Why Facts Don't Change Minds
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We often get into arguments with one another for millions of different reasons, but how often do we genuinely change the other persons mind? Most times, facts don't change minds. But if facts don't change minds, what does?
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I learned this sentence a while ago "I don't know" and it changed how i argued with others. Sometimes I say it and then truly listen. Because of that sentence people explain their point of view fully and mostly i come to the conclusion we have way more in common then first thought. Learn this sentence and the world will open itself to you.
Great approach!✊🙏☯️
I do not know
Socrates approves
I don't know
ua-cam.com/video/ZbZ4XGKCBf4/v-deo.html Ahem - Council on the Environment shut down in Canada 1868.
Want the Math?
Turtle Island, South America, Australia, South Africa, Atlantic and Pacific Oceans Devoted to a International Service.
The service was terminated in the 1500s.
When these truths where expressed, the White Family had no knowledge of the International Community.
From that point on, it was decided to no longer implement the Red Path.
You can look to the 4 points for reference.
First Nations state our standing on the Current medicine wheel:
Black Red Yellow White
If you where to draw the order starting in South Africa then head to Mi'kma'ki, it would end up drawling a snake, with the head ending in Sweden.
Stating the direction of how and where resources are being misplaced.
This would be in terms of all knowledge being used as a means of negotiation or force.
This Fire is owned by the White Family.
Currently, their trade of the Red Family's Property, the Earth is a very valuable Exchange.
Considering Environmental effects:
Americas, 500 Million Foot Print.
20% = 100 Million People.
The Region can support a foot print of
500 Million People or 400 Million Livestock.
It was decided any excess population values would be considered acts of War.
Bigger you are, the more you burn.
Good Explanation would be the cordyceps.
Basic walls we need to face to actually advance in progress.
As we hit this wall, it is not a good indication we know of its presence.
It's never made sense to me how somebody could see facts but still hold a strong opinion that contradicts the facts.. this video really broke down the whole psychology behind it and now I understand why
It's because people are emotionally based thinkers. Both my really old parents are extremely religious, and won't listen to logic, reason or facts. It's because belief and emotions are more important to them than facts...
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These videos are like an escape from every mundane day, and it really shows a un biased perspective on things that aren't really talked about. Thanks for the videos 😄
Exactly
Unbiased
No such thing as unbiased. Everything is biased
Well, I mean, literally everybody is biased, but I do agree this is an absolutely great job since these principles can apply for absolutely everybody and the arguments the creator of this video puts forward are respectful towards everybody.
@@tawanakombora_19 The earth is flat. I have gone outside i have seen it, it is flat, very flat. You can't change my mind.
Its worth keeping this in mind in both directions; The thesis idea that Facts don't change minds, but people do.
When you surround yourself with people who believe in falsehoods; you render your own self more open to believing those same falsehoods.
That isn't to say that you should separate yourself from them, quite the opposite. But it is something to keep in mind. It can be easy to shift your position a little bit at a time, taking a more neutral stance than one you honestly believed for the sake of belonging or for fear of losing friendships
In all things; Keep your mind open to the possibility that you are mistaken. But be aware of the reasons you believe what you do, and don't let your mind be changed unless those reasons are properly challenged.
If you open your mouth a little wider, you might be able to blow out even more hot air.
Kidding, kidding. Say as much nothing as you like. To your heart's content. I sure am.
@@uglystupidloser Is this sarcastic, to be sure? Are you actually contemptuous of his commentary?
@@danielchan1668 the user name may be a clue? Maphaps? If we could all take a few deep breaths and remember to keep our minds open to the idea that we are mistaken, at least in some capacity, I think we would all live in a kinder, wiser world ♡ And if we all thought more about our reasons for holding a position and defending our belief - in light of the the polarization in the world today, I wish there we more people following the advice in this comment and this video ♡
yeah but you can't deny that almost 100 percent of the arguments taking place never end with someone changing their mind
@@uglystupidloser Your comment is gold. It clearly illustrates, from the comments that follow yours, how no one heeded to the op's advice.
This is why I avoid political discourse all together. People see, hear, and perceive the world how they want to. Period.
8:32 This is why I hate when people say “the science is settled, just trust the scientists and don’t question anything” but the whole point of science is about using hypotheses to learn new information, so it’s never really settled. The reason we’ve come so far is by questioning what we know, so we need to keep doing so. Of course, as in all things, there’s a balance. Question doesn’t mean ignore. If you really wanna find the closest truth to any issue, read research from multiple people, multiple perspectives, and then come to your own conclusion.
I know that scares people. “What if they come to the wrong conclusion? They can’t be trusted to form their own opinion they should just listen to what they’re told” Well I think more people would believe the scientific consensus if they read all perspectives on these types of issues. Trying to prevent people from reading conspiracies might make them just believe that it’s true even further, but encouraging them read the conspiracy along with the scientific research and rebuttal will likely help them to realize the conspiracy is false
I agree with you. The problem is many say do your own research like they did... But their research is watching and parroting a youtuber or corporate media talking point which just validates their beliefs.
Uhhhh. I feel so much emotion coming out from your text (which is just my interpretation, I know).
Are... you frustrated with how people are so willing to ignore scientific literature, rather than trying to review, explore, and discuss it?
Because what helps me keep perspective is the... assumption (for lack of a better word) that all ideas are like religion.
They are survival strategies that individuals have "chosen" to hold onto. It is emotional, it is tribal, it is irrational.
If your ideas or science do not serve their cause they have chosen... it's likely that they won't even want to hear it.
For instance, me telling you this, could be me just talking to a brick wall. Especially if you think that what I'm saying isn't helping you.
And those thoughts come from emotion.
I think it might help you to remember that we are really communicating with emotions, and ideas are just a way we are expressing our emotions to each other.
Sure, people may be idiots, but that's just the road they want to walk down. Aren't we all idiots in each other's eyes anyway?
