Ron, I have worked on most Lionel steamers and diesels from 46 to about 59 but never got into a GG 1. After watching your video I bought 2332. Your video made the restoration a breeze. Thanks for this video and all your others. I always learn something from each one.
I have a Lionel 2332 in my own collection and it is one of my favorite pieces. I picked it up over the Thanksgiving holiday many years ago when I was visiting my parents at the same time as my grandparents (both came in from out of state). My grandpa has always been a Lionel guy and a train guy in general. He always put up a big layout around his Christmas tree and over the years the tree got smaller to make room for more trains. I inherited that bug. Since we were both in the area, we went to a train store near where my folks live to check things out. It mostly had HO and N trains. Pretty much the only O gauge train in the store was a 2332 Lionel Pennsylvania GG-1. The guy at the store didn't know much about it, but he said that it didn't run (remember mostly HO and N in the store) but my grandpa and I knew how simple the old Lionel stuff was so we figured we could get it going. I offered the guy $50 for it if he would throw in the latest issue of Model Railroader Magazine for me to read on my flight home. He took the deal and my grandpa and I headed back to my parents' place ready to tear into the 2332 to see if we could get it going. We put it on some old Lionel track that my parents had and it took off immediately. We were confused at first, but then it hit me...they had tried it with DC power instead of AC. When we realized that the 2332 ran, we lubricated it and ran it for hours while laughing at the simple mistake of testing it with the wrong power supply. My grandpa, who had a lot of really cool post war Lionel, said that he was jealous of my purchase becasue he didn't have a GG-1 in his collection and me getting one for $50 was the "deal of the century". It is the least valuable of the Lionel GG-1's, but mine is absolutely priceless to me because of the memory of that shopping trip with my grandpa and the shared hobby that we both enjoyed. Love the videos, keep them coming.
Ron, second time through this video... I noticed solder tabs on rivets up where the pantographs would mount. I just bet that model could be converted for an overhead catenary wire. If somebody wanted super realism! :) Another enjoyable video.
Hello Ron! 1st ) thank you for your service! As it’s Veterans Day! Wooo Hooo a GG-1 and Lionel even. I know of the single powered version you have there. Waaay Cool! Great job cleaning and servicing . There is something that can be done to help that gear engage better. By using a spacer on the axle between the helix gear and body of the truck and center the gear in its space . Always enjoy your videos and keeping me till the end 33%er . And Wow Mimi Van Doren. Had to watch all the way for that too!
New wheel/gear/axle assembly on its way. I read about using washers (shims) to hold that axle in so it cant strip out so easily in the future. Thanks for all your support !!
Very nice! It is great to see these old Lionel and other post-war trains running. I doubt that the new stuff, with all of the electronics in them, will be running in 50+ years. An excellent tutorial and video, as always.
Ron, thanks for another great video. I really enjoyed seeing this Lionel locomotive come back to life. I enjoy both your sense of humor and attention to detail.
The Tyco transformer just didn’t have enough umph to power that GG1, but postwar Lionel’s have no problem running on DC current as per hitting the whistle or horns. The motors are universal current. Nice clean up and fix up! My own is the same model and my stripes are long gone with just the faintest of a hint of being able to see them. I was mildly panicking when you were handling that one because those stripes are so freaking fragile. Great job as always Ron!!
In the early 2000s, I bought a newer Lionel freight set to start a Christmas tree display. The 80 watt transformer that came with the set powered that engine fine, but when I tried to run a 1666 steamer from my father's 1939 tinplate passenger set, the engine would move haltingly, but if I tried to blow the whistle, the engine stopped. My local train store told me the 80 watt transformer wasn't powerful enough to run the prewar engine because the power draw was so high. I now have 250-watt (1949) and a 275-watt (1966) ZW transformers to run my pre - and post-war O Guage trains. Thanks for the video on the GG-1. I have 2 of these, a green one and a Tuscan red model. They are newer versions from Williams and K-Line and are a bit bigger than than the vintage Lionel version.
wow great job..a replacement power truck would make life easier..you are right,it is a diminishing hobby,most collectors are retirees and living on a fixed income,me being one of them..still love the hobby..I have not cleaned up a GG1in a few years, now I remember why LOL another great video TY
Ron - You make watching these segments really fun. You do fabulous work and really allow me to relate to the work you’re doing. Absolutely terrific work.
Ron, I was very excited about this video. I started watching it on my phone but halfway through stopped it I moved to a big flat screen TV so I could see better. In all, I’ve watched it three times. It was a full of the information I needed. I have a Lionel 622 Santa Fe switcher It was made in 1949 or earlier in 1950 they change the motor and called it to 623 Looking at the manual was not a clear picture of what Motor had in this unit When you showed the motor up close, it was clear of what Motor was in my 622 That year the Motor had the loose ball bearings. I was so mixed up. I had Parts to fix both kind of motors. But it wasn’t clear what it was till I watched your video I want to thank you for clearing up what was a mystery to me? Best VIDEO ever in my opinion Your mechanical ability is amazing
Thank you. Glad you got your questions answered and went to the big screen to watch it. So do you have the loose ball bearing one? There not that bad to work on. Just work over a cookie sheet incase them bearings go rolling off.
