Jordan Peterson and the ARC Conference - CHRISTIAN REACTS

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  • @simonahrendt9069
    @simonahrendt9069 Рік тому +129

    Thank you so much, Glen, that was very helpful for me. I took the Peterson train to Christianity a few years ago but do suffer from having some aspects of babelism in my outlook. Thank you for putting so clearly in words what you see both in terms of benefits and dangers of the Peterson train. I still love the man tremendously and am deeply thankful for his wisdom and love for lost sheep like me. Just beginning to appreciate the depth of the love and power of Jesus. It is difficult to believe because it is so good but I know in my heart of hearts that He is Lord and the good shepherd of all. Glory and all thanks to Him.

    • @SpeakLifeMedia
      @SpeakLifeMedia  Рік тому +11

      Love this. Every word!

    • @petervanrun4626
      @petervanrun4626 Рік тому +4

      Amen

    • @jackodell4756
      @jackodell4756 Рік тому +4

      So well put. My sentiments exactly. Thank you!

    • @user-yp7vf5lo8h
      @user-yp7vf5lo8h Рік тому +8

      Thanks for teaching me a very important new word babelism. This video also shows the distance between myself, a new follower of Jesus, and Jesus. And I didn't even know that I've kept myself away from Jesus by trusting in my own strength too much.

    • @SpeakLifeMedia
      @SpeakLifeMedia  Рік тому +7

      @@user-yp7vf5lo8h The good news is that Jesus descends to close that gap too. Even our lack of faith (and excess of pride) is atoned for by the blood of Jesus.

  • @ClauGutierrezY
    @ClauGutierrezY Рік тому +121

    The low levels of engagement on this channel's videos is beyond me. Your content is so good.

    • @SpeakLifeMedia
      @SpeakLifeMedia  Рік тому +12

      Your view and comment helps. Thanks! 😀

    • @christopherwhite5244
      @christopherwhite5244 Рік тому +1

      Too long!

    • @pamcollins2178
      @pamcollins2178 Рік тому

      Agree!

    • @macitect
      @macitect Рік тому +1

      Probably because of YT throttling accounts that spread truth and joy!

    • @KevinHash
      @KevinHash Рік тому +1

      agree! i think it would help if they posted more links to this on facebook.

  • @normaodenthal8009
    @normaodenthal8009 Рік тому +59

    A very good analysis of Jordan Peterson’s speech, giving a balanced view of both its strength and weaknesses.
    Jordan, like all of us, are works in progress, and we can all use a little help. He’s leaning towards Christianity but still has some way to go towards becoming a Christian and understanding the subtleties of the faith.
    I would love to see a conversation between Glen and Jordan discussing the important differences between the Tower of Babel and Jacob’s ladder. It would likely prove to be a very fruitful discussion.

  • @kennethlyons2024
    @kennethlyons2024 Рік тому +21

    Great broadcast. I remember Jordans broken spirit a little while ago, manifest in a few interviews he did, beautiful to see. It was like he came to the red sea, but hesitated and didn't step forward into Christ. We all do the same, I fail often. I hope and pray he takes the step. He's an interesting and remarkable person. God bless him

  • @RonHampton-s4e
    @RonHampton-s4e Рік тому +23

    I too have been following the journey of Jordan for several years. Upon reading his 12 Rules book my thought was he has unconsciously discovered some of God’s truth similarly to Bill W and AA’s higher power. For the past year or two I began thinking even praying that Peterson needs to meet Dr John Lennox who believes in the down & out story along with Scrivener. Their paths have now crossed. Peterson has invited Lennox to get involved in his next Miami forum. The story of Peterson’s journey continues. I trust Jordan will not just have the dots shown to him but will connect them, have his burden lifted and be empowered with love, grace and power from above.

  • @silvanaturalis
    @silvanaturalis Рік тому +14

    You hit the nail on the head, this is a fair critique, thank you

  • @revjonathanjclark1957
    @revjonathanjclark1957 Рік тому +8

    Glen, I think you are spot on. I have enjoyed reading Jordan Peterson, and observing the people he is interacting with. Now in hospital, I have time to read more of his books and watch the UA-cams. I think your analysis is just right. I will recommend this UA-cam as the best place to get an appreciative yet critical review and overview. And I pray that you get the opportunity to speak with Jordan, and be invited into his discussions. Jonathan Clark, Barts hospital, formerly Paris.

  • @annawray2220
    @annawray2220 Рік тому +15

    I’ve been feeling uneasy about JP ever since ARC, I’ve talked with other Christian’s about it and just got a heavy rebuttal, ‘we need to change culture through politics, we need to pick a side in war etc etc’ this video has finally put words to my unease, thank you!

    • @SpeakLifeMedia
      @SpeakLifeMedia  Рік тому +10

      Keep going with the original plan - scatter the seed of the Word. It looks weak, hidden and slow but in the end it’s the only thing that’s fruitful

    • @annawray2220
      @annawray2220 Рік тому +9

      Exactly that, I do actually know a lot of people involved in ARC, very socially mobile, wealthy, well connected Christians, I suppose this is their temptation, to use their power and influence to build Babel, with Christian language to ‘justify’, however, what is really behind this? It can be quite difficult to decipher, as I am a new Christian, but it seems so off, I didn’t come to Christ to be successful in the world, I came to him to make sense of my failure and my suffering. Indeed his burden is light. In him we find freedom not endless striving for influence. There’s no peace in this. Thanks Glen!

