Rewatched "The Rock" yesterday, having not seen it since I was a teenager and I have to admit that as much as I dislike Bay's other movies, "The Rock" is actually good, largely because it has a decent story. Bruckheimer talks on the Criterion DVD (I think it's hilarious that this movie even has a Criterion) how Aaron Sorkin wrote much of the Ed Harris and Nic Cage stuff, and how Jonathan Hensleigh (writer of "Jumanji" and "Die Hard with a Vengeance") wrote much of Connery's stuff. Bruckheimer doesn't mention what Tarantino contributed, and I couldn't find that out anywhere else, either... that scene where the kid tells Cage he f'ed up his Farari sounds like something he'd write, but I'm not sure, maybe it was Sorkin lol. Jonathan Hensleigh was actually really mad that the WGA refused to give him credit for his shooting script, and he complains about that in his interview with The Dialogue on UA-cam.
Yeah, Sorkin was angry too that he didn't get a credit. I am a complete outsider to Hollywood politics but from what I have heard the WGA is completely inept when it comes to credit arbitration and it is only going to get worse now that many screenplays are getting written by a committee of writers. And then there are controversies like "Pulp Fiction" which was co written by Roger Avary ua-cam.com/video/dkA3AoD-0oQ/v-deo.html; but he did not get a screenplay credit at the beginning of the film because Tarantino wanted the title "A film by Quintin Tarantino". David Fincher has talked about how the screenwriter of "Se7en" Andrew Kevin Walker did rewrites for "Fight Club" but the WGA did not allow him to get a credit. So Fincher renamed three characters in the script Detectives Andrew, Kevin, and Walker to get back at the WGA ua-cam.com/video/-dEbueX0GtA/v-deo.html.
As always great movie analysis. Crimson Tide is one of my favorites, it lies in that category of great action films (lot of tense), thanks for post, again.
Bravo, once again. It feels good to once again contemplate the meaning behind films, and the hows and whys. I used to be involved with people interested in film making, but the people I'm surrounded by now don't share the same interest. Thanks for bringing that back to me. I've often wondered how much of what I learn about films is studied and planned, and how much is just a happy accident and raved about later as thought it were the mark of a genius?
Great video dude. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on Bay's recent film "13 Hours." That was one of the first action films in a really long time where I felt he'd shown more of the restraint and patience/willingness to give time to characters that you're describing here. Also loved your inclusion of the prom queen line and the hackman/washington dinner table scene.
It's obviously not of the highest quality action fare like the two you discussed here, but it was much more respectable than anything else Bay has put out within the past decade. I can also confirm that Krasinski was really good in it.
I came across crimson Tide in 2007 & after the film had finished it became very clear to me i was back in the real world & had just been totally taken in by this film._.._.._. Wow Sean i have been tracking Hans Zimmers work from Interstellar & now you pointed his work out in this film & the directors last film True Romance & actors peaking this all makes sense as to why this is a great film. Thanks.._.
I think after Armageddon Bay went apeshit - that was his last work with some notion of balance. While The Rock is far from perfect it is one of his finest work in a sense of substance. I personally like Armageddon more due to the scale and build up, so much fun to be had with all the references - talk about the Wrong Stuff... it goes to shit once we actually are on asteroid though. Crimson Tide is a gem. Tony's work was checkered with hit and miss, but this one is on target. Even with all the rha-rha-USA tone it's a compelling and involving story.
Thats a tough one. Off the top of my head Daylight (1996) should get more respect, I was watching it on cable recently and it has aged quite well. The effects are great but what is really impressive is the supporting cast. Other than Viggo Mortensen most of the cast were just working character actors; but you can tell that they are acting their asses off and they really elevate the film. I wish the Academy Awards had a Best Ensemble Cast award like the SAG awards because your supporting cast is just as important in making a good movie as the stars. Other films that come to mind are Stir of Echoes (1999) which is one of the best "flipping through the channels and nothings on" movies ever; once you land on it you watch it all the way through. I saw the Red Letter Media's "Review" of Return of the Living Dead (1985) and decided to get a copy and was totally blown away by it. There is plenty of dark humor in it but what makes it great is that it encapsulated 1980's punk rock nihilism so well. It felt like Dr. Strangelove where the filmmakers are almost daring the authorities to start dropping nukes just to get the apocalypse over with. And I think there might have been a holocaust commentary in the film because the mortician character is named after an SS officer and he starts the zombie plague by cremating one of the corpses. 2010: The Year We Make Contact (1984) is underrated, I honestly think I have watched 2010 more times than 2001. Escape From L.A. (1996) plot wise is basically a remake of Escape From New York (1981) and has terrible effects but I watched it recently and damn you can really notice some parallels to todays political climate. Hell Cliff Robertson looks like a skinny version of Trump right down to the bad rug on his head. If you just watch the first ten minutes and the last ten minutes its great, everything in-between is forgettable. The only other film I can think of right now is Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles The Movie (1990); that film has no business being as good as it is.