@@roscojenkins7451 exactly that’s why the emphasis is researching from a wide variety of outputs, not just ones that say what you agree. Hear what all perspectives have to say and then you will either come to the same conclusion but more informed, or you might realize another idea has more credibility than you thought before. Regardless I believe it will bring you closer to the truth, as long as you know and are hopefully somewhat educated in how to research topics
@@uglystupidloser I agree mostly with what you’re talking about, but my main frustration is about people who claim they know the science and cite research from a while ago as the ultimate truth. But the thing with science and information is that it’s always changing and updating. So like you said, it’s like a religion that people hold onto, even after scientists discover new information that may prove the previous theory false. And then usually these same people see others as “idiots” for not “believing the science” even though it’s really the same people who don’t actually understand it, clinging on to old information.
These days, I’m more forgiving of those who want to do what they’re told cause “it’s settled.” People are busy creatures and are bombarded with information all the time.
Is that an excuse? Yeah, of course it is. But IMO people have only so much bandwidth to take in all those perspectives and data. Glad you can happily take your time consider different angles and perspectives. We need more of you.
Very well said. Had a heated political discussion yesterday. Eventually apologized for being too blunt. Needed to hear this. Thanks
Which side were you on
@The lover of your mother it doesn’t
@The lover of your mother just wondering
Yeah. At the end of the day, none of it really matters, doesn't it.
Tribalism and allegiances to factions that don't help us.
We are just the necks they all stand on to rise to power.
And isn't that what we are really supporting? Not ideas, but leaders? Or, at least, the ideas of our leaders?
Tribalism. Anyone know that song by Tool that sings about monkeys fighting over pieces of the ground?
It's funny to think how animalistic all our conflicts are. Territory, if not physical than it is fought in the next frontier: our intellect.
Honestly believe it’s more of an egotistical thing because that’s how we project our insecurities for rejection exception and acceptation. We only believe what we believe because our minds accept only what we want.
Well thats how humans are blueprinted, its simply just how the human mind functions.
that what i was going to type but thanks for conveying tge message.
Exception? As in believing we each consider ourselves special or unique?
And I think you meant "acceptance", but I see what you were going for with the poetic delivery.
That’s what he’s saying. The “ego” wants to be accepted.
"Real change is a change of heart. It is a change in the way you feel about things and a change in the way you see yourself and your life. It is a change not only in perception, but in what you choose to do as a result. That is the real change.
(...)
Without real change, people are entrenched in their position, they are a slave to their behavior and their conditioning, and they try to get along with others who are entrenched in their positions, and who are enslaved to their beliefs and social conditioning. This gives you the world you see-a world of immense personal compromise, a world of immense tension, a world that is undergoing constant stress, and that is casting humanity on a path of self-destruction."
A quote from *Real Change* - a teaching from *The New Message from God*
@oh no Absolutely hate when people spam links to steal other people’s ip’s in the name of God…smh, It’s up too the person themself to listen and read The Bible,Quran,orTorah.
Eh, God clearly cannot exist. This in from a random person, who knows every fact about every thing and couldn't be wrong. Probably.
@@ARatherDapperTapir May you prove too me that “God clearly doesn’t exist” and some random person “knows everything and can’t be wrong” I’d definitely like to hear your point of view
@@amr99912 You must broaden your thinking. Think not of the "Random person" as an individual, but as a collective. The collective knows everything that humanity has discovered, and if it contains all knowledge, must always be correct on some level, if not entirely. The sum of the knowledge to be imparted to you on this day is this: Don't be a dick to others, unless they truly deserve it.
@@ARatherDapperTapir Okay you honestly you need to chill out, I didn’t disrespect you not once. I just wanted you too elaborate on what you mean? And thanks for clearing that up I’m going to assume this collective your talking about is a divine teacher or some short of futuristic computer created too collect all data and knowledge it’s been taught have a great rest of your day
Good video, showed a friend declassified documents and quotes about how the government clearly isn’t looking out for the best of us; and yet I was baffled how he couldn’t see it
Not everyone would agree, and you know what? That’s fine and dandy, no reason to argue right?
@@rohansewdien8086 But objective truth is important and I feel that there is value in showing others that truth. If they ignore it or choose cognitive dissonance over acceptance then that is upsetting right?
We believe what we want to believe. That's how tribes work, that's how religions work, that's how politics work.
That's how we work. We are animals that have evolved and adapted, and our instincts and emotions override rational thought.
Rationality usually falls victim of our judgement and biases. We justify the reasons for the mere reason of protecting the territories that we draw with our minds.
Expecting people to follow logic is only reliable if they are getting something they want from it.
Are we really listening to Aperture to be smarter? Or feel better?
It's a fine line.
@@vitriolveio It could also be seen as a matter of allegiance, of which tribe you belong to.
Cognitive dissonance requires challenging internal working models from an external experience.
People will believe things without evidence. Often. On a mass scale.
And, similarly, people also choose to not believe in things not because it challenges their internal working models but because it doesn't align with the tribe the support.
But I don't think most people reach a point of their internal working models being challenged.
What is more important is authority, consensus, reciprocity, and convenience. It's a balancing act of cost versus benefit, risk versus reward.
What people believe isn't being challenged, but how they interact with society for what they determine is the best survival strategy.
... Not sure if I made a point, let alone a clear one. But this is my take.
Is insanely mind blowing how people trust the government so easy. There have been so many facts reveals about everything they have lied about and yet people choose to trust them.
Here's a rule I always try to follow in life -
Enter an argument with the intention of having your beliefs challenged, not validated
Totally agree. The world would have be a so much better place if this was universally adopted
Speaking of better place, you might want to lookup and watch The Choice Is Ours for the way out of the current mess
It's crazy to me how so many people are unwilling to talk about this honestly, openly, and factually, without skirting around it.
