"Ortho films are technically *flawed*" Really? Naw, I don't agree. Orthochromatic films are just an alternative to panchromatic films. Plus, I'd like to point out : ORTHO FILM IS PERFECT FOR BEGINNERS TO FILM DEVELOPING BECAUSE IT CAN BE LOADED UNDER DARK-RED SAFE LIGHT, thus a beginner can at least practice loading reels with this film, then switch to panchromatic film whenever they are comfortable enough to do it in complete darkness.
No film or sensor can render any image the way a person will see it, given the nature of human vision, though film can generally record a broader range, dollar for dollar. Ortho film isn't flawed more than any other device shy of multi-spectra tight band imaging is flawed. It is a choice. Many of the portraits you showed were shot on emulsions blind to anything but blue light. Ortho was a deliberate choice of portrait and nature photographers for much of the 20th century. It still is a good choice for those of us who live in areas with complex green and brown foliage. It can offer finer grain than red sensitive films. X-ray film (orthochromatic) in sheet sizes has been available for decades, and can be bought pre-cut in sizes for film holders.
Well put. Extremely ill informed "review". Extremely oversimplified take on what are essentially different creative tools. It's not a linear scale of "better Vs worse" or "flawed vs non flawed".
@@giuseppeg.8461 Still the users decided in their majority that panchromatic is better. Nobody cares about your dumbish philosphies. Creative tools my ass.
I have used X ray film for decades in my old great format cameras. Cutting the films to match the format in red savelight. I develop in a Fuji RX II machine . The only Problem with X Ray Films: They have an emulsionlayer on both sides. The developing machine works also fine with Illford D 100 4x5 sheetfilm and with multigrade paper for the prints. Intrepids enlarger provides the right light to achive the contras I wish.
Some of my favorite examples of ortho film are the ones from the 1908 Nimrod Expedition. Their chapped, bright red faces are incredibly dark with the films they had available to them.
As someone who backed their Kickstarter what seems like a decade ago with the promise of receiving rolls of film and receiving nothing but “we can’t afford to fulfil our promise to people who gave us money”, Ferrania announcing new/old stock seems like a fresh kick to the balls. I can’t really support them in any capacity. I’m sure I’m not the only one,
Thank you! This is the first place I have seen informing the community about Foma Ortho. I just purchased my first roll of Ilford Ortho (and SFX) and am looking forward to trying it. A buddy has ordered Ferrania Orto and I can't wait to see that.
@@noahvonhatten Yes, maybe i was confused when for example at 1:13 you call these very early emulsions "orthochromatic" (or this is what i understood). Blue (and UV) sensitive emulsions from the early days of photography are called "color-blind", or when the transition was happening they were also called "ordinary" (plates etc).
Technically Ortho+ has been available in sheets forever. The rolls are relatively new. And of course it's odd that p30 is also orthochromatic and shares the same ISO and packaging as the Ilford product.
really nice video and well narrated ! I tried a few rolls of Ilford Ortho-80 a year ago and have found it to be a great film with good contrast, half tone and picturesque grain)
Do you think that the supposed Foma 400 Ortho is a lower ISO film without the halation layer to save on costs (thereby raising the sensitivity, as in Cinestil 800T - Kodak Vision?). I read that Fomapan's principal difference to other film stocks is weak or non existent anti halation, so that's where the assumption is coming from.
@@noahvonhatten can I suggest checking its real ISO speed ? Since Foma is always quite generous with their films speed (Fomapan 400 being an actual 250 for example).
Aperture Dundee, although I’m a dyed in the wool Kodak T max and Tri X use, no other film has given me such joyful results like Ferrania P30. I have another 8 rolls of it frozen. Am looking to source more. Do you expose P30 at 50 or 80 ?
Are there any considerations when metering? A meter sees all light but if not all of it is being recorded on ortho film, I’m thinking the film might be slightly underexposed when the meter says the exposure is perfect.
@@noahvonhatten What advantage brings you developing by sight with a roll film? It does have an advantage with sheet fillm, or every other medium where it is only one exposure, but not with different images, exposed differently developed all at once. It is not a coincidence that compensating developers were developed just at the point in history where roll film came into use. Do Foma or Ferrania produce ortho film in sheet format? As far as I know only Ilford does (or did).
I'm really excited for there to be more orthochromatic stocks out there. Similar to shooting infrared, sometimes you just want a different look.
Ortho film is absolutely gorgeous for landscapes.
"Ortho films are technically *flawed*" Really? Naw, I don't agree. Orthochromatic films are just an alternative to panchromatic films. Plus, I'd like to point out : ORTHO FILM IS PERFECT FOR BEGINNERS TO FILM DEVELOPING BECAUSE IT CAN BE LOADED UNDER DARK-RED SAFE LIGHT, thus a beginner can at least practice loading reels with this film, then switch to panchromatic film whenever they are comfortable enough to do it in complete darkness.
No film or sensor can render any image the way a person will see it, given the nature of human vision, though film can generally record a broader range, dollar for dollar.
Ortho film isn't flawed more than any other device shy of multi-spectra tight band imaging is flawed. It is a choice. Many of the portraits you showed were shot on emulsions blind to anything but blue light. Ortho was a deliberate choice of portrait and nature photographers for much of the 20th century. It still is a good choice for those of us who live in areas with complex green and brown foliage. It can offer finer grain than red sensitive films.
