I voted Jill Stein. I voted my conscience, instead of some Trump fear. The Clintons have grown rich pretending to care about us. The democratic party has become a sick corporate monster.
edy kubiak I admire your bravery, Yet at the Presidential Level it is the Conservative we can defeat with liberalism, versus a Conservative we cannot. If we could sway her like a Tea Partiest could sway Obama, we have a chance of controlling said conservative. The other candidate beholden to billionaires won't listen to us, no matter how loud we shout, he would squash us, because he is apart of the billionaire corporate class. He would squash us then dance to some faded false ideal of our vision, while he dances on our shackled corpses, while the bombs fall to destroy our nation. The True America won't be until after our nation is a smoldering pile of ash. In your shoes, I would rather vote Jill Stein for Representative and we as a collective citizenry deny her a majority over her congress just as you deny the other such luxury. By doing this, you force the leadership to compromise on agendas, You force established parties to form alliances with you. But you must operate as a collective body toward the head. It may be too late to do this though America may have to spend 100 years as the worlds second class citizen to the unified world. I prey that this fate either matches that of the French Revolution or like the Axis Powers, where the nation dies and the other nations treat us as to kill the American, save the person. Third Parties can only work from the bottom up.
Accelerationist The parties in congress would have treated a Stein Presidency just like they treated Obama, with resistance, and efforts to impeach. She would need a majority or a large number of Greens in Congress.
I'd love to see Thomas Frank get a greater following and access to the "Mainstream", he is not just a great voice of Reason and truth, but has a great sense of humor to, we desperately need more voices like his coming to the fore.
Even a lousy candidate could win if they at least pick the right staff, but Hillary went with old Clinton family cronies who were too accustomed to bowing and scraping to her highness to tell her when she was wrong, or even bring her bad news like she was losing in he rust belt and needed to put more effort there. Sanders people tried to tell her, tried to help in Wisconsin, and were shut down by Hillary's minions who would not pass the information on to the inner circle. They "knew" they were winning and were not going to share or give on anything.
I hate how this guy keeps insisting Bernie over promised. Universal Healthcare is cheaper, it would be cheaper in the long run to give our citizens free education, the government would get back 7 dollars for every one dollar spent on education. It's cheaper to switch to green energy, Hemp is illegal for no reason you can't get high on it, Hemp can do everything lumber, oil and cotton can do with less land, time and no pollution. A Jobs program with a living wage would save the economy, poor people need things and they'll spend the money and keep it moving through the country.
Ghost Assassin Typical Republican. I wish she stayed there, She would be more comfortable among her own kind, the only reason she left was half about Vietnam, but mostly about Watergate. But she is still as Republican as she was in 1964 fighting to keep the Blacks as second class citizens.
I get why she wrote that book. It stings to have lost the election, and it probably stings even worse to have to endure so many people saying, post-election, that she was a terrible candidate. She would like to set the record straight and contest that claim. But I thought she was NOT a good candidate, and I really hope she will fade away quietly, now that she's had a final shot at shaping the historical narrative re: the election of 2016. Please, H. Clinton: the Clinton era is over. Let it be over.
itgetter9 it's certainly not over, this is the clintons, a political dynasty and her daughter is currently being groomed for I believe the senate? I would fact check that if you're curious I can't remember of it was the house or the senate.
Matthew: You are right that Chelsea is very clearly being groomed. I myself am DONE with the Clintons. And the DNC will never get a dime from me as long as they are pushing neoliberalism and the prison-industrial complex. #BrandNewCongress
Compa, I like how you put that. No, I don't think that's what she's doing. But I do think that that is what she *thinks* she's doing, and also what she is *attempting* to do, by shaping the narrative as she sees fit. She will not succeed, though, at this attempt.
mrfuzztone...you are correct. Just because he took a different tack than Dore after the primary doesn't make him a corporate democrat. His book (and the emails) is the #1 reason we are talking about the inner workings of the Democratic Party. He is a progressive. I'm already seeing what happened in the 60's. Leftist voices turning on each other over jealousy and relatively minor policy disagreements.
Yuip. Frank said again and again, Unions loved him. They would have elected Sanders if Hillary hadn't denied him he chance. Would have elected her if she'd chosen Sanders for VP.
I was fortunate enough to see Bernie Sanders in person recently. I was lucky enough to get an autographed book. He is amazing. A man of intelligence, bravery, integrity and compassion. Too bad some people don't recognize the greatness in this man.
So well spoken. I had never heard of this channel prior to this video, but I'm definitely subscribing now. Great video, love the long format, and it satisfies my intellectual curiosity by injecting a view sympathetic to both sides, entertaining/explaining their view, and criticizing that view in a fair, measured way.
she complains he impugned her character, but this is classic entitlement and arrogance - the absolute refusal to take responsibility for her own flaws. it has to be somebody else's fault. if she were to spill your beer at a bar, she'd blame it on the floor for being uneven. then, she wonders why she's so massively unpopular....