    • @efef6853
      @efef6853 Рік тому +4

      Peterson is preaching the religion of the anti-christ, a man centered religion instead of a God centered faith. We have to be careful that we are not being deceived into accepting errors which are totally opposed to the Bible. We shouldn't be so desperate for role models or allies that we accept anyone who seems to preach teachings that have Christian flavour without actually being Bible based Christianity.
      Isaiah 8:20
      "20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

  • @TruthUnites
    @TruthUnites Рік тому +7

    excellent analysis, thank you!

    • @GrahamDickins
      @GrahamDickins Рік тому +2

      Love your work, brother Gavin! ♥

    • @ericgraham4360
      @ericgraham4360 5 місяців тому

      The collab between both of you was also really good! I recommend that for people who want more context thinking about Peterson from a Christian context

  • @megofiachra3247
    @megofiachra3247 Рік тому +3

    Excellent analysis of Dr. Peterson's speech. I admire JP very much. I love how he tries to be as honest and as exact in his speech as he is able. Here's my favorite example from several years back in Canada. There was a group protesting his talk, who had put out flyers against him, etc. He mentioned them, somehow, either to the media or someone. He used the word "enemies," which was immediately jumped on: "See! You call them your enemies! You are divisive! You do hate people! etc etc." But JP pointed his accusers back to his actual words. He had said, "...those who consider themselves my enemies..."
    That said, Glen has verbalized much of my wariness surrounding JP. Another area where JP is off the mark is his interpretation of Matthew 18: "unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." JP attaches it to children's sense of play, and he likes to extrapolate that into the need for play in our lives as adults. However, that's a stretch and doesn't fit the context. I believe it's that little children simply... believe. Unless their trust has been betrayed by abusive parents, they simply believe and trust what their parents tell them. Likewise, we are to believe and trust our heavenly Father. And He is all good and worthy of that trust. :)
    One more thing about JP: as much as I admire him and have learned much from him, there is a little part of me that whispers, "He is the type of person the Antichrist will be: wise leader, adored by the masses, able to solve great problems of the world, and yet, without...or anti...Christ. You said it well, Glen. Is he close...? or is he actually facing 180 degrees away...?

  • @lesliecunliffe4450
    @lesliecunliffe4450 Рік тому +28

    This is a great analysis of the shortfall in Peterson's message when contrasted with biblical Christianity; however, ARC is meant to be a coalition, not a party based on partiality. Christians should confidently engage with this and learn not to be too partial in regard to ARC's aims.

    • @SpeakLifeMedia
      @SpeakLifeMedia  Рік тому +3

      Completely agree

    • @laurawhy8813
      @laurawhy8813 Рік тому +1

      Morality is not the eternal answer to human sin but we also need a return to moral values and behavior in this country. Jordan is certainly helping others to awaken to that.

  • @warrenmills7486
    @warrenmills7486 Рік тому +10

    Glen. Paul VanderKlay led a conference I ran in March 2019 (at StJames Old Cathedral, Melbourne) called Understanding the Jordan Peterson Phenomenon. My view re Peterson is he is a Jungian, Darwinian, secular psychologist (like M Scott Peck) discovering the humble reality of love at the core of reality. I welcome him in his journey because he, as you say, brings so many with him as he diagnoses this moment of time and space. Jesus says to his disciples, “don’t try to pull out the weeds…” and “if they are not against us, they are with us.”
    Paul launched my book, How Good is the Golden Rule at the conference, which summarises my 76 years of Christian experience. Since then, I have discovered that I
    now really do love God with all my heart, mind, soul and strength, but it has taken me a lifetime to do it. Pray for him. Regards Warren Mills.

    • @SpeakLifeMedia
      @SpeakLifeMedia  Рік тому +3

      Hi Warren, I’ll be doing a video with Paul next week. Stay tuned on his channel for it. :)

    • @warrenmills7486
      @warrenmills7486 Рік тому +1

      @@SpeakLifeMedia Both you and Paul (and Dallas Willard, Jonathan Pageau and others) nourish my soul as you endeavour to experience and express the reality of Christian faith, hope and love in all of its complexity and confusion. Best regards. Warren Mills.

  • @emmalawson-
    @emmalawson- Рік тому +19

    This was such a helpful analysis . Really appreciated the insight as someone who has read and listened to JP for a few years now. I’m so intrigued by him. But you clarified the point for me - that we love because he first loved us. Love and faith and then comes responsibility. JP is well worth listening to for his wisdom, articulation and the fact that he so obviously cares about people. But I can see now more clearly that his is a vision of the tower of babel not Jacob’s ladder - God coming to down to us into the pit to be with us. I feel roused when I hear JP but not particularly hopeful! I loved the verse you shared of Jesus giving rest to the weary. That WAS refreshing and Jesus is our only cause for hope. Thanks again for this video. I liked that you spent more time on this!

  • @DaleLarson
    @DaleLarson Рік тому +2

    God loves the world, you love your neighbor. Great line, Glen.

  • @airpollotoledo
    @airpollotoledo Рік тому +7

    You got it on the dot! I always wrestled with JP’s teaching. We cannot respond in freedom of serving if we have not experienced the love of God. All it would be is very hard purposeless work. Your channel is sooo good brada!

    • @aga5109
      @aga5109 Рік тому

      Look up Jordan's interview on his faith with Pierse Mogran. Jordan's daughter is being interviewed as well. He clearly stated that he experienced the love of God. They also gave an account of a miraculous healing of Jordan's wife, Tammy.