It's the perfect example of the danger of putting feelings over facts, at all costs.
It's not a moral judgment. It's a major health issue.
Yeah, very true.
No, it's human nature. We are not born for rational thinking. Although we do have big brains.
@@BS-bd4xo Yeah, it's saddening to see that we humans have bigger brains than all our wild competitors but still let our animalistic behavior get ahead of us. If we learn to control our animalistic behavior we could have improved more and even saved the world, but the thing is, that is just a dream.
@@user-jt5vi8cm1m if you believe in God then you’ll understand why! Because it says in the Bible.
@@ste4lth147 cmon man, I'm ex-christian. I've even casted out demons back then, seen 'miracles' and even visions from heaven. I even felt the 'Love Of God'. But when I started to look at it from a more unbiased and rational perspective, it starts to fall apart quickly. When I debated with my parents back then, I saw how much logical fallacies there were and even cognitive dissonance. No need brother, I'm fine where I am. When I first questioned Christianity, I felt fear knowing that I may hurt God. But I told myself "Run through the fear. Fight it, if God truly was true, he would want himself to be questioned so that people could prove his existence, right?" then even if I felt fear, I started studying atheism and Christianity alike and started doing debates in my head. Then, I saw atheism was lasting. I was surprised. "This can't be!" Trying to disbelieve it. Then, I debated both sides in my head for hours, and, Christianity completely fell apart. I was shook. And from that time on, I am no longer a Christian. It was weird now that I am atheist and I felt purpose in my life. And also, just because a Book from thousands of years ago said something doesn't mean it's all automatically true. Yes, the Bible maybe the most accurate historical scripture out there, but that doesn't mean the miracles are already true.
I wish everyone who is affected by polarization and tribalism could see this. It opened my eyes to my own behaviors and those of people around me. Thank you, Aperture. You always over deliver in a way that leaves people dumbfounded after the video. I hope you're aware of the positive compounding effect you have on the world.
@Greg LeJacques Elaborate?
@Greg LeJacques that's because you LeJacques are all the same. Last time you ruffled my feathers, you delinquent.
Aperture. The way you have helped me over the last 2 years has been unfathomable. Simply put, Thank you.
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same
Biden reference? 🤔
@@dogeington ohh nice
Haha, he does do a good job being very reassuring.
I came up with this thought in my own time which is similar to yours. If someone feels they are in a group, they will try to match that group the best they can, to keep an identity. If that group does something drastic, they will likely agree, as that is who they are, they are part of that group, and if they try to disagree with that group, the more of that group that agrees with the change, the harder it will be to not change with it, because if they disagree, they will have to re-evaluate a part of their identity.
I wonder if a good idea to change minds is to try to separate them from their group, by saying stuff like "X group is trying to manipulate people like you." (I could be very wrong, this is just me thinking aloud.)
@@spironspirit6502 In a sense, we are all manipulative. We all have information to share and influence one another by exchanging it. One could argue that you would be trying to manipulate the individual in this case, and the other person might feel attacked if you said that to them, but I know what you mean!
I have noticed, in my experience, that discussions with individuals or small groups in private (not on a social platform or where else an audience is expected to be watching) tend to be much more rewarding and productive than discussions with large groups in terms of getting people to change, as groupthink is a very serious challenge.
Yet, I am afraid that most of the time people still go back to their groups and risk being manipulated again, particularly when they have formed a strong identity within said group. Ideally, if this is the case, you might want to single out as many individuals at a time to prime them to think differently about the issue(s), and then maybe propose and have a group discussion about that idea to reaffirm progress or that the idea has been cemented? It makes sense that you would need to get in with the team so that you don’t look like a foolish or dangerous outsider.
Alas, that is just my speculation. Regardless, it will almost certainly take a lot of work and you will need to be seriously invested in guiding change.
@@potts995 I like your style, you admit to not knowing for sure, yet you state what is on your mind, a healthy balance, many tend to just do one or the other, say random nonsense without admitting having no knowledge or just staying out of a conversation that is supposed to get people to think aloud, a balance is between the two, good job!
@@spironspirit6502 Oh believe me, I’m far from perfect and it is a challenging skill that takes time to develop, but I appreciate your kind words nonetheless. Take care, and may you find groups that challenge and uplift you rather than work to bring you down!
It did feel like the group was trying to be more relatable with their reasons for being there. And the old man next to me was emitting strong hate vibes at me. I miss the other group, at least those planted agents were kind of interesting.
Your videos are beautiful and highly informative at the same time. Excellent job
Well... one major thing you seem to be missing is that in a lot of cases, people have "entrenched" themselves into a given position, and the damage to their reputation, credibility and/or social standing is too great to entertain the notion of admitting you have basically been Wrong (sometimes for years on end) and until now vocally advocated a position that you wish to radically change your mind about.
Whenever your argument kind of depends for its correctness on the assumption the other side is "dumb", it is more likely than not that your argument sucks. Most people aren't actually genuinely stupid at all... they are just committed to a certain position that is too costly to abandon, regardless of (more probable) facts.
And interestingly, it is the very same social media (on which many of us profess/establish our positions in one way or another) that then makes it harder to actually change one's mind when new facts come to light that appear more accurate. Ask yourself a simple question - how much more often would you be willing to change your position if you could do it without suffering any damage to your reputation or credibility...? I suspect the answer will be "way more often than I have so far".
This, by the way, may actually be a bigger problem for the "left" or liberal side of the spectrum, because changing their beliefs often in some way or another involves acknowledging that not every "victim" deserves to be helped (and so you basically become a bit more of an "a**hole", broadly speaking)
@@Irresistance Think about it a different way. The left doesn't necessarily think everyone deserves help, but if everyone, at least had shelter, decent food, basic healthcare: just basic things to make their lives seem worth it to them to be better, we would all be safer. Our streets would be cleaner, and everyone's life would be uplifted.