A lot of us are old enough to remember when Bill Clinton went to the right wing Cubans in Miami for some of his earliest campaign financing. At that very early date it was immediately clear what the Clintons were like and how they were prepared to exploit every nuance to further their political careers. That entailed selling out the American working class and actually all the American people. They reduced politics to well financed Kabuki theater. They really need to absent themselves from our politics completely. They've made a bundle. Why can't they settle for that. Why must they continue their rabid corruption.
This book will be remaindered for $5 just like her last book. Very limited appeal, just the political junkies of her half of the Democratic party. Nobody else cares what she has to say.
Hillary needs to let go & take a very long, hard look at herself. I was a Sanders supporter, but because I knew what Trump was, I put aside my extreme dislike for Hillary, recognized the danger of voting for a third-party in this particular election with NO GOOD CANDIDATES, & voted for Hillary. But there were Sanders supporters who knew far less about Trump than I did, & they gave their vote to him. Hillary won the popular vote. She won the election. But between gerrymandering, the spitting of the Democratic vote, & the laws undoing the purpose of the Electoral College, we all lost. Hillary has no buisness blaming Sanders for her not being president. If she had chosen him as her running mate, she would be in the Oval Office right now as the splitting of the vote would have overcome the Republican gerrymandering. Her mistake. One of many!
Cheetah Dolcini wrote: _"Hillary has no buisness blaming Sanders for her not being president. If she had chosen him as her running mate, she would be in the Oval Office right now as the splitting of the vote would have overcome the Republican gerrymandering. Her mistake. One of many!"_ Bernie has too much integrity to have accepted such an arrangement. In a Hillary Clinton administration, Bernie's agenda would have been buried under the weight of her corporatist policies. He's far more useful in the Senate, where he can promote legislation that actually helps the poor and middle class. Serving Hillary Clinton would have been a perpetual stain on Bernie's unblemished career as an advocate for regular Americans.
Bernie as Vice President would have put most of his energy into rebuilding the Democratic party, as he said he would as president. Not like Republicans were going to let either of them actually push thru legislation. But if Sanders could knuckle under and campaign for her like he promised, I suspect they could have found a division of labor that worked. But like Thomas Frank said, the strategy of the Clinton wing of the party is give them nothing except maybe symbolic things; so she never asked Bernie to be VP, she was too vindictive, vile, and self centered. She would have had to share the stage with Sanders on occasion, so she wanted a nothing man like Kane who would never take any of the attention from her.
Frank is wrong again. First he blames millennials for being the face of the Sanders movement then he says union people who voted Trump would have voted Bernie. Bernie's support was multicultural, multiracial, multi generational. In other words, he represents "the people" not Wall Street, not billionaires, not the governing elite. #DemExit.
46:40 It took over 20 years from when Tommy Douglas was elected Premier of Saskatchewan to when full Medicare was adopted throughout Canada. Such fundamental change can take a lot of time, with many incremental improvements along the way, and some setbacks too. (For Americans: Tommy Douglas, considered by many the Greatest Canadian, was Kiefer Sutherland's grandfather).
also: i pointed this out in my own space, but i think maybe everybody has forgotten that sanders did not enter the race to win the nomination and didn't even take himself seriously until it was far too late. so, you're pointing out that sanders was nicer than he should have been, and it might have cost him; but, cost him what? a seat at the table? because that's what he was angling for - leverage. and, he actually got about as much as he could have, in the form of an ability to help write the platform. sanders very openly ran for the sole purpose of influencing clinton's policy positions, that is to swing her to the left. it simply wouldn't have made sense to be vicious, given his intent was always for her to win and that what he wanted was for her to listen to him. in the end, nobody is arguing that clinton lost because she was too progressive. yes: there was massive voter suppression. but, you have to overcome that one way or another, if you want to win an election in the united states. the crucial demographic that she couldn't hold was white women, who she should have won handily - and likely would have had she seemed less cruel. so, when clinton stands up and criticizes sanders for trying to pull her left, she is missing the point, dead-on. that's the only thing he intended to do. and, had she listened, she might have won.
I agree, Sanders was in it to present ideas he believed in. Hillary was just so bad that eventually he realized he could win. Same for Trump, he really wasn't in it expecting to win, it was a publicity stunt, but Hillary was so bad that much to his surprise, he did win and is still trying to figure out what to do with that win.
Please don't sell Bernie short by suggesting that he only appealed to millennials. That's the establishment meme. He cut across all demographics -- race, age, and gender and party. Did either of you ever actually attend a Bernie rally?
Thomas Frank is afraid of saying that Election Fraud was committed in California, New York, Michigan, and elsewhere. He seems like he wants to appease the Bernie side more but doesn't want to throw Hillary (corporatists) wing under the bus either. He afterall voted for her.