  • @catherinevermette802
    @catherinevermette802 7 місяців тому +1

    God bless you Glen. I love that you are coming alongside social media, undergirding it with God's truth. The internet is a massive world where, despite sometimes the best of intentions, things can and do go terribly wrong. The Living God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. You can't earn your way into a family. It's difficult in this world where we are taught to paddle our canoes on the waters of the 'performance river', to accept the Living God's grace because it is a free gift independent of any effort on our part. Thank you for speaking God's truth into this ARC conference 2023.

  • @Cristina_Pavel
    @Cristina_Pavel Рік тому +4

    Great analysis, beautiful ending, thank you!

  • @petercrutchley6085
    @petercrutchley6085 Рік тому +3

    Excellent and thought provoking critique. Thank you for posting. Blessings

  • @EGrant123
    @EGrant123 Рік тому +4

    Alot of Great thoughts here. Thanks for helping me clarify some of my own thoughts regarding Dr. Peterson. As a Born Again Christian, I always feel like he's almost got it but something's missing...Im continuing to Pray for his Salvation.

  • @fstover5208
    @fstover5208 Рік тому +10

    Jordan Peterson presents himself as an academic, a philosopher, and a champion of western civilization values. I'm a Christian and appreciate his stoic outlook, an outlook that deeply examines secular society without faith.

    • @SpiritualPsychotherapyServices
      @SpiritualPsychotherapyServices Рік тому

      I'm not sure why any thinking person would give heed to the imperfect opinions of some ignorant psychology professor. There are a handful of EXTREMELY wise sages currently on this planet who can logically and completely answer practically any question that an intelligent soul is likely to ask regarding morals and ethics.
      The fact that Jordan supports men buggering each other (by which I mean, that he supports homosexuality and other criminal activities, such as the unnecessary consumption of poor innocent animals) is MORE than sufficient proof that he is not as religious as he claims, and that any decent, holy person ought to shun his inane teachings and flee into the loving arms of a teacher of Truth.
      Furthermore, in a recent interview on Benjamin Shapiro's UA-cam channel, he admitted that his wife figuratively (and I'm sure also LITERALLY) wears the pants in his household. 👖
      I would be more than pleased to provide you with links to the UA-cam channels of a few enlightened beings who will quickly set you on the path to perfection, as opposed to the DELUDED moral subjectivism professed by "Doctor" Peterson (pun not intended).
      Please find below a couple of such ENLIGHTENED masters to which I referred above:
      Professor Alan Watts
      (now deceased, so he doesn't have his own UA-cam channel - just search for his videos on numerous extant channels)
      Swami Sarvapriyananda
      ( ua-cam.com/users/vedantany1894
      or search for "Vivekananda Samiti")
      Jagadguru Svāmī Vegānanda
      ( www.youtube.com/@TheWorldTeacher )

  • @thinkercat2836
    @thinkercat2836 Рік тому +2

    I hope you can share these insights with Jordan Peterson. Still can influence so many for the better.

  • @danielmcdonagh2889
    @danielmcdonagh2889 Рік тому

    Glen I thank you for your biblical wisdom here in untangling Jordans words. God bless your ministry!

  • @newdrug1880
    @newdrug1880 Рік тому +3

    This was honestly profound!

  • @Creature112
    @Creature112 Рік тому +4

    Superb analysis.
    We cannot save ourselves, thank you for this reminder

    • @zootsoot2006
      @zootsoot2006 Рік тому

      Peterson is too much of an egotist to be a believer.

  • @bcatcool
    @bcatcool Рік тому +3

    Im with you brother.

  • @nealc6155
    @nealc6155 Рік тому +3

    Your analysis is excellent. Thank you.

  • @sausie007
    @sausie007 Рік тому +5

    This is my favorite you tube channel. So grateful for the insights you all give.

  • @StevenLeeper
    @StevenLeeper Рік тому +2

    Unfortunately, Jordan, we are unable to "stumble eternally uphill" (51:10ff). We need someone to lift us up. "All my life I have been seeking to climb out of the pit of my besetting sins and I cannot do it and I never will unless a hand is let down to draw me up." Seneca, the Stoic and counselor to Nero, late in his life, not long before he was forced to kill himself. I hope Jordan gets this part of the Story straight, as you are pointing out, Glen. Thank you for your very helpful analysis of this precious, and very helpful man. I am praying for him to see "the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God", as are many.

  • @dgaparker
    @dgaparker Рік тому +4

    Thank you Glen. This was a very helpful reminder for me to remain focused on JC not JP. 🙏🙏🙏

  • @carlosvaz6338
    @carlosvaz6338 Рік тому

    Thanks for this message! It was good to have this moment of discernment.