That cleaned up really well. It’s a shame that wall got in the way when you backed it up “oops”. Very entertaining video, as usual. Keep up the great work.
Re the he pilots that you thought were smashed in: I'm pretty sure they're supposed to look like that. All pics online show the steps curved back like that. Great show...as always. Thanks!
Great video, Ron! You have a most awesome sponsor this week. :) And that is a pretty cool shirt ya got there. Did NOT get the model this week. Nice choice, but as you say, a lot of maintenance work there.
Super Lube!!!!! As always Sir Great Video/Lesson! Awesome Job bringing the GG1 back to life and looking Amazing! Love the Shirts we need some Classic Model Trains T-shirt!
We called the screwdriver a Sunday Screwdriver and don't ask me why we used this as electricians for starting screw down breakers and ground screws in the back of metal boxes so every electrician's pouch had one and I still have mine. The GG1 is one of my favorites and you did a great job with a very complicated Lionel. Great video, Jersey Bill
Great video of the GG1 maintenance. The 2332 dates back to 1947-1949. The earliest version of Lionel's horn was in this unit, as you mentioned. The 2332 is a great version. I was lucky to find one at a realatively fair price. It also had a restored paint job. It still is a great puller. I also have the 2330 1950 version. Another great piece. Most are all pretty dirty from 70+ years worth of running or sitting.
Ron there is a product available to “blue” steel. It is made by Birchwood Casey called Cold Blue, and it works just as the name implies. It is available at any good sporting goods store. Thanks again for an excellent video, these old Lionel trains deserve to be restored, they don’t make ‘em like that any more.
@@classicmodeltrains There were brown GG-1s, though I don't believe as many as there were green ones. My understanding of the PRR liveries is that brown locos were mostly dedicated to Passenger service. Green and Black represent the same colour: PRR's Dark Green Locomotive Enamel (Commonly referred to as Brunswick Green). These locos were generally dedicated to Freight service (eg the Baldwin Centipedes and Sharknoses ended up in it since they all ended up exclusively working heavy freight). It's relatively rare that model manufacturers get it "correct"; the "Brunswick Green" shorthand usually ends up in the selection of a much lighter shade. British Racing Green is considered a Brunswick Green, as was the Green that British Rail painted their passenger steam locos in (which is lighter again!). Consensus seems to be that black is more correct for a new DGLE paint job, but the paint would turn increasingly green as it aged and oxidised. You would of course see plenty of exceptions to the above rules, and there were the special liveries.
Ron, you hit the nail on the head with your remarks regarding the causes behind reduced demand (and prices) for postwar Lionel. It’s pretty shocking to see how much prices have fallen from 20-30 years ago, when they were sky high (and those prices were in then-current dollars, not today’s dollars). That makes the current values even more of a deal.
The screaming scene was UA-cam gold. I watched it three times and laughed every time. You should put that up as a short video on the feed just for s's & giggles. One thing I wasn't clear on was the six ball bearings on one side of the motor .Was that all it needed or were 4 missing and could that maybe have something to do with the worn gear? I really liked this video because it shows how they used to build things to last the generations. This is one of my top favorite videos from your channel. Keep up the great work Ron. It's easy to be a 33 percenter when your videos come up. Well, I guess that's enough a- kissing. 😅 See you next week.
Hello Norm. I'm not sure why the 10-6 bearing thing was going on. Maybe somebody lost 4 of them at some time. These were just fancy thrust bearings. Nothing to do with the drive gear getting chewed up. I'm really glad you enjoyed this video :-)
None of my Lionel reference books mention a rare black version. Not that it could not have happened, just no data to support that. Although I did read that they used a really dark green on a production run and it made them look as though they were black. That could be the deal ? :-)
Holy Moly !! Nice job. Mamie Van Doren sure did well !! No lie - one of her movies .... "Voyage to the Planet of Prehistoric Women". Now I have to find it and watch it. LOL
Nice vido. I can watch you work on this stuff all day. Nice job . the train tender bailed my ass out about 2 months ago . if he don't have it . its not out there. The train tender is a nice guy but a little rough around the edges . might be his new York attidude but he super . like you idea with the oil on the tooth brush. I think I became a 33 % .
15:28 when you're talking paint schemes Brunswick green was the early version the match to steam engines then Tuscan red who was the late to match the diesel locomotives. At least, this is how my grandfather described it to me and what I read.
A local hobby shop that specializes in three-rail O scale trains had a GG1 that was very similar to that locomotive that you’re working on. I came really close to buying it, and only decided against it, because the Lionel trains that I bought for my daughter were all LionChief. To also have to buy a transformer made this almost-impulse purchase a no-go.
Squirrel!!!!! Oh, and nice job on the train repair. Another quality Lionel Toy Train! Found that Lionel HO some of theirs used a single ball bearing in the driveshaft on each end. Makes sense, but those Lionel HO's are not good quality.