Sounds like a good interview. A real shame that even with external speakers up full blast, I still can't hear it. Paul - Please up the volume on your videos!!
I read somewhere, possibly in one of Thomas' books, that following the Mondale loss to Reagan, the Democratic party leadership did an autopsy and decided that the defeat was due to the fact that the Republican candidate was better funded and that they were going to have to match them dollar for dollar going forward. The betrayal of their base was the trade-off necessary to attract the needed donors. The party leadership and the candidates lost nothing and gained power, beginning with Clinton. There were also dividends from lower cost products and services. I don't think they can fully find their way back. The working and middle class need a third party to wield their power. They have to stop giving away their votes in exchange for the symbolic gimmicks that both parties are offering. Republicans offer culture wars, and the Democrats offer identity politics and wokeness and the inequality worsens. We MUST drive a harder bargain. We have to force them to choose power or patronage.
I agree Sanders should have campaigned much more strongly in the South, but a lot of the name recognition issue could have been somewhat addressed with more debates (which we now know the DNC sabatoged)
Wow, when Frank says that all Dem primary contenders have an equal chance going into the fight......that made me puke. What total bullshit. It's always fixed for a chosen winner.
Yup, they're looking for a chosen one now. They've tried Corey Booker and Kamala Harris and both were shot down. 2020 could actually be fair, but not by choice.
But as Frank said, the Clinton way is to give them nothing, no power, maybe just some symbolic stuff like removing statues. I tend to think Hillary is just petty, vindictive, and loathe to share the spotlight with anybody.
Trying to remind myeslf that these advance excerpts are pro'ly not the main thrust of the book. But the parts that are attributed to her re: Sanders. Condescending. Childish. Angry. Pathetic. Like the man said and what I'm trying to wrap my head around, what does she possibly have to GAIN from this book.
Hitlery Clinton flip flopped again, Bernie Sellout Sanders was the only one she was not blaming for her losing the election! remember how Hitlery has one comment for one crowd and another one for another crowd? her book is like that too, she wanted to keep her security clearance for her book there is a public book and another book for sale with national secrets for top donors!
Gwaaahhh! This was Way Last Year! I missed this entire series, TheRealNews used to be on another Big Platform that was my Go-To for RealNews, where Larry King and Thom Hartman and Max Keiser , Stacey and Intelligent European dialogue, like we used to hear on International Short Waves! People, like myself...Hughhpf) listened to Short Wave Radios for years, I started 1956, was mentioned in Popular Electronics 1958 Issue as the Youngest Subscriber to write in, I was 8 Years old. I Listened to Paris, Germany, Sweden, Spain, All Nations had English Broadcasts, the Stupidity of Americans on what Other Highly Developed Nations HIGHER ON THE FOOD CHAIN than USA, we still act like we are behind a 'Faraday Shield" and no; BBC is NOT a Radio Station representation of European thinking....the British are held in contempt be the Educated Nations, France, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany-who Only wanted to Crush Joseph Stalin, and Sought Britain for Allies. The reason England went to war against Germany was Their Steel and Machined Tools, they were Beating British Manufacturing to death, plus All Corporate Fascist States, like the USA under Wall Street, Great Britain, etcHATE Communism, the Idea that the Workers should have a Share in what they Create? Bull Shit! Edison Stole Patients, General Electric Stole Patients, The inventor of the Television, his patents were stolen and he died in a Poor House, he invented Television on Green Street, here in San Francisco, only a few blocks from my Cardboard Box....Cheers ,
Not satisfied with Frank's explanation for his 'fair and square' remark, it's really a non answer that Paul should've pushed back on. If he wants to asert that she would've won anyways, fine, you're welcome to your opinion. But on what basis can he claim fairness at all?
Hmm ... interesting choices the Americans had: Trump's 1% or Hilary's 1%. I think that the future of the U.S. is for supporting more independent candidates. That's the only way to break down the $-based, entrenched party candidates. In my opinion, too many Americans vote ALWAYS Republican or Democrat.
Too many Americans habitually vote Republican or Democrat for any third party to ever win. The only path, as Frank said, is to take over the Democratic party bit by bit. Maybe when their corporatist slime ball loses in 2020 they will be ready to try Sanders-style populism. They fear losing those big corporate donations, but when they habitually lose and structurally can't win, the money will go away anyway.
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Well, the job of a good interviewer is to present the person being interviewed, not hog the microphone himself. If Thomas Frank has something to say, a good interviewer should let him speak.
I wish Hillary would move on to quietly enjoy retirement it is over.. Plz stop stirring shit up!! we the Democrats want Trump out And if voters want Bernie leave it alone and hush!!
