank you so much. I am a foreigner and always wonder why my Chinese senior always says "Oh it's okay I'm not looking for a man to marry with" or something along the line with that. She even went overboard and said things like "Dating woman is also acceptable and even preferable!". Would be nice if you could dig down on this issue too.
とても知的で有意義な意見交換ですね。お二人が話していることは華人世界に留まらず、私が住む日本、更には世界全体に共通する現象だと思いました。全球的に共有する潮流に関する深い思索のやり取りを、また動画で聞かせてください。ありがとうございました。
The talking robot in your nursing home will be feeding you in the old mother way lol.
I think they’re planning all this bullshit just to run from the responsibility 😂
Pre-chewing food for a kid was a funny discussion. As gross as it might seem to adults, the baby is too young to care and in fact, there is a benefit by boosting natural immunity through germ exposure along with the very practical reason of turning it into soft baby-food which they can digest more easily. The old 奶奶们 sometimes have it right (but not when it comes to dressing babies too hot, air-conditioning and cold drinks)
I screamed of laughter seeing the reaction of the younger person not knowing she was raised the same way😊😂❤!
It all lacks one thing. Love.😢
And there will not be anyone to visit you when you are old. You are a natures failure. A meaningsless life.
这个关于自梳女的纪录片名字是什么？
Eileen should interview a man, most of whats said here is from a woman's point of view. Men also need to think if its worth it for marriage, since there are many issues that rise up, just like from a womens point of view if its worth it.
I think there is no male in the world who wanted to get married ever
nice video
挺有意思的！哪儿都有这个情况。
Watch this video *WITHOUT* English subtitles:
mandarincorner.org/videos-by-student-level-and-subjects/#ingles_no_ingles
Adding the word "some" to Chinese girls will be very accurate to your statement
Can you also do a video on why Chinese men don't want to get married anymore?
Define suitable Partner! Here in the west the financial expectations are so high. There is a very small percentage of men can accommodate these unreasonable demands
I like the girl in black, her thinking is very up to date 😮
I'm surprised this is called intermediate, it seems advanced (for those already fluent).
Marrying an older Chinese lady would great, they are beautiful and would be more mature and hopefully more open minded to new things in life.
I would give it a go, but I dislike date sites to many scammers on them.
I think we need to understand the first and principal reason why nature needed to create a man and woman and why there are physical and related mental dissimilarities, although we are the same species. As we are living more and more from the cerebral cortex only, so our thoughts are not completely grounded in the wholeness of nature. Before a woman starts looking for spirituality in a man she should start looking for spirituality in herself and understand why the creation needed to create men and women and should there be roles that would therefore be given to the specific genders based upon the source of creation; Why didn't the universal force create human beings or other species as unigender e.g. amoeba? what is the need to have men and women separately? It's true that social media has brought a lot of information to the surface, but this is information without roots. I personally feel that this uprooted information is causing chaos that is tending to grow into a knot that probably will need to have to be cut, like operations and we will then have to return to the roots.
Just found this argument has major flaw . When discussing marriage they talk about psychological needs but in the case of non marriage they just discuss the material things , what about psychological needs then no emotional exchange , growing old , parents dying and no kids literally no one’s there
Find the flaws in your comment 😊😂😅❤ I'll do it!
Many many thanks, because it represents, as usual, a tremendous amount of work. It's very interesting to get to know your opinions about this. You're actually the only online chinese teacher i know about who really attempts to go more thoroughly into that kind of societal topics and provide us deeper insights. I really really appreciate that. I'd like to make a suggestion though, because I don't think this could be qualified as intermediate chinese level... As far as i can tell, you guys speak with a high pace, providing a lot of details, using a somehow rich and developped vocabulary. Maybe you could figure out a way to divide the interview betweeen intermediate and advanced chinese ; for instance you could begin with intermediate level then raise up progressively the level of difficulty.
If only one generation decided to not have kids anymore, the family, the city, the country, the continent, the world, the civilization would end just like that.
I have some friends who have a wife from a very rich family, who owns a shopping mall, a hotel... He has to listen to his wife and her family, for fear being kicked out of wealthy lifestyle😂😂😂😂
It seems that no one considers entering into a marriage on the basis that each partner will work and income and expenses pooled.
It's a great way of life and means that each partner can enjoy a far better lifestyle than would be possible it each of them were single.
Waiting for the knight in shining armor or Prince Charming is a delusional trap that many women find themselves. They aren’t willing to settle for less and if they do, they’re often quick to divorce because even if they figure out the perfect guy doesn’t exist, they’re still subconsciously thinking they deserve better. In addition, guys need to step it up and be their best selves. It takes a foundation of unrelenting hard work, patience, communication and despite each other’s character flaws: unconditional love. Good luck.
