Amazing! 70s French and Canadian Jazz Rock is some of my favorite music, so I've been curious how they get their sound. It sounds somber, exotic, folksy, nostalgic, dramatic, and powerful all at the same time. Your improv hit checked all those boxes. This is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks!
Thank you, great video. I think it makes sense to look at this scale as Dorian #4, the fourth mode of the Harmonic minor. In this particular Gnossienne, Satie chose not to play the 7th degree of the scale, but if you introduce it it will not change the overall sound, as it is not an essential note that gives the scale its particular color. Gnossienne 1 and Gnossienne 4 are based on the same Dorian #4 mode where Satie uses the whole scale, 7th degree included, so I believe it would be fair to say that this mode is what he based his ideas on.
You're a so talented teacher and musician! You're videos are fondamental to escape from the theory by itself, to help FEELING every single interval that you play! You're tone and you're arpeggios are divine!
in my opponent, the best music tutorial is one with lots of music playing instead of talking. yours is a great example. likes the sax playing at the end
I'm not a musician, and I pretty much don't understand any of the theory, but I took an immediate liking to your improv, incredible! You earned my sub!
woah!! absolute best satie video i've watched nd i've pretty much watched all of them, none of them talks about the satie scale! this is fucking brilliant, thanks!
For what it's worth, I'd add in that G and call it Ukrainian Dorian, the 4th mode of the harmonic minor scale. Not quite as popular as the fifth mode, Phrygian-Dominant (used predominantly in Spanish and Jewish/Klezmer music) but a gorgeous sound nonetheless. I feel in the Satie, once it lands on the second chord (the E minor), it still has a pull back towards the A, making it feel like the tonal centre. It does very obviously modulate to the E Ukrainian Dorian/Dorian #11 later on though. Due to the nature of these chords i and II, there's a very natural pull to the v, and I think the trick is for the composer to make the piece feel like it's stable in i (in this case, A), without getting II to feel like a dominant and accidentally modulate to v (in this case, E minor). Opeth's track 'A Fair Judgement' actually does this. It starts out with just A minor and B major and creates a hauntingly beautiful atmosphere (combined with great supporting instrumentation, a distant and filtered piano intro etc). Then about 2 minutes in it finally arrives in E minor, making the Am and B feel more like iv and V in hindsight. It's amazing how we can interpret music, or even a simple chord or two so very differently considering their context. I can go back to the start of A Fair Judgement and feel this mysterious atmosphere, or I can mentally skim ahead and wait for that Em and feel the music differently - with less of an air of mystery yet more of tension, a slow pull towards that eventual tonic.
Yes, that would be the same as the 4th mode of harmonic minor or dorian #4. Do you know if there is a name for this scale in Jewish music? I know that in Arabic music, there is the Hijaz scale which is basically identical to the 5th mode of harmonic minor. Thanks for the info!
With a G# it would become the gypsy or arabic scale. Oh the colors... so great. The "gap" between F# and A sounds so nice. Good improv! And nice video =)
I figure something After practicing this scale for a few moment on guitar fretboard. it's easy to Remember when I remove 3b in a Harmony Minor Scale I will get another Erik Satie Scale. I memorise Melodic Minor Scale by #1，C# D E F G A B＝D melodic minor Scale. I memorise Harmonic Minor Scale by #5, C D E F G# A B＝A Harmonic minor Scale. All depend on C major scale. So when I get these two scales familiar while improvising, it's Easy to combine them into C# D E F G# A B(=D melodic 4# Minor),then remove C# , Another Erik Satie Scale on D。
Jens Larsen has a video where he suggests using the 4th mode of harmonic minor to play over tonic minor 7th chords in modal tunes, so this scale would work in the same exact context, though it would be missing the 7th which is an important chord tone. Still, if you were improvising in the 4th mode of harmonic minor, you could quote a melody from a well-known piece by Satie to get a rise from any Satie fans in the audience.
Hi and thanks again for this brilliant video. I suppose the scale used and played on the saxophone is the A scale transposed to the type of saxophone used, right? Philippe
Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't this just the 4th mode of the Harmonic minor scale? Before I've seen this video, I was already noodling around different modes of the harmonic minor scale. Eventually, I found the 4th mode having this uniquely distinct sound. :) I have heard of Satie's music but never really paid attention to it. I guess now I have something to project on. :) Awesome vid. I love your channel.