Oiling your firearm? Ron, she looks like a Sherman tank on rails…🤣 Another great - and screamin’ funny - work Ron! 🤣 Congrats! What about those “micro” ball bearings? Thank God you have good vision (and a tube of “Superlub!!! grease…)! And very good luck with the Store (It is a pity that the post rates are stupidly high for bringing things from the States to Brazil…). Have huge, huge success!
Thanks My Friend. Postal rates went up here due to the Christmas season. So Far the store is doing well. Spend a few hours every day packing and shipping stuff off.
thinking Mamie Van Dorn or Diana Dors for the model. Will hang out to the end to see if I am right. I heard of the early horn but don't have an engine in my collection with one so thanks for showing it.
Super video great work..if the owner is just keeping it for display...to my mind it is running good enough without spending the money and time to replace the gear wheel...just my 2 cents. Behind you on the self the observation car bugs me being derailed. ;-)
2nd Feller to mention that car. Its missing its axles. its a rare Marx set with a 333 loco that I'm collecting its needed parts for a major revival. I'll prop it up and make it look better for next time ;-)
You can buy that gun blueing liquid, some is more stronger than others so don't buy the cheapest stuff, but any one should do the job, you just got to make sure the things your blueing are clean because any grease will act as a barrier and not darken plus the amount you apply and the time applied will effect the end colour as well.
You're lucky in the US with blackening agents for Brass, Steel, and Cast Metals. Choose the one based on the material you're trying to blacken, rub on with cotton Budd, let it blacken the wash. Generally, that's all you need to do. Some like to seal it but I haven't found a need to do so on model locomotives.
As long as its nothing that will be dented or bent or broken by doing this, just lightly whack whatever has become magnetized with something like a tack hammer and it will get rid of the magnetizing. This guy describes it best: 'You can try giving it a sharp rap along the long axis of the tool, if a needle file strike the end of the “handle” (the round bare metal bit) a smart rap with a chasing hammer, don’t worry too much if the file gets away from you.The idea is to “upset” the orderly arrangement that results in magnetism. One or two taps should do it." Of course if you do this kind of work to make a living then it would makes sense to buy yourself a degausser but just the average basement tinkerer whose screwdrivers were stored by and / or rubbed by a magnet etc, this works fine. Takes a little practise or maybe trial and error but we're talking minutes here if not seconds to get the hang of it. Hope it helps.
imo you could clear coat it help preserver whats left of the paint and livery. the spring clip isnt missing its just not punched down. punch and tap with hammer will bend it down and you can clip that spring back on.
On the stripped gear, I know that they want some side play to help the loco take tight curves, but it maybe could use some thrust washers to keep the gears fully meshed.
Nice job servicing that Lionel 2332 prr gg1 and your right never use a tyco dc controller to power up your o gauge locomotives because they won’t work. 33%er here
33%-er here. Hopefully some of the junk, I mean nice stuff I sent you, you can sell to pay some bills. O scale GG is not my cup of tea but is interesting to see how things used to be made.
I think the wheels on the drive axle are just out of gauge wide. You can see this at 26:15. Could you simply push one or both of the drive wheels onto the axles to match the gauge of the other flanged axle and reduce that side to side slop?
I agree they are out of gauge, but the gear teeth are in really bad shape about 1/2 way around the wheel. Parts have been found and are on there way. its still pretty cheap to fix these up the right way
@ It’s pretty amazing how well that thing runs with damaged gears. I guess that’s why Lionel GG1’s have such an excellent reputation as reliable, smooth runners.
There is a company called JAX that makes a range of chemical blackeners. They used to make a product called BLACKEN-IT which seems to have been discontinued ... a pity as it was a great product.
Is the gear part of the wheel hub? if not then pull the wheel, then the gear and rotate the gear so the warn part is against the wheel hub. It may also be prudent to put a spacer between the opposite wheel and the bogie to prevent it moving laterally. there should be sufficient movement in the centre and outer wheels for curve negotiation.
I have a 2332 myself- they run silky smooth and quiet. For whatver reason, the ink Lionel used for the lettering and striping wears off super easy from handling, and most of these locomotives have them rubbed most if not all the way off- the striping and lettering is remarkably intact on this one! These locos are pretty notorious for being lousy pullers, and for having the worst sounding horn ever. The poor pulling power is such a shame, it's certainly not for lack of weight- the weight is just too divided over all its wheels, so there isn't enough adhesion on the driven wheels. It can haul three big passenger cars like the 2500 (extruded aluminum) or 2600 ('madison') series passenger cars, but ask any more of a 2332 and it'll start doing burnouts. Thankfully Lionel realized their mistake and all the later GG1s have all 6 middle axles driven, like the real ones did. One thing to watch out for- the E unit sits right above the worm, and there's a hole in that mounting bracket to give clearance for the E-Unit pawl to drop down all the way each time power is cut. Unfortunately, the worm likes to throw grease from the gearbox up into the E-Unit, where over time the lube can gum it up and get the drum and fingers all dirty. It's possible to make a little grease shield out of some thin metal or plastic, to prevent this from happening. Maybe not a biggie, but if you have the time and have it apart, it's one less thing to go wrong later.