European countries have been doing this for years. They have surpassed us now on nearly everything, including life expectancy. They aren't building more prisons they are finding other uses for those buildings.
I don't like or think we should have political parties or sides. It gives way to going along with a group, division and obstruction to a point of stagnation and destruction. Like we have now.....
I believe, individuals should think on their own and freely speak their minds, discuss issues and vote alone.
In the US we have a very money corrupted system that both parties' representatives are taking a huge part in. But there is one huge difference, one is willing to do anything, including letting us die in huge numbers to keep their money grabbing greedy positions and the other isn't. One is willing to steal their positions by any means and claim from the start the other side is doing the stealing. I don't like either major party, but the right has made it clear they are not for the American people, only their selves. And if we put them back into power, they will never give it up. They will kill any and all that try to take it from them.
*So, please, think of your own loved ones when you say things about what other human beings deserve. and have that decide on who you vote into power. These are far worse and dangerous times than many think. I wish you well.
Bingo! People are not dumb but rather entrenched & the cost of admitting they were wrong is just too big a burden to bare whether it be to their reputation or more ominously (in the case of vaccines for example) the possibility of the decline of their own health or that of someone they love.
@@Irresistance What you say is true, except for the left/liberal part I feel is bias. I could just as easily make the same argument against the "right" being so entrenched in certain beliefs that even when presented with empirical evidence and having no logical defense, will still refuse to acknowledge anything other than the stance they already chose.
@@rbz1 yah, you're right..for instance,take the stance of US's republican party in climate change,gun control, immigration etc..their refusal to believe in the obvious happenings leads to lot of issues..
Your mic sounds SOOOOOOO much better, thank you for fixing it's bass-yness.
Love the content, always have. Keep it up
Great video as always! The more we learn the more we understand that we don't know anything
This reminds me about a show i recently watched about some cultures that still believe in incest even though they have children with horrible genetic problems and the whole world's science tells them how dangerous it is, the older people will NOT change, but there are some of the newer generations that are risking their family hating and disowning them because they don't want to continue the dangerous ideas
Having children in incest is pain bad but Incest without having children is as taboo as gay sex. Change my mind you hypocrites. If people want to have sex with thier siblings who are you to tell them otherwise.
Similarly, you would never tell a woman what to wear yet most in the West doesn't want women in Afghanistan wearing burqas.
@@Sal3600 I'm with u on that incest without having babies part , why can't peeps in a family have sexual pleasure among themselves without reproducing ?
@@Sal3600 Depending on the culture gay sex is pretty taboo,
Also called Darwinism.
@@Sal3600 Eww wtf man supporting Incest
This video is spot on. I'm about to talk to an internet stranger on his discord server about a highly polarized topic and i'm ready to have my mind changed.
Are you a BLM supporter?
@@Sal3600 Well to put it accurately and as non-ideological as possible, i'm agreeing with whatever's good about BLM.
@@loganwolv3393 people who oppose blm are generally racist or have prejudice tendencies, in my experience.
@@charlesmiv3842 In my opinion, there is a major difference between disagreeing with the slogan vs disagreeing with the organization. For example, the "leaders" of BLM have both purchased multi-million dollar mansions. That is where the donated money went.
@@philmckracken6503 So, they're just like everyone else in politics. 😂
I forgot how much I love your videos. It's like meditation and learning, they resonate with the soul 🙏
Facts never change minds, Simply because we’re told what we’ve only been taught and it doesn’t usually seem interesting for the majority of humanity too refactor and consider some things they’ve learned are a complete lie.
@oh no I’m Muslim, However please don’t shove our beliefs down other’s throat’s, Everyone is free too worship and follow whatever they want. Salam
Travelling overseas was one of the ways I realized I thought Americans were better than everyone else.
Kind of a cold wake up to realize I was holding onto a pointless idea. Well, I guess the point was to make myself feel better.
At the end of the day, people are people. Talented, loving, damaged, and all fighting to survive.
A lot of life is lived by believing the lies we tell ourselves. They're what makes us feel better.
Love the idea of a moderator. I’m on my schools mock trial team as a pretrial attorney, and you present your argument to the judge, and the judge asks questions about it to try to trip you up, instead of just yelling at the other side.
Also very useful to have during a combat sparring match. Emotions quickly get out of hand. A strong referee or moderator is important.
Truth is absolute.
Reality keeps on changing.
The only problem, with this, is that so many people believe their opinions to be facts. This is why scepticism should be encouraged.
Is that a fact? Kidding.
I would say people should be encouraged to learn about power. Because isn't that what our opinions are ultimately wielded for?
Expressing our desire for power and control? That way, the argument can finally bypass people thinking facts and skepticism is going to be the end all to win their arguments.
And we could finally see and treat each other as we really are:
Children. Whining, screaming, pushing, biting, lying, cheating, and stealing until we get what we want.
Sorry. Was that too dramatic...?
@@uglystupidloser The term "power" is left to be subjective in your comment. Yes that was way to dramatic. I'm not againct opinions or denying skepticism for mentally useless activities. I use opinions as a mostly temporary replacement to satiate any self conflicts. Opinions should only be shared if you have evidence and can handle counter arguement. Have a mindset that accepts disagreement. That's basically a very short version of my philosophy on opinions.
@@EternityUnknown the thing is if they are trying sooo hard to be skeptical they ended up like the flat earther
@@saysamnang9851 You're right. Thanks for pointing that out to me. Too much skepticism is a closed mind and quite narsassisstic. I shouldn't have used "skepticism" rather "skepticism to an ends means". I meant to encourage research on ones initial opposition in order to side with whichever opinion seems more feasible.
@@EternityUnknown Aren't opinions simply the invisible boundaries that we draw to maintain control of our individual realities?
Aren't we all seeking and relying on tools to help justify our own position the most, and go so far to label it the most noble and pure of truths?