Hillary is a centrist, almost veering to the neocon. She cheerfully, but privately, accepts that a successful politician must have "public" positions that appeal to rank and file voters, and "private" positions that reassure corporations. Sanders rightly called her out on this stuff Medicare for all is feasible, although it would require raising the Medicare payroll tax from 2.9% to, say, 8-10%. But the quality of health care would decline, and households making over 80K/year would continue paying for health insurance to stay off of waiting lists. If the Federal used its power of the purse to force down the prices Big Pharm would charge, I predict that 70 years of aggressive pharmaceutical innovation would come to an end. Zero tuition at state universities would require that state governments have total intrusive control over public uni budgets. In many states, the quality of public unis would decline. Finally, a great many families of students who attend public unis are upper middle class families that can afford the fees. Free tuition would be a major gift to such families. It would also damage the important and thriving private tertiary sector. I do not see any Democrat calling for comprehensive reform and simplification of the personal and corporate income taxes.
Some of that "aggressive pharmaceutical innovation" poisoned people with pills that were not better than the older medicine that became cheap generics; and it was also shocking that pills that were a buck a peice became 3 cents each when they went generic. So maybe 70 years of aggressive price gouging is all we'd lose. As others have said, over and over, everything Sanders proposed has been done in other countries, why do they get a pony and w don't?
I've read 'Listen Liberal' a couple of times (definitely worth reading). Frank is real good at collating facts but not so good at connecting the dots. Like where he said in this interview that the DNC cheated Sanders but Hillary won fair and square. He tries so hard to seem nonpartisan that he seems somewhat intellectually dishonest.
The one person Hillary Clinton hasn't blamed for her loss: Hillary Clinton.
I'm betting the closest thing to taking responsibility will be a passive voice "mistakes were made" sort of statement in the book.
She didn't even do *that*. Even Nixon admitted he screwed up.
Who's she is she an angent of Vladimir Putin :) ?
I'm so glad I did not vote for that woman.
I voted Jill Stein. I voted my conscience, instead of some Trump fear. The Clintons have grown rich pretending to care about us. The democratic party has become a sick corporate monster.
edy kubiak I admire your bravery, Yet at the Presidential Level it is the Conservative we can defeat with liberalism, versus a Conservative we cannot. If we could sway her like a Tea Partiest could sway Obama, we have a chance of controlling said conservative. The other candidate beholden to billionaires won't listen to us, no matter how loud we shout, he would squash us, because he is apart of the billionaire corporate class. He would squash us then dance to some faded false ideal of our vision, while he dances on our shackled corpses, while the bombs fall to destroy our nation.
The True America won't be until after our nation is a smoldering pile of ash.
In your shoes, I would rather vote Jill Stein for Representative and we as a collective citizenry deny her a majority over her congress just as you deny the other such luxury. By doing this, you force the leadership to compromise on agendas, You force established parties to form alliances with you. But you must operate as a collective body toward the head. It may be too late to do this though America may have to spend 100 years as the worlds second class citizen to the unified world. I prey that this fate either matches that of the French Revolution or like the Axis Powers, where the nation dies and the other nations treat us as to kill the American, save the person.
Third Parties can only work from the bottom up.
The USA needs desperately a Socialist Workers Party. The largest Working Class on the Planet is totally disenfranchised!
Accelerationist She would need a Green Party Congress for that.
Accelerationist The parties in congress would have treated a Stein Presidency just like they treated Obama, with resistance, and efforts to
impeach. She would need a majority or a large number of Greens in Congress.
She takes "full responsibility" for the loss but blames everyone else for it
I'm so stoked to see that this is only Part 2 out of 6 with Thomas Frank. I can't get enough of this guy.
I'd love to see Thomas Frank get a greater following and access to the "Mainstream", he is not just a great voice of Reason and truth, but has a great sense of humor to, we desperately need more voices like his coming to the fore.
"When you go to the Union Halls, you see that the rank and file LOVES Bernie Sanders". That sentence was worth the listen.
She lost because she was the worst possible candidate. End of.
Even a lousy candidate could win if they at least pick the right staff, but Hillary went with old Clinton family cronies who were too accustomed to bowing and scraping to her highness to tell her when she was wrong, or even bring her bad news like she was losing in he rust belt and needed to put more effort there. Sanders people tried to tell her, tried to help in Wisconsin, and were shut down by Hillary's minions who would not pass the information on to the inner circle. They "knew" they were winning and were not going to share or give on anything.
I hate how this guy keeps insisting Bernie over promised. Universal Healthcare is cheaper, it would be cheaper in the long run to give our citizens free education, the government would get back 7 dollars for every one dollar spent on education. It's cheaper to switch to green energy, Hemp is illegal for no reason you can't get high on it, Hemp can do everything lumber, oil and cotton can do with less land, time and no pollution. A Jobs program with a living wage would save the economy, poor people need things and they'll spend the money and keep it moving through the country.
Man, this woman is salty. Like, seriously, get over it.
