Nice to have this video which confirms several impressions I have while using this motor in my Flyer Upstreet5 7.10. From the beginning I felt that pedaling was to easy because I seldom felt a resistance make a real effort. So I reduced the 90Nm to 75Nm in order to feel a certain resistance in pedaling. That was a good decision and I increased the distance up to 150+ kilometers by doing so.To the 4 levels of assistance I made the following experiences: mode Eco is ok when you drive along a river, sometimes you can also change to « off ». Apparently you should mainly use « auto » which you describe as dynamic assistance, that seems ok for me. Sometimes I begin going uphill in « auto », then I change in « standard » because the assistance is steadier. Once I had to change to « high » and I worried that the assistance would not be effective as I had reduced to 75Nm. I was very astonished to notice that I got a real push in climbing, so I do not have to increase the power of the assistance to the initial 90Nm. When I consider the different levels of assistance as 1 eco, 2 standard, 3 auto and 4 high, I often go from 1 to 3 before changing to 2 and sometimes upgrading to 4, which is a little bit annoying although not a big problem. I am very happy with this motor, I even consider to reduce even more the power of the assistance, maybe down to 65Nm, as with my former ebike with a bosch motor.
hey man, great upload, i was wondering if you could answer a question as you seem to know a bit lol, i bought a second hand ebike but without a battery, after i looked at the price over 400 euro for the battery for my model i gave up, my question is the motor is a pedelec Panasonic 250w 26v 10ah, do I need to use the particular Panasonic type fitting or can I build and install a battery another way on that motor or is it even possible (will it blow up) , I cant find anything online and this is a shot in the dark, I would really appreciate your knowledge and help on this, anyway thank you.
I'd like an extreme update of the Panasonic Ultimate. A industry leading light battery(700 watts), and add-to-it all the necessities that Bosch, Shimano, Brose, and Dyname, need-to-improve. As for all brands: Will Honda & possibly Harley-Davidson, enter the E-motor field? Only if the profit is attainable. And most e-bike reviews are by those whom are receiving the same equipment via the company. Nothing but a UA-cam commercial. Very few actual owners, are posting video reviews of e-bikes.
@@EMTBVideos I’m hoping to get a job with flyer in hutwil and I’m doing my research. I also wonder why Panasonic and why not? It seems nobody else works with them. But just maybe the had a exclusive deal with flyer? Also Panasonic is of coarse a brand that should be there and should be tickling the competition. Now it seams they finally arrived. Any thoughts?
I think Pivot had the right idea how to smooth out the Shimano's missing mode: 34 front with a 51 read 12x. You can climb most everything in ECO high. Trail is comfy and I don't think I used boost more than a couple of times in a Month. That said, My CX is useless in ECO, but if my Haibike had a 51 rear instead of the 42, probably the ECO would be similarly useful as on the Pivot. Even if manufacturers don't want the 12x, they could go with a larger (48??) rear and a smaller front, making the ECO useful for something. On my Haibike it is really just the "limping home" option while on my Pivot I use it all the time.
@@EMTBVideos True. If not 4 levels, then they could give us 2 profiles you could switch on the fly. Sometimes I feel I want ECO mid/high and maybe a low trail and low boost..... Frankly I think all the Shimano "levels" work more like the Bosch "EMTB"..... The Bosch ECO/Tour is very linear. But all the 3 Shimano levels are dynamic and they ramp up nicely, mostly at the right time. So I kind of want a 4th level or a "profile select" giving me 2x3 or 3x3, but I am also satisfied with what I have. On the Bosch CX I am missing a Sport + eMTB option to exist at the same time though. I am software engineer and also play with microcontrollers (as a hobby), so one consideration is how much space they have. I don't know if it is a couple calculations, or if they store complex curve data in there. Though I think since they have the 9 levels (eco/trail/boost) x (low/mid/high) already in the computer at the same time, adding a "profile select" would just choose between variations of the 3. So in software that would just add an index, something like profile[0]=(0,0,0) for low, low,low profile[1]=(1,0,3) for mid,low,high .... So I don't think it is a space issue there :O
@@denesk2794 cool idea. I have been playing with the levels in the shimano app but this makes a lot of sense. I have pretty much settled on 0,3,3 (to use your annotation) I only use eco to limp home or of I am planning a long ride that requires maximum range.