@@adventuresinmodelrailroading I operated the plunger manually with a small pick. It’s just a electr-mechanical plunger with a spring on it. Can’t be done with your fingers.
She is none other than Mamie Van Doren. A classic just like the GG1 you are working on. Once again awesome job Ron.
Thanks
Ron, I have worked on most Lionel steamers and diesels from 46 to about 59 but never got into a GG 1. After watching your video I bought 2332. Your video made the restoration a breeze. Thanks for this video and all your others. I always learn something from each one.
Thanks Robert! I see the GG-1's are not too expensive to get now a days
Wow just recently watched the history of Lionel trains and seeing you work on a classic like this was so amazing❤❤
Thank you :-)
I have a Lionel 2332 in my own collection and it is one of my favorite pieces.
I picked it up over the Thanksgiving holiday many years ago when I was visiting my parents at the same time as my grandparents (both came in from out of state). My grandpa has always been a Lionel guy and a train guy in general. He always put up a big layout around his Christmas tree and over the years the tree got smaller to make room for more trains. I inherited that bug.
Since we were both in the area, we went to a train store near where my folks live to check things out. It mostly had HO and N trains. Pretty much the only O gauge train in the store was a 2332 Lionel Pennsylvania GG-1. The guy at the store didn't know much about it, but he said that it didn't run (remember mostly HO and N in the store) but my grandpa and I knew how simple the old Lionel stuff was so we figured we could get it going.
I offered the guy $50 for it if he would throw in the latest issue of Model Railroader Magazine for me to read on my flight home. He took the deal and my grandpa and I headed back to my parents' place ready to tear into the 2332 to see if we could get it going.
We put it on some old Lionel track that my parents had and it took off immediately. We were confused at first, but then it hit me...they had tried it with DC power instead of AC.
When we realized that the 2332 ran, we lubricated it and ran it for hours while laughing at the simple mistake of testing it with the wrong power supply.
My grandpa, who had a lot of really cool post war Lionel, said that he was jealous of my purchase becasue he didn't have a GG-1 in his collection and me getting one for $50 was the "deal of the century".
It is the least valuable of the Lionel GG-1's, but mine is absolutely priceless to me because of the memory of that shopping trip with my grandpa and the shared hobby that we both enjoyed.
Love the videos, keep them coming.
Thanks for sharing your story about your GG-1. Sounds like a great time!
Ron, second time through this video... I noticed solder tabs on rivets up where the pantographs would mount. I just bet that model could be converted for an overhead catenary wire. If somebody wanted super realism! :) Another enjoyable video.
@@kellyloyd7900 you are correct. A lot of work to make the overhead wire pickup though :-)
Ron, you're more dedicated to your craft than most, but that's okay. I'm glad to have you on UA-cam. You're making other Model Train People knowable.
Very kind of you to say :-)
What a beast of a locomotive! Nice job.
Thanks
Ron, watching your videos is like watching a favorite show! Can't wait for the next episode!
Very kind of you !!
The 33%ter here !!! No matter what scale you do, It's a great show👀
Thank you very much
You are meant for this! YOU ARE AWESOME 😊
Very kind of you :-)
You are Great and so is Maimie von Doreen!
Thanks! You guessed her!
This is effen fantastic...
These videos are historic .... forever
They are priceless
Thank you :-)
That is a cool old engine Ron . Thank you for your channel , videos are always interesting to me .
Very kind of you :-)
Ron I wanna thank you so much for all your videos I’ve learned so much you are the coolest.
You’re very welcome. I’m glad to help.
Great content! Enjoy your videos!
Thank you for watching!
Great job Ron!
Thank you Henry
33% er here. ty for the great show!!
Thanks for watching
Hello Ron! 1st ) thank you for your service! As it’s Veterans Day!
Wooo Hooo a GG-1 and Lionel even. I know of the single powered version you have there. Waaay Cool! Great job cleaning and servicing . There is something that can be done to help that gear engage better. By using a spacer on the axle between the helix gear and body of the truck and center the gear in its space .
Always enjoy your videos and keeping me till the end 33%er .
And Wow Mimi Van Doren. Had to watch all the way for that too!
New wheel/gear/axle assembly on its way. I read about using washers (shims) to hold that axle in so it cant strip out so easily in the future. Thanks for all your support !!
Very nice! It is great to see these old Lionel and other post-war trains running. I doubt that the new stuff, with all of the electronics in them, will be running in 50+ years. An excellent tutorial and video, as always.
Thanks for the kind words. the new ones will be DOA in 20 years in my opinion
looks amazing ron, sorry bout the gear! i love these old lionels, they are built like tanks to last forever!
Thanks, New gear is on its way.