@@JazzDuets I see. True true. I didn't pay close attention. I was watching this video in a crowded train with a mask. What a time to live in. Anyway, indeed... That missing 7th seems to add the special sound. Very hard to explain. But I guess ambiguous is about right. Thanks for the response and keep up the good work.
Thanks so much for this. This is identical to the 4th mode of harmonic minor but missing the 7th. At 2:24 you can see the "Satie Scale" in A is the same as E harmonic minor but missing the third (G) which would be the 7th in the 4th mode starting on A.
I think I'm late to the party, but this scale sounds a lot like the Romanian Minor scale, which is a minor scale with a raised 4th and 6th. Basically the exact same thing, except it has a 7.
He reminds me of the infamous Joe Haisishi (not sure about spelling). His music is very similiar but with an extra Persian feeling to his music (Satie)
3:10, that scale sounds soooo good to me, anything but exotic or different, and, yes, I'm Turkish. and a small note, want this kind of stuff more, search for Ilhan Ersahin
it's probably worth mentioning that this scale (Dorian #4) and the other modes of the harmonic minor scale are quite common in Eastern European traditional and folk music, whether Satie knew this I don't know
Sorry.This is Not the 4th mode of the harmonic minor scale. The harmonic minor has 7 notes. This scale has 6 notes. The interval between F# and A is probably the most characteristic thing of this scale. But thanks for this as it has inspired me to make a video about space and less is more etc. Satie left us so much with so little. Cheers!
Cool!! In A it has the sound collection of E harmonic minor with no third. So it's a modal permutation of the scale omitting one important note that could leads you to another tonal center (E), and that is what you don't want. Am I right? @Jazzduets
Es la escala Lidia Disminuida (Lidia menor) omit 7. El 4to modo de la escala Mayor Armónica (1 2 3 4 5 b6 7). Lo cual da como resultado 1 2 b3 #4 5 6 7, pero Satie omitía la 7ma y da ese resultado.
Iván Chávez en ese caso, yo pensaría más en el 4o modo de la menor armónica, dórica #4, ya que asumir la 7 mayor en un acorde menor es algo muy específico y "naturalmente" (aunque sea omitida) la 7a menor es más propia para un acorde menor. Aún así lo que destaca aquí más que nada es el tono y medio entre la 3a y la 4a por lo que es muy atinado que se te haya ocurrido resolver esto con una escala armónica y no me explico por qué en el vídeo no lo comentan, incluso me parece que lo hacen más complicado (raro en este canal). Es sabido que el tipo de armonía que se explotó más en el Impresionismo y otras corrientes derivadas del mismo, fue la armonía modal ¡Saludos!
How beautiful is the sonority of this scale! I would like to know more of his harmonic posibilities. I mean, there is a I minor (add13?) and then a II Major, but, which other chords may appear and what would be its functionality?
If we're not counting suspended/modal triad and only count triads with a root, third and fifth, you can get a diminished chord build from the I, iii, sharp 4 and VI scale degree (Adim, Cdim, D#dim, F#dim, which would explain why you get that prygian dominant vibe ?), but that's pretty much it imo. As you only have 6 scales degrees, you're pretty limited with the number of chords you can generate from it.
Since this scale is the same as the 4th mode of harmonic minor but missing the 3rd, you could use all of the harmony from that scale and play over it with this one. Of course, you would have to be careful to not accidentally sound like you're in the relative harmonic minor scale, so I'd stray away from hanging out on the v chord too much, and definitely don't go from the II chord to the v chord because that would be the same as the V to i chord cadence in harmonic minor and would shift the tonic in the listener's ears.
Amazing content and immediately applicable! I see alot of similarities with the ottoman 'nikriz' mode which is also spelled 1 2 b3 #4 5 6 7/b7 8, also erkan oğur has a great fretless guitar version of this... btw how would you harmonize this scale besides the 2 triads?
NO! It is its own thing, a hexatonic scale, like the Wholetone scale, but with less symmetry (and therefore unlike the diminished scales, with their symmetry). One could say they are related to the mode of the Harmonic System, only missing the 7th scale degree, but that is sort of missing the point; not unlike a case such as one of the modes of the Pentatonic Scale being merely a Major scale without the 4th and 7th degrees.