Ghost Assassin Typical Republican. I wish she stayed there, She would be more comfortable among her own kind, the only reason she left was half about Vietnam, but mostly about Watergate. But she is still as Republican as she was in 1964 fighting to keep the Blacks as second class citizens.
MrKenichi22 She did stay there !
Stephen Moss Yes, I always considered her Republican, Helping to turn the Democratic Party to be more Conservative.
Stephen Moss Right on.
MrKenichi22 We had the same in the UK ! Tony Blair ! He got Thatcher wet !
I get why she wrote that book. It stings to have lost the election, and it probably stings even worse to have to endure so many people saying, post-election, that she was a terrible candidate. She would like to set the record straight and contest that claim. But I thought she was NOT a good candidate, and I really hope she will fade away quietly, now that she's had a final shot at shaping the historical narrative re: the election of 2016. Please, H. Clinton: the Clinton era is over. Let it be over.
Yes, please go away Hillary. Your attempt to rewrite history to brighten your image is not working.
itgetter9 it's certainly not over, this is the clintons, a political dynasty and her daughter is currently being groomed for I believe the senate? I would fact check that if you're curious I can't remember of it was the house or the senate.
Like the Marcos's in the Phillipines? The Psychotic killer Duerte is still chummy with that hideous class!
Matthew: You are right that Chelsea is very clearly being groomed. I myself am DONE with the Clintons. And the DNC will never get a dime from me as long as they are pushing neoliberalism and the prison-industrial complex. #BrandNewCongress
Compa, I like how you put that. No, I don't think that's what she's doing. But I do think that that is what she *thinks* she's doing, and also what she is *attempting* to do, by shaping the narrative as she sees fit. She will not succeed, though, at this attempt.
Thomas may be the only one excited to buy Clinton's book.
It will come in handy when the toilet paper runs out.
He was a Hillary supporter and gladly voted for Hillary - as he stated on the Jimmy Dore show
There is something to say for illiteracy when the likes of 'that woman' is allowed to publish her thoughts.
mrfuzztone...you are correct. Just because he took a different tack than Dore after the primary doesn't make him a corporate democrat. His book (and the emails) is the #1 reason we are talking about the inner workings of the Democratic Party. He is a progressive.
I'm already seeing what happened in the 60's. Leftist voices turning on each other over jealousy and relatively minor policy disagreements.
I wouldn't say "buy" lol
Bernie Sanders would have defeated Donald Trump.
Yuip. Frank said again and again, Unions loved him. They would have elected Sanders if Hillary hadn't denied him he chance. Would have elected her if she'd chosen Sanders for VP.
Just because I lie pathologically, why do you accuse me of lying pathologically?
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She wasn't for hire, just for sale.
I was fortunate enough to see Bernie Sanders in person recently. I was lucky enough to get an autographed book. He is amazing. A man of intelligence, bravery, integrity and compassion. Too bad some people don't recognize the greatness in this man.
Editor Paul Jay is one of the most outstanding newsmen in North America. This is a great series.
So well spoken. I had never heard of this channel prior to this video, but I'm definitely subscribing now. Great video, love the long format, and it satisfies my intellectual curiosity by injecting a view sympathetic to both sides, entertaining/explaining their view, and criticizing that view in a fair, measured way.
Hillary should write a book entitled "I'm sorry", published by the DNC itself.
Adri Fo the name of the book should be "Im a closet republican" or Why I hate FDR!
It would take no time at all, just a front and back cover like a greeting card
Paul Jay has a nice smile.
she complains he impugned her character, but this is classic entitlement and arrogance - the absolute refusal to take responsibility for her own flaws. it has to be somebody else's fault. if she were to spill your beer at a bar, she'd blame it on the floor for being uneven. then, she wonders why she's so massively unpopular....
A lot of us are old enough to remember when Bill Clinton went to the right wing Cubans in Miami for some of his earliest campaign financing. At that very early date it was immediately clear what the Clintons were like and how they were prepared to exploit every nuance to further their political careers. That entailed selling out the American working class and actually all the American people. They reduced politics to well financed Kabuki theater. They really need to absent themselves from our politics completely. They've made a bundle. Why can't they settle for that. Why must they continue their rabid corruption.
Hillary's writing fanfiction; she usually only shares it with the sycophants she surrounds herself with.
This book will be remaindered for $5 just like her last book. Very limited appeal, just the political junkies of her half of the Democratic party. Nobody else cares what she has to say.
Snake will be a snake even if it shreds its old skin for a new one ;)
Excellent segment! Thanks
Equating healthcare to a pony... smh.
Wonderful interview
Hillary needs to let go & take a very long, hard look at herself. I was a Sanders supporter, but because I knew what Trump was, I put aside my extreme dislike for Hillary, recognized the danger of voting for a third-party in this particular election with NO GOOD CANDIDATES, & voted for Hillary. But there were Sanders supporters who knew far less about Trump than I did, & they gave their vote to him. Hillary won the popular vote. She won the election. But between gerrymandering, the spitting of the Democratic vote, & the laws undoing the purpose of the Electoral College, we all lost. Hillary has no buisness blaming Sanders for her not being president. If she had chosen him as her running mate, she would be in the Oval Office right now as the splitting of the vote would have overcome the Republican gerrymandering. Her mistake. One of many!