Ron, thanks for another great video. I really enjoyed seeing this Lionel locomotive come back to life. I enjoy both your sense of humor and attention to detail.
Thank you Thomas
Really great video, I love seeing these old Lionel's being worked on.
I'm glad you enjoyed it
The Tyco transformer just didn’t have enough umph to power that GG1, but postwar Lionel’s have no problem running on DC current as per hitting the whistle or horns. The motors are universal current. Nice clean up and fix up! My own is the same model and my stripes are long gone with just the faintest of a hint of being able to see them. I was mildly panicking when you were handling that one because those stripes are so freaking fragile. Great job as always Ron!!
Thanks, A Few fellers have been mentioning they can run on DC. Im gunna have to try that
In the early 2000s, I bought a newer Lionel freight set to start a Christmas tree display. The 80 watt transformer that came with the set powered that engine fine, but when I tried to run a 1666 steamer from my father's 1939 tinplate passenger set, the engine would move haltingly, but if I tried to blow the whistle, the engine stopped. My local train store told me the 80 watt transformer wasn't powerful enough to run the prewar engine because the power draw was so high.
I now have 250-watt (1949) and a 275-watt (1966) ZW transformers to run my pre - and post-war O Guage trains.
Thanks for the video on the GG-1. I have 2 of these, a green one and a Tuscan red model. They are newer versions from Williams and K-Line and are a bit bigger than than the vintage Lionel version.
Ron! Half way through this vid, the GG-1, best one yet!!! Had to say it!
Very kind of you Brock
wow great job..a replacement power truck would make life easier..you are right,it is a diminishing hobby,most collectors are retirees and living on a fixed income,me being one of them..still love the hobby..I have not cleaned up a GG1in a few years, now I remember why LOL another great video TY
Thanks :-)
Wow, great video Ron...first time seeing a GG...going to check out your eBay supermall...cheers from 🇨🇦
Thanks for watching!
Ron -
You make watching these segments really fun. You do fabulous work and really allow me to relate to the work you’re doing. Absolutely terrific work.
Thank you very much :-)
Ron I try to see all the video you post every week.
Thanks for watching! I’m glad you enjoy them.
Ron, I was very excited about this video. I started watching it on my phone but halfway through stopped it I moved to a big flat screen TV so I could see better. In all, I’ve watched it three times. It was a full of the information I needed. I have a Lionel 622 Santa Fe switcher It was made in 1949 or earlier in 1950 they change the motor and called it to 623 Looking at the manual was not a clear picture of what Motor had in this unit When you showed the motor up close, it was clear of what Motor was in my 622 That year the Motor had the loose ball bearings. I was so mixed up. I had Parts to fix both kind of motors. But it wasn’t clear what it was till I watched your video I want to thank you for clearing up what was a mystery to me? Best VIDEO ever in my opinion Your mechanical ability is amazing
Thank you. Glad you got your questions answered and went to the big screen to watch it. So do you have the loose ball bearing one? There not that bad to work on. Just work over a cookie sheet incase them bearings go rolling off.
That cleaned up really well. It’s a shame that wall got in the way when you backed it up “oops”. Very entertaining video, as usual. Keep up the great work.
I was glad the train did not fall off and crush the HO scenery below :-)
@ You weren’t going that fast, but that would have made an opportunity for another “how to” video. Lol
Another great show! Love the fact that you will tackle any project. 93?? That has to be a wax figure. LOL. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks John. 93 is what the internet told me. I did the math, it works out
Another great video Ron! And look at that swag, Mr. Hollywood! Take care, Jeff.
Finally got me a going to town shirt ;-)
Hi Ron & it's is Randy and i like yours video is Cool & Thanks Ron & Friends Randy
Hi Randy!
Always enjoy your videos! Nice work on the GG1! - Brian
Thanks Brian!
I state as a 33% er, great video. Thanks Ron
Thank you Patrick
Re the he pilots that you thought were smashed in: I'm pretty sure they're supposed to look like that. All pics online show the steps curved back like that.
Great show...as always. Thanks!
I was referencing that the whole assembly was tilted down and in. Both ends were bent. I do understand what your referencing :-) Thanks for watching!!
Great video, Ron! You have a most awesome sponsor this week. :) And that is a pretty cool shirt ya got there. Did NOT get the model this week. Nice choice, but as you say, a lot of maintenance work there.
Thanks :-)
I always loved the GG1's!! Great restore job Ron!!
Thanks Ray!!
Super Lube!!!!! As always Sir Great Video/Lesson! Awesome Job bringing the GG1 back to life and looking Amazing! Love the Shirts we need some Classic Model Trains T-shirt!
Thanks Eric. I need a simple but nice looking logo for a screen print
Ron, you stumped me again. I have heard of her. Great video . Cool to see the GG1 run and go! Take care.
so your 103-3 I believe ;-)
We called the screwdriver a Sunday Screwdriver and don't ask me why we used this as electricians for starting screw down breakers and ground screws in the back of metal boxes so every electrician's pouch had one and I still have mine. The GG1 is one of my favorites and you did a great job with a very complicated Lionel. Great video, Jersey Bill
Thanks J.B. I like the slang for the screwdriver!