NO! It is its own thing, a hexatonic scale, like the Wholetone scale, but with less symmetry (and therefore unlike the diminished scales, with their symmetry). One could say they are related to the mode of the Harmonic System, only missing the 7th scale degree, but that is sort of missing the point; not unlike a case such as one of the modes of the Pentatonic Scale being merely a Major scale without the 4th and 7th degrees.
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Amazing! 70s French and Canadian Jazz Rock is some of my favorite music, so I've been curious how they get their sound. It sounds somber, exotic, folksy, nostalgic, dramatic, and powerful all at the same time. Your improv hit checked all those boxes. This is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks!
That sounds cool, what are the bands you’re thinking of?
Thank you, great video. I think it makes sense to look at this scale as Dorian #4, the fourth mode of the Harmonic minor. In this particular Gnossienne, Satie chose not to play the 7th degree of the scale, but if you introduce it it will not change the overall sound, as it is not an essential note that gives the scale its particular color. Gnossienne 1 and Gnossienne 4 are based on the same Dorian #4 mode where Satie uses the whole scale, 7th degree included, so I believe it would be fair to say that this mode is what he based his ideas on.
a hexatonic take on the 4th mode of E harmonic minor. excellent vid.
I loved the favor of the sacale for me is very expressive
You're a so talented teacher and musician! You're videos are fondamental to escape from the theory by itself, to help FEELING every single interval that you play!
You're tone and you're arpeggios are divine!
Your channel deserves way more subs
cheers!
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Thanks so much. Very inspiring, been playing with this scale lately because of this video
in my opponent, the best music tutorial is one with lots of music playing instead of talking. yours is a great example. likes the sax playing at the end
this is like 12 tone but even more indepth and also alot about improv.
love it! its very useful
One of the favorite channel clear, precise and right to the point ! Thank you :)
Completely fantastic! Thank you so much!
Many thanks for the way you are teaching music in particular Erik Satie very colorful music
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This was an amazing breakdown of my favorite composer
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Wow I never heard a minor application like that. Beautiful and dark, mysterious and well put together i am both happy and sad lol
I love this, glad to have stumbled here
Thank you for this amazing and simple explanation!
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I'm not a musician, and I pretty much don't understand any of the theory, but I took an immediate liking to your improv, incredible! You earned my sub!
I love Satie, and his music is so next to jazz... In my opinion. immediate subscription.
Helpful and informative. Thanks 👍
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woah!! absolute best satie video i've watched nd i've pretty much watched all of them, none of them talks about the satie scale! this is fucking brilliant, thanks!
Great Lesson
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For what it's worth, I'd add in that G and call it Ukrainian Dorian, the 4th mode of the harmonic minor scale. Not quite as popular as the fifth mode, Phrygian-Dominant (used predominantly in Spanish and Jewish/Klezmer music) but a gorgeous sound nonetheless. I feel in the Satie, once it lands on the second chord (the E minor), it still has a pull back towards the A, making it feel like the tonal centre. It does very obviously modulate to the E Ukrainian Dorian/Dorian #11 later on though.
Due to the nature of these chords i and II, there's a very natural pull to the v, and I think the trick is for the composer to make the piece feel like it's stable in i (in this case, A), without getting II to feel like a dominant and accidentally modulate to v (in this case, E minor). Opeth's track 'A Fair Judgement' actually does this. It starts out with just A minor and B major and creates a hauntingly beautiful atmosphere (combined with great supporting instrumentation, a distant and filtered piano intro etc). Then about 2 minutes in it finally arrives in E minor, making the Am and B feel more like iv and V in hindsight. It's amazing how we can interpret music, or even a simple chord or two so very differently considering their context. I can go back to the start of A Fair Judgement and feel this mysterious atmosphere, or I can mentally skim ahead and wait for that Em and feel the music differently - with less of an air of mystery yet more of tension, a slow pull towards that eventual tonic.
Thank you for the great tutorial
Great! Congratulations on this very instructive and useful video!