Are our opinions really serving each other, or our own selves?
I think that's what I wanted to say in response to your idea. Your opinion felt very grounded in itself.
I just wanted to give your mental model a push.
I encourage you all to make rational decision. Yeah, I know that it's gonna be hard but it's important. I always try to think before making a decision. Don't let the society or any other thing kill your uniqueness 💎
What a refreshing reminder that people are worth understanding.
Comforting lies and unpleasant truths is what we dealing with
I argue about myopia, more accuracy, MYOPIA PREVENTION.
Then I immediately hit this problem!!
THANK YOU!
"As a rule strong feelings about issues do not emerge from deep understanding." If you could change this one characteristic about mankind it might mean the difference between survival and extinction. In addition we would find ourselves getting along with each other for the first time in human history. It's all possible if we would only do the work.
I have thought about that one feature in human beings and I have come to the same conclusion. I can see how this could end us. "I don't know" or "I'm not sure" should be the appropriate response from most people when it comes to almost all complex social, political, or scientific questions and yet people without the specialized education seem to feel so strongly about issues that they really have no clue about. There's nothing wrong with not knowing something. We are all ignorant about most things.
Imagine a three-way argument where everyone is pointing at everyone else, yelling "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH'".
Maybe you don't have to imagine...
Got it... see there are actually 4 arguments.
The First guy dead, rest arguing over the loot.
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This channel is just a master piece to let you out of mind and think in different way . Keep going ...
Yep, as a person that often spectate for some heat debate in anything, this has help me to actually understand both sides. well, i hope i can be more wise with this new information
This is one of the many things about humanity that really pisses me off. I know I'm not immune to this, but I do try to keep my mind open and consider all aspects of an argument. When people refuse to look at facts because they're emotional I just wanna shake them and tell them to shut the fuck up.
You gotta have patience
The world isn't always easy to go by
@Greg LeJacques agreeable
Great video, solid points about the way we think and debate others. For that past two years i have been following Anthony Magnabosco in his quest to make Street Epistemology a thing. Its a conversation method based on the Socratic Method, and is generaly used to find out why people believe what they believe. I found it fascinating to see some of his conversations on youtube with people on any subject. Best thing about the method is that the interlocker really doesnt need to be knowligebale about the subject, the questions you ask realy dont go into the depth subject but are more aimed at the reasoning behind why the person finds the source trustworthy.
I love when you make snippets of philosophical discussion like this once in a while 👌
To the *worthwhile person* seeing this, your dream is not dead. Don’t allow the past and current pains and hurts stop and define you. You’re more than a conqueror. Rise up and put yourself together. Keep pushing your future depends on it. I wish you all the best in life ❤️.
You said that very well. Although there are two specific moments where I remember where people changed my mind on political topics.
There is something about this content, it's all u would ever need, great work and keep it up
I don't need to "believe" climate change, I can see that the climate has changed, it was different from when I was a child. That's a fact that I can see every day.
All facts are essentially derived from a belief. If you directly measure a door with a measuring stick you have faith and belief that the stick is accurate to the information it provides. Humans being made up of sensory organs make us believe that reality is what we experience.
@@EternityUnknownWe can not individually know everything, so there's still is a leap of faith somewhere. However Climate change is in a different category of facts. Scientific facts need to be verifiable by replicating method of measurements and proving with numbers that they adhere to scientific consensus. personal beliefs are either life wisdom or social decided truths based on peer pressure. It is equally wrong to say you believe in climate change as to say you believe Earth is round. Scientific facts are never about belief or being convinced by claims alone. Then Science is just reduced to which authority you find the most compelling, which makes it too easy for our politicians. However being minimally scientific literate, you get a pretty good idea of what claimed science adheres to consensus and what does not, and it doesn't hurt to read a scientific paper on something you find too incredible, to judge if it is science or not.
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Yea but it's not like all gas vehicles should be banned immediately because people work hard for the things they get and if all of the sudden leaders say that their stuff they worked hard to get are banned because some arbitrary animal on the other side of world might have to move 2 miles to a cooler spot in 5 years and people should get the money back for their stuff they either can't own or use or it should be replaced by the government for free or just they should continue to use it because people have to work for everything so they shouldn't have it taken away or the ability to use it for future proofing that has effects only after the world has been destroyed by war a few years later
No one denies that climate is changing. The question is if its by CO2 or if there is something else, like f.e. solar cycles. Also, you need to see what interests are at play, who is pushing X or Y narrative, who funds the studies, who is being censored, etc.
That's where I change people's mind by giving them personal experience. I'm not one to argue but to SHOW
How I see this is, you can't convince people with facts but what they feel, their hearts.
That's the thing about an argument, a debate, etc. It isn't about the Facts, the Logic, or the Rationale. Those all come second to someones ability to even care. No matter how right you are, it will never matter if the other person doesn't give a shit, no matter how much you tell yourself otherwise.
Every conversation I have I try to completey remove beliefs and what "I think" and simply go by logic and data but pretty much everyone is the complete opposite. I hate talking to people because I hate feelings. Feelings interfere with logic. Feelings interfere with common sense.
But feelings keep us motivated feelings is keeping u mad at feelings it goes full circle
Always liked your vids, your voice especially!
Yea, his voice is very relaxing
truly intelligent people keep an open mind and admit when they are wrong, and listen to the other side of the debate.
exactly.
Skeptics also ask questions, but a big difference between skeptics and denialists is that skeptics listen to answers and regard evidence as paramount. Denialists tend to see the piles of evidence against their claim, and see a conspiracy theory to perpetuate a hoax. But skeptics accept good evidence. Skeptics have a lot of respect for science, and denialists are usually out to undermine scientists working in the field where they have an agenda. Denialists will wear the costume of scientific thinking, but they usually show a piss-poor understanding how … the accumulation of studies and data work. (For instance, they promote the idea that if one study can be found to be flawed, this brings down the whole theory, as if the other hundreds of studies don't count.)