  • @abigailchoi7563
    @abigailchoi7563 Рік тому +3

    First time viewer here, thank you Glen for the well-put video identifying the merits and shortfalls of the Jordan Peterson train. I was an on and off Catholic now trying to regain/ strengthen my faith, so please do correct me if I am mistaken in any way.
    Personally I am grateful for Jordan Peterson’s insights as he gave me hope in that I could be useful if I so choose: stop wallowing in self-pity and self-righteousness, and start taking up my responsibilities. However, I did recently notice that the longer I adopt this way of thinking, the more I focus on exercising my own strength and less mindful of the source of that strength. I took responsibilities and opportunities onto my shoulder but a lot of the times I still felt small and inept. I kept telling myself I am stronger than I think I am, and strive up and ahead. All these tips from Jordan Peterson are good and encouraging until you start to loose sight of the centre. The fact is, I am small and weak and hopeless, but I am still stronger than I think because GOD guides me and walks alongside me, not because of my own merits. It is a fine line to tread because we do have to step up and utter our own Fiat, voluntarily accept God’s invitation and blessings- if we believe in God but do not act according to God’s will, all are empty words; but if we shoulder all challenges and think we could achieve great things on our own, like what Jordan Peterson was expressing in the Arc conference, we have become arrogant and are trying to play God, which is the reason Heaven and Earth separated in the first place. In my opinion, Jordan Peterson, in his eagerness in pulling people out from their nihilistic and hedonistic ways; and perhaps, in his reluctance in loosing people by delving too deep into Christianity, has created a babelism trap for himself and his avid listeners. This scares me because as Jordan likes to quote “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”. I believe his intentions are good, but I agree with you Glen, that I am not sure where this is going.
    The work of Jordan Peterson has great potential to move in diametrically opposite directions, so let us pray for God’s guidance for ourselves and Jordan, and that we may stay awake enough to recognise when the devil tries to twist the good into evil. God bless all!

  • @eugenev3690
    @eugenev3690 Рік тому +1

    Thank you

  • @rareshb
    @rareshb Рік тому +1

    Thank you so much for this video. It perfectly articulates the reasons for my admiration and frustration with Jordan Peterson.

  • @kitl4745
    @kitl4745 Рік тому

    Yes, Glenn you should have a discussion with Dr. Peterson. I also love to hear Dr. Peterson’s podcast a lot. Your insightful analysis gives me a new perspective to listen to his talks! Love it and give me some alert in listening! Truly we need a disconerning heart!

  • @MTech07
    @MTech07 Рік тому +2

    Your channel is amazing. I’m happy to have found it. I’ll start hearing you often. I found Dr. Jordan Peterson talks in my darkest moments during COVID and he really made a mark on me and I changed my life around with his guidance. I’m little by little starting to look at Orthodoxy. I’m very thankful to him. He has my faithful respect and admiration.

  • @jacolouw3220
    @jacolouw3220 6 місяців тому +1

    Glen, I am not on the Jordan Peterson or Tom Holland train, but on your train. What a phenomenal channel and your content is simply brilliant. Your blending in of history, philosophy, and theology through an evangelistic heart is just great for the heart and mind. Hope this channel grows exponentially. Thank you

    • @SpeakLifeMedia
      @SpeakLifeMedia  6 місяців тому

      Welcome aboard! :-D
      Seriously, very happy to be a blessing

  • @ugo4141
    @ugo4141 Рік тому +1

    Amazing analysis
    So true
    Thank you Glen for enlightening me

  • @ThanhLipke
    @ThanhLipke Рік тому +1

    I am an uneducated person, I mean not much of schooling
    It takes more than 20 years for me to realize that God love, protection , guidance and blessings
    Now, I am a believer and continue working towards faith
    I am so grateful to God for what He has done to my life 🙏❤️

  • @sebastiangaete7479
    @sebastiangaete7479 Рік тому +10

    Absolutely spot on. Thank you Glen you have your head screwed on the right way!

  • @brandabrothers2127
    @brandabrothers2127 Рік тому +6

    The child rearing example is great, it’s true that a child left to its own devices can’t by its own abilities become an adult. The parents condescends to child and comes down to teach the child and to bring the child up, like God who condescends to us to bring us up to Him.

  • @CC-lf7ff
    @CC-lf7ff Рік тому +4

    I just discovered your channel. So good. I appreciate your insights and distinctions. I live JP but have been trying to get clear on hos messages in the light of my Christian faith. You have helped me so much with thisa and your presentation is very balanced, thoughtful, and caring. And your reaction to the ending song was spot on! Thank you!

    • @carlabarry8353
      @carlabarry8353 Рік тому

      Becoming a believer and believing Jesus is God can only be revealed by the Holy spirit...it has nothing to do with intellect.

  • @johannaquinones7473
    @johannaquinones7473 Рік тому +2

    We have to pray for Jordan

  • @lyndaclifton9455
    @lyndaclifton9455 Рік тому +3

    "Meeting with the God who descended from the top and met us in the gutter." Amen

  • @arnoldreijmers3723
    @arnoldreijmers3723 Рік тому +1

    Awesome analysis of the arc conference!! We need Jesus FIRST

  • @monicacooper3240
    @monicacooper3240 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for a really helpful commentary on Jordan Peterson’s speech at the ARC a conference I was drawn to but didn’t follow in its entirety. I pray, Jordan Peterson, that you will encounter the Free, beautiful Grace of Jesus Christ. No striving, no struggling, just receive. He loves us first and we respond to him. Not only that, but when we accept him he gives us his Holy Spirit who begins the process of change, we need so badly in order to serve our “neighbour” and the wider world. Come Lord Jesus we look forward to your encounter with Jordan. Praise your Holy name!

  • @jeanbrown4736
    @jeanbrown4736 Рік тому +3

    I love the picture of God’s love coming down to us. Not us climbing, it is freely given

  • @logancthomas
    @logancthomas Рік тому +1

    I've noticed this in Dr. Peterson as well. I've listened to the majority of what he's said and I think that the message that he has been sharing is good, up to a point. You talk about Grace, and I do think that's the one thing that is missing.
    My journey has taken me to a point where I realised that I didn't like myself very much (or at least that I was treating myself like someone I didn't like), and was instead searching the world for validation and acceptance through various means. I realised that it had to do with Love. Though you and I may use different words, I think there's a deep acceptance that comes with surrendering to actual self-love that doesn't exist in the methods that Peterson describes.
    From what I've felt from him, the inner tyrant and slave still exist in his world view. I've realised for myself, that in order to be whole, one needs to heal the inner tyranny of the self, sacrifice (or let go of) the things that encourage that way of being (which is downright terrifying because the world built on that structure must change and who knows what that even means), and accept the reality of Love that is indivisible.
    For a man with such a big heart, I don't think he's found a way to Love himself yet.

  • @judahonesimus
    @judahonesimus Рік тому +6

    His next book is called We Who Wrestle With God.
    A really fair critique of a man a lot of us love.The Babylon Bee headline about him is quite apt, saying he sees so much in the scriptures apart from what they actually say. Nevertheless, we really need to pray for him that the scales will fall from his eyes, and that like Paul,his zeal shall be redirected towards the true Gospel

    • @SpeakLifeMedia
      @SpeakLifeMedia  Рік тому +5

      Yes I think he’s a lot like Martin Luther prior to conversion - a teacher of the Old Testament who is very aware of the moral nature of the world and the moral failure of humans. His conversion, though, would be revolutionary

    • @petervanrun4626
      @petervanrun4626 Рік тому +2

      I really agree,aren't we all on a road to Damascus journey,as much as I like led Zeppelin, musically,our own efforts to climb to heaven will fall like a... Lead balloon.
      I think for all of us it's a journey transitioning thru the spiritual wildernesses, movin past the old covenant into an area the lord shows us, n strengthens us to be able to move from commands,... Settin the table, maybe to actually possitively eating n drinking the real stuff, believing His promises,we. will keep His commandments thru his power, in seeing some of our battles Jordan points out so much we content wth,he at least writes a great study compendium or concordance etc, in my opinion, we are blessed this podcast is truly benifittal on our journeyin, it's great we have questions,imo

    • @judahonesimus
      @judahonesimus Рік тому

      @@petervanrun4626 I agree.
      And hopefully,he will see the truth of the old covenant too…it was a covenant with people who were chosen already, and was to show the other nations that Israel was God’s chosen people.

  • @SuperBellalucy
    @SuperBellalucy Рік тому +1

    Well, I’ve just discovered the Speak Life channel and enjoyed following your take on the ARC conference. Unfortunately I didn’t attend.
    I’ve been following Jordan Peterson for some years & found him extremely inspiring, not in a messianic way but he’s a person that, to me, has a message which rings true.
    Your comments re the ARC event were respectful and welcome to listen to - they had me thinking which of course is always good. Thank you for this video🌱
    A future UA-cam conversation between you and Jordan would be terrific 😊

  • @will2003michael2003
    @will2003michael2003 Рік тому +20

    I really respect Jorden more then almost anyone alive, as a Christian myself he helped me transition… extremely conflicted ignorant old school fundamental believer, to being being somewhere between that and be a Liberal (not politically). He has really opened my eyes when it came to scripture simply by getting me to look for the message in each story rather then obsessing on facts and details. That said, I don’t know he is a real Christian, I don’t believe in salvation devoid of experience. Knowing the real Christ is life changing and is more necessary the best philosophies. I don’t care if your life is better off following Jesus teachings, if you don’t know him it’s all worthless. But maybe it’s a good start. I have never heard him talk about having a personal salvation experience though he has hinted at it. The reality is I don’t look to him as a spiritual leader, so I don’t think it’s my place to spiritually judge him. I think what he teaches is good as a teacher and practice, but he is not a paster or evangelist. I think that has its place. Thank you for the video.

  • @cliveandersonjr.8758
    @cliveandersonjr.8758 Рік тому

    I thought this was a great commentary on and analysis of Jordan Peterson's speech and his teachings on a whole. I greatly admire Jordan Peterson and what he stands for but as a Christian I do realize that there are some things that he can amend his understanding of. Thank you for this insightful commentary! God Bless! 🙏

  • @leefischer1313
    @leefischer1313 11 місяців тому

    Love what you said about “faith being pulled out of us, not that we push it out!”

  • @shantishanti1949
    @shantishanti1949 Рік тому

    I was born in Manchester UK and my dad called me kid and now in my 60’s my team colleague younger than 30 are referred to by me as KID - they like it. It’s an endearing term. ❤

  • @angeangel1
    @angeangel1 Рік тому +3

    Thank you. I have been praying for JP for a while now. I hope the Holy Spirit reveals Jesus to him.....though my faith is small... We need to pray because JP's testimony of his final submission to Christ would be so powerful

    • @ellejayn
      @ellejayn 11 місяців тому

      Hm, I wonder if we should set up some sort of a prayer chain, or online prayer meeting or something where we all pray for him at the same time. My faith is small too, but I know we are not alone in this prayer. I am constantly reading comments from people that are praying for him to come to the true faith. The power of prayer is real!! a million mustard seeds is formidable!

  • @lynseypearson
    @lynseypearson 7 місяців тому

    Thank you so much for this video. It’s very fair and balanced. I was a huge fan of Jordan’s for many years; I couldn’t get enough of him, and he was a huge part of my journey to Christ. Since becoming Born Again, I find him so far from the cross that I can barely listen to him. I get such a bad feeling about him now, and unfortunately I think he is leading people astray.

  • @eliburges-short2952
    @eliburges-short2952 9 місяців тому

    Thank you Glen, I knew something wasn't quite right about Jordan and you explained it very well. Cheers!

  • @annjes2003
    @annjes2003 Рік тому

    Absolutely incisive Glen! You bring such clarity in these videos! Thanks!

  • @pomyao
    @pomyao Рік тому

    A fascinating and very clearly articulated perspective on Peterson. Thank you.

  • @jon_doran
    @jon_doran Рік тому

    Very good Glen. Thanks for this. Have a chat with Paul Vanderklay - it will be great to listen to the both of you bat it around.

  • @alanlines9673
    @alanlines9673 Рік тому

    Excellent analysis and response to JP. Well done!

  • @izzya8116
    @izzya8116 Рік тому

    This is am incredible video! Thank you!

  • @TheMinisterofDefence
    @TheMinisterofDefence 11 місяців тому

    many others have said this before but every time i hear Petersen speak, the phrase "not far from the kingdom" comes to mind. as Christians we need to Pray for Jordan that he will one day make that leap of faith. i feel like he is the Socrates of his day. i always like to imagine that had Socrates been around in Jesus' day he would also have been "not far from the kingdom". very good video.

  • @jillbarnesdacey9699
    @jillbarnesdacey9699 Рік тому

    Very, very helpful. Thank you

  • @SB_McCollum
    @SB_McCollum Рік тому +1

    Insightful commentary, I needed this. We slip into Peterson's way of thinking so easily, it's a constant fight in our culture to remember that it's not us achieving Jesus' way, it's Him with us, in us.

  • @willvh6273
    @willvh6273 Рік тому +4

    I was glad I watched this critique of ARC, and more importantly of Jordan Peterson’s vision. There’s something Jordan says a fair amount about “not throwing the baby out with the bath water,” and I think that’s a great way approach everything, including what Jordan puts in front of us with ARC. I personally think it’s an amazing movement, since I don’t like the Malthusian or nihilistic rhetoric set before us, but I also think it is good to be cast a critical eye something positive as this so it doesn’t get led astray into what you describe as the Tower of Babel. So thank you for your insight in this video. I would love to see the a conversation with you and him, if at all possible!

  • @CK-fj5ql
    @CK-fj5ql Рік тому +6

    Thank you for bringing Jesus back into the centre.

  • @leefischer1313
    @leefischer1313 11 місяців тому

    This was excellent!

  • @eliakimjosephsophia4542
    @eliakimjosephsophia4542 Рік тому

    Will listen to this later.

  • @andytucker9573
    @andytucker9573 Рік тому +1

    I just discovered you yesterday and found you really insightful and thought provoking. Loved it, subscribed! Keep up the great work for the Kingdom bro ❤

  • @agfairfield8575
    @agfairfield8575 Рік тому +1

    Those “thick lens” and what they are composed of aligns EXACTLY with my analysis as a Christian of Peterson. Recently he completely misunderstood the biblical of sacrifice and in the same video he psychologized the concept of revelation itself. This is to be extremely distant from belief and faith.
    My personal theory about him - FWIW - is that he was more open or searching right after he recovered from health crisis. He was discussing the idea of Christ being the logos with Jonathan P. So he asked Jonathan something along the lines of why did Jonathan have faith…
    now instead of just unashamedly telling JP that Jesus took upon himself the punishment for our sin upon in order to reconcile us to a holy God … Jonathan responded with why he became a Christian symbolist. Oh good grief, I thought.
    Maybe it wasn’t a “missed opportunity” - I can’t look into someone’s heart, but Ihave not seen JP be that transparently seeking since.

  • @peggyoban4069
    @peggyoban4069 Рік тому

    Invaluable background. Thank you!

  • @mattyblakeman863
    @mattyblakeman863 Рік тому +2

    Glen this is fantastic. It's fascinating how what is in essence a works-based salvation from Peterson can seem so deceptively alluring.

    • @efef6853
      @efef6853 Рік тому

      Peterson is preaching Catholicism, a man centered religion. He teaches that you don't need total faith in God to be saved, you can save yourself through works. That's why he invited a Catholic bishop, bishop Barron. Get nervous when you see agents of Catholicism involved in any movements whether they are religious or non-religious movements. Catholicism is counterfeit Christianity, a religion "having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."
      Peterson is preaching the religion of the anti-christ, a man centered religion instead of a God centered faith. We have to be careful that we are not being deceived into accepting errors which are totally opposed to the Bible. We shouldn't be so desperate for role models or allies that we accept anyone who seems to preach teachings that have Christian flavour without actually being Bible based Christianity.
      Isaiah 8:20
      "20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

  • @elaineweiss6405
    @elaineweiss6405 Рік тому

    Thank you! Very helpful!

  • @ablaze4yhwh
    @ablaze4yhwh Рік тому +1

    I want to express my gratitude for the fantastic analysis of Jordan Peterson's speech on this platform. It was the best I've watched so far, and it helped me understand how his ideas align with what God expects from us.
    Initially, I watched his speech and thought it was excellent, but something was missing. However, after watching your video, I can see the shortcomings in Peterson's ideas, and I am a better Christian for it.
    Your video is amazing because it removes the stoicism from Peterson's speech, making it easier to understand from a Christian perspective. It is fascinating how shifting the focus by reversing the direction of things could make the world a better place, closer to the image of God who created us all. Instead of us climbing up Jacob's ladder to meet God, it is God, through Jesus Christ, who comes down to rescue us from our fallen state.
    I am thankful to you and Jordan Peterson for providing a complete speech and overview of the right perspective.

  • @phoebewillow7273
    @phoebewillow7273 Рік тому

    Totally agree with you!

  • @Kierkegaard1813
    @Kierkegaard1813 7 місяців тому

    This is the most trenchant analysis that I have heard on Jordan Peterson, both appreciative and critical as warranted. I will share it with anyone who enthuses about Peterson's messaging. Glen Scrivener's deepest insight is that Peterson has inverted Jacob's ladder, imagining that man ascends to God through striving when the Gospel proclaims otherwise: God descends to man so that man can ascend to God through faith and grace. Scrivener's insight reminds me of what St. Athanasius understood as deification: "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."

  • @SimonRefaloGuitaristOfficial
    @SimonRefaloGuitaristOfficial Рік тому +3

    Thanks Glen for this breakdown. Iam too torn with Jordan Peterson. He helped me so much when i lost my way in my Christian faith. He literally brought me back to the kingdom. For a year or two if i was honest, he became my idol, i watched everything , i shared with my friends and family. But then i realised that i needed to put Christ back in the centre of my life and not JP- so i listen to him less and am trying to keep the bible as my focus. I was saddened that he started arc - while watching it , it felt like a pseudo Christian conference. I know he has a complicated relationship with the church, but it seems like he is trying to create an alternative 'church' , but although there were many Christian speakers at Arc, its not the church, and so my prayer for JP is that he finds a church he can be apart of and find the grace of God in the community. I still love him but I love Jesus a whole lot more.

  • @kennorthunder2428
    @kennorthunder2428 Рік тому

    55:24 That brings so much clarity for me and shows the contrast. Thank you.

  • @sunrhyze
    @sunrhyze Рік тому

    I really enjoyed your conversation with Paul Vander Klay (his channel is the hub of my UA-cam wheel), and now I've added another spoke. Subscribed!

  • @vickycocklin938
    @vickycocklin938 Рік тому +3

    Thank you for your analysis. I know that my problem is often trying to substitute personal relationships with Jesus with knowledge and theology.

  • @kathleencassel1350
    @kathleencassel1350 Рік тому +1

    The love of God “constrains me”. That is the Faith part, the receiving of the love of God in such a way that I believe I can do all things through Christ who lives in me.
    You are so right about the lack of the vertical relationship in the way Peterson presents Christianity. He is such a marvelous master of words, but there is still the need for the Living Word in proclaiming the Jesus message.

  • @pweinbrenner
    @pweinbrenner Рік тому +1

    1) Good analysis. 293 comments, wow! 2) You spoke about Jordan Peterson (JP) and you didn’t mention Carl Jung! 2 out of 3 in your framework is good. 3) JP would make a good LDS (Mormon) speaker. You did relate JP to Pelagianism, or maybe semi-Pelagianism. The grace is there, but it is pixie dust thrown on top of works. 4) This is a great talk on Eph. 2:10, what are the good works that God has prepared for us. 5) We nod in accord with finding our identity in the imago dei, but when I read the news and see our brutality on each other, we are far away from loving our neighbor, and will be until the Light comes on to our identity crisis in not seeing in others imago dei.

  • @joshdrichardson1
    @joshdrichardson1 Рік тому +3

    A brilliant video! Really breaks down JP's theology perfectly. I have warned a number of Christians against falling JP too closely because of his Babelism. I have followed him closely and learnt a ton from him too, but he is not Christ.
    "I know no wholesome fountain but one. I know not a thing worth the buying but Heaven; and my own mind is, if comparison were made between Christ & Heaven, I would sell Heaven with my blessing, and buy Christ." Samuel Rutherford Letter LXXII

  • @emmathomson330
    @emmathomson330 Рік тому

    You nailed it!

  • @jhnisrl
    @jhnisrl Рік тому

    Thank you for this 🙏

  • @mickwhitty20009
    @mickwhitty20009 Рік тому +2

    I would be interested to see what JP thinks of this. I think from what he weighs up I think he would consider it.

  • @jackieperreault4737
    @jackieperreault4737 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for your analysis!
    ARC seems to be trying to propose another utopian vision. It is empty without Jesus Christ.
    Matthew 16
    But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I am?”
    Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
    On this truth, Christ will build His church. He is the only solution to the identity crisis caused by sin.
    Praying for Jordan and many others that are so close yet so far.🙏

  • @metgirl5429
    @metgirl5429 Рік тому

    I am holding on to all the positive encouraging talks podcasts etc
    Church family we are all called to be courageous
    Bearing witness
    Being truthful to all we meet when the opportunity arises
    Thank you for this video
    The ARC must have been amazing to be there 🕊🙏🏻🕊🙏🏻🕊

  • @betapatt8271
    @betapatt8271 Рік тому +4

    I feel exactly like you about JP. So close to the Kingdom, yet so far. I feel like he needs to completely lay aside the lenses through which he reads scripture, without all the psychological and practical lessons he extracts from it, that yes, they are helpful, so that he can read it for what it truly is: the Revealed Word of our Living God.

    • @SpeakLifeMedia
      @SpeakLifeMedia  Рік тому +1

      Yes. And sometimes he does. Sometimes he sees the Bible as the lens through which we should see everything else. This Peterson is far more Christian: ua-cam.com/video/GzSLnXXDIQE/v-deo.htmlsi=-ekTu01nFzK2dQ2l

    • @SuperAngela1226
      @SuperAngela1226 Рік тому

      That is exactly what the Holy Spirit is for. To open the spiritual eyes of the lost… of all of us, and allow us to see that truth. To see our lost condition and to see out on need. To see The truth of salvation by faith in Christ and what she did on the cross.

  • @dac3298
    @dac3298 Рік тому +2

    Jordan Peterson stated at the conference that ‘man despite his flaws is essentially good’. That seems to place him directly at odds with the core of the Christian message. I’d consider him more dangerous than helpful - he’s providing a gutted-out form of Christianity.

  • @siafaau7565
    @siafaau7565 Рік тому

    As Christians we should still be cautious and have godly wisdom and discernment.

  • @samthemacman
    @samthemacman Рік тому +5

    Great content and analysis. Thank you.

  • @gerri49
    @gerri49 Рік тому +2

    I'm so glad of this.I love JP but I've felt uncomfortable with the sense of his message. It does seem.despairing and about struggling alone. I spent most of life like that and it nearly killed me. I know I am here stil because Jesus carried in those darkest moments and thank God he did because I was exhausted and ready to give up . I couldn't have considered climbing up anything anymore. Thank you so much ❤

  • @martarico186
    @martarico186 Рік тому

    So true!!! I feel the same

  • @johnthomson1579
    @johnthomson1579 Рік тому +2

    Thanks Glen. I agree with you and find many points helpful. For JP God is still really just an absolute in the mind. The absolute is shaped in a broadly Christ-like way but he is a Christ/God in the mind not ‘out there’. He lives ‘as if God exists’ but cannot bring himself to say he does exist.

  • @jimbauer2761
    @jimbauer2761 Рік тому +1

    You have to put your own work in to gain wisdom!❤

  • @johannaquinones7473
    @johannaquinones7473 Рік тому +2

    I feel the same way. I love him, as you say he represents the father we all wish we had, the father we needed, a mix of tough love and encouragement, but it scares me to see in his words the idea that Jesus is not needed. We ultimately can reach God and even God status ourselves by our own effort. The whole plan of God, His redemption thru the sacrifice of Jesus is irrelevant.
    I fear that is why he loves the old testament, it shows the human predicament very well, it represents our current dilemma, how far we have strayed, but instead of delving into the hood news of Jesus, he is rewriting a new plan, one that is palatable for all religions, without Christ. This could be disastrous

  • @iwanrobb7865
    @iwanrobb7865 Рік тому

    Super helpful Glen. I often find myself in the same position as you, not knowing if I agree or disagree, or some measure of both, with Peterson. You're so right, and praise God for the truth, that we only ever respond to God's truth, as Abraham is the Babel-reversal. Thanks for helping me thinking through these things. Bless you brother

    • @SpiritualPsychotherapyServices
      @SpiritualPsychotherapyServices Рік тому

      I'm not sure why any thinking person would give heed to the imperfect opinions of some ignorant psychology professor. There are a handful of EXTREMELY wise sages currently on this planet who can logically and completely answer practically any question that an intelligent soul is likely to ask regarding morals and ethics.
      The fact that Jordan supports men buggering each other (by which I mean, that he supports homosexuality and other criminal activities, such as the unnecessary consumption of poor innocent animals) is MORE than sufficient proof that he is not as religious as he claims, and that any decent, holy person ought to shun his inane teachings and flee into the loving arms of a teacher of Truth.
      Furthermore, in a recent interview on Benjamin Shapiro's UA-cam channel, he admitted that his wife figuratively (and I'm sure also LITERALLY) wears the pants in his household. 👖
      I would be more than pleased to provide you with links to the UA-cam channels of a few enlightened beings who will quickly set you on the path to perfection, as opposed to the DELUDED moral subjectivism professed by "Doctor" Peterson (pun not intended).
      Please find below a couple of such ENLIGHTENED masters to which I referred above:
      Professor Alan Watts
      (now deceased, so he doesn't have his own UA-cam channel - just search for his videos on numerous extant channels)
      Swami Sarvapriyananda
      ( ua-cam.com/users/vedantany1894
      or search for "Vivekananda Samiti")
      Jagadguru Svāmī Vegānanda
      ( www.youtube.com/@TheWorldTeacher )

  • @duncanhollands5218
    @duncanhollands5218 Рік тому

    Thanks Glen and @Speak Life That's surely the best Christian commentary I've ever come across on Jordan Peterson. Going to the Epicureans vs Stoics, Babel and Matt 11:28 we're all absolutely perfect. It's art. Great job.

  • @bryanborough3260
    @bryanborough3260 Рік тому

    One of the better commentaries I've listened to. Definitely thinking about the down and out vs. up and out concept. Anyone who can boost my faith in Christ is a friend of mine. Even as little as a mustard seed can bring great miracles. But as we know, faith without works is dead. There does still seem to be a Michaelangelo aspect of reaching both ways. "Draw near unto me and I will draw near unto you." Ask, knock, and seek.
    I also love your admiration and proper praise of the good Jordan is doing for many. I do believe he serves as a stepping stone, but to keep our "spidy senses" alive. Truly enlightening perspective. Thanks for sharing!