Real Snare Drum vs TRIGGERED
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2022
- Real snare srum sound vs Triggered snare drum sound
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I like how some drummers wanna argue and complain that triggers are cheating, yet music is not a competition.
And if triggers were cheating, everyone could be awesome drummers if they had triggers, like they would magically become super pros. If they can play they can play with or without triggers.
It's like people complaining about in ear monitors with click tracks and stuff, but forget that not only that's not cheating but actually makes harder for the whole band because if they're not seasoned professionals they'll strugle to play that tight.
It's not a competition......yet every extreme metal drummer is trying to play faster than the other guy.
@@slabbulkhead69 lmao if you’re in high school maybe. When you start talking to touring professional metal drummers, get back to me, because I assure you they can outplay you on any genre you choose.
@@BradsGonnaPlay wtf are you talking about. I didn't say I was faster than anyone. I don't even play drums. I'm pointing out the obvious fact that the whole reason extreme metal drummers try to play fast is to be faster than the other guy so they can get the gig with the band who wants to play at 260+ bpm. Doesn't take a lot of brain cells to figure that out.
@@slabbulkhead69 And you literally just said you’re not a drummer, yet you’re arguing with a touring-career metal drummer/engineer about what metal bands are looking for in drummers. I’m just telling you from my real-world experience that the point you’re making STILL doesn’t make music a competition.
There are drummers slower/faster than me that are all-around better drummers because speed is just 1 factor in making a good fast drummer. Speed is nothing without technique, power, accuracy, and education (not necessarily school or university, but understanding theory in regards to rhythm, structure, etc), so, again- maybe if you’re in high school, that’s how you think you get the gig. But from my experience, being a well-rounded musician is much more important even in extreme/speed/thrash metal.
I vote real. Those rim shots. Tasty.
Too dry
Yoo there’s another way to ask for a rimjob me boi
I prefer real too sm ab the effects doesn't agree with my ears. I mean it works but for like the dynamics of a song I think it gives the drummer more control of the volume if it just them. I mean like high to lows. idk if I make since or not I have a guitarist brain XD
@@jmike2039 But when you can get the accents right on them it actually makes them matter more than in the triggered way. I get triggered snares are better for louder music, but real ones have more versatility to them.
@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 yeah I'd agree the dynamics are much betterz especially with mixing and what not. But if I can turn that raw sound into a compromise of that more polished sound it would be butter
My snare got hella triggered from the sound of yours. Especially after that one-hander 😅
Someone needs to turn that into a gif saying triggered like ASAP
*cue rimshot*
Really wanted to hear the gravity blast without triggers :(
Real, hands down. Hits are unique and you can hear the sound and atmosphere of the drum.
Who
Real all the way, the amount of reverb on the trigger is good for live shows and certain album tracking needs, but the real/ non-triggered is better overall.
Is it not possible to hear triggered drums without the reverb?
@@tiagojordao4105 Yes, you just have to reduce/ remove or limit the reverb in the VST or whatever, or if it's live at the board.
@@DJTheMetalheadMercenary so why didn't we get a comparison of non-triggered VS triggered without the reverb? I mean, what's the difference between triggered as in this video VS non-triggered but with reverb added after the mic? If triggers are meant to boost the sensitivity of the drum skin, a fair comparison would have to leave room reverb out of it as much as possible.
@@tiagojordao4105 Ask Sam, I don't know why he chose to do it that way.
@@DJTheMetalheadMercenary ok, I get it, but, would you say this is a fair or even useful comparison between triggered and non-triggered drums? All I can hear is a lot of reverb and some compression, both of which could be added to a non-triggered drum set.
Love the raw sound of drums
/snare.
Real for real!
Nice! Yeah the real feels more ... real. Has more dynamics and feel.
Definitely prefer non-triggered. I appreciate that some people like the consistent sound of triggers, but I personally much prefer the organic, imperfect sound of the actual drum. But it's harder to tell when they're in with guitars and vocals, so it's not like a deal breaker or anything.
Real drums are great, but context is key. Honestly, after using triggers on my kick for live shows in larger venues, I’ll never want to use a close mic again. Snare and toms, of course I want the mic, but the clarity of triggered kick in an uncontrolled auditorium-like setting vs the wubbly sound of a close mic is incomparable.
@@BradsGonnaPlay Interesting.
A healthy combination of the two I find works the best in a mix
both sound nice, and both have their applications
Try a 50/50 trigger so 50% real drum 50% trigger and you mix it down. It sounds so good
Haha almost sounded like you were going into the solo from Wayne's world movie towards the end lmao so good 👍🏻......I like to play....lmao
Oh yeah
I appreciate how Samus will actually read, and like many of the comments on his vids!! Thx for that..