This distinction is really important, because the role of skeptics is to dispute and even disprove outrageous conspiracy theory claims. Skeptics fight against denialists. That’s why I'm interested in skepticism - I fear that there's a surge of denialist thinking in our culture fueled by new media (which is great at a lot of good things, but also good at spreading misinformation) and the explosion in both complications in world politics and the everyday person's awareness of them. As science begins to dictate more and more of what we know, there's also a cultural backlash that's related to the overall backlash against modernism. Skepticism is becoming more and more important as the political troops to defend science. So when people who are part of the anti-science backlash call themselves "skeptics," this confuses the issue.
You won't find many in the universities 😢
@@marsa7600The Climate Change Cult is a religion of its own 😓🙄
It's true, facts don't change minds, that's why I keep egging people on until they break, and then mock them
You know you're right when you practice what you teach, when you're a vivid example of your own theories, because your culture cannot be separated from your reality. One must BE what one KNOWS. Such unified personally are much more convincing because they ARE what they teach. That's why politicians can manipulate emotions and buy consciences, but they rarely truly convince others, because they almost never do what they say, or make the sacrifices they ask others to do.
It's so true... my mom believes this weird religion, and no matter how much I show her the facts, she declines to believe it, saying that I'm the one who is in conspiracy theory... ofc I've considered that scenario, but I also couldn't get out of my thinking... AAAAARGH!!!
I know the feeling
What religion, if I may ask?
Don’t try to make believers in religion what they’ve been taught become nonbelievers, Because it’s simply not that simple. People are free to choose and believe whatever makes sense to them most.
And there are facts proving religion over the course of hundreds of years just because you think something doesn’t exist doesn’t mean it doesn’t and the other way around it’s all on if the person wants to believe in a god or not to believe hey maybe you die and it’s black forever or there’s a heaven or hell or reincarnation it just depends on what you want and what you believe
What religion?
The voice from your S and C's are stuck in my mind !
Actually for my last trip before covid, I had the same fear about the 738 max. I was ready to cancel the whole thing if that was the only plane available. Had I not have kids, I would not have feared so much.
4:20 would be relevant to know if participants still saw both photos or just the one they picked, as having no point of comparison can just led to them believing they see their picture, but the differences are to small. Which would make the study inconclusive.
ua-cam.com/video/ZbZ4XGKCBf4/v-deo.html Ahem - Council on the Environment shut down in Canada 1868.
Want the Math?
Turtle Island, South America, Australia, South Africa, Atlantic and Pacific Oceans Devoted to a International Service.
The service was terminated in the 1500s.
When these truths where expressed, the White Family had no knowledge of the International Community.
From that point on, it was decided to no longer implement the Red Path.
You can look to the 4 points for reference.
First Nations state our standing on the Current medicine wheel:
Black Red Yellow White
If you where to draw the order starting in South Africa then head to Mi'kma'ki, it would end up drawling a snake, with the head ending in Sweden.
Stating the direction of how and where resources are being misplaced.
This would be in terms of all knowledge being used as a means of negotiation or force.
This Fire is owned by the White Family.
Currently, their trade of the Red Family's Property, the Earth is a very valuable Exchange.
Considering Environmental effects:
Americas, 500 Million Foot Print.
20% = 100 Million People.
The Region can support a foot print of
500 Million People or 400 Million Livestock.
It was decided any excess population values would be considered acts of War.
Bigger you are, the more you burn.
Good Explanation would be the cordyceps.
Basic walls we need to face to actually advance in progress.
As we hit this wall, it is not a good indication we know of its presence.
Wow. That's truly incredible.
That's why the street epistemology approach for debating religious people is the best approach. 👍
Many people arguing about a topic are unaware of what they’re supporting. Think of the people who defend Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk. They have this idea that they will become rich one day (even if it’s statistically unlikely), so they think billionaires should be able to do whatever they want. What they don’t realize is such practices are hurting them right now.
I am here again, begging this guy to create his own podcast. PLEASE I NEED TO LISTEN TO YOU WHILE I AM DOING LITERALLY EVERYTHING.
1. We always think I am correct . When I am wrong ,it is past my self. Current self knows the mistake hence correct .
2. When we argue .idea that I defend becomes me. I am defending myself not the idea. I am not defending a political party ,only me
Where was this video when I had to write an essay about how emotional persuasion is more effective than using facts to persuade (pathos vs logos)
Thank you for all these amazing videos man!
I always side with reason over dogmatism. It's dispicable that anyone else wouldn't do the same.
When l dropped out of college... I knew l had to negotiate for everything inorder to be successful.. So I picked the book called, how to split the difference... Convincing people with facts became easy
Basically: Ego.
Indeed, this video changed me and I ain't complaning. Great content!
Aren't facts created by people? Idk how much it's relevant to the conversation, but it feels enough to point out.
Yes they are. Nobody really knows the entire truth, at best most of us just know half truths. We currently hold a lot of beliefs that are regarded as "facts" by the scientific community or majority of people that people 200 years from now will laugh at. Always been that way, and always will be. We might get very close to the truth but we won't actually reach it. 200 years ago many people in the scientific, medical and whatever community regarded things as "facts" that are simply laughed at nowadays and people say "How could've anyone believed that shit", same thing will happen 200 years from now when our descendants will look down upon us as less intelligent and less worthy than them, and this cycle will continue as long as recorded history and civilization exists.
This video is an absolute gem.
Not sure who said this, but: "Facts and truth have the annoying habit of persisting throughout time, no matter what."
I think another problem is that we've all heard of the quote "it's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but dam near impossible to win one against a dumb person" or a variation of that.
The problem is that both sides see it this way, no side would of course claim to be the dumb side so both sides see themselves as the smart side. But now who's the dumb one?