Thanks Sean. Always enjoy your stuff. No explanation is really necessary. This video sort of spoke to what I've been thinking for quite a while now. I could also draw parallels to music. It's as if all the good stuff has been written and now we are subject to stuff lacking substance, story or melody.
Enemy Of The State and Con Air were also solid Bruckheimer flicks in the 90s
Agree.The 90s were owned by don simpson and jerry bruckheimer and even the early2000s
Crimson Tide is my third favorite submarine film behind Das Boot and Red october
Good content. Low energy.
5/10
the dinner scene in Crimson Tide was truelly a good way to develop characters
As Homer in Simpsons Tide said people wants peas and best method to reach peas is knife :) Very philosophically deep.
I think they are very different movies. But in the same way, they are soo similar. Almost the same excellent soundtruck
Love the Props for Crimson Tide. My opinion Denzel's 2nd Best performance (Next to Training Day)
please keep doing more of these Vids
Thanks Myron.
Rewatched "The Rock" yesterday, having not seen it since I was a teenager and I have to admit that as much as I dislike Bay's other movies, "The Rock" is actually good, largely because it has a decent story. Bruckheimer talks on the Criterion DVD (I think it's hilarious that this movie even has a Criterion) how Aaron Sorkin wrote much of the Ed Harris and Nic Cage stuff, and how Jonathan Hensleigh (writer of "Jumanji" and "Die Hard with a Vengeance") wrote much of Connery's stuff. Bruckheimer doesn't mention what Tarantino contributed, and I couldn't find that out anywhere else, either... that scene where the kid tells Cage he f'ed up his Farari sounds like something he'd write, but I'm not sure, maybe it was Sorkin lol. Jonathan Hensleigh was actually really mad that the WGA refused to give him credit for his shooting script, and he complains about that in his interview with The Dialogue on UA-cam.
Yeah, Sorkin was angry too that he didn't get a credit. I am a complete outsider to Hollywood politics but from what I have heard the WGA is completely inept when it comes to credit arbitration and it is only going to get worse now that many screenplays are getting written by a committee of writers. And then there are controversies like "Pulp Fiction" which was co written by Roger Avary ua-cam.com/video/dkA3AoD-0oQ/v-deo.html; but he did not get a screenplay credit at the beginning of the film because Tarantino wanted the title "A film by Quintin Tarantino". David Fincher has talked about how the screenwriter of "Se7en" Andrew Kevin Walker did rewrites for "Fight Club" but the WGA did not allow him to get a credit. So Fincher renamed three characters in the script Detectives Andrew, Kevin, and Walker to get back at the WGA ua-cam.com/video/-dEbueX0GtA/v-deo.html.
As always great movie analysis. Crimson Tide is one of my favorites, it lies in that category of great action films (lot of tense), thanks for post, again.
You're welcome.
Great video
Glad to see you upload again.
The Rock is far from perfect, but it's just such a fun movie it's hard to dislike.
Thanks Daniel.
More or less. It's no masterpiece but is incredibly fun anyway. Same with James Cameron's True Lies.
Bravo, once again. It feels good to once again contemplate the meaning behind films, and the hows and whys. I used to be involved with people interested in film making, but the people I'm surrounded by now don't share the same interest. Thanks for bringing that back to me.
I've often wondered how much of what I learn about films is studied and planned, and how much is just a happy accident and raved about later as thought it were the mark of a genius?
Great video dude. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on Bay's recent film "13 Hours." That was one of the first action films in a really long time where I felt he'd shown more of the restraint and patience/willingness to give time to characters that you're describing here. Also loved your inclusion of the prom queen line and the hackman/washington dinner table scene.