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St. Anger snare is more real than real snare, change my mind
Change your mind...? No way! You're the ONLY Person Ive ever heard of, that even listens to ANY Metallica since the Black album...and, cc since you mentioned Metallica and drums, since that Black album, it sounds like Lars' drum set has consisted of, very well mic-ed, phone books, and cardboard boxes...I rack my brain trying figure out how Lars achieves that drum sound,with no discernable frequency response whatsoever...maybe one day Lars will strive for something better than the most extreme mediocrity...however, I highly doubt it...
Holy fuck that gravity blast at the end
Triggers should have a bank of more than 1 sound per velocity. Even hitting at the same velocity, a snare should never sound identical every time. Sounds robotic.
There is a feature like that in some modules or when using VSTs.
That's called a round robin. Common in most sample libraries these days.
@@dandyman3971 yeah ive heard round Robbin and some serious rotations on digital drum heads and they sound amazing. not triggers or mesh trigger heads. like mesh digital heads.. the expensive ones. like for one snare you can get 4 acoustic sets
Most of them do. This one is exceptionally bad.
I love the real sound. But in recording environments, I tend to layer them both.
that gravity blast be insane
That sample sounds 🔥🤘💯
That gravity blast… You’ve been watching more Estepario 😎
Never knew Estepario invented gravity blast good to know 🤣
@@telensatsuki6817 Who said invented? El Estepario just perfected it.
@@hagenl.2975 Lol you’ve never heard a body farm by cattle decapitation I take it
That's just a one handed roll. When did people start calling it a gravity blast? Lol
Earned a subscribe. Great chops, too
Sweet gravity blast, man.
Nothing beats the sound of a real snare...
Real. Every time.
Real snares will always sound better than triggers imho.
that final was badass
Nothing is better than the Real sound.
You missed an opportunity to have the triggered snare sound like “reeee”
I swear that intro sounds just like the hurt that finds you first
It’s pretty cool being able to listen and see both triggered and not triggered like this, your can really tell the differences a lot more this way 🤘🤘🤘Samus with the W once again 😎
Man, it sounds badass 😎
rim shots on that classic snare are nasty. I love it.
They both sound great
Any blend recordings? I hear the pros mix them live.
That’s a great sounding kit either way
So fucking love my ddrum hybrid kit
As a producer, you can see the applications for both in different settings or genres. For example. New BMTH has a lot of electronic, overly compressed, dubstep and EDM inspired stuff going on, so I think with a vibe like that,the triggered might work to keep that particular energy in the song might help.
Hmmm, I would adjust the velocity remapping so that the lower ones are spiced up a bit. No?
And maybe the trigger sensitivity a bit lower.
So that there is a bit more headroom. And then do this comparison again...
I would be curious if the triggered snare is a bit more balanced.
I wish you had a mix of both cuz I bet that would sound best
What in the actual fuck that snare and every other tom, cymbal and kick you hit was absolutely beautiful sounding 🤩
If i got to play this id be in heaven bro! 😂😂
Gravity roll killed me 🤣🤣🤣
Real is so fucking good holy shit
That gravity roll is such a nice touch.
I think it's the guy playing. What a freaking beast!!!!! 😳
Mix em. Best of both worlds
🔥The raddest looking snare ever made🔥
Gravity blasts...in the end though..🔥 ...
God I’d play drums that crispy forever
whhhhaatt?? Damn dude those rolls in the end of the vid, absolute beast. Big respect from the U.K
This one hand roll is very awesome!!!Great performed
They both sound awesome. Just different! 🥁❤️
Ew that blast at the end, criminal!
Real all the way
That gravity blast.
I love two sounds
For two seconds i heard
The Hurt That Finds You First by Meshuggah 🥁🙌
Giving away the secrets to metal drum cheat codes i see..
That one handed sounds like a machine gun
That raw snare would be fantastic to work with tho. You could easily get that thing soundin just as beefy as the sample.
I didn’t know we were voting. They both have their applications. Obviously the real thing sounds like the real thing, but triggers are fun as hell when you wanna get weird with effects
My dad will learn me how to do the multi bounce roll
i like the dynamics of the real one.
You should do one of those vids where you see if people can tell the difference then reveal at the end of the video.
I love the triggered sound
The Hurt That Finds You First start playing in anyone else's head after that first roll?
Great playing bro!