Yes, Ron! Best yet! Well done!
Thank you!
Great video of the GG1 maintenance. The 2332 dates back to 1947-1949. The earliest version of Lionel's horn was in this unit, as you mentioned. The 2332 is a great version. I was lucky to find one at a realatively fair price. It also had a restored paint job. It still is a great puller. I also have the 2330 1950 version. Another great piece. Most are all pretty dirty from 70+ years worth of running or sitting.
Great story you have there on your GG-1's :-)
Great work on that old GG1 & thanks for posting especially the history. Cheers from eastern TN
Glad you enjoyed it!
Ron there is a product available to “blue” steel. It is made by Birchwood Casey called Cold Blue, and it works just as the name implies. It is available at any good sporting goods store. Thanks again for an excellent video, these old Lionel trains deserve to be restored, they don’t make ‘em like that any more.
Thanks for the info there John
Another great video. My my Memee, Wonderful.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
The congressional service GG-1s were painted silver-grey with a red stripe. Thank you for another fantastic video!
Oh? Wonder why Lionel made them brown? Dang creative freedoms anyway :-)
@@classicmodeltrains There were brown GG-1s, though I don't believe as many as there were green ones. My understanding of the PRR liveries is that brown locos were mostly dedicated to Passenger service.
Green and Black represent the same colour: PRR's Dark Green Locomotive Enamel (Commonly referred to as Brunswick Green). These locos were generally dedicated to Freight service (eg the Baldwin Centipedes and Sharknoses ended up in it since they all ended up exclusively working heavy freight). It's relatively rare that model manufacturers get it "correct"; the "Brunswick Green" shorthand usually ends up in the selection of a much lighter shade. British Racing Green is considered a Brunswick Green, as was the Green that British Rail painted their passenger steam locos in (which is lighter again!).
Consensus seems to be that black is more correct for a new DGLE paint job, but the paint would turn increasingly green as it aged and oxidised.
You would of course see plenty of exceptions to the above rules, and there were the special liveries.
@@jdenm8 Thanks for the info!
Thank you Ron for another great video! Never met a train I didn’t like lol . Keep them coming no matter what gauge.
Thanks, will do Robert!
Ron, you hit the nail on the head with your remarks regarding the causes behind reduced demand (and prices) for postwar Lionel. It’s pretty shocking to see how much prices have fallen from 20-30 years ago, when they were sky high (and those prices were in then-current dollars, not today’s dollars). That makes the current values even more of a deal.
Yes it's Sad to see how much prices have come down, but a bonus as well
I think you could add some time to the videos. I really enjoy what you do. You keep me motivated to work on my trains. Thanks for sharing 😊
Thanks James!
Thank You Ron, great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Great rebuild of a very nice model. Nice job..
Thank you!
Hey Ron, I thought sure I'd hear from you after you watched the Real Men of Genius parody!
I dont get much of a chance to watch a lot of stuff. Always moving, moving.....
The screaming scene was UA-cam gold. I watched it three times and laughed every time. You should put that up as a short video on the feed just for s's & giggles. One thing I wasn't clear on was the six ball bearings on one side of the motor .Was that all it needed or were 4 missing and could that maybe have something to do with the worn gear?
I really liked this video because it shows how they used to build things to last the generations. This is one of my top favorite videos from your channel. Keep up the great work Ron. It's easy to be a 33 percenter when your videos come up. Well, I guess that's enough a- kissing. 😅 See you next week.
Hello Norm. I'm not sure why the 10-6 bearing thing was going on. Maybe somebody lost 4 of them at some time. These were just fancy thrust bearings. Nothing to do with the drive gear getting chewed up. I'm really glad you enjoyed this video :-)
Great video Ron! The 2332 actually came in black also but in limited numbers unknown.
None of my Lionel reference books mention a rare black version. Not that it could not have happened, just no data to support that. Although I did read that they used a really dark green on a production run and it made them look as though they were black. That could be the deal ? :-)
Holy Moly !! Nice job. Mamie Van Doren sure did well !! No lie - one of her movies ....
"Voyage to the Planet of Prehistoric Women". Now I have to find it and watch it. LOL
Thanks! Now I have to find that movie as well ;-)
Cool locomotive and a style classic with a nice patina. You've got to get a longer run to up the fun! Again, 46 minutes flew by.
I agree a larger loop would be nice. weather up here is so "Iffy" I didnt want to set up the big loop outside and have the wind tear it apart
So excited to be so early for once!!! Love your content Ron!!!
Thank you Luis!
She got to have a painting hidden in the attic. WOW. Good job on that engine.
Thanks
Great Video as usual! Ron, in my mind at least, a bolt needs a wrench to turn it, while a screw does not.
You make a strong point there Sir! :-)
@@classicmodeltrains Only my opinion.
Love those GG1. Hey from Metro Detroit.