A lot of quotes and arguments have this problem, the problem of "the other side is wrong/stupid so everything favors me".
what sucks is when you argue with a person that clearly can't grasp the concept of what you're saying and their counter-argument has no bearing on what you said and no real defense of their position lol.
Just remember,
No matter how much you want them to,
Your feelings have no bearing on facts.
Even if you say it loudly over and over.
WHAT ABOUT WRITING IN ALL CAPS? DOES THAT MAKE IT MORE VALID???
@@roderickcortez138 nah
While I agree with the thesis (Facts don’t change minds; People do) there are some points brought forward that I disagree with, and some important points that are ignored completely. For one thing (and I’ll apologize in advance for the length of this post) the idea was presented that people have more facts than ever before, yet we are more polarized than ever before. Well, this is half true. In America, I see more polarization, yes. On the other hand, I see few ‘facts’; what I tend to see are a plethora of opinions masquerading as facts. I see this in the newspaper articles, internet, magazines, and of course, UA-cam. That is scary, and that is a primary reason (among others) why we have polarization. I am not seeing people on either side of a set of facts; I’m seeing certain issues forced to the front of a lot of other issues, pushed into the faces of Americans, in an attempt to obfuscate facts and sway opinions.
For instance, COVID takes precedence as a factor in our mortality statistics; however, little is discussed about our many other problems, which I personally feel are more important, such as the rise in illiteracy amongst the ‘educated’. I’m tired of seeing misspellings or bad grammar or poor reasoning presented in “authoritative” articles. It’s almost commonplace, and it’s indicitive of the massive problems with our education system as a whole that have been quietly been swept under the political rug for decades. Or what about the spike in violence across America, in almost every venue (now a huge problem in the airlines industry) even as gun control laws are the most stringent in American history? There is a strong push in the media to limit guns even more, but in other countries where this has been done violence hasn’t slowed.
It’s people (not guns, or knives, or automobiles, or irrational, polarizing rhetoric) that are dangerous. But we aren’t, as a nation, going to see any viable, worthwhile solutions when there is such a strong push to block some ideas and influence our thoughts (via the internet, primarily) while simultaneously downgrading the quality of education in our public school systems. In America, we have a situation where there is absolutely NO accountability for our media sources. The idea behind free speech, according to Thomas Jefferson and the majority of our founding fathers, was that educated, rational people could easily sort through presented ideas and discard the worthless and/or irrelevant. This is one of the reasons for Jefferson’s support of a public education system. (That, and to help erode the class system that was - and still is - prevelant.) Well, if we don’t teach Americans how to reason anymore (and we don’t) and yet, we have thousands of conflicting ideas screaming at us through television and internet (where people spend hours every day) then… yes, we can’t even agree on what facts are ‘facts’, because frankly it becomes almost impossible to determine what is true and what is propaganda. People will instinctively side with the information that they feel most comfortable with, and they will support it, NOT in an effort to belong to a group, necessarily, but rather out of sheer human laziness and cowardice. It’s much easier to go with the flow then to take the effort to sort through data, learn the truth, and then make a stand. Most people just don’t have the will or the mindset to be a free people. That’s sad, but look around you. What do you see?
For instance, I was once in an argument with someone re: the affect of sugar on children. My opponent was a highly-educated school teacher who went to the internet and quickly pulled three studies from the internet that backed her opinion that sugar does NOT have a major influence on children’s behavior or their ability to learn. I read those studies and found a couple of more. The two I found took a long time to unearth, but they involved much larger groups of children (I believe over 100 times more) than the studies my opponent had produced, and they indicated an enormous change in children’s brain chemistry when sugar was introduced, along with a host of behavior issues. Of the three studies that the other teacher had found, one wasn’t really a true scientific ’study’; it had a very small population of children in the study (less than 100) and it cited the first study she had found as further ‘proof’ of it’s findings. THAT study was funded by Hershey’s Chocolate, which also had a SMALL population of children participating, so…. I’m thinking that my material was more pertinent (larger studies) and the findings more accurate (sugar definitely causes behavior issues in most teen/preteen students) than what she had discovered in a brief search on the internet. Also, those studies supported my empirical-based findings. (Believe me, you don’t teach much the day after Halloween.)
What really got to me, though, was that I spent a week reading through the materials she had presented (basically all she had were just links to the studies) and then reading the links within the studies. Most of the material she had was worthless, but she hadn’t even bothered to investigate/evaluate the information. It matched her opinion; that was all that mattered. (Once I proved this, she was very embarrassed and angry - rarely spoke to me again, and only when she had to. That was the only good thing to come out of this incident.) Unfortunately, I don’t think that this incident caused her to change, or even question, her reasoning processes, nor did it change her view: sugar is okay for kids to ingest; it doesn’t cause any major changes to their behavior.
This is a SIGNIFICANT problem: even IF you have a slew of incontrovertible, proven, investigated and authenticated FACTS, you still can’t get people, even highly-educated people, to adopt a different opinion or attitude if they are unwilling to change. It just won’t happen. And, given that we live in a world where false ‘facts’ and strong opinions are shoveled down the media streams by the ton every moment, it is unlikely that we’re ever going to see the American government (or the world situation) grow better or stronger, because these two entitites rely on people to support them, and if the American people are kept fractured and misinformed, we’re basically all sitting on a broken foundation that is disintegrating steadily. Eventually, this house will collapse.
Hooman nature :)
Excellent post man, I really dug it. We must be related because we think a lot alike. You have shown a superb use of questioning ability and critical thinking skills, something I also do. I also understand that I am not correct about everything I believe, which is the actual key to being smart. You have to question everybody, including yourself.
The people who control the world, or are attempting to do so don't like people like me and you. They use people's natural tendency to think like each other against them to divide, conquer and fool them.
I believe in two quotes attributed to Mark Twain:
"It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled", and "I never let schooling get in the way of my education".