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I like both; they have their time and place is all i say
Real by far. Yet triggered is bad ass too. I started playing drums at age 8 in 1975, and to this day all of the kits I’ve had have never been triggered. Acoustic all the way. It’s in the tuning
Way more dynamics on the real one, it wins hands down!
One sounds like a snare drum the other sounds like gun shots
Busting out one hand rolls yeeeeaH booooooi ...I love those.
Idk I’m not someone who plays any instrument or knows any thing about music, but the triggered just sounds better to me
Where's my snare? Oh there it is.
Got a little Spin Doctor roll near the end.
That’s hard doctor ❤
I see/hear the difference and prefer real. Those are some pretty shells you got there as well ❤
They both are great
Real or triggered let’s give this man some props for his chops! I personally like the sound of the real snare, reminds me of Steve Gadd. I see comments about death and speed metal and it’s not that those drummers aren’t well conditioned to play triggered kits for 90 minute sets every night on tour. The thing is, those guys end up with arthritis and spine issues because they focus on speed and not other dimensions. Go check out Carter Beauford Tripping Billies from Under The Table and Dreaming. Check out the Zildian Factory Tour by Senri Kawaguchi. Check out anything by Aquiles Priester or Mike Portnoy. Those are all dynamic drummers but the reason there aren’t Rolling Stone cover bands is because it’s hard to play a shuffle beat for 3 minutes without speeding up or slowing down, but Charlie Watts, RIP, did that for full concerts for decades!
Real ,every time.
@66Samus -
[TL;DR]: I'd love to see your take on recording an acoustic snare sound to load into an e-kit.
[Details]: On my acoustic kit I use my Tama Charlie Benante 14x6.5 Signature Snare. I love the sound of it, and it has a great crack to it. Unfortunately, it is far too much for some of the smaller rooms I've been playing lately. No matter how I adjust muffling and the dynamics of my playing, this beast cuts thru loudly.
So in smaller, private rooms I've started taking my Roland TD27KV to make sure I can mix drums in at an appropriate level. I've found a pre-loaded brass snare sound that is pretty good in the TD27 module, but it still isn't ideal. (In this video, I especially note not hearing the snare side buzz on the triggered snare.) I'm thinking I want to try recording my signature snare with two mics (top and bottom) using my Midas MR18 mixer and Cakewalk DAW software. I'd go no EQ on the input, and then use minimal subtractive EQ in post to reduce overtones, and keep plenty of attack. Then mix the two channels to have an appropriate amount of snare buzz in relation to the attack.
So I'm curious if you could explore how well one could recreate their acoustic snare sound using an e-kit or trigger setup?
Basically,
Triggered: Play smart
Real: WORK HARDER!!
tbh in a mix it'd be harder to pick. it certainly helps that the sample you're playing is fucking stellar, if the mic'd snare sounded a bit more like the sample it'd win easily
personally, love the sound of the real snare for the kit on it's own, but for recording/tracking or just playing with others (in-person or tracks), I think the triggered one would be my go-to
Real hands down
This snare is amazing lol
I like to think of triggers as the drum equivalent to guitar amp modelers (Kemper, Helix, AxeFX, etc). They're incredibly versatile, the technology has rapidly improved, and they can save your ass when you show up to a venue with not-so-great acoustics. But at the end of the day, a miked drum kit, just like a tube amp, will always be "better" (assuming the room sounds good, and you have the skills and patience to set everything up and dial everything in).
Natural and raw for real!!!
im all for the real snare
Super clean drum rolls and handicraft! Always inspiring to see 🤘🔥🤘
You're a beast
they’re both dope lol
The difference is clear when you notice the reverb on the triggered snare isn't on the toms as well.
The pitch is a little different as well.
Gravity blast, yay! I get happy when I see happy lilttle gravity blasts in their natural habitats.
yes! rim blast at the end - lovely
I'mma be honest the triggered one sounded better to my ears LOL
Real is 100% me. Snare is how
I started in middle school and thankfully I had a fantastic music teacher.
This would have been a much better comparison if the triggered snare sound chosen had been closer to the real snare. I know that on all the e-kits I've ever used, you can customize a.snare (material, size, depth, head, tuning, tape, etc) to make it sound pretty much exactly how you want. If the two snares were more or less the same, that would much better showcase the effects of dynamics etc.
I've heard a lot of hate for the triggered snare on Images and Words, never really noticed it until hearing this comparison to a regular snare and I'm afraid I'll never be able to unhear it.
Both are good! You sound great on the real snare as well as triggered