X-ray film (orthochromatic) in sheet sizes has been available for decades, and can be bought pre-cut in sizes for film holders.
Well put. Extremely ill informed "review". Extremely oversimplified take on what are essentially different creative tools. It's not a linear scale of "better Vs worse" or "flawed vs non flawed".
Rarely I read so much bullshit condensed into one place.
@@giuseppeg.8461 Still the users decided in their majority that panchromatic is better. Nobody cares about your dumbish philosphies.
Creative tools my ass.
I have used X ray film for decades in my old great format cameras. Cutting the films to match the format in red savelight. I develop in a Fuji RX II machine . The only Problem with X Ray Films: They have an emulsionlayer on both sides. The developing machine works also fine with Illford D 100 4x5 sheetfilm and with multigrade paper for the prints. Intrepids enlarger provides the right light to achive the contras I wish.
Some of my favorite examples of ortho film are the ones from the 1908 Nimrod Expedition. Their chapped, bright red faces are incredibly dark with the films they had available to them.
As someone who backed their Kickstarter what seems like a decade ago with the promise of receiving rolls of film and receiving nothing but “we can’t afford to fulfil our promise to people who gave us money”, Ferrania announcing new/old stock seems like a fresh kick to the balls. I can’t really support them in any capacity. I’m sure I’m not the only one,
whoa... a fresh kick for sure. that is a bummer, major major. perhaps they could drop you a few rolls now?
Thank you! This is the first place I have seen informing the community about Foma Ortho. I just purchased my first roll of Ilford Ortho (and SFX) and am looking forward to trying it. A buddy has ordered Ferrania Orto and I can't wait to see that.
If i may, very early emulsions were only blue sensitive. Photograhy did not begin with orthochromatic emulsions.
That is what I said, end then I’m 1873 with dye sensitization emulsions became orthochromatic.
@@noahvonhatten Yes, maybe i was confused when for example at 1:13 you call these very early emulsions "orthochromatic" (or this is what i understood). Blue (and UV) sensitive emulsions from the early days of photography are called "color-blind", or when the transition was happening they were also called "ordinary" (plates etc).
man your channel is SOOOOO good. I truly hope it keeps on growing!
Thank you!
Excellent video! Thank you!
Technically Ortho+ has been available in sheets forever. The rolls are relatively new. And of course it's odd that p30 is also orthochromatic and shares the same ISO and packaging as the Ilford product.
really nice video and well narrated ! I tried a few rolls of Ilford Ortho-80 a year ago and have found it to be a great film with good contrast, half tone and picturesque grain)
great video I've been waiting a long time for a new video. it was worth it. great job
if foma makes ortho film in sheets im gonna be a very happy human.
Foma Ortho 400 is out now in 35mm, which makes sense if it really is fine grained.
Great work. I just subbed
Do you think that the supposed Foma 400 Ortho is a lower ISO film without the halation layer to save on costs (thereby raising the sensitivity, as in Cinestil 800T - Kodak Vision?). I read that Fomapan's principal difference to other film stocks is weak or non existent anti halation, so that's where the assumption is coming from.
Currently testing Foma Ortho and yep, I suspect you nailed it ;)
If you get some Ortho 400 for testing please check and see how it responds to push and pull processing.
Sure thing! I plan on doing it as part of my testing for this film as soon as I can
@@noahvonhatten can I suggest checking its real ISO speed ? Since Foma is always quite generous with their films speed (Fomapan 400 being an actual 250 for example).
Great video
Thank you!
Aperture Dundee, although I’m a dyed in the wool Kodak T max and Tri X use, no other film has given me such joyful results like Ferrania P30. I have another 8 rolls of it frozen. Am looking to source more. Do you expose P30 at 50 or 80 ?
I’ve done both, and I tend to prefer the results exposed at 50.
FOMA Ortho 400 is interesting film, but without antihalation layer.
Are there any considerations when metering? A meter sees all light but if not all of it is being recorded on ortho film, I’m thinking the film might be slightly underexposed when the meter says the exposure is perfect.
Would love to try the Ferrania. But unfortunately in Indonesia it's more expensive than Ilford HP5.
Which developer do you recommend using this type of film?
Omg though. High silver films are perfect for reversal
"film stock" - can you please explain what that is?
Antiquitated? Learned a new word. Not an especially useful one, in comparison to ‘antiquated’, but hey!
They do mean different things though; not sure your use was right😊
I didn’t know I had it wrong. English isn’t my first language so, what can I say… mistakes happen. I guess I just learned something new. Thanks!
Experience unlike any other? My green filter beg to differ.
Well… you might have a bit of point. Still, you can develop Ortho films under a deep-red safelight, so there’s that.
@@noahvonhatten What advantage brings you developing by sight with a roll film?
It does have an advantage with sheet fillm, or every other medium where it is only one exposure, but not with different images, exposed differently developed all at once.
It is not a coincidence that compensating developers were developed just at the point in history where roll film came into use.
Do Foma or Ferrania produce ortho film in sheet format? As far as I know only Ilford does (or did).
"Promo SM" 😓