I honestly haven't seen 13 hours yet; but I heard that John Krasinski was pretty good in it.
It's obviously not of the highest quality action fare like the two you discussed here, but it was much more respectable than anything else Bay has put out within the past decade. I can also confirm that Krasinski was really good in it.
08:38; didn't Jonathan Hensleigh contribute as well?
How could Gene Hackman not win an Academy awards for Crimson Tide?
Always great vids
Thanks Austin.
It doesn't seem to work on my UA-cam app (old version)
NAVY fuking hated Crimson Tide though
04:58; proposed to his partner this week.
I came across crimson Tide in 2007 & after the film had finished it became very clear to me i was back in the real world & had just been totally taken in by this film._.._.._. Wow Sean i have been tracking Hans Zimmers work from Interstellar & now you pointed his work out in this film & the directors last film True Romance & actors peaking this all makes sense as to why this is a great film. Thanks.._.
You're welcome.
I think after Armageddon Bay went apeshit - that was his last work with some notion of balance. While The Rock is far from perfect it is one of his finest work in a sense of substance. I personally like Armageddon more due to the scale and build up, so much fun to be had with all the references - talk about the Wrong Stuff... it goes to shit once we actually are on asteroid though.
Crimson Tide is a gem. Tony's work was checkered with hit and miss, but this one is on target. Even with all the rha-rha-USA tone it's a compelling and involving story.
I agree.
Can you do Alien and Aliens?
True Romance and Natural Born Killers ?
Well here is one of them ua-cam.com/video/koZMSLkakD4/v-deo.html
Great analysis.
Thanks.
Your welcome. ;)
What do you think is the most underrated film?
Thats a tough one. Off the top of my head Daylight (1996) should get more respect, I was watching it on cable recently and it has aged quite well. The effects are great but what is really impressive is the supporting cast. Other than Viggo Mortensen most of the cast were just working character actors; but you can tell that they are acting their asses off and they really elevate the film. I wish the Academy Awards had a Best Ensemble Cast award like the SAG awards because your supporting cast is just as important in making a good movie as the stars. Other films that come to mind are Stir of Echoes (1999) which is one of the best "flipping through the channels and nothings on" movies ever; once you land on it you watch it all the way through. I saw the Red Letter Media's "Review" of Return of the Living Dead (1985) and decided to get a copy and was totally blown away by it. There is plenty of dark humor in it but what makes it great is that it encapsulated 1980's punk rock nihilism so well. It felt like Dr. Strangelove where the filmmakers are almost daring the authorities to start dropping nukes just to get the apocalypse over with. And I think there might have been a holocaust commentary in the film because the mortician character is named after an SS officer and he starts the zombie plague by cremating one of the corpses. 2010: The Year We Make Contact (1984) is underrated, I honestly think I have watched 2010 more times than 2001. Escape From L.A. (1996) plot wise is basically a remake of Escape From New York (1981) and has terrible effects but I watched it recently and damn you can really notice some parallels to todays political climate. Hell Cliff Robertson looks like a skinny version of Trump right down to the bad rug on his head. If you just watch the first ten minutes and the last ten minutes its great, everything in-between is forgettable. The only other film I can think of right now is Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles The Movie (1990); that film has no business being as good as it is.
The interstellar score is a masterpiece.
Thanks Sean. Always enjoy your stuff. No explanation is really necessary.
This video sort of spoke to what I've been thinking for quite a while now. I could also draw parallels to music. It's as if all the good stuff has been written and now we are subject to stuff lacking substance, story or melody.
ua-cam.com/video/E6WAGn76eAc/v-deo.html
correct!
This is a great video and parallels with the state of our times.
Thanks.
Did you ever think of making a top 10/20 favorite movies list?
Very enjoyable analysis Sean.
Thanks Chris.
Good stuff as always Sean.
Thanks.
Great stuff.
Thanks Scott.
Come back!
Thanks; but the fun of making videos started to dry out and I needed alot more subscribers to make a living on them.
@@SeaTac411 fair enough, I'll still be enjoying your 90s movie reviews.
_The Rock_ is one of my all time favorite films! Thanks you.
You're welcome.
This was delightful. Thank you for making it.
Thanks cammameil.