Cheetah Dolcini wrote:
_"Hillary has no buisness blaming Sanders for her not being president. If she had chosen him as her running mate, she would be in the Oval Office right now as the splitting of the vote would have overcome the Republican gerrymandering. Her mistake. One of many!"_
Bernie has too much integrity to have accepted such an arrangement. In a Hillary Clinton administration, Bernie's agenda would have been buried under the weight of her corporatist policies. He's far more useful in the Senate, where he can promote legislation that actually helps the poor and middle class. Serving Hillary Clinton would have been a perpetual stain on Bernie's unblemished career as an advocate for regular Americans.
The laws undoing the purpose of the Electoral College? It worked the way it was supposed to.
Bernie as Vice President would have put most of his energy into rebuilding the Democratic party, as he said he would as president. Not like Republicans were going to let either of them actually push thru legislation. But if Sanders could knuckle under and campaign for her like he promised, I suspect they could have found a division of labor that worked. But like Thomas Frank said, the strategy of the Clinton wing of the party is give them nothing except maybe symbolic things; so she never asked Bernie to be VP, she was too vindictive, vile, and self centered. She would have had to share the stage with Sanders on occasion, so she wanted a nothing man like Kane who would never take any of the attention from her.
America does not have a pony, it has a dragon. It destroys the planet in wars and costs almost 700 billion a year, who is paying for it?!!!
Frank is wrong again. First he blames millennials for being the face of the Sanders movement then he says union people who voted Trump would have voted Bernie. Bernie's support was multicultural, multiracial, multi generational. In other words, he represents "the people" not Wall Street, not billionaires, not the governing elite. #DemExit.
props for having T Franks on.
Anybody that would buy a Hildabeast book is very sick.
The democratic advisers would rather loose to Republicans than have Bernie as president. With Republicans they still make 15% on tv adds.
I hate Trump with every fiber of my being, but if Hillary run in 2020 I will vote for Trump again.
46:40 It took over 20 years from when Tommy Douglas was elected Premier of Saskatchewan to when full Medicare was adopted throughout Canada. Such fundamental change can take a lot of time, with many incremental improvements along the way, and some setbacks too. (For Americans: Tommy Douglas, considered by many the Greatest Canadian, was Kiefer Sutherland's grandfather).
I've seen and heard quite enough from the Wellesley Whiner.
Hillary: "how DARE Bernie Sanders tell the truth about me?!"
also: i pointed this out in my own space, but i think maybe everybody has forgotten that sanders did not enter the race to win the nomination and didn't even take himself seriously until it was far too late. so, you're pointing out that sanders was nicer than he should have been, and it might have cost him; but, cost him what? a seat at the table? because that's what he was angling for - leverage. and, he actually got about as much as he could have, in the form of an ability to help write the platform. sanders very openly ran for the sole purpose of influencing clinton's policy positions, that is to swing her to the left. it simply wouldn't have made sense to be vicious, given his intent was always for her to win and that what he wanted was for her to listen to him.
in the end, nobody is arguing that clinton lost because she was too progressive. yes: there was massive voter suppression. but, you have to overcome that one way or another, if you want to win an election in the united states. the crucial demographic that she couldn't hold was white women, who she should have won handily - and likely would have had she seemed less cruel.
so, when clinton stands up and criticizes sanders for trying to pull her left, she is missing the point, dead-on. that's the only thing he intended to do. and, had she listened, she might have won.
I agree, Sanders was in it to present ideas he believed in. Hillary was just so bad that eventually he realized he could win. Same for Trump, he really wasn't in it expecting to win, it was a publicity stunt, but Hillary was so bad that much to his surprise, he did win and is still trying to figure out what to do with that win.
Please don't sell Bernie short by suggesting that he only appealed to millennials. That's the establishment meme. He cut across all demographics -- race, age, and gender and party. Did either of you ever actually attend a Bernie rally?
Why do you accuse me of doing what I do?
Why is Thomas Frank totally talking over the intervirwer at 26:47 when he tries to mention the actual EVIDENCE of ELECTION FRAUD in Michigan?
Exactly!! I caught that too!
Thomas Frank is afraid of saying that Election Fraud was committed in California, New York, Michigan, and elsewhere. He seems like he wants to appease the Bernie side more but doesn't want to throw Hillary (corporatists) wing under the bus either. He afterall voted for her.
@@simonw1313, Indeed.
Why have I never heard of this channel before???
He shouldn't be laughing he should be screaming.