One really interesting example of this is sports. Its crazy to see all the horrible takes people have based on the city they were born in
I swear this channel makes a video for all the things that i have noticed happened
Ever since I heard of the Backfire Effect, I don't bother trying to change people's minds. Every time I tried, I failed. The only thing I got was vitriol and condescension from the other party.
A phone is contaminated that a toilet seat but which item has more dangerous bacteria?
Although there might be far larger number pathogens on a phone, I reckon the pathogens on the toilet seat are more aggressive?
That ending was so perfect
Speaking of "Illusion of explanatory depth" I think it would really help if you posted your sources for these videos. They're very nicely produced, but I have to say it does a disservice to cite as many studies as you do without posting sources. At the least, it makes them appear ill-researched and unreliable. At the extreme, it looks as though you're perpetuating exactly what this video is about.
Or you can do your own research.
"It's hard to change the minds of others"
"Uhm source???"
Your voice is soothing,I love watching this channel I'm learning a lot .
Great video!
I try to challenge myself everyday. I went through a crazy realization back in 2020
This says a lot about society…
and yet, we live in one.
Ima just talk a little about politics (not that deep tho)
I used to be conservative even a year ago i was. but then i looked at some more things and changed my political stance to liberal. It was hard at first to change. I didnt want to but after time i slowly did. Ive changed a lot as a person since then. What scares me most about it is my family's reaction to it tho. I mean who knew that something like that could probably change their view of me. i don't know if ill tell them in a while but just something that i do think is interesting.
Congratulations on bein open minded. Part of being American is to be able to choose. Also it does not mean having to stick to one party, as that is close-minded. Look at it as choosing the rite person for the job due to social,morals,economical times,climate,atmosphere etc etc. As I have went bk n forth over many years between parties with that attitude. And over all go with your heart & what you think will help them children you pass every day have it a lil bit better than we did... (Side Note: Those political people all get paid by the same person & are of the same coin. (😒If u kn what I mean) And unfortunately there human😅
I was a liberal until my eyes were opened about how government lies and does not care about us...now I'm a libertarian.
I had been very liberal as far back as I can remember. But over the last few years, I have become much more conservative.
Facts do change minds, of those who are open minded. I'm amazed you could talk about this subject and not mention open and close mindedness.
Open and close mindedness is relevant to how much someone already knows and if they have a strong opinion about it. It isn't an all around personality trait.
Facts will change my mind every time, if they are proved to me or even just have more leverage than mine. But I don't tie my identity to other people or things. I'm just me and I think free from groups.
@@thowl7065 this!
I'm so glad I've never had these kinds of pointless fears, or worries. if people don't like me, that's their problem I accept people of all kinds and view points cuz i like to learn and explore things. i hope you all find people who accept you for you but i also hope you don't close yourself off from those who don't just cuz you have differing opinions.
Brilliant! That's why you should subscribe to the whole humanity as the group you belong to. Then there's no danger of feeling like you don't belong.
Mad how 6:29 is here, 13 days the invasion happens, and we have the same people who know fuckall calling for no flight zones, escalation, etc etc.
Get well soon Aperture. Great video as always.
Thank you.
I really believe that this dude should create his own podcast.
....His own country!
Great video!
However, had some conflicting feelings about the statements on climate change.
I like to see myself as rational and driven by facts more than feelings, which ironically is part of the issue here, and makes it even more confusing.
So, a lot of data point to humans having way less influence on climate change than originally reported, and that much of the assumptions about our roll in the evolving climate are based on models that completely lack the precision needed to clame anything at all unfortunately.
Other than factual calculations on carbon pollution, predictions about the future seems somewhat like fumbling in the dark, especially when taking the past into account.
Based on this, my stance on climate change is very neutral, and I often tune out any extreme opinions voiced on this.
But, am I fooling myself!?
The way you talked about it made me think I somehow belong in the camp that is blinded by their own thoughts... which would be a bit sad to say the least.
Have I been compromised, or could it be something else? 😜
Anyway, again, great video!
Very much enjoyed it 👍
That's because Aperture is blinded by his determined thoughts. Young people like him make this mistake all of the time. I think this way of thinking comes from too much trust in our authorities, which young people seem to always value too much.
I'm a lot like you, I'm pretty neutral when it comes to global warming. I don't see it changing as much as the warnings tell us, but I am also an environmentalist at heart and don't want to spoil our beautiful planet for everybody or everything.
This video, Aperture is obviously blinded by his political leanings. He's very smart, but young and inexperienced. He does not understand the true nature of people who will lie, push propaganda and do anything they can to gain control.
People in charge love to use fear to accomplish this.
You are more grounded than Aperture is, and understand the real world better. Good man
“The Death of Expertise” by Tom Nichols
Everyone already has their mind made up coming into disagreements especially on topics they have strong feeling's on and everybody no matter how logical they seem always will succumb to emotion and prior conditioning from their home/society.
The best way to change someones mind is to understand it.
This channel is my black pill.
This guy is just so interesting to listen to... Thanks for the video❤️🙏
People believe what they believe because it makes them feel good.
"Facts don't change minds" feels too much like an Instagram meme
You're missing the punchline: "People do."
What does this mean to you? As content flashing on a screen, trying not to be drowned out be a sea of digitized egos?
Or an oasis, where the screaming fades away. The fire welcomes you. It lets you catch your breath.
... What am I even talking about?
This was a nice one. Good job aperture :)
People have more access to knowledge than ever before, but the ratio of signal to noise has also never been skewed quite this much.
Lots of love from Jinja, Uganda
Great video, well researched and created, thank you for sharing it.
Truth does not matter to peoples as we view things though own “truth”. That’s life and all of us do that.
I don't think the monks do. That's their training.
Aka the black and lived experience lmaooo
We are living through the inevitable result of decades of prioritising people's subjective feelings, over objective facts.