Greetings from Montana
I didn't recognize the model until the end when you gave her name... I recognized the name.
Ive never heard of her. Fellers 15-20 years older than me seem to have heard of her though
Great Vid ,I love working on stuff like that myself ,GG1's aregreat in any gauge .
Right on
Great video, Ron!!
Thanks Rick
Nice vido. I can watch you work on this stuff all day. Nice job . the train tender bailed my ass out about 2 months ago . if he don't have it . its not out there. The train tender is a nice guy but a little rough around the edges . might be his new York attidude but he super . like you idea with the oil on the tooth brush. I think I became a 33 % .
Every time I talk to him I feel like I'm talking to the drill sergeant back in my basic training days :-)
Thank you for sharing. BROWNELLS OXPO, gun bluing.👍
Thanks for the recommendation
Nice Chase Elliott hat. Sorry he couldn't get it done this season. Other than that, Glad you went through with the restoration.
Thanks :-)
15:28 when you're talking paint schemes Brunswick green was the early version the match to steam engines then Tuscan red who was the late to match the diesel locomotives. At least, this is how my grandfather described it to me and what I read.
Thanks for the info!
Hello from Florida
Greetings from Montana!
Good video thank you 👍👍👍
You're very welcome!
A local hobby shop that specializes in three-rail O scale trains had a GG1 that was very similar to that locomotive that you’re working on. I came really close to buying it, and only decided against it, because the Lionel trains that I bought for my daughter were all LionChief. To also have to buy a transformer made this almost-impulse purchase a no-go.
Ive ran the fancy lion chief loco's on an old ZW transformer for power and the wi-fi connection. Its nice the fancy new ones are backwards compatible
The more i see O scale the more i think 🤔😉😁. . Great video Ron 👍
yes.....YES!........... Come to the LIGHT!!!! :-)
Squirrel!!!!! Oh, and nice job on the train repair. Another quality Lionel Toy Train! Found that Lionel HO some of theirs used a single ball bearing in the driveshaft on each end. Makes sense, but those Lionel HO's are not good quality.
Lionel HO's blow, I agree
I'm not much of a fan of O scale but this video was with out a dought amazing great job Ron!!!
Thanks Dale :-)
Oiling your firearm? Ron, she looks like a Sherman tank on rails…🤣
Another great - and screamin’ funny - work Ron! 🤣 Congrats! What about those “micro” ball bearings? Thank God you have good vision (and a tube of “Superlub!!! grease…)!
And very good luck with the Store (It is a pity that the post rates are stupidly high for bringing things from the States to Brazil…). Have huge, huge success!
Thanks My Friend. Postal rates went up here due to the Christmas season. So Far the store is doing well. Spend a few hours every day packing and shipping stuff off.
Got to have me some more critter cut-a-ways!!!
I had fun with that one. it was a insurance commercial originally. I re-mastered it!!
thinking Mamie Van Dorn or Diana Dors for the model. Will hang out to the end to see if I am right. I heard of the early horn but don't have an engine in my collection with one so thanks for showing it.
You got it with Mamie!!
Super video great work..if the owner is just keeping it for display...to my mind it is running good enough without spending the money and time to replace the gear wheel...just my 2 cents. Behind you on the self the observation car bugs me being derailed. ;-)
2nd Feller to mention that car. Its missing its axles. its a rare Marx set with a 333 loco that I'm collecting its needed parts for a major revival. I'll prop it up and make it look better for next time ;-)
You can buy that gun blueing liquid, some is more stronger than others so don't buy the cheapest stuff, but any one should do the job, you just got to make sure the things your blueing are clean because any grease will act as a barrier and not darken plus the amount you apply and the time applied will effect the end colour as well.
Thanks for the info
Hello i love your videos can you please make a video on non working MTH locomotives ❤
I have made 1 video on MTH so far. Its a Amtrak loco from a few months ago
I believe Micro Mark sells a blackening solution to blacken rail. I had some a whole back.
Thanks I will look into that
You're lucky in the US with blackening agents for Brass, Steel, and Cast Metals. Choose the one based on the material you're trying to blacken, rub on with cotton Budd, let it blacken the wash. Generally, that's all you need to do. Some like to seal it but I haven't found a need to do so on model locomotives.
Thanks for the tip Peter
As long as its nothing that will be dented or bent or broken by doing this, just lightly whack whatever has become magnetized with something like a tack hammer and it will get rid of the magnetizing. This guy describes it best: 'You can try giving it a sharp rap along the long axis of the tool, if a needle file strike the end of the “handle” (the round bare metal bit) a smart rap with a chasing hammer, don’t worry too much if the file gets away from you.The idea is to “upset” the orderly arrangement that results in magnetism. One or two taps should do it."
Of course if you do this kind of work to make a living then it would makes sense to buy yourself a degausser but just the average basement tinkerer whose screwdrivers were stored by and / or rubbed by a magnet etc, this works fine. Takes a little practise or maybe trial and error but we're talking minutes here if not seconds to get the hang of it. Hope it helps.