Well, thank God, in this case, for the Electoral College, she lost and we wound up with the lesser of the 2 evils…
The fact that Thomas Frank is a former WSJ writer is exceedingly apparent in this interview.
Not to nitpick what is already done, but how can any candidate be considered legitimate or have won fair and square if the system is rigged?
In a perfect world Paul Jay would be the anchor for NBC Nightly News. Damn, he is good!
Sounds like a good interview. A real shame that even with external speakers up full blast, I still can't hear it. Paul - Please up the volume on your videos!!
Part 1 blasted out. Had to turn my speakers down. Part II is mostly inaudible.
OK. Here's a DUPLICATE VIDEO on the realnews youtube site with audio that you can actually hear: ua-cam.com/video/g5BrGFqDPUs/v-deo.html
'Tell your mama tell your pa I'm gonna sing you back to Arkansas!'
Bernie: We will pay for the ponies with a tax on Wall St speculation.
Hillary: Bernie does not have a way to pay for the ponies.
Every single pro HRC argument revolves around her entitlement to the presidency.
10:40 "Sillary" hahahahahahahahahaha
Plus, Bernie never "promised" anything, he always said that he couldn't do it alone & that he needed we the ppl to rise up & demand these things.
Where is Part 1 of the 6? Is there a way or place to display them together on this site?
Who ever helped Hilary with her book is out to destroy her instead.
I read somewhere, possibly in one of Thomas' books, that following the Mondale loss to Reagan, the Democratic party leadership did an autopsy and decided that the defeat was due to the fact that the Republican candidate was better funded and that they were going to have to match them dollar for dollar going forward. The betrayal of their base was the trade-off necessary to attract the needed donors. The party leadership and the candidates lost nothing and gained power, beginning with Clinton. There were also dividends from lower cost products and services. I don't think they can fully find their way back. The working and middle class need a third party to wield their power. They have to stop giving away their votes in exchange for the symbolic gimmicks that both parties are offering. Republicans offer culture wars, and the Democrats offer identity politics and wokeness and the inequality worsens. We MUST drive a harder bargain. We have to force them to choose power or patronage.
I agree Sanders should have campaigned much more strongly in the South, but a lot of the name recognition issue could have been somewhat addressed with more debates (which we now know the DNC sabatoged)
So, after all, Clinton doesn't even have the stones to write her criticism of Sanders as herself, she has to have someone send her one via Facebook?
I absolutely adore and worship, yes its totally embarrassing, the word of our peophet and patron saint Thomas Frank.
Well duh, for hire? Impugning her WHAT?
Thomas Frank is a Hillary supporters which makes his opinion RELEVANT!!!!
Mrs.NAFTA has an awful lot of nerve, hasn't she?
Wish this network was on satellite tv like Free Speech Tv
I'm willing to give odds she intends to run again.
Questions would be what about all the medias roll through out the campaign?
Why does Thomas Frank keep interrupting Paul Jay..........no manners.
Wow, when Frank says that all Dem primary contenders have an equal chance going into the fight......that made me puke. What total bullshit. It's always fixed for a chosen winner.
Yup, they're looking for a chosen one now. They've tried Corey Booker and Kamala Harris and both were shot down. 2020 could actually be fair, but not by choice.
Bernie + Tulsi 2020!!!
Hell, she could've made Warren her VP and won... ( and preserved the feminist vote )
But as Frank said, the Clinton way is to give them nothing, no power, maybe just some symbolic stuff like removing statues. I tend to think Hillary is just petty, vindictive, and loathe to share the spotlight with anybody.
Warren would be far better than Kaine.
But, Trump still wins.
my guess is she never wrote it. Shadow written while she sits in comfort in her royal palace. team written. Pure propaganda.
Yup. It would be fun to speculate who actually did write it. Podesta perhaps?
Trying to remind myeslf that these advance excerpts are pro'ly not the main thrust of the book. But the parts that are attributed to her re: Sanders. Condescending. Childish. Angry. Pathetic. Like the man said and what I'm trying to wrap my head around, what does she possibly have to GAIN from this book.
HAAAAAAAA!HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!! LMFAO!!!!!!!!! SHES JELLY!!!!!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
What!? Are you serious? at 46:00.... Huh? So what have you been faulting Clinton for?
Like two kids in the sand box. Both need to stop whining.
Hitlery Clinton flip flopped again, Bernie Sellout Sanders was the only one she was not blaming for her losing the election! remember how Hitlery has one comment for one crowd and another one for another crowd? her book is like that too, she wanted to keep her security clearance for her book there is a public book and another book for sale with national secrets for top donors!