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Thanks for your great video
It’s melodic minor with the tritone moved to the tonic (2 alterations)… sounds lovely.
awsome! !!.... great explanation. this is very helpful. Cheers
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Wow. Really great vid. I never listened to Satie much except for Gymnopedies. Now I'm really gonna check him out. Thanks.😁🎹🎶
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This scale is used in Jewish music with the addition of the b7. Mi Sheberach I think - one of the liturgical modes
Yes, that would be the same as the 4th mode of harmonic minor or dorian #4. Do you know if there is a name for this scale in Jewish music? I know that in Arabic music, there is the Hijaz scale which is basically identical to the 5th mode of harmonic minor. Thanks for the info!
Also called Ukrainian Dorian
yeah i think it's called "klezmer" or something like that...
Thanks. Super.
Very interesting.Thank you.
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Awesome.
With a G# it would become the gypsy or arabic scale. Oh the colors... so great. The "gap" between F# and A sounds so nice. Good improv! And nice video =)
I love Satie.
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Great! Thanks!
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E Minor armonic starting from A user when you play cadenza plagale
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I figure something After practicing this scale for a few moment on guitar fretboard.
it's easy to Remember when I remove 3b in a Harmony Minor Scale I will get another Erik Satie Scale.
I memorise Melodic Minor Scale by #1，C# D E F G A B＝D melodic minor Scale.
I memorise Harmonic Minor Scale by #5, C D E F G# A B＝A Harmonic minor Scale.
All depend on C major scale.
So when I get these two scales familiar while improvising, it's Easy to combine them into C# D E F G# A B(=D melodic 4# Minor),then remove C# , Another Erik Satie Scale on D。
Great colors man!
Excelente, gracias!!!
Jens Larsen has a video where he suggests using the 4th mode of harmonic minor to play over tonic minor 7th chords in modal tunes, so this scale would work in the same exact context, though it would be missing the 7th which is an important chord tone. Still, if you were improvising in the 4th mode of harmonic minor, you could quote a melody from a well-known piece by Satie to get a rise from any Satie fans in the audience.
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I'm late to the party. Love this video!!!! Good stuff!
Great!!!
Hi and thanks again for this brilliant video. I suppose the scale used and played on the saxophone is the A scale transposed to the type of saxophone used, right? Philippe
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Thank you, gonna try this on footprints
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Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't this just the 4th mode of the Harmonic minor scale? Before I've seen this video, I was already noodling around different modes of the harmonic minor scale. Eventually, I found the 4th mode having this uniquely distinct sound. :) I have heard of Satie's music but never really paid attention to it. I guess now I have something to project on. :) Awesome vid. I love your channel.
that modes has 7 notes, this scale has 6. Big thing not having the 7th in the scale, makes the sound ambiguous
@@JazzDuets I see. True true. I didn't pay close attention. I was watching this video in a crowded train with a mask. What a time to live in. Anyway, indeed... That missing 7th seems to add the special sound. Very hard to explain. But I guess ambiguous is about right. Thanks for the response and keep up the good work.
Thank! I fucking love his music
Please record a whole album's worth of jazz Satie.
Thanks so much for this. This is identical to the 4th mode of harmonic minor but missing the 7th. At 2:24 you can see the "Satie Scale" in A is the same as E harmonic minor but missing the third (G) which would be the 7th in the 4th mode starting on A.
I think I'm late to the party, but this scale sounds a lot like the Romanian Minor scale, which is a minor scale with a raised 4th and 6th. Basically the exact same thing, except it has a 7.
He reminds me of the infamous Joe Haisishi (not sure about spelling). His music is very similiar but with an extra Persian feeling to his music (Satie)
True, the way they buld motifs and phrasing is quite similar. But Satie is more on this harmonic minor vibe
Indeed !
3:10, that scale sounds soooo good to me, anything but exotic or different, and, yes, I'm Turkish. and a small note, want this kind of stuff more, search for Ilhan Ersahin
it's probably worth mentioning that this scale (Dorian #4) and the other modes of the harmonic minor scale are quite common in Eastern European traditional and folk music, whether Satie knew this I don't know
Sorry.This is Not the 4th mode of the harmonic minor scale. The harmonic minor has 7 notes. This scale has 6 notes. The interval between F# and A is probably the most characteristic thing of this scale. But thanks for this as it has inspired me to make a video about space and less is more etc. Satie left us so much with so little. Cheers!