I picked up one of those Magnetizer/de-magnetizer for tools here last week. So far it does its job
imo you could clear coat it help preserver whats left of the paint and livery. the spring clip isnt missing its just not punched down. punch and tap with hammer will bend it down and you can clip that spring back on.
The spring tab is completely missing. it broke off and I found the piece in that baggy
On the stripped gear, I know that they want some side play to help the loco take tight curves, but it maybe could use some thrust washers to keep the gears fully meshed.
I'm going to add those when the new gear goes on
The girl of the week is just too old for me but I wouldn`t kick her out of bed. lol Great video Ron. 🤠
Thanks Dennis
Nice job servicing that Lionel 2332 prr gg1 and your right never use a tyco dc controller to power up your o gauge locomotives because they won’t work. 33%er here
Thanks Matt!
@@classicmodeltrainsyup and congrats on hitting over 15k subs!
33%-er here. Hopefully some of the junk, I mean nice stuff I sent you, you can sell to pay some bills. O scale GG is not my cup of tea but is interesting to see how things used to be made.
@@lynnmccurdythehdmmrc2561 wished they would make these scale sized. I suppose the new $3000 ones are correct.
Ron that wheel/gear stays engaged due to the track and 2 other wheel sets ing the truck. So it won’t slip because of that.
Well it slipped enough to strip away half of the gears on half of the wheel But I am picking up what your laying down :-)
I think the wheels on the drive axle are just out of gauge wide. You can see this at 26:15. Could you simply push one or both of the drive wheels onto the axles to match the gauge of the other flanged axle and reduce that side to side slop?
I agree they are out of gauge, but the gear teeth are in really bad shape about 1/2 way around the wheel. Parts have been found and are on there way. its still pretty cheap to fix these up the right way
@ It’s pretty amazing how well that thing runs with damaged gears. I guess that’s why Lionel GG1’s have such an excellent reputation as reliable, smooth runners.
When are you going to do a Rock Island AB6, Ron?
That Marx one? Its coming up. Are you that feller that was interested in buying it? if so drop me a email classicmodeltrains@aol.com
Hey Ron, thanks for another great video. Some of those engines have to test your patience. Do you measure frustration with wobble pops?
Not really. just making it thru another day is reason enough to enjoy a W.P.!!
There are 2332 in black as well, not many but they do exist, I know I have one
Cool!
There is a company called JAX that makes a range of chemical blackeners.
They used to make a product called BLACKEN-IT which seems to have been discontinued ... a pity as it was a great product.
Thanks for the recommendation
I could never tell Mamie Van Doren and Monique Von Vooren apart.
Ive never heard of either of them. Quick! to the Google machine!!
GG-1. GOTTA GREAT ONE …Train video!..lol
:-)
Is the gear part of the wheel hub? if not then pull the wheel, then the gear and rotate the gear so the warn part is against the wheel hub. It may also be prudent to put a spacer between the opposite wheel and the bogie to prevent it moving laterally. there should be sufficient movement in the centre and outer wheels for curve negotiation.
The gear is cast into the wheel which is sold as an assembly with the axle included. I do plan on some thrush shims for sure
27:01 could there have been some kind of spacer that got missed putting the axles back together??
I never took the axles apart.
I have a 2332 myself- they run silky smooth and quiet. For whatver reason, the ink Lionel used for the lettering and striping wears off super easy from handling, and most of these locomotives have them rubbed most if not all the way off- the striping and lettering is remarkably intact on this one!
These locos are pretty notorious for being lousy pullers, and for having the worst sounding horn ever. The poor pulling power is such a shame, it's certainly not for lack of weight- the weight is just too divided over all its wheels, so there isn't enough adhesion on the driven wheels. It can haul three big passenger cars like the 2500 (extruded aluminum) or 2600 ('madison') series passenger cars, but ask any more of a 2332 and it'll start doing burnouts. Thankfully Lionel realized their mistake and all the later GG1s have all 6 middle axles driven, like the real ones did.
One thing to watch out for- the E unit sits right above the worm, and there's a hole in that mounting bracket to give clearance for the E-Unit pawl to drop down all the way each time power is cut. Unfortunately, the worm likes to throw grease from the gearbox up into the E-Unit, where over time the lube can gum it up and get the drum and fingers all dirty. It's possible to make a little grease shield out of some thin metal or plastic, to prevent this from happening. Maybe not a biggie, but if you have the time and have it apart, it's one less thing to go wrong later.
Thanks for the good info and the tips on the e-unit problem!!
Did you check the operation of the the electromagnetic couplers?
I did not test them electrically but I did open and close them and put a bit of light oil on/in them
@classicmodeltrains uhhh.... the ones I have won't open unless you apply electricity to the shoe and wheels.
@@adventuresinmodelrailroading I operated the plunger manually with a small pick. It’s just a electr-mechanical plunger with a spring on it. Can’t be done with your fingers.
@classicmodeltrains ahhh, I see said the blind man.