Gwaaahhh! This was Way Last Year! I missed this entire series, TheRealNews used to be on another Big Platform that was my Go-To for RealNews, where Larry King and Thom Hartman and Max Keiser , Stacey and Intelligent European dialogue, like we used to hear on International Short Waves! People, like myself...Hughhpf) listened to Short Wave Radios for years, I started 1956, was mentioned in Popular Electronics 1958 Issue as the Youngest Subscriber to write in, I was 8 Years old. I Listened to Paris, Germany, Sweden, Spain, All Nations had English Broadcasts, the Stupidity of Americans on what Other Highly Developed Nations HIGHER ON THE FOOD CHAIN than USA, we still act like we are behind a 'Faraday Shield" and no; BBC is NOT a Radio Station representation of European thinking....the British are held in contempt be the Educated Nations, France, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany-who Only wanted to Crush Joseph Stalin, and Sought Britain for Allies. The reason England went to war against Germany was Their Steel and Machined Tools, they were Beating British Manufacturing to death, plus All Corporate Fascist States, like the USA under Wall Street, Great Britain, etcHATE Communism, the Idea that the Workers should have a Share in what they Create? Bull Shit! Edison Stole Patients, General Electric Stole Patients, The inventor of the Television, his patents were stolen and he died in a Poor House, he invented Television on Green Street, here in San Francisco, only a few blocks from my Cardboard Box....Cheers ,
Not satisfied with Frank's explanation for his 'fair and square' remark, it's really a non answer that Paul should've pushed back on. If he wants to asert that she would've won anyways, fine, you're welcome to your opinion. But on what basis can he claim fairness at all?
Hmm ... interesting choices the Americans had: Trump's 1% or Hilary's 1%. I think that the future of the U.S. is for supporting more independent candidates. That's the only way to break down the $-based, entrenched party candidates. In my opinion, too many Americans vote ALWAYS Republican or Democrat.
Too many Americans habitually vote Republican or Democrat for any third party to ever win. The only path, as Frank said, is to take over the Democratic party bit by bit. Maybe when their corporatist slime ball loses in 2020 they will be ready to try Sanders-style populism. They fear losing those big corporate donations, but when they habitually lose and structurally can't win, the money will go away anyway.
Bernie. Would. Have. Won.
this host is still strongly biased against sanders . The establishment is already attacking!!!!!!! Good for trump
Gracious and charming and wonderful??? That doesn't sound like her!
This guy's points are good enough but his interruptions and goofy laughter are really annoying.
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I love Thomas Frank but he is hard to interview: he always talks over the person he discusses with.
Well, the job of a good interviewer is to present the person being interviewed, not hog the microphone himself. If Thomas Frank has something to say, a good interviewer should let him speak.
Who is being interviewed?
Super delegates.
Why talk about two irrelevant people?
I hope Hilary stays -I hope Bernie goes it alone-Trump will win in Any scenario -he is the real deal
WHY? LIE$ !
this guy is painfull to listen to
Her name is longer than the title. that shows what??? go away please.
I wish Hillary would move on to quietly enjoy retirement it is over.. Plz stop stirring shit up!! we the Democrats want Trump out And if voters want Bernie leave it alone and hush!!
Thomas Frank should listen to himself more frankly. His desire for the right is transparent.
Hillary is a centrist, almost veering to the neocon. She cheerfully, but privately, accepts that a successful politician must have "public" positions that appeal to rank and file voters, and "private" positions that reassure corporations. Sanders rightly called her out on this stuff
Medicare for all is feasible, although it would require raising the Medicare payroll tax from 2.9% to, say, 8-10%. But the quality of health care would decline, and households making over 80K/year would continue paying for health insurance to stay off of waiting lists.
If the Federal used its power of the purse to force down the prices Big Pharm would charge,
I predict that 70 years of aggressive pharmaceutical innovation would come to an end.
Zero tuition at state universities would require that state governments have total intrusive control over public uni budgets. In many states, the quality of public unis would decline. Finally, a great many families of students who attend public unis are upper middle class families that can afford the fees. Free tuition would be a major gift to such families. It would also damage the important and thriving private tertiary sector.
I do not see any Democrat calling for comprehensive reform and simplification of the personal and corporate income taxes.
Some of that "aggressive pharmaceutical innovation" poisoned people with pills that were not better than the older medicine that became cheap generics; and it was also shocking that pills that were a buck a peice became 3 cents each when they went generic. So maybe 70 years of aggressive price gouging is all we'd lose.
As others have said, over and over, everything Sanders proposed has been done in other countries, why do they get a pony and w don't?
Book burning is generally bad but in this case...
I always enjoy Thomas Frank but please, stop the giggling and guffawing. Your seriousness and credibility takes a hit.
That's silly.
She put Bernie Sanders in his place!!
She put Donald Trump in his place, too.
Thomas Frank is rather arrogant. Too bad, because I agree with him.
I've read 'Listen Liberal' a couple of times (definitely worth reading). Frank is real good at collating facts but not so good at connecting the dots. Like where he said in this interview that the DNC cheated Sanders but Hillary won fair and square. He tries so hard to seem nonpartisan that he seems somewhat intellectually dishonest.