Genial
Cool!! In A it has the sound collection of E harmonic minor with no third. So it's a modal permutation of the scale omitting one important note that could leads you to another tonal center (E), and that is what you don't want. Am I right? @Jazzduets
Es la escala Lidia Disminuida (Lidia menor) omit 7. El 4to modo de la escala Mayor Armónica (1 2 3 4 5 b6 7). Lo cual da como resultado 1 2 b3 #4 5 6 7, pero Satie omitía la 7ma y da ese resultado.
Iván Chávez en ese caso, yo pensaría más en el 4o modo de la menor armónica, dórica #4, ya que asumir la 7 mayor en un acorde menor es algo muy específico y "naturalmente" (aunque sea omitida) la 7a menor es más propia para un acorde menor. Aún así lo que destaca aquí más que nada es el tono y medio entre la 3a y la 4a por lo que es muy atinado que se te haya ocurrido resolver esto con una escala armónica y no me explico por qué en el vídeo no lo comentan, incluso me parece que lo hacen más complicado (raro en este canal). Es sabido que el tipo de armonía que se explotó más en el Impresionismo y otras corrientes derivadas del mismo, fue la armonía modal ¡Saludos!
Hay 2 segundas aumentadas, estre la 3 y 4, y la 6 y 1
He explores this scales further as in his triad pair improvisation video part 2
How beautiful is the sonority of this scale! I would like to know more of his harmonic posibilities. I mean, there is a I minor (add13?) and then a II Major, but, which other chords may appear and what would be its functionality?
If we're not counting suspended/modal triad and only count triads with a root, third and fifth, you can get a diminished chord build from the I, iii, sharp 4 and VI scale degree (Adim, Cdim, D#dim, F#dim, which would explain why you get that prygian dominant vibe ?), but that's pretty much it imo. As you only have 6 scales degrees, you're pretty limited with the number of chords you can generate from it.
Since this scale is the same as the 4th mode of harmonic minor but missing the 3rd, you could use all of the harmony from that scale and play over it with this one. Of course, you would have to be careful to not accidentally sound like you're in the relative harmonic minor scale, so I'd stray away from hanging out on the v chord too much, and definitely don't go from the II chord to the v chord because that would be the same as the V to i chord cadence in harmonic minor and would shift the tonic in the listener's ears.
isn't that scale dorian #11, the 4th mode of harmonic minor?
Interesting.
Please share any essential bibliography about Satie’s analysis
Okay.. flat five and major 7th. Thank you.
It reminds me some John Surnam's pieces, like Not love Perhaps
Which recordings of which performers are used in this video? Does anyone happen to know?
Amazing content and immediately applicable! I see alot of similarities with the ottoman 'nikriz' mode which is also spelled 1 2 b3 #4 5 6 7/b7 8, also erkan oğur has a great fretless guitar version of this... btw how would you harmonize this scale besides the 2 triads?
he uses 6 notes, maybe that´s why just 2 triads take the whole scale
What is your name? Are there videos of yourself performing live with other musicians? Thank you!
Really nice lesson. I had a thought though, don't the scale degrees 1 2 b3 #4 5 6 simply describe the Dorian mode of Harmonic Minor?
NO! It is its own thing, a hexatonic scale, like the Wholetone scale, but with less symmetry (and therefore unlike the diminished scales, with their symmetry). One could say they are related to the mode of the Harmonic System, only missing the 7th scale degree, but that is sort of missing the point; not unlike a case such as one of the modes of the Pentatonic Scale being merely a Major scale without the 4th and 7th degrees.
John Cage's 'In a Landscape' and 'Dream' seems to use a different scales "lacking notes" to me
i think of this as H minor a fith abow
George Russell's Lydian Diminished Scale without the 7th.
burning
's got good hand writing.
Dorian #4 the 4th mode of harmonic minor scale sans the m7.
NO! It is its own thing, a hexatonic scale, like the Wholetone scale,
but with less symmetry (and therefore unlike the diminished scales, with
their symmetry). One could say they are related to the mode of the
Harmonic System, only missing the 7th scale degree, but that is sort of
missing the point; not unlike a case such as one of the modes of the
Pentatonic Scale being merely a Major scale without the 4th and 7th
degrees.
Fourth mode of Harmonic Minor
close but no cigar
Omfg YES
If you people love jazz check Jacques loussier trio Satie álbum
its a lydian minor without the 7th