百份之百我同意 😂
What will she do if the electricity shuts down for a week?
generator, solar, inductor. we have everything in Myanmar a country with blackouts every day. China made for us. No problems.
I think nowadays men need to learn a reality that many women have high earnings. They need equal treatment, or respect, especially when her earnings are more than the men. In the ancient past men go to war, in distant past men went to work, women had low education and stay at home. But it's different now
What was the reason “Female Homosexuality “ topic has not been addressed at all despite the fact that the lesbian population in China is on the rise ? It seems that it is still a taboo subject for many people even though the estimated LGTB population in the country may be nearing 90 millions ? In fact, the majority of women get more satisfaction emotionally and sexually between themselves for the reasons we all are aware of: misogynistic traditions of the Chinese society coupled with selfishness and a self-centered mentality of 90% of Chinese men.
Given the fact that the live-streaming phenomenon among lesbians is thriving in the country and that the various lesbian communities (PPLs, TPls , TTLs etc…) are becoming more and more vocal, visible and influential. Big cities such as ChengDu, Chongqing, Shanghai, Beijing, Hangzhou, Shenzhen etc… have a large lesbian population especially in ChengDu, nicknamed as the LaLa City of China or (姬都), where only the chopsticks are straight ! 😉😁🤣
The Chinese show biz industry is populated with lesbian and bisexual actresses and female singers, the SNH48 all-female entertainment company and its 4 other regional branches are also notorious for their lesbian-themed entertainment as well as for their members’ open female-oriented relationships.
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I really hate marriage 😑
Married life is hell.
From my point of view as a Western man, this guest's views seem rather naive to me. For example she says men have a responsibility to support the woman emotionally, listen to her problems, to which I'd say, well, yes and no. The man needs to care about her wellbeing. But to expect a man to respond emotionally the same way a women would respond isn't very realistic and won't be helpful in the long run. Men should be strong, for their own sake and for everyone's sake.
Feeding the baby with pre-chewed food doesn't strike me as nearly as harmful as giving them soft drinks; even juice because it's concentrated sugar isn't that healthy. And then probably it's the parents who are giving the baby the iPad, which is VERY unhealthy for brain development.
I think that this trend has two outcomes: either technology will be so advanced so there will be no need in youth working force and creativity, and the society will be self-sufficient. Or the governments will somehow force the people to have children. For example by restricting all the goods and services only to married couples with children, contrary to what Sharon said. Otherwise economies will collapse. Will see.
谢谢你的视频！
Getting married is like buying a time share, seems like a good idea until you finalize the transaction.
Getting married is a blessing. Some people dream of it. Some people want to carry on the family legacy. Society has made marriage a bad idea.
I know why!!!!! Because everyone is BROKE 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Its more that most of them are hypergamous and failed to be a real strong independent woman that can truly pamper and take care of their man..😂
why does no one ever ask Chinese men for why?which country men support bride price, car, house, and hand over their wage to wife like Chinese men do?India?
I think there is no male in the world who wanted to get married ever
18:15 难道这是个很天然的方法吗，帮助增强免疫力？把那个视为奇怪可能是现代人无知的毛病吧。
I thought so too.
以前，女性必须低头，听从丈夫和家人的命令。 但现在女人很独立，不需要男人的钱。 因此，她们选择寻找一个爱她们、尊重她们的男人，这点非常难，因为目前中国社会性别歧视仍然很严重，如果找不到好男人，她们宁愿单身。 另一方面，对于男人来说，有钱已经不再是优势。 我敢说，中国是一个伟大而强大的国家，得益于女性，但女性的努力仍然被忽视。
我个人觉得因为女人的要求条件过高，所以很难找到适合的伴侣。
Thanks for the new video to remind me that I have forgotten to continue practicing listening to Chinese since my conversation partner had died from cancer last year.
I hope I can meet a new woman fo teach me Chinese that I would travel across the Pacific Ocean to meet. No marriage is needed, my China Visa doesnt expire until 2029.
Why does your Chinese speaking partner have to be female? You mean you cannot learn Chinese from a native speaking Chinese male? Is your motivation actually to date a Chinese woman and really you don’t care about learning the language?
Not enough rich guys ready to get married and not have mistresses on the side
我觉得你这个嘉宾说话可能比一般的嘉宾难一点，是不是她用了一些书面语，或者比较少用的成语？
No it's not easy to find, women are so complicated.