@@scottpratico1315 I think I am on high - mid - mid and that works with the giant 51t rear on the Pivot. It is really steep here everywhere. Costa Rican volcanic mountains and tropical heat :) And yep, I think it would be easy to add an extra menu where you can switch profiles.. 2-3 would be perfect. The other strange choice is ANT but not ANT+ ... would be great if cadence and power was sent to my Garmin (Vivoactive 3 currently after a Fenix 3).... Maybe it is some licensing cr@p, but frankly, we are talking about $1000 motors in $5-10K bikes. So if my watch/phone/table can have ANT+, so could my bike...
I collect vintage classic tank bike cruisers. I live in Sydney, AU. Primarily I use my bicycles for cruising on public bike paths and roads. I am however trying to source some smallest mid-electric Drive to accommodate within the mid-section of the frame of my bikes. Is there an e-Motor drive on the market, smallest in size (similar to 'Panasonic GX0 Ultimate' in Specifications) which would allow me to retrofit in mid-section of existing bike frames? The average diameter of chain pedal crank chassis area is 55 mm to retrofit eDrive. ALL comments would be APPRECiATED. Thank You in advance.
Maybe it's the price.....As you explain the motor is " pretty good " so why not other brands using it? What about the drag after the motor decuoples? Is there any?
I don't know unfortunately. I haven't ridden a Panasonic motor since 2019. But I guess it's time they put out a new motor soon, so it's time I got to ride one again!
Nice to have this video which confirms several impressions I have while using this motor in my Flyer Upstreet5 7.10.
From the beginning I felt that pedaling was to easy because I seldom felt a resistance make a real effort. So I reduced the 90Nm to 75Nm in order to feel a certain resistance in pedaling. That was a good decision and I increased the distance up to 150+ kilometers by doing so.To the 4 levels of assistance I made the following experiences: mode Eco is ok when you drive along a river, sometimes you can also change to « off ». Apparently you should mainly use « auto » which you describe as dynamic assistance, that seems ok for me. Sometimes I begin going uphill in « auto », then I change in « standard » because the assistance is steadier. Once I had to change to « high » and I worried that the assistance would not be effective as I had reduced to 75Nm. I was very astonished to notice that I got a real push in climbing, so I do not have to increase the power of the assistance to the initial 90Nm. When I consider the different levels of assistance as 1 eco, 2 standard, 3 auto and 4 high, I often go from 1 to 3 before changing to 2 and sometimes upgrading to 4, which is a little bit annoying although not a big problem. I am very happy with this motor, I even consider to reduce even more the power of the assistance, maybe down to 65Nm, as with my former ebike with a bosch motor.
You do the best emtb reviews.
Scott Pratico i agree. Not a bit of sensaciolism, very honest reviews
EMTB Videos what about the ebike itself? Thank to you buddy!
EMTB Videos thanks. Im subscribed but i miss this one
Like the start up tests you are doing, it really shows up the pick up of the motor to good effect 👍
Can you make a video about the noise specifically?
Those few seconds in this video are not enough to make a judgement.
What a different world you ride in compared to here in Australia where it's hot, dusty and subject to bushfires.
@@EMTBVideos You still ride in very different conditions to us. Wish we had more of your rain! Great review BTW!
@@eScapes1 somewhere in the middle would be nice
hey man, great upload, i was wondering if you could answer a question as you seem to know a bit lol, i bought a second hand ebike but without a battery, after i looked at the price over 400 euro for the battery for my model i gave up, my question is the motor is a pedelec Panasonic 250w 26v 10ah, do I need to use the particular Panasonic type fitting or can I build and install a battery another way on that motor or is it even possible (will it blow up) , I cant find anything online and this is a shot in the dark, I would really appreciate your knowledge and help on this, anyway thank you.
@@EMTBVideos thank you, i bought the bike real cheap so I might just try that,appreciate your reply
I'd like an extreme update of the Panasonic Ultimate. A industry leading light battery(700 watts), and add-to-it all the necessities that Bosch, Shimano, Brose, and Dyname, need-to-improve. As for all brands: Will Honda & possibly Harley-Davidson, enter the E-motor field? Only if the profit is attainable. And most e-bike reviews are by those whom are receiving the same equipment via the company. Nothing but a UA-cam commercial. Very few actual owners, are posting video reviews of e-bikes.
Good review. What about efficiency, is it on par with the other motors? Just read an article where it doesn’t look so good.
@@EMTBVideos I’m hoping to get a job with flyer in hutwil and I’m doing my research. I also wonder why Panasonic and why not? It seems nobody else works with them. But just maybe the had a exclusive deal with flyer? Also Panasonic is of coarse a brand that should be there and should be tickling the competition. Now it seams they finally arrived. Any thoughts?
I think Pivot had the right idea how to smooth out the Shimano's missing mode:
34 front with a 51 read 12x. You can climb most everything in ECO high. Trail is comfy and I don't think I used boost more than a couple of times in a Month.
That said, My CX is useless in ECO, but if my Haibike had a 51 rear instead of the 42, probably the ECO would be similarly useful as on the Pivot.
Even if manufacturers don't want the 12x, they could go with a larger (48??) rear and a smaller front, making the ECO useful for something. On my Haibike it is really just the "limping home" option while on my Pivot I use it all the time.
@@EMTBVideos True. If not 4 levels, then they could give us 2 profiles you could switch on the fly.
Sometimes I feel I want ECO mid/high and maybe a low trail and low boost.....
Frankly I think all the Shimano "levels" work more like the Bosch "EMTB".....
The Bosch ECO/Tour is very linear. But all the 3 Shimano levels are dynamic and they ramp up nicely, mostly at the right time.
So I kind of want a 4th level or a "profile select" giving me 2x3 or 3x3, but I am also satisfied with what I have.
On the Bosch CX I am missing a Sport + eMTB option to exist at the same time though.
I am software engineer and also play with microcontrollers (as a hobby), so one consideration is how much space they have. I don't know if it is a couple calculations, or if they store complex curve data in there. Though I think since they have the 9 levels (eco/trail/boost) x (low/mid/high) already in the computer at the same time, adding a "profile select" would just choose between variations of the 3.
So in software that would just add an index, something like
profile[0]=(0,0,0) for low, low,low
profile[1]=(1,0,3) for mid,low,high ....
So I don't think it is a space issue there :O
@@denesk2794 cool idea. I have been playing with the levels in the shimano app but this makes a lot of sense. I have pretty much settled on 0,3,3 (to use your annotation) I only use eco to limp home or of I am planning a long ride that requires maximum range.
@@scottpratico1315 I think I am on high - mid - mid and that works with the giant 51t rear on the Pivot.
It is really steep here everywhere. Costa Rican volcanic mountains and tropical heat :)
And yep, I think it would be easy to add an extra menu where you can switch profiles.. 2-3 would be perfect.
The other strange choice is ANT but not ANT+ ... would be great if cadence and power was sent to my Garmin (Vivoactive 3 currently after a Fenix 3)....
Maybe it is some licensing cr@p, but frankly, we are talking about $1000 motors in $5-10K bikes. So if my watch/phone/table can have ANT+, so could my bike...
@@denesk2794 I have a Commencal Meta Power HT with 11-42 cassette. Cheap and cheerful but not the best gearing for climbing in eco.
@@scottpratico1315 you can easily swap in a bigger cassette for 80 or so. 11 speed 46 is standard now. But I have seen 48t 11speeds
Flott test!. Hvilke sykler bruker denne motoren?
I collect vintage classic tank bike cruisers. I live in Sydney, AU. Primarily I use my bicycles for cruising on public bike paths and roads. I am however trying to source some smallest mid-electric Drive to accommodate within the mid-section of the frame of my bikes. Is there an e-Motor drive on the market, smallest in size (similar to 'Panasonic GX0 Ultimate' in Specifications) which would allow me to retrofit in mid-section of existing bike frames? The average diameter of chain pedal crank chassis area is 55 mm to retrofit eDrive. ALL comments would be APPRECiATED. Thank You in advance.
@@EMTBVideos Thank You for your advice. Much obliged.
Maybe it's the price.....As you explain the motor is " pretty good " so why not other brands using it?
What about the drag after the motor decuoples? Is there any?
@@EMTBVideos thanks man, as usual great video💪👍
Brake switch is useful to control power quickly, wiht full power mode.
@@EMTBVideos Not braking, just cut power off.
Watching now.
What about Panasonic gx0 compared to ep8?
thanks.
The most important is cost and difficukty kevel for derestricting.
Hi, do you know any android app. to change panasonic ultimate settings e.g torque, max speed etc... thanks in advance for some tips
I don't know unfortunately. I haven't ridden a Panasonic motor since 2019. But I guess it's time they put out a new motor soon, so it's time I got to ride one again!
thanks a lot
Really better than the Brose motor